Can somebody layer the drum and flute part over the chant and sitar (or whatever that string instrument is ?) It would be interesting to see how it would coincide with the notion of multiple layers vs. singular.. Also, could it be a a chant like thing that gives the frequency or harmony a "higher" feeling..
@gabyyy Could people back then endure monophonic music alone? I have my doubts. Musicians would have improvised and extended the musical material of songs in the Ancient World, much like prog rockers today jam on for 20plus minutes from a 5 minute song.
@MushroomedAnymore Music back then was built upon a specially constructed tetrachordal system that didn't allow for multiple lines to be put on top of each other. This is due to the foundation of music being considered as a relationship to the initial tonic pitch. This is found throughout any ancient style of music outside the western world. Though there are writings from ancient Greece which describe massive orchestras, they were all playing the same line of music and a drone
@daveyflavey Somehow I seriously doubt that, it just does not make aesthetic sense. You may point out surviving texts to me, that's fine. I will allow you the academic victory. But I seriously doubt most of the music did not involve multiple players doing multiple things. Not to improvise and elaborate a song or piece is contrary to the very spirit of musicianship. We have very little surviving from the Ancient World compared to what was around at the time. I doubt our musical picture of it.
@MushroomedAnymore No, they really wouldn't have. Most cultures that still draw upon tradition in their non-popular-culture-of-the-west music are still monophonic. This is because music was never thought of as multilayered. In fact, polyphonic music only developed in western music 1000 years ago, which is relatively recently considering the history of the world.
@1awareness You shouldn't, really. In every age and every culture, popular music is pretty vulgar and bad. It can seem to you that the past was better, but that's only because we saved the best stuff.
How specific was the notation of this era? I've heard 2 interpretations of this song, and they were very similar. If notation was so advanced in ancient Greece, I find it odd that more songs have not survived?
I'm listening to this and I'm asking myself what the hell happened to my country Greece and nowadays it's nothing.I guess everything has a begging and an end.
@aTOMicotatos Greece had it's soul stripped by Christianity which stopped the people from questioning. Then it became a tourist location mocking itself for a quick buck while it's last flame Democracy was perverted by America ...That was the End.
you can blame Greece's legacy of too public spending and tax evasion.
besides, it isn't over till the fat lady sings. Maybe it will break up in to smaller City States to become more manageable which will then later unite or become a commonwealth
@petrosexual The Greeks themselves would disagree. Some of their best times were under the Christian Orthodox Byzantine Empire. Not to mention the fact that most Greeks are Orthodox today. If anything, the Greek "mode" of civilization was buried by Pagan Rome around the time of Christ, with the rise of the Roman Empire. Christianity as a legal religion emerged centuries after Cesar and Augustus, under Constantine, some three centuries after Rome conquered the Hellenistic lands.
@Nonamearisto Classic Hellenic culture survived well into the Roman empire, right up to 391 AD the Roman Emperor Theodosius who was also a Christian who made paganism illegal. Theodosius also destroyed the Great Alexandre Library of Egypt which some notable historians say was the Iconic end of the "Classic" period of Greek culture. I do agree as a Greek that Byzantine culture has been important to Greek History but Christianity stunted or reasoning and our advances in philosophy and science.
Haha if you really are Greek then I bet you must be real popular over there considering that Greece is the most Christian country I've ever been to. :-D
And m8 you gotta wake up and shut the fuck up, your country is still beautiful and rich in a cultural sense and you got to stop being a malcontent cynic.
@1503nemanja being Greek and educated in some degree in the history of my culture I am in more authority to give my opinion of the state of my culture then a Christ crusading tourist would. Greek Orthodoxy has it's place but there is no denying that Greece's golden age of inspired creativity and science had been crippled due to the shift in religious ideals that tampered with mans freedom to reason... Remember what happened to Galileo when he tried to question like the Greeks once did.
