Gay marriage, Abortion and sex education. Who in the world isint their main focus on issues like pollution, destruction of certain eco systems, money in politics, POVERTY for crying out loud and forgiveness/mercy.
Religious right flips out on WRONG issues, issues that are tiny parts of the bible... and even contradictionary as Cenk said. And totally waste the money and energy when they could use their "willpower" to battle injustice and poverty.
Well, we voted Obama in TO STOP U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. You know, Obama sure has captained a lot of NON-peace as a Nobel Peace Prize winner. I'm almost ashamed to have voted for him (though NO COUNTIES in my state did!).
I'm curious to know what vs in the Bible he thinks show the Bible is "pro-choice." The Bible is actually very clear on the issue of abortion. I do agree that it has become over politicized. The Federal Gov't shouldn't have anything to do with abortion at all. The Sates are the ones who should be handling it. I do think it odd that so many GOP supporters claim abortion as a non-negotiable issue, but then are willing to waiver on so many others. If you're gonna claim princples stick to it.
Whatever, you narrow-minded asshole; you're just as bad as the zealot Christians; Abortion isn't a religious issue, it's a human issue, and if you think human life isn't valuable, then fucking kill yourself, because you're not valuable to anyone else. Get real motherfucker; you know that people hate hypocrisy, that's why they're leaving religion in record numbers. You think that your hypocrisy is any better? Either value all human life, or don't value any human life at all. It's one or the other
Yeah, you liberals think you're making progress, but really soon everyone is going to realize that your democratic party is full of just as much shit if not more than the fucking republicans. Nice try, Libtards, but guess what, you can talk all the shit you like about the stupidity of religion, but it's not going to turn you into moral humanists. You can't approve and promote the abortion of 50 million babies, a literal genocide, and then try to come across as ethical. Go FUCK yourselves...
I'm a Christian, I still hold true to my faith and go to Church as often as I can and I'm a Democratic voter. I'm not against my fellow parishioner's for the political party that they chose to affiliate themselves with. But I really wish their eyes would be open to the fact that they are being BOUGHT out with empty promises made by the vast majority of Republican politicians. And those conservative leaders only claim that they are "Christian" but in reality live very unchristian lives.
We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
What cenk Doesn't realise, I think anyway, is that we do still retain that right to be against it. I'm not a woman so personally I feel I don't have the right to say what they can or can't do with their own bodies. That's part of the reason why I'm against the catholic christians today, because all of the priests are men and they're telling women what they can't do with their bodies.
~~`The Christian Right (CR)& Republicans often state that America was founded on Judeo Christian values. America's founding fathers were predominantly ATHEISTS& DEISTS. Republicans use abortion& gay rights issues to divide America during elections& to get CR support. After elections such issues are conveniently forgotten. By referencing biblical prophecy, the Isreal Lobby uses the CR to ensure that BILLIONS in U.S. tax$s keep flowing to Isreal.~~~ CHRISTIAN RIGHT A.K.A. USEFUL IDIOTS..
@poindexterwitkowsky I like that you mentioned that our founding fathers were of other beliefs, which brings me to the point that the way our government was set up, it wasn't created to meet the needs of one group of people only. Our government is not set up to only meet the needs of evangelical Christians, its there to meet the needs of ALL PEOPLE don't matter if they are black, white, yellow, red, gay or lesbian or trans, its a government BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.
Psalm 137: 8-9 - "O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us- he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks".
"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)
A fetus isn't some other species. Right? It's human. A fetus is small, young, not very intelligent, less mature than a newborn, but it's still a person. Maybe we should be able to kill our kids as long as they are under 5yrs old.
@petieee I'm saying that if you kill a person, it is murder. Dehumanizing an age group does not change the facts. ...cells, atoms, fetus - if it's a human it is murder.
Pro life people are kind of weird. Usually they are for the death penalty or think that the problem with guns is that their should be more guns. If you tell them that laws of guilty are men laws and in the bible it says those without sin cast the first stone. Which means dont go stoning people literally. In other words Jesus was against the death penalty.
Also, abortion will not be made illegal. Roe will not be overturned. You can support whatever position you want, it won't make a difference. So be a Democrat who's pro-life. They exist. My senator, Harry Reid, is pro-life. Support your position all you want. Why do you have to agree with all your party's policies? Nobody has the power to repeal Roe right now. There is not the will to do it. No Congress, administration, or court will do it, so why not vote on the things that do make a difference?
So now do i have to watch this show to determine what is and whats not in the bible???? the bible clearly gives the right to life to an unborn child, there is no debate about it. the fact that millions of abortions take place every year worldwide, makes a young evangelical like me support a party that does stand against this hideous genocide. THAT IS WHY it is nonnegotiable... legal abortions makes possible mass murder that is unaccounted for.
More like mind controlled. Tell the sperm not to knock omeone up through psychic powers. But to acheive such a feat we'd need to acheive 100% control of our brain's power.
Im against abortion but I definitley dont believe it's murder I think rape and incest victims should get it. Besides contraception of every kind should be distributed freely, and wide spread.
I have to disagree with this. Here is a man who does not believe in the bible nor in the God of the bible, and all of a sudden he can interpret the bible and tell us what it does and doesn't say, even though he probably doesn't read the bible because he doesn't believe in God? I mean it's one thing to say you don't believe in the God of the christians nor in their bible, but it's another thing to tell christians what their book says even though you don't believe in it. It just doesnt add up!
I can see why you're concerned, but there is something you may not realize about this. Most Christian people who read the Bible read it from a perspective that the Bible is 100% correct in everything it says. Cenk, who is not a believer, might possibly have the objectivity and open-mindedness needed to read the Bible to find out what it actually says, and not read its words through a rose-tinted filter.
You dont have to practice Christianity to know about it. Thats like saying you wouldnt make a good president because you havent been one before.
In fact in a recent poll to determine who knows the most about Religeon, Atheists and Agnostics were top of the list, Christians were at the bottom, knowing the least about what they live by.
Well, it depends on what you are referring to "know about it." If you think you know about Christianity just because you've read something or you've heard a couple of arguments against it or for it, doesn't mean you truly know what that is. Christianity is about the work and life of Jesus. You need to know him if you want to understand Christianity.
I have studied the Bible, for just such debates. Its seems Christians have the hardest time studying their own faith, So the question is what do you think you know about it. I have found to many Hideous, immoral teachings and contradictions within the Bible to give it any legitimacy on a moral point.
Now the reason I posted in the first place is because of what Cenk (I think that's how you spell his name) said. He said "The issue of abortion is the one least connected to the bible..." And that is not true. The bible identifies life throughout the entired period of pregnancy. "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb." Ps. 139:13. 'm totally fine if you don't believe the bible is true. Just don't the bible doesnt say that. Because it does.
The reason abortion is not in the bible because it is a 20th century medical procedure. The bible King James version is 400 year old intrepretation of documents written over 2000 plus years ago and are not really relevent to a modern society.
You know GOP is fucking up when Evangelicals young adults are leaving. BUT! I am not surprised, this Generation doesn't go with GOP and Evangelical bullshit, haha!
I find it very difficult to believe that that evangelicals will leave the GOP but if that is happening, than liberals would leave the democratic party and the Dem. party would become a conservative party.
Youtube is in Turkey forbidden, it is inaccessible. Turkey is a racist- fascist country. These young turks come from Turkey and they do nothings against this youtube-censor in their own country because these young-idiots are also fascist and racist. They don't care about freedom or democracy . They work only for Turkey's interest. Turkey assimilate kurds also with cruelty.
