Hank Hanegraaff is a member of the synagogue of satan... These PHILOsophized "ministers of righteousness" are ALL in with the devil. Jesus Christ was NOT a "scholar" in FACT neither were His disciples. But these "theologians" attend "SEMENaries" to learn the "ways" of "man" and they will trip everyone up with their BULLSHIT LIES and "talk" much like Ron Paul, the freemason does. Talk, talk, talk.. All anyone need do is BELIEVE in Jesus Christ, that's IT. GOSPEL. How hard is that? Lol!
Who are the translators "authors" of your suggestion "Young's Literal Translation YLT" and what Greek, Hebrew, MSS did they use? If they used the same MSS as the AVKJV; were did the AVKJV translators indicate that the AVKJV is not accurate Holy Scriptures or that is was translated for a king or politics? This is what I am looking for: answers!!!
Why didn't Hank mention the Muratorian canon? That's the oldest NT canonical list that we know of. It's probably from the late 2nd century. It has 22 of the 27 books in the NT.
What Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS are superior than the Original Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS that the KJV translators use? Moreover, could you name a translator that is more superior in the languages than the translators of the KJV 1611 MSS? TKS: Pastor David Skakun
@cmccaable I'm not sure what you're asking here but if you're looking for a modern alternative to the 1611 KJV I would suggest the Young's Literal Translation. The translator used the same manuscripts as the KJV, but he believed the Bible should be translated accurately, where as the KJ translators were trying to create a translation which would be acceptable to the king and the politics of the day. I'm ok with using the KJV, but I usually double check the Young's on important matters.
The Bible is no more than a confusing mis-mesh of ideas, views and creations of men, who tried to depict what/who God is. Their efforts was/is a colossal failure on many acconts. That we have thousands of denominations, sects, etc clearly points to this fact. No two unbiased people can read the Bible and come away with the same conclusion. To suggest that any (just?) God would hold any soul accountable for such a confused mixture of snake oil is pure adulterated rubbish.
Hank Hanegraff is a fake. I saw him at a leadership conference in Orlando, and after the show he was signing his own book (how Jesus like). And he refused to answer my friend's question about how to prove the Bible's accuracy to someone who didn't believe the Bible was God's word. He completely evaded the question and simply emphasized that it "was holy."
@bucklee34 oh and another thing their smart guy I would learn how to spell before you go ranting. All you have is misconceptions and false accusations about the nature of religion and more so about Christianity...I am sorry that you have so much hate in you and that you cannot see truth staring you in the face.
That's quite possibly the most benighted and simplistic explanation I've ever heard about the process of cannonization of the Bible. And to think this guy has his own radio show!
@bucklee34 "the fool says in his heart there is no GOD" just thougy I would give you a little insight in what god says about people who don't beloved in god. Also you are forgetting what david brainerd who was missionary in the 1800s did. He brought the gospel to alot of Indians, who got saved..
I think these apologetics are hilarious. fact of the matter is the bible is not divine. if it were a divine book written by god, word you should live and base your life on it would be perfect....and it is not. yet the bible says it is the perfect word of god.......it contains errors and horrible things. i have yet to meet a single person who would follow through with every commandment "god" gave in the bible. it was written by men assembled by men and edited.....by MEN.
@live4pce Ok so what is your justification for saying the bible has errors in it. Define error, and more so who are you to critique the bible? Read 2 Timothy 3:16.
@bucklee34 Im Catholic, and I have a question for you. How do you explain the cactus cloth of Our Lady of Gudalaupe? What about the Mirecule of the sun in 1917 in Fatima Portagual? God loves us and wants us to spend eternity with Him. Do some research on the Blessed Virgin and her apperaring all over the world to prove the Catholic Faith right.
@bucklee34 "i believe my hammer can drive a nail into wood. and it does."
You "believe" it because you've seen it being used and been taught to use it. You can hold your hammer... test it by giving it a couple test swings. Once satisfied, you can use it to solve problems. You don't "believe" in your hammer because it exists only in a story... you "believe" your hammer can work because you've been taught to use it. Same for evolution. Do you "believe" in magic wands? If not, why?
It is important to understand that their is a BIG, BIG difference between science and religious belief systems. Science is a tool used to solve problems. Religious belief systems are things you believe in. You don't believe in science. Instead, you use it to solve problems just like your hammer. You don't believe in your hammer, you use it to solve problems. Science and religious belief systems are completely unrelated and unfit for comparison.
How can we trust the men that put the bible together? The process by which books were selected seems to be that they were trying to make a certain abstract story. How do we know that those mean put the bible together to meet their needs or the ones of their powerful and wealthy masters? I'm sorry but I just don't trust man. In my opinion, if it is God's word, man would not have had a part in creating it.
@TheUltraHorror559 We wrote the Bible in the 4th centuery, no matter what protestants want to believe, its because of us why there is a Bible. Im glad to be part of the one True Faith also.
@YeshuaisYahweh1 I would have to argue that it is "because of GOD" we have the bible and to some degree, it is in spite of Israel that we have the bible. If you do your homework you will find that Israel consistently killed and stoned the prophets that were sent to them. Very rarely did Israel embrace God or His word. The story of Israel and the Jews is a story of consistent rebellion towards God. At best God worked "through" Israel. That is what you are part of !
@YeshuaisYahweh1 Dont get me wrong....the story of Israel is an amazing one and the Jews are an amazing people. I just know it is to the credit of God and Gods enduring love and mercy.....not the accomplishment of fallen man.
Todd, you can't defeat the works of the Holy Spirit, and you can't put God in a box. It is impossible. Your Father, the father of all the liars, -- Devil is evil not by condition but by choice. There is no salvation outside the church that which Jesus is building on.
Todd, you can make a good team of all the liars, with Mr. Hank, Dr. E. Luster and etc., but you can't prevail against The Holy Catholic Church, because Jesus said so. You have to understand that it is not the St. Peter who is building the Church of God, but it is He, Jesus is the main builder. So you actually in war against Jesus and his Mother. Your wisdom is a foolishness to Jesus.
In the 1500's William Tyndale sought to translate the Bible into the language of the common people, English. He could not gain approval from the Catholic. He was eventually executed in 1536. It is because of people like these men, Tyndale and Wycliffe, that we have the scriptures today. If the Catholic religion had its way, we'd still be in ignorance about the Bible and enslaved to the pope.
Wow, interesting that it's so obvious and clear to Hank Hanegraaf 2000 years after the Bible was written which books belong, yet was debated vigorously by hundreds of Church Fathers in the generations after Christ. Consider books like the Shepherd of Hermas, Hebrews, Revelation, Epistle of Barnabas, etc. Some were accepted, others rejected.
His assertion is absurd. Watch the video I created which explains this issue: watch?v=6A668Xfv2EA
Hank is full of it. It took several hundred years of squabbling for the Christian Canon to be nailed together. The result; a mishmash of contradictory stories, letters, forgeries of letters, and apocalyptic rantings, which are proudly proclaimed as "Canon". It would be laughable if it was not for the fact that millions of people had to die in religious wars dictated by that same "inspired" Canon.
Your statement is flawed as well as historically incorrect. Most people killed in religious wars have been Christians and Jews. In fact, just look at what is happening today in many parts of Africa, India and Indonesia. People who have converted to Christianity are harassed, abused and even killed. This has been the case throughout history. And it's not laughable.
@christimacc Your half right and a poor student of religious history. I meant Christians killing each other or Jews. Mostly Protestant vs Catholics. The French religious wars, the 30 year war. A bloodbath in the name if fighting heresies. The Jews were always a favorite target, but it culminated in the Nazi holocaust inspired by the antisemitism of German Christianity. You have a lot of gall in playing the "poor Christian victim" card.
The Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminati-NAZIS-CFR (Jews who are Luciferian) run the world. they have all the judges, attorneys, doctors, major corporations, etc. in their back pocket. bought & paid 4. our country is no longer free -we live in tyranny! truth an obscure thing, Oppression & lie is the norm. Were all slaves- our masters, the elite, r at least 50 years ahead of us in knowledge, technology, info., secrets & r using all of it against us!
This guy is delusional. The bible is not clear nor is it consistent at all. Everything from the four completely different accounts of the Resurrection of Jesus to the different ways that Judas dies. How does fallible man decide what is and what is not inspired by god. And if a person were to say that those people who Canonized the bible were inspired by god, how could someone ever prove that. Maybe the catholic church got the right canon, and the Protestants did not.
@christimacc "Bible is not only clear, it's consistent". Again your are half right. The Bible is consistently rambling and incomprehensible. If this is the best sample of God's communication skills you have huge problems. Most |Christians never actually read the Bible, never mind understanding it. The Emperor has no clothes but no one want to admit it.
Well...here's somthing you & others can go on & read. bUT ...i'LL tell you what it said then google it. or go to "Blue letter Bible" it say in 2Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no PROPHET'S OF SCRIPTURE came about by the prophet's own interpretation. Amen! Also it gose on to say in 2Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the "HOLY SPIRIT. aMEN!
You're really a bit of a bonehead. The canon was determined by the Holy Spirit and the Catholic Church. The New Testament was written by Catholic men. You would not even have a Bible if it were not for God's Catholic Church.
If you actually knew Scriptures authentically, you would know that Christ gave authority to His Apostles... His Apostles passed on that authority... you have none of that authority.... you have zero authority from God to teach on faith and morals.
@BelieveandtrustJesus they shall come in the name of Jesus but not known by Jesus. What is heretical in this video? I think you work for the enemy....believeandtrust!
I get your points, trust me, but "catholic" means universal. Most Evangelicals believe that the church was on the right path until it started introducing all kinds of paganisms. We'd even accept the Catholic Church today if they got rid of all those things (they wouldn't). The problem is, when does it exactly begin to be a totally deviated organization? (like it is today). Even if there is a valid legacy from Rome, what's the example they've given us in the last few years? especially pedophilia!
You're not a formal member of God's Church, so you have no idea what the Church even is. The Bible did not come before the Church. The Bible doesn't contain all revelation (it even tells you that). The Church made the Bible. The Bible is only part of God's Church, along with Magisterium and Godly Tradition. The truth is "Scripture Alone" is a man made tradition, not God's Tradition.
You would accept the Catholic Church today if you accepted all of Christ's teachings.
@mdkpubs Will we trust the writers of the Bible as God-Sent? If we are, then we believe that God Himself has spoken, if we don't, then nothing really matters&we can believe anything we want. The problem with the Catholic church is that the pope has the last say in their beliefs, so really he can change anything he wants. Yes, I know what the Church is, it's not the Catholic church. Their beliefs contradict Scripture in many essential issues: "God is a jealous God" is an example (idolatry).
