They are rallying for MERCY? Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that a heavy sentence should serve as "revenge" for that family. But let's give him a punishment that's appropriate to his crime. He killed a young man. He took at least 40yrs off that young man's life. He should serve 40yrs in prison.
40 years would be a ridiculous sentence. Most people who accidentally take a life--even if resulting from voluntary manslaughter--don't serve anywhere near that much time.
Mehserle shouldn't get much more than the minimum. It was an accidental shooting to begin with, it was his very first offense, and he's not a danger to the community (unlike Grant). All of that has to be taken into consideration.
@DetectiveCrockett77 Ridiculous sentence? Is it not ridiculous that a "trained professional" shot that boy to death? That family deserves some justice. I'm not talking about revenge. I'm talking about what's appropriate. If I get into a car accident, I'm still culpable even if I had no malice to cause the accident. I'm subject to fines, retribution costs & in worst scenarios depending in what was negligible, jail. Right? So why aren't you holding this man to the same metric?
You're being just as simpleminded as everyone else on your side of the argument.
Whether he's a "trained professional" or not makes absolutely no difference. It was clearly an accidental shooting, which was due to his negligence, which in turn makes it involuntary manslaughter. 40 years is FAR too long a sentence for involuntary manslaughter of ANY sort, especially for a first-time offender.
@DetectiveCrockett77 My side of the argument is finding some measure of justice for the kid's family. I'm not talking about revenge. I'm talking about punishment that fits the crime (or criminal recklessnes in this case). I'm not talking about revenge. YOU are trying to put Oscar on trial.
I don't care if it's a 1st offense. I care that a young man is dead for naught. The fact that Mehserle is TRAINED is what's PARAMOUNT here. In any other professional setting, the same metric applies.
Son, I honestly don't want to be condescending here, but like most of the people commenting about this, you clearly don't know this issue like I do. You keep saying "a punishment that fits the crime"; I just gave it to you.
And I don't know where you're getting that I'm putting Oscar on trial. I wasn't. I'm just telling it like it is, and I'm doing so from a position of genuine knowledge of the subject.
@DetectiveCrockett77 You're in no position to call anyone son here. I'm a 35yo man who has his own kids. Like I said, this kid lost his life & his family nees to know that the boy doesn't summarily get killed by stupidity & the authorities do nothing.
@DetectiveCrockett77 You're hysterical. I'm 3yrs older than you & you're trying to call me "son" & condescend me. You go by "detective" but you weren't even savvy to simply click your mouse & see the person with whom you're speaking? I know I look young but REALLY blew that 1.
I can sleep safely knowing dumbasses like you are out trolling to keep taxpayers, honest Americans & law-abiding citizens safe.
Again, you don't want to hear it, but I'll reiterate: Mehserle's being a "trained professional" means nothing insofar as murder goes. Common sense should tell you that, even if you know nothing about the law. If it's an accidental shooting, it doesn't matter one iota that Mehserle was "trained," "professional," or both, and it doesn't even matter that he was a cop in the first place. An accidental killing is not murder--end of story.
@DetectiveCrockett77 Moron. The fact that he was a trained professional is what put the gun in his hand in the 1st place. His gun is a tool use don his job. His training is what makes the difference between assault (if it were Joe Schmoe holding the gun) and operating procedure of a cop. If you're gonna tell me otherwise, I'll suggest you go around accidentally shooting unarmed kids who are laying face down & see what the law thinks about that. Moron.
I won this argument. Know how I know? The fact that you were the first to resort to the namecalling. It almost always serves as an admission of defeat. But honestly, I'd rather just be civil and tell you where you're wrong.
The fact that Mehserle was a cop at the time of the shooting doesn't singlehandedly make this a crime, much less murder. If it were "Joe Schmoe" holding the gun, it wouldn't make a difference, at least in that particular respect.
Now, if you're going to contend that "Joe Schmoe" would face OTHER charges for handling a gun, which would be different than those faced by an officer of the law, then that's a different ballgame. The "Joe Schmoe" may not be licensed to carry, for instance. But in terms of actually shooting someone with it, or killing them, it makes no difference. The law applies equally both ways.
@DetectiveCrockett77 And you're grossly incorrect about 1 thing: he IS a danger to the community. For 1, he showed no contrition after the act. I'm no psychologist but that smacks of sociopathy to me. Also, the fact that he'd be on the street with the possibility of some knucklehead seeing him & causing a riot (or even commit a murder) MAKES him a liability to the community at large. Don't tell me that riots haven't happened when cops get exonerated. Stop trying to put a dead man on trial here.
No, YOU are grossly incorrect. Mehserle had no criminal record prior to this incident. And as far as "showing contrition," you really have no way of knowing that. We don't see everything that's taking place, you know. You people just keep making mindless assumptions that have no grounds. I'm quite certain Mehserle deeply regrets what he did.
As for your claim that someone would riot if he were on the street, wouldn't THAT person be the danger to the community?
@DetectiveCrockett77 A criminal record doesn't make a difference here. He KILLED a man. I've plenty of evidence as far a contrition goes: he didn't even tell his co-workers that it was an accident. He took his leave & boogied out of state. Indeed we don't see everything that's happenig but there's evidence to see here as well. It appears YOUR simpleminded ass is ignoring what's evident.
A man lost his life & the triggerman took it. You're trying to chalk up culpability to random shenanigans.
Yes it does make a difference--a big one. He killed a man ACCIDENTALLY. That also makes a huge difference. We're not talking about cold-blooded murder. We're talking about involuntary manslaughter, and even that's debatable, to a point.
Now, if it WERE murder, then you'd be right. But it wasn't. A standard sentence for a first time offender convicted of involuntary manslaughter is two years, and sometimes just probation.
@DetectiveCrockett77 That may have been the conviction but damned if the prosecutors shouldn't have pressed for crim-neg. I read it just fine. I;'m talking bout what's just.
@DetectiveCrockett7 This poor boy upabittoolate is a loser. Unfortanetely he lives in a delusional world where he thinks he is some authority or knowledgeable person.
He claims to be a teacher. If you have ever wondered why the schools are failing, he and others like him would be the reason.
They are rallying for MERCY? Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that a heavy sentence should serve as "revenge" for that family. But let's give him a punishment that's appropriate to his crime. He killed a young man. He took at least 40yrs off that young man's life. He should serve 40yrs in prison.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
40 years would be a ridiculous sentence. Most people who accidentally take a life--even if resulting from voluntary manslaughter--don't serve anywhere near that much time.
Mehserle shouldn't get much more than the minimum. It was an accidental shooting to begin with, it was his very first offense, and he's not a danger to the community (unlike Grant). All of that has to be taken into consideration.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 Ridiculous sentence? Is it not ridiculous that a "trained professional" shot that boy to death? That family deserves some justice. I'm not talking about revenge. I'm talking about what's appropriate. If I get into a car accident, I'm still culpable even if I had no malice to cause the accident. I'm subject to fines, retribution costs & in worst scenarios depending in what was negligible, jail. Right? So why aren't you holding this man to the same metric?
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
You're being just as simpleminded as everyone else on your side of the argument.
Whether he's a "trained professional" or not makes absolutely no difference. It was clearly an accidental shooting, which was due to his negligence, which in turn makes it involuntary manslaughter. 40 years is FAR too long a sentence for involuntary manslaughter of ANY sort, especially for a first-time offender.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 My side of the argument is finding some measure of justice for the kid's family. I'm not talking about revenge. I'm talking about punishment that fits the crime (or criminal recklessnes in this case). I'm not talking about revenge. YOU are trying to put Oscar on trial.
I don't care if it's a 1st offense. I care that a young man is dead for naught. The fact that Mehserle is TRAINED is what's PARAMOUNT here. In any other professional setting, the same metric applies.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
Son, I honestly don't want to be condescending here, but like most of the people commenting about this, you clearly don't know this issue like I do. You keep saying "a punishment that fits the crime"; I just gave it to you.
And I don't know where you're getting that I'm putting Oscar on trial. I wasn't. I'm just telling it like it is, and I'm doing so from a position of genuine knowledge of the subject.
(cont'd)
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 You're in no position to call anyone son here. I'm a 35yo man who has his own kids. Like I said, this kid lost his life & his family nees to know that the boy doesn't summarily get killed by stupidity & the authorities do nothing.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
"Son," it's an expression, nothing more. Jeez.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 Horseshit. You thought you had some traction. So on top of all else, you're not even honest?
You have no integrity. You forfeited the conversation.
Peace.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 You're hysterical. I'm 3yrs older than you & you're trying to call me "son" & condescend me. You go by "detective" but you weren't even savvy to simply click your mouse & see the person with whom you're speaking? I know I look young but REALLY blew that 1.
I can sleep safely knowing dumbasses like you are out trolling to keep taxpayers, honest Americans & law-abiding citizens safe.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
I did click your profile. Like I said, it's an EXPRESSION.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
(from before)
Again, you don't want to hear it, but I'll reiterate: Mehserle's being a "trained professional" means nothing insofar as murder goes. Common sense should tell you that, even if you know nothing about the law. If it's an accidental shooting, it doesn't matter one iota that Mehserle was "trained," "professional," or both, and it doesn't even matter that he was a cop in the first place. An accidental killing is not murder--end of story.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 Moron. The fact that he was a trained professional is what put the gun in his hand in the 1st place. His gun is a tool use don his job. His training is what makes the difference between assault (if it were Joe Schmoe holding the gun) and operating procedure of a cop. If you're gonna tell me otherwise, I'll suggest you go around accidentally shooting unarmed kids who are laying face down & see what the law thinks about that. Moron.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
I won this argument. Know how I know? The fact that you were the first to resort to the namecalling. It almost always serves as an admission of defeat. But honestly, I'd rather just be civil and tell you where you're wrong.
The fact that Mehserle was a cop at the time of the shooting doesn't singlehandedly make this a crime, much less murder. If it were "Joe Schmoe" holding the gun, it wouldn't make a difference, at least in that particular respect.
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DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
(from before)
Now, if you're going to contend that "Joe Schmoe" would face OTHER charges for handling a gun, which would be different than those faced by an officer of the law, then that's a different ballgame. The "Joe Schmoe" may not be licensed to carry, for instance. But in terms of actually shooting someone with it, or killing them, it makes no difference. The law applies equally both ways.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 And you're grossly incorrect about 1 thing: he IS a danger to the community. For 1, he showed no contrition after the act. I'm no psychologist but that smacks of sociopathy to me. Also, the fact that he'd be on the street with the possibility of some knucklehead seeing him & causing a riot (or even commit a murder) MAKES him a liability to the community at large. Don't tell me that riots haven't happened when cops get exonerated. Stop trying to put a dead man on trial here.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
No, YOU are grossly incorrect. Mehserle had no criminal record prior to this incident. And as far as "showing contrition," you really have no way of knowing that. We don't see everything that's taking place, you know. You people just keep making mindless assumptions that have no grounds. I'm quite certain Mehserle deeply regrets what he did.
As for your claim that someone would riot if he were on the street, wouldn't THAT person be the danger to the community?
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 A criminal record doesn't make a difference here. He KILLED a man. I've plenty of evidence as far a contrition goes: he didn't even tell his co-workers that it was an accident. He took his leave & boogied out of state. Indeed we don't see everything that's happenig but there's evidence to see here as well. It appears YOUR simpleminded ass is ignoring what's evident.
A man lost his life & the triggerman took it. You're trying to chalk up culpability to random shenanigans.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
Yes it does make a difference--a big one. He killed a man ACCIDENTALLY. That also makes a huge difference. We're not talking about cold-blooded murder. We're talking about involuntary manslaughter, and even that's debatable, to a point.
Now, if it WERE murder, then you'd be right. But it wasn't. A standard sentence for a first time offender convicted of involuntary manslaughter is two years, and sometimes just probation.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 The standard sentence for criminial recklessnes is 10yrs. Criminal negligence carries 4-5yrs in CA. Learn some law you putz.
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
Right, but I was talking about involuntary manslaughter. Learn how to read, putz.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 That may have been the conviction but damned if the prosecutors shouldn't have pressed for crim-neg. I read it just fine. I;'m talking bout what's just.
You really aren't that bright are you?
upabittoolate 1 year ago
@upabittoolate
My friend, I know what I'm talking about. You can continue your lame attempts to "school" me all you want; you're still wrong.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 You got schooled.
upabittoolate 2 months ago
@upabittoolate
After more than a year, you come back at me with this. Wow.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 months ago
@DetectiveCrockett7 This poor boy upabittoolate is a loser. Unfortanetely he lives in a delusional world where he thinks he is some authority or knowledgeable person.
He claims to be a teacher. If you have ever wondered why the schools are failing, he and others like him would be the reason.
mueygringo 2 weeks ago
@upabittoolate IDIOT!!!
mueygringo 2 weeks ago