@Hungaroctonul DUMB ass i never said i wasent american why do you think i got mad when you called me hungarian WOW i agree lets stop speaking salut awell
@Hungaroctonul DUMB FUCK im not hungarian im american and not you dont have the blood of the ANCIENT INDO_ARYAN becouse that is the royal blood ,KING TUT himself has been tested to have R1B CELTIC ARYAN ROYAL BLOOD read it and weep the ancient ido-aryans are the celto\norse that is the blood that has VRIL you are not one of us you dont have the atlantian genes or you would have KNOWN BY NOW by by looser
@Hungaroctonul IDIOT im not hungarian im IRISH SCOTT ROYAL LINE ,also your stupidness is the key here ,Getica and Galienus are of celtic origin you know much of nothing , ALSO a little fact for you STUPID, german is a half LATIN toung germany has been tested to have ONLY 20 % tuton DNA while it has 80% CELTIC you dumb FUCK one more time ALL THE RIVER DANUBE HAD CELTS FUCK YOUR LITTLE 3RD WORD NATION, and this hungay you speak of
last time dumbass those dacians you named are children of tiras who tribes worshiped him as thor they are celto\norse in their heritage these are not the people there now you dumb fuck, Also looser i could never be Hungayrian as i am from the line of CELTO\NORSE KINGS YOU SHIT HEAD
clearly you dont know you history becouse you think you are decened from dacian if your not celto\norse you are not hallstat or le tane , you the people left over an mixed with random trobes thanks to rome if you had royal blood you would KNOW BY NOW you need a NON SLAV HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPEND .celts,scythian,norse,kurgan all same line of kings not you slav
@Hungaroctonul WOW FOOL you have told me nothing thracian is NOAHS grandson tiras you dumbass whos children called him thor wow we all know celtic and norse culture come from same root and the tribes are interrelated pelasgian means atlantian witch is hyperborian root of celto\norse culture you FUCKINGDUMBASS what you dont know is whom are the children of japhet combined with that are preflood from atlantis and who is thier forfather if you had DRUID BLOOD you would already know these THINGS!
unomnecajit11 ESTI UN MARE GAOZAR! FRAIERULE! DISPARI DIN TARA ASTA! DE CAND SI PANA CAND FACI ASTFEL DE AFIRMATII??? CA AICI NU AU FOST ROMANI? NU NE TRAGEM DE ACOLO? ESTI TAMPIT DE A DREPTUL. FUCK OFF!!!
I2a2 (formerly I1b) is typical of the Dinaric Slavs (Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks). Its highest density is observed around ex-Yugoslavia and Moldova, but it is also common to a lower extent in Albania, Northern Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Belarus, and southwestern Russia. The high concentratio of I2a2 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Tripolye culture (EUpedia).
@MrFefefofo Hey boy, to finish all controversy with your ethnic identity, make an genetic test, it cost only 100 dollars in Genographyc Programm. I am sure you have not mongolic genes on you, but your genes are pure tracho-romanians. You are so confused about your identity cause in xvii-xix century this was the politics of hungars grophs to change all the non-ethnic hungarians in magyars. So, magyars means all non-ethnic hungarians which their ethnic identity was changed and washed away
at 1:10... tyoical romanian interpretation.....this culture was not centered to the area of the present Romanina , but to the Charpatian basin, including north Balkan....
the importance is at the end of the movie...what lenguage did they speake?
Sertainly not indo-european, but the ancient agglitunative lenguages like the basks, etrusks. sumers, scytians, hungarians.... the motives and simbols connect this culture, the the charpatian basin centered Körös-Tordos-Vinca culture. The most important figure is the Mother Goddes.....
Its ancient name in hungarians the "Nagyboldogasszony".
@Hungaroctonul the problem is that the romanians migrated to the present area from the balkan from the X- cenetury continously. They have nothing to do with this culture, that was a neolitic, culture, .
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aiam sorry but that is the truth...learn to read first...u know:a,b,c,d,e,f...etc...in hungaeian,and than READ!and after that come here and speack your stupid parazit mind.Like all the slave souls proud of their stupidity.Sorry again.kisses from an oltean person.
Ps way do u want to take credit for something that u didnt do a little shit? U lazy parasite people?
sorry for my orthographic mistakes.I dont give a shit.Im a romanian.U know?? Tracia,dacia,romania??? The very FIRST craddle of known CIVILISATION!!!!can u solve that ecuation with 3 unknwon?u canttttttttttttt! ...'cause u know why...it will come a day when u all will be sorry for all the bullshit u tried to serve us.My simpathy goes out for you...
@tachyonix First of all I would like to tell you that your comment is excellent that you fall into discredit. Most of undereducated man like you can not do anything else, just offending the other one. Tray to be gentlamen and stsay on the field of argur. Here are some good examples. That is true not too many but there is.
@MrFefefofo you again??? what's wrong with you man? did you check your genealogic tree like I asked you to? I haven't even read your comments and I am sure you're again trying to prove that romanians came from Mars and hungarians are the original inhabitants of Europe when in fsct today's hungarian language spread just like the spanish in South America. It doesn't hold man, no matter how many times you repeat your nonsense you cannot convince anyone but the lowest-IQ-people... Stop it!
@unomnacajit11 I do not want to convince anyone. just I told that no science can prove that the romanians were present on the area of the Romania today.1000 years ago. In Moldva, and Transilvania the origin of the settlements are not romanain. Even the country name is not romanians but turk, for example Vaslui, Tipical Turk-Coman name. Where were the romanains then? You have to prove you were here not me. do not mix the things together. The burden of proves, is yours.
@MrFefefofo cocksucker, tens of people here have answered your stupid questions, I included. When you're proven wrong once, you should stop arguing, unless you're mentally ill. Take your medicine kid...
One interesting thing about this culture is that they used to draw maps of Greater Hungary on cave walls, along with some mystical writings which today's hungarian h(i)sterians have suggested mean "Nem, nem, Soha".
@onoaptelunga I think the Western Europeans seek to downplay the accomplishments of the East. I will say that I am having more respect for Eastern Europeans as a whole, I had problems at first, but I am impressed with their advancements as well as intrigued by their exoticism
@onoaptelunga I wonder if there was already a architectural heritage that the Greeks incorporated when they visited E. Europe. Forgive me for my ignorance on the subject but those were just summations and guesses.
@onoaptelunga I agree. even as a child in school watching movies about Vlad the Impaler, I thought other than this you never hear any history about Eastern Europe, you would only hear the bad things. It is a big Blank in the West about Eastern Europe, It makes me wonder what do they want to hide. I know only this about E. Europe that it was influenced by the Greeks, but the Greeks had to build from something to make Cyrrilic Script. Also while E. European Architecture is Eastern Influenced-
For hungarians: The blood group of this people was A therefore they were europeans, and no way turcik, scythian or related to hunagrians. The maghiars are with B blood group. The marks of cucuteni/trypillia are encountered on romanian traditional clothes! Thumbs up if you agree!
@ZamolxesWolf some primitive motives are on the romanains folk clothes, but the reason is that the romanian motives stayed at the geometric form it did not developed to higher leverl than the flowers for example only in the last some 10 years, But these primitive geometric form can be vound on every folk clotehs, not only oón the romanians because of their primitivity.
@ZamolxesWolf For you: Not agree..Magyars mostly(46%) have blood type A!What is certain that the cultural artifacts showing the truth,as the runic script what was the ancient writing of the Magyar tribes!And the clay tablets which where found at Tatárlaka(Tátáriá) in the 60's where made at least 4500-5000 years ago!And only the Magyar tribes used this runic scripts until the christianity and forced use of the latin!No other ethnic group used runic scripts in carphatian basin!Agree or not!
@ZamolxesWolf For you: Not agree! It was possible to examine the bones of the Magyar tribe members bones from the 10th. century found in graves all over carphatian basin!The DNA examination showes this: the homecomeing Magyar tribe members where only 24% asian mitocondrium!!The caucasian european DNA mitocondrium where largely appeared!!So who dares to say that the Magyar tribes in the Xth.century wherent europeans??Agree or not this is pure facts!
@onoaptelunga I think this is very interesting, my fault is not with the civilization in and of itself, my problem is with White supremacist who attempt to use Cucuteni, as a spring board for justifying the mythical creation of a White Ancient Egypt. I have no fault with Cucuteni, I am glad this was found we dont hear enough about the ancient cultures in this part of the world.
What people in Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, and the Republic of Moldova and other places where this civilization was located is this...these people were NOT your ancestors ok? They are very different (plus most of the people in the countries I just mentioned are Slavic), they were in that part of Europe before the Indo-Europeans came along.
@JoezettE88 They were Romanians ancestors allright!The Iranians were just a small layer over the top of local populations and civilisation.The massive colonisation of Europe by Asians from arid deserts is a fake theory .In Romania there are many continuously dwelled sites from paleolithic to modern-day villages.Vinca Turdas,GarlaMare,Gumelnita,Hamangia,all these old cultures,plus the oldest fossile humans scatterd in our places are direct ancestors of our language,genes,blood,folklore.customs.
@MrCraiessou They where celts look at the swirls ROMANS kill the celts that lived there and named it ROMANIA they where no romanian people at that time the where danube celts
@dagnab1 The celts you are talking about are some millenia after Cucuteni-Danube civilisation.The Danube area was the craddle of Europeans,Greeks and Romans have their roots here in this first rich agricultural basin,the most important of Europe.Romanians are the direct genetic and cultural line of these ancient civilisation and linguistic basin, others(like celts) are ulterior variations.Don't forget that population spread from east to west so you are all ancient 'easterners'
@MrCraiessou VERY untrue they where celts all danube where celts the river danube is the river of DANU the tuatha dedanon are the children of DANU we all know the romans killed the celts and named it ROM-ANIA do the history we all know thrace is tiras ( aloso called thor) son of noah. Javan is the father of greek and roman and is japhets youngest son celts are children of seth from atlantis later mixed with japhet older sons ghomer and magog these are celts and vikings they where there FIRST
@MrCraiessou cartoon you uneducated fool every where you find the ancient ido-aryan people your finding celtic cloth and the fact that the older celtic launguage is the closest match to the ido-aryan toung should tell you something not to mention that king tut himself has been tested to have R1B DNA the dacians where most definitly killed by the romans and they absolutly named it ROMANIA you are a dumbass
@MrCraiessou This is near where the first pyramids were recently found. The one where hawass' curator said that they look legit and then later found out to be legit.
are Romania tezaur si va sta sub pamant pt ca nu stiu unde sa caute,este cel putin cat are grecia sau italia,dupa statistica pe care o am se gasesc la o adancime de /intre 3-18 m din cauza solului pe care.l avem.
History is not so clear, but what is clear is that Western bias needs to be removed so we can get money for researching and archeology in non Western projects.
This is about an ancient matriarchal culture who lived 9000 years ago in South Est Europe and was distroyed by patriarchal indoeuropeans (latins included)
Search Marija Gimbutas for understan better and not use this ancient pacific culture for your interetnic wars. This is not a Romanian creation, indo european was in Asia when the Cucuteni culture was in flower.
Wow, the Yin and Yang symbol in ancient Europe. The area on the map is the homeland of the Indo-Europeans, of which the European Italic, Greek, Celtic, Teutonic and Slavic peoples descend.
@RomaniaTricolor Yea the flooding of the Black Sea! That is why many cultures appeared in Europe and Middle East. Sumerians were one of the migrated peoples surviving the flood and many moved to the area where they found these remains.
From what I have read the first pyramid was from here as well and it only makes sense as they went into the middle east later, then egypt to build that civilization. Why else would todays modern germans be the smartest in the world? One merely needs to look at space travel(nasa, van braun) and nanotechnology(germany leads in this) as well as country IQ.
@TheNewMusicNetwork Please dont tell me that you are actually trying to call this a civilization? I mean really? Your joking right? Mud huts and clay pottery are going for civilization these days
Champ, Im sorry but every other place in the world had civilization before Northern Europe, You guys have civilization now, but it took Mid Easterners(Roman) to give you civilization. Then when the Roman Civilization fell it took More Mid Easterners to come back and give it to you hence the Renaissance. You may want to learn how to spell before you call someone illiterate, I mean really, how stupid.
another thing, aryan(indo european, non semetic) tribes went all over. the tochcarians, celts, latin, norse, germans, etc etc. they are all aryan tribes.
H.G. wells wrote about them in the book called, the outline of history.
so yes I'd take his word over yours mental midget.
Ok Wow what century are you guys living in. The last place and people to even develop a civ were the northern Europeans. It is hilarious how there are no Ancient Civs in Europe, but yet you want to claim every other civilization on planet. Hilarious at best, more properly pathetic. I mean if you want to convince someone of that then at least show that Nordics had advanced civs. Dont culture steal just because, you have no cultures of your own. Sad just Sad.
look at the indo european roots, you will find sanskrit. as I said before, my peoples were all over the place from the tocharian to the sumerian, ancient iranian, egyptian, etc
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These must be a branch of the early aryan-germanic-norse peoples. It is said that they came from the black sea region(ukraine, etc.) and were a farming people, so this would only make sense. Notice the yin and tang symbol as well. They gave this symbol to the world.
MrFefefofo ....can u stop smoking weed pls,can u look at the romanian traditional costumes,the romanian pottery,u can see there are like the Cucuteni-Trypillia ones,the same art,the same scluptures and the same spirit,ques u forgot to look at that....allso maybe u forgot but your nation is more mixed then any other in europe,u forgot when your government made magyar to anyone who was ready to quit his original nationality so u can all come togheder as magyars...u come from Asia,bye !
Cucuteni-Trypillia Ancient Civilization , i don't know what relation it has with the Magyars, take some chill guys ... Romanians as well as Hungarians and Bulgarians or other civilizations from the Balkans are not pure "race" but a mixture of tribes , you can find pure "race" only in the extreme corners of a continent like in the far north of Scandinavia or on the far shores of Ireland , but not in the f-kin middle of the continent. So stfu yall!
Peace, people! We are all African Apes! In the background at 0:50 we can see a small fireplace that looks like a traditional Hungarian "Bubos Kemence".
The "Ursprache", spoken in the middle east , Eurasian steppes, islands of the mediterranian and in the Carpathian basin, was an agglutinative language like Turkish, Hungarian, Etruscan, etc...
It was on today romanian souil, has nothing to do with hungarians. Hungarians, stop stealing other people history. Serch your history in siberia were your ancerstors come from.
I wrote my comments becuse watching this nice video I also saw a map. Showing that the neolitic culture is connected to the present Romania. This is simple not true. The archeologists must know the similar artefacts were found in all over the middle europe even from troia to south of germany, and north italy.
The romanians are indo-european people, This culture is earlier....
at 1:58 you can see the simbol of the earth...The f letter in the runes...and to day in china the simbol of the earth.
at 2:00 you can see simbol of the sun. If you put thiw simbol in chronological order where it was found then you can see a nice trace from the carpatian basin to mezopotamia, to the Tarim basin, and beck again with the hun-magyars to the carpatian basin.
The aztecs and mayans had sun symbols too. They had earth symbols too. Are they related too?
You overlook the posibility of different cultures having similar symbols because these symbols were stimulated by the sun, moon, earth, stars, sky, etc. These symbols have been found on all continents except Antarctica. So most likely the cucuteni, sumerians, huns and magyars are not related. Your theory cannot be proven ;)
According to Michelangelo Naddeo most of this kind of objects were found int the karpationa basin. Go to Wienna, and Budapest. And do not forget to visit Belgrad. The centrum of this culture certanly were in the carpatian basin.
And not mentioned even with a word, how close this culture is to the carpatian basin to the so called tordos-vinca-kőrös culture...And to the bosznian piramids...
Aspecially when I saw the map of the present Romania, related to this culture I started to laugh.... When this culture lived the indo-europeans were far from europe...Furtheremore I do not remember if it was mentioned that similar objects were found around the carpatina basin, even on the all balkan including Troia.
This culture is very very closed to the Tordos-vinca-kőrös culture. That was in the centre of the ancient europe. But this culture were fowering BEFORE THE INDOEUROPEANS arrived to europe. And thanks to the arrogation of the arrivels today the celts, the basks, finns and hungarians are not indoeuropeans in europe! This culture is nothing to the with the present romanians, Looj at the theory of Michelangelo Naddeo. You can find on the web of here in youtube.
You fail the second time. Linguistics have already proved that we are related with the dacians (not dacs). About 10% of our vocabulary has thraco-dacian words, wich cannot be found in any other nearby language. Some of them are found in other forms at other thracian descended peoples, like the albanians.
Besides, when the roman colonisation was made, the dacian population served as the base for the colonial melting pot (and there are statues and busts made after the conquest to prove it).
@darkdanu89 Wich special sound is coming from the dacian to the romanian lenguage? The so called dacian words are the so called uncertain words, existing in the alban lenguage. The alban lenguage is nothing to do with the dacians, or trachians. IT belongs to the illir group of the indo-european family.
@darkdanu89 Furthermore there is an other problem with the dacian origin words...According to the romanian historiants the romanization took 170 years. This short time was nowhere in the roman empire to finish this. Did not have the dacians special sounds, still existing in the romaniana lenguage?
Fail. Romanization did not took 170 years. Romanization actually started when the first daco-roman contact appered, in 80 BC, since then they engaged in trade. Romanization also continued after 271, Constantine reoccupying a part of the former territory, then the byzantines huge influence in this are, specially Muntenia and Dobruja. Do you know the name Tara Romaneasca might actually come from the byzantine Basileia Romania? So to top it up, it's at least 600 years of latinization.
@darkdanu89 Aurelianus complete made Dacia empty. From 271 there is nothing were built by the romans, or by the romanizes dacians. Even no text. nothing left by the romanians only some stones.
:))))) I cannot stop laughing. Give me one other example of a roman retreat that left it's province completely empty. They didnt do this in Britain, where the arthurian legends speak of the romano-britons.
They didnt do it in France or Spain, in Africa, they always left most of the local population there. You read the wrong books.
Obviously a definite proof cannot be made. But this is your case too. However the fact that the continuity theory has more arguments for and less arguments against compared to the migration one, makes the continuity one more plausible.
@darkdanu89 You have to understand someting. The historiand believe for the artefacts. Basen on the artefacts they make theories. IF there is not artefacts it is nothing to do by the historiants...Simple.
You want artifacts? The Biertan donarium, made in early christianity, discovered in the central part of the former province of Dacia, proves that latinity continued there 100 years after the withdrawal.
@darkdanu89 Nobody say that the romanian leguage is not latin. Even it is latin so deep that not dacian words in it. That words are kept to be dacian when the origin in uncertain and similar to alban.
@darkdanu89 Please try to explain me one things only. And do not dream about 600 because next time you will say 800. It is a yoke, can not be proven. You were romanized, staying in transilvania, livint together with the gots , gepidas, but even no german word in your lenguage, No one!!!
No. At least 600 years since 80 BC till 106 AD till 271 AD till at least the First Bulgarian Empire, with mention that Byzantine influence came back here many times after. Study the history of the Eastern Empire (byzantines) and you will see.
@darkdanu89 If 170 years old was enough to have a huge effect of the latin lenguage in the dacian-romanian, how can it be that the 300 years present ot the german Goths, and Gepidas in Transilvania did not left any words in the romanian???
The Answere is very simple, but not for a romainan... who learned nothing else just the daco-romanian continuity.
Do you compare the assimilation apparatus of the goths and gepids to the one of the romans? You must be kidding. Wich people did the goths ever assimilate? In Italy and Spain they were assimilated themselves, even if they were the dominant class.
But the migrators did left words here surely, especially the slavs who stood here a little longer. The germanic ones are harder to find since the germans also left their influence later.
@darkdanu89 Use your logical thinking please and not dreaming. My question was clear 300 years of contact with the Goths and Gepidas - OF COURSE IF the romanians were in Transilvania - Should be able noticable in your lenguage! but there is not german words at all!!! You have many kind of not latin words, but just german not????
NO GERMAN ORIGIN WORD AT ALL!!!
even not 3!!! What was the asimilation apparatus of the slavs? Albans?
@darkdanu89 You got the slav words inthe Balkan between the bulgarians and the serbs. Compare the serb and croat lenguage there is a minimum different. Compare the bulgar with serbs there is a relative big different? why? Because thay were not neighbour!!! A bigg mass were between them. Who?
That's BS. The bulgars were originally a turkic or iranic group coming from the volga. The bulgars are not entirely slavic. Furthermore, Serbia and Croatia had a common country Yugoslavia, and because of that the common language.
Now here there is another problem. Do we know any gepid words? And do we know most gothic words? Because the only gothic words we know are left from Spain in the Middle Ages.
@darkdanu89 This case not the gepida or Ghot the question, but the the keyword. German. Because the german lenguage family used similar words there should be some word in your lenguage similar to german words. There is no even 1
That is not a necessity. The Cumans were here too and were a superpower, it's even believed they founded the Basarab house, but they didnt leave one cuman word in our vocabulary. Why is that? We didnt meet the cumans either? lol
@darkdanu89 Take care!!!! The Cumans were related to the hungarians.
Where are the kuman words in the hungarian? They spoke middle asia turkey lenguage as the hungarians or the huns. As many middle asia turk word we have in the hungarian you also have turk origin words in your lenguage. Not only from the ages of the ottomans...
The cumans were not related to the hungarians at that time! Only later did the cumans assimilate into hungarians. Hungarians are fino-ugric. Cumans are kipcak turanians, and different. The huns, well I believe the hungarian-hun association is really a myth. Sure, late huns were present in Pannonia when the magyars came, and assimilated into them, but appart from that there is no other connection. All turk origin words in romanian are proved as ottoman or tatar, and predominantly used in Dobruja.
@darkdanu89 I would like to pay your attention that the genetic code ot the hungarians at X.century is 0,56% finno-ugor. The finno-ugor theory is thanks for the habsburgs.
I propose the searc in youtube on film:
"Hungarian language Part 1: Origin"
The huns are closely related to the székelys. This is even accepted by more and more romanian historiants too.
The Cuman were turk group Do not forget all the hungarian leader and group name are turk from 896!!!
Genetics can fool everyone. Yes the magyars now are less related to the finno-ugrians. And you know why? Because the magyars that came here became an adstrate of the local populations living in pannonia. But as language, culture and civilisation it is finno-ugric. If you want another example study the mexicans. Genetics show they are not spanish yet their language, culture and civilisation is.
We do not really know who the huns really were, so we cannot link them with the szekelys.
@darkdanu89 More and more scientists, - not hungarians!!! - states that the finno-ufor similarity is thank they lived very closed to the scythian-huns. The lenguage went that direction and not from the finno-ugors. to the hungarians. Nowaday more and more originate the hungarian lenguage to the sumers, as the ancestor of the middle asia turk is also that. The finns do not teach anymore any relations to the hungarians. We here still, thanks for the 200 years habsburg brainwash.
Viteaz really comes from slavic. Look for the slavo-russian Vityaz, wich really comes from germanic, from the varangians that put the basis to the first russian principates. Hungarians took this word from slavic, just like they took the word cneaz (wich also has a germanic varangian origin).
So it's more likely slavs bought this word here, since I doubt magyars or huns influenced the Rus.
@darkdanu89 Dear!!!! Shell I present for you a hun text where the vitéz is written?
I will! But I can easily of you write to my personal box. One sample for you from the hun words: "elej be" we say this today elébe meaning to in front of him!!! Can you see? only 1 word in the hungarian....5 in english... but we have a folk song:
"Elejbe! Elejbe! Pej lovan elébe!!!!" To in front of my kind horse!
I doubt it was a minimum group, since those slavs actually broke the danubian roman border in aprox 600 AD. Now to do that you need a good military, and for a good military you need a big people.
@darkdanu89 This is a huge dillemma can not be explain by the romanian lingustics. And if you tell this to an independent lingustics they know the answare immidiately. There were no contact between the present romanians and the goths and gepidas. But it is well known the gots and gepidas were in transilvania minimum 300 years.
@darkdanu89 Furthermore, how can it be that the romanians forgot the names of the dacian cities if they continously present in Transilvania? No river, no towns are originated from the dacians even not from the latin. It is proven that the latin names of the rivers was taken not directly to the romanian lenguage from the latin...
What? Marisus (Mures), Alutus (Olt), Argedava (Arges), Alba Iulia, Napoca, Berzobis (Berzovia), Sarmisegetusa (the present day village, also named Bratunia between 300-500 AD). There are many names that have at least a latin continuity.
Why was the amphiteatre at Sarmisegetusa transformed in a fortress in the 3'rd-4'th century AD?
From the latin The latin A never went to the romanian in U from!!! never! Against the rule! Marisus can not be in the romanian lenguage in the form fo mUres.
Not directly from the latin. Would be mares. But if it went from the old hungarian Moris or Mores that is a rule the the hungarian emphatic O as specially before R went to the romanian lenguage in U!!! Alba Iulia is the translation of thehungarian name.
@darkdanu89 I am not shocked at all. Because in the late hungarian it is called maros. The rules I told you is the latin-romanians transfer rules. The late arriving romanians or the modern one in many place use the hungarian name. In Decea near Aiud I talked to romanians,
@darkdanu89 Even they did not know Maros or mures is the romanian name of the river. Because in villages living togethere with the hungarians they do not notice what lenguage they use. Even during talking they change to the other lenguage and back
@darkdanu89 Show me one map, or document where Cluj were called Napoca by the romanians 300 years ago or before the daco-roman theory appeared 250 yeary ago! This is true for Sarmisegetusa also
Well all the maps were made by austro-hungarians. I dont know of any maps the romanians made of this region, primarily because it wasnt our then, and we romanians had other things to attend to, like surviving the turks for example.
@darkdanu89 You know when you arrive somewhere you ask what is the name of the city, village where you are.
The hungarians did not give new names instead of the existing ones. That's why we have many slav origin places. Like my town Pécs. Pecuj in slav. But in transilvania before the XV centuri there is not places where we got the names from romanians... from slav we have some.
Bistrica,,,,Kászon...Petrozseny, This are clean not hungarian origin names.
@darkdanu89 There is no town name or river name in the romanian lenguage 300 years ago that shows direct connection from the latin. Even the latin origin names went to your lenguage from the hungarian, or slav....
Shall I list here some romanian lingustics who agree whith this.
And since we were also speaking of the 271 withdrawal of Aurelian, there is an interesting note that most of Dacia was actually lost in the time of Gallienus, Aurelianus retreating because of this. So he had no time for an organised withdrawal, only a fast one of the army and aristocracy and could not really evacuate everyone. Just like it was in Roman Britain.
@darkdanu89 Belive me! the romans made a very organized withrowal The reason was then the cost of the defense of Dacia was more then the gold found in the mines.
Yes, a very organised one of the army administration and nobility since he made a new province in the south called Dacia Aureliana. However, that province was made with the existing population there, not with the one of the former Dacia.
Since most of the dacian territory was lost before the withdrawal, it was impossible to withdraw every single roman citizen. Some citizens might have been taken from the fortified southern part of the province, but from the central and northern one, impossible.
@darkdanu89 And do you think the civils stayed there when the army lieved? Don't tell me! I did not here that the romanized civils went back to the barbars,,,,
Then howcome in Britain the civilians stayed? In Gaul and Hispania also? In Africa also? Why do people accept the existance of romano-british, yet for you it's so hard to accept the existance of daco-romans?
There is no recording of any total retreat the romans ever did from a province. The plebeans were left there. They took what they needed, the army, magistrates and wealthy aristocrats.
Besides, romanian language is descended from vulgar latin, of the plebeans, not classical latin. All romanic languages (spanish, french, portuguese) except italian are descended from vulgar latin. And why is that? Simple, because in every roman withdrawal, the plebeans didnt withdraw!
I also have one question for you. If you believe the migration theory, then where did we migrate from? Because we could not migrate between 800-1300 here and be a latin people. Why? Because Italy and France was ruled by the germanic franks and normans, Spain by the visigoths, and the Balkans by the Byzantine Empire, primarily greek by then, and not latin like in Justinian's time.
Look for example the big differences between aromanian (greek influenced) and romanian (latin influenced) languages.
@darkdanu89 It is easy to answere. Your ancestors are from about the north of the present Greek. from albania even to thessaliniki.that was the border of the latin-greek lenguage. The uncertain origin words in the romanian lenguage shows similarity with the albanian words. in romanian the "THE" is at the and of the word "-UL" similar to the albanian.
lol and what made you draw that conclusion? When did they come? That region you speak of is proved as being under greek, slav, bulgar then turk yoke.
And since you speak of that, why is our language VERY different from albanian? Apart from a few words wich are of probable thraco-illyrian heritage we share nothing else.
And most importantly, what in hell latinised us here, we coming as you say, from a predominantly slavo-greek region.
@darkdanu89 IF you pull out the newlatin words, and the slavs you lenguage will be not very far from the albanian. You should see the chronological order of the words went the romanian lenguage. Furthermore you have to understand the logic how a word is going fromone lenguage to an other one. Together with the oblect or ideas. See today. television-Engils Auto-GERMAN, AIDS-USA, Hallo-hungarian, Apartheid-holland
@darkdanu89 As I told there is a very ancient thing that is only inthe romanian and albanian. the -ul. Just that words are called dacian origin what has uncertain origin and fit to albanian...It is better to keep it not albanian but dacian :-)))
The romanina lenguage is not albanian, clean latin. you also have greek origin word, but of course the latin is dominant.
@darkdanu89 furthermore we know that the turk origin bulgars asimilated to the ancent slav in their lenguage during the centuries. The serbs and hroats have very similar slav thanks for their close contact. Why are the serb so different from the bulgars? There had to be a nation between them for a long time to stop the evolution ot the two lenguage together.
Looj at the slovaks, and slovens...1000 years ago the had contact.
And why is there absolutely no mention of this "nation" you speak of? Absolutely no one says of a latin speaking people to have ever been between the serbs and the bulgars.
The serbs and croats were part of Yugoslavia. As a nation then, they had a common language with different dialects. They were not united with the slavo-bulgars, hence the explanation.
@darkdanu89 When the bulgars arrived, and their lenguage was change to be slav there were a big mass of slav people in the balkan. thanks for the ottomans their migration to north was going on. Do not forget, the chroats and serbs lived in different country!!!! but in neigbourhood. Beograd was bulgar town!
What kind of slav made the bulgars to have slav lenguage? the ancestor of the serbs. And this connection was broken. Nothing can explain the different in their lenguage.
@darkdanu89 If you ask me about the migration I would say it was continous and very strongly catalised by the ottomans but It is still hapening today. The strongest was in the XVII-XVIII century aspecially after the last tatar invasion in 1717. They killed the population on the transilvanian plain, and the hungarian nobility invited complete villages from molodva, and oltenia.
What? lol In those centuries romanians were already attested in Transilvania for hundreds of years.
Where is the proof that "the hungarian nobility invited complete villages from molodva, and oltenia"? Any documents? There should have been in that century. And you forget that before the tatars came to Transilvania, they came to the romanian principates, and never killed all population, only looted the land, but never killed everyone. You are coming with scifi theories.
@darkdanu89 I have to tell you the proves are not allowed to take to romania. Why Vass is not allowed to read in Romania? Because he lists this villages. The tatar of course did not kill the people living on the hills.. they mostly as the ottomans killed the people living on the land. and near the river. The ottomans killed out the hungarians near the MAros, the Tatars killed out the people in the Tranilvanian plain in 1717.
@darkdanu89 Go to Szék-Sic near Cluj! and ask the people what they are doin in 23 august the day of Birtalan!!!
You will know about the tatar invision!
Furthermore look after the history of Livezi in Hargita. That village is not a true village. but the ancestors of the romanian people living there were coming from Moldovan when the railway to Gyimes was built. They were cheaper. They forgot to go back...
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Aryans does not exist and get off the hungaryans,they are not aryans but huns/scyths.
jacobsczgmail 1 month ago
@jacobsczgmail aryans or indus river people were all proto-europeans or caucasoids.
hungary consists of these type of indo europeans today. the scyths, huns are the smaller population and most huns were wiped out after atilla anyway.
case closed
ne0nsurf 1 month ago
Thx for posting this Video!
qpae123 4 months ago
aryan people spread from OCEANO POTAMOS(danube river) and mounts Rhipei(Carpati), meaning Romania
taliayu 7 months ago
GREAT !
69BearPedo 8 months ago
@Hungaroctonul DUMB ass i never said i wasent american why do you think i got mad when you called me hungarian WOW i agree lets stop speaking salut awell
dagnab1 9 months ago
@Hungaroctonul DUMB FUCK im not hungarian im american and not you dont have the blood of the ANCIENT INDO_ARYAN becouse that is the royal blood ,KING TUT himself has been tested to have R1B CELTIC ARYAN ROYAL BLOOD read it and weep the ancient ido-aryans are the celto\norse that is the blood that has VRIL you are not one of us you dont have the atlantian genes or you would have KNOWN BY NOW by by looser
dagnab1 9 months ago
@Hungaroctonul IDIOT im not hungarian im IRISH SCOTT ROYAL LINE ,also your stupidness is the key here ,Getica and Galienus are of celtic origin you know much of nothing , ALSO a little fact for you STUPID, german is a half LATIN toung germany has been tested to have ONLY 20 % tuton DNA while it has 80% CELTIC you dumb FUCK one more time ALL THE RIVER DANUBE HAD CELTS FUCK YOUR LITTLE 3RD WORD NATION, and this hungay you speak of
dagnab1 9 months ago
last time dumbass those dacians you named are children of tiras who tribes worshiped him as thor they are celto\norse in their heritage these are not the people there now you dumb fuck, Also looser i could never be Hungayrian as i am from the line of CELTO\NORSE KINGS YOU SHIT HEAD
dagnab1 9 months ago
clearly you dont know you history becouse you think you are decened from dacian if your not celto\norse you are not hallstat or le tane , you the people left over an mixed with random trobes thanks to rome if you had royal blood you would KNOW BY NOW you need a NON SLAV HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPEND .celts,scythian,norse,kurgan all same line of kings not you slav
dagnab1 9 months ago
@Hungaroctonul NOT TRUE YOU CAN LIE ALL YOU WANT CELTS ARE THE PREFLOOD AND POST FLOOD PEOPLE THERE NOT ANY ROMANIAN
dagnab1 9 months ago
@Hungaroctonul WOW FOOL you have told me nothing thracian is NOAHS grandson tiras you dumbass whos children called him thor wow we all know celtic and norse culture come from same root and the tribes are interrelated pelasgian means atlantian witch is hyperborian root of celto\norse culture you FUCKINGDUMBASS what you dont know is whom are the children of japhet combined with that are preflood from atlantis and who is thier forfather if you had DRUID BLOOD you would already know these THINGS!
dagnab1 9 months ago
@Hungaroctonul DACIAN ARE CELTS DUMBASS
dagnab1 9 months ago
@Hungaroctonul NOT so romania was created by the DAMN ROMANS CELTS LIVED THERE FIRST
dagnab1 10 months ago
@dagnab1 DACIAN where celts idiot genocided by greco romans get it ! wow
dagnab1 10 months ago
unomnecajit11 ESTI UN MARE GAOZAR! FRAIERULE! DISPARI DIN TARA ASTA! DE CAND SI PANA CAND FACI ASTFEL DE AFIRMATII??? CA AICI NU AU FOST ROMANI? NU NE TRAGEM DE ACOLO? ESTI TAMPIT DE A DREPTUL. FUCK OFF!!!
cosmin2216 11 months ago
I2a2 (formerly I1b) is typical of the Dinaric Slavs (Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks). Its highest density is observed around ex-Yugoslavia and Moldova, but it is also common to a lower extent in Albania, Northern Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Belarus, and southwestern Russia. The high concentratio of I2a2 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Tripolye culture (EUpedia).
unomnacajit11 1 year ago
@MrFefefofo Hey boy, to finish all controversy with your ethnic identity, make an genetic test, it cost only 100 dollars in Genographyc Programm. I am sure you have not mongolic genes on you, but your genes are pure tracho-romanians. You are so confused about your identity cause in xvii-xix century this was the politics of hungars grophs to change all the non-ethnic hungarians in magyars. So, magyars means all non-ethnic hungarians which their ethnic identity was changed and washed away
vincereee 1 year ago
at 1:10... tyoical romanian interpretation.....this culture was not centered to the area of the present Romanina , but to the Charpatian basin, including north Balkan....
MrFefefofo 1 year ago
the importance is at the end of the movie...what lenguage did they speake?
Sertainly not indo-european, but the ancient agglitunative lenguages like the basks, etrusks. sumers, scytians, hungarians.... the motives and simbols connect this culture, the the charpatian basin centered Körös-Tordos-Vinca culture. The most important figure is the Mother Goddes.....
Its ancient name in hungarians the "Nagyboldogasszony".
MrFefefofo 1 year ago
@Hungaroctonul the problem is that the romanians migrated to the present area from the balkan from the X- cenetury continously. They have nothing to do with this culture, that was a neolitic, culture, .
MrFefefofo 1 year ago
@MrFefefofo @MrFefefofo
god u are really stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid!
aiam sorry but that is the truth...learn to read first...u know:a,b,c,d,e,f...etc...in hungaeian,and than READ!and after that come here and speack your stupid parazit mind.Like all the slave souls proud of their stupidity.Sorry again.kisses from an oltean person.
Ps way do u want to take credit for something that u didnt do a little shit? U lazy parasite people?
tachyonix 1 year ago
@tachyonix
sorry for my orthographic mistakes.I dont give a shit.Im a romanian.U know?? Tracia,dacia,romania??? The very FIRST craddle of known CIVILISATION!!!!can u solve that ecuation with 3 unknwon?u canttttttttttttt! ...'cause u know why...it will come a day when u all will be sorry for all the bullshit u tried to serve us.My simpathy goes out for you...
tachyonix 1 year ago
@tachyonix First of all I would like to tell you that your comment is excellent that you fall into discredit. Most of undereducated man like you can not do anything else, just offending the other one. Tray to be gentlamen and stsay on the field of argur. Here are some good examples. That is true not too many but there is.
Keep your kiss for sy else.
MrFefefofo 1 year ago
@MrFefefofo you again??? what's wrong with you man? did you check your genealogic tree like I asked you to? I haven't even read your comments and I am sure you're again trying to prove that romanians came from Mars and hungarians are the original inhabitants of Europe when in fsct today's hungarian language spread just like the spanish in South America. It doesn't hold man, no matter how many times you repeat your nonsense you cannot convince anyone but the lowest-IQ-people... Stop it!
unomnacajit11 1 year ago
@unomnacajit11 I do not want to convince anyone. just I told that no science can prove that the romanians were present on the area of the Romania today.1000 years ago. In Moldva, and Transilvania the origin of the settlements are not romanain. Even the country name is not romanians but turk, for example Vaslui, Tipical Turk-Coman name. Where were the romanains then? You have to prove you were here not me. do not mix the things together. The burden of proves, is yours.
MrFefefofo 1 year ago
@MrFefefofo cocksucker, tens of people here have answered your stupid questions, I included. When you're proven wrong once, you should stop arguing, unless you're mentally ill. Take your medicine kid...
unomnacajit11 1 year ago
what's with the ying&yang sign???????????
unomnacajit1 1 year ago
@unomnacajit1
Well the Chinese must have stolen it from the ancient Romanians.
croscream 1 year ago
One interesting thing about this culture is that they used to draw maps of Greater Hungary on cave walls, along with some mystical writings which today's hungarian h(i)sterians have suggested mean "Nem, nem, Soha".
unomnacajit1 1 year ago
Thanks. Intriguing culture.
Ace4Tree1 1 year ago
well done.
jmg1957 1 year ago
and then the gypses came along and thats the end of that chapter
YamaKazoo 1 year ago
@onoaptelunga I think the Western Europeans seek to downplay the accomplishments of the East. I will say that I am having more respect for Eastern Europeans as a whole, I had problems at first, but I am impressed with their advancements as well as intrigued by their exoticism
StTigray1 1 year ago
@onoaptelunga I wonder if there was already a architectural heritage that the Greeks incorporated when they visited E. Europe. Forgive me for my ignorance on the subject but those were just summations and guesses.
StTigray1 1 year ago
@onoaptelunga I agree. even as a child in school watching movies about Vlad the Impaler, I thought other than this you never hear any history about Eastern Europe, you would only hear the bad things. It is a big Blank in the West about Eastern Europe, It makes me wonder what do they want to hide. I know only this about E. Europe that it was influenced by the Greeks, but the Greeks had to build from something to make Cyrrilic Script. Also while E. European Architecture is Eastern Influenced-
StTigray1 1 year ago
For hungarians: The blood group of this people was A therefore they were europeans, and no way turcik, scythian or related to hunagrians. The maghiars are with B blood group. The marks of cucuteni/trypillia are encountered on romanian traditional clothes! Thumbs up if you agree!
ZamolxesWolf 1 year ago 6
@ZamolxesWolf some primitive motives are on the romanains folk clothes, but the reason is that the romanian motives stayed at the geometric form it did not developed to higher leverl than the flowers for example only in the last some 10 years, But these primitive geometric form can be vound on every folk clotehs, not only oón the romanians because of their primitivity.
MrFefefofo 1 year ago
@MrFefefofo if you want to speak with gods go to ZamolxisGebeleizis and add HIM as friend
ZamolxesWolf 1 year ago
@ZamolxesWolf For you: Not agree..Magyars mostly(46%) have blood type A!What is certain that the cultural artifacts showing the truth,as the runic script what was the ancient writing of the Magyar tribes!And the clay tablets which where found at Tatárlaka(Tátáriá) in the 60's where made at least 4500-5000 years ago!And only the Magyar tribes used this runic scripts until the christianity and forced use of the latin!No other ethnic group used runic scripts in carphatian basin!Agree or not!
sisimoto 2 days ago
@ZamolxesWolf For you: Not agree! It was possible to examine the bones of the Magyar tribe members bones from the 10th. century found in graves all over carphatian basin!The DNA examination showes this: the homecomeing Magyar tribe members where only 24% asian mitocondrium!!The caucasian european DNA mitocondrium where largely appeared!!So who dares to say that the Magyar tribes in the Xth.century wherent europeans??Agree or not this is pure facts!
sisimoto 2 days ago
@onoaptelunga I think this is very interesting, my fault is not with the civilization in and of itself, my problem is with White supremacist who attempt to use Cucuteni, as a spring board for justifying the mythical creation of a White Ancient Egypt. I have no fault with Cucuteni, I am glad this was found we dont hear enough about the ancient cultures in this part of the world.
StTigray1 1 year ago
What people in Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, and the Republic of Moldova and other places where this civilization was located is this...these people were NOT your ancestors ok? They are very different (plus most of the people in the countries I just mentioned are Slavic), they were in that part of Europe before the Indo-Europeans came along.
JoezettE88 1 year ago
@JoezettE88 They were Romanians ancestors allright!The Iranians were just a small layer over the top of local populations and civilisation.The massive colonisation of Europe by Asians from arid deserts is a fake theory .In Romania there are many continuously dwelled sites from paleolithic to modern-day villages.Vinca Turdas,GarlaMare,Gumelnita,Hamangia,all these old cultures,plus the oldest fossile humans scatterd in our places are direct ancestors of our language,genes,blood,folklore.customs.
MrCraiessou 1 year ago 30
@MrCraiessou They where celts look at the swirls ROMANS kill the celts that lived there and named it ROMANIA they where no romanian people at that time the where danube celts
dagnab1 10 months ago
@dagnab1 The celts you are talking about are some millenia after Cucuteni-Danube civilisation.The Danube area was the craddle of Europeans,Greeks and Romans have their roots here in this first rich agricultural basin,the most important of Europe.Romanians are the direct genetic and cultural line of these ancient civilisation and linguistic basin, others(like celts) are ulterior variations.Don't forget that population spread from east to west so you are all ancient 'easterners'
MrCraiessou 10 months ago
@MrCraiessou VERY untrue they where celts all danube where celts the river danube is the river of DANU the tuatha dedanon are the children of DANU we all know the romans killed the celts and named it ROM-ANIA do the history we all know thrace is tiras ( aloso called thor) son of noah. Javan is the father of greek and roman and is japhets youngest son celts are children of seth from atlantis later mixed with japhet older sons ghomer and magog these are celts and vikings they where there FIRST
dagnab1 10 months ago
@dagnab1 What is this?A cartoon scenario?Kid,we're talking history here,go and post your children stories somewhere else!
MrCraiessou 10 months ago
@MrCraiessou cartoon you uneducated fool every where you find the ancient ido-aryan people your finding celtic cloth and the fact that the older celtic launguage is the closest match to the ido-aryan toung should tell you something not to mention that king tut himself has been tested to have R1B DNA the dacians where most definitly killed by the romans and they absolutly named it ROMANIA you are a dumbass
dagnab1 9 months ago
@MrCraiessou HALLSTAT and LA TENE ARE THE FISRT THERE AND ARE PROVEN TO BE CELT
dagnab1 9 months ago
@MrCraiessou This is near where the first pyramids were recently found. The one where hawass' curator said that they look legit and then later found out to be legit.
ne0nsurf 1 month ago
search for (translated and uploaded 24 hrs ago):
PREHISTORIC DACIA ENGLISH
in order to get a clear picture of Cucuteni/Romanian culture
CGVivid 6 days ago
are Romania tezaur si va sta sub pamant pt ca nu stiu unde sa caute,este cel putin cat are grecia sau italia,dupa statistica pe care o am se gasesc la o adancime de /intre 3-18 m din cauza solului pe care.l avem.
valldevall 1 year ago
History is not so clear, but what is clear is that Western bias needs to be removed so we can get money for researching and archeology in non Western projects.
youngbuck189 1 year ago
some of these reminds of slavic agriculture neolitic farmer culture
TWORable 1 year ago
This is about an ancient matriarchal culture who lived 9000 years ago in South Est Europe and was distroyed by patriarchal indoeuropeans (latins included)
Search Marija Gimbutas for understan better and not use this ancient pacific culture for your interetnic wars. This is not a Romanian creation, indo european was in Asia when the Cucuteni culture was in flower.
tengere 1 year ago
Wow, the Yin and Yang symbol in ancient Europe. The area on the map is the homeland of the Indo-Europeans, of which the European Italic, Greek, Celtic, Teutonic and Slavic peoples descend.
marcus3379 1 year ago
@marcus3379
Indoeuropeans my ass! Try Eurasians!
And you forgot to mention the "forefathers"-the pelasgians/thracians from 5500BCE Black Sea flood!
Look for the origins of Sumeria in...Simeria city! From romanian region of Hatzeg(Hades in greek myths, the place of the ...cimmerians/simerians)!
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Near Simeria is Tartaria(remember Tartar?)...Have you heard of the 5300 BCE Tablets of Tartaria?
RomaniaTricolor 1 year ago
@RomaniaTricolor Yea the flooding of the Black Sea! That is why many cultures appeared in Europe and Middle East. Sumerians were one of the migrated peoples surviving the flood and many moved to the area where they found these remains.
EsaulRuss 1 year ago
And where is this exhibition ? I want to visit.
otonnis 1 year ago
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@ TheNewMusicNetwork
yeaah of course, Europeans built the civilizations in egypt and sumer.
hahahahaha
moLeOnPoT 1 year ago
you mean it wasn't illeterate african niggers? lofl
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
a tax from nomadic pastoal tribes in neighboring step regions of eurasia(must have been the pre jews)
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
From what I have read the first pyramid was from here as well and it only makes sense as they went into the middle east later, then egypt to build that civilization. Why else would todays modern germans be the smartest in the world? One merely needs to look at space travel(nasa, van braun) and nanotechnology(germany leads in this) as well as country IQ.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork Please dont tell me that you are actually trying to call this a civilization? I mean really? Your joking right? Mud huts and clay pottery are going for civilization these days
StTigray1 1 year ago
speaking out mud huts, what do you think was taking place in the mid east at that time? less than mud huts.
btw I didn't see them say that houses in this european region were mud huts.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork
Champ, Im sorry but every other place in the world had civilization before Northern Europe, You guys have civilization now, but it took Mid Easterners(Roman) to give you civilization. Then when the Roman Civilization fell it took More Mid Easterners to come back and give it to you hence the Renaissance. You may want to learn how to spell before you call someone illiterate, I mean really, how stupid.
StTigray1 1 year ago
@StTigray1, who do you think was living in eur-asia and the russian steppes before the indo europeans decided to go to the frozen lands of europe?
indo europeans created all of the great civilizations from sumeria, to egypt, to rome, greece, hyperborea, atlantis, vinca, etc etc
and vinca is still older than babylon. hahaha
case closed
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
another thing, aryan(indo european, non semetic) tribes went all over. the tochcarians, celts, latin, norse, germans, etc etc. they are all aryan tribes.
H.G. wells wrote about them in the book called, the outline of history.
so yes I'd take his word over yours mental midget.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
@TheNewMusicNetwork
Ok Wow what century are you guys living in. The last place and people to even develop a civ were the northern Europeans. It is hilarious how there are no Ancient Civs in Europe, but yet you want to claim every other civilization on planet. Hilarious at best, more properly pathetic. I mean if you want to convince someone of that then at least show that Nordics had advanced civs. Dont culture steal just because, you have no cultures of your own. Sad just Sad.
StTigray1 1 year ago
follow the video. europe had vinca civ and it's is older than your middle eastern tent cultures and now you're saying that it's not older? lofl
you're a delusional retard.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
look at the indo european roots, you will find sanskrit. as I said before, my peoples were all over the place from the tocharian to the sumerian, ancient iranian, egyptian, etc
h t t p : / / ninitalk . files . wordpress . com/2009/04/indoeuropean20language20family20tree . jpg
outline-of-history . mindvessel . net/figures/0237 . png
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
These must be a branch of the early aryan-germanic-norse peoples. It is said that they came from the black sea region(ukraine, etc.) and were a farming people, so this would only make sense. Notice the yin and tang symbol as well. They gave this symbol to the world.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
we have something similar in Serbia, the most famous is Lepenski vir with over 130 buildings and sacred objects dating from 6500 B.C.
pivara152 1 year ago
MrFefefofo ....can u stop smoking weed pls,can u look at the romanian traditional costumes,the romanian pottery,u can see there are like the Cucuteni-Trypillia ones,the same art,the same scluptures and the same spirit,ques u forgot to look at that....allso maybe u forgot but your nation is more mixed then any other in europe,u forgot when your government made magyar to anyone who was ready to quit his original nationality so u can all come togheder as magyars...u come from Asia,bye !
BurebistatheThracian 2 years ago
who the heck really knows, we come from the water.
1MartinD28 2 years ago
this is a video about
Cucuteni-Trypillia Ancient Civilization , i don't know what relation it has with the Magyars, take some chill guys ... Romanians as well as Hungarians and Bulgarians or other civilizations from the Balkans are not pure "race" but a mixture of tribes , you can find pure "race" only in the extreme corners of a continent like in the far north of Scandinavia or on the far shores of Ireland , but not in the f-kin middle of the continent. So stfu yall!
FlamableRO 2 years ago
Peace, people! We are all African Apes! In the background at 0:50 we can see a small fireplace that looks like a traditional Hungarian "Bubos Kemence".
The "Ursprache", spoken in the middle east , Eurasian steppes, islands of the mediterranian and in the Carpathian basin, was an agglutinative language like Turkish, Hungarian, Etruscan, etc...
judomagyar 2 years ago
It was on today romanian souil, has nothing to do with hungarians. Hungarians, stop stealing other people history. Serch your history in siberia were your ancerstors come from.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago 37
According to MArius Sala in his work Vocabularul reprezentativ al limbilor romanice
the dac origin words are less then 1%....
And that is even uncetain.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
I wrote my comments becuse watching this nice video I also saw a map. Showing that the neolitic culture is connected to the present Romania. This is simple not true. The archeologists must know the similar artefacts were found in all over the middle europe even from troia to south of germany, and north italy.
The romanians are indo-european people, This culture is earlier....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
at 1:58 you can see the simbol of the earth...The f letter in the runes...and to day in china the simbol of the earth.
at 2:00 you can see simbol of the sun. If you put thiw simbol in chronological order where it was found then you can see a nice trace from the carpatian basin to mezopotamia, to the Tarim basin, and beck again with the hun-magyars to the carpatian basin.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The aztecs and mayans had sun symbols too. They had earth symbols too. Are they related too?
You overlook the posibility of different cultures having similar symbols because these symbols were stimulated by the sun, moon, earth, stars, sky, etc. These symbols have been found on all continents except Antarctica. So most likely the cucuteni, sumerians, huns and magyars are not related. Your theory cannot be proven ;)
darkdanu89 2 years ago
Furthermore more and more historian say that the sumer culture is originated to this culture. Even the writing.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The problem is that "writing" hasnt been proved as writing yet. It might be ceremonial pictograms. And most characters are not similar to sumerian.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
According to Michelangelo Naddeo most of this kind of objects were found int the karpationa basin. Go to Wienna, and Budapest. And do not forget to visit Belgrad. The centrum of this culture certanly were in the carpatian basin.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
And not mentioned even with a word, how close this culture is to the carpatian basin to the so called tordos-vinca-kőrös culture...And to the bosznian piramids...
Aspecially when I saw the map of the present Romania, related to this culture I started to laugh.... When this culture lived the indo-europeans were far from europe...Furtheremore I do not remember if it was mentioned that similar objects were found around the carpatina basin, even on the all balkan including Troia.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
This culture is very very closed to the Tordos-vinca-kőrös culture. That was in the centre of the ancient europe. But this culture were fowering BEFORE THE INDOEUROPEANS arrived to europe. And thanks to the arrogation of the arrivels today the celts, the basks, finns and hungarians are not indoeuropeans in europe! This culture is nothing to the with the present romanians, Looj at the theory of Michelangelo Naddeo. You can find on the web of here in youtube.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Travel to Iasi, Romania. Here you can find great resources to study more this civilization.
andreisava83 2 years ago
pannon - baszom a szadot
raulbhro 2 years ago
Stop it guys. The cucuteni culture was pre-indo-european and conquered by europeans. It wasnt related to romanians or hungarians.
But we romanians were here first, we're descended from the daco-romans.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Romanians have nothing to do with the dacs. This relation is teached in Romania only....
This theory can not be proven by the archeology, lingustic, lets say nothing.
It was a dream of the romanians 250 years ago when they started to be a nation.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
You fail the second time. Linguistics have already proved that we are related with the dacians (not dacs). About 10% of our vocabulary has thraco-dacian words, wich cannot be found in any other nearby language. Some of them are found in other forms at other thracian descended peoples, like the albanians.
Besides, when the roman colonisation was made, the dacian population served as the base for the colonial melting pot (and there are statues and busts made after the conquest to prove it).
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Wich special sound is coming from the dacian to the romanian lenguage? The so called dacian words are the so called uncertain words, existing in the alban lenguage. The alban lenguage is nothing to do with the dacians, or trachians. IT belongs to the illir group of the indo-european family.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Furthermore there is an other problem with the dacian origin words...According to the romanian historiants the romanization took 170 years. This short time was nowhere in the roman empire to finish this. Did not have the dacians special sounds, still existing in the romaniana lenguage?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Fail. Romanization did not took 170 years. Romanization actually started when the first daco-roman contact appered, in 80 BC, since then they engaged in trade. Romanization also continued after 271, Constantine reoccupying a part of the former territory, then the byzantines huge influence in this are, specially Muntenia and Dobruja. Do you know the name Tara Romaneasca might actually come from the byzantine Basileia Romania? So to top it up, it's at least 600 years of latinization.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Aurelianus complete made Dacia empty. From 271 there is nothing were built by the romans, or by the romanizes dacians. Even no text. nothing left by the romanians only some stones.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
:))))) I cannot stop laughing. Give me one other example of a roman retreat that left it's province completely empty. They didnt do this in Britain, where the arthurian legends speak of the romano-britons.
They didnt do it in France or Spain, in Africa, they always left most of the local population there. You read the wrong books.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Dacia. It is well documented. Furtheremore you can not prove the continous population.
In my town Pécs-Sopianae the people lived countinously. Many artefacts from every century.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Obviously a definite proof cannot be made. But this is your case too. However the fact that the continuity theory has more arguments for and less arguments against compared to the migration one, makes the continuity one more plausible.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 From the time of gepidas about 100 places cemetaries, tombs etc were found.... Not at all daco-romanians.....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 You have to understand someting. The historiand believe for the artefacts. Basen on the artefacts they make theories. IF there is not artefacts it is nothing to do by the historiants...Simple.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
You want artifacts? The Biertan donarium, made in early christianity, discovered in the central part of the former province of Dacia, proves that latinity continued there 100 years after the withdrawal.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Dear! that is only one object that was found more then 200 years ago.
Where was it made?
Who made it?
What lenguage did the owner or the producer had?
From that time in Pécs there is a huge cemetary. From 271 there is no dacian cemetary was found....before 271 about 5.
to prove a present of a latin speaking population is not real.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Nobody say that the romanian leguage is not latin. Even it is latin so deep that not dacian words in it. That words are kept to be dacian when the origin in uncertain and similar to alban.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Please try to explain me one things only. And do not dream about 600 because next time you will say 800. It is a yoke, can not be proven. You were romanized, staying in transilvania, livint together with the gots , gepidas, but even no german word in your lenguage, No one!!!
By the way how did you get 600 years? 80+271???
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
No. At least 600 years since 80 BC till 106 AD till 271 AD till at least the First Bulgarian Empire, with mention that Byzantine influence came back here many times after. Study the history of the Eastern Empire (byzantines) and you will see.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 If 170 years old was enough to have a huge effect of the latin lenguage in the dacian-romanian, how can it be that the 300 years present ot the german Goths, and Gepidas in Transilvania did not left any words in the romanian???
The Answere is very simple, but not for a romainan... who learned nothing else just the daco-romanian continuity.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Do you compare the assimilation apparatus of the goths and gepids to the one of the romans? You must be kidding. Wich people did the goths ever assimilate? In Italy and Spain they were assimilated themselves, even if they were the dominant class.
But the migrators did left words here surely, especially the slavs who stood here a little longer. The germanic ones are harder to find since the germans also left their influence later.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Use your logical thinking please and not dreaming. My question was clear 300 years of contact with the Goths and Gepidas - OF COURSE IF the romanians were in Transilvania - Should be able noticable in your lenguage! but there is not german words at all!!! You have many kind of not latin words, but just german not????
NO GERMAN ORIGIN WORD AT ALL!!!
even not 3!!! What was the asimilation apparatus of the slavs? Albans?
I think you do not believe what you write!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The slavic influence can be easily understood. It occured very much in religion, as we had slavonic orthodoxy.
I dont see what the albans have to do here really.
We do have german origin words, just search for them in our dictionary. They are few, but present.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 You got the slav words inthe Balkan between the bulgarians and the serbs. Compare the serb and croat lenguage there is a minimum different. Compare the bulgar with serbs there is a relative big different? why? Because thay were not neighbour!!! A bigg mass were between them. Who?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
That's BS. The bulgars were originally a turkic or iranic group coming from the volga. The bulgars are not entirely slavic. Furthermore, Serbia and Croatia had a common country Yugoslavia, and because of that the common language.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 A minimum group of slavs were in Transilvania. You can not explain the huge number of slav words in your lenguage from them.
And do not mix the saxon origin words with the old german gots, gepidas words.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Now here there is another problem. Do we know any gepid words? And do we know most gothic words? Because the only gothic words we know are left from Spain in the Middle Ages.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 This case not the gepida or Ghot the question, but the the keyword. German. Because the german lenguage family used similar words there should be some word in your lenguage similar to german words. There is no even 1
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
That is not a necessity. The Cumans were here too and were a superpower, it's even believed they founded the Basarab house, but they didnt leave one cuman word in our vocabulary. Why is that? We didnt meet the cumans either? lol
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Take care!!!! The Cumans were related to the hungarians.
Where are the kuman words in the hungarian? They spoke middle asia turkey lenguage as the hungarians or the huns. As many middle asia turk word we have in the hungarian you also have turk origin words in your lenguage. Not only from the ages of the ottomans...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The cumans were not related to the hungarians at that time! Only later did the cumans assimilate into hungarians. Hungarians are fino-ugric. Cumans are kipcak turanians, and different. The huns, well I believe the hungarian-hun association is really a myth. Sure, late huns were present in Pannonia when the magyars came, and assimilated into them, but appart from that there is no other connection. All turk origin words in romanian are proved as ottoman or tatar, and predominantly used in Dobruja.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 I would like to pay your attention that the genetic code ot the hungarians at X.century is 0,56% finno-ugor. The finno-ugor theory is thanks for the habsburgs.
I propose the searc in youtube on film:
"Hungarian language Part 1: Origin"
The huns are closely related to the székelys. This is even accepted by more and more romanian historiants too.
The Cuman were turk group Do not forget all the hungarian leader and group name are turk from 896!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Genetics can fool everyone. Yes the magyars now are less related to the finno-ugrians. And you know why? Because the magyars that came here became an adstrate of the local populations living in pannonia. But as language, culture and civilisation it is finno-ugric. If you want another example study the mexicans. Genetics show they are not spanish yet their language, culture and civilisation is.
We do not really know who the huns really were, so we cannot link them with the szekelys.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 More and more scientists, - not hungarians!!! - states that the finno-ufor similarity is thank they lived very closed to the scythian-huns. The lenguage went that direction and not from the finno-ugors. to the hungarians. Nowaday more and more originate the hungarian lenguage to the sumers, as the ancestor of the middle asia turk is also that. The finns do not teach anymore any relations to the hungarians. We here still, thanks for the 200 years habsburg brainwash.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Shall I list a lot of turk origin name in your lenguage used everyhere? Look after: fasulye=bean.....
I can find 100
If you see the video about the origin of hungarian lenguage please notice the hungarian word Vitéz = viteazul in romaninan. that is 100% hun word.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Fasole yes it has a possible ottoman root.
Viteaz really comes from slavic. Look for the slavo-russian Vityaz, wich really comes from germanic, from the varangians that put the basis to the first russian principates. Hungarians took this word from slavic, just like they took the word cneaz (wich also has a germanic varangian origin).
So it's more likely slavs bought this word here, since I doubt magyars or huns influenced the Rus.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Dear!!!! Shell I present for you a hun text where the vitéz is written?
I will! But I can easily of you write to my personal box. One sample for you from the hun words: "elej be" we say this today elébe meaning to in front of him!!! Can you see? only 1 word in the hungarian....5 in english... but we have a folk song:
"Elejbe! Elejbe! Pej lovan elébe!!!!" To in front of my kind horse!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
I doubt it was a minimum group, since those slavs actually broke the danubian roman border in aprox 600 AD. Now to do that you need a good military, and for a good military you need a big people.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 This is a huge dillemma can not be explain by the romanian lingustics. And if you tell this to an independent lingustics they know the answare immidiately. There were no contact between the present romanians and the goths and gepidas. But it is well known the gots and gepidas were in transilvania minimum 300 years.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Furthermore, how can it be that the romanians forgot the names of the dacian cities if they continously present in Transilvania? No river, no towns are originated from the dacians even not from the latin. It is proven that the latin names of the rivers was taken not directly to the romanian lenguage from the latin...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
What? Marisus (Mures), Alutus (Olt), Argedava (Arges), Alba Iulia, Napoca, Berzobis (Berzovia), Sarmisegetusa (the present day village, also named Bratunia between 300-500 AD). There are many names that have at least a latin continuity.
Why was the amphiteatre at Sarmisegetusa transformed in a fortress in the 3'rd-4'th century AD?
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 I am very happy now!!!
From the latin The latin A never went to the romanian in U from!!! never! Against the rule! Marisus can not be in the romanian lenguage in the form fo mUres.
Not directly from the latin. Would be mares. But if it went from the old hungarian Moris or Mores that is a rule the the hungarian emphatic O as specially before R went to the romanian lenguage in U!!! Alba Iulia is the translation of thehungarian name.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
You would be shocked but Mares is actually used in speaking in some regions of Transilvania. Just like Mores is too.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 I am not shocked at all. Because in the late hungarian it is called maros. The rules I told you is the latin-romanians transfer rules. The late arriving romanians or the modern one in many place use the hungarian name. In Decea near Aiud I talked to romanians,
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Even they did not know Maros or mures is the romanian name of the river. Because in villages living togethere with the hungarians they do not notice what lenguage they use. Even during talking they change to the other lenguage and back
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Show me one map, or document where Cluj were called Napoca by the romanians 300 years ago or before the daco-roman theory appeared 250 yeary ago! This is true for Sarmisegetusa also
Yes and there are village cold Gheorge Doja....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Well all the maps were made by austro-hungarians. I dont know of any maps the romanians made of this region, primarily because it wasnt our then, and we romanians had other things to attend to, like surviving the turks for example.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 You know when you arrive somewhere you ask what is the name of the city, village where you are.
The hungarians did not give new names instead of the existing ones. That's why we have many slav origin places. Like my town Pécs. Pecuj in slav. But in transilvania before the XV centuri there is not places where we got the names from romanians... from slav we have some.
Bistrica,,,,Kászon...Petrozseny, This are clean not hungarian origin names.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 There is no town name or river name in the romanian lenguage 300 years ago that shows direct connection from the latin. Even the latin origin names went to your lenguage from the hungarian, or slav....
Shall I list here some romanian lingustics who agree whith this.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
And since we were also speaking of the 271 withdrawal of Aurelian, there is an interesting note that most of Dacia was actually lost in the time of Gallienus, Aurelianus retreating because of this. So he had no time for an organised withdrawal, only a fast one of the army and aristocracy and could not really evacuate everyone. Just like it was in Roman Britain.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Belive me! the romans made a very organized withrowal The reason was then the cost of the defense of Dacia was more then the gold found in the mines.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Yes, a very organised one of the army administration and nobility since he made a new province in the south called Dacia Aureliana. However, that province was made with the existing population there, not with the one of the former Dacia.
Since most of the dacian territory was lost before the withdrawal, it was impossible to withdraw every single roman citizen. Some citizens might have been taken from the fortified southern part of the province, but from the central and northern one, impossible.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 And do you think the civils stayed there when the army lieved? Don't tell me! I did not here that the romanized civils went back to the barbars,,,,
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Then howcome in Britain the civilians stayed? In Gaul and Hispania also? In Africa also? Why do people accept the existance of romano-british, yet for you it's so hard to accept the existance of daco-romans?
There is no recording of any total retreat the romans ever did from a province. The plebeans were left there. They took what they needed, the army, magistrates and wealthy aristocrats.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
Besides, romanian language is descended from vulgar latin, of the plebeans, not classical latin. All romanic languages (spanish, french, portuguese) except italian are descended from vulgar latin. And why is that? Simple, because in every roman withdrawal, the plebeans didnt withdraw!
darkdanu89 2 years ago
I also have one question for you. If you believe the migration theory, then where did we migrate from? Because we could not migrate between 800-1300 here and be a latin people. Why? Because Italy and France was ruled by the germanic franks and normans, Spain by the visigoths, and the Balkans by the Byzantine Empire, primarily greek by then, and not latin like in Justinian's time.
Look for example the big differences between aromanian (greek influenced) and romanian (latin influenced) languages.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 It is easy to answere. Your ancestors are from about the north of the present Greek. from albania even to thessaliniki.that was the border of the latin-greek lenguage. The uncertain origin words in the romanian lenguage shows similarity with the albanian words. in romanian the "THE" is at the and of the word "-UL" similar to the albanian.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
lol and what made you draw that conclusion? When did they come? That region you speak of is proved as being under greek, slav, bulgar then turk yoke.
And since you speak of that, why is our language VERY different from albanian? Apart from a few words wich are of probable thraco-illyrian heritage we share nothing else.
And most importantly, what in hell latinised us here, we coming as you say, from a predominantly slavo-greek region.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 IF you pull out the newlatin words, and the slavs you lenguage will be not very far from the albanian. You should see the chronological order of the words went the romanian lenguage. Furthermore you have to understand the logic how a word is going fromone lenguage to an other one. Together with the oblect or ideas. See today. television-Engils Auto-GERMAN, AIDS-USA, Hallo-hungarian, Apartheid-holland
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 As I told there is a very ancient thing that is only inthe romanian and albanian. the -ul. Just that words are called dacian origin what has uncertain origin and fit to albanian...It is better to keep it not albanian but dacian :-)))
The romanina lenguage is not albanian, clean latin. you also have greek origin word, but of course the latin is dominant.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The greek origin words and names that are in our language come from the time of the Fanariot rulers. The name Cantacuzino for example.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Or nesztor.....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 furthermore we know that the turk origin bulgars asimilated to the ancent slav in their lenguage during the centuries. The serbs and hroats have very similar slav thanks for their close contact. Why are the serb so different from the bulgars? There had to be a nation between them for a long time to stop the evolution ot the two lenguage together.
Looj at the slovaks, and slovens...1000 years ago the had contact.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
And why is there absolutely no mention of this "nation" you speak of? Absolutely no one says of a latin speaking people to have ever been between the serbs and the bulgars.
The serbs and croats were part of Yugoslavia. As a nation then, they had a common language with different dialects. They were not united with the slavo-bulgars, hence the explanation.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 When the bulgars arrived, and their lenguage was change to be slav there were a big mass of slav people in the balkan. thanks for the ottomans their migration to north was going on. Do not forget, the chroats and serbs lived in different country!!!! but in neigbourhood. Beograd was bulgar town!
What kind of slav made the bulgars to have slav lenguage? the ancestor of the serbs. And this connection was broken. Nothing can explain the different in their lenguage.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 If you ask me about the migration I would say it was continous and very strongly catalised by the ottomans but It is still hapening today. The strongest was in the XVII-XVIII century aspecially after the last tatar invasion in 1717. They killed the population on the transilvanian plain, and the hungarian nobility invited complete villages from molodva, and oltenia.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
What? lol In those centuries romanians were already attested in Transilvania for hundreds of years.
Where is the proof that "the hungarian nobility invited complete villages from molodva, and oltenia"? Any documents? There should have been in that century. And you forget that before the tatars came to Transilvania, they came to the romanian principates, and never killed all population, only looted the land, but never killed everyone. You are coming with scifi theories.
darkdanu89 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 I have to tell you the proves are not allowed to take to romania. Why Vass is not allowed to read in Romania? Because he lists this villages. The tatar of course did not kill the people living on the hills.. they mostly as the ottomans killed the people living on the land. and near the river. The ottomans killed out the hungarians near the MAros, the Tatars killed out the people in the Tranilvanian plain in 1717.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@darkdanu89 Go to Szék-Sic near Cluj! and ask the people what they are doin in 23 august the day of Birtalan!!!
You will know about the tatar invision!
Furthermore look after the history of Livezi in Hargita. That village is not a true village. but the ancestors of the romanian people living there were coming from Moldovan when the railway to Gyimes was built. They were cheaper. They forgot to go back...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago