i cant tell if your talking or reading, shit aint normal man. and if a dude is gonna have sex with somebody he deserves to know if she was once a dude..use your head its inhumane to deceive somebody like that. total mindfuck maybe that 1% wouldnt mind fucking a chick that was once a dude but i sure as hell would mind if i had sex with a trans woman
AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, if someone gets with someone and doesn't know they are trans, then later discovers that they are, the trans will be the one a hell of a lot more dissapointed and will have shot themselves in the foot from not saying something in the first place (as if being transgender isn't shooting yourself in the foot as it is... )
You should stick to religion, you at no point take into account alcohol, which makes you go with people that are downright disgusting. Which kind of explains why we need telling.
And as for asking a potential partner: Do you honestly expect me to ask a potential partner if they are trans? Most people would think it was some kind of joke. I believe that if you are trans and you want a serious relationship (beyond going out and having a ball), it is your responsibility to tell me - I wouldn't be able to trust you otherwise. I wouldn't run away if you told me, but then again, I probably wouldn't have been worth it anyway if I did.
It's true: Nobody is being exposed to any horrible diseases, nobody is being dragged into some horrible act. But, there is great potential for some hurt feelings if the partner somehow finds out later. If you want to be in a long term relationship with someone, why wouldn't you tell them you're trans? I wouldn't have a problem with my partner being trans, but I certainly wouldn't be able to trust them if they didn't tell me such a thing.
@janeyanna but quite a lot of the time are very biased and one-sided which makes the whole thing a lot less likely to be taken on board by someone who doesn't.
Another great Video. I think if a guy wants to know, he should ask himself. but I don't know why it is such a big deal. Of course gender to me is not a big deal at all. I like people for who they are, personality and what not. And I don't think trans woman should be blamed for being afraid to say they were born men. I mean look at all the hate in the world!
I think I understand ZJ here and correct me if I'm missing a point somewhere (other than the religious bigots, y'all can just fuck off now, thank you.) I'm using ZJ just to have a reference. ZJ was born male, but every fibre of her being says she's female. If the core of her being is female, then why does the mistake of her birth have any bearing on who she is now? And if that's the case, and she wants to forget THAT even happened, why should she be forced to acknowledge a mistake of birth?
Uhm I'm a gay man and have no problem with the trans community, but if you are trans, you should tell your partner... Just because no one asked if your trans, doesn't mean you're not lying.
@OhDangBro I find this a growth topic for myself. I am hetero, and I am fully supportive of the GLBT movement. Honestly, I can't imagine the torture a person goes thru, seeing him/herself as one gender, but being physically another. Let's just take ZJ for example since this is her channel. She's a beautiful person and looks to be an excellent specimen of womanhood. How is her past, should she decide not to disclose it, make her any less what she is?
You say that trans-women do not fall short of being real women. This is wrong. It makes sense that a lay person might look at the two genders and consider the most obvious external sex organ, the genitalia, the defining factor in what makes someone a man or woman, and therefore, if you can change THE APPEARANCE of that organ, you therefore change your gender. Really, this isn't how gender is defined. It's biological. You cannot change your gender. Birds don't have penises. How can they be male?
@Forseti6288 This isn't to say that I have any issue with the lack of disclosure you've proposed. I'm fine with that. I'm not speakign about morality. I'm only speaking about facts here. Saying "We're REAL women" is an emotional argument, based on insecurity, and it's clearly wrong. They should just be comfortable to act, dress and be like society says women should be, if that's how they'd like to be, and all the while admitting they are men. This would be a more secure way to be.
A transexual woman is really a man. A transexual woman doesn't have ovaries and has a Y chromosome. I mean a person can make their cat look like a dog but that doesn't mean the cat is really a dog.
@saltheadd When you meet someone, do you have them tested to see if they have two X chromosomes and ovaries? I bet you don't. Because if you did, you might notice that some cis women do not have them, or have a Y chromosome, and some men DO have them and have two X's, but you'd never know it just from looking at them. Probably they don't even know it. Logic and reality does not support your bigotry.
You realize that a transwoman can be only attracted to cisgender men. The transwoman can be mad if it is found out that the partner is not a cisgender man.
@saltheadd Sounds like a straw man blanket statement that you have no proof of or even any real knowledge of. Trans people date each other sometimes, some are gay, some are lesbian, some are asexual, some don't care about sex at all. If a transwoman in your hypothetical scenario were upset about that, it would mean she does not believe in gender identity and, as a result, probably isn't trans. This just sounds like what a cis person (you) assumes other people think.
The bigotry in the comments kind of proves the point even more than your video. It's a knee jerk reaction for most, it looks like. I totally would not disclose my previous gender if I was a post op trans prior to having sex. Sure, in the natural course of my relationship, I would, just like I disclosed to my husband that I have a crazy family, that I may not be able to have children, that I watch bad horror movies. It's just not something you have to disclose right away.
Thus... 'private parts' are for 'intimate disclosures' of strictly 'surprises of joy' of the ENLIGHTENED, and NOT the unreasonable PRESUMPTIONS or expected ASSUMPTIONS of the ignorant masses (socially or culturally).
V) If one has just X chromosomes, the body says: Hey, Wolffian half, you can take a permanent sabbatical... and Müllerian half, go ahead, all is clear for Vagina/Uteran development.
P) If one has just a Y chromosome and Z (Testosterone Sensitivity), the body says: Hey, Müllerian half, we're going ahead without you, you can take a permanent sabbatical... and Wolffian half, better get going, for Penile development.
Expecting the non-trans partner to ask is assuming that he has even been exposed to the existence of the LGBT community in the first place. Remember that some people are, in fact, very secluded in their world knowledge and beliefs. These are people who have been sheltered from such information by their families because the parents themselves believe anything and everything LGBT is morally reprehensible. So how are they to know to ask when they've never been exposed to the concept before?
This is brilliant. It's absolutely spot-on. The analogy I'd draw (almost identical to yours) is with an Ashkenazi Jew in Weimar Germany. Does she have an obligation to disclose her religion in a viciously anti-Semitic environment just so anti-Semites can avoid accidentally sleeping with a Jew? Hell no. And neither do post-op trans women have any obligation to disclose their past.
@felipesegund0 Wiemar Germany wasn't a 'viciously anti-semitic' environment. It wasn't until Uncle Adolf rolled in, and the Wiemar Republic came to a close that rampant anti-semitism reared it's ugly head. In fact Wiemar Germany was one of the most progressive and liberal European countries at that time. All forms, versions and varieties of sexuality were explored, all manner of music, art, learning and philosophical teaching were being taught-I think you mean The Third Reich?
@felipesegund0 that is an absolutely terrible comparison. the jew cannot help being a jew, but the "trans" chose to be a "trans" and obviously would be perpetuating a kind of fraud against a man who expected to be with a natural woman.
@kmzstube No we didn't you fucking ignorant moron. I guess your going to say something stupid ignorant like I had a choice to transition. Yes. either live as hellish life or a less hellish one. Yippie! People also have a choice to be intolerant or tolerant. It's funny how people react to being with a transperson only when they are told about there past. Just choose not to get angry. That's what I'm going to tell people from now on:)
It's OK Zinnia, you wouldn't have to worry about disclosure. You are clearly trans and if anyone decided to take you home, they would most definately be into a more masculine female or trans type. The only scenario that I worry about is when alcohol or drugs are involved, however this is also an issue with heterosexual "nightclub" predators in addition to transexuals.