@1503nemanja All people say that greeks are very religious. But is not true. There are many atheist too. And the religious people have allways tried to supress them. There are Coutries (USA) that are far more religious. How many kinds of Christianity came from the US? How manypeople believe that "End of Days" and "Rapture" is near? When we watch these people we feel they are too religious for us too. All herecies in Greece came from the US since 1902. And are numerous... :D who is religious?
I am from Serbia a country that has 86% ( IIRC) percent of Orthodox Christians, on paper. And I say on paper because in reality very few of those people, sadly myself included, are active practitioners, they are more or less atheists who abide by a minimum of tradition.
Now when I went to Greece I saw what looked like the whole town get up early in the morning and go to church and it struck me as very religious compared to what I've seen back home.
@1503nemanja I can recall my memories from Italy. I can still recall memories from turkey. 2 different coutnries. In italy nobody sais is religius, but most of them are. Especially in the South they call small chusrches in their Pallazi. In Turkey all said they are religious ut in reallity half really believe half do it because they have to. Same in greece, I am 25, I ve never seen a guy of my age going to church except if there is a grand holiday and they got to follow...Only old people do it..
@petrosexual Rubbish.Irrespective of you religious affiliations,you cannot possibly claim Christianity stripped the Greek spirit.On the contrary it shielded it,seeing that we would now speak a Romance language or worse praise Allah's name,if our ancestors hadn't held on to their beliefs.Beyond that,it was Greek scholars and clericals who revived the Ancient Hellenic spirit through the introduction of Renaissance.
@inamerica55585 The Hymns of the Vedas (such as the Sama Veda), are chanted in a precise meter that has not changed in 5000 years. They are even older than the Song Of Solomon and they are accompanied by a notation.
The notation is called the chanda, or meter, and is announced before the recitation. these chandas were not written but handed down by word of mouth. Traditional Sama Veda and Rg Veda chanting, with proper chanda, can be heard on Youtube.
@jimmyPain2121 The greeks first invented the cd in 324BC. It was made by welding together two discs of lead together, one of which had small holes in which the laser could read the disc. Apparently the only place that could actually read discs was syracuse using a complicated set of mirrors. However, they were destroyed when the Romans invaded syracuse and their only living mechanic, Archimedes, was killed in the chaos.
There is an odd irony in what the tombstone says.
I mean, it says it is an everlasting sign of deathless remembrance, and it's survived even to this day. It's one of the best remembrances of the ancient Greeks that founded western thinking.
It makes you wonder what the story is behind the music. And it's doubtful, but did they ever think that ~35000 years after it was written, we would still listen to this and enjoy it.
@znr4123 The story as it was told to me is that Seikilos was an member of a ruling caste and he had this poem/song put on his tomb so people could sing and remember to rejoice for their own life rather than cry over his death.
Very nice... Love it, I used to listen to it on the radio many times as a child (the melody was actually a part of the ident). Πολλούς χαιρετισμούς από την Κροατία!
Where can I buy this version? It's the best I've heard by far.
Superape613 5 days ago
@Superape613 .savae.org/echoes1.html
menacingshadows 4 days ago
Can somebody layer the drum and flute part over the chant and sitar (or whatever that string instrument is ?) It would be interesting to see how it would coincide with the notion of multiple layers vs. singular.. Also, could it be a a chant like thing that gives the frequency or harmony a "higher" feeling..
2010SecondsAway 1 month ago
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Shame to you that you chosed the erasmian prononciation for the lyrics...
Only us the REAL descendants of ancient greeks can UNDERSTAND and SING
this song to its original form...
(and it's definitely not what was invented by Erasmus)
myrrinousios 1 month ago
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myrrinousios 1 month ago
Κάποια γραφόμενα εδώ κάποιον Απογόνων Αγγλοσαξόνων και Κουτόφραγκων αποτελούν Απόδειξη και Επαλήθευση του ΠΑΣ ΜΗ ΕΛΛΗΝ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΣ
mastouris69 1 month ago 3
The pronunciation is so fucked up.I can't explain you.
Εμετικό.
anaspapas 1 month ago 3
LYRICS is ancient greek:
Ὅσον ζῇς, φαίνου,
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ·
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν,
τὸ τέλος ὁ xρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.
georgekoul 2 months ago 9
0:30
lamecoverslol 2 months ago
@lamecoverslol 3:00
lamecoverslol 2 months ago
I love humanity.
lassieacid 3 months ago 12
@Jimlead coraline is not from tim burton
Anamaraith 4 months ago
Chune!
zanzibar79 5 months ago
This piece was too tampered with. It's supposed to be monophonic...pure.
gabyyy 5 months ago
@gabyyy Could people back then endure monophonic music alone? I have my doubts. Musicians would have improvised and extended the musical material of songs in the Ancient World, much like prog rockers today jam on for 20plus minutes from a 5 minute song.
MushroomedAnymore 3 months ago
@MushroomedAnymore Music back then was built upon a specially constructed tetrachordal system that didn't allow for multiple lines to be put on top of each other. This is due to the foundation of music being considered as a relationship to the initial tonic pitch. This is found throughout any ancient style of music outside the western world. Though there are writings from ancient Greece which describe massive orchestras, they were all playing the same line of music and a drone
daveyflavey 2 months ago
@daveyflavey Somehow I seriously doubt that, it just does not make aesthetic sense. You may point out surviving texts to me, that's fine. I will allow you the academic victory. But I seriously doubt most of the music did not involve multiple players doing multiple things. Not to improvise and elaborate a song or piece is contrary to the very spirit of musicianship. We have very little surviving from the Ancient World compared to what was around at the time. I doubt our musical picture of it.
MushroomedAnymore 2 months ago
@MushroomedAnymore No, they really wouldn't have. Most cultures that still draw upon tradition in their non-popular-culture-of-the-west music are still monophonic. This is because music was never thought of as multilayered. In fact, polyphonic music only developed in western music 1000 years ago, which is relatively recently considering the history of the world.
daveyflavey 2 months ago
@1awareness You shouldn't, really. In every age and every culture, popular music is pretty vulgar and bad. It can seem to you that the past was better, but that's only because we saved the best stuff.
starrodkirby 5 months ago 2
It's just disappointing that the Disney channel/pop music is so popular in my country; but not this talent music
1awareness 5 months ago
Oh gosh this brings me back to Music History class! Where I listened to this song at least 500 times. Yet, its still beautiful and so haunting.
Jennalovesrainbows 6 months ago 5
How specific was the notation of this era? I've heard 2 interpretations of this song, and they were very similar. If notation was so advanced in ancient Greece, I find it odd that more songs have not survived?
hymntonight 6 months ago
I am sorry but Song of Seikilos is NOT the oldest surviving example of a complete musical composition. Its the Hurrian hymn to Nikkal (1400 BC.)
dankwarth 6 months ago
@dankwarth The Hurrian Hymn to Nikkal is ALMOST complete, but not completely complete.
Marievska 6 months ago
@dankwarth That hymn is clearly incomplete, seeing how it is written on a fragmented tablet.
MrDarkBoy93 1 month ago
Life is still dripping from this piece. Beautiful and entrancing.
AngelzOfLife123 7 months ago
Thumbs up if you found this because of Civ 5.
caocaothedeciever 8 months ago 11
Mesmerizing..
Viecktoire 8 months ago
This song's actually great. I just didn't realise it while I had to listen to it during lectures.
RachMacwhirter 9 months ago
How could someone dislike this?
Siennistakingovernow 9 months ago 11
Civilization V brought me here.
tankhunters 10 months ago 17
I'm listening to this and I'm asking myself what the hell happened to my country Greece and nowadays it's nothing.I guess everything has a begging and an end.
aTOMicotatos 10 months ago
@aTOMicotatos Greece had it's soul stripped by Christianity which stopped the people from questioning. Then it became a tourist location mocking itself for a quick buck while it's last flame Democracy was perverted by America ...That was the End.
petrosexual 8 months ago 5
@petrosexual ?
you can blame Greece's legacy of too public spending and tax evasion.
besides, it isn't over till the fat lady sings. Maybe it will break up in to smaller City States to become more manageable which will then later unite or become a commonwealth
VolkColopatrion 8 months ago
@petrosexual The Greeks themselves would disagree. Some of their best times were under the Christian Orthodox Byzantine Empire. Not to mention the fact that most Greeks are Orthodox today. If anything, the Greek "mode" of civilization was buried by Pagan Rome around the time of Christ, with the rise of the Roman Empire. Christianity as a legal religion emerged centuries after Cesar and Augustus, under Constantine, some three centuries after Rome conquered the Hellenistic lands.
Nonamearisto 7 months ago
@Nonamearisto Classic Hellenic culture survived well into the Roman empire, right up to 391 AD the Roman Emperor Theodosius who was also a Christian who made paganism illegal. Theodosius also destroyed the Great Alexandre Library of Egypt which some notable historians say was the Iconic end of the "Classic" period of Greek culture. I do agree as a Greek that Byzantine culture has been important to Greek History but Christianity stunted or reasoning and our advances in philosophy and science.
petrosexual 7 months ago
@petrosexual
Haha if you really are Greek then I bet you must be real popular over there considering that Greece is the most Christian country I've ever been to. :-D
And m8 you gotta wake up and shut the fuck up, your country is still beautiful and rich in a cultural sense and you got to stop being a malcontent cynic.
Nemanja
1503nemanja 6 months ago
@1503nemanja being Greek and educated in some degree in the history of my culture I am in more authority to give my opinion of the state of my culture then a Christ crusading tourist would. Greek Orthodoxy has it's place but there is no denying that Greece's golden age of inspired creativity and science had been crippled due to the shift in religious ideals that tampered with mans freedom to reason... Remember what happened to Galileo when he tried to question like the Greeks once did.
petrosexual 6 months ago 2
@1503nemanja All people say that greeks are very religious. But is not true. There are many atheist too. And the religious people have allways tried to supress them. There are Coutries (USA) that are far more religious. How many kinds of Christianity came from the US? How manypeople believe that "End of Days" and "Rapture" is near? When we watch these people we feel they are too religious for us too. All herecies in Greece came from the US since 1902. And are numerous... :D who is religious?
YiannisThiakos 5 months ago
@YiannisThiakos
I am from Serbia a country that has 86% ( IIRC) percent of Orthodox Christians, on paper. And I say on paper because in reality very few of those people, sadly myself included, are active practitioners, they are more or less atheists who abide by a minimum of tradition.
Now when I went to Greece I saw what looked like the whole town get up early in the morning and go to church and it struck me as very religious compared to what I've seen back home.
1503nemanja 5 months ago
@1503nemanja I can recall my memories from Italy. I can still recall memories from turkey. 2 different coutnries. In italy nobody sais is religius, but most of them are. Especially in the South they call small chusrches in their Pallazi. In Turkey all said they are religious ut in reallity half really believe half do it because they have to. Same in greece, I am 25, I ve never seen a guy of my age going to church except if there is a grand holiday and they got to follow...Only old people do it..
YiannisThiakos 5 months ago
@petrosexual Rubbish.Irrespective of you religious affiliations,you cannot possibly claim Christianity stripped the Greek spirit.On the contrary it shielded it,seeing that we would now speak a Romance language or worse praise Allah's name,if our ancestors hadn't held on to their beliefs.Beyond that,it was Greek scholars and clericals who revived the Ancient Hellenic spirit through the introduction of Renaissance.
JeanMaria93 3 months ago
I love it!!
Viridiana123 11 months ago
A more modern translation that follows the prosody of the original:
All through life -- Shine on!
Let nothing dampen your fire;
We have but a short while to live,
Until the end that time will desire.
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odniwr 1 year ago
Beautiful.
ELSuperJake 1 year ago
What about the Song of Solomon? Does that not count as music?
inamerica55585 1 year ago
@inamerica55585
what about it? its like if you write on song of bob marley "Hey, does Lee Perry not count as a musician?"
petrsonpicus 10 months ago
@petrsonpicus Wouldn't the song of Solomon be older than this? I don't know. If this is supposed to be the oldest recorded music in the world.
inamerica55585 10 months ago
@inamerica55585 The Hymns of the Vedas (such as the Sama Veda), are chanted in a precise meter that has not changed in 5000 years. They are even older than the Song Of Solomon and they are accompanied by a notation.
The notation is called the chanda, or meter, and is announced before the recitation. these chandas were not written but handed down by word of mouth. Traditional Sama Veda and Rg Veda chanting, with proper chanda, can be heard on Youtube.
TheUnconquerableSun 9 months ago
@inamerica55585 But I recognize that this video refers to the oldest complete composition with notation and lyrics in the modern artistic style.
TheUnconquerableSun 9 months ago
So who wants to do the remix of this?
ukSway 1 year ago
amazing piece.
thakorekar 1 year ago
This is seriously the most fascinating thing I think I've ever found on the internet.
woagas 1 year ago 14
This would be good Civilization game theme.
OfferTh 1 year ago 3
@OfferTh It IS a Civilization game theme! Check the soundtrack for the Greeks in Civilization V :)
RCT3Enthusiast 1 year ago 3
@OfferTh its already be in Civilization
georgekoul 2 months ago
Didn't the movie "Coraline" use this song?
doeggu 1 year ago
@doeggu yes!! it was in Coraline.ancient greek music in hollywood movie,awesome
georgekoul 2 months ago
I find this relaxing. Now i want to use a robe for some reason.
niniomigrania 1 year ago 7
Gorgeous video!!
nameofthepen 1 year ago 2
wow this song say is the older of all the time
matitias1 1 year ago
wow recording equipment was pretty good back then!
jimmyPain2121 1 year ago 153
@jimmyPain2121 The greeks first invented the cd in 324BC. It was made by welding together two discs of lead together, one of which had small holes in which the laser could read the disc. Apparently the only place that could actually read discs was syracuse using a complicated set of mirrors. However, they were destroyed when the Romans invaded syracuse and their only living mechanic, Archimedes, was killed in the chaos.
andrewkilroyable 5 months ago
@jimmyPain2121 Yes! Elvis was just getting started at the time of Plato, wonderful we still have some recordings from back then!!! ;-)
MushroomedAnymore 3 months ago
That hits me deep.
zan25051 1 year ago
There is an odd irony in what the tombstone says.
I mean, it says it is an everlasting sign of deathless remembrance, and it's survived even to this day. It's one of the best remembrances of the ancient Greeks that founded western thinking.
inamerica55585 1 year ago
@inamerica55585 That is the opposite of irony.
jobloe3393 1 year ago 27
@jobloe3393 yeah, irony wasn't the right word for it. Maybe I don't think Seikilos thought it would last that long.
inamerica55585 1 year ago
It makes you wonder what the story is behind the music. And it's doubtful, but did they ever think that ~35000 years after it was written, we would still listen to this and enjoy it.
znr4123 1 year ago 2
@znr4123
or ~2000 years.. whichever.
znr4123 1 year ago
@znr4123 The story as it was told to me is that Seikilos was an member of a ruling caste and he had this poem/song put on his tomb so people could sing and remember to rejoice for their own life rather than cry over his death.
olishant 1 year ago 6
This is absolutely incredible. Beautiful piece of history.
9ner 1 year ago
Very nice... Love it, I used to listen to it on the radio many times as a child (the melody was actually a part of the ident). Πολλούς χαιρετισμούς από την Κροατία!
scorpiostorm 1 year ago 2
Bravo kouklitsa......katapliktiko!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago