Universal Health Care = Socialized Medicine

[iimadness]

"Government is the problems, we all need to be reminded that the Federal Government didnt make the states, the states made the Federal Government" Ronald Reagan

[777equals666]

Look on page 1001 - 1007 on the current US Health Care Bill and you will see a little program called, "National Medical Device Registry" sponsored by IBM and Positive ID.

Obama and Friends want all Americans to have a microchip implanted into their bodies that will legally allow us to receive Medical Care, Commerce (Purchase Any Items) and Travel Nationally/Internationally.

We get monitored 24 hours a day and as a direct result, lose all privacy and get forced into a New World Order!

[hadenufnow]

Kill the 3000 page Mandate Health Care Bill..

Nobody Wants it..

[D1x0NH1ll]

Hmmm.

Well I agree that no system is perfect and that tax payed healthcare does make Joe Average pay for some weird things.

It's also a fact that the quality of healthcare is lacking in one way or the other in even the richest of the examples,(my home) Norway.

(see; hallway patients)

However it seems come from mismanagement rather then the source of the money flow.(never enough)

Still you make some very good point and I think we agree that there is always room for improvement everywhere.

[YogaNate79]

I will refuse to support universal healthcare. I do not want the United States to become another socialist regime like Canada, the UK, or France where big government controls and runs every facets of our lives. Believe me, the Brits and Canadians pay high taxes for it, and dearly. No thank you. I am not one of the lazy masses who mooches off of the government health programs. I got an education, got a job, and work hard with good benefits.

[professorenigma]

Canada's health care system is indeed a train wreck. They rank 24th out of 28 in doctors per thousand, waiting times continue to increase despite massive increases in health care spending and Albert's provincial budget is on the brink of bankruptcy. The UK isn't fainr much better. In the US you are far more likely to get an organ transplant and you are far more likely to have a one-year survival than in the UK.

freewebs..com/professor_enigma­/universalhealthcare..htm

[srflaxu40]

i usually hate you, but right now i love you.

[srflaxu40]

a rich bitch taking away incentive from some of the hardest workers and most intelligent in the population.

[hardhittn63]

No good argument for socialism exists......WA!

[Nadav34]

FIGHT FOR SOCIALISM!!

[srflaxu40]

i'm against socialized medicine...

[srflaxu40]

please... for the sake of medical research and the hope that the coming century can bring a little more peace to the world.  no socialized medicine... we must advance together. this will lock us in solitaire.

[Xycopixie]

We do pay firemen to cut people out of houses- that is government control.

[Schemefighter]

Xycopixie: What are you talking about, do you mean like when someone is too fat and needs to go to the hospital, but they're too fat to get out of the House because they're fatter than the doorway or hallway? I saw a documentary where a person that too big to fit in an ambulance. So they used a truck with a Tommy lift.

[Schemefighter]

Xycopixie: Your comment seems to be off-topic. If it is on topic could you please elaborate?

[SevenSins005]

As a side note, the two democratic front runners both have health plans that are expensive and just pile on more debt into the black hole of America's national debt problem.

[SevenSins005]

what do you, as a person, want: affordibility or do you want to be FORCED by government to have that insurance or nothing at all.

[arnejess]

Take a look at fx Sweden..

[Schemefighter]

Arnejess: Sweden is pretty much an exception to the rule. Thanks to their numbered bank accounts and long history of neutrality (and wartime profiteering) they have a rich banking industry that they can tax to support their health care needs without destroying their economy. Swedish health care is exceptionally good for socialized medicine. Though in some ways it still lacks. If you ignore the Swedish health care system, most other socialized medicine is lousy.

[axisboldas]

Or France, their healthcare is rated best in the world.

[Schemefighter]

I think that depends on how you rate health care. From what I hear France health care is pretty good but still full of shortcomings. In some ways the US health care is still rated best in the world. Even though health care is expensive in the US, people that can afford the best, come from around the world to the US for health care.

[joonski]

the problem is that health cares time to time deny necessary surgeries. That kills people regardless the quality of medicare. That's business and field of that cannot interfere with medicare, which deals with human lives.

[ClownFight]

Schemefighter, you have confused Switzerland with Sweden. They're nowhere near each other.

The world needs the US to continue with your very expensive and highly profitable medical system. US drug companies will spend money to develop new drugs and medical research will be well funded as long as health care is a strong financial performer.

This way the rest of the world can enjoy low cost socialized health care using drugs and technology from the USA which YOU have paid for the develoment of.

[Schemefighter]

ClownFight: Duhh my bad. You're right, I must have been tired and had a liberal moment. Have more then I care to admit. Hehe. Thanks for your correction.

I agree with your other point too.