This is why you should always know the beliefs of someone you're going to go to bed with so you never go to bed with anyone who is crazier than you are.
I could understand a man who would want to be told if a woman he was engaged with was trans-gendered, but in my case, it really doesn't matter. I don't love a person for his or her gender or sexual identity, I love them because of their personality, which isn't in any way necessarily changed by the fact that, for example, the woman I'm in a relationship with used to be a man.
4:50 Bingo. The video didn't win me over on this topic; in this case i have to side with concerns of the majority over those of the minority. Expecting people to drop their gender norms is a bit much to ask. The thought of sleeping with someone who was once a man repulses me, as much as i can respect this person in every other aspect.
The thought that somebody was once a man is what is rubbish in the first place, as evidence has demonstrated time again that females who were born transsexual have feminized brains which react in the same way as stereotypical female brains do to arousing material. So to be more accurate, a former transsexual was only reproductively male, not 'a man' -- reproduction is only one aspect of biological sex. The transgender community is fail for not explaining this properly.
I rationally responded to a load of these comments and then I gave up, so so many idiots. . . Anyway I agree with everything you said in this video, I think you're awesome.
@ivancito7790 Nope, I think Zinnia is awesome because he stands up for Trans rights. Also no I don't have a crush, wouldn't be a bad thing if I did but Zinnia is actually a bit too feminine for my tastes.
@IsThatEtchas are you going to keep replying to my posts trying to start a LOL2DEEP4U argument on the internet?
I already said what I think of this queer... He's an attention seeking pretentious faggot, his argument is ridiculous and tryhard. He's trying hard to shove his ideals down other peoples throats... No people will NOT accept trannies.
@ivancito7790 Well you were'nt actually making points. You were just insulting people. Being intelligent is not the same as being pretentious. If you have no problem with gay people, why do you continue to use faggot as an insult? .Zinnia isn't trans. Well I have been accepted by my friends and I'm Trans, If someone has traditional values, why would they be having casual sex in the first place? If someone is attracted to a Trans Person or a Transperson is attracted to someone else~
@ivancito7790 ~It is really none of your concern. Really other than you saying Trans people having sex with anyone who isn't also LGBT is bad, I don't really know what point you're trying to make.
Also, how is someone making a webcam video of a logical argument and uploading it to youtube "shoving" something down your throat? The only thing going down your throat is a black man's penis. Just sayin'.
@ApplesThatRead You should maybe know, then, that many trans people find "trannies" offensive. Not all do. Maybe the ones you know are ok with it, so that's why I'm letting you know now that there are many who aren't. So while it might be somewhat ok to call them that, it's not really ok to call others that. Thank you. This was in no way intended to be rude or attack you.
@IsThatEtchas Why? they are built on deception, and even id they were honest too boot, they still wouldn't be accepted, because a lot of people still stick to traditional values when it comes to sexuality. The main difference b/w trannies and fags, is that fags tend to wanna stick amongst themselves (when it comes to sex), trannies on the other hand, try to fit in to the traditional society with "modern" values. And before you even start, No I dont have a problem with gay people, on the contrar
@ivancito7790 They're not built on "deception". I am Trans and I want my body to be more masculine so I feel more comfortable and happy within my own skin. If I am happy with my body and I don't pass, I couldn't give a shit. This is for my own personal happiness. I have certainly never decieved anyone. If someone sees me as Male that is not a lie because Male is what I identify as.
I'm not sure I COMPLETELY agree with you. I think it shouldn't be a problem, but I can understand wanting to know and expecting my significant other to tell me. I'm certain I would not leave my girlfriend if she told me she was born a man. I just can understand someone feeling a little betrayed. When you care about someone, I think it's natural to share life details. As far as just a sexual encounter, I don't think they should ID themselves at all. Long-term, gotta disagree.
@jont43 Long term, I agree with you. Since being Transgender is such a long and hard road, if you left all that out to a person you were in love with then it could be counted as a type of deception, Just like not telling someone you have CF or something like that. But not telling someone would be more out of fear than anything else. Also a Transwoman was not born a "man". I'm a Transguy and I was stuck in a pink blanket and told I was female but I ain't and I never was.
So if asking someone if they're trans shouldn't be derogatory? So if I tell you, you look and sound like a man, you wouldn't be offended right? Get real.
I fully support you. Everything you have said that I have thus far heard has been amazing and I have previously thought about this particular matter in detail. Why dump someone you have been naturally attracted to over that? It is quite mad.
I'm pro trans and all that, but depending on your criteria for "woman," a post op tran would not have a functioning uterus or the normal hormone balance of a biological female...wouldn't that make them technically "less than a woman?" Don't get me wrong, I've met many trans people I personally found very attractive, and I would acknowledge them as any gender they wanted. But they certainly aren't "women" in a biological sense. Not that that's a value judgment or anything. What do you think?
@allhailkingarthur Post-op trans-women would have to have been on hormone therapy for quite some time so yes, they would have the same hormone balance as a cis-gender woman. And if a functioning uterus is necessary to be considered a "whole woman," then you are excluding many, many cis-gender women who have had hysterectomies from this particular definition of "woman."
@SailorSolarstar well, and i'm being purely semantic here, but whether or not the uterus is "functioning" would not tip the scale for me. I'm simply referring to the genitals that a human was born with. That, to me, determines someone's biological gender in a major way. Like I said, I'm pro trans and pro genderqueer and all that, but I do, on a personal level, find genital surgery to be a form of mutilation. Don't mistake that for me passing any sort of moral judgment, I just wish...
...people didn't suffer so severely they felt they needed to take such extreme measures to be happy. I mean, I sympathize because of my own body issues. I guess all I can say is I'm grateful that for me it's simply a matter of weight and doesn't require drastic surgery to achieve what I perceive to be body comfort. I don't envy that pain. I really don't.
@allhailkingarthur Well, unfortunately the fact of the matter is that some people do. But if you don't find anything wrong with it in any sort of way, why the need to label re-assignment surgery as "body mutilation"? Even if on a purely technical level it is (medically or otherwise which I'm not sure of one way or the other), why does this level of semantics need to be brought up in the context of personal interaction with another person (or potential partner)?
@allhailkingarthur Lulz, I think the surgery that helps Trans people is mutilation but I'm not passing judgement... It's not mutilation, nothing that has such positive and life changing consequences can be seen as mutilation. Also ya know, people can do what they like with their own bodies because It's their body, You only get one of them. Might as well try and make yourself as happy with it as possible.
@allhailkingarthur Women who have gotten hysterectomy's. women who have hormone imbalances, women who are intersex. The list goes on, I am no less a man than you are. Anatomy and internal organs don't make you who you are.
@ciqjeuighqryquiryenu There isn't much difference actually, I've seen both and unless you were an expert, you wouldn't be able to tell. I wouldn't be able to and I've seen many many vagina's. P.S you're an asshole
People simply don't want to have sex with someone who mutilating their bodies in a vain attempt to imitate the opposite sex and there's nothing wrong with not being okay with it. However, there is a huge problem with lying to people by not disclosing something so important as their sex and if you have intercourse with someone while doing that, you're guilty of rape by deception.
Therefore, you are advocating rape. You are a rape enabler if not an actual rapist.
@EvilViolencePerson Someone has sex with a Transwoman because they find her attractive but she used to have a penis.. therefore it's rape. Good logic there Dipshit.
Most, and by which I mean the vast majority of women, are not trans. It is therefore a reasonable assumption on the part of the man to assume that a woman is not trans, and the responsibility of the trans women to inform their prospective partner of their status.
A trans woman should also be aware that a prospective partner is highly likely to think that they are not trans. Being aware of this, and refusing to disclose, to me does constitute a form of deception.
at first... I thought this was a girl lip-synced to the voice of some dude... Then I realized it was a nerdy tranny...
Look man, I'll tell it to you straight, Why do men not like trans-women? Because she's really a man, I DON'T give a shit about what goes on in his mind. He was born with a penis, and thus, a man. I could have a God complex, and believe a was a God born a man, but just because I believe that doesn't necessarily mean that I am. So a tranny = a man. Sex with a man = homosexual.
If I ask a woman who is not trans if she was she would most likely be offended. I wouldn't say a lot of women would want to have sex with me after I asked here if she used to be a man.
@BellHooksUrge Oh aren't we the technical tranny expert troll hole. I don't give a shit what any monster wants to be called. I'll call it whatever it looks like it's going as for halloween. What are YOU going as? Fuck off nit wit. "Trans people" gchmmmffff. tee hee. dildo.
Sorry, I do not agree. Men do not ask women if their trans simply because the ratio of trans women to women is so low that asking this question would often be futile, but because the sad truth is it would insult the fuck out of many women. Yes, this is immensely unfair, but such is life...
I do tend to make it clear, at some point when it is suitable, to inform that I am transsexual. I find it a great way to filter out the idiots that have only got the loosest grip on their self identity and personal boundaries; because they run a mile.
I think that altering your body in any superficial way, be it a nose job or an SRS, is disgusting and a horrible exploitation of medical science. I also think that the idea of me having sex with a man is disgusting. Not that other men having sex disgusts me, I just don't like the idea of ME being involved because that's not who I am! Now if on top of this I am being deceived into having sex with a man, he'd better fuck me to death or make sure I never find out. What's wrong with that? NOTHING
great video. I agree that with casual sex partners trans people should not have to disclose if post op (only because I'm assuming pre-op may come be an issue due to genitalia which may be a problem). It does not posses any risk to their partner (non like STIs which should be disclosed), and I know I don't tell all my casual sex partners my life history. Sure in a long term relationship it should be discussed but that's because those relationships should be more open.
It's not that trans women are less then "real" women. Any more then gay men are less then men.
It all boils down to petty superficial bullshit. People just needing someone they can perceive as "lesser", because they are insecure about themselves.
post ops, no... i don't think they would need to disclose that fact without being asked. and honestly, i would not have an issue. but i would also have the balls to ask if i had any question. as long as the genitals have been altered, then it's a lady and should be treated as such.
Zinnia: I only watched a couple of minutes of the video. I just want you to know that not every man feels as your "99%" do. (And certainly, it is sufficient to tell the truth if asked, if someone really cares about it, just as it is sufficient to tell the truth about one's religion if asked.)
@Amberdextrix This turns philosophical, which is interesting but difficult in 450 chars! Yes, the meaning of gender is largely just a human construct. But so is every other idea! Reality is complex, and I applaud ZJ and anyone else who reminds us. And I'd imagine trans people would suffer more than most from the side-effects of our simplifications. I'm with all that. What I protest to is less important, but I still do protest, and concerns the use of language. :)
Given the ratio of women to transwomen is so disproportionate it seems absurd for men to be expected to verify the birth sex of all l woman, particularly since such information is already known to the transwomen themselves. I estimate that men are horrified at that prospect of sleeping with a transgendered woman, because it would signify an implicit approval of a severe mental disorder. However, if your appearances are representative of the transgendered population, I don't think men really n
@kerplunk288 "I estimate that men are horrified at that prospect of sleeping with a transgendered woman, because it would signify an implicit approval of a severe mental disorder."
This is why men never sleep with anyone who's experienced depression, right?
I disagree with you on this, ZJ, but I think the person ofc has the right to not tell. However, it's just common courtesy. If I was trans and was comfortable enough to have sex with someone then I'd be comfortable enough to tell them I was trans.
You are spot on. People react as they do because they are IGNORANT in regards to transsexualism. They may THINK they know what they're talking about, but they don't. And because of the stigma involved they are incredibly, willfully ignorant. I mean it's impossible to have a logical discussion with them. It's like as soon as you say the T word their brains go TILT! and it's no use talking to them. Just the same, thank you for making videos like this; nice to know some non-trans peeps get it.
I think its an extension of homophobia. If you sleep with a transwoman, so the thought process goes, then secretly maybe you are gay yourself. As for me, if she appears feminine enough that I'd be attracted to her, then what does it matter? (OTOH, I have seen some trans women who still come across as very male, and as enlightened as I want to be, it's not happening.)
I rarely disagree. this time i do. what i disagree with is that partners would not have a cogent discussion of birth control prior to intercourse, and that "oh, i don't have a uterus" would not naturally be the acceptable first response. correct me if i have missed some point here....
So the bottom line is that under most circumstances, sex with a person with HIV offers very little risk. On the other hand, when people disclose their HIV status they can experience significant discrimination & violence. In this context, I think your statement that "...trans women are not always obligated to disclose the fact that they're trans to a prospective partner, including prior to sex." applies as much to people with HIV.
Tellingly, most HIV is spread by those who don't know they have it (making disclosure a moot point), since initial infection is when the amount of virus is astronomically high/very infectious. Conversely, people who are aware of their HIV status & steadily receive ongoing & successful medical treatment may not be capable of infecting anyone, according to a emerging medical consensus represented by the Swiss Statement.
Comparing trans identity & HIV status is actually worthy of further consideration. Most with HIV take incredible pains to protect partners, whether or not disclosure happens. HIV isn't contagious & quite difficult to transmit except for certain acts: vaginal/anal intercourse w/out condoms esp. if the positive person isn't on successful treatment, or sharing needles. Other common sex acts are either risk-free or infintesimally low risk. & HIV is a chronic, manageable condition.
Great perspective. No trans person is obligated to reveal their trans status to any sex partner, whether they are pre-, post- or non-op (for what it's worth, depending on the sex act & context, one person's genitals may not come into play at all or be revealed).
God help those who come across male pseudohermaphroditism - as such people can mature into naturally-looking women with internal testes being the only remnant of their masculinity. Or even more... genetically male women. Or even chimeras. All of which would be "Nature's Trans" and would equally play just as insignificant of a part for a man wanting a brief casual encounter.
If trans-women are repugnant to a guy, then he can quickly dispatch such a person by simply stating his dislike.
I thoroughly hope my previous argument gets smashed to smithereens. I enjoy being wrong almost as much as I enjoy being right. And on a topic I am unfortunately uncomfortable in, I enjoy being wrong a lot more. Pushing boundaries makes life a lot more interesting.
Your points make sense. Rationally speaking It may not make sense, my dislike and feelings of betrayal from such an encounter. Asking a woman if she was ever a male is still as weird for many and worthy of sex denial. I wanted to try an argument. It is betrayal because People are driven hormonally to procreate with a specific type of partner. Attempting to procreate with an person who is not what is presented is a waste of energy and resources. Thus naturally expected to cause "bad" feelings.
