@moonhoaxlunatic1 "Please don't kill me. Please. Please let me read some more stupidities from you?" Now you have absolutely admitted to this account Brant, WTF? IDIOT, LMAO! Keep making those puppets, and thinking that it is your only escape hole. But beware, the Trooper will follow you to the end of Youtube, LMAO! Threatening to kill you physically? WTF? I wouldn't even debate with you LIVE, I wouldn't give you the time of the day. I'll blast you and your puppets with one account...
@GUARDIANtrooper I didn't see this comment before. Why don't you "follow me" right back to my debate video? That was the kind of dick-swinging talk that got you the special invitation in the first place. Your last post there was five days ago. So you don't have to follow me to the end of YouTube. Just go there and pick up where we left off: my debunking of your claim about the earth looking too small.
@GUARDIANtrooper On second thought, let's postpone our conversation until later. This is a school night, it must be way past your bedtime, and you NEED your education.
@Astrobrant2 Yeah, get your warm milk and go to sleep and stop trying to keep up with the young generation, it is too many of us to wave off that easily. I clocked you about 1ish in the morning, this is your full-time job, LMAO! I don't go to public or private schools, I'm privileged, more like an intern than a student on a government facility, imagine that. I get to view things that normal people don't see to challenge the unthinkable. That is why I challenge the unthinkable, I'm not afraid...
@GUARDIANtrooper You aren't going to be any kind of intellectual leader in YOUR generation, much less mine. What did you do, drop out? Get kicked out? Or graduate? And if you graduated and your father is a lawyer, why aren't you in college?
You were born in my 19th year as a teacher. Everything you've said about Apollo is wrong. You aren't interested in the truth. You are pretending to know more than all the experts in the world when you don't know as much as most non-experts.
Is anyone still taking Jarrah White seriously? He refuses to disavow Ralph Rene, who claimed the accepted value for pi is wrong. This represents an error of epic proportions, making the claimant an obvious imbecile and/or charlatan. I knew Ralph personally and can tell you he was thoroughly incompetent in the physical sciences, which is why I quit working for him. One thing Ralph and Jarrah have in common is their total lack of education in the disciplines they are claiming expertise.
- I'm afraid yes. Well, most of the Moon hoax nuts do, cowardly hiding in the walled garden at Jarrah's place on YouTube. You know, that little field between dumbvalley and delusioncity.
@Rob260259 You have the audacity to say someone is hiding and you hit and run behind blocks? LMAO!!
YES, people take Jarrah White seriously. You take Jarrah White seriously, because you just gave him a shout out and he's not even present to defend himself. Not to mention, your girlfriend blocked him, but claimed to want to debate with him LIVE, when I asked him after he asked me, "Why don't you ask Jarrah?" I don't forget anything and I don't lose much, and I know a LIE when I see Apollo...
@GUARDIANtrooper If you're referring to me, Jarrah has not been blocked on this channel for about a year.
It's amazing. You can't get anything right even when it has nothing to do with your dumb hoax theory. Must be frustrating. I guess that's what happens when people who don't know anything about anything presume to go out and publicly pretend to be know-it-alls.
@moonhoaxlunatic1I know it's you Brant, LMAO! You know what I'm talking about, you called them hypothetical questions and then smeared them with misunderstood, instead of asking. Then you reached out to try to tag-team your friends (that you ran off) one even unsubscribed to you out of anger. Collapsing under pressure versus simple pellucid questions searching, testing your micrometer to fetch a possible trip-up. Hell yeah you are afraid to answer, I'll kill you if you slip...
"See what happens to this piece of debris," Brant? It's a HOAX dude, you don't get, the whole thing is a HOAX, not just part of it. It's not really on the moon Brant, so you can use air, LMAO! Just before the crap was yanked up by the cable, they forced air out to blow the debris around to make it look real. And the airflow continued as they cranked the Dr. Seuss looking contraption up to the top of the crane. HOAX, only a fool would believe this crap after seeing it once...
@GUARDIANtrooper You've just called the entire world's professional community in every discipline related to Apollo "fools."
While you and White, Sibrel, Percy, Rene, Kaysing, and the throngs of semi-literate, scientifically ignorant trolls who have seen a couple of hoax videos constitute the great revolutionary wing of uncredentialed truth-seekers who are here to set us all free from our gullibility.
@Astrobrant2 No, just the ones that won't admit the missions were faked. I've seen more than a couple of hoax videos, you have over 70 in opposition and you aren't an expert in any of the fields expressed. So why did you render your quest? Did your degrees in physics, meteorology, astronomy, etc., and lets not forget your trip to the moon to check behind NASA's antics, give you so much spare time to make videos and comment on them everyday on Youtube? Where are my books and videos to challenge?
@GUARDIANtrooper I have spent more time than I care to admit over the last 30 years arguing on the Internet with people who make ridiculous claims. This hoax business is the most recent. It bothers me when I see ill-informaed, ill-motivated, unqualified wannabes pretending they're smarter than all the real experts in the world, trashing a great achievement, and attacking the people who defend it.
@Astrobrant2 Pt 2. I don't claim or pretend to be an expert. One doesn't need to be, in order to debunk the idiotic claims of hoax nuts. As far as astronomy is concerned, it has been a great interest of mine for almost 50 years and at times I have been very active in it. I have 15 college credits in it and have taught it, along with a "Man in Space" unit in 9th grade Unified Science.
I love science and learning and have acquired a well-calibrated bullshit detector over the years.
@Astrobrant2 Pt 3. My experience has been that hoax nuts seldom have any idea what they are talking about, yet they crash onto the scene pretending to be experts and spout off their ridiculous claims in often semi-illiterate and insulting style.
Now I couldn't help but notice that you continue to avoid any specific discussion of claims against Apollo. Again, what is your evidence, now that I've wiped out your claim that the earth is too small in Apollo photos?
@Astrobrant2 The good doesn't insult unless feels insulted. The Apollo missions, after been view to its fullest is an insult to our country and my generations will not stand for it. You haven't explained anything one bit, why the earth is too small in those pictures, too funny... I gave you a simple questions, just like all others, you beat around them with insults, but claim I insult for contesting an obvious lie. I'm not a Hoax nut, you are by making videos, LOOK AT YOURSELF DUDE... LMAO!!
@GUARDIANtrooper Fortunately, what you won't stand for has no effect on historical and scientific fact.
Take your argument about the earth size back to the debate. It is off-topic here. I mathematically PROVED you were wrong. Now go back and tell why my proof was "so funny."
@Astrobrant2 If you are not an expert of anything, then why are challenging personal opinions with no expertise to the subject? You are worse than the so-called conspiracy theorist. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, YOU ARE. I don't have any videos and books of any sort in my criteria in a retrieval device of any sort, pertaining to a Hoax or conspiracy, but you do... And if you have a detector of bull, then you must have turned it off while viewing the phony Moon Missions. Turn it on next time...
@GUARDIANtrooper I have enough knowledge, experience, and intelligence to shut down just about any hoax theory. One does not have to be an "expert" to totally debunk the amateur fools who holler hoax.
@Astrobrant2 Your knowledge of distorted experience to whatever it is you think you know, still doesn't make you a professional ANYTHING. You are no different from the opposition. You are more like a "Theorist Interrogator." When someone voices their assessment versus what you believe to be true, you attack. That is a full-time job and your videos are proof of that. Stop peeing in your hand in public, because people tend to stare. Besides, you can't wash off toxic with toxic waste...
@GUARDIANtrooper In other words, you STILL have no argument to make against Apollo because you're tired of being proven wrong every time you say something. So instead of continually engaging in off-topic personal attitude rants, why don't you just shut up? Too much ego? It must be frustrating.
I guess we can assume you are resigning from the debate we were supposed to be having.
@Astrobrant2 "Real experts," can LIE to you Brant, they are people just like you. Just because you have a degree in something, doesn't make you perfect. What happen to President Clinton? Did he not lie by saying, "I did not have relations with that woman?" He was smart enough to be the president and dumb enough to get caught lying. It's not about intellect dude, you don't have to have a degree to see a LIE. You are saying just that Brant and if you believe that, you are a complete idiot...
@GUARDIANtrooper "Just because you have a degree in something, doesn't make you perfect. What happen to President Clinton? Did he not lie by saying, "I did not have relations with that woman?" He was smart enough to be the president and dumb enough to get caught lying. It's not about intellect dude, you don't have to have a degree to see a LIE. You are saying just that Brant and if you believe that, you are a complete idiot..."
