JFK Secret Service agents Kinney & Hill- Kennedy Detail

[DCUPtoejuice]

According to Clint, the first shot he heard hit Kennedy in the neck! That already disagrees with the Warren Commission who claims the first shot was a miss.

[barmtraiI]

I'm not sure I understand the 3 shot placements.

Did the 1st bullet hit the street as Chief Curry said he saw, or the metal chrome strip on the limo as pictured, or make the windshield hole according to 6 witnesses, or hit the grass and was dug up later as pictured, or hit the bridge curb and wounded James Teague's cheek? Or was it the 2nd or 3rd bullet?

Somebody please help me !

Which bullet was the "magic bullet"?

[VincePalamara]

@barmtraiI The magic bullet was allegedly the second shot---the first shot allegedly missed, while the third short (allegedly just one bullet) hit JFK in the head. The dent in the chrome is allegedly from a FRAGMENT from the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head, while the bullet hole in the windshield was "officially" 'just' a crack from yet another headshot fragment. The Tague missed shot was allegedly from the first shot

[VincePalamara]

@barmtraiI The magic bullet was allegedly the second shot---the first shot allegedly missed, while the third short (allegedly just one bullet) hit JFK in the head. The dent in the chrome is allegedly from a FRAGMENT from the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head, while the bullet hole in the windshield was "officially" 'just' a crack from yet another headshot fragment. The Tague missed shot was allegedly from the first shot

[VincePalamara]

@barmtraiI I say "allegedly" because the government is full of crapola on these issues

[barmtraiI]

@VincePalamara I saw a video that the FBI changed witnesses statements. The FBI statement of the witnesses said one thing, but the witnesses says on video something else. Part of it was witness Richard C. Dodd.

Dodd says on video: "The shots, the smoke came from behind the hedge on the north side of the plaza"

But the FBI report says: "He (Dodd) did not look up, and did not know where the shots came from".

If the FBI changed the witnesses statements, what does that mean for all FBI evidence?

[Nominay]

@barmtraiI It's things like this video you speak of that need to be accounted for. Where is it? It needs to be readily available in some secure archives, so that it can be used to refute any person who says "The Warren Commission did a stellar job completing a full and accurate report."

[blindjfk]

Why does hill keep contradicting the WC report and insisting on defending it?

[1450famtreesearch]

I've just watched this, and it seems to me, that it is true genuine guilt that he wasn't faster, in regards Clint Hill.  At least he moved, i don't know what the other's were doing, but they weren't running to the presidential car..

[phatcracker2007]

JFK was killed by the U.S. government, having made enemies with the FBI (Hoover), CIA, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for being perceived to be too soft on the communist menace (Bay of Pigs). A reigh-wing conspiracy is behind the assignation of the 20th century's second greatest president (JFK), FDR being the greatest.

[VincePalamara]

Due to the number of idiots seeking to defend the Kennedy Detail, I had to make this video "comments pending approval". I will do this more if I have to. Also, needless to say, you will be blocked and your comment removed if you say stupid crap

[LongLiveOx]

@sphmusak -Put their lives on the line? When exactly was this? When they stood with their feet glued to the floorboards of the follow-up car, as they watched JFK die? As they watched poor Jackie Kennedy crawl to the back of the car, risking her own life because no one was there to jump on top of her? Give me a break. Every one of those guys should have been fired, and the guys that participated in Blaine's disgusting and offensive book ought to be ashamed of themselves. How dare you defend them.

[VincePalamara]

@LongLiveOx LongLiveOx, don't you just hate these idiots that defend the JFK agents? :)

[LongLiveOx]

@VincePalamara - I know! I mean, whether you think that Oswald acted alone or, whether you think that it was a conspiracy, it is beyond me how anyone can defend the actions of the Secret Service. They were out of position and when the shots were fired, only one of them so much as moved. It's amazing.

[VincePalamara]

Sphmusak, you're the pathetic loser. Last time I checked, JFK died under their watch. They failed miserably to protect them. Honor JFK, who got his head blown off while these men drank and stayed out late the night before into the morning.

[dgware]

@VincePalamara ... you are clearly an intelligent person, and you have clearly done your homework on this matter. What puzzles me is how you get taken in by these ridiculous theories. How can you honestly vilify the agents for failing to do their job on 11-22? Do you really believe that it's possible to protect the president of the United States 24/7, 365, with a 100% success rate? You're smarter than this.

[VincePalamara]

@dgware thanks. Your message is valid...if they would have provided ANY realistic, normal protection, which they did not (as they DID do before). As Reagan agent Joe Petro stated, "Dealey Plaza was an obviously dangerous place"

[VincePalamara]

From all reports, they have made between 1-2 million just from the book. Yes-they would have never wrote the book if it wasn't for my work. Their negligence paid off for them...and one has oil interests in Yemen

[VincePalamara]

Nope, you're wrong- Dave Powers and many others said JFK did NOT interfere with the Secret Service. No more defending those idiots!

[VincePalamara]

@MrYellowlabs JFK never, ever ordered or asked that the agents remove themselves from the limo, as Dave Powers, Pierre Salinger, SAIC Gerald Behn, ASAIC Floyd Boring, SA Gerald Blaine (!), and many others told me...er, until Blaine's book came out, that is. The top issue is a nebulous one and a matter I don't make much about, as JFK often rode without it (although, as I have compiled, he did use it a decent amount of time) Philip Nelson's new book has the best answer to that issue

[VincePalamara]

@MrYellowlabs thye only wrote the book because of my letter to Hill and my contacts with Blaine and many of their colleagues. THAT is why there was a "47 year wait"

[VincePalamara]

To the idiot (s) that keep believing The Kennedy Detail garbage to which they are profiting handsomely: JFK DID NOT ORDER THE AGENTS OFF HIS LIMO! Blaine, Behn, Boring, and a host of other agents AND NON agents told me this

[LongLiveOx]

Wait a minute now. Listen from 5:00 - 5:45. Hill says that he heard the first shot, looked toward JFK, and JFK was already clutching his throat. Then he says that he started to run towards the car, but before he could get there, 2 more shots were fired. What about the shot that missed? Wasn't that supposed to be the first shot? This doesn't fit with the official story.

[MIKESOWELL]

@LongLiveOx From what I remember, the first shot was mistakened for a backfiring car. I think that's why in the Zapruder film, if I am not mistaken Kennedy and company look back briefly.

[VincePalamara]

@dmaradona10 Hill's statements go AGAINST the commission---right rear of head missing; wound six inches down on the BACK

[quarf53206]

your heart just breaks for that guy

[VincePalamara]

The SS were following orders, alright: not from JFK, but from a couple supervisors that destroyed JFK's security. JFK did NOT order the agents off his limo!

[landis444]

J.F.K. himself ordered the bubbletop off the car. He needed votes in the south and being accessible to the crowd was his direction. This tragedy was simply a matter of bad judgment. The SS were following orders and did the best job possible.

[VincePalamara]

@landis444 are you related to Paul Landis? I have videos and pics of JFK using the top in nice weather conditions, including in a PARTIAL format (just the rear and front pieces). The SS were following orders, alright: not from JFK, but from a couple supervisors that destroyed JFK's security. JFK did NOT order the agents off his limo!

[navalwarfare]

Mr Clint Hill...a real american hero...I'm glad that you've found peace!

[genericgeorge]

There is no defense for the inept but they were probably lulled into a false sense of security thinking the danger had passed since they were on the fringes of the the city. They got through the worst part and they were nearly home. But these guys get paid to protect and there was no protection. The President was left to fend for himself aka he was defenceless. I feel for Hill he at least got to the car but he should have jumped as soon as he head anything suspicious.

[VincePalamara]

President Kennedy was a very nice man, was NOT difficult to protect, and NEVER ordered the agents off the rear of his limousine (nor did his staff). The buck stops with the Secret Service. Don't believe any books by former agents trying to say otherwise!

[WWETNAwrestlingfan15]

@VincePalamara I just heard on CNN that he in fact did order them to back off so he could interact more with the people.

[VincePalamara]

@WWETNAwrestlingfan15 And I just heard on CNN that the Earth is flat. C'mon, man: do some critical thinking. CNN is dead wrong on this issue-their sources are dubious because of what Blaine said previously to me, along with a horde of his colleagues

[WWETNAwrestlingfan15]

@VincePalamara Okay because you were in the car and you know exactly what happened. We both don't know exactly what happened and we probably never will. Either of those Secret Service agents would have or rather should have tried to take that bullet. It was just a mistake to drive in a convertible that day in Dallas.

[VincePalamara]

@WWETNAwrestlingfan15 I do know what happened, based of what many agents and White House aides told me (on audio) and wrote to me

[WWETNAwrestlingfan15]

@VincePalamara Okay what you've been told may or not may be valid. The CNN report may or may not (most likely not) be valid. From what I've seen you have a strong interest in this topic, and I respect that. But don't talk about people being villains and telling them to go to hell because they unfortunately and unintentionally failed at their job. You're a grown man, I shouldn't have to be telling you this.

[VincePalamara]

@WWETNAwrestlingfan15 well, I am damn mad at those who would profit from the man they were sworn to protect and did not...AND lie about protection matters

[WWETNAwrestlingfan15]

@VincePalamara Now I don't know if that's true or not. But if it is you reserve the right to be angry about it.

[TheDudleyheathens]

i believe he was the only 1 who tryed, everybody else just sat bak

[mark2shooter]

They were out drinking because they were told they could. Most of them were told to step down the next day.

[BamaChris]

I can't imagine the pain that Hill experienced of the JFK assassination. My heart truly goes out to him. He did everything that he could do.

[SIKE01]

CLINT HILL: HERO!

[VincePalamara]

@SIKE01 Clint Hill: Villain! May he burn in Hell for failing to protect JFK and drinking the night before

[SIKE01]

@VincePalamara The secret service was woefully incompetent that fateful day...that changed the couse of history...and im IN shock!? that none of them were disciplined for their inaction.

[TheDudleyheathens]

@VincePalamara at least he did something. the people who u want to blame is the rest of them just sitting in the back as nothing had happened.

Also the blame must go to the police presents. there were none

[pat442389]

@VincePalamara during an attack such as the 1 in dallas would hills main duties be 2 protect jackie at all times or to protect the president until hes safe then secure jackie? i think its been said he was her special agent

[hitlersucks101]

@VincePalamara fuck you

[GFLOccidio]

unfortunately SAm passed away several years ago round 95' i believe im his Grandson

[VincePalamara]

7/21/97 Sam passed away. He was a great guy: I spoke to him 3 different times between 1992 and 1994 and received a letter from his wife Hazel, as well :)

[1916jutland]

Agent Hill is filmed on the back of the President's car during the ride through the streets of Dallas. He leaves and goes back to the Secret Service car before they get off of Main Street. If he would have stayed on the back of the President's car, JFK would not have been killed. The asshole driver of JFK's car stopped right in front of the grassy knoll killer. He knew JFK was hit. But he waited until the head shot to get out of there. You can see him looking at JFK before the head shot.

[HDCAMAN]

Great compile. He's still alive yeah?

[VincePalamara]

Thanks. Agent Sam Kinney (whom I spoke to on three occasions: see video response above) passed away 7/21/97. Agent Clint Hill (whom I also spoke to) is still alive.

[Scorpion1054]

Glad he is at peace now.  Thanks for posting.

[134jallen]

CIA ALTERATIONS NOTICE.

See the 'ZAPRUDER WIDE' video. Shadow differences. Most shadows fall LEFT on this film. The CIA film forgers forgot to alter 2 Main St. light poles.

Stop the film at frame # 367. See the light post shadow, top of the film, slant LEFT about 60 degree from vertical like the below people?

Stop just 20 yards down the street at frame # 411. Two light pole shadows slant RIGHT from vertical.

CIA forgers missed them. This is reality for shadows at 12:30pm in Dallas.

CONSPIRACY.

[hemispheres3]

No, if you look again it's fairly obvious the President's car sped up at that time as the agent suddenly had to treadmill his way onto the back of the car.

[obamaknights]

Why was he the only one trying to help her? at 5:48 all the police pull back, wow! The secret service killed our president

[coperthwaite777]

He and the other agents blew it that day. That is what they were trained for. The little girl heard the first shot, Kennedy, and Connelly heard it. Kennedy gets hit by the 2nd shot, the agent next to the passenger turns around see's he has been hit then TURNS BACK AROUND? Those FUC*ERS took over our Country that day, and will kill anyone (RFK, JFKjr.) that threatens them. Traitors E. Roberts radios to traitor LBJ "They got him!" ALL for greed and power. They still are doing it to us TODAY!!

[BamaChris]

There is nothing more that Agent Hill could have done, given the circumstances with which he had to work. He knew that. He was just showing integrity here by taking responsibility, which is what a Secret Service Agent is supposed to do. Even if there was nothing that you could do, it is still your responsibility to protect the president.

[VincePalamara]

Hill was one of the agents who was drinking between the night of 11/21-11/22/63

[TrueNovice]

I guess Vince doesn't believe the claim that they were only drinking"non-alcoholic beverages?" Do you think the drinking might just be away to create a plausible non conspiratorial explanation for their slow response during the assassination? You know just in case they were called to explain their behavior.

[norr4636]

@VincePalamara Did the shift 8:00pm-4:00pm out drinking the night before?

[VincePalamara]

@norr4636 check your messages

[maccagirl56]

I 'm glad that Agent Hill has found peace.

[translationwiz]

They were too far behind him for them to provide him w/cover. NOWAY could they have jumped from a moving vehicle onto another moving vehicle in time to become human shields between the 2 shots. the problem started way before: the removed bubble. the open windows, agents not on the presidential car. Those buildings should have been secured before the motorcade even arrived. Should've, could've, might've, .......If there ever was a conspiracy it was done in the form of Omission and neglect.

[JJLOB]

Did anybody 'secure' the knoll? Omission and neglect?? Was Emory Roberts' standing down of Kennedy's 2 bumper post SS agents omission or neglect??? I do sympathize with agent Hill.

[translationwiz]

YEs, I do too.

thanks for your reply.

peace

[petrulengo]

I've seen footage of assassination and it is clear to be seen that the driver of presidential car signalled him/them to move away from behind the car which is quite odd!!! This guy had no hope of saving JFK (obviously he does not recall that incident).....might be worth watching other video posts of actual assassination to get the picture of what I'm saying..

[plaidnum]

Yeah- Id like to see an interview with the agent that shrugs his shoulders after being told to back off just before the motorcade turns onto Elm...or the treasonous bastard who ordered him to stand down.

[mralex73]

that agent that shrug his shoulders is henry Rupka...but that was in the begining of the journey at the airport not just before elm street..I think rules of standing on the president car compent on the speed of the limo.on elm street just after the left turn from housten street,the car almost was standing still..at that time the agents should been staying behind JFK.

[VincePalamara]

It's Henry Rybka and you amateurs get it all wrong LOL

[mralex73]

whats wrong?maybe Im an amateur but that Rybka episode toke place at love love field..

[VincePalamara]

Love Field, yes :O)

[migo53333]

youve got your location screwed up....that happened when they were leaving the airport, not right before elm....

[DVAFP]

i'm left wondering if that last part where he's reading from a paper is his own words

[DVAFP]

if part of jfk's head was at the back of the car, he was shot from the front

[BamaChris]

@DVAFP No

[grettoz]

@DVAFP

no he was shot from behind!!!

[6Ott7]

@grettoz Clint hill reported that he clearly saw a large exit hole in the back of kennedy's head and also stated there was brain and blood all over the rear of the car. he has never retracted these observations.

[grettoz]

@6Ott7

yes we know there was brainmatter over the rear of the car, it is consistent with the findinds in the programme inside the target car, the shots from behind & above created the exaxt scenario as this!! also from the position of clint hill seeing the side of jfk,s head blown apart, & the sheer horror that he just witnessed, im sure he thought he saw just that??

[spacegirl13]

I always wondered how this guy must have felt after the assassination. That's a great burden to carry through life.

[VincePalamara]

Very true. Thanks for commenting

[flawless7777]

aww thats a shame he looks like he really did like kennedy

[audiophile55]

Why can't we see the entire Kinney interview?

[VincePalamara]

That is all I have---it was a very short intetrview, heavily edited by the Today show. See my 5 part video of my interview with Sam

[audiophile55]

Wow, bummer. They should have featured him a lot more than that. I'll check out your other interview. Thanks.

[snowdove1111]

They are using military equipment to torture me. Can someone help please?

[youvebeenthunderstru]

Well, if he knew there was a chance of assassination he shouldn't have ridden in an open limo. No president since has ever done that.

[cobrafarmer]

Kinney describes shots too close together to have come from the same bolt-action rifle--evidence of conspiracy.

Entire Secret Service was not in on the plot. I don't believe that Clint Hill was a conspirator. Perhaps the SS chief was involved.

If LBJ took charge of security, as the home-town VP might have, he could have "overlooked" open windows and lack of ground support documented by Prouty; could have instructed SS to keep their distance from JFK, ostensibly to let JFK be seen by public.

[starmanjamesd]

She did collect some brain matter from the trunk and she definitely handed it to the doctor at the hospital, Clint Hill was not on protection duty for JFK, he was Jackies protection, earlier in the procession you can see him transfer from the follow up car to the step on the rear of the limo, you can see him hanging on the left side step behind Jackie. JFK's protection never left the follow up car. The police outriders were told to stay behind the limo at all times....strange orders indeed.

[robertmastroianni]

The Secret Service was in on it; Clint Hill is a douchebag.

[infrogmation]

If people in authority in SS were in on it, that doesn't mean that every single agent was in on it.

[anastasia2657]

Frankly, I find what he says to be very feminine and almost silly, blaming himself while the world looks upon him as a hero. He wasted alot of time in his own reverie for his self-imposed wounds when he could have used his time productively by finding out who murdered our President. His feeling sorry for himself rings hollow and vain. Yuck

[youvebeenthunderstru]

Honestly, this isn't anything against Kennedy but he was reckless and put himself in more danger than needed on some occasions. Additionally the level of security wasn't what it is today.

[VincePalamara]

It wasn't JFK's fault...it was the Secret Service for not keeping him alive

[teto2001]

He is a traitor.  Trust me....

[sunbird2]

I would like to know your rationale for making this statement please

[Kwitty7]

It should never be Hill's guilt. He was positioned too far away. The prez limo has built-in running boards w/handrails, but agents were not allowed to stay on them. That would have saved jfk. Because jfk wanted to shake hands with the crowd that's used as an excuse to blame him for all security lapses. Security measures were forbidden that had nothing to do w/preventing jfk from interacting w/people. Some lapses prior to that day undoubtebly occured so they wouldn't stand out later.

[VincePalamara]

Well, Hill DID participate in the drinking incident the night before

[4LiberT]

Oh, he was one of the ones. It looks though like he managed to carry on as well as anyone could in his position.

[inqubusta1144]

is that video of the seceret service agent getting called off from the back of JFK's car real? if anyone hasnt seen it, its on youtube.

[VincePalamara]

yes, it is very real and I popularized its rediscovery back in 1991, showed it at major conferences from 1995-1997+2007, and showed it on cbale access tv in 2007 and on major tv back in 2003

[BackwoodsmanVA]

Does anyone have the names of all the Secret Service agents on the detail during JFK's assanation? Thank you.

[VincePalamara]

yes---I am the leading civilian expert on the Secret Service. My stuff is all over the net. To answer your specific question, check your e-mail :)

[RichardM333]

The book "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menniger alleges that George Hickey, a SS agent riding in the vehicle behind JFK, picked up an AR-15 in response to a loud noise that sounded like gunfire, looked to the back and saw no target; he then turned towards the front, and fell back in his seat, accidently pulling the trigger and firing his weapon in the direction of JFK, possibly hitting him. The AR-15 may have been set to fire a three round burst, a common feature on this weapon.

[VincePalamara]

That book's theory has been totally discredited years ago :)

[audiophile55]

What year ws the Kinney interview done?

[VincePalamara]

11/22/93

[eljamiro]

the reporter did not ask the right questions,1;why did the ss get called off at dallas airport?2;why was the bullet proof bubble removed at dallas.?3;is it true that the secret service team was at jack rubys stripjoint the night before getting drunk.?4;why did the driver slow down so much after the shooting started.?5;why was no action taken for extra protection when the fbi and the secret service had heaps of calls about possible attacks on jfk.?with freinds like the ss who needs enemys.

[Dogheadj]

They actually got drunk at a place called "The Cellar".

[ballsdeep69420]

oh and if the shots came as quickly as he said they did in the beginning of the video there couldnt have been one shooter

[ballsdeep69420]

oh iight that would be pretty tramatizing... still i dont think i would wana grab a chunk of his head. you should keep me updated im ubsessed or how ever its spelled about JFK shit. i dont know why. ive seen every theory. i think it was LHO and only LHO, that shit where they said the driver shot him is BULL SHIT and there was WAAAAAY more the secret service guys could have done. you hear ANYTHING that sounds like a gun shot you better get your ass up to that car!

[BlauerHut]

"...still i dont think i would wana grab a chunk of his head..."

Well, neither did Mrs. K.

People just keep saying that it looked like AS IF!

Like I wrote before, she was definitely extremely shocked and just wanted to - who knows - get out of the car, I suppose.

[anastasia2657]

Niether do I. And Clint the SS man says that the brain fell onto the street, while another version supporting this silly theory about Jackie  says she retrieved the brain on the back of the car and was holding his brains in her hand when she arrived at the hospital. In my opinion, she reacted viscerally to get out of harm's way, as she should have.

[robertmastroianni]

She was retreiving a portion of his skull/brain. She did hand it to the doctors.

[anastasia2657]

There is one story that says she retrieved it and gave it to the hospital, and Clint HIll on this tape says that the piece of brain fell to the ground (and therefore, she did not retrieve it).

[Godflesh88]

No, he said "had it fallen into the street". Meaning she didnt want it to happen. Although Im sure she was probably in shock at the time and didnt know what the hell to do really.....

[anastasia2657]

In the beginning of the tape, a younger Hill says, "because of the fact a part of her husband's head had been shot off and gone off (in) the street..."

In the later part of the tape, an older Hill says, "...Mrs. Kennedy was out on top of the truck attempting to grasp part of the President's head that had been blown off and had fallen into the street...." I will confess, his whining is causing him to slur the word in parenthesis, but it is clear. Don't let Wallace distract you.

[sunbird2]

Gov Connally heard Mrs Kennedy say "I have his brains in my hand". She had to have said that immediately after returning to her seat or he'd never have heard her.

Hill claims she was trying to retrieve something. Dr. Jenkins confirmed that she carried the brain tissue to the hospital.

Later, a fragment of the right rear (occipital parietal) bone from the presidents skull was later found in the grass on Mrs Kennedys side of the vehicle.

[BlauerHut]

Interesting what Kinney says right in the beginning about the "two following shots" especially the time span between them!

[ballsdeep69420]

i wonder why ms kennedy wanted to grab the part of his head on the trunk....

[BlauerHut]

She didn't. It was a shock reaction to what she had just seen: Her husband being shot in the head.

She later testified that she doesn't even remember climbing out of the car.

[GiolliArchives]

I never knew Clint Hill went back to Dallas before I saw this a few weeks ago. I am sure many of the participants in the motorcade went back on their own, but to think of Clint Hill as an older man walking around Dealey Plaza is astounding. Clint Hill has nothing to feel guilty about. I am glad he came to terms with it.

[l000000ll]

I feel sorry for hill

[GiolliArchives]

Amazing, he went back to Dealey Plaza. How that must have felt to him to go back to Dallas 27 years later.

[wisegambler]

You can see how guilt ridden Hill is over this whole affair. The man is tormented much like the lives of so many others were affected by that day. Very sad indeed.

[bobharris77]

Some of the "zfilm forgery" crowd have stated that Hill's jump from the running board was too quick and evidence that the film was a fake.

But he didn't jump in reaction to the 313 shot, did he? It was a shot 1.5 seconds prior to that, which provoked him.

If you don't object Vincent, I would like to create and post a brief video response which makes that clear.

Maybe Hill will see it, which will be the only way he can get the whole story, I guess.

[VincePalamara]

You have my consent :)

[bemad23]

great stuff! :)

[SCGATOR2001]

One of the most important observations of any of the witnesses is in this video! WOW!

[stevexxpp]

Cool!

[datl999]

It is nice to see Mr. Kinney and Mr. Hill talking about that tragic event