If you trust the writers of Gospel of Jesus Christ, then you trust the Catholic Church. All authors of NT Scripture were and are Catholic men. This is the one true Church of Christ.
No Catholic doctrine contradicts Scripture, because the NT was the written Catholic Tradition. It can't contradict, or else you don't believe Christ.
You say it contradicts because you interpret differently. However, where is your authority to teach? You have ZERO authority.
@mdkpubs My authority is Scripture itself, the OT does not stand alone neither does the NT. If God says "you shall make no IMAGE of anything that is in Heaven...Earth or under the earth" that's enough to say the Catholic church has failed. Peter wasn't a Roman catholic, nor the apostles. Let's face it, the Catholic Church has committed atrocities, (the execution of Galileo, even the Holocaust) and it continues to be abusive with hideous violations. That's NOT the Church Christ established.
Your authority is NOT Scripture itself. Your authority is your own private interpretation of Scripture itself, your own privately found or held beliefs.
If God forbade making images, then why did He command making of "graven images"? God commanded cherubim on the OT Ark of the Covenant. He commanded Moses to make a serpent and put it on a staff. There were images of angels in the Temple in Jerusalem. In truth, God forbade worshiping these graven images as false gods.
So, when was Galileo executed? Galileo died a peaceful natural death. He was excommunicated because He challenged the Church teaching, setting himself up as an interpreter of Scriptures. This is why he got into trouble. Galileo was using the science of another, which was being developed, and studied by Catholic men.
The Catholic Church has not failed. Jesus said it could never fail. Never is a long time... to the end of time.
The failure is your failure to know what the Church teaches, that is to know what God teaches. God never taught it was wrong to simply make a "graven image". God commanded that "graven images" be made, and had them in His Temple in Jerusalem. God commanded that we may not worship these as false gods. The Catholic Church is exactly correct in teaching this.
Pope Pius XII saved more Jewish lives than anyone who directly tried to help the Jews. It's estimated that he saved between 700,000 to 860,000 Jewish lives.
Those who hate the Catholic Church have since his death spread falsehoods, which you readily believe instead of the truth. A thorough examination of all the facts vindicated Pius XII as a very good man and fried of the Jews. In fact, the Nazi's referred to Pius XII as their enemy and as a "full Jew."
Jesus told us the Church He would build would have wolves inside. So, your claim to the contrary is false. Christ knew what He was talking about. You seem to think you know better than Christ, but you're just a prideful and arrogant person who lacks proper background and truth.
@mdkpubs I don't need a leader to give me authority, especially a "character" that doesn't have the character to change the prohibition of marriage (within their government) or to tell his followers that Christ "not Mary" is the only way to salvation. What ever happened to "I am the way the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father but by me".?
@mdkpubs Every holy person can teach you something good but there is no communication w them once they've departed from the body. The images and sculptures in the OT were not supposed to be worshiped (not even the Ark). I don't lie, even non Catholics know priests are not allow to marry and remain in the ministry. Carol Voitila himself admitted the church was involved in the holocaust and apologized. I have no need to make up stuff, everything comes to light by itself.
I can learn something from holy people, but not people who lie about God's revelation, as you do.
So, you agree now with the Catholic teaching of God's revelation, that graven images can be made, as long as they're not worshiped? Perhaps you're finally learning.
You do lie about the priesthood, by lumping in a prohibition of marriage as the way to Heaven. This is a false statement you have written.
If the person desires to be married to a woman, then they do not enter the priesthood. If the person chooses the priesthood, then the vow includes celibacy and poverty, just as Jesus did while on earth.
Jesus was celibate. There is nothing wrong with celibacy, else Jesus would have married a female human. Instead He married His Church.
Pope John Paul II was relying on men understanding what he said, and being honest in presenting it. Men in the Church have made all kinds of sins. This has been true from the start. That's why there is forgiveness and reconciliation with Christ, as Christ established. No man's sin has any effect on the validity of Church teachings nor on the Sacraments.
You create your own fictions, even without trying. Learning the truth takes effort and discipline. You lack both effort and discipline.
What will come to light is that your fictions are just that, made up and not taught by God. It's very clear that the Scriptures teach the opposite of many of your claims.
Jesus said the saints are living and not dead. Revelation shows the saints carrying our prayer petitions to God as incense. So, the saints are aware of our prayer requests. You can discuss with one who is alive in Heaven. It's only right to worship God alone, but you can pray to others that they pray for you. Prayer is communication. All prayer is not worship. Only the uneducated believe all prayer is worship.
@mdkpubs History doesn't lie, I would give credit to a religion that even though tey're wrong, would admit wrong doings. Just by saying that my claims are not legitimate you prove nothing, the world knows the Catholic is going through a shameful stage, just watch the news.
History doesn't lie. but you have lied about history.
You're an idiot in regard to God's teachings. Every single person in the Catholic Church sins, some greater than others. For that matter, every single person outside of God's Catholic Church sins, some greater than others. So, to say you can deny God's Church because men inside sin is to never know God's Church. It is to not know God, who came to wipe away our sins when we fall.
The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the way to salvation, not Mary. Mary points the way to Christ. This is what we're all supposed to do isn't it... point the way to Christ for others, and pray for them? I don't see the problem here. You've got a problem strictly because you believe the falsehoods by anti-Catholics, and don't investigate to find the truth before you ignorantly post.
Catholic does mean universal. This word "Catholic" was applied by the year 105 only to one Church built by Christ, the Church that existed at that time. It applied then and now to the Church of the Apostles, with valid Bishops who received ordination tracing back to the Apostles, and with the valid head Apostle (Bishop) office.
1500 years later, men protested and revolted against and left this one Catholic Church, and built ecclesial communities that teach their own doctrines.
There is valid legacy of the RCC, as this is the one and only Church established by Christ. No ecclesial community built by men has this authority or legacy.
It matters because only the RCC has the fullness of revealed truth, and full seven Sacraments. Ecclesial communities built by men have neither the full truth, nor the valid seven Sacraments.
It's up to us to behave properly and follow God and some do. Some don't and give poor example. It's our own free will.
Evangelicals are wrong. The Church never has introduced paganism. Evangelicals wouldn't know anyway, as they didn't exist until recently in time. The early Church was Catholic. God's Church still is Catholic and has the Prime Minister of God's Kingdom. Evangelicals base their faith only on their own (often false and incomplete) interpretations of God's written word only. God said to listen to both Oral Tradition and Written Tradition.
Pedophelia is wrong. However, it's uncharitable only to discuss it as it occurs by men inside the Catholic Church. The instances of problematic sexual deviance is higher in the Protestant ecclesial communities, and 10x higher in public schools.
That tells me of the three, the safest place for a child would be in the Catholic Church and Catholic Schools.
God said His one Church could never fall into error. So, the Church that existed at Pentecost can never fall into error. This is why Evangelicals don't really trust Jesus.
@nimpo46 A guy who would rather eat a ball of steel wool rather than simply admit the truth that the Catholic Church, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, determined the canon of scripture. If the Holy Spirit indeed assisted the church, than this canon, this Bible, must be infallible. If it did not, then the Bible is fallible, with grave consequences for Christianity. He knows this, of course, but doesn't want to say as much the truth is anathema to these sort of people.
@NYCZ31 The Catholic Church??? LOL!!! Good one!!! The extra books they have don't measure up to be Canonical. Plus, until what point in time does the Catholic Church become the "Roman Catholic Church?" Before the prostitution of the church, it was the Christian Church, it is until it marries the government when the harlotries start. A faithful Church would never kill or abuse others, nor worship images, etc. I'm not trying to be mean, it's reality. Are there corrupt Evangelicals, yes.
@gospelnews123 They didn't measure up to be Canonical? And who told you that? Martin Luther? he also wanted to get rid of James and Revelation. The RC Church GAVE you the Bible. That book in your hands called "The Bible" is a Catholic document. Only the RC Church can even begin to claim to know what the Bible should contain.
@NYCZ31Yeah, that's because U still think that the Catholic Church has existed from the moment Jesus said that He would edify His Church. But the Catholic Church was NOT, until (as I've said before) it married the gov., then they implemented all those additional rules of non-marriage for priests, infant baptisms & what not. I'm not saying that they don't have truths, I'm saying, they don't own the "Church Monopoly". The canon is determined by all the writings that are in agreement to each other.
@gospelnews123 The church was first called "catholic" in the early second century. There were bishops. There were priests. There was a pope. There was mass with the breaking of the bread. All much before 313AD. In the Council of Carthage of 397 AD the Church declared what the canon was, and the entire church accepted it. Bingo, the Bible is born. Before that there were lots of different canons.
You're wrong about this too. The Catholic Church was born at Calvary, when water and blood issued forth from the side of the New Adam, as He slept the sleep of death on the cross. The Bride of the New Adam was born from His side.
The Catholic Church got her "legs" at Pentecost. What Bible was used on Pentecost? NONE. Jesus built His ONE Church, and His ONE Church authored the New Testament and assembled the full 73 book Bible, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit says the 73 books of the authentic Bible are canonical.
What's your authority for saying otherwise?
It boils down to authority. The Catholic Church was built by Christ and given authority to teach matters of faith and morals, would be led to all truth, and would last until the end of time.
Do you have that same authority? I've never read in the Scriptures that authority would be transferred to a lay person 2,000 years after Christ.
read on the internet the 2001 LA Times featured article "doubting the story of the exodus" in which famous scholarly jews such as rabbi David Wolpe and professor Ze'ev Herzog discussed how the "exodus" was only a jewish narrative and not a real historical event. The "exodus" hoax was jewish strategy intended to steal Egyptian land with the eventual land claim that jewish ancestors had been enslaved inside Egypt for 500 years. If the "exodus" claims are false then judaism doesn't even exist.
Is that aptitude or attitude? Nobody alive today was there so that claim in itself cannot be proven. Context is king. Given the unique of the Jewish people, their nation, and their continued and unjust persecution, you must assume that the story is true. In fact, I surmise that the historical hatred of the Jewish people is so irrational that it must be a spiritual issue. Yes, I do mean that it is an attitude that is influenced from beyond our physical domain.
Yep, Hank couldn't answer the question. Where is the evidence God put together or "determined" the canon? Lot's of talking, but he never addresses the main question.
How I think the bible was put together ? For many years even centuries, those stories were past orally from one generation to another. Then one day some one started to write them down, and more and more started writing, until finally somebody was smart enough to make some kind of compilation.
In Matthew 16, our Lord Jesus gives us a Church, not a Bible. Since the Reformation, we've had thousands and thousands of divisions and denominations. This isn't the unity we share in Christ. At least let there be "unity in the essentials, liberty in the non-essentials and charity in all." - another Augustine quote.
The "Bible" is ultimately a Catholic book. In other words, I think history is clear that God used the Catholic church to canonize Sacred Scripture. The "early Church fathers" he mentions were all Catholic, which simply means universal Christians (literally, a part of the whole). St. Augustine said something to the degree of, "How can I believe the Scriptures unless I first trust the authority of the Church that gave the Scriptures to me."
So when are you planning on answering the question?" Discovered by man, determined by God" ok so where in scripture does the Lord determine scripture? Where in scripture does it state the books that should be in it?come on give me a break.protestant brothers and sisters pls stop denying the truth.listen to that man and please tell me if he ever answers the question.HE DOES NOT!At some point we have to recognize that this is a bunch of crap by these thiefs who ask for our money in the name of God
how can you say God created your religious cannon when you can not confirm if that is the case? Man these people are full of shit......an invisible God that can't be heard, touched or seen apparenlty formed their cannon and they all of a sudden "discovered" it....the saddest part is that there are really stupid people out there that eat up the garbage that these people put out
still this does not answer the question. stop beating about the bush and tell us. you lot are the very reason why there is so much confusion in the christian church. history provides us with cast iron evidence of how the bible came to be and yet you vehemently deny it. how do you expect others to convert to Christ when infact you reject the means by which this trueth has been manifest to us. protestants have done more damage than good . One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church ,everyone God bless
The speaker makes bokd assertions with no backing evidence and is clearly trying to undermine the Catholic Church's role in establishing the canon. I am not convinced at all.
This guy is a joke. There were several different gospels that were rejected as non cannonical for no other reason than that the proto-orthordox christians did not agree with the theology of them. There were no "rules" that went into selecting the cannonical gospels. So this guy is a liar. The four gospels were accepted by the majority of christians based not on divine intervention, but on force of will of the orthodox christians.
So you presume that God did not guide these Church Fathers in recognizing Truth? You presume that the Apostles never handed down tradition on testing scripture? Do you believe that these guys were just a bunch of arrogated yokels conniving a colossal lie? Is God so feeble and useless as to pay the price for Sin and then be foiled in presented an accurate picture of that History to the world?
You show me one scintilla of evidence of divine guidence in the compilation of the connonical gospels. I can show you roughly 5700 early texts of the scriptures that were changed and/or forged from which all the current forms of the New Testament were based.
Evidence? Look, Irish, you defame someone's character based on what? Your well-read point of view? Let the living God demonstrate Himself to you. I have no part in it other than the message. As for your assertion, PLEASE, SHOW ME! I want to see all 5700!! In fact, you may enlighten the whole Archaeological world!
I am not defaming him -- I am pointing out that he is knowingly stating something false. If he did all the research he claims to have done, he would know that the Cannon specifically excluded many supposedly divine gospels such as that of theEbionites and Marcians simply because Jesus was not depicted in them in a manner that was consistent with the Theologies being forced on early Christians by men such as Eucibius and Tertollian. Where did they derive their divine inspiration?
No, what you are implying is that Christianity is just another manmade religion without supernatural source. So when you say "this guy is a joke" you present a colossal irony.
Actually, recognising that most questions aren't black and white, and require deeper context and explanation is wisdom, not pyschobabble. Intelligence, on the other hand, is recognising that you create and 'manage' conflicts by trying to force people to play in to your fantasy, either as rare followers, or as idiots and drones who, by definition of not recognisng your prophethood, are stupid and unabe to think for themselves. What a silly, ego-centred man you are, for all your toughs and bluffs!
Reading your comments on other threads, it's clear that you think 'freewill' would imply freedom to do anything - such as grow horns. I rather think you have a lot of self educating to do. You've defined freewill fallaciously, because that way you got to use it as a resource, by presenting people with two options, and calling one silly and one confirmation of your egotistic theology. The real silliness was actually in your own misunderstanding of the basic meaning of 'freewill'.
Now, the interesting thing there is that I did answer it - by saying that we only have free will as far as we are aware of our possible choices and motivations - but because I didn't give one of the answers you offered, you don't accept it. That attempt to control all possible answers, and the questions, comes from your fear - it's the same fear that causes you to flee the moment anyone refuses to be bound by your self created, self serving rules.
After all, why should anyone have to choose between answers that you provide, if it isn't just because you fear to let people have other views? It's the same fear that makes you run away now - if I don't let you control the debate, you won't take part. Actually, you running away is an admittance that you're afraid. Any opinion whch doesn't confirm you as prophet, or feed your ego via conflict, terrifies you. And you equate disagreeing with you with not thinking. Self, self, self - not God. Self
Freewill isn't something that we can logically posess in its fullest sense because we are not fully aware of all the possibilities OR all the psycological drivers which cause us to act in certain ways. Interestingly, appeal to black and white answers is a sign of cult indoctrination. In your case, it's just a sign that you've not considered it carefully enough, and so have reduced God to basically a complex computer reglating the affairs of men. The more awareness we have, the free-er we are.
Also, you should look carefully at the 'how' of how you ask questions - that will increase your awareness of yourself, and your freedom. Repeating naive questions of your own manufacture with 'I'll ask you again' isn't an informtion gathering or sharing tactic, it's a ay of trying to bully the debate to make you feel you won it in some way when people don't or can't respond to the question because of its innapropriateness. Everything you say is a trick to secure your own ego, at God's expense.
Secondly, you arrange debate accrding to your own naive terms, so that, agreeing with you necessarily means accepting that you are an elect 'chosen' prophet, while disagreeing with you feeds in to your 'I'm special they're not, oh yes I am' pathology. See, 'freewill' is a human concept, and it has to be considered in wide reference to other factors - there is no yes or no response for wise people. Only indoctrnated people fall for naive yes or no responses to complex questions.
Oh sorry - I assumed from the way you talk to others that you could take a bit of it yourself. Oh well... Actually, your psychology is THE most important factor in what you believe. Because you have an emotional relationship to what you beleive, and because it is hooked in to your sense of self and personality issues, it causes you to make certain mistakes in your thinking and arguing. For example, offering people a choice of black or white options as answers to naive questions.
As per freewill, you might want to do some real reading, as the greatest minds the world has ever known have pondered the issue. There is a danger that reading about real phiosophy might teach you HOW to think better, not WHAT to think - and that may lead to having to ask yourself some pretty serious questions, though. Our freewill constantly changes, in my view, as our understanding grows. You have little free will - only to be a slave to your personal sense of powerlessness. But u choose it.
In practical terms, psyciatrists often have to work with people to make them realise that they temselves, on some non-conscious level, constantly 'choose' to re-create certain life scenarios which lead to unhappiness. Do they choose 'freely'? One needs to be consciously aware of making the choice for it to be free - but they are still solely responsible for creating those scenarios. Just like you aren't aware of why you're so afraid of just being a norma human - for you, that means normal fear.
What you're trying to do there is 'control' the elements and parameters of debate, making sure all terms and references pre-fit your own standpoints to mould the outcome - another sign of fear. Your 'arguments' aren't actually arguments at all - arguments have structure and logical progression. You rant, quote scripture, and use 'what God really means' to justify your personal interpretations - a logical fallacy known as 'begging the question'. Your arguments are simply hubris.
Equally, you make a sartling example of someone so ego-centred that they've actually come to confuse their own interpretations of scripture with what God wants. Ever noticed how 'God's words' and 'what God wants' seems to be exactly the same as what wlll allow you to be 'special' and one of the chosen? Ever noticed how God seems to justify your every petty agenda? That's because you use God to justify you, and what you want and fear, not the other way around.
Oh and by the way, if you have the balls, take what you've said here apart, line by line, and see if you can understand the way you add one meaningless and contradictory line to the next, and use that as an actual process of dis-logical argument to 'launder' meaningless nonsense in to an over-all sense of meaning that isn't actually there. Add in Ian Paisley delivery, and voila - you just used bull shit simply to try and make your ego feel more special than other people. But - you still don't.
Scriptures can't be denied - which is why you use them. They don't belong in the communication category of things that can be denied, because they have no testable factors. Similarly, ranting scripture at people has no rational comback - that's why you ab-use it, because it is an argument with no conclusion - only a 'relationship status' outcome of you the prophet, and everyone else finally weaker than you for once. It's a stance of someone who lives in fear of truth, not in the bosom of it.
Of course, the logical end of this argument is that we are all simply advanced puppets, with no free choice to make our own decision to or not to confess God. Which, you believe in because it excuses you from taking responsibility for your own life, thoughts, actions - which in turn helps you hide, psychologically, from the realisation that YOU cause all the scanarios in which you feel worthless. Real freedom would be to see that, and just how you used God, rather than the other way around.
If hell doesn't exist, what kind of justice will the God of justice serve against someone like Hitler and Stalin, who kill and torture millions of people. Hell is real and it's God's justice against all sinners who not only offend His Holiness but they reject His loving offer of salvation through the blood of Christ.
.......In fact I thank God that Mr. Hanegraaff put in writing what he had studied and researched, so we can have copies for our references, or we can give them to our friends who wants to know about our faith, or we can keep them for our children to read to safeguard them against the teaching of the world and those false Christian teachings. Thank God! And may God bless Mr. Hank Hanegraaff and others who stand like him to defend our faith in Lord Jesus.
...... I think it is perfectly fine for him to promote his books. They are all good books anyway which benefit our soul and give us better understanding about our faith and what happens with Christianity nowadays. And he wrote the books after doing studies and research, and with arguments based on Bible......
I live in a country where Christian is a minority and I should say I thank God for people like Mr. Hanegraaff who firmly defend the truth of the Word of God. I listened to his radio show Bible Answer Man through website and it really amazed me how he answered all questions about anything based on Bible. I really enjoyed the program. I read some comments here about him promoting his books during the radio show and I can't understand why people think he tried to make profit out of his radio show.
I've listened to Hank before and he has said sone things that make sense and some hat have not. He does not make sense here. Since there are other gospels that agree with the gospel of thomas, then how does he know that the synoptic gospels are not the ones in error. You cannot use this reasoning. It is a fallable reasoning.
Hanegraaff is simply an innocuous businessman. He has product to move and sell. While doing so he happens to mention "the Bible", "God", "The Gospel", etc. However, bear closely in mind, he is a businessperson. That's all. He calls himself (which should be the tip-off) "The Bible answer man". Oh, yes, indeed, you'll get an "answer" regarding the Bible from him. However, there's no guarantee it will be correct. That's a little caveat folks would be well-advised to keep in mind.
He is the apprentise of another man, Walter Martin, who founded the Christian Research Institute. It was meant, not as a business, but as a tool for Christians who may otherwise fall into false doctrine and influenced by some of the fake Christian churches. I did not agree with everything, but I think his heart was in the right place. Hank, I think, is as you say in it for the money. But then again that's just my opinion. I can't say what's in his heart, but to me, he is suspect.
I'm familiar with the origin and history of CRI. How Hanegraaff came to be head of it is a very controversial topic. There is less than honorable conduct involved with the acts of Hanegraaff. I used to listen very carefully to his syndicated broadcast "The Bible answer man". It was literally nauseating to hear incessant and never-ending pitches for his latest products. Over and over and over throughout the entirety of the broadcast. It becomes very clear as to what this person is doing. Salesman
To be fair, I don't endeavor to attack or somehow "go after" Mr. Hanegraaff. However, I had a very informative, if not disturbing experience with him, live and on the air of his broadcast. In a nutshell, I happen to be an historian with a rather good understanding of certain religious holidays and their origin and development. I stated to him, that Christians might be interested to know that the christmas celebration has been lawfully banned a number of times throughout history and his (cont.)..
response was..."you know as a historian that that isn't so".... I, of course, replied, "of course it has been, it was banned by the roman council in Italy, The English Parliament (in fact, it was one of the main factors in the English civil War), and, here in the U.S., it was banned by the Massachusetts Bay Colony by the Puritans". This is common knowledge to students of history. Evidently, Mr. Hanegraaff isn't one. I recorded the conversation. He later rebroadcast it after he'd edited the tape
Yes. I was just completely stunned upon hearing someone say something so ignorant and in such a smug, condescending fashion. However, as you've touched on, we know there had to have been at least a few people that had their interest piqued and perhaps googled what they'd heard, or, researched it. It was about a week later that I happened to hear the rebroadcast of that progam and I heard myself call in, yet, I noticed he had cleverly edited the portion where he committed a faux pas. His poor ego
My wife thinks he's condescending also. And she said he talks over peoples heads, probably on purpose to sound more intelligent. Like when having a deep philosophical and theological dicussion on a more difficult area of scripture, he says it's very clear here that.....and everyone's like what?
I agree. He's pedantic. I'm guessing he'd perhaps like to be perceived as very well-read and highly educated, especially with regard to Scripture. It's seem as though everything is "very clear" in Scripture according to him. For example, on the topic of "hell". Biblical and lay scholars alike, agree it's undoubtedly the most vague and murkiest doctrine in Scripture. Yet, Hank will say things like, "it's very clear here that God is talking about hell" and we'll be listening and saying "what"?!.
"By the word of his might [God] established all things, and by his word he can overthrow them. Who shall say to him, "What have you done?" or who shall resist the power of his strength? [Wis. 12:12]"
Hippolytus
"What is narrated here [in the story of Susannah] happened at a later time, although it is placed at the front of the book [of Daniel], for it was a custom with the writers to narrate many things in an inverted order in their writings.
If God determined the Cannon, if the oldest Bible is the "Codex Sinaticus" similar to septuagint with DC, if Jesus, Paul, and other NT writers quoted the Septuagint, both containing DC and if the original KJ bible 1611 had the DC, Guttenberg bible, and Luther's first translation had the DC, what God took the DC out? The Protestant bible of today has been adulterated by men, not God, not by any council.
More significantly, and, of great note, Hanegraaff either isn't aware, or, is very negligent in mentioning the thousands of extremely poorly translated and mistranslated Bibles that have been carried out through the ages. You would really see him squirm and stutter when asked to account and explain these numerous egregious translation errors (e.g. the term "hell" and the distinctly different words used in regard to it). This is where his absence of formal scholarship is glaringly evident.
If everything has a cause and a reason they exist and also a creator. Then as you say God is the creator. Who created him? Why does he not need a creator if you say everything has to have a cause.
PitbullD - Let me better state my assertion about the Creation: ALL things that HAD A BEGINNING also had a cause. Yet, God, had no beginning and existed before time began. Many Bible verses attest to God's existence preceding time (below).
"... God destined for our glory BEFORE TIME BEGAN. (1 Corinthians 2:7); "...in Christ Jesus BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME (2 Timothy 1:9); "....God... promised BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME." (Titus 1:2); "To the only God .... BEFORE ALL TIME...."(Jude 1:25)
One thing is certain, our universe and world had a beginning (Big Bang cosmology). You have nothing alive, nothing in motion, all elements of the universe compacted into a very tiny space, and then this awesome explosion occurs, eventually resulting in unfathomable mathematically complex order and life itself. WHAT / WHO caused this? Something had to be the FIRST Cause. IF there is a God powerful enough to design and plan the universe, I'd say he is powerful enough to give and protect His Word.
Actually, do yourself a favor and read some Michio Kaku or Ernst Mayr, or Einstein's own reflections on God. The Bible is a joke... a fairytale, and a cruel and intolerant one at that. Hannagraff is a foolish man with a feeble mind.
Michio Kaku said, "I think that the laws of physics are the only ones possible, that all other laws are mathematically inconsistent. Thus, God probably had no choice in creating the universe, as Einstein believed." UNBELIEVABLE! He agrees God has the unfathomable power and intelligence to create a universe, and yet was somehow limited as to HOW He did it. If God transcends all space/time dimensions, asserting He has limits - ANY limits - is the height of human arrogance!
Speaking for God, and saying one knows what God's intention for the human race is, is also supremely arrogant. Good quote, but kaku never said God transcends all space/time dimensions. Science doesn't deal with God. Humans are the only ones who claim to know his will. That can be seen as the "height of human arrogance." It seems to me, that in terms of supernatural phenomenon, the humblest opinion is to say that one does not know.
That's right, this guy is deceptive or ignorant. 2 Peter's author is NOT known; it's added to make things better and accommodate Paul's letters which appeared before Jesus' teachings(the gospels). So, the gospels were influenced by Paul's letters (gospel); very strange. The reference to Scripture in the NT meant the Old Testament that was taught by Jesus himself. Jesus NEVER claimed to have a NT of his own; he was a Jew who taught Moses' law and the prophets in the temples; NO church. Wake up.
Just google: "Misquoting Jesus' as a book or video, written by a professor of religion studies, and see how the bibles were made by unknown men. The canon are made by men who were politically motivated. The trinity was decided by votes starting in year 325 after Jesus! They didn't even know their article of faith until then. Very strange and insulting to God and His spokesman, Jesus.
"I don't like religion because it provides us with answers that aren't really answers at all."
-Richard Dawkins
Thank you Hank for proving Mr. Dawkins right.
mpua2424 4 weeks ago
The Catholic Church put the bible/canon of scripture together using the techniques he lists.
Doyler3 1 month ago
He used two minutes and nine seconds and never actually answered the question...
cburton103 2 months ago
Hank Hanegraaff is a member of the synagogue of satan... These PHILOsophized "ministers of righteousness" are ALL in with the devil. Jesus Christ was NOT a "scholar" in FACT neither were His disciples. But these "theologians" attend "SEMENaries" to learn the "ways" of "man" and they will trip everyone up with their BULLSHIT LIES and "talk" much like Ron Paul, the freemason does. Talk, talk, talk.. All anyone need do is BELIEVE in Jesus Christ, that's IT. GOSPEL. How hard is that? Lol!
QueenyCameron2 2 months ago
funny man. is he really an expert?
gi2bull 4 months ago
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The Catholic Church put The Holy Bible together, The Books were chosen at the council of Rome and Carthage.
MysticalCity 5 months ago
Council of Trent 300 AD-ish
Documents were approved and disproved by men to be part of the bible.
Thomas's work was omitted because of the fairy tale style of story of Jesus as a youth
For history channel's actual investigation watch this -
watch?v=l8PQ6_0gJUE
kelbykross1 5 months ago
Bart Ehrman recommends the NRSV.
k0smon 6 months ago
Wow - and this is the Bible ANSWER man???
pjb1983 6 months ago
Who are the translators "authors" of your suggestion "Young's Literal Translation YLT" and what Greek, Hebrew, MSS did they use? If they used the same MSS as the AVKJV; were did the AVKJV translators indicate that the AVKJV is not accurate Holy Scriptures or that is was translated for a king or politics? This is what I am looking for: answers!!!
TKS: Pastor David Skakun
cmccaable 7 months ago
Why didn't Hank mention the Muratorian canon? That's the oldest NT canonical list that we know of. It's probably from the late 2nd century. It has 22 of the 27 books in the NT.
thebahana 7 months ago
Hi: Hank
Please fill me in on this!!!
What Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS are superior than the Original Greek, Hebrew, etc, etc MSS that the KJV translators use? Moreover, could you name a translator that is more superior in the languages than the translators of the KJV 1611 MSS? TKS: Pastor David Skakun
cmccaable 7 months ago
@cmccaable I'm not sure what you're asking here but if you're looking for a modern alternative to the 1611 KJV I would suggest the Young's Literal Translation. The translator used the same manuscripts as the KJV, but he believed the Bible should be translated accurately, where as the KJ translators were trying to create a translation which would be acceptable to the king and the politics of the day. I'm ok with using the KJV, but I usually double check the Young's on important matters.
NotAnotherGeneration 7 months ago
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youneekk 7 months ago
lol, in other words we just take wild guesses and make assumptions as to which texts are "holy".
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l337pwnage 8 months ago
Good money.....CRI makes goooood money......google preterism.
preteristaynrand 8 months ago
Good money.....CRI makes goooood money......
preteristaynrand 8 months ago
The Bible is no more than a confusing mis-mesh of ideas, views and creations of men, who tried to depict what/who God is. Their efforts was/is a colossal failure on many acconts. That we have thousands of denominations, sects, etc clearly points to this fact. No two unbiased people can read the Bible and come away with the same conclusion. To suggest that any (just?) God would hold any soul accountable for such a confused mixture of snake oil is pure adulterated rubbish.
downyearth 8 months ago
Hank Hanegraff is a fake. I saw him at a leadership conference in Orlando, and after the show he was signing his own book (how Jesus like). And he refused to answer my friend's question about how to prove the Bible's accuracy to someone who didn't believe the Bible was God's word. He completely evaded the question and simply emphasized that it "was holy."
metalhead8853 9 months ago
Bless you, brother Hank!
mrpankau 9 months ago
@bucklee34 oh and another thing their smart guy I would learn how to spell before you go ranting. All you have is misconceptions and false accusations about the nature of religion and more so about Christianity...I am sorry that you have so much hate in you and that you cannot see truth staring you in the face.
shaolinschool2010 9 months ago
@bucklee34 I am sorry but you are mistaken......Go back and get an education.
shaolinschool2010 9 months ago
That's quite possibly the most benighted and simplistic explanation I've ever heard about the process of cannonization of the Bible. And to think this guy has his own radio show!
apologeticacattolica 9 months ago
@bucklee34 "the fool says in his heart there is no GOD" just thougy I would give you a little insight in what god says about people who don't beloved in god. Also you are forgetting what david brainerd who was missionary in the 1800s did. He brought the gospel to alot of Indians, who got saved..
fullymanfullyGOD 10 months ago
I think these apologetics are hilarious. fact of the matter is the bible is not divine. if it were a divine book written by god, word you should live and base your life on it would be perfect....and it is not. yet the bible says it is the perfect word of god.......it contains errors and horrible things. i have yet to meet a single person who would follow through with every commandment "god" gave in the bible. it was written by men assembled by men and edited.....by MEN.
live4pce 10 months ago
@live4pce Ok so what is your justification for saying the bible has errors in it. Define error, and more so who are you to critique the bible? Read 2 Timothy 3:16.
shaolinschool2010 9 months ago
@bucklee34 Why so much hate?
KeenanxMhoon 10 months ago
@bucklee34 "can you touch your god? just like your god"
At what point did I suggest that I had a god?
blaisingm 10 months ago
@bucklee34 Im Catholic, and I have a question for you. How do you explain the cactus cloth of Our Lady of Gudalaupe? What about the Mirecule of the sun in 1917 in Fatima Portagual? God loves us and wants us to spend eternity with Him. Do some research on the Blessed Virgin and her apperaring all over the world to prove the Catholic Faith right.
YeshuaisYahweh1 10 months ago
@bucklee34 "i believe my hammer can drive a nail into wood. and it does."
You "believe" it because you've seen it being used and been taught to use it. You can hold your hammer... test it by giving it a couple test swings. Once satisfied, you can use it to solve problems. You don't "believe" in your hammer because it exists only in a story... you "believe" your hammer can work because you've been taught to use it. Same for evolution. Do you "believe" in magic wands? If not, why?
blaisingm 10 months ago
It is important to understand that their is a BIG, BIG difference between science and religious belief systems. Science is a tool used to solve problems. Religious belief systems are things you believe in. You don't believe in science. Instead, you use it to solve problems just like your hammer. You don't believe in your hammer, you use it to solve problems. Science and religious belief systems are completely unrelated and unfit for comparison.
blaisingm 10 months ago
How can we trust the men that put the bible together? The process by which books were selected seems to be that they were trying to make a certain abstract story. How do we know that those mean put the bible together to meet their needs or the ones of their powerful and wealthy masters? I'm sorry but I just don't trust man. In my opinion, if it is God's word, man would not have had a part in creating it.
djlazlow1 10 months ago
RC Sproul said that the bible is "a fallible cannon of infallible books", implying that we may or may not have all the correct books.
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I glad im Roman Catholic.
TheUltraHorror559 11 months ago
@TheUltraHorror559 We wrote the Bible in the 4th centuery, no matter what protestants want to believe, its because of us why there is a Bible. Im glad to be part of the one True Faith also.
YeshuaisYahweh1 11 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 I would have to argue that it is "because of GOD" we have the bible and to some degree, it is in spite of Israel that we have the bible. If you do your homework you will find that Israel consistently killed and stoned the prophets that were sent to them. Very rarely did Israel embrace God or His word. The story of Israel and the Jews is a story of consistent rebellion towards God. At best God worked "through" Israel. That is what you are part of !
ageofgrace 11 months ago
@YeshuaisYahweh1 Dont get me wrong....the story of Israel is an amazing one and the Jews are an amazing people. I just know it is to the credit of God and Gods enduring love and mercy.....not the accomplishment of fallen man.
ageofgrace 11 months ago
heh, what a load of crap...
merlin2187 1 year ago
two great european narcotics alcohol and christianity
loly1969 1 year ago
Todd, you can't defeat the works of the Holy Spirit, and you can't put God in a box. It is impossible. Your Father, the father of all the liars, -- Devil is evil not by condition but by choice. There is no salvation outside the church that which Jesus is building on.
valio2750 1 year ago
Todd, you can make a good team of all the liars, with Mr. Hank, Dr. E. Luster and etc., but you can't prevail against The Holy Catholic Church, because Jesus said so. You have to understand that it is not the St. Peter who is building the Church of God, but it is He, Jesus is the main builder. So you actually in war against Jesus and his Mother. Your wisdom is a foolishness to Jesus.
valio2750 1 year ago
That is exactly how it happened. I don't know about the smoky part but the council of Nicea(?) set the cannon.
lautz73 1 year ago
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In the 1500's William Tyndale sought to translate the Bible into the language of the common people, English. He could not gain approval from the Catholic. He was eventually executed in 1536. It is because of people like these men, Tyndale and Wycliffe, that we have the scriptures today. If the Catholic religion had its way, we'd still be in ignorance about the Bible and enslaved to the pope.
PianoForteSky 1 year ago
But How? What is the really answer to the question?
oncom2008 1 year ago
Wow, interesting that it's so obvious and clear to Hank Hanegraaf 2000 years after the Bible was written which books belong, yet was debated vigorously by hundreds of Church Fathers in the generations after Christ. Consider books like the Shepherd of Hermas, Hebrews, Revelation, Epistle of Barnabas, etc. Some were accepted, others rejected.
His assertion is absurd. Watch the video I created which explains this issue: watch?v=6A668Xfv2EA
phil8888 1 year ago
Hank is full of it. It took several hundred years of squabbling for the Christian Canon to be nailed together. The result; a mishmash of contradictory stories, letters, forgeries of letters, and apocalyptic rantings, which are proudly proclaimed as "Canon". It would be laughable if it was not for the fact that millions of people had to die in religious wars dictated by that same "inspired" Canon.
4312ton 1 year ago
@4312ton
Your statement is flawed as well as historically incorrect. Most people killed in religious wars have been Christians and Jews. In fact, just look at what is happening today in many parts of Africa, India and Indonesia. People who have converted to Christianity are harassed, abused and even killed. This has been the case throughout history. And it's not laughable.
christimacc 1 year ago
@christimacc Your half right and a poor student of religious history. I meant Christians killing each other or Jews. Mostly Protestant vs Catholics. The French religious wars, the 30 year war. A bloodbath in the name if fighting heresies. The Jews were always a favorite target, but it culminated in the Nazi holocaust inspired by the antisemitism of German Christianity. You have a lot of gall in playing the "poor Christian victim" card.
4312ton 1 year ago
The Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminati-NAZIS-CFR (Jews who are Luciferian) run the world. they have all the judges, attorneys, doctors, major corporations, etc. in their back pocket. bought & paid 4. our country is no longer free -we live in tyranny! truth an obscure thing, Oppression & lie is the norm. Were all slaves- our masters, the elite, r at least 50 years ahead of us in knowledge, technology, info., secrets & r using all of it against us!
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MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
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Exodus 21:17, KJV:
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
This guy is delusional. The bible is not clear nor is it consistent at all. Everything from the four completely different accounts of the Resurrection of Jesus to the different ways that Judas dies. How does fallible man decide what is and what is not inspired by god. And if a person were to say that those people who Canonized the bible were inspired by god, how could someone ever prove that. Maybe the catholic church got the right canon, and the Protestants did not.
gokuhawks14 1 year ago 2
@gokuhawks14
The Bible is not only clear, it's consistent. The problem is not with The Word, but people's unwillingness to read, understand and apply it.
christimacc 1 year ago
@christimacc "Bible is not only clear, it's consistent". Again your are half right. The Bible is consistently rambling and incomprehensible. If this is the best sample of God's communication skills you have huge problems. Most |Christians never actually read the Bible, never mind understanding it. The Emperor has no clothes but no one want to admit it.
4312ton 1 year ago
Well...here's somthing you & others can go on & read. bUT ...i'LL tell you what it said then google it. or go to "Blue letter Bible" it say in 2Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no PROPHET'S OF SCRIPTURE came about by the prophet's own interpretation. Amen! Also it gose on to say in 2Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the "HOLY SPIRIT. aMEN!
DanteXLz 1 year ago
Hank has WISDOM>
xPikmin2x 1 year ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus
Yes, Hanegraaff is a heretic, but the ignorant and unstable believe him.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
Sorry, Hanegraaf.
You're really a bit of a bonehead. The canon was determined by the Holy Spirit and the Catholic Church. The New Testament was written by Catholic men. You would not even have a Bible if it were not for God's Catholic Church.
If you actually knew Scriptures authentically, you would know that Christ gave authority to His Apostles... His Apostles passed on that authority... you have none of that authority.... you have zero authority from God to teach on faith and morals.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus they shall come in the name of Jesus but not known by Jesus. What is heretical in this video? I think you work for the enemy....believeandtrust!
TheXpozer 1 year ago
I get your points, trust me, but "catholic" means universal. Most Evangelicals believe that the church was on the right path until it started introducing all kinds of paganisms. We'd even accept the Catholic Church today if they got rid of all those things (they wouldn't). The problem is, when does it exactly begin to be a totally deviated organization? (like it is today). Even if there is a valid legacy from Rome, what's the example they've given us in the last few years? especially pedophilia!
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
You're not a formal member of God's Church, so you have no idea what the Church even is. The Bible did not come before the Church. The Bible doesn't contain all revelation (it even tells you that). The Church made the Bible. The Bible is only part of God's Church, along with Magisterium and Godly Tradition. The truth is "Scripture Alone" is a man made tradition, not God's Tradition.
You would accept the Catholic Church today if you accepted all of Christ's teachings.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@mdkpubs Will we trust the writers of the Bible as God-Sent? If we are, then we believe that God Himself has spoken, if we don't, then nothing really matters&we can believe anything we want. The problem with the Catholic church is that the pope has the last say in their beliefs, so really he can change anything he wants. Yes, I know what the Church is, it's not the Catholic church. Their beliefs contradict Scripture in many essential issues: "God is a jealous God" is an example (idolatry).
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
If you trust the writers of Gospel of Jesus Christ, then you trust the Catholic Church. All authors of NT Scripture were and are Catholic men. This is the one true Church of Christ.
No Catholic doctrine contradicts Scripture, because the NT was the written Catholic Tradition. It can't contradict, or else you don't believe Christ.
You say it contradicts because you interpret differently. However, where is your authority to teach? You have ZERO authority.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@mdkpubs My authority is Scripture itself, the OT does not stand alone neither does the NT. If God says "you shall make no IMAGE of anything that is in Heaven...Earth or under the earth" that's enough to say the Catholic church has failed. Peter wasn't a Roman catholic, nor the apostles. Let's face it, the Catholic Church has committed atrocities, (the execution of Galileo, even the Holocaust) and it continues to be abusive with hideous violations. That's NOT the Church Christ established.
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Your authority is NOT Scripture itself. Your authority is your own private interpretation of Scripture itself, your own privately found or held beliefs.
If God forbade making images, then why did He command making of "graven images"? God commanded cherubim on the OT Ark of the Covenant. He commanded Moses to make a serpent and put it on a staff. There were images of angels in the Temple in Jerusalem. In truth, God forbade worshiping these graven images as false gods.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
So, when was Galileo executed? Galileo died a peaceful natural death. He was excommunicated because He challenged the Church teaching, setting himself up as an interpreter of Scriptures. This is why he got into trouble. Galileo was using the science of another, which was being developed, and studied by Catholic men.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
The Catholic Church has not failed. Jesus said it could never fail. Never is a long time... to the end of time.
The failure is your failure to know what the Church teaches, that is to know what God teaches. God never taught it was wrong to simply make a "graven image". God commanded that "graven images" be made, and had them in His Temple in Jerusalem. God commanded that we may not worship these as false gods. The Catholic Church is exactly correct in teaching this.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Pope Pius XII saved more Jewish lives than anyone who directly tried to help the Jews. It's estimated that he saved between 700,000 to 860,000 Jewish lives.
Those who hate the Catholic Church have since his death spread falsehoods, which you readily believe instead of the truth. A thorough examination of all the facts vindicated Pius XII as a very good man and fried of the Jews. In fact, the Nazi's referred to Pius XII as their enemy and as a "full Jew."
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Jesus told us the Church He would build would have wolves inside. So, your claim to the contrary is false. Christ knew what He was talking about. You seem to think you know better than Christ, but you're just a prideful and arrogant person who lacks proper background and truth.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@mdkpubs I don't need a leader to give me authority, especially a "character" that doesn't have the character to change the prohibition of marriage (within their government) or to tell his followers that Christ "not Mary" is the only way to salvation. What ever happened to "I am the way the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father but by me".?
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
You've got a lot of false claims, but really not any truth.
Neither Christ nor does the Bible give you any authority to interpret, nor to teach about Christ.
The Church teaches that Jesus delegated authority to the Apostles, who handed it on to their successors. This is all covered in the Scriptures.
There is no prohibition on marriage in the Catholic Church.
The Church teaches that Jesus is the way to salvation, not Mary. Mary points the way to Christ.
Why do you lie?
mdkpubs 1 year ago
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mdkpubs 1 year ago
@mdkpubs Every holy person can teach you something good but there is no communication w them once they've departed from the body. The images and sculptures in the OT were not supposed to be worshiped (not even the Ark). I don't lie, even non Catholics know priests are not allow to marry and remain in the ministry. Carol Voitila himself admitted the church was involved in the holocaust and apologized. I have no need to make up stuff, everything comes to light by itself.
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
I can learn something from holy people, but not people who lie about God's revelation, as you do.
So, you agree now with the Catholic teaching of God's revelation, that graven images can be made, as long as they're not worshiped? Perhaps you're finally learning.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
You do lie about the priesthood, by lumping in a prohibition of marriage as the way to Heaven. This is a false statement you have written.
If the person desires to be married to a woman, then they do not enter the priesthood. If the person chooses the priesthood, then the vow includes celibacy and poverty, just as Jesus did while on earth.
Jesus was celibate. There is nothing wrong with celibacy, else Jesus would have married a female human. Instead He married His Church.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Pope John Paul II was relying on men understanding what he said, and being honest in presenting it. Men in the Church have made all kinds of sins. This has been true from the start. That's why there is forgiveness and reconciliation with Christ, as Christ established. No man's sin has any effect on the validity of Church teachings nor on the Sacraments.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
You create your own fictions, even without trying. Learning the truth takes effort and discipline. You lack both effort and discipline.
What will come to light is that your fictions are just that, made up and not taught by God. It's very clear that the Scriptures teach the opposite of many of your claims.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Jesus said the saints are living and not dead. Revelation shows the saints carrying our prayer petitions to God as incense. So, the saints are aware of our prayer requests. You can discuss with one who is alive in Heaven. It's only right to worship God alone, but you can pray to others that they pray for you. Prayer is communication. All prayer is not worship. Only the uneducated believe all prayer is worship.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@mdkpubs History doesn't lie, I would give credit to a religion that even though tey're wrong, would admit wrong doings. Just by saying that my claims are not legitimate you prove nothing, the world knows the Catholic is going through a shameful stage, just watch the news.
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
History doesn't lie. but you have lied about history.
You're an idiot in regard to God's teachings. Every single person in the Catholic Church sins, some greater than others. For that matter, every single person outside of God's Catholic Church sins, some greater than others. So, to say you can deny God's Church because men inside sin is to never know God's Church. It is to not know God, who came to wipe away our sins when we fall.
So, you're just being uncharitable.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@mdkpubs
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mdkpubs 1 year ago
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@gospelnews123
The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the way to salvation, not Mary. Mary points the way to Christ. This is what we're all supposed to do isn't it... point the way to Christ for others, and pray for them? I don't see the problem here. You've got a problem strictly because you believe the falsehoods by anti-Catholics, and don't investigate to find the truth before you ignorantly post.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Catholic does mean universal. This word "Catholic" was applied by the year 105 only to one Church built by Christ, the Church that existed at that time. It applied then and now to the Church of the Apostles, with valid Bishops who received ordination tracing back to the Apostles, and with the valid head Apostle (Bishop) office.
1500 years later, men protested and revolted against and left this one Catholic Church, and built ecclesial communities that teach their own doctrines.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
There is valid legacy of the RCC, as this is the one and only Church established by Christ. No ecclesial community built by men has this authority or legacy.
It matters because only the RCC has the fullness of revealed truth, and full seven Sacraments. Ecclesial communities built by men have neither the full truth, nor the valid seven Sacraments.
It's up to us to behave properly and follow God and some do. Some don't and give poor example. It's our own free will.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Evangelicals are wrong. The Church never has introduced paganism. Evangelicals wouldn't know anyway, as they didn't exist until recently in time. The early Church was Catholic. God's Church still is Catholic and has the Prime Minister of God's Kingdom. Evangelicals base their faith only on their own (often false and incomplete) interpretations of God's written word only. God said to listen to both Oral Tradition and Written Tradition.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
Pedophelia is wrong. However, it's uncharitable only to discuss it as it occurs by men inside the Catholic Church. The instances of problematic sexual deviance is higher in the Protestant ecclesial communities, and 10x higher in public schools.
That tells me of the three, the safest place for a child would be in the Catholic Church and Catholic Schools.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
God said His one Church could never fall into error. So, the Church that existed at Pentecost can never fall into error. This is why Evangelicals don't really trust Jesus.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
They picked the ones that fit the religion they made. Gosple of Mary? Didn't fit.
gregrutz 1 year ago
what the heck is this?
nimpo46 1 year ago
@nimpo46 A guy who would rather eat a ball of steel wool rather than simply admit the truth that the Catholic Church, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, determined the canon of scripture. If the Holy Spirit indeed assisted the church, than this canon, this Bible, must be infallible. If it did not, then the Bible is fallible, with grave consequences for Christianity. He knows this, of course, but doesn't want to say as much the truth is anathema to these sort of people.
NYCZ31 1 year ago
@NYCZ31 The Catholic Church??? LOL!!! Good one!!! The extra books they have don't measure up to be Canonical. Plus, until what point in time does the Catholic Church become the "Roman Catholic Church?" Before the prostitution of the church, it was the Christian Church, it is until it marries the government when the harlotries start. A faithful Church would never kill or abuse others, nor worship images, etc. I'm not trying to be mean, it's reality. Are there corrupt Evangelicals, yes.
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123 They didn't measure up to be Canonical? And who told you that? Martin Luther? he also wanted to get rid of James and Revelation. The RC Church GAVE you the Bible. That book in your hands called "The Bible" is a Catholic document. Only the RC Church can even begin to claim to know what the Bible should contain.
NYCZ31 1 year ago
@NYCZ31Yeah, that's because U still think that the Catholic Church has existed from the moment Jesus said that He would edify His Church. But the Catholic Church was NOT, until (as I've said before) it married the gov., then they implemented all those additional rules of non-marriage for priests, infant baptisms & what not. I'm not saying that they don't have truths, I'm saying, they don't own the "Church Monopoly". The canon is determined by all the writings that are in agreement to each other.
gospelnews123 1 year ago
@gospelnews123 The church was first called "catholic" in the early second century. There were bishops. There were priests. There was a pope. There was mass with the breaking of the bread. All much before 313AD. In the Council of Carthage of 397 AD the Church declared what the canon was, and the entire church accepted it. Bingo, the Bible is born. Before that there were lots of different canons.
NYCZ31 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
You're wrong about this too. The Catholic Church was born at Calvary, when water and blood issued forth from the side of the New Adam, as He slept the sleep of death on the cross. The Bride of the New Adam was born from His side.
The Catholic Church got her "legs" at Pentecost. What Bible was used on Pentecost? NONE. Jesus built His ONE Church, and His ONE Church authored the New Testament and assembled the full 73 book Bible, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
@gospelnews123
The Holy Spirit says the 73 books of the authentic Bible are canonical.
What's your authority for saying otherwise?
It boils down to authority. The Catholic Church was built by Christ and given authority to teach matters of faith and morals, would be led to all truth, and would last until the end of time.
Do you have that same authority? I've never read in the Scriptures that authority would be transferred to a lay person 2,000 years after Christ.
mdkpubs 1 year ago
Talk about getting around the question LOL I agree with ehjonke total blabling never answered the question lol
CajunKlingon 1 year ago
The people of the Jesus seminar are not credible scholars? Is this moron kidding? Lots of blabbering, not much substance.
ehjonke 1 year ago
i listen to Hank H. about as much as i can. He is very good
buzzobug 1 year ago
Who really cares what Hank says anyway..
He's a heretic!!
False teacher!!
Stay away from his teachings!
He may have some things right like exposing cults and such but his
Doctrine is Apostasy!!
9etownoil98 1 year ago
@9etownoil98
And why? Sorry... but any rational person will see only the contempt in your claims because they lack any rational argument to the contrary. Nice...
marked221 1 year ago
@9etownoil98
The End is Near!!
Quit Your Job!
Slack Off!
Pain! Suffering!
mfentruck 1 year ago
read on the internet the 2001 LA Times featured article "doubting the story of the exodus" in which famous scholarly jews such as rabbi David Wolpe and professor Ze'ev Herzog discussed how the "exodus" was only a jewish narrative and not a real historical event. The "exodus" hoax was jewish strategy intended to steal Egyptian land with the eventual land claim that jewish ancestors had been enslaved inside Egypt for 500 years. If the "exodus" claims are false then judaism doesn't even exist.
HeFoundTomHagen 1 year ago
@HeFoundTomHagen
Is that aptitude or attitude? Nobody alive today was there so that claim in itself cannot be proven. Context is king. Given the unique of the Jewish people, their nation, and their continued and unjust persecution, you must assume that the story is true. In fact, I surmise that the historical hatred of the Jewish people is so irrational that it must be a spiritual issue. Yes, I do mean that it is an attitude that is influenced from beyond our physical domain.
marked221 1 year ago
Yep, Hank couldn't answer the question. Where is the evidence God put together or "determined" the canon? Lot's of talking, but he never addresses the main question.
trencher7 1 year ago
How I think the bible was put together ? For many years even centuries, those stories were past orally from one generation to another. Then one day some one started to write them down, and more and more started writing, until finally somebody was smart enough to make some kind of compilation.
lizazoon 1 year ago
In Matthew 16, our Lord Jesus gives us a Church, not a Bible. Since the Reformation, we've had thousands and thousands of divisions and denominations. This isn't the unity we share in Christ. At least let there be "unity in the essentials, liberty in the non-essentials and charity in all." - another Augustine quote.
riverdreams1 1 year ago
The "Bible" is ultimately a Catholic book. In other words, I think history is clear that God used the Catholic church to canonize Sacred Scripture. The "early Church fathers" he mentions were all Catholic, which simply means universal Christians (literally, a part of the whole). St. Augustine said something to the degree of, "How can I believe the Scriptures unless I first trust the authority of the Church that gave the Scriptures to me."
riverdreams1 1 year ago
Yes but the Book of Jude confirms the Book of Enoch,
yet the Book of Enoch was ommited
TheMinistryOfDefense 1 year ago
So when are you planning on answering the question?" Discovered by man, determined by God" ok so where in scripture does the Lord determine scripture? Where in scripture does it state the books that should be in it?come on give me a break.protestant brothers and sisters pls stop denying the truth.listen to that man and please tell me if he ever answers the question.HE DOES NOT!At some point we have to recognize that this is a bunch of crap by these thiefs who ask for our money in the name of God
hhmarquez11 1 year ago
biblical cannon was put together by the real gods of christianity: the religious and political leaders from the past
sapaha39 1 year ago
how can you say God created your religious cannon when you can not confirm if that is the case? Man these people are full of shit......an invisible God that can't be heard, touched or seen apparenlty formed their cannon and they all of a sudden "discovered" it....the saddest part is that there are really stupid people out there that eat up the garbage that these people put out
sapaha39 1 year ago
still this does not answer the question. stop beating about the bush and tell us. you lot are the very reason why there is so much confusion in the christian church. history provides us with cast iron evidence of how the bible came to be and yet you vehemently deny it. how do you expect others to convert to Christ when infact you reject the means by which this trueth has been manifest to us. protestants have done more damage than good . One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church ,everyone God bless
jphairy 2 years ago
A bunch of old fat me sat in a room going eenie meenie minie mo... or was it a dart board. One or the other.
GawdOfThunder 2 years ago
The speaker makes bokd assertions with no backing evidence and is clearly trying to undermine the Catholic Church's role in establishing the canon. I am not convinced at all.
maputo95 2 years ago
This guy is a joke. There were several different gospels that were rejected as non cannonical for no other reason than that the proto-orthordox christians did not agree with the theology of them. There were no "rules" that went into selecting the cannonical gospels. So this guy is a liar. The four gospels were accepted by the majority of christians based not on divine intervention, but on force of will of the orthodox christians.
irisheye801 2 years ago
So you presume that God did not guide these Church Fathers in recognizing Truth? You presume that the Apostles never handed down tradition on testing scripture? Do you believe that these guys were just a bunch of arrogated yokels conniving a colossal lie? Is God so feeble and useless as to pay the price for Sin and then be foiled in presented an accurate picture of that History to the world?
sonolucent67 2 years ago
You show me one scintilla of evidence of divine guidence in the compilation of the connonical gospels. I can show you roughly 5700 early texts of the scriptures that were changed and/or forged from which all the current forms of the New Testament were based.
irisheye801 2 years ago
Evidence? Look, Irish, you defame someone's character based on what? Your well-read point of view? Let the living God demonstrate Himself to you. I have no part in it other than the message. As for your assertion, PLEASE, SHOW ME! I want to see all 5700!! In fact, you may enlighten the whole Archaeological world!
sonolucent67 2 years ago
I am not defaming him -- I am pointing out that he is knowingly stating something false. If he did all the research he claims to have done, he would know that the Cannon specifically excluded many supposedly divine gospels such as that of theEbionites and Marcians simply because Jesus was not depicted in them in a manner that was consistent with the Theologies being forced on early Christians by men such as Eucibius and Tertollian. Where did they derive their divine inspiration?
irisheye801 2 years ago
No, what you are implying is that Christianity is just another manmade religion without supernatural source. So when you say "this guy is a joke" you present a colossal irony.
sonolucent67 2 years ago
Actually, recognising that most questions aren't black and white, and require deeper context and explanation is wisdom, not pyschobabble. Intelligence, on the other hand, is recognising that you create and 'manage' conflicts by trying to force people to play in to your fantasy, either as rare followers, or as idiots and drones who, by definition of not recognisng your prophethood, are stupid and unabe to think for themselves. What a silly, ego-centred man you are, for all your toughs and bluffs!
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Reading your comments on other threads, it's clear that you think 'freewill' would imply freedom to do anything - such as grow horns. I rather think you have a lot of self educating to do. You've defined freewill fallaciously, because that way you got to use it as a resource, by presenting people with two options, and calling one silly and one confirmation of your egotistic theology. The real silliness was actually in your own misunderstanding of the basic meaning of 'freewill'.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Now, the interesting thing there is that I did answer it - by saying that we only have free will as far as we are aware of our possible choices and motivations - but because I didn't give one of the answers you offered, you don't accept it. That attempt to control all possible answers, and the questions, comes from your fear - it's the same fear that causes you to flee the moment anyone refuses to be bound by your self created, self serving rules.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
After all, why should anyone have to choose between answers that you provide, if it isn't just because you fear to let people have other views? It's the same fear that makes you run away now - if I don't let you control the debate, you won't take part. Actually, you running away is an admittance that you're afraid. Any opinion whch doesn't confirm you as prophet, or feed your ego via conflict, terrifies you. And you equate disagreeing with you with not thinking. Self, self, self - not God. Self
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Freewill isn't something that we can logically posess in its fullest sense because we are not fully aware of all the possibilities OR all the psycological drivers which cause us to act in certain ways. Interestingly, appeal to black and white answers is a sign of cult indoctrination. In your case, it's just a sign that you've not considered it carefully enough, and so have reduced God to basically a complex computer reglating the affairs of men. The more awareness we have, the free-er we are.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Also, you should look carefully at the 'how' of how you ask questions - that will increase your awareness of yourself, and your freedom. Repeating naive questions of your own manufacture with 'I'll ask you again' isn't an informtion gathering or sharing tactic, it's a ay of trying to bully the debate to make you feel you won it in some way when people don't or can't respond to the question because of its innapropriateness. Everything you say is a trick to secure your own ego, at God's expense.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Secondly, you arrange debate accrding to your own naive terms, so that, agreeing with you necessarily means accepting that you are an elect 'chosen' prophet, while disagreeing with you feeds in to your 'I'm special they're not, oh yes I am' pathology. See, 'freewill' is a human concept, and it has to be considered in wide reference to other factors - there is no yes or no response for wise people. Only indoctrnated people fall for naive yes or no responses to complex questions.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Oh sorry - I assumed from the way you talk to others that you could take a bit of it yourself. Oh well... Actually, your psychology is THE most important factor in what you believe. Because you have an emotional relationship to what you beleive, and because it is hooked in to your sense of self and personality issues, it causes you to make certain mistakes in your thinking and arguing. For example, offering people a choice of black or white options as answers to naive questions.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
As per freewill, you might want to do some real reading, as the greatest minds the world has ever known have pondered the issue. There is a danger that reading about real phiosophy might teach you HOW to think better, not WHAT to think - and that may lead to having to ask yourself some pretty serious questions, though. Our freewill constantly changes, in my view, as our understanding grows. You have little free will - only to be a slave to your personal sense of powerlessness. But u choose it.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
In practical terms, psyciatrists often have to work with people to make them realise that they temselves, on some non-conscious level, constantly 'choose' to re-create certain life scenarios which lead to unhappiness. Do they choose 'freely'? One needs to be consciously aware of making the choice for it to be free - but they are still solely responsible for creating those scenarios. Just like you aren't aware of why you're so afraid of just being a norma human - for you, that means normal fear.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
What you're trying to do there is 'control' the elements and parameters of debate, making sure all terms and references pre-fit your own standpoints to mould the outcome - another sign of fear. Your 'arguments' aren't actually arguments at all - arguments have structure and logical progression. You rant, quote scripture, and use 'what God really means' to justify your personal interpretations - a logical fallacy known as 'begging the question'. Your arguments are simply hubris.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Equally, you make a sartling example of someone so ego-centred that they've actually come to confuse their own interpretations of scripture with what God wants. Ever noticed how 'God's words' and 'what God wants' seems to be exactly the same as what wlll allow you to be 'special' and one of the chosen? Ever noticed how God seems to justify your every petty agenda? That's because you use God to justify you, and what you want and fear, not the other way around.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Oh and by the way, if you have the balls, take what you've said here apart, line by line, and see if you can understand the way you add one meaningless and contradictory line to the next, and use that as an actual process of dis-logical argument to 'launder' meaningless nonsense in to an over-all sense of meaning that isn't actually there. Add in Ian Paisley delivery, and voila - you just used bull shit simply to try and make your ego feel more special than other people. But - you still don't.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Scriptures can't be denied - which is why you use them. They don't belong in the communication category of things that can be denied, because they have no testable factors. Similarly, ranting scripture at people has no rational comback - that's why you ab-use it, because it is an argument with no conclusion - only a 'relationship status' outcome of you the prophet, and everyone else finally weaker than you for once. It's a stance of someone who lives in fear of truth, not in the bosom of it.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
Of course, the logical end of this argument is that we are all simply advanced puppets, with no free choice to make our own decision to or not to confess God. Which, you believe in because it excuses you from taking responsibility for your own life, thoughts, actions - which in turn helps you hide, psychologically, from the realisation that YOU cause all the scanarios in which you feel worthless. Real freedom would be to see that, and just how you used God, rather than the other way around.
Cactusroute 2 years ago
God will judge people, not you. I think your fear mongering may send you to this lake of fire you fear so much.
Try preaching some love and the way christ has inspired you to live your life. I believe god prefers this.
jayrod105 2 years ago
If hell doesn't exist, what kind of justice will the God of justice serve against someone like Hitler and Stalin, who kill and torture millions of people. Hell is real and it's God's justice against all sinners who not only offend His Holiness but they reject His loving offer of salvation through the blood of Christ.
dreamweaver34 2 years ago
ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY.
ALLAH U AKBAR.
faithandproof 2 years ago
this is just flat out lies and they no it
xxzmikezxx 2 years ago
.......In fact I thank God that Mr. Hanegraaff put in writing what he had studied and researched, so we can have copies for our references, or we can give them to our friends who wants to know about our faith, or we can keep them for our children to read to safeguard them against the teaching of the world and those false Christian teachings. Thank God! And may God bless Mr. Hank Hanegraaff and others who stand like him to defend our faith in Lord Jesus.
dirsujh5 2 years ago
...... I think it is perfectly fine for him to promote his books. They are all good books anyway which benefit our soul and give us better understanding about our faith and what happens with Christianity nowadays. And he wrote the books after doing studies and research, and with arguments based on Bible......
dirsujh5 2 years ago
I live in a country where Christian is a minority and I should say I thank God for people like Mr. Hanegraaff who firmly defend the truth of the Word of God. I listened to his radio show Bible Answer Man through website and it really amazed me how he answered all questions about anything based on Bible. I really enjoyed the program. I read some comments here about him promoting his books during the radio show and I can't understand why people think he tried to make profit out of his radio show.
dirsujh5 2 years ago
gemmie a break the bible answer man
Gwenlj 2 years ago
yawn....zzzzzzzzzz
remnant1978 2 years ago
I've listened to Hank before and he has said sone things that make sense and some hat have not. He does not make sense here. Since there are other gospels that agree with the gospel of thomas, then how does he know that the synoptic gospels are not the ones in error. You cannot use this reasoning. It is a fallable reasoning.
liarslayer 2 years ago
Hanegraaff is simply an innocuous businessman. He has product to move and sell. While doing so he happens to mention "the Bible", "God", "The Gospel", etc. However, bear closely in mind, he is a businessperson. That's all. He calls himself (which should be the tip-off) "The Bible answer man". Oh, yes, indeed, you'll get an "answer" regarding the Bible from him. However, there's no guarantee it will be correct. That's a little caveat folks would be well-advised to keep in mind.
kevinneslund 2 years ago
He is the apprentise of another man, Walter Martin, who founded the Christian Research Institute. It was meant, not as a business, but as a tool for Christians who may otherwise fall into false doctrine and influenced by some of the fake Christian churches. I did not agree with everything, but I think his heart was in the right place. Hank, I think, is as you say in it for the money. But then again that's just my opinion. I can't say what's in his heart, but to me, he is suspect.
liarslayer 2 years ago
I'm familiar with the origin and history of CRI. How Hanegraaff came to be head of it is a very controversial topic. There is less than honorable conduct involved with the acts of Hanegraaff. I used to listen very carefully to his syndicated broadcast "The Bible answer man". It was literally nauseating to hear incessant and never-ending pitches for his latest products. Over and over and over throughout the entirety of the broadcast. It becomes very clear as to what this person is doing. Salesman
kevinneslund 2 years ago
I agree!
liarslayer 2 years ago
To be fair, I don't endeavor to attack or somehow "go after" Mr. Hanegraaff. However, I had a very informative, if not disturbing experience with him, live and on the air of his broadcast. In a nutshell, I happen to be an historian with a rather good understanding of certain religious holidays and their origin and development. I stated to him, that Christians might be interested to know that the christmas celebration has been lawfully banned a number of times throughout history and his (cont.)..
kevinneslund 2 years ago
response was..."you know as a historian that that isn't so".... I, of course, replied, "of course it has been, it was banned by the roman council in Italy, The English Parliament (in fact, it was one of the main factors in the English civil War), and, here in the U.S., it was banned by the Massachusetts Bay Colony by the Puritans". This is common knowledge to students of history. Evidently, Mr. Hanegraaff isn't one. I recorded the conversation. He later rebroadcast it after he'd edited the tape
kevinneslund 2 years ago
Well, at least some heard it the first time. Hopefully some of them got it and maybe looked into it.
liarslayer 2 years ago
Yes. I was just completely stunned upon hearing someone say something so ignorant and in such a smug, condescending fashion. However, as you've touched on, we know there had to have been at least a few people that had their interest piqued and perhaps googled what they'd heard, or, researched it. It was about a week later that I happened to hear the rebroadcast of that progam and I heard myself call in, yet, I noticed he had cleverly edited the portion where he committed a faux pas. His poor ego
kevinneslund 2 years ago
My wife thinks he's condescending also. And she said he talks over peoples heads, probably on purpose to sound more intelligent. Like when having a deep philosophical and theological dicussion on a more difficult area of scripture, he says it's very clear here that.....and everyone's like what?
liarslayer 2 years ago
I agree. He's pedantic. I'm guessing he'd perhaps like to be perceived as very well-read and highly educated, especially with regard to Scripture. It's seem as though everything is "very clear" in Scripture according to him. For example, on the topic of "hell". Biblical and lay scholars alike, agree it's undoubtedly the most vague and murkiest doctrine in Scripture. Yet, Hank will say things like, "it's very clear here that God is talking about hell" and we'll be listening and saying "what"?!.
kevinneslund 2 years ago
As for Patristics,
Polycarp
"By the word of his might [God] established all things, and by his word he can overthrow them. Who shall say to him, "What have you done?" or who shall resist the power of his strength? [Wis. 12:12]"
Hippolytus
"What is narrated here [in the story of Susannah] happened at a later time, although it is placed at the front of the book [of Daniel], for it was a custom with the writers to narrate many things in an inverted order in their writings.
this man lies
mindlessnirvanaa 2 years ago
If God determined the Cannon, if the oldest Bible is the "Codex Sinaticus" similar to septuagint with DC, if Jesus, Paul, and other NT writers quoted the Septuagint, both containing DC and if the original KJ bible 1611 had the DC, Guttenberg bible, and Luther's first translation had the DC, what God took the DC out? The Protestant bible of today has been adulterated by men, not God, not by any council.
mindlessnirvanaa 2 years ago
More significantly, and, of great note, Hanegraaff either isn't aware, or, is very negligent in mentioning the thousands of extremely poorly translated and mistranslated Bibles that have been carried out through the ages. You would really see him squirm and stutter when asked to account and explain these numerous egregious translation errors (e.g. the term "hell" and the distinctly different words used in regard to it). This is where his absence of formal scholarship is glaringly evident.
kevinneslund 2 years ago
If i were you listening to hank, i would stop and seek a pastor, this man is not right. (not saying the bible), but this man is not right.
KINGS4ME 2 years ago
If everything has a cause and a reason they exist and also a creator. Then as you say God is the creator. Who created him? Why does he not need a creator if you say everything has to have a cause.
PitbullD 2 years ago
PitbullD - Let me better state my assertion about the Creation: ALL things that HAD A BEGINNING also had a cause. Yet, God, had no beginning and existed before time began. Many Bible verses attest to God's existence preceding time (below).
"... God destined for our glory BEFORE TIME BEGAN. (1 Corinthians 2:7); "...in Christ Jesus BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME (2 Timothy 1:9); "....God... promised BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME." (Titus 1:2); "To the only God .... BEFORE ALL TIME...."(Jude 1:25)
philipatoz 2 years ago
One thing is certain, our universe and world had a beginning (Big Bang cosmology). You have nothing alive, nothing in motion, all elements of the universe compacted into a very tiny space, and then this awesome explosion occurs, eventually resulting in unfathomable mathematically complex order and life itself. WHAT / WHO caused this? Something had to be the FIRST Cause. IF there is a God powerful enough to design and plan the universe, I'd say he is powerful enough to give and protect His Word.
philipatoz 2 years ago
Actually, do yourself a favor and read some Michio Kaku or Ernst Mayr, or Einstein's own reflections on God. The Bible is a joke... a fairytale, and a cruel and intolerant one at that. Hannagraff is a foolish man with a feeble mind.
dumballover123 2 years ago
Michio Kaku said, "I think that the laws of physics are the only ones possible, that all other laws are mathematically inconsistent. Thus, God probably had no choice in creating the universe, as Einstein believed." UNBELIEVABLE! He agrees God has the unfathomable power and intelligence to create a universe, and yet was somehow limited as to HOW He did it. If God transcends all space/time dimensions, asserting He has limits - ANY limits - is the height of human arrogance!
philipatoz 2 years ago
Speaking for God, and saying one knows what God's intention for the human race is, is also supremely arrogant. Good quote, but kaku never said God transcends all space/time dimensions. Science doesn't deal with God. Humans are the only ones who claim to know his will. That can be seen as the "height of human arrogance." It seems to me, that in terms of supernatural phenomenon, the humblest opinion is to say that one does not know.
dumballover123 2 years ago
"Science doesn't deal with God" Really? Einstein (a SCIENTIST) said his quest was to "know how God thinks". Gee!
kevinneslund 2 years ago
Say, would you be so kind as to provide the readers a source or reference for seeking out the Einstein mentioned works? Thank you kindly, cheers ~
kevinneslund 2 years ago
That's right, this guy is deceptive or ignorant. 2 Peter's author is NOT known; it's added to make things better and accommodate Paul's letters which appeared before Jesus' teachings(the gospels). So, the gospels were influenced by Paul's letters (gospel); very strange. The reference to Scripture in the NT meant the Old Testament that was taught by Jesus himself. Jesus NEVER claimed to have a NT of his own; he was a Jew who taught Moses' law and the prophets in the temples; NO church. Wake up.
jamool2009 2 years ago
Just google: "Misquoting Jesus' as a book or video, written by a professor of religion studies, and see how the bibles were made by unknown men. The canon are made by men who were politically motivated. The trinity was decided by votes starting in year 325 after Jesus! They didn't even know their article of faith until then. Very strange and insulting to God and His spokesman, Jesus.
jamool2009 2 years ago