@Rob260259 Clinton said in his book, he didn't believe we went to the moon. Nevertheless, as always, you people over look every example to help you comprehend anything. Every time I give you an example, you focus on the key words, "President Clinton," and comment to it to change the subject, LMAO! Now tell me if that isn't just stupid? Now go back and read the comment and come back with some sense, Pretend if you have to, instead of spearing off absent minded gibberish, CLOWN...
@GUARDIANtrooper Why don't you give us the direct quote from Clinton? It wasn't very long. Have you even seen it, or are you just spouting someone else's garbage and praying it will be right.
Again, it will be shown that you have no idea what you are talking about or that you are just lying.
@Rob260259 Wait. In my last post to you, I was unaware of the rest of the conversation. I've seen it now. So let me state it more correctly because I don't want to misrepresent GT's logic:
Bill Clinton was smart anough and educated enough to be President. Brant is smart and educated. Bill Clinton lied about having sex. Therefore Brant is lying about Apollo.
- Yup. That sums it up. The Cousteau expeditions were all fake because of the DSK affair. The Iraqi/Iranian war was fake because of Saddam. And Beethoven never composed Für Elise in 1810, because he said "amici, comedia finita est" (my friends, the show is over).
What a fool you really are. Why can't you produce a vaguely plausible reason as to why scientists and experts the WHOLE WORLD OVER fail to see what is obvious to you and your ilk? Seriously, don't you think that’s a little odd?
There are NO credible people supporting your hoax belief system. ZERO.
@Robinhood Why can't you see that you and your idiotic comrades aren't too convincing to show evidence of a moon landing, but instead building an OUT OF CON-TROLL NATION, LMAO!! I haven't seen anything about a moon landing to make me believe we went to a moon, period. How many videos have I put up clown? I'm just commenting on a video, convince me. I don't need a system, because you people make videos with my name in it. I must be doing something right to convince others of your wrong, many PMs.
@Astrobrant2 I'm on duty quest, you can't lose me that easily. If you want me to leave you alone, I will, but I will not forfeit a debate on any platform of the playing field of Youtube. That is your suggestions, the reason why you are saying get lost, you are tired... I am everywhere I see you and everywhere you are not on this issue when time permits. New world tech will prove that we didn't go near the moon and my search for tomorrow will prove it in simple technology versus the yesteryears.
@GUARDIANtrooper If you are not forfeiting the debate, then whay are you here making your off-topic speeches? You know where the debate is.
And as long as you're here, comment on the video, not the debate. This video isn't about you. It's about lunar ascents and the claims of Jarrah White and the arguments of Yesiamawizardjonny.
@Astrobrant2 So I guess you *are* wrong by making videos... The more sh** piles that are made, the more flies to be drawn to them. People find the moon landings more of something to ridicule than one of the greatest accomplishments in history. So continue to make more videos and I will continue to show my respects to what it is worth, to me and my generation. Lies don't deplete, they honor each other into a conglomeration of muss to attract more flies to its agenda in opposition...
Did you read the biography? Guess not. This passage was taken out of context. In this chapter Clinton speaks about a social and cultural divide. The older generation having problems in adapting to the rapidly changing technological situation. The carpenter is a metaphor for a generation. The older generation had difficulties believing the Moonlandings, belonging to a generation that was unable to comprehend what happened.
In the passage, Clinton said twice that he believed we went to the moon, but years later, when he got into politics, wondered if the "old carpenter" might have been ahead of his time with his comment that "those television fellers" could make things look real when they weren't.
Clinton's comment was obviously tongue-in-cheek and had nothing to do with Apollo. And it wouldn't make any difference if Clinton DID believe Apollo was faked.
@Astrobrant2 Yeah, in other words, Clinton didn't believe we went to the moon. Clinton was straight forward about his doubts, what does that mean? I get it, So what, it has nothing to do with the missions, but if it did you will exclude it while you ask at the same time, no one said we didn't go... For those that did said we did, it's Hurray, you see, there is no proof anyone said we didn't go. Who would challenge the government to end their political and or scientific career? Very few...
@GUARDIANtrooper Who cares what Clinton believed? There are plenty of people who believe stupid things... Such as aliens ruling our political parties. That notion is even more absurd that asserting that the Lunar Landings were faked.
People buy into a lot of shit these days. Clinton was probably tricked into believing Apollo was a hoax. Besides, don't you think the president would have access to the so-called "hoax" files?
@unparallelshadows There was nothing to indicate that Clinton ever doubted Apollo. But your point is a good one. It doesn't matter WHO thinks Apollo was fake. They'd be wrong.
@Astrobrant2 Exactly. These hoaxers come here and tell us that other people agree with them... Cool... Some people agree with what Hitler did... Does that make it right?
@Rob260259 That part in his book was straight forward and pertaining to the moon landings, he had doubts and it stands out strong and shoved back in his face the way it came out. It doesn't matter how old you are to turn on a lie detector. I am versus your trying repugnant suggestions on my intelligence, you know my age clown, find your rocking chair... Books are printed for a reason, so the generations can view and study. But lies can be printed too and the truth can be recalled to prove it...
@Rob260259 Executed by whom? LMAO!! I'm killing you clowns, that is why you can't stop coming for more to try to redeem yourself... Keep helping him, you don't see anyone running to help me, I don't need help. Why? Because we spread the offense to spread the defense. The board is lit up and the undecided is asking, what the hell is all this crap?
Brant will needs all his puppets and his stupid comrades to even think to win against me in a debate and that is a FACT... Go find your hiding spot...
@Rob260259 Ah yes, I remember him. During a troubled time, he was a bit of comic relief. Remember his last TV announcement, declaring that everything was completely under control, while we were watching videos of our tanks rolling into Baghdad? What a hoot! And is he the one that came up with the "Baby Milk Plant" propaganda? I was laughing my ass off. Workers in a bombed Iraqi factory wear jackets with "Baby Milk Plant" printed on them???
@moonhoaxlunatic1 When your boss start answering questions, it would be considered a debate. I see more and more of you clowns protecting and shielding him with your idiotic questions that I've answered a million times. Brant know I will blow him out of the box He wrote a little stupid message on his video and then at the same time, asked you idiots to figure out what my questions are about? LMAO! My questions are pretty simple, but he is pretty scared to answer them to get trapped...
this is obvious bullshit!! Jarrah has fully destroyed this pathetic shill of a child!! AHAHAH hes not a very good wizzard now that shill. HAHA little jonny, fuck off an take a nap LOLOLOL
@Astrobrant2 WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE? You get soooo offended when I tag your name to your puppets that you admit you have. And I guess you will reply with a, "SO WHAT?"
You are an uploader, therefore you sold your soul to Youtube with your voice attached, with every obligation necessary. Debating on your own videos give you no choice, but to create a lot of puppets to defend your position. Along with a few piggyback riders to agree, right or wrong, because they believe a moon mission...
@Cosmostrevor I think it's a fair bet he's not in Calculus yet. He's probably taking college Algebra. To be sure, that will give him fits. IF he had Algebra in high school, it would have been about 15 years ago. Most counselors would advise that someone in that situation pass an entry test or take a remedial math course first. Most likely non-credit.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jarrah had never solved a quadratic equation.
@Astrobrant2 If this is how you are going to try to win a debate against me, then you have already failed, lol! You feed on a crowd and insults to fancy your pivot. You unevenly place your plank across your fulcrum in manner of a disaster waiting to happen. You have no balance, just a bunch of parasites piling on your side of the level, because you uploaded. 71 videos just to prove the truth is evident is a failure, because it is inconclusive. And, Jarrah is not on trial, NASA is...
@Rob260259 I'll kill your little girlfriend and you know it... I'm absolutely nothing, but yet you use blocks to win nothing? How in the hell do you justify that? Lol, dude you are a loser to even write the word debate. Hit, run and blocking is not a win, it is a LOST and that matches the loser you are... Now go back to your little Youtube pathetic fake "Moon Land" (because this doesn't concern you) and hide behind your blocking apparatuses, because that is all you are good for Trolling clown...
@Rob260259 You blocked me, but commented on my page and often challenging my statements on videos, but you touched my nerve? I love it when you clowns think you won something after a hit and run, blocking and then erasing comments to win nothing, LMAO!!!! Let me tell you something fool. "You can't win if you don't play the game, a fool that hit and run will never gain..." You admit you blocked me for the same reason I answered your comment here, LMAO!! How do you justify that? That is a LOSER...
Wrong again Twoofer. There is no game. There are solid facts only. And they prove you wrong.
Yes, I commented on your page. Did I post anyting an insult?
You're just one of these hoax nuts trying to promote himself as being smarter than all experts and more credible than every legitimate source of information on the planet.
YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT? Brant won't answer you, because he know you are just plan STUPID...
Killing Brant, AKA (((Astrobrant2))) was in reference to killing him in the debate that we are having you idiotic clown, LOL! Where N-D HELL do you stupid people come from??? You must be a little kid, a very stupid little, LMAO!! Get off the computer and so something constructive and not destructive with that peanut you call a brain. Get some tweezers and go play...
@GUARDIANtrooper Lmao. Brant won't answer me? Sure, I just talk to him all of the time...
When you tell someone you're going to quote "Kill you and your friends." or "If you slip up, I'm going to kill people." That's not taken as a joke, you ignoramus.
You must be hands down, THE STUPIDEST person I have ever communicated with... You and AwE130 are a youtube laughing stock. Nobody takes you seriously, dude.
That puff out of the A9 S-IVB at ignition is just about what I'd expect for ignition of a large H2/O2 engine. Both propellants are cryogenic and non-hypergolic, and it takes several seconds for the turbopumps to spool up. Watch the space shuttle main engines igniting and you'll also see very prominent puffs of vapor until the engine settles down to steady state burning.
It's not Mylar. There was no Mylar anywhere on the outer surfaces of the LM, though it used internally within thermal blankets under the thin metal sheets covering the ascent stage. That stuff you see flying is all or nearly all Kapton, a much more rugged plastic that can withstand extremely high temperatures.
@NASAvsPETE1 -.- I can't believe you hoaxers, you really do believe that something like a series of moon landings can be kept a secret for over 40 years.
Hello? Not even Area 51 has remained completely hidden or secret despite the world's best and most strict defenses, and you believe they can keep a moon landing hoax intact to such a degree that not even scientists reveal it?
@Laurelindo yes and just like the missing Saturn 5 technology held within the classified blue prints, all of area 51 Apollo project was destroyed. Your only told what you need to hear, people sold their souls to a promise held by a president and which could not be filled in time, which is why they rushed Apollo 8 and the rest.
@GlowWorm1962 Weekly World News, youtube videos made by idiots, and crackpot conspiracist web sites, most likely. All the most trusted sources of information.
@theability How DARE you send people to another plume analysis!
[snerk]...just kidding. Thanks for the reference. I have to log off right now, but I'll check it out later. If I like it, I may put a link in my description box.
The interesting part about that image, I stumbled across it researching some things about your latest video update here, which seemed to collaborate points and statements.
@Astrobrant2 " HAHAHAHA! This is all FAKE! That's OBVIUSLY a peace of MILAR! u shills are so golable your nothing but a bunch of cheep NASA LIERS AND PAID TROLLS!!!!HAHAHAHAHAH! When are you gunna WAKE UP and smell the coffie its not the s4b duhhhhh its the lander thingy LOLOLOLOLO!!!! "
It's a damn shame your videos don't get as many views as Jarrah's. The true word of actual scientific education should be spread like wildfire to the masses of the internet. Young minds should not be taught conspiracy theories, but should be taught the reasons why they are wrong.
We should set up a movement called, "Saving Private Youtube." where we try to get the word out about the truth of Apollo and other NASA related stuff.
@yesiamawizardjonny Actually, my best-viewed video has more views than his best-viewed video. (I think.) Does he have any with 80,000 views?
But yeah, one doesn't expect this environment to be very fair that way. Some god-awful videos get six digits while some gems top out at 300. (Not referring to mine, in particular.)
BTW, did you see the views and ratings on YOUR video screen shot in MY video?
@yesiamawizardjonny I think jw's view count is grossly inflated by multiple "views'. Everytime someone returns to post another comment, by yt logic it's another view. Also, his audience is heavily Australian - if you check the stats on him (Does eating kangaroo meat affect the brain?), so the actual damage he does is quite a bit less than might at first appear to be the case.
@occhamite Hey now. I'd like to point out that White's view is not shared by most rational Aussies. Also I think yt counts unique page views- there was some hoaxer with his video, who got his panties in a bunch rattling on about how YT was deliberately suppressing his video counts, when someone managed to dredge up this fact. He was looking at how often we were coming in to kick his ass, and a discrepancy with the page count. This = CONSPIRACY!!!!!!
@krisdevalle "Hey now..." quite right. I should have added that Ralph, Bill K, Bill Wood, Bart are Americans - maybe eating Doritos or Big Macs affects the brain as well.
@yesiamawizardjonny One of the departed. Might have been deadlyradiation. There have been so many who pop up then burst like a bubble, never to be seen again.
@Astrobrant2, yes, I went snooping through the Apollo 9 footage (assuming NASA knew what they filmed) & shortly after I discovered it, I saw your video. I didn't know JW & Vinnie were exchanging these until a few days ago. Have you chatted with a lawyer yet? I think you'll find that in most cases 1 man's defamation is just another man's informed opinion ;)
Dang! I had just figured this out for myself & then found your good work, @astrobrant. We're both brilliant--you're just faster ;) JW has made himself a public figure by putting his face & voice on everything, including videos of himself watching TV. He exists. You may legally use his name. He is not deity ;)
@LunarTuner Are you talking about the S-IV-B? We've had same ideas before, IIRC. Next time, you'll beat me to the punch.
His lawyer initially demanded that I stop using his name. After my reply to him, he just said I couldn't use his name in a defamatory way. Of course, White gets to decide what is defamatory. I don't think this lawyer has actually watched any of his videos or mine. I don't think he knows his client very well. Nor do I think he cares.
Oops. Sorry, I meant to say, Outstanding Debunking Video! As ever, top notch work. I'm really beginning to wonder whether Jarrah even believes the crap he peddles now. Maybe he really does just fancy this as a way of fast tracking his name into media circles and he doesn't care what rubbish he produces. Maybe he figures he can always claim later that he's pulled an Andy Kaufman on everyone who opposed him. Either way, he's still an eejit.
For a man who enjoys Ranma 1/2, Jarrah really seems to have a lot of trouble displaying a sense of humor. (seriously, Ranma 1/2 is half action, half comedy).
Well first I would call your attention to the following cliche: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Though you might not enjoy it yourself, it doesn't mean that no one enjoys it. Personally I find them to be more mature then American made cartoons. Anime in Japan is more like live action here in the States. You can find almost every genre in Anime. Everything from comedy, horror, action, porn, drama, etc.
@Astrobrant2 I disagree on one point: What jw does isn't "research": It's more a scavenger hunt. JW "research" consists of diving into subjects he mistakenly assumes he understands, and with a performed conclusion, looking just long enough to see (more often imagine he sees) what he wants.
It's a bit like somebody thinking "If it rained, the grass will be wet", so they take a very brief peek out a corner of the nearest window - grass wet, it rained. It's called "Affirming The Consequent".
@occhamite To continue the analogy: 3 neighbors: No, it was a heavy dew. 1 neighbor: Good call, Kanga. You're a genius. cop: I've been on patrol all night. It didn't rain. Kanga: You're wrong. neighbor: The weather service says it hasn't rained for two days. Kanga: You're a liar. neighbor: Here's the report. Kanga: The last rain was 47 hours ago. That's not two days. So you lied. neighbor: So you admit rain isn't what made the grass wet? Kanga: No I don't. That's a strawman. etc.
@occhamite then the timer clicks on, and the sprinkler system starts up.... jw says " All of us AND the grass are wet... before there were no wet people, only grass..." ..........
Occham, would you rephrase that? I must have missed something because it didn't make any sense when i read it.
@yesiamawizardjonny "Occham, would you rephrase that? I must have missed something..." Right you are! That was as incomprehensible as it was unnecessary. Funny, it seems to make sense at the time. Glad you pointed it out.
This logical fallacy is also known as "transposing the conditional". 'If A then B' cannot just be turned round to 'If B then A'. Conspiracy theorists don't understand the difference between correlation and causation.
@BertieSlack Yes. So often, this seems to be THE basic characteristic of ct reasoning - it permeates everything they do, almost to the exclusion of any other way of thinking.
Yet, no one mentioned the "unspent fuel" this time around. Was I dreaming, or didn't JW claim that the momentary visible "plume" of the SIVB was incontrovertible proof that there should be a visible plume in the LM liftoff videos? Now, the momentary visible triangular plume from the APS engine is what? Glare from Mylar foil? That just happens to be only where the plume should be? Three times? And it's visible for the same length of time as the plume from the SIVB? The lad's persistent, isn't he?
@philwebb59 There's a big difference between the S-IVB and LM: the LM engines are pressure fed, the much larger S-IVB is pump fed and it takes a few seconds to spin up the turbines. We're also seeing S-IVB ignition from a different angle than the LM.
I would like to mention that if you watch a video of a Apollo launch you can see the rocket plume grow fainter as the ship gets higher and the plume also spreads out at a 80 odd degree angle, the expanation for this has to be the Apollo engine is running in a near vacuum, this angle is about the same as the angle of the piece of debris that is seen being blown away from the ascent stage lift off from the moon.
First class response yet again, Brant, and a big thumbs up to Vincent as well.
These Moon Hoaxers remind me of moths, constantly banging themselves against a light bulb, and not being able to figure out why they're getting nowhere.
[spelling correction shame on me] One little correction. When you talk about the debris you should talk about the strong INTENSELY HOT blast of debris. In a near true vacuum the only oxidation you can get from such material is from the material itself (virtually no atmosphere). The bright flash of this material would only be sustained by the chemical reaction of the materials themselves. That makes perfect sense why it looks like a flash of rainbow sparkles and not a shower of red sparks.
@ytmoog Really? Could you explain that in more detail? Like a modern movie projector in reverse? I've never even heard of such a thing. Still though, the light has to be emitted somehow and its not possible to have it being reflections from a thousand different angles. It has to be emitted from the debris itself. Depending on the alloys, they would emit different spectra as it burns or even heats up.
Colour tv cameras in those days used three different detector tubes each with a different coloured filter, so you would have one with a red filter, another with a green and another blue, from which a full colour image was built up from.
That would have been far too bulky and power demanding for Apollo, so they used a single detector tube and rapidly changed the filter between each frame.
So the colour image would be generated from images taken as slightly different times.
@ytmoog That's pretty cool. I did not know that. I have seen different metals burn, though, and different alloys burn with different colors and that was what had me thinking why it looks like rainbow sparks. The rapidly changing filter thing makes sense though.
@bamboo4tameshigiri Yep, the Apollo color video cameras used a spinning red-green-blue filter wheel. Not sure if I have the order of the color filters correct. The color video camera system worked so well that NASA kept using it until sometime in the late 1980's as I recall.
@GoneToPlaid I remember, now that we're talking about it, seeing a clip of a "mechanical" color TV that operated on the same principal. It was a video clip in some history channel history of gadgets kind of thing. Makes perfect sense it would work in reverse.
@GoneToPlaid The sequential field color system was adopted briefly in the 1950s for US color TV, then quickly replaced with the NTSC compatible system we used until a few years ago. But that required three camera tubes that too big for Apollo, so they resurrected a similar sequential system. The camera was standard B&W with the filter changed every field (1/60 sec). The sequence was actually B-G-R as seen in the last still of the ALS7 A17 liftoff set. A ground converter produced NTSC.
I think most of the time my own opinion of Jarrah is sort of the same as most people: Not many people agree on everything. As long as you accept those differing opinions, you can get along with him.
Problem is I've been having misgivings about the legal actions Jarrah has taken against AB2. They seem to be the height of frivolous.
@AtheistAussie I thought you knew about Jarrah. He's the hoax peddler who has filed 67 DMCAs on several people for using his YouTube video material. (Including TruthSurge). He filed 27 on me over a period of 7 months. The first 26 have been reinstated, along with 26 others on two other channels.
Watch his video, "YouTube's Craziest Psychopath." It's about me.
He has now filed defamation complaints on 14 of my videos, now blocked in Australia. And he has a lawyer to threaten me with court.
@moonhoaxlunatic1 "Please don't kill me. Please. Please let me read some more stupidities from you?" Now you have absolutely admitted to this account Brant, WTF? IDIOT, LMAO! Keep making those puppets, and thinking that it is your only escape hole. But beware, the Trooper will follow you to the end of Youtube, LMAO! Threatening to kill you physically? WTF? I wouldn't even debate with you LIVE, I wouldn't give you the time of the day. I'll blast you and your puppets with one account...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper I didn't see this comment before. Why don't you "follow me" right back to my debate video? That was the kind of dick-swinging talk that got you the special invitation in the first place. Your last post there was five days ago. So you don't have to follow me to the end of YouTube. Just go there and pick up where we left off: my debunking of your claim about the earth looking too small.
watch?v=YD6Gnr9GhVg
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper On second thought, let's postpone our conversation until later. This is a school night, it must be way past your bedtime, and you NEED your education.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 Yeah, get your warm milk and go to sleep and stop trying to keep up with the young generation, it is too many of us to wave off that easily. I clocked you about 1ish in the morning, this is your full-time job, LMAO! I don't go to public or private schools, I'm privileged, more like an intern than a student on a government facility, imagine that. I get to view things that normal people don't see to challenge the unthinkable. That is why I challenge the unthinkable, I'm not afraid...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper You aren't going to be any kind of intellectual leader in YOUR generation, much less mine. What did you do, drop out? Get kicked out? Or graduate? And if you graduated and your father is a lawyer, why aren't you in college?
You were born in my 19th year as a teacher. Everything you've said about Apollo is wrong. You aren't interested in the truth. You are pretending to know more than all the experts in the world when you don't know as much as most non-experts.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@moonhoaxlunatic1 Did he threaten to kill you? What a fucking idiot. That's a felony and a criminal offense...
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
1:56 is so awesome.
Has he said anything about that?
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
Is anyone still taking Jarrah White seriously? He refuses to disavow Ralph Rene, who claimed the accepted value for pi is wrong. This represents an error of epic proportions, making the claimant an obvious imbecile and/or charlatan. I knew Ralph personally and can tell you he was thoroughly incompetent in the physical sciences, which is why I quit working for him. One thing Ralph and Jarrah have in common is their total lack of education in the disciplines they are claiming expertise.
bddc201 1 month ago
@bddc201
"Is anyone still taking Jarrah White seriously?"
- I'm afraid yes. Well, most of the Moon hoax nuts do, cowardly hiding in the walled garden at Jarrah's place on YouTube. You know, that little field between dumbvalley and delusioncity.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Rob260259 You have the audacity to say someone is hiding and you hit and run behind blocks? LMAO!!
YES, people take Jarrah White seriously. You take Jarrah White seriously, because you just gave him a shout out and he's not even present to defend himself. Not to mention, your girlfriend blocked him, but claimed to want to debate with him LIVE, when I asked him after he asked me, "Why don't you ask Jarrah?" I don't forget anything and I don't lose much, and I know a LIE when I see Apollo...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper If you're referring to me, Jarrah has not been blocked on this channel for about a year.
It's amazing. You can't get anything right even when it has nothing to do with your dumb hoax theory. Must be frustrating. I guess that's what happens when people who don't know anything about anything presume to go out and publicly pretend to be know-it-alls.
Woes of the chronically wrong.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@moonhoaxlunatic1 He seems excessively hung up on this sock puppet stuff.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@moonhoaxlunatic1I know it's you Brant, LMAO! You know what I'm talking about, you called them hypothetical questions and then smeared them with misunderstood, instead of asking. Then you reached out to try to tag-team your friends (that you ran off) one even unsubscribed to you out of anger. Collapsing under pressure versus simple pellucid questions searching, testing your micrometer to fetch a possible trip-up. Hell yeah you are afraid to answer, I'll kill you if you slip...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
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GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
"See what happens to this piece of debris," Brant? It's a HOAX dude, you don't get, the whole thing is a HOAX, not just part of it. It's not really on the moon Brant, so you can use air, LMAO! Just before the crap was yanked up by the cable, they forced air out to blow the debris around to make it look real. And the airflow continued as they cranked the Dr. Seuss looking contraption up to the top of the crane. HOAX, only a fool would believe this crap after seeing it once...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
Wow... apart from your conceit and ignorance... you're funny. Too funny.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper You've just called the entire world's professional community in every discipline related to Apollo "fools."
While you and White, Sibrel, Percy, Rene, Kaysing, and the throngs of semi-literate, scientifically ignorant trolls who have seen a couple of hoax videos constitute the great revolutionary wing of uncredentialed truth-seekers who are here to set us all free from our gullibility.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 No, just the ones that won't admit the missions were faked. I've seen more than a couple of hoax videos, you have over 70 in opposition and you aren't an expert in any of the fields expressed. So why did you render your quest? Did your degrees in physics, meteorology, astronomy, etc., and lets not forget your trip to the moon to check behind NASA's antics, give you so much spare time to make videos and comment on them everyday on Youtube? Where are my books and videos to challenge?
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper I have spent more time than I care to admit over the last 30 years arguing on the Internet with people who make ridiculous claims. This hoax business is the most recent. It bothers me when I see ill-informaed, ill-motivated, unqualified wannabes pretending they're smarter than all the real experts in the world, trashing a great achievement, and attacking the people who defend it.
(cont'd)
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 Pt 2. I don't claim or pretend to be an expert. One doesn't need to be, in order to debunk the idiotic claims of hoax nuts. As far as astronomy is concerned, it has been a great interest of mine for almost 50 years and at times I have been very active in it. I have 15 college credits in it and have taught it, along with a "Man in Space" unit in 9th grade Unified Science.
I love science and learning and have acquired a well-calibrated bullshit detector over the years.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 Pt 3. My experience has been that hoax nuts seldom have any idea what they are talking about, yet they crash onto the scene pretending to be experts and spout off their ridiculous claims in often semi-illiterate and insulting style.
Now I couldn't help but notice that you continue to avoid any specific discussion of claims against Apollo. Again, what is your evidence, now that I've wiped out your claim that the earth is too small in Apollo photos?
Astrobrant2 1 month ago 4
@Astrobrant2 The good doesn't insult unless feels insulted. The Apollo missions, after been view to its fullest is an insult to our country and my generations will not stand for it. You haven't explained anything one bit, why the earth is too small in those pictures, too funny... I gave you a simple questions, just like all others, you beat around them with insults, but claim I insult for contesting an obvious lie. I'm not a Hoax nut, you are by making videos, LOOK AT YOURSELF DUDE... LMAO!!
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper Fortunately, what you won't stand for has no effect on historical and scientific fact.
Take your argument about the earth size back to the debate. It is off-topic here. I mathematically PROVED you were wrong. Now go back and tell why my proof was "so funny."
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 If you are not an expert of anything, then why are challenging personal opinions with no expertise to the subject? You are worse than the so-called conspiracy theorist. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, YOU ARE. I don't have any videos and books of any sort in my criteria in a retrieval device of any sort, pertaining to a Hoax or conspiracy, but you do... And if you have a detector of bull, then you must have turned it off while viewing the phony Moon Missions. Turn it on next time...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper I have enough knowledge, experience, and intelligence to shut down just about any hoax theory. One does not have to be an "expert" to totally debunk the amateur fools who holler hoax.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 Your knowledge of distorted experience to whatever it is you think you know, still doesn't make you a professional ANYTHING. You are no different from the opposition. You are more like a "Theorist Interrogator." When someone voices their assessment versus what you believe to be true, you attack. That is a full-time job and your videos are proof of that. Stop peeing in your hand in public, because people tend to stare. Besides, you can't wash off toxic with toxic waste...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper In other words, you STILL have no argument to make against Apollo because you're tired of being proven wrong every time you say something. So instead of continually engaging in off-topic personal attitude rants, why don't you just shut up? Too much ego? It must be frustrating.
I guess we can assume you are resigning from the debate we were supposed to be having.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 "Real experts," can LIE to you Brant, they are people just like you. Just because you have a degree in something, doesn't make you perfect. What happen to President Clinton? Did he not lie by saying, "I did not have relations with that woman?" He was smart enough to be the president and dumb enough to get caught lying. It's not about intellect dude, you don't have to have a degree to see a LIE. You are saying just that Brant and if you believe that, you are a complete idiot...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper "Just because you have a degree in something, doesn't make you perfect. What happen to President Clinton? Did he not lie by saying, "I did not have relations with that woman?" He was smart enough to be the president and dumb enough to get caught lying. It's not about intellect dude, you don't have to have a degree to see a LIE. You are saying just that Brant and if you believe that, you are a complete idiot..."
Why are you allowed to exist? You're too stupid!
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
"Bill Clinton"
- What an 'expert'. A 'sexpert' may be. LOL
I don't see what the mistake of a US president has to do with manned Moon landings. I guess you'll have to be a hoax nut to understand that.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Rob260259 Clinton said in his book, he didn't believe we went to the moon. Nevertheless, as always, you people over look every example to help you comprehend anything. Every time I give you an example, you focus on the key words, "President Clinton," and comment to it to change the subject, LMAO! Now tell me if that isn't just stupid? Now go back and read the comment and come back with some sense, Pretend if you have to, instead of spearing off absent minded gibberish, CLOWN...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper Why don't you give us the direct quote from Clinton? It wasn't very long. Have you even seen it, or are you just spouting someone else's garbage and praying it will be right.
Again, it will be shown that you have no idea what you are talking about or that you are just lying.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago 2
@GUARDIANtrooper "Clinton said in his book, he didn't believe we went to the moon"
No, he didn't. Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit.
BertieSlack 1 month ago
@Rob260259 Clinton had sex with a White House aide, then lied about it. Therefore Apollo was faked. C'mon Rob, connect the dots!
sheesh
Astrobrant2 1 month ago 2
@Rob260259 Wait. In my last post to you, I was unaware of the rest of the conversation. I've seen it now. So let me state it more correctly because I don't want to misrepresent GT's logic:
Bill Clinton was smart anough and educated enough to be President. Brant is smart and educated. Bill Clinton lied about having sex. Therefore Brant is lying about Apollo.
I think that's it, now.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2
"I think that's it, now"
- Yup. That sums it up. The Cousteau expeditions were all fake because of the DSK affair. The Iraqi/Iranian war was fake because of Saddam. And Beethoven never composed Für Elise in 1810, because he said "amici, comedia finita est" (my friends, the show is over).
Hoax nuts... what a laugh.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
What a fool you really are. Why can't you produce a vaguely plausible reason as to why scientists and experts the WHOLE WORLD OVER fail to see what is obvious to you and your ilk? Seriously, don't you think that’s a little odd?
There are NO credible people supporting your hoax belief system. ZERO.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Robinhood Why can't you see that you and your idiotic comrades aren't too convincing to show evidence of a moon landing, but instead building an OUT OF CON-TROLL NATION, LMAO!! I haven't seen anything about a moon landing to make me believe we went to a moon, period. How many videos have I put up clown? I'm just commenting on a video, convince me. I don't need a system, because you people make videos with my name in it. I must be doing something right to convince others of your wrong, many PMs.
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper Present your evidence against Apollo or get lost.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 I'm on duty quest, you can't lose me that easily. If you want me to leave you alone, I will, but I will not forfeit a debate on any platform of the playing field of Youtube. That is your suggestions, the reason why you are saying get lost, you are tired... I am everywhere I see you and everywhere you are not on this issue when time permits. New world tech will prove that we didn't go near the moon and my search for tomorrow will prove it in simple technology versus the yesteryears.
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper If you are not forfeiting the debate, then whay are you here making your off-topic speeches? You know where the debate is.
And as long as you're here, comment on the video, not the debate. This video isn't about you. It's about lunar ascents and the claims of Jarrah White and the arguments of Yesiamawizardjonny.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper You *are* doing something right: not making videos.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 So I guess you *are* wrong by making videos... The more sh** piles that are made, the more flies to be drawn to them. People find the moon landings more of something to ridicule than one of the greatest accomplishments in history. So continue to make more videos and I will continue to show my respects to what it is worth, to me and my generation. Lies don't deplete, they honor each other into a conglomeration of muss to attract more flies to its agenda in opposition...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
Fail again.
Did you read the biography? Guess not. This passage was taken out of context. In this chapter Clinton speaks about a social and cultural divide. The older generation having problems in adapting to the rapidly changing technological situation. The carpenter is a metaphor for a generation. The older generation had difficulties believing the Moonlandings, belonging to a generation that was unable to comprehend what happened.
How old are you, Troopy?
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Rob260259 He just turned 18. Or so he says.
In the passage, Clinton said twice that he believed we went to the moon, but years later, when he got into politics, wondered if the "old carpenter" might have been ahead of his time with his comment that "those television fellers" could make things look real when they weren't.
Clinton's comment was obviously tongue-in-cheek and had nothing to do with Apollo. And it wouldn't make any difference if Clinton DID believe Apollo was faked.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 (My comment was really for GT, not you.)
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 Yeah, in other words, Clinton didn't believe we went to the moon. Clinton was straight forward about his doubts, what does that mean? I get it, So what, it has nothing to do with the missions, but if it did you will exclude it while you ask at the same time, no one said we didn't go... For those that did said we did, it's Hurray, you see, there is no proof anyone said we didn't go. Who would challenge the government to end their political and or scientific career? Very few...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper Bull. He said twice, in the very passage you are referring to, that he did believe we went to the moon.
So you are wrong. AGAIN. So admit it, as you have said you would when you're wrong.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2
"So admit it"
- I'm having this 'Awe130 feeling' again...
Rob260259 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper Who cares what Clinton believed? There are plenty of people who believe stupid things... Such as aliens ruling our political parties. That notion is even more absurd that asserting that the Lunar Landings were faked.
People buy into a lot of shit these days. Clinton was probably tricked into believing Apollo was a hoax. Besides, don't you think the president would have access to the so-called "hoax" files?
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
@unparallelshadows There was nothing to indicate that Clinton ever doubted Apollo. But your point is a good one. It doesn't matter WHO thinks Apollo was fake. They'd be wrong.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 Exactly. These hoaxers come here and tell us that other people agree with them... Cool... Some people agree with what Hitler did... Does that make it right?
GUARDIANtrooper's arguments are pretty pathetic.
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
@Rob260259 That part in his book was straight forward and pertaining to the moon landings, he had doubts and it stands out strong and shoved back in his face the way it came out. It doesn't matter how old you are to turn on a lie detector. I am versus your trying repugnant suggestions on my intelligence, you know my age clown, find your rocking chair... Books are printed for a reason, so the generations can view and study. But lies can be printed too and the truth can be recalled to prove it...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper Take that portion of Clinton's book to your English teacher and ask him/her to explain it to you.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
You fail again Trooper. Sorry to see you're being executed here.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Rob260259 Executed by whom? LMAO!! I'm killing you clowns, that is why you can't stop coming for more to try to redeem yourself... Keep helping him, you don't see anyone running to help me, I don't need help. Why? Because we spread the offense to spread the defense. The board is lit up and the undecided is asking, what the hell is all this crap?
Brant will needs all his puppets and his stupid comrades to even think to win against me in a debate and that is a FACT... Go find your hiding spot...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2
When reading the crap of young Trooper my 'Awe feeling' is replaced by the 'Al Sahaf sensation...
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Rob260259 Ah yes, I remember him. During a troubled time, he was a bit of comic relief. Remember his last TV announcement, declaring that everything was completely under control, while we were watching videos of our tanks rolling into Baghdad? What a hoot! And is he the one that came up with the "Baby Milk Plant" propaganda? I was laughing my ass off. Workers in a bombed Iraqi factory wear jackets with "Baby Milk Plant" printed on them???
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@moonhoaxlunatic1 When your boss start answering questions, it would be considered a debate. I see more and more of you clowns protecting and shielding him with your idiotic questions that I've answered a million times. Brant know I will blow him out of the box He wrote a little stupid message on his video and then at the same time, asked you idiots to figure out what my questions are about? LMAO! My questions are pretty simple, but he is pretty scared to answer them to get trapped...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
In conclusion, Jarrah White is a fucking retard. End of story. :)
supergsx 2 months ago 14
this is obvious bullshit!! Jarrah has fully destroyed this pathetic shill of a child!! AHAHAH hes not a very good wizzard now that shill. HAHA little jonny, fuck off an take a nap LOLOLOL
nasafuckedme2 2 months ago
@nasafuckedme2 Oh welllll, here we go again! So are you a sock puppet of NASAvsPETE, or deadjesus/monkeyman? Maybe stalkervision?
Astrobrant2 2 months ago
@Astrobrant2 I am not a sock, shill. Fuck off becuz Jarrah is destroying u!!
nasafuckedme2 2 months ago
@nasafuckedme2 [sigh]
Let's see what you say after my next video.
Astrobrant2 2 months ago
@Astrobrant2 "Oh welllll, here we go again! So are you a sock puppet..." I suspect it's sv. PM me about it if you want.
occhamite 2 months ago
@Astrobrant2 WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE? You get soooo offended when I tag your name to your puppets that you admit you have. And I guess you will reply with a, "SO WHAT?"
You are an uploader, therefore you sold your soul to Youtube with your voice attached, with every obligation necessary. Debating on your own videos give you no choice, but to create a lot of puppets to defend your position. Along with a few piggyback riders to agree, right or wrong, because they believe a moon mission...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@nasafuckedme2 Jarrah is dumb, lying coward whom has just recently flunked calculus.
Cosmostrevor 2 months ago
@Cosmostrevor How do you know about this calculus thing?
Astrobrant2 2 months ago
@Astrobrant2 Actually, I don't know why I made that comment. I guess I just assumed the shit took calculus this semester and flunked the midterm.
Cosmostrevor 2 months ago
@Cosmostrevor I think it's a fair bet he's not in Calculus yet. He's probably taking college Algebra. To be sure, that will give him fits. IF he had Algebra in high school, it would have been about 15 years ago. Most counselors would advise that someone in that situation pass an entry test or take a remedial math course first. Most likely non-credit.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jarrah had never solved a quadratic equation.
Astrobrant2 2 months ago
@Astrobrant2 If this is how you are going to try to win a debate against me, then you have already failed, lol! You feed on a crowd and insults to fancy your pivot. You unevenly place your plank across your fulcrum in manner of a disaster waiting to happen. You have no balance, just a bunch of parasites piling on your side of the level, because you uploaded. 71 videos just to prove the truth is evident is a failure, because it is inconclusive. And, Jarrah is not on trial, NASA is...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper This is not the debate video.
Astrobrant2 1 month ago
@Astrobrant2 The world of Youtube is the battlefield, you follow me, I'll follow you...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
"to win a debate against me"
- LOL
It takes at least two for a debate GT. And you are absolutely nothing.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Rob260259 I'll kill your little girlfriend and you know it... I'm absolutely nothing, but yet you use blocks to win nothing? How in the hell do you justify that? Lol, dude you are a loser to even write the word debate. Hit, run and blocking is not a win, it is a LOST and that matches the loser you are... Now go back to your little Youtube pathetic fake "Moon Land" (because this doesn't concern you) and hide behind your blocking apparatuses, because that is all you are good for Trolling clown...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
I must have touched a little nerve.
You are blocked for the reason that you were constantly insulting. Which is some kind of usance for many hoax nuts anyway.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@Rob260259 You blocked me, but commented on my page and often challenging my statements on videos, but you touched my nerve? I love it when you clowns think you won something after a hit and run, blocking and then erasing comments to win nothing, LMAO!!!! Let me tell you something fool. "You can't win if you don't play the game, a fool that hit and run will never gain..." You admit you blocked me for the same reason I answered your comment here, LMAO!! How do you justify that? That is a LOSER...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper
Wrong again Twoofer. There is no game. There are solid facts only. And they prove you wrong.
Yes, I commented on your page. Did I post anyting an insult?
You're just one of these hoax nuts trying to promote himself as being smarter than all experts and more credible than every legitimate source of information on the planet.
Aah.. was that an insult? I'm so sorry man.
Rob260259 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper You need to stop threatening to kill people, fuck tard. If you do it again, someone's liable to contact the police.
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
@unparallelshadows LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT? Brant won't answer you, because he know you are just plan STUPID...
Killing Brant, AKA (((Astrobrant2))) was in reference to killing him in the debate that we are having you idiotic clown, LOL! Where N-D HELL do you stupid people come from??? You must be a little kid, a very stupid little, LMAO!! Get off the computer and so something constructive and not destructive with that peanut you call a brain. Get some tweezers and go play...
GUARDIANtrooper 1 month ago
@GUARDIANtrooper Lmao. Brant won't answer me? Sure, I just talk to him all of the time...
When you tell someone you're going to quote "Kill you and your friends." or "If you slip up, I'm going to kill people." That's not taken as a joke, you ignoramus.
You must be hands down, THE STUPIDEST person I have ever communicated with... You and AwE130 are a youtube laughing stock. Nobody takes you seriously, dude.
unparallelshadows 1 month ago
That puff out of the A9 S-IVB at ignition is just about what I'd expect for ignition of a large H2/O2 engine. Both propellants are cryogenic and non-hypergolic, and it takes several seconds for the turbopumps to spool up. Watch the space shuttle main engines igniting and you'll also see very prominent puffs of vapor until the engine settles down to steady state burning.
ApolloWasReal 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Astrobrant2
It's not Mylar. There was no Mylar anywhere on the outer surfaces of the LM, though it used internally within thermal blankets under the thin metal sheets covering the ascent stage. That stuff you see flying is all or nearly all Kapton, a much more rugged plastic that can withstand extremely high temperatures.
ApolloWasReal 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Astrobrant2
Well done, Brant! It's me, Trevor, by the way.
PsycheandCosmos 3 months ago
@PsycheandCosmos What's up with all these new accounts, Trev??
lol
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
stupidity get you no where Mr Brant.
NASAvsPETE1 3 months ago
@NASAvsPETE1 "stupidity get you no where Mr Brant.
Which is why I gave up on it about 50 years ago.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2 " 'stupidity get you no where Mr Brant.'
Which is why I gave up on it about 50 years ago."
I think his statement is ironic, don't you, Brant?
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny Comments from woo-woos, wackos, and crackpots usually are.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@NASAvsPETE1 -.- I can't believe you hoaxers, you really do believe that something like a series of moon landings can be kept a secret for over 40 years.
Hello? Not even Area 51 has remained completely hidden or secret despite the world's best and most strict defenses, and you believe they can keep a moon landing hoax intact to such a degree that not even scientists reveal it?
Wow...!
Laurelindo 3 months ago
@Laurelindo yes and just like the missing Saturn 5 technology held within the classified blue prints, all of area 51 Apollo project was destroyed. Your only told what you need to hear, people sold their souls to a promise held by a president and which could not be filled in time, which is why they rushed Apollo 8 and the rest.
NASAvsPETE1 3 months ago
@NASAvsPETE1 So where do you get all your information - please name your sources.
GlowWorm1962 3 months ago
@GlowWorm1962 Weekly World News, youtube videos made by idiots, and crackpot conspiracist web sites, most likely. All the most trusted sources of information.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
Here is an excellent page that shows the break down of the Apollo 17 Lunar ascent video, frame by frame.
Navigate to the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, then proceed to Apollo 17. Then select, video library subheading.
Once on that page you will find near the bottom of the page, this link:
"Freeze-frame picture series: a visual dissection of ignition and lift-off; 395KB"
Yes, indeed we did.
theability 3 months ago
@theability How DARE you send people to another plume analysis!
[snerk]...just kidding. Thanks for the reference. I have to log off right now, but I'll check it out later. If I like it, I may put a link in my description box.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2
The interesting part about that image, I stumbled across it researching some things about your latest video update here, which seemed to collaborate points and statements.
theability 3 months ago
I don't see any hoaxers posting here. Does anybody know where they are?
HyperAlienReality 3 months ago
@HyperAlienReality If you really miss it, okay, here you go:
HAHAHAHA! This is all FAKE! That's OBVIUSLY a peace of MILAR! u shills are so golable your nothing but a bunch of cheep NASA LIERS AND PAID TROLLS!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAH! When are you gunna WAKE UP and smell the coffie its not the s4b duhhhhh its the lander thingy LOLOLOLOLO!!!!
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2 " HAHAHAHA! This is all FAKE! That's OBVIUSLY a peace of MILAR! u shills are so golable your nothing but a bunch of cheep NASA LIERS AND PAID TROLLS!!!!HAHAHAHAHAH! When are you gunna WAKE UP and smell the coffie its not the s4b duhhhhh its the lander thingy LOLOLOLOLO!!!! "
That was shockingly convincing...
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2 That's a great impression of the typical hoax-nut!
Textual mimicry! Cool.
eventcone 3 months ago
Great stuff as always.
pantocyclus 3 months ago
It's a damn shame your videos don't get as many views as Jarrah's. The true word of actual scientific education should be spread like wildfire to the masses of the internet. Young minds should not be taught conspiracy theories, but should be taught the reasons why they are wrong.
We should set up a movement called, "Saving Private Youtube." where we try to get the word out about the truth of Apollo and other NASA related stuff.
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny Actually, my best-viewed video has more views than his best-viewed video. (I think.) Does he have any with 80,000 views?
But yeah, one doesn't expect this environment to be very fair that way. Some god-awful videos get six digits while some gems top out at 300. (Not referring to mine, in particular.)
BTW, did you see the views and ratings on YOUR video screen shot in MY video?
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2 Too bad I don't get that many views! haha
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny I think jw's view count is grossly inflated by multiple "views'. Everytime someone returns to post another comment, by yt logic it's another view. Also, his audience is heavily Australian - if you check the stats on him (Does eating kangaroo meat affect the brain?), so the actual damage he does is quite a bit less than might at first appear to be the case.
occhamite 3 months ago
@occhamite Hey now. I'd like to point out that White's view is not shared by most rational Aussies. Also I think yt counts unique page views- there was some hoaxer with his video, who got his panties in a bunch rattling on about how YT was deliberately suppressing his video counts, when someone managed to dredge up this fact. He was looking at how often we were coming in to kick his ass, and a discrepancy with the page count. This = CONSPIRACY!!!!!!
krisdevalle 3 months ago
@krisdevalle "Hey now..." quite right. I should have added that Ralph, Bill K, Bill Wood, Bart are Americans - maybe eating Doritos or Big Macs affects the brain as well.
occhamite 3 months ago
@krisdevalle Who was it?
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@krisdevalle (Who was the conspiracy theorist rattling about view counts)?
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny One of the departed. Might have been deadlyradiation. There have been so many who pop up then burst like a bubble, never to be seen again.
krisdevalle 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2, yes, I went snooping through the Apollo 9 footage (assuming NASA knew what they filmed) & shortly after I discovered it, I saw your video. I didn't know JW & Vinnie were exchanging these until a few days ago. Have you chatted with a lawyer yet? I think you'll find that in most cases 1 man's defamation is just another man's informed opinion ;)
LunarTuner 3 months ago
@LunarTuner I'll PM you on this.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
Dang! I had just figured this out for myself & then found your good work, @astrobrant. We're both brilliant--you're just faster ;) JW has made himself a public figure by putting his face & voice on everything, including videos of himself watching TV. He exists. You may legally use his name. He is not deity ;)
LunarTuner 3 months ago
@LunarTuner Are you talking about the S-IV-B? We've had same ideas before, IIRC. Next time, you'll beat me to the punch.
His lawyer initially demanded that I stop using his name. After my reply to him, he just said I couldn't use his name in a defamatory way. Of course, White gets to decide what is defamatory. I don't think this lawyer has actually watched any of his videos or mine. I don't think he knows his client very well. Nor do I think he cares.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
Three words Astrobrant...
Langley Research Center!
Oops. Sorry, I meant to say, Outstanding Debunking Video! As ever, top notch work. I'm really beginning to wonder whether Jarrah even believes the crap he peddles now. Maybe he really does just fancy this as a way of fast tracking his name into media circles and he doesn't care what rubbish he produces. Maybe he figures he can always claim later that he's pulled an Andy Kaufman on everyone who opposed him. Either way, he's still an eejit.
Apogee02UK 3 months ago
@Apogee02UK White's lawyer also demands that I remove all visitors' comments which "defame" or "disparage" Jarrah.
Let me check...
Okay, it's a .05 on my defam-o-lyzer. So you just got in under the wire, but you must promise to go straight home.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2
For a man who enjoys Ranma 1/2, Jarrah really seems to have a lot of trouble displaying a sense of humor. (seriously, Ranma 1/2 is half action, half comedy).
stbays 3 months ago
@stbays What is the big deal with Anime, anyway? I always found it to be one of the lamest things ever drawn haha
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny
Well first I would call your attention to the following cliche: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Though you might not enjoy it yourself, it doesn't mean that no one enjoys it. Personally I find them to be more mature then American made cartoons. Anime in Japan is more like live action here in the States. You can find almost every genre in Anime. Everything from comedy, horror, action, porn, drama, etc.
stbays 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2 I disagree on one point: What jw does isn't "research": It's more a scavenger hunt. JW "research" consists of diving into subjects he mistakenly assumes he understands, and with a performed conclusion, looking just long enough to see (more often imagine he sees) what he wants.
It's a bit like somebody thinking "If it rained, the grass will be wet", so they take a very brief peek out a corner of the nearest window - grass wet, it rained. It's called "Affirming The Consequent".
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occhamite 3 months ago
@occhamite then the timer clicks on, and the sprinkler system starts up.... jw says " All of us AND the grass are wet... before there were no wet people, only grass..." ..........
Occham, would you rephrase that? I must have missed something because it didn't make any sense when i read it.
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occhamite 3 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny "Occham, would you rephrase that? I must have missed something..." Right you are! That was as incomprehensible as it was unnecessary. Funny, it seems to make sense at the time. Glad you pointed it out.
occhamite 3 months ago
@occhamite The whole paragraph. I was unable to quote the whole thing though.
yesiamawizardjonny 3 months ago
@occhamite "Affirming the consequent"
This logical fallacy is also known as "transposing the conditional". 'If A then B' cannot just be turned round to 'If B then A'. Conspiracy theorists don't understand the difference between correlation and causation.
BertieSlack 3 months ago
@BertieSlack Yes. So often, this seems to be THE basic characteristic of ct reasoning - it permeates everything they do, almost to the exclusion of any other way of thinking.
occhamite 3 months ago
Great work Brant! The usual mix of subtle, but original observations and down-to earth, common sense approach.
occhamite 3 months ago
Nice catch on the debris Brant. And another good video.
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Yet, no one mentioned the "unspent fuel" this time around. Was I dreaming, or didn't JW claim that the momentary visible "plume" of the SIVB was incontrovertible proof that there should be a visible plume in the LM liftoff videos? Now, the momentary visible triangular plume from the APS engine is what? Glare from Mylar foil? That just happens to be only where the plume should be? Three times? And it's visible for the same length of time as the plume from the SIVB? The lad's persistent, isn't he?
philwebb59 3 months ago
@philwebb59 JW must spend a lot of time in hospital having bullets removed from his foot. lol
musicbruv 3 months ago
@musicbruv More like Jw's gotten to be an expert at removing bullets from his feet with his teeth.
occhamite 3 months ago
@occhamite Foot in mouth to remove bullets? Sounds about right.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@philwebb59 "persistent..." I can think of a couple of other adjectives, here.
I'm waiting to see if he tries to continue the mylar foil argument. The more he is refuted, the more fun his arguments get.
Did you notice how he used a relatively poor quality of video for his mylar argument? I think he has better quality clips.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@philwebb59 There's a big difference between the S-IVB and LM: the LM engines are pressure fed, the much larger S-IVB is pump fed and it takes a few seconds to spin up the turbines. We're also seeing S-IVB ignition from a different angle than the LM.
ApolloWasReal 3 months ago
"I have to wonder why hoax peddlers keep coming back."
Two words: closet masochism. :-)
Good vid. As we've come to expect from you.
419Films 3 months ago
I really enjoy your videos. I lean something new each time and get answers to questions I had yet to ask. I hope we go back soon.
TheAncientScribes 3 months ago
I would like to mention that if you watch a video of a Apollo launch you can see the rocket plume grow fainter as the ship gets higher and the plume also spreads out at a 80 odd degree angle, the expanation for this has to be the Apollo engine is running in a near vacuum, this angle is about the same as the angle of the piece of debris that is seen being blown away from the ascent stage lift off from the moon.
musicbruv 3 months ago
First class response yet again, Brant, and a big thumbs up to Vincent as well.
These Moon Hoaxers remind me of moths, constantly banging themselves against a light bulb, and not being able to figure out why they're getting nowhere.
TheEvilOfScientology 3 months ago
Another excellent video AB2.
eventcone 3 months ago
Good video AB2, and nicely spotted on the SIVB.
ytmoog 3 months ago
@ytmoog Yep. Good catch. That explains the long burn.
philwebb59 3 months ago
Top video, indeed don't know why they bother coming back when videos like this simply tear hoax vids apart into tiny little microscopic pieces. ;) .
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PETE4REALITY 3 months ago
Great video, as always! :-)
ChrissyoSpace 3 months ago
Another excellent video Astrobrant2, I always look forward to watching your video debunking of hoax nuts, keep up the good work.
musicbruv 3 months ago
[spelling correction shame on me] One little correction. When you talk about the debris you should talk about the strong INTENSELY HOT blast of debris. In a near true vacuum the only oxidation you can get from such material is from the material itself (virtually no atmosphere). The bright flash of this material would only be sustained by the chemical reaction of the materials themselves. That makes perfect sense why it looks like a flash of rainbow sparkles and not a shower of red sparks.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri
The rainbow effect in the debris is down the the way the camera captures colour.
It used a rotating disk with different coloured filters capturing one frame through each in turn, these are joined together to create a colour image.
So anything moving very quickly will seem to change colour.
ytmoog 3 months ago
@ytmoog Really? Could you explain that in more detail? Like a modern movie projector in reverse? I've never even heard of such a thing. Still though, the light has to be emitted somehow and its not possible to have it being reflections from a thousand different angles. It has to be emitted from the debris itself. Depending on the alloys, they would emit different spectra as it burns or even heats up.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri
Colour tv cameras in those days used three different detector tubes each with a different coloured filter, so you would have one with a red filter, another with a green and another blue, from which a full colour image was built up from.
That would have been far too bulky and power demanding for Apollo, so they used a single detector tube and rapidly changed the filter between each frame.
So the colour image would be generated from images taken as slightly different times.
ytmoog 3 months ago
@ytmoog That's pretty cool. I did not know that. I have seen different metals burn, though, and different alloys burn with different colors and that was what had me thinking why it looks like rainbow sparks. The rapidly changing filter thing makes sense though.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri Moog is one of those guys who always gives good explanations for technical things.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri Yep, the Apollo color video cameras used a spinning red-green-blue filter wheel. Not sure if I have the order of the color filters correct. The color video camera system worked so well that NASA kept using it until sometime in the late 1980's as I recall.
GoneToPlaid 3 months ago
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@GoneToPlaid I remember, now that we're talking about it, seeing a clip of a "mechanical" color TV that operated on the same principal. It was a video clip in some history channel history of gadgets kind of thing. Makes perfect sense it would work in reverse.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 months ago
@GoneToPlaid The sequential field color system was adopted briefly in the 1950s for US color TV, then quickly replaced with the NTSC compatible system we used until a few years ago. But that required three camera tubes that too big for Apollo, so they resurrected a similar sequential system. The camera was standard B&W with the filter changed every field (1/60 sec). The sequence was actually B-G-R as seen in the last still of the ALS7 A17 liftoff set. A ground converter produced NTSC.
ApolloWasReal 3 months ago
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bamboo4tameshigiri 3 months ago
Jarrah White is like Voldemort now?
mercatormac 3 months ago
So this Jarrah fellow that you pay scant attention to in the video, decent fellow or what ?
AtheistAussie 3 months ago
@AtheistAussie
I think most of the time my own opinion of Jarrah is sort of the same as most people: Not many people agree on everything. As long as you accept those differing opinions, you can get along with him.
Problem is I've been having misgivings about the legal actions Jarrah has taken against AB2. They seem to be the height of frivolous.
stbays 3 months ago
@AtheistAussie I thought you knew about Jarrah. He's the hoax peddler who has filed 67 DMCAs on several people for using his YouTube video material. (Including TruthSurge). He filed 27 on me over a period of 7 months. The first 26 have been reinstated, along with 26 others on two other channels.
Watch his video, "YouTube's Craziest Psychopath." It's about me.
He has now filed defamation complaints on 14 of my videos, now blocked in Australia. And he has a lawyer to threaten me with court.
Astrobrant2 3 months ago
@Astrobrant2 I went to his channel, can't see that video... got a link?
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