I only partially agree with you. Making a parallel from my experience: I'm a bisexual woman. Unless I say it, a guy I'm involved with will assume I'm straight, while a woman will assume I'm a lesbian. I usually say that I'm bi very early in the relationship not because I don't want to hurt any possible homophobic/biphobic feelings they may have, but because being intimate with someone and then discovering that they think less of me because I'm bisexual it's going to hurt MY feelings.
so if I pick someone up and sleep with them the same night and then discover they are trans I do not see how I could have the right to be upset. I would have been a man slut and would have no right to be upset as I made no effort to know the person I jumped. However If I have dated' got to know them, made obvious that I want a life relationship with the possibility of having a child with them all before jumping there bones then to find out after the fact. Furious would be an understatement.
@tranarchy shut ur mouth faggot.. If I happened to be with someone who I just jones and then after they said oh I used to be a dude I'd fucking kill them.not rape or beat them.KILL thm
i cant tell if your talking or reading, shit aint normal man. and if a dude is gonna have sex with somebody he deserves to know if she was once a dude..use your head its inhumane to deceive somebody like that. total mindfuck maybe that 1% wouldnt mind fucking a chick that was once a dude but i sure as hell would mind if i had sex with a trans woman
masterofreality76 1 day ago
If you are going to have sex with them, you have a right to know if they are trans or not.
idunnoproductionzz 3 days ago
AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, if someone gets with someone and doesn't know they are trans, then later discovers that they are, the trans will be the one a hell of a lot more dissapointed and will have shot themselves in the foot from not saying something in the first place (as if being transgender isn't shooting yourself in the foot as it is... )
BFDMurg 1 week ago
You should stick to religion, you at no point take into account alcohol, which makes you go with people that are downright disgusting. Which kind of explains why we need telling.
BFDMurg 1 week ago
What is it
riddleman65 1 week ago
And as for asking a potential partner: Do you honestly expect me to ask a potential partner if they are trans? Most people would think it was some kind of joke. I believe that if you are trans and you want a serious relationship (beyond going out and having a ball), it is your responsibility to tell me - I wouldn't be able to trust you otherwise. I wouldn't run away if you told me, but then again, I probably wouldn't have been worth it anyway if I did.
GDOBSSOR 3 weeks ago
It's true: Nobody is being exposed to any horrible diseases, nobody is being dragged into some horrible act. But, there is great potential for some hurt feelings if the partner somehow finds out later. If you want to be in a long term relationship with someone, why wouldn't you tell them you're trans? I wouldn't have a problem with my partner being trans, but I certainly wouldn't be able to trust them if they didn't tell me such a thing.
GDOBSSOR 3 weeks ago
@GDOBSSOR Yeah hurt feelings if they're transphobic bigots.
blickblocks 3 weeks ago
You've got a man voice and adam's apple.
brow276 1 month ago
I love the analogies you find. They are very helpful for understanding the issue :)
janeyanna 1 month ago
@janeyanna but quite a lot of the time are very biased and one-sided which makes the whole thing a lot less likely to be taken on board by someone who doesn't.
BFDMurg 1 week ago
Another great Video. I think if a guy wants to know, he should ask himself. but I don't know why it is such a big deal. Of course gender to me is not a big deal at all. I like people for who they are, personality and what not. And I don't think trans woman should be blamed for being afraid to say they were born men. I mean look at all the hate in the world!
TelluluSnape 1 month ago
Ever notice how it's always the most bigoted jerks that manage to somehow sleep with an MTF without figuring it out beforehand?
RowansAHare 1 month ago
I think I understand ZJ here and correct me if I'm missing a point somewhere (other than the religious bigots, y'all can just fuck off now, thank you.) I'm using ZJ just to have a reference. ZJ was born male, but every fibre of her being says she's female. If the core of her being is female, then why does the mistake of her birth have any bearing on who she is now? And if that's the case, and she wants to forget THAT even happened, why should she be forced to acknowledge a mistake of birth?
dagda825 1 month ago
Uhm I'm a gay man and have no problem with the trans community, but if you are trans, you should tell your partner... Just because no one asked if your trans, doesn't mean you're not lying.
OhDangBro 1 month ago
@OhDangBro I find this a growth topic for myself. I am hetero, and I am fully supportive of the GLBT movement. Honestly, I can't imagine the torture a person goes thru, seeing him/herself as one gender, but being physically another. Let's just take ZJ for example since this is her channel. She's a beautiful person and looks to be an excellent specimen of womanhood. How is her past, should she decide not to disclose it, make her any less what she is?
dagda825 1 month ago
Its the new Chris Crocker
Sickhumourfactory 1 month ago
You say that trans-women do not fall short of being real women. This is wrong. It makes sense that a lay person might look at the two genders and consider the most obvious external sex organ, the genitalia, the defining factor in what makes someone a man or woman, and therefore, if you can change THE APPEARANCE of that organ, you therefore change your gender. Really, this isn't how gender is defined. It's biological. You cannot change your gender. Birds don't have penises. How can they be male?
Forseti6288 1 month ago
@Forseti6288 This isn't to say that I have any issue with the lack of disclosure you've proposed. I'm fine with that. I'm not speakign about morality. I'm only speaking about facts here. Saying "We're REAL women" is an emotional argument, based on insecurity, and it's clearly wrong. They should just be comfortable to act, dress and be like society says women should be, if that's how they'd like to be, and all the while admitting they are men. This would be a more secure way to be.
Forseti6288 1 month ago
A transexual woman is really a man. A transexual woman doesn't have ovaries and has a Y chromosome. I mean a person can make their cat look like a dog but that doesn't mean the cat is really a dog.
saltheadd 1 month ago
@saltheadd When you meet someone, do you have them tested to see if they have two X chromosomes and ovaries? I bet you don't. Because if you did, you might notice that some cis women do not have them, or have a Y chromosome, and some men DO have them and have two X's, but you'd never know it just from looking at them. Probably they don't even know it. Logic and reality does not support your bigotry.
Bragnanymous 1 month ago
@saltheadd Yeah that's exactly what I was trying to say in my post. Well done.
Forseti6288 1 month ago
You realize that a transwoman can be only attracted to cisgender men. The transwoman can be mad if it is found out that the partner is not a cisgender man.
saltheadd 1 month ago
@saltheadd Are you insane? Or just stupid?
Maupin001 1 month ago
@saltheadd Sounds like a straw man blanket statement that you have no proof of or even any real knowledge of. Trans people date each other sometimes, some are gay, some are lesbian, some are asexual, some don't care about sex at all. If a transwoman in your hypothetical scenario were upset about that, it would mean she does not believe in gender identity and, as a result, probably isn't trans. This just sounds like what a cis person (you) assumes other people think.
Bragnanymous 1 month ago
I must now ask you something as a devil's advocate. I'm sure you will not take it as an insult.
Are You Trans?
hal02modder 1 month ago
Ewww.
ColonelAllan 1 month ago
i'd fuck a trans woman.
MrZombieRyan 1 month ago
The bigotry in the comments kind of proves the point even more than your video. It's a knee jerk reaction for most, it looks like. I totally would not disclose my previous gender if I was a post op trans prior to having sex. Sure, in the natural course of my relationship, I would, just like I disclosed to my husband that I have a crazy family, that I may not be able to have children, that I watch bad horror movies. It's just not something you have to disclose right away.
aretamarie 1 month ago 9
Thus... 'private parts' are for 'intimate disclosures' of strictly 'surprises of joy' of the ENLIGHTENED, and NOT the unreasonable PRESUMPTIONS or expected ASSUMPTIONS of the ignorant masses (socially or culturally).
xzotyqa 1 month ago
Müllerian (de-Wolffianized developmentally) Females (Vaginal Females)
Müllerian (de-Wolffianized developmentally) Males (Vaginal Males)
Müllerian (de-Wolffianized developmentally) Neutrois (Vaginal Neutrois)
Wolffian (de-Müllerianized developmentally) Females (Penile Females)
Wolffian (de-Müllerianized developmentally) Males (Penile Males)
Wolffian (de-Müllerianized developmentally) Neutrois (Penile Neutrois)
Müllerian-Wolffians=Intersex
N) Neutrois=Intergender
F, M, or N = Brain Gender Identity
xzotyqa 1 month ago
Another way to look at human bi-potential sex is:
V) If one has just X chromosomes, the body says: Hey, Wolffian half, you can take a permanent sabbatical... and Müllerian half, go ahead, all is clear for Vagina/Uteran development.
P) If one has just a Y chromosome and Z (Testosterone Sensitivity), the body says: Hey, Müllerian half, we're going ahead without you, you can take a permanent sabbatical... and Wolffian half, better get going, for Penile development.
If one just has Y & no Z, see V!
xzotyqa 1 month ago
So if one were developmentally sexed below:
Müllerian Sexed half, XX(with Z) or XY(no Z): Vaginal in either case
Wolffian Sexed half XX(with Z+(very rare)) or XY(with Z): Penile in either case
Müllerian-Wolffian Intersexed: it varies, it could be ambiguous or not
Re-Müllerianized to being Neo-Müllerian Sexed (surgically, if starting as Wolffian, or Müllerian-Wolffian)
Re-Wolffianized to being Neo-Wolffian Sexed (surgically, if starting as Müllerian, or Müllerian-Wolffian)
It's nobody's business.
xzotyqa 1 month ago
All Humans are Genetically Bi-Sexed.
Hormonal receptivity, sensitivity, and presence are developmentally relevant.
Yes, all are endowed fully 'bi-potential sexed', and this is proven by the existence of Müllerian-Wolffian Nephric Duct Systems:
Let Z=Testosterone Sensitivity Chromosomal Gene
Müllerian (Paramesonephric) half can become Vaginal/Uteran (if absence of Y or Z)
Wolffian (Mesonephric) half can become Penile (if presence of Y & Z)
Gonads can become ovarian (only X) or testicular (Y & Z).
xzotyqa 1 month ago
Expecting the non-trans partner to ask is assuming that he has even been exposed to the existence of the LGBT community in the first place. Remember that some people are, in fact, very secluded in their world knowledge and beliefs. These are people who have been sheltered from such information by their families because the parents themselves believe anything and everything LGBT is morally reprehensible. So how are they to know to ask when they've never been exposed to the concept before?
ehzoterik 1 month ago
This is brilliant. It's absolutely spot-on. The analogy I'd draw (almost identical to yours) is with an Ashkenazi Jew in Weimar Germany. Does she have an obligation to disclose her religion in a viciously anti-Semitic environment just so anti-Semites can avoid accidentally sleeping with a Jew? Hell no. And neither do post-op trans women have any obligation to disclose their past.
felipesegund0 1 month ago 14
@felipesegund0 Wiemar Germany wasn't a 'viciously anti-semitic' environment. It wasn't until Uncle Adolf rolled in, and the Wiemar Republic came to a close that rampant anti-semitism reared it's ugly head. In fact Wiemar Germany was one of the most progressive and liberal European countries at that time. All forms, versions and varieties of sexuality were explored, all manner of music, art, learning and philosophical teaching were being taught-I think you mean The Third Reich?
bunkopaniczny 1 month ago
@felipesegund0 that is an absolutely terrible comparison. the jew cannot help being a jew, but the "trans" chose to be a "trans" and obviously would be perpetuating a kind of fraud against a man who expected to be with a natural woman.
kmzstube 4 weeks ago
@kmzstube If we chose to be trans YOU chose to be cis (not trans). Is that so?
blickblocks 3 weeks ago
@kmzstube No we didn't you fucking ignorant moron. I guess your going to say something stupid ignorant like I had a choice to transition. Yes. either live as hellish life or a less hellish one. Yippie! People also have a choice to be intolerant or tolerant. It's funny how people react to being with a transperson only when they are told about there past. Just choose not to get angry. That's what I'm going to tell people from now on:)
MzBUZZKILINGTON 3 weeks ago
It's OK Zinnia, you wouldn't have to worry about disclosure. You are clearly trans and if anyone decided to take you home, they would most definately be into a more masculine female or trans type. The only scenario that I worry about is when alcohol or drugs are involved, however this is also an issue with heterosexual "nightclub" predators in addition to transexuals.
deegz01 2 months ago
This is why you should always know the beliefs of someone you're going to go to bed with so you never go to bed with anyone who is crazier than you are.
ctg9905 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
I could understand a man who would want to be told if a woman he was engaged with was trans-gendered, but in my case, it really doesn't matter. I don't love a person for his or her gender or sexual identity, I love them because of their personality, which isn't in any way necessarily changed by the fact that, for example, the woman I'm in a relationship with used to be a man.
Weendigo172 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
4:50 Bingo. The video didn't win me over on this topic; in this case i have to side with concerns of the majority over those of the minority. Expecting people to drop their gender norms is a bit much to ask. The thought of sleeping with someone who was once a man repulses me, as much as i can respect this person in every other aspect.
HiAdrian 2 months ago
@HiAdrian
The thought that somebody was once a man is what is rubbish in the first place, as evidence has demonstrated time again that females who were born transsexual have feminized brains which react in the same way as stereotypical female brains do to arousing material. So to be more accurate, a former transsexual was only reproductively male, not 'a man' -- reproduction is only one aspect of biological sex. The transgender community is fail for not explaining this properly.
Amberdextrix 1 month ago
I rationally responded to a load of these comments and then I gave up, so so many idiots. . . Anyway I agree with everything you said in this video, I think you're awesome.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
@IsThatEtchas someones got a crush, XD hahahahahaha, awww its so cute. Wait your being serious aren't you? lemme laugh harder. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ivancito7790 2 months ago
@ivancito7790 Nope, I think Zinnia is awesome because he stands up for Trans rights. Also no I don't have a crush, wouldn't be a bad thing if I did but Zinnia is actually a bit too feminine for my tastes.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
@IsThatEtchas >bit too femenine
LOL
ivancito7790 2 months ago
@ivancito7790 Feminine* Are you actually going to make any relevant points or are you just going to be an asshat?
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
@IsThatEtchas are you going to keep replying to my posts trying to start a LOL2DEEP4U argument on the internet?
I already said what I think of this queer... He's an attention seeking pretentious faggot, his argument is ridiculous and tryhard. He's trying hard to shove his ideals down other peoples throats... No people will NOT accept trannies.
ivancito7790 2 months ago
@ivancito7790 Well you were'nt actually making points. You were just insulting people. Being intelligent is not the same as being pretentious. If you have no problem with gay people, why do you continue to use faggot as an insult? .Zinnia isn't trans. Well I have been accepted by my friends and I'm Trans, If someone has traditional values, why would they be having casual sex in the first place? If someone is attracted to a Trans Person or a Transperson is attracted to someone else~
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
@ivancito7790 ~It is really none of your concern. Really other than you saying Trans people having sex with anyone who isn't also LGBT is bad, I don't really know what point you're trying to make.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
@ivancito7790
1 I am a person
2 I accept trannies
3 Therefore people accept trannies
Also, how is someone making a webcam video of a logical argument and uploading it to youtube "shoving" something down your throat? The only thing going down your throat is a black man's penis. Just sayin'.
ApplesThatRead 2 months ago
@ApplesThatRead You should maybe know, then, that many trans people find "trannies" offensive. Not all do. Maybe the ones you know are ok with it, so that's why I'm letting you know now that there are many who aren't. So while it might be somewhat ok to call them that, it's not really ok to call others that. Thank you. This was in no way intended to be rude or attack you.
Bragnanymous 1 month ago
@IsThatEtchas Why? they are built on deception, and even id they were honest too boot, they still wouldn't be accepted, because a lot of people still stick to traditional values when it comes to sexuality. The main difference b/w trannies and fags, is that fags tend to wanna stick amongst themselves (when it comes to sex), trannies on the other hand, try to fit in to the traditional society with "modern" values. And before you even start, No I dont have a problem with gay people, on the contrar
ivancito7790 2 months ago
@ivancito7790 They're not built on "deception". I am Trans and I want my body to be more masculine so I feel more comfortable and happy within my own skin. If I am happy with my body and I don't pass, I couldn't give a shit. This is for my own personal happiness. I have certainly never decieved anyone. If someone sees me as Male that is not a lie because Male is what I identify as.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
I'm not sure I COMPLETELY agree with you. I think it shouldn't be a problem, but I can understand wanting to know and expecting my significant other to tell me. I'm certain I would not leave my girlfriend if she told me she was born a man. I just can understand someone feeling a little betrayed. When you care about someone, I think it's natural to share life details. As far as just a sexual encounter, I don't think they should ID themselves at all. Long-term, gotta disagree.
jont43 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@jont43 Long term, I agree with you. Since being Transgender is such a long and hard road, if you left all that out to a person you were in love with then it could be counted as a type of deception, Just like not telling someone you have CF or something like that. But not telling someone would be more out of fear than anything else. Also a Transwoman was not born a "man". I'm a Transguy and I was stuck in a pink blanket and told I was female but I ain't and I never was.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
Wow this video really brings out the bigotry of people. Because nothing defeats an argument like insulting the person who presents it.
LifeUntilLove 2 months ago
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CherryGarcia15 2 months ago
So if asking someone if they're trans shouldn't be derogatory? So if I tell you, you look and sound like a man, you wouldn't be offended right? Get real.
Sedated3 3 months ago
@Sedated3 Since he is a man, I don't think he'd take any exception to that at all.
flaviusclaudius7510 2 months ago
I fully support you. Everything you have said that I have thus far heard has been amazing and I have previously thought about this particular matter in detail. Why dump someone you have been naturally attracted to over that? It is quite mad.
MaggieHaggis 3 months ago
I'm pro trans and all that, but depending on your criteria for "woman," a post op tran would not have a functioning uterus or the normal hormone balance of a biological female...wouldn't that make them technically "less than a woman?" Don't get me wrong, I've met many trans people I personally found very attractive, and I would acknowledge them as any gender they wanted. But they certainly aren't "women" in a biological sense. Not that that's a value judgment or anything. What do you think?
allhailkingarthur 3 months ago
@allhailkingarthur Post-op trans-women would have to have been on hormone therapy for quite some time so yes, they would have the same hormone balance as a cis-gender woman. And if a functioning uterus is necessary to be considered a "whole woman," then you are excluding many, many cis-gender women who have had hysterectomies from this particular definition of "woman."
SailorSolarstar 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@SailorSolarstar well, and i'm being purely semantic here, but whether or not the uterus is "functioning" would not tip the scale for me. I'm simply referring to the genitals that a human was born with. That, to me, determines someone's biological gender in a major way. Like I said, I'm pro trans and pro genderqueer and all that, but I do, on a personal level, find genital surgery to be a form of mutilation. Don't mistake that for me passing any sort of moral judgment, I just wish...
allhailkingarthur 2 months ago
...people didn't suffer so severely they felt they needed to take such extreme measures to be happy. I mean, I sympathize because of my own body issues. I guess all I can say is I'm grateful that for me it's simply a matter of weight and doesn't require drastic surgery to achieve what I perceive to be body comfort. I don't envy that pain. I really don't.
allhailkingarthur 2 months ago
@allhailkingarthur Well, unfortunately the fact of the matter is that some people do. But if you don't find anything wrong with it in any sort of way, why the need to label re-assignment surgery as "body mutilation"? Even if on a purely technical level it is (medically or otherwise which I'm not sure of one way or the other), why does this level of semantics need to be brought up in the context of personal interaction with another person (or potential partner)?
SailorSolarstar 2 months ago
@allhailkingarthur Lulz, I think the surgery that helps Trans people is mutilation but I'm not passing judgement... It's not mutilation, nothing that has such positive and life changing consequences can be seen as mutilation. Also ya know, people can do what they like with their own bodies because It's their body, You only get one of them. Might as well try and make yourself as happy with it as possible.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
@allhailkingarthur Women who have gotten hysterectomy's. women who have hormone imbalances, women who are intersex. The list goes on, I am no less a man than you are. Anatomy and internal organs don't make you who you are.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
How utterly disturbing. Anyone still wonder why Hitler wasn't happy with these?
ColonelAllan 3 months ago
You are an amazing, articulate, and I hope you keep making videos. <3
BellHooksUrge 3 months ago
@BellHooksUrge Correction ASSHOLE, it is a sickly weak abomination and I hope it goes in a corner and bleeds out. That's what you meant.
PennaPlanum 3 months ago
dude, what are you going as?
PennaPlanum 3 months ago
What the fuck is that thing....
Doomsong83 3 months ago
this is what reddit fags actually believe
dogincat12 3 months ago
Reedit
Liberal
Gigantic faggot
Yep. Sounds about right.
Zerostriker5 3 months ago
dude you are such a fucking ugly girl
Garthock 3 months ago
Your parents must br so.... proud
shilipsy 3 months ago
wouldn't it be nice if people like him just.. i don't know. Died in a hole?
joedesvinet 3 months ago
Is that thing male?
What a massive faggot.
minxamo 3 months ago
What a huge faggot
TheDarkyos 3 months ago
Holy shit, I finally found someone who fits the bar for my username.
WhoWasThatFaggot 3 months ago
@WhoWasThatFaggot Lol'd
Yubera2K10 3 months ago
I'm pretty sure any man would be able to guess you are not in fact a woman.
jimjamjoeyjoejoe 3 months ago
It's man, yeah baby!
jimjamjoeyjoejoe 3 months ago
How's that mental disorder treating you?
ZackServo 3 months ago
So... is this thing trying to be male of female?
Coltaculuss 3 months ago
What a tremendous faggot.
vash47 3 months ago
I'm pretty sure I'd be able to tell the difference between a real vagina and your inside out penis. Just saying... oh ya and you're a faggot
ciqjeuighqryquiryenu 3 months ago
@ciqjeuighqryquiryenu There isn't much difference actually, I've seen both and unless you were an expert, you wouldn't be able to tell. I wouldn't be able to and I've seen many many vagina's. P.S you're an asshole
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
Why the fuck do you stretch out your last words of the sentence you gigantic faggot?
Reavaverho 3 months ago
I'm pretty sure that asking if a woman is transsexual will most certainly be taken as an insult.
Oh yeah, and gigantic faggot or something.
sensibleMak 3 months ago
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Mallordov 3 months ago
People simply don't want to have sex with someone who mutilating their bodies in a vain attempt to imitate the opposite sex and there's nothing wrong with not being okay with it. However, there is a huge problem with lying to people by not disclosing something so important as their sex and if you have intercourse with someone while doing that, you're guilty of rape by deception.
Therefore, you are advocating rape. You are a rape enabler if not an actual rapist.
EvilViolencePerson 3 months ago
@EvilViolencePerson Someone has sex with a Transwoman because they find her attractive but she used to have a penis.. therefore it's rape. Good logic there Dipshit.
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
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WAIT WTF WHAT IS THIS
ganonforce 3 months ago
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CookingWithHeinrich 3 months ago
Is this a dude or a chick?
warvad 3 months ago
@warvad it's a gigantic faggot
RevolverBrocelot 3 months ago
@warvad It's a glorious winged faggot.
limegreenowns 3 months ago
Most, and by which I mean the vast majority of women, are not trans. It is therefore a reasonable assumption on the part of the man to assume that a woman is not trans, and the responsibility of the trans women to inform their prospective partner of their status.
A trans woman should also be aware that a prospective partner is highly likely to think that they are not trans. Being aware of this, and refusing to disclose, to me does constitute a form of deception.
packets1 3 months ago
If a tranny ever tries to trick me, he's getting his teeth knocked out.
nikkisixxual 3 months ago
at first... I thought this was a girl lip-synced to the voice of some dude... Then I realized it was a nerdy tranny...
Look man, I'll tell it to you straight, Why do men not like trans-women? Because she's really a man, I DON'T give a shit about what goes on in his mind. He was born with a penis, and thus, a man. I could have a God complex, and believe a was a God born a man, but just because I believe that doesn't necessarily mean that I am. So a tranny = a man. Sex with a man = homosexual.
ivancito7790 3 months ago
@ivancito7790 So many idiots up in this club
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
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ImperviousMason 3 months ago
WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSFAGGOTWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS
LittleSnipes 3 months ago
Holy shit am I the only one who bursted out laughing the first 10 seconds?
Frakos 3 months ago
reported for terrorism
Akutsuuu 3 months ago
>implying you will ever have sex
2Pac515 3 months ago
Holy fucking faggots batman
Sonicfoxtrot 3 months ago
If I ask a woman who is not trans if she was she would most likely be offended. I wouldn't say a lot of women would want to have sex with me after I asked here if she used to be a man.
MrEnvirobear 3 months ago
I think your face discloses enough.
xSh0ckWaVe 3 months ago
Your speaking style sounds a little like your reading bullet points. Although you sound quite eloquent it seems a little unnatural.
I like this video, and although I disagree with a lot of what you say, it is still thoughtful and provoking.
darkouk 3 months ago
Ew. You're gross.
TheKuroKaminari 3 months ago
he's reading it from the screen.
ImTheWackhead 3 months ago
Holy shit what a humongous faggot.
Dimak666 3 months ago 21
@Dimak666 Dude, please, be politically correct. Humongous may be offensive to some. The proper term is "gigantic faggot".
m500ario 3 months ago
@Dimak666 He must really freak people out when he walks up to them they think its a chick and then BOOM it speaks. HAHAH fuck.
PennaPlanum 3 months ago
@PennaPlanum.
She. Trans people are referred to by the chosen gender. Go learn.
BellHooksUrge 3 months ago
@BellHooksUrge Oh aren't we the technical tranny expert troll hole. I don't give a shit what any monster wants to be called. I'll call it whatever it looks like it's going as for halloween. What are YOU going as? Fuck off nit wit. "Trans people" gchmmmffff. tee hee. dildo.
PennaPlanum 3 months ago
@Dimak666 holy shit what a humongous ignorant, anti-LGBTQ idiot with access to the internet you happen to be!
BellHooksUrge 3 months ago
It should be disclosed you stupid fuck
k1llgor3 3 months ago
faggot
IplayTerranGermany 3 months ago 91
@IplayTerranGermany: ignoramus
BellHooksUrge 3 months ago
non-disclosure is cowardice, pure and simple
turbocrunt 3 months ago
you are a fucking degenerate piece of filth with an extremely annoying voice. die, then burn in hell.
agents1986 3 months ago
Sorry, I do not agree. Men do not ask women if their trans simply because the ratio of trans women to women is so low that asking this question would often be futile, but because the sad truth is it would insult the fuck out of many women. Yes, this is immensely unfair, but such is life...
kalajel 3 months ago
I do tend to make it clear, at some point when it is suitable, to inform that I am transsexual. I find it a great way to filter out the idiots that have only got the loosest grip on their self identity and personal boundaries; because they run a mile.
msknight5 3 months ago
oh it's a tranny! no wonder it looks like a dude.
stupidvegangirl 3 months ago
To base a relatsonship on misleading someone is very wrong. With that said you are NOT passible so u have no worries.
timm9 4 months ago
I think that altering your body in any superficial way, be it a nose job or an SRS, is disgusting and a horrible exploitation of medical science. I also think that the idea of me having sex with a man is disgusting. Not that other men having sex disgusts me, I just don't like the idea of ME being involved because that's not who I am! Now if on top of this I am being deceived into having sex with a man, he'd better fuck me to death or make sure I never find out. What's wrong with that? NOTHING
theanvilcracks 4 months ago
great video. I agree that with casual sex partners trans people should not have to disclose if post op (only because I'm assuming pre-op may come be an issue due to genitalia which may be a problem). It does not posses any risk to their partner (non like STIs which should be disclosed), and I know I don't tell all my casual sex partners my life history. Sure in a long term relationship it should be discussed but that's because those relationships should be more open.
vnorthru 4 months ago
I had to stop this before finishing watching it.
It's not that trans women are less then "real" women. Any more then gay men are less then men.
It all boils down to petty superficial bullshit. People just needing someone they can perceive as "lesser", because they are insecure about themselves.
A fact that "social mentality" exploits.
SmashtheCmachine 4 months ago 2
post ops, no... i don't think they would need to disclose that fact without being asked. and honestly, i would not have an issue. but i would also have the balls to ask if i had any question. as long as the genitals have been altered, then it's a lady and should be treated as such.
fukkensully 4 months ago 2
If I am so enamoured by a person to want to sleep with them, I have made my choice. If I am unhappy with what I find, it is MY problem not theirs.
There are some truly stunning transwomen out there.
Morahg 4 months ago 2
Zinnia: I only watched a couple of minutes of the video. I just want you to know that not every man feels as your "99%" do. (And certainly, it is sufficient to tell the truth if asked, if someone really cares about it, just as it is sufficient to tell the truth about one's religion if asked.)
KeithBrianJohnson 4 months ago
Also find it funny that this was uploaded on my last birthday... Funny...
Xel963 4 months ago
This is awesome... And there is at lest one male out there that'll gladly be with a Transwoman.
Xel963 4 months ago
@Amberdextrix This turns philosophical, which is interesting but difficult in 450 chars! Yes, the meaning of gender is largely just a human construct. But so is every other idea! Reality is complex, and I applaud ZJ and anyone else who reminds us. And I'd imagine trans people would suffer more than most from the side-effects of our simplifications. I'm with all that. What I protest to is less important, but I still do protest, and concerns the use of language. :)
dojohansen123 4 months ago
@dojohansen123
Feel free to message me then, I'm always willing to read them. :)
Amberdextrix 4 months ago
To be honest, if you can't tell by looking, touching, and tasting, does it really matter?
keeperofsouls13 4 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
@ZJemptv Your comparison is a complete non-sequitur, as depression is not essentially sexual, whereas gender dysphoria is inherently sexual.
kerplunk288 4 months ago
Need to worry about getting duped.
kerplunk288 4 months ago
Given the ratio of women to transwomen is so disproportionate it seems absurd for men to be expected to verify the birth sex of all l woman, particularly since such information is already known to the transwomen themselves. I estimate that men are horrified at that prospect of sleeping with a transgendered woman, because it would signify an implicit approval of a severe mental disorder. However, if your appearances are representative of the transgendered population, I don't think men really n
kerplunk288 4 months ago
@kerplunk288 "I estimate that men are horrified at that prospect of sleeping with a transgendered woman, because it would signify an implicit approval of a severe mental disorder."
This is why men never sleep with anyone who's experienced depression, right?
ZJemptv 4 months ago
That's fine, no straight man is obligated to not kill any faggot who tries to fuck them.
omegapoint777 3 months ago
@ZJemptv depression is not a severe mental disorder
JJsmallz 3 months ago
@ZJemptv The general rule is don't stick your dick in crazy.
CookingWithHeinrich 3 months ago
@CookingWithHeinrich Slow and steady wins the race
IsThatEtchas 2 months ago
@ZJemptv He was being polite. The real reason is no-one wants to sleep with a freaky dude that's butchered his own junk.
jimjamjoeyjoejoe 3 months ago
I disagree with you on this, ZJ, but I think the person ofc has the right to not tell. However, it's just common courtesy. If I was trans and was comfortable enough to have sex with someone then I'd be comfortable enough to tell them I was trans.
Bannedforfun 5 months ago
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You are spot on. People react as they do because they are IGNORANT in regards to transsexualism. They may THINK they know what they're talking about, but they don't. And because of the stigma involved they are incredibly, willfully ignorant. I mean it's impossible to have a logical discussion with them. It's like as soon as you say the T word their brains go TILT! and it's no use talking to them. Just the same, thank you for making videos like this; nice to know some non-trans peeps get it.
UnicornClone 5 months ago
This is a man, right? Is he a tranny?
AAnneC 5 months ago
I think its an extension of homophobia. If you sleep with a transwoman, so the thought process goes, then secretly maybe you are gay yourself. As for me, if she appears feminine enough that I'd be attracted to her, then what does it matter? (OTOH, I have seen some trans women who still come across as very male, and as enlightened as I want to be, it's not happening.)
VigilanteNighthawk 5 months ago
I rarely disagree. this time i do. what i disagree with is that partners would not have a cogent discussion of birth control prior to intercourse, and that "oh, i don't have a uterus" would not naturally be the acceptable first response. correct me if i have missed some point here....
AltairZielite 5 months ago
So the bottom line is that under most circumstances, sex with a person with HIV offers very little risk. On the other hand, when people disclose their HIV status they can experience significant discrimination & violence. In this context, I think your statement that "...trans women are not always obligated to disclose the fact that they're trans to a prospective partner, including prior to sex." applies as much to people with HIV.
auntiedisestablish 5 months ago
Tellingly, most HIV is spread by those who don't know they have it (making disclosure a moot point), since initial infection is when the amount of virus is astronomically high/very infectious. Conversely, people who are aware of their HIV status & steadily receive ongoing & successful medical treatment may not be capable of infecting anyone, according to a emerging medical consensus represented by the Swiss Statement.
auntiedisestablish 5 months ago
Comparing trans identity & HIV status is actually worthy of further consideration. Most with HIV take incredible pains to protect partners, whether or not disclosure happens. HIV isn't contagious & quite difficult to transmit except for certain acts: vaginal/anal intercourse w/out condoms esp. if the positive person isn't on successful treatment, or sharing needles. Other common sex acts are either risk-free or infintesimally low risk. & HIV is a chronic, manageable condition.
auntiedisestablish 5 months ago
Great perspective. No trans person is obligated to reveal their trans status to any sex partner, whether they are pre-, post- or non-op (for what it's worth, depending on the sex act & context, one person's genitals may not come into play at all or be revealed).
auntiedisestablish 5 months ago
God help those who come across male pseudohermaphroditism - as such people can mature into naturally-looking women with internal testes being the only remnant of their masculinity. Or even more... genetically male women. Or even chimeras. All of which would be "Nature's Trans" and would equally play just as insignificant of a part for a man wanting a brief casual encounter.
If trans-women are repugnant to a guy, then he can quickly dispatch such a person by simply stating his dislike.
razredge07 5 months ago
I thoroughly hope my previous argument gets smashed to smithereens. I enjoy being wrong almost as much as I enjoy being right. And on a topic I am unfortunately uncomfortable in, I enjoy being wrong a lot more. Pushing boundaries makes life a lot more interesting.
MythicalMan842 5 months ago
Your points make sense. Rationally speaking It may not make sense, my dislike and feelings of betrayal from such an encounter. Asking a woman if she was ever a male is still as weird for many and worthy of sex denial. I wanted to try an argument. It is betrayal because People are driven hormonally to procreate with a specific type of partner. Attempting to procreate with an person who is not what is presented is a waste of energy and resources. Thus naturally expected to cause "bad" feelings.
MythicalMan842 5 months ago
I only partially agree with you. Making a parallel from my experience: I'm a bisexual woman. Unless I say it, a guy I'm involved with will assume I'm straight, while a woman will assume I'm a lesbian. I usually say that I'm bi very early in the relationship not because I don't want to hurt any possible homophobic/biphobic feelings they may have, but because being intimate with someone and then discovering that they think less of me because I'm bisexual it's going to hurt MY feelings.
KittyxyxChan 5 months ago in playlist Altri video di ZJemptv
so if I pick someone up and sleep with them the same night and then discover they are trans I do not see how I could have the right to be upset. I would have been a man slut and would have no right to be upset as I made no effort to know the person I jumped. However If I have dated' got to know them, made obvious that I want a life relationship with the possibility of having a child with them all before jumping there bones then to find out after the fact. Furious would be an understatement.
way2jaded1 5 months ago
@tranarchy shut ur mouth faggot.. If I happened to be with someone who I just jones and then after they said oh I used to be a dude I'd fucking kill them.not rape or beat them.KILL thm
THeyneC420 5 months ago