So, that goes perfectly well with the Old testament's teaching of "An eye for an eye" or "a tooth for a tooth", i.e, it is OK for a man to avenge any harmful attack (including this one) with an equally savage attack. However, it is not anti-Abortion nor does it state that the fetus is of any value to God, or that Abortion is wrong. It merely states that when a person attacks a pregnant woman and she gets an accidental miscarriage due to it, then the offender must be punished.
old testament is over, now an eye for an eye is a sin and practicing it will send to hell. the arrival of god on earth changed many laws and opened salvation to all mankind not just the chosen people
The Old Testament is still meant to be practised. That's why it is there. That's why Christians have not discarded it away, The ten commandments are from the Old Testament, Jesus himself said that he came not to abolish the Jewish laws, but to fulfill them. So, any one who calls himself a Christian must follow every laws and penalties for breaking the laws that are in the Old Testament, such as stoning witches to death, stoning adulterers to death, stoning disobedient kids to death, etc.
I did read the Bible with an open mind and all i can say is that it's bullshit. If you honestly believe that i am wrong about this, then you are either a fool. a liar or in denial. Like most Christians, you probably don't like having your faith and religious beliefs challenged. Well, that's OK and only human. But what is not OK is making unsubstantiated allegations against those who prove you wrong. If i am wrong, show me how. Otherwise, shut up! It's as simple as that, really.
You said in your comment Jesus came not to abolish Jewish law but to fulfill them where in any bible says this. And if can than I admit I am wrong, but in the meantime put away your wizard wand and cape. But for the time being you are still WRONG! reda it again.
Okay you are still WRONG! And I'll tell you why, beacause you completely misinterpeted the verse completely. If you listened closely in Sunday School you would know some words in the Bible are used in different ways. Like the word "LAW" which is also interpeted to mean "COVENANT" which the Isrealites had between GOD all the way back til the time of Abraham, thats why included saying or the prophets he'd contradict himslef. Second Part "I am not come to destroy" but to fulfill" TO BE CONTINUED
I will take the verse for it's literal meaning. If the verse says LAW, then i will interpret it as LAW. It does not say or hint at a Covenant. If you look at the context, Jesus was just dispelling notions that he came to abolish the Jewish laws. He stated that he came to earth to also fulfill all the laws.
If you understand why Jesus came you'd understand the second part of the verse. He didn't come to destroy anything which he stated but to fulfill meaning the work GOD the Father sent him to do. Fufill meanung making a "New Covenant" not only with Isrealites but mankind.
As is said earlier, the verse does not hint at a covenant. Furthermore, Laws and Covenants are biblically interpreted to be two separate things. Laws (such as the Jewish laws) are enforced, whereas covenants are not. I don't recall any comparsions made in Cathechism (Catholic Sunday school).
If Jesus meant as you claim he did, then he would have said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the covenant, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
I don't know how else to explain it to you, but I made my explanation as clear as possible. But consider asking others and scholars of the bible what the verse means you'd be surprised it is not what you interpeted it to be.
The Bible clearly condemns abortion. There is no other way to read it or understand it. The reason these young people are leaving the Republican party for the Democratic party is that they are deceived by the media.
Democrats have had a war on poverty for decades and yet we still have it. Democrats have pushed for abortion on demand because they wanted "every child to be a wanted child". Democrats will never eliminate poverty because they need people dependent on the government.
If the Bible speaks out against Abortion, then it shouldn't be a problem for you to quote one verse condemning the termination of fetuses. Go ahead and do so.
Oh really! Or is it because no such verse exists in the first place, and that any verse that you can provide can be easily refuted by a Bible student such as myself. Cut the crap!
You are student of the Bible? Oh really! Tell me, how is killing an unborn child NOT killing in your Biblical view? If God knows us in our mother's womb, are we not a person?
That's a whole different issue my friend. I just asked you to provide one verse that even vaguely condemns abortion. If you can't and i'm sure of that, then it's OK. You probably are like most Christians who think that the Bible condemns Abortion, while this is simply not the case.
Killing an innocent unborn child is what abortion is. Exoudus 21:22-25, Let me give you the verse you want though. "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
It is remarkable you only quote verses 22-25, please read on and let the people know if you support what comes after verse 25 and in fact, if you support what comes BEFORE verse 22.
I totally agree with you! In fact, i feel that Abortions should not be conducted when the fetus has reached a certain stage, i.e, when they have gained sense of feelings. However, an exception to this case, is if the mother's life is in danger. But before that, it's ok to do abortion. Preventing a life from existing is not the same as killing it.
Yeah, the Democratic party is certainly the way to go if you want to fight poverty, namely via putting a gun to your head and coercing you into paying to fight poverty, right? Yeah, there's some high-minded moral principles right there. Give me a fucking break. These kids are just as confused as they ever were. Using the apparatus of the state to serve ostensibly moral ends does not amount to charity, altruism, compassion, or whatever you want to call it. For the record, I'm not a Republican.
I would say that I am among them. I am a Hispanic born-again Christian. I used to be a Republican, then I saw the Democratic party, with the exception of Abortion, has policies that help those in need, and Scripture tells me to care for the homeless and widows.
Cenk, I agree with you on abortion but your point is not valid. One, they really could just feel like abortion is killing a child and truth be told, it might be (though I feel it is necessary in some situations).
Secondly, "Thou shall not kill" includes babies so it is a sin and therefore the Bible is, "quote on quote "pro choice"
You really need to get over that. I completely agree with you that abortion should be legal but you need to make better points.
LMAO!!! Yeah like they actually knew back 2000yrs ago that life started @ conception. Who back then had a lab and was able to see these cells split and 9 months later become a baby??!!! Thou shalt not kill means don't kill living breathing people who have been born!!! Cause back then they didn't say thou shalt not kill that cell since their was NO Science they didn't know about cells back then!!!!
lol evangelists are idiots. there so obsessed by their own personal ideologies that they cant see the real world. the fact that they bought in with the republicans for so long is because they're more easily persuaded by charisma than any other community in america, and the democrats never bothered with that douchebag little community.
Anyone who denies evolution and believes the world is 6,000 years old is blind and stupid. nuff said
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You s**k man. you are an anti-christ.
There are many scriptures referring to babies and Children all over the bible you moron. If you would do the proper research, you would know that, you turkish puke.
"Ah also don't lak that uh...uh...Turkish guy he makes me wont ta throw a-why mah mooomshan" Y'all skuse may...gotta go red tha bi-bo, and mek luv to mah kuzzin""
"I love Jesus, I believe the Bible, and I got family values, However I've got no use for blacks, latinos or gays. I hope they burn in hay-yell......PRAISE THE LORD"
Vegg: I was using sarcasm to drive home a point. I used to live in Tulsa, Ok, the "Buckle of the Bible belt". Everywhere, there's bumperstickers, buttons, etc proclaiming the faith.
They are without a doubt, the MOST bigoted, racist, backwards, non-thinking people that Ii've ever been around.
These people could say "Praise The Lord, Thank You Jesus", and in the same breath say: "I got no use for blacks, latinos, etc,etc!!
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Real Christians respect the loving teachings of Christ. How dare you condemn unborn human beings to death. To be cut apart in the womb.
You probably support sodomists too; people who attack the sanctity of marraige with their perversions. They deserve eternal damnation and will have it.
Yurimai, you are the kind of fanatic that lined up to burn witches back in the day. You spit hate wrapped up in the package of "protecting" childern and respecing Christ. Childern that you will never care about or want to see helped the second they are taken out thier mother ... keep your eternal damnatoin garbage, We should always stand against your kind .. if I am wrong and you are right (rolls his eyes) I will be happy to be with the vast bulk of humanity ready to rush the gates ...
Exactly! I am a Christian, but I am also a healthcare professional. Abortion MUST remain a safe, legal option for women and their families. Period. We live in a pluralistic society that must be religion-neutral. One group can NOT impose it's will on the rest of the nation. We are not a theocracy!!
I completely agree. I'm a Christian Democrat and, frankly, unless you are a doctor or the person who might need an abortion, you need to stay out of it. It is already a hard enough decision without having a bunch of other people in your face and bombing hospitals.
Exactly! I hate how 'pro-life' use the word 'casually ' to describe women's reasons to get an abortion. No one makes that choice casually and they all have reasons behind it. If the religious right wants to strip women of rights, they should be protesting at courts, not clinics where poor women are tormented for their choice without anyone knowing the reasons behind it. Plus, if your only reason to be against something is 'the Bible says so" you don't have an argument.
@bamadawgsc Are you sure you re a christian. If you re not sure here s an easy test: if you re not a mindless egoistic hypocritical twisted authoritarian braindead zombie then theres a fair chance that you might just believe you re a christian but you re not.
@bamadawgsc There is no such thing as religion-neutral. We have to base our morals on something. If we didn't "impose" anything, then who is to say murder is wrong, or misrepresenting products that are sold is wrong, or dumping toxins into lakes is immoral. If abortion is considered killing a live human being that has rights, how is "imposing" one groups will any different than "imposing" the view that murder is wrong and should be punished. Religion is separate, but laws must come from morals.
what does it matter if the bible says that abortion is murder? we have seperation of church and state. why should abortion be outlawed because of what one religion says?
@leiapeison "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." The government can't stop people from practicing their religion or forcing someone to follow theirs. But having laws about what is wrong based upon religion is common. This is why murder and stealing is illegal.
how can one be a free thinking and evangelical at the same time? its a total contradiction.... free thinkers are open minded and read every book in existence.... evangelicals... read strictly the bible and other Christian material with no open mind to anything otherwise...
You've got to be kidding. He says young, evangelicals are more independent thinking but somehow are completely naive on the issue of abortion? Explain this to me: how are these voters able to be such sharp thinkers but stupid sheep on one particular issue? You've completely missed the story here: these voters don't vote on party lines but on conscience--this is why they can embrace substantive issues both left and right. Great example of partisan politics here, the very thing we loathe.
If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life
well since u like to quote the bible go down a like 2 versuss and read the stupidity of the holy bible then keep reading and when u get to Deuteronomy take a deep breath cause apparently every one should be stoned to death ...there how is that for interpreting the bible the bible is such a shitty book it should be in the comedy section of a bookstore sad part ppl take it seriously to guide their pathetic lives
This verse is not about abortion, but about vengeance. The cruelty that Israel experienced at the hands of the Babylonians was so heart wrenching that the Psalmist revealed what was in the heart of God's people. The Psalmist did not hide how the people felt. That is how one can know the reliability of the Biblical text! The Bible does not hide the attitudes of its characters, i.e. whether sin, righteousness, unholiness or Holiness, the writers are consistent.
As a society we make light of monogamous heterosexual marraige while at the same time we politic for samesex marraige. Go figure. Both Jesus and Saint Paul were right in their generations. Jesus said if the light is in you darkness, how great is that darkness and Paul said "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." We live in day when (especially the buffoons in the news media) call light darkness and darkness light. We crucify the righteous and stand with those in darkness. Wake up!
People say that they are pro-choice because of not, "babies will end up in a dumpster." They end up in a dumpster because we have sex in dumpsters. As a society lack of moral restraint has become the norm. The term "puritancal" conjures up images of no sexual freedom. Whether puritanical or sexually promiscuous both are extremes. You would figure with all our intelligence there would be no abortions. Obviously sin is on the throne of our lives and not salvation.
Actually the religious right worldview stems from the idea that Christians can participate in political affairs. After the civil rights movement a theology developed in America. It was simply this, keep your religion private. As this view was starting to gain public acceptance evangelicals simultaneously were experiencing a reawakening about their role in the public life of America. Have there been extremes, yes? But what can be more extreme than the murder of our unborn?
I'm not american either, I'm British and most of what he said was right. I'm Christian and looking over I think the Democratic party policies are more in line with Christian values except for on abortion in particular. Also the Republicans could not get Rowe vs Wade repealed anyway so why vote for them based on that issue alone. Where Cenk is wrong is that the bible does not justify abortion at all. Cenk, if you got quotes in context to justify your position read them out.
yeah, there is a lot of that poverty stuff, taking care of the sick, poor and elderly, forgiving and loving in the Bible. It's kind of the things Christ based his ministry on, and kind of the reason I'm voting Democrat come spring. Funny how that works out, huh?
I think it's written in the bible that "He (God) knit ye in the womb." So.... his logic that there's NOTHING even REOMTELY about abortion in the bible kind of fails...
But I certainly agree that Evangelicals make WAY too big of a deal out of the abortion thing.
The religious right may nitpick about the bible, but just because they cite bible verses to justify their pro-life stance doesn't mean that it's the real reason for it. I think pro-lifeness is a byproduct of evangelicals' cultural values:
2) Compassion for the helpless (They view embryos as tiny innocent people)
3) Responsibility - This is the big one. When it comes right down to it, Republicans don't care the most about reducing abortion (or else they would support certain social programs, sex ed, etc). Rather, it's about holding the mother accountable for sinning, and if you get a typical Republican angry enough in a debate, they'll reveal this to you.
What else is new? Republicans are ultimately about holding everyone "accountable" for sinning - from women to minorities to the poor. You're either just like them or you're wrong, evil, and deserving of punishment. This is what the "personal responsibility" buzzword really means. You're "personally responsible" for failing to be the way they want you to be, and you need to pay for it.
evangs got tired of being roped in by GOP promises and riled up by gay fear and abortion panic, when those promises never were carried through after the election. Dems never made any promises but we never lied to evangs as a class for our political advantage either.
And yes, earth stewardship and responsible governance is compatible with belief. Maybe not with prosperity theology, republicans can keep them.
22. "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
23. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life..."
a) The unborn's life is equivalent in value to an adult's life in God's sight
b) This also outlines God's Law against criminal feticide
Please don't confuse Christianity with politics (republicans/democratic). Christians in Brazil, China, Sweeden... are neither republican nor democratic. Jesus wasn't republican nor democratic. Churches who advertise a president or a party, are wrong.
"Give Cesar what is Cesar's and God what is God's." Jesus Christ.
How do you reconcile "Thou shall not kill" with this verse 1 Samuel 15:2-3 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." Please specifically note the direct command to slay infants and sucklings. Does this support your belief that the Bible is against abortion?
i'm PRO CHOICE cause the babies will wind up in a dumpster
if it's at a prenatal center they can possibly convince the mother for ADOPTION, also laws allow mothers to anonymously drop off babies at fire/police stations
A lot of christians' stance on abortion has very little to do with single specific verses in the bible. But based more on morals that the bible teaches. And the morals that are taught in church and by pastors. The bible doesnt say to be lead by a democratic government but we are because it is the best choice. the bible doesn't say don't have abortions but we dont believe it is morally and ethically right to do so. in the words of juno's asian friend, " all babies want to be borned."
abortion is also the least connected to the executive branch. It's a judicial issue first well before legislative - is there a doubt in anyone's mind that THAT is going to REALLY be the number 1 thing on the political slate the next 4 to 8 years? Economy. Environment. Race. Poverty. War...ya know...think about it
its not about the Bible! The point is morality and what is right and wrong in God's eyes. watching porn on the internet is not in the Bible either, but God still hates it. Its the same with abortion.
lol its called the spirit of God, read acts, its not blind faith to believe in God when you actually feel his spirit inside him. How do I know what God hates, since I have his spirit in him and I have a little thing called morality and a conscience.
so your "morality and conscience" tells you what god hates? what about people who disagree with you on moral issues, or who's conscience is different? why isn't their conscience correct in telling them "what god hates?"
and what if someone experiences the same feeling of "having spirit inside them" but they are muslim, hindu, ect? how do you know the feeling you have isn't just emotional? and if it is a "spirit" how do you know its christian god?
everyone's consience is the same, everyone knows murder is wrong, lying, stealing cheating, anger is worng, you may lie and supress that but it is true, go to a cannabalistic tribe in africa and ask them if they actually believe what they do is correct. As for the spirit, no other "religion" acknowldges that. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the Father! as for the Bible being correct, read it yourself and see what conclusion you come up with it.
Abortion has always been a touchy subject. I don't think there is any direct reference to it in the Bible. All positions are pulled from other, more oblique references. But what IS there in the Bible are lots of justifications for killing children, including for mere disobedience. I think Biblical protection for anyone only extends as far as that person's piety & obedience - children included. There was virtually no outcry against the 500,000 Iraqi children who died due to US sanctions.
How about the verse ,"You shall not murder" one of the big ten there budy. No politics involved, snuffing out an innocent unborn life is maddness and every religion in the world condemns abortion. Even big Dem Clinton states that it should be rare showing that even a man with no conscious can see its evil. It is true, the republicans are wrong on the Iraq war and other things but on the dem's are insane to condone abortion. 4,000 have died in Iraq,but abortion kills that amount in a day.
...their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Abortion still indisputable?
I think the best method against unwanted teenage pregnancy is proper education and giving young people real opportunity to make something out of their lifes.
Since when does the actual content of the Bible have anything to do with what Evangelicals believe? They believe in the rapture, they are judgemental and hateful to miscellaneous groups of people, they could care less about the planet, and they are usually war's biggest supporters. So I'll ask you again: since when does the content of the Bible have anything to do with Evangelical thought or action?
I'm an Evangelical sick and tired of the GOP, and I know the Bible well, and I honestly don't think you can say that there are "equal and opposite" verses that suggest that abortion is okay. They didn't even have abortions back in Biblical times, but there are verses that are clear that an unborn child is a human with a soul. None the less, I contend that it is hypocrisy to be pro-life and pro-war. In the big picture, though I abhor abortion, I'm not going to overlook everything else for it.
They did have abortion back then, postnatal abortion.
In roman and greek culture when a child wasn't judged as fit enough by the family elders they threw it away and let it die in the city dump or wilderness.
(Maybe one reason why christianity has succeeded is because they out bear the pagans by not commiting infanticide.)
Stop making fool, of your viewers sir. Both parties are run out of London. Go and do your research. please read more and watch less TV people. Wake up and smell the coffee. These corrupt politicians and media whores have sold this great nation to the liberal Anglo/dutch Financial institutions in Europe.
I suppose you're out there protesting the Iraq war then.
Hypocrite.
A 3 month old fetus feels no pain and is not conscious, will die if it is separated from it's life support system. Terry Sciavo, felt no pain, was not conscious, died without her life support system.
More than 80% of abortions are carried out before 3 months. 48% of women would have gotten an abortion sooner but found it hard to make arrangements (disruptive laws enacted by pro-lifers).
Gay marriage, Abortion and sex education. Who in the world isint their main focus on issues like pollution, destruction of certain eco systems, money in politics, POVERTY for crying out loud and forgiveness/mercy.
Religious right flips out on WRONG issues, issues that are tiny parts of the bible... and even contradictionary as Cenk said. And totally waste the money and energy when they could use their "willpower" to battle injustice and poverty.
Anuojat 1 month ago
Well, we voted Obama in TO STOP U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. You know, Obama sure has captained a lot of NON-peace as a Nobel Peace Prize winner. I'm almost ashamed to have voted for him (though NO COUNTIES in my state did!).
mythmanjay 1 month ago
I'm curious to know what vs in the Bible he thinks show the Bible is "pro-choice." The Bible is actually very clear on the issue of abortion. I do agree that it has become over politicized. The Federal Gov't shouldn't have anything to do with abortion at all. The Sates are the ones who should be handling it. I do think it odd that so many GOP supporters claim abortion as a non-negotiable issue, but then are willing to waiver on so many others. If you're gonna claim princples stick to it.
ransom22 4 months ago
Whatever, you narrow-minded asshole; you're just as bad as the zealot Christians; Abortion isn't a religious issue, it's a human issue, and if you think human life isn't valuable, then fucking kill yourself, because you're not valuable to anyone else. Get real motherfucker; you know that people hate hypocrisy, that's why they're leaving religion in record numbers. You think that your hypocrisy is any better? Either value all human life, or don't value any human life at all. It's one or the other
melbyRick 4 months ago
Yeah, you liberals think you're making progress, but really soon everyone is going to realize that your democratic party is full of just as much shit if not more than the fucking republicans. Nice try, Libtards, but guess what, you can talk all the shit you like about the stupidity of religion, but it's not going to turn you into moral humanists. You can't approve and promote the abortion of 50 million babies, a literal genocide, and then try to come across as ethical. Go FUCK yourselves...
melbyRick 4 months ago
I'm a Christian, I still hold true to my faith and go to Church as often as I can and I'm a Democratic voter. I'm not against my fellow parishioner's for the political party that they chose to affiliate themselves with. But I really wish their eyes would be open to the fact that they are being BOUGHT out with empty promises made by the vast majority of Republican politicians. And those conservative leaders only claim that they are "Christian" but in reality live very unchristian lives.
Olgalevin84 5 months ago
What's Cenk is forgetting is abortion isn't an issue of religion.
HowToGetFreebies 5 months ago 2
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We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
scotttebben 5 months ago
What cenk Doesn't realise, I think anyway, is that we do still retain that right to be against it. I'm not a woman so personally I feel I don't have the right to say what they can or can't do with their own bodies. That's part of the reason why I'm against the catholic christians today, because all of the priests are men and they're telling women what they can't do with their bodies.
downwithbreeders 5 months ago
~~`The Christian Right (CR)& Republicans often state that America was founded on Judeo Christian values. America's founding fathers were predominantly ATHEISTS& DEISTS. Republicans use abortion& gay rights issues to divide America during elections& to get CR support. After elections such issues are conveniently forgotten. By referencing biblical prophecy, the Isreal Lobby uses the CR to ensure that BILLIONS in U.S. tax$s keep flowing to Isreal.~~~ CHRISTIAN RIGHT A.K.A. USEFUL IDIOTS..
poindexterwitkowsky 6 months ago 5
@poindexterwitkowsky I like that you mentioned that our founding fathers were of other beliefs, which brings me to the point that the way our government was set up, it wasn't created to meet the needs of one group of people only. Our government is not set up to only meet the needs of evangelical Christians, its there to meet the needs of ALL PEOPLE don't matter if they are black, white, yellow, red, gay or lesbian or trans, its a government BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.
Olgalevin84 5 months ago 2
hmm, how does the bible say abortion is murder? what terminology does this book use. I canno imagine abortion being an issue in those times
BeingNobody1956 7 months ago
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As to Obama, piss on him...
Impeach this racist, anti-America, liberation theologian !!! Get the trash out of our Whitehouse !!!
2012 YES WE WILL !!!!!
ASentinel2 10 months ago
Actually, the bible condones infantacide, child-slavery, child-rape, and child-sacrifice in a number of places.
As well as (no joke) ripping pregnant women's bellies open, and "bashing their little ones brains out upon the rock".
SinnFein4ever 10 months ago
@SinnFein4ever What verse is that?
TheoreticalLife 8 months ago
@TheoreticalLife
Psalm 137: 8-9 - "O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us- he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks".
"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)
I can provide more.
SinnFein4ever 8 months ago
So how did those 2010 elections work out for ya Democrats? AHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHH!!
mgallant01 10 months ago
A fetus isn't some other species. Right? It's human. A fetus is small, young, not very intelligent, less mature than a newborn, but it's still a person. Maybe we should be able to kill our kids as long as they are under 5yrs old.
patriotsport 11 months ago
@patriotsport
Actually the term "fetus" is applicable to any vertebrate species.
It simply reffers to the stage at which an embryo's structure begins to look more like that of an adult of its kind.
In humans, the fetus stage begins at about 9 weeks.
At which time, it's still about the size of a grain of rice, and looks rather like an Iguana.
But you don't have to take my word for it...
Just go to any public library, and check out a biology textbook.
SinnFein4ever 10 months ago
When a murderer kills a pregnant woman, he is charged with 2 counts of murder. However, when a woman decides to kill her baby, it's Okay. ?
patriotsport 11 months ago
@patriotsport Thats not true.
petieee 11 months ago
@petieee I'm saying that if you kill a person, it is murder. Dehumanizing an age group does not change the facts. ...cells, atoms, fetus - if it's a human it is murder.
patriotsport 11 months ago
@patriotsport Of course killing a person is murder. But treating a fetus like a human being just because they have human cells is ridiculous.
petieee 11 months ago
call me ignorant but, honestly I don't know. a fetus probably has trillions of cells. bottom line: it's still a person.
patriotsport 11 months ago
@patriotsport A tub of yogurt has trillions of cells. What is your point?
petieee 11 months ago
@petieee
HA HAA HA HA HAHAHAHAA!
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EPIC comment!
SinnFein4ever 10 months ago
Pro life people are kind of weird. Usually they are for the death penalty or think that the problem with guns is that their should be more guns. If you tell them that laws of guilty are men laws and in the bible it says those without sin cast the first stone. Which means dont go stoning people literally. In other words Jesus was against the death penalty.
J5MARLON 11 months ago
it's pretty simple. Murder is wrong.
patriotsport 1 year ago
@patriotsport you're right. is killing a cow murder? is killing a plant murder? is killing a few cells murder?
redryan20000 11 months ago
@redryan20000 Yes.
Humans are made up of cells. So, if you unjustly end human life, it's murder.
patriotsport 11 months ago
@patriotsport how many cells make up a zygote, a fetus, and an actual human being?
redryan20000 11 months ago
Also, abortion will not be made illegal. Roe will not be overturned. You can support whatever position you want, it won't make a difference. So be a Democrat who's pro-life. They exist. My senator, Harry Reid, is pro-life. Support your position all you want. Why do you have to agree with all your party's policies? Nobody has the power to repeal Roe right now. There is not the will to do it. No Congress, administration, or court will do it, so why not vote on the things that do make a difference?
xJoeEDangerouslyx 1 year ago
Why do they call the Republicans the GOP? What's that stand for Greedy Oil Plutocrats?
If not that's what it SHOULD stand for. I mean that's an accurate description after all.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak Grand Old Party
-Joe E Dangerously
xJoeEDangerouslyx 1 year ago
Actually, the bible is not pro-choice. There are several passages that are very clear about murdering babies and children.
apostate001 1 year ago
@apostate001
Oh yeah, that god approves of dashing them against rocks mainly.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@apostate001 But is it clear on what is and what isn't a child/baby/human being ?
painkillerzman 1 year ago
@painkillerzman Actually yes. Anyone not Hebrew and in a town that the Hebrews said their god told them to plunder was not a human being.
apostate001 1 year ago
@apostate001 Hehe. I did not expect anything else from the Bible.
painkillerzman 1 year ago
@apostate001 But the crux of pro-choice is that a fetus is not a baby or a child. It is a fetus.
I don't think anyone who's pro choice and mentally sound is simultaneously pro child murdering as you might assuming they would be.
Fawcks 1 year ago
When he goes "woah, you don't say" I just started cracking up!
DarkAngel0125 1 year ago
So now do i have to watch this show to determine what is and whats not in the bible???? the bible clearly gives the right to life to an unborn child, there is no debate about it. the fact that millions of abortions take place every year worldwide, makes a young evangelical like me support a party that does stand against this hideous genocide. THAT IS WHY it is nonnegotiable... legal abortions makes possible mass murder that is unaccounted for.
bhishma01 1 year ago
I know the Answer to the problem, make sperm remote controlled
InfernoRage121 1 year ago
@InfernoRage121
More like mind controlled. Tell the sperm not to knock omeone up through psychic powers. But to acheive such a feat we'd need to acheive 100% control of our brain's power.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
Im against abortion but I definitley dont believe it's murder I think rape and incest victims should get it. Besides contraception of every kind should be distributed freely, and wide spread.
1984vrs 1 year ago
@1984vrs Adoption is a better answer.... But yeah, contraception is good.
TriaMaxwell 1 year ago
If you are Christian, don't have an abortion. The government should not support one religion.
Ryuinfinity 1 year ago
I have to disagree with this. Here is a man who does not believe in the bible nor in the God of the bible, and all of a sudden he can interpret the bible and tell us what it does and doesn't say, even though he probably doesn't read the bible because he doesn't believe in God? I mean it's one thing to say you don't believe in the God of the christians nor in their bible, but it's another thing to tell christians what their book says even though you don't believe in it. It just doesnt add up!
ivaltierrez 1 year ago
@ivaltierrez NonChistians tend to understand the bad work of fiction better than the Christians.
TriaMaxwell 1 year ago
@ivaltierrez
I can see why you're concerned, but there is something you may not realize about this. Most Christian people who read the Bible read it from a perspective that the Bible is 100% correct in everything it says. Cenk, who is not a believer, might possibly have the objectivity and open-mindedness needed to read the Bible to find out what it actually says, and not read its words through a rose-tinted filter.
To me, it adds up perfectly. Just saying.
KwasiMounsou 1 year ago
@ivaltierrez
You dont have to practice Christianity to know about it. Thats like saying you wouldnt make a good president because you havent been one before.
In fact in a recent poll to determine who knows the most about Religeon, Atheists and Agnostics were top of the list, Christians were at the bottom, knowing the least about what they live by.
PalmtreeBand 1 year ago
@PalmtreeBand
Well, it depends on what you are referring to "know about it." If you think you know about Christianity just because you've read something or you've heard a couple of arguments against it or for it, doesn't mean you truly know what that is. Christianity is about the work and life of Jesus. You need to know him if you want to understand Christianity.
ivaltierrez 1 year ago
@ivaltierrez
I have studied the Bible, for just such debates. Its seems Christians have the hardest time studying their own faith, So the question is what do you think you know about it. I have found to many Hideous, immoral teachings and contradictions within the Bible to give it any legitimacy on a moral point.
PalmtreeBand 1 year ago
@PalmtreeBand
Now the reason I posted in the first place is because of what Cenk (I think that's how you spell his name) said. He said "The issue of abortion is the one least connected to the bible..." And that is not true. The bible identifies life throughout the entired period of pregnancy. "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb." Ps. 139:13. 'm totally fine if you don't believe the bible is true. Just don't the bible doesnt say that. Because it does.
ivaltierrez 1 year ago
The reason abortion is not in the bible because it is a 20th century medical procedure. The bible King James version is 400 year old intrepretation of documents written over 2000 plus years ago and are not really relevent to a modern society.
forty8r 2 years ago
Evangelicals....Evangelicals LEAVING?!
You know GOP is fucking up when Evangelicals young adults are leaving. BUT! I am not surprised, this Generation doesn't go with GOP and Evangelical bullshit, haha!
Ever seen Jesus Camp? Explains a lot of my shock.
musiclovinggurl123 2 years ago 2
I find it very difficult to believe that that evangelicals will leave the GOP but if that is happening, than liberals would leave the democratic party and the Dem. party would become a conservative party.
this country desperately needs a third party
TonyMarks2 2 years ago
Youtube is in Turkey forbidden, it is inaccessible. Turkey is a racist- fascist country. These young turks come from Turkey and they do nothings against this youtube-censor in their own country because these young-idiots are also fascist and racist. They don't care about freedom or democracy . They work only for Turkey's interest. Turkey assimilate kurds also with cruelty.
newruz11 2 years ago
but its not just religious views, I'm a liberal atheist and im not pro-choice
1Vella 2 years ago
So, that goes perfectly well with the Old testament's teaching of "An eye for an eye" or "a tooth for a tooth", i.e, it is OK for a man to avenge any harmful attack (including this one) with an equally savage attack. However, it is not anti-Abortion nor does it state that the fetus is of any value to God, or that Abortion is wrong. It merely states that when a person attacks a pregnant woman and she gets an accidental miscarriage due to it, then the offender must be punished.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
old testament is over, now an eye for an eye is a sin and practicing it will send to hell. the arrival of god on earth changed many laws and opened salvation to all mankind not just the chosen people
TheJudgeMan1 2 years ago
The Old Testament is still meant to be practised. That's why it is there. That's why Christians have not discarded it away, The ten commandments are from the Old Testament, Jesus himself said that he came not to abolish the Jewish laws, but to fulfill them. So, any one who calls himself a Christian must follow every laws and penalties for breaking the laws that are in the Old Testament, such as stoning witches to death, stoning adulterers to death, stoning disobedient kids to death, etc.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
Jesus also stated that only he who was without any sin was to give those penalties.
He also stated that you will be judged with the same measure that you judge others with.
FireHigh101 2 years ago
And yet he stated that these laws must be upheld! Such contradictions are not unusual for the Bible.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
WRONG! read and understand the scriptures before you go and tell people lies.
TerroristKiller1 2 years ago
I did read the Bible with an open mind and all i can say is that it's bullshit. If you honestly believe that i am wrong about this, then you are either a fool. a liar or in denial. Like most Christians, you probably don't like having your faith and religious beliefs challenged. Well, that's OK and only human. But what is not OK is making unsubstantiated allegations against those who prove you wrong. If i am wrong, show me how. Otherwise, shut up! It's as simple as that, really.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
You said in your comment Jesus came not to abolish Jewish law but to fulfill them where in any bible says this. And if can than I admit I am wrong, but in the meantime put away your wizard wand and cape. But for the time being you are still WRONG! reda it again.
TerroristKiller1 2 years ago
All right, dude. Since you asked!
Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
Okay you are still WRONG! And I'll tell you why, beacause you completely misinterpeted the verse completely. If you listened closely in Sunday School you would know some words in the Bible are used in different ways. Like the word "LAW" which is also interpeted to mean "COVENANT" which the Isrealites had between GOD all the way back til the time of Abraham, thats why included saying or the prophets he'd contradict himslef. Second Part "I am not come to destroy" but to fulfill" TO BE CONTINUED
TerroristKiller1 2 years ago
I will take the verse for it's literal meaning. If the verse says LAW, then i will interpret it as LAW. It does not say or hint at a Covenant. If you look at the context, Jesus was just dispelling notions that he came to abolish the Jewish laws. He stated that he came to earth to also fulfill all the laws.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
If you understand why Jesus came you'd understand the second part of the verse. He didn't come to destroy anything which he stated but to fulfill meaning the work GOD the Father sent him to do. Fufill meanung making a "New Covenant" not only with Isrealites but mankind.
TerroristKiller1 2 years ago
As is said earlier, the verse does not hint at a covenant. Furthermore, Laws and Covenants are biblically interpreted to be two separate things. Laws (such as the Jewish laws) are enforced, whereas covenants are not. I don't recall any comparsions made in Cathechism (Catholic Sunday school).
If Jesus meant as you claim he did, then he would have said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the covenant, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
I don't know how else to explain it to you, but I made my explanation as clear as possible. But consider asking others and scholars of the bible what the verse means you'd be surprised it is not what you interpeted it to be.
TerroristKiller1 2 years ago
All right! Anyway, it was nice debating with you.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
Talking like that you clearly must be possessed of the devil and living in sin !
... just kidding ;)
GendPzTrSchmidt 2 years ago 5
lol. ;-)
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
The Bible clearly condemns abortion. There is no other way to read it or understand it. The reason these young people are leaving the Republican party for the Democratic party is that they are deceived by the media.
Democrats have had a war on poverty for decades and yet we still have it. Democrats have pushed for abortion on demand because they wanted "every child to be a wanted child". Democrats will never eliminate poverty because they need people dependent on the government.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
If the Bible speaks out against Abortion, then it shouldn't be a problem for you to quote one verse condemning the termination of fetuses. Go ahead and do so.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
It is not a problem, but in your case, a waste of time.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Oh really! Or is it because no such verse exists in the first place, and that any verse that you can provide can be easily refuted by a Bible student such as myself. Cut the crap!
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
You are student of the Bible? Oh really! Tell me, how is killing an unborn child NOT killing in your Biblical view? If God knows us in our mother's womb, are we not a person?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
That's a whole different issue my friend. I just asked you to provide one verse that even vaguely condemns abortion. If you can't and i'm sure of that, then it's OK. You probably are like most Christians who think that the Bible condemns Abortion, while this is simply not the case.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
Killing an innocent unborn child is what abortion is. Exoudus 21:22-25, Let me give you the verse you want though. "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
It is remarkable you only quote verses 22-25, please read on and let the people know if you support what comes after verse 25 and in fact, if you support what comes BEFORE verse 22.
tarpumpphillips 2 years ago
killing a life is a sin whether inside a womb or outside it. one doesnt need a special verse from the bible to feel that. use ur logic smart boy
kariyiljose 2 years ago
I totally agree with you! In fact, i feel that Abortions should not be conducted when the fetus has reached a certain stage, i.e, when they have gained sense of feelings. However, an exception to this case, is if the mother's life is in danger. But before that, it's ok to do abortion. Preventing a life from existing is not the same as killing it.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago 2
i second u brother.
kariyiljose 2 years ago 3
A life unable to support itself is not viable.
If101284 2 years ago
Yeah, the Democratic party is certainly the way to go if you want to fight poverty, namely via putting a gun to your head and coercing you into paying to fight poverty, right? Yeah, there's some high-minded moral principles right there. Give me a fucking break. These kids are just as confused as they ever were. Using the apparatus of the state to serve ostensibly moral ends does not amount to charity, altruism, compassion, or whatever you want to call it. For the record, I'm not a Republican.
ilikejuicealot 2 years ago
I would say that I am among them. I am a Hispanic born-again Christian. I used to be a Republican, then I saw the Democratic party, with the exception of Abortion, has policies that help those in need, and Scripture tells me to care for the homeless and widows.
bluesboy25000 2 years ago
Cenk, I agree with you on abortion but your point is not valid. One, they really could just feel like abortion is killing a child and truth be told, it might be (though I feel it is necessary in some situations).
Secondly, "Thou shall not kill" includes babies so it is a sin and therefore the Bible is, "quote on quote "pro choice"
You really need to get over that. I completely agree with you that abortion should be legal but you need to make better points.
VeggieTrunks 2 years ago
LMAO!!! Yeah like they actually knew back 2000yrs ago that life started @ conception. Who back then had a lab and was able to see these cells split and 9 months later become a baby??!!! Thou shalt not kill means don't kill living breathing people who have been born!!! Cause back then they didn't say thou shalt not kill that cell since their was NO Science they didn't know about cells back then!!!!
blade2166 2 years ago
lol evangelists are idiots. there so obsessed by their own personal ideologies that they cant see the real world. the fact that they bought in with the republicans for so long is because they're more easily persuaded by charisma than any other community in america, and the democrats never bothered with that douchebag little community.
Anyone who denies evolution and believes the world is 6,000 years old is blind and stupid. nuff said
Xiller8 2 years ago
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You s**k man. you are an anti-christ.
There are many scriptures referring to babies and Children all over the bible you moron. If you would do the proper research, you would know that, you turkish puke.
airborne4325 2 years ago
"Ah also don't lak that uh...uh...Turkish guy he makes me wont ta throw a-why mah mooomshan" Y'all skuse may...gotta go red tha bi-bo, and mek luv to mah kuzzin""
publicatdamagnificen 2 years ago
LMAO ! ! ! ! !
jamesmaseobrown 2 years ago
"I love Jesus, I believe the Bible, and I got family values, However I've got no use for blacks, latinos or gays. I hope they burn in hay-yell......PRAISE THE LORD"
publicatdamagnificen 2 years ago
That's not a Christian. I think you should realize the difference. Someone who preaches hate can not be doing the work of Jesus Christ.
VeggieTrunks 2 years ago
Vegg: I was using sarcasm to drive home a point. I used to live in Tulsa, Ok, the "Buckle of the Bible belt". Everywhere, there's bumperstickers, buttons, etc proclaiming the faith.
They are without a doubt, the MOST bigoted, racist, backwards, non-thinking people that Ii've ever been around.
These people could say "Praise The Lord, Thank You Jesus", and in the same breath say: "I got no use for blacks, latinos, etc,etc!!
publicatdamagnificen 2 years ago
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Real Christians respect the loving teachings of Christ. How dare you condemn unborn human beings to death. To be cut apart in the womb.
You probably support sodomists too; people who attack the sanctity of marraige with their perversions. They deserve eternal damnation and will have it.
Yurimai0 3 years ago
When you have a baby then your opion on abortion will count.
gamehound83 3 years ago 5
Yurimai, you are the kind of fanatic that lined up to burn witches back in the day. You spit hate wrapped up in the package of "protecting" childern and respecing Christ. Childern that you will never care about or want to see helped the second they are taken out thier mother ... keep your eternal damnatoin garbage, We should always stand against your kind .. if I am wrong and you are right (rolls his eyes) I will be happy to be with the vast bulk of humanity ready to rush the gates ...
amsharper 2 years ago
Exactly! I am a Christian, but I am also a healthcare professional. Abortion MUST remain a safe, legal option for women and their families. Period. We live in a pluralistic society that must be religion-neutral. One group can NOT impose it's will on the rest of the nation. We are not a theocracy!!
bamadawgsc 3 years ago 52
AMEN!
loopyman76 3 years ago
I completely agree. I'm a Christian Democrat and, frankly, unless you are a doctor or the person who might need an abortion, you need to stay out of it. It is already a hard enough decision without having a bunch of other people in your face and bombing hospitals.
VeggieTrunks 2 years ago 2
Exactly! I hate how 'pro-life' use the word 'casually ' to describe women's reasons to get an abortion. No one makes that choice casually and they all have reasons behind it. If the religious right wants to strip women of rights, they should be protesting at courts, not clinics where poor women are tormented for their choice without anyone knowing the reasons behind it. Plus, if your only reason to be against something is 'the Bible says so" you don't have an argument.
LifeUntilLove 2 years ago
There is no reason to murder an unborn child. Maybe if they were not so casually having sex they could avoid the decision all together.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
@bamadawgsc Are you sure you re a christian. If you re not sure here s an easy test: if you re not a mindless egoistic hypocritical twisted authoritarian braindead zombie then theres a fair chance that you might just believe you re a christian but you re not.
omnissient 8 months ago
@bamadawgsc You say you are a christian. Doesn't that mean that you believe in the concept of a soul?
aaa333ify 8 months ago
@bamadawgsc There is no such thing as religion-neutral. We have to base our morals on something. If we didn't "impose" anything, then who is to say murder is wrong, or misrepresenting products that are sold is wrong, or dumping toxins into lakes is immoral. If abortion is considered killing a live human being that has rights, how is "imposing" one groups will any different than "imposing" the view that murder is wrong and should be punished. Religion is separate, but laws must come from morals.
Dustman3400 6 months ago
what does it matter if the bible says that abortion is murder? we have seperation of church and state. why should abortion be outlawed because of what one religion says?
leiapeison 3 years ago 38
@leiapeison I am pro-life because I have learned about fetal development, not because I am chrsitian.
aaa333ify 8 months ago
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@leiapeison "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." The government can't stop people from practicing their religion or forcing someone to follow theirs. But having laws about what is wrong based upon religion is common. This is why murder and stealing is illegal.
Dustman3400 6 months ago
how can one be a free thinking and evangelical at the same time? its a total contradiction.... free thinkers are open minded and read every book in existence.... evangelicals... read strictly the bible and other Christian material with no open mind to anything otherwise...
meowchi87 3 years ago 2
You've got to be kidding. He says young, evangelicals are more independent thinking but somehow are completely naive on the issue of abortion? Explain this to me: how are these voters able to be such sharp thinkers but stupid sheep on one particular issue? You've completely missed the story here: these voters don't vote on party lines but on conscience--this is why they can embrace substantive issues both left and right. Great example of partisan politics here, the very thing we loathe.
scottarmstrong1971 3 years ago
I think young Christians are waking up to the fact that the gop/evangelical marriage is nothing short of idolatry.
Conservatives love to talk about the evils of abortion. Once you are born they say 'screw you.'
Also with all these references from the Torah, I have one question:
Are you Jewish or Christian?
bamadawgsc 3 years ago
How are evangelicals taking this out of context? These verses clearly show that taking the life of a fetus is murder.
Exo 21:22-23 NIV
If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life
dthatcher7 3 years ago
well since u like to quote the bible go down a like 2 versuss and read the stupidity of the holy bible then keep reading and when u get to Deuteronomy take a deep breath cause apparently every one should be stoned to death ...there how is that for interpreting the bible the bible is such a shitty book it should be in the comedy section of a bookstore sad part ppl take it seriously to guide their pathetic lives
tomdamho 3 years ago
This verse is not about abortion, but about vengeance. The cruelty that Israel experienced at the hands of the Babylonians was so heart wrenching that the Psalmist revealed what was in the heart of God's people. The Psalmist did not hide how the people felt. That is how one can know the reliability of the Biblical text! The Bible does not hide the attitudes of its characters, i.e. whether sin, righteousness, unholiness or Holiness, the writers are consistent.
fothgt 3 years ago
As a society we make light of monogamous heterosexual marraige while at the same time we politic for samesex marraige. Go figure. Both Jesus and Saint Paul were right in their generations. Jesus said if the light is in you darkness, how great is that darkness and Paul said "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." We live in day when (especially the buffoons in the news media) call light darkness and darkness light. We crucify the righteous and stand with those in darkness. Wake up!
fothgt 3 years ago
People say that they are pro-choice because of not, "babies will end up in a dumpster." They end up in a dumpster because we have sex in dumpsters. As a society lack of moral restraint has become the norm. The term "puritancal" conjures up images of no sexual freedom. Whether puritanical or sexually promiscuous both are extremes. You would figure with all our intelligence there would be no abortions. Obviously sin is on the throne of our lives and not salvation.
fothgt 3 years ago
I have never had sex in a dumpster. How was it?
deanrdd 3 years ago
Actually the religious right worldview stems from the idea that Christians can participate in political affairs. After the civil rights movement a theology developed in America. It was simply this, keep your religion private. As this view was starting to gain public acceptance evangelicals simultaneously were experiencing a reawakening about their role in the public life of America. Have there been extremes, yes? But what can be more extreme than the murder of our unborn?
fothgt 3 years ago
dude..i watch this show ..and im not even american..im brtish...and you are officially an IDIOT.
OptoDominus 3 years ago
I'm not american either, I'm British and most of what he said was right. I'm Christian and looking over I think the Democratic party policies are more in line with Christian values except for on abortion in particular. Also the Republicans could not get Rowe vs Wade repealed anyway so why vote for them based on that issue alone. Where Cenk is wrong is that the bible does not justify abortion at all. Cenk, if you got quotes in context to justify your position read them out.
eleganthavoc 3 years ago
actually opto IS right. and given obama's stance on the bill he opposed. the save the infant child bill. more will vote republican.
3swelldogs 3 years ago
Screw religion and the idiots who follow the piper. We're born, procreate (Most of us) and die; repeat. Get over it!
greiner3 3 years ago
yeah, there is a lot of that poverty stuff, taking care of the sick, poor and elderly, forgiving and loving in the Bible. It's kind of the things Christ based his ministry on, and kind of the reason I'm voting Democrat come spring. Funny how that works out, huh?
stutwostep 3 years ago 3
I think it's written in the bible that "He (God) knit ye in the womb." So.... his logic that there's NOTHING even REOMTELY about abortion in the bible kind of fails...
But I certainly agree that Evangelicals make WAY too big of a deal out of the abortion thing.
velcroboy60000 3 years ago
so many urgent things that take greater precedence. Like THE WAR.
~s~
septentrionale 3 years ago
The religious right may nitpick about the bible, but just because they cite bible verses to justify their pro-life stance doesn't mean that it's the real reason for it. I think pro-lifeness is a byproduct of evangelicals' cultural values:
funkalunatic 3 years ago
1) Family (having lots of babies)
2) Compassion for the helpless (They view embryos as tiny innocent people)
3) Responsibility - This is the big one. When it comes right down to it, Republicans don't care the most about reducing abortion (or else they would support certain social programs, sex ed, etc). Rather, it's about holding the mother accountable for sinning, and if you get a typical Republican angry enough in a debate, they'll reveal this to you.
funkalunatic 3 years ago 2
What else is new? Republicans are ultimately about holding everyone "accountable" for sinning - from women to minorities to the poor. You're either just like them or you're wrong, evil, and deserving of punishment. This is what the "personal responsibility" buzzword really means. You're "personally responsible" for failing to be the way they want you to be, and you need to pay for it.
Naturyl 3 years ago
evangs got tired of being roped in by GOP promises and riled up by gay fear and abortion panic, when those promises never were carried through after the election. Dems never made any promises but we never lied to evangs as a class for our political advantage either.
And yes, earth stewardship and responsible governance is compatible with belief. Maybe not with prosperity theology, republicans can keep them.
GretchenDawntreader 3 years ago
Exodus 21
22. "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
23. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life..."
a) The unborn's life is equivalent in value to an adult's life in God's sight
b) This also outlines God's Law against criminal feticide
c) The killing of the unborn is murder
If you asked the baby, he would b prolife
i7z7z7y 3 years ago
if you asked the baby, he'd look at you all out of focus like and some drool would dribble out of his mouth.
Because he's a baby. Dumbass.
GretchenDawntreader 3 years ago
I think you didn't get the point.
i7z7z7y 3 years ago
Wow. Blatant cherry picking if I've ever seen it. Have you read the rest of the Bible?
sashiadortman 3 years ago
Please don't confuse Christianity with politics (republicans/democratic). Christians in Brazil, China, Sweeden... are neither republican nor democratic. Jesus wasn't republican nor democratic. Churches who advertise a president or a party, are wrong.
"Give Cesar what is Cesar's and God what is God's." Jesus Christ.
In other words, don't mix.
i7z7z7y 3 years ago
The bible says "Thou shall not kill" and abortion is the murder of the unborn. It has nothing to do with politics.
talagp 3 years ago
are you against the death penalty?
siogyumolcs 3 years ago
How do you reconcile "Thou shall not kill" with this verse 1 Samuel 15:2-3 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." Please specifically note the direct command to slay infants and sucklings. Does this support your belief that the Bible is against abortion?
sashiadortman 3 years ago
i'm muslim and i'm against abortion BUT
i'm PRO CHOICE cause the babies will wind up in a dumpster
if it's at a prenatal center they can possibly convince the mother for ADOPTION, also laws allow mothers to anonymously drop off babies at fire/police stations
ACTORnSCREENWRITER 3 years ago
A lot of christians' stance on abortion has very little to do with single specific verses in the bible. But based more on morals that the bible teaches. And the morals that are taught in church and by pastors. The bible doesnt say to be lead by a democratic government but we are because it is the best choice. the bible doesn't say don't have abortions but we dont believe it is morally and ethically right to do so. in the words of juno's asian friend, " all babies want to be borned."
zacgil 3 years ago
good analysis Cenk but id like 2 hear the bible verse just 4 confirmation.
doboy09 3 years ago
abortion is also the least connected to the executive branch. It's a judicial issue first well before legislative - is there a doubt in anyone's mind that THAT is going to REALLY be the number 1 thing on the political slate the next 4 to 8 years? Economy. Environment. Race. Poverty. War...ya know...think about it
almandeto 3 years ago
its not about the Bible! The point is morality and what is right and wrong in God's eyes. watching porn on the internet is not in the Bible either, but God still hates it. Its the same with abortion.
LordGodofIsrael 3 years ago
how do you know what god hates? how do you know that the bible is even correct?
dweebieMC 3 years ago
Of course it isn't! lol
arngrei 3 years ago
lol its called the spirit of God, read acts, its not blind faith to believe in God when you actually feel his spirit inside him. How do I know what God hates, since I have his spirit in him and I have a little thing called morality and a conscience.
LordGodofIsrael 3 years ago
I asked how you knew the bible was correct.
so your "morality and conscience" tells you what god hates? what about people who disagree with you on moral issues, or who's conscience is different? why isn't their conscience correct in telling them "what god hates?"
and what if someone experiences the same feeling of "having spirit inside them" but they are muslim, hindu, ect? how do you know the feeling you have isn't just emotional? and if it is a "spirit" how do you know its christian god?
dweebieMC 3 years ago
everyone's consience is the same, everyone knows murder is wrong, lying, stealing cheating, anger is worng, you may lie and supress that but it is true, go to a cannabalistic tribe in africa and ask them if they actually believe what they do is correct. As for the spirit, no other "religion" acknowldges that. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the Father! as for the Bible being correct, read it yourself and see what conclusion you come up with it.
LordGodofIsrael 3 years ago
Abortion has always been a touchy subject. I don't think there is any direct reference to it in the Bible. All positions are pulled from other, more oblique references. But what IS there in the Bible are lots of justifications for killing children, including for mere disobedience. I think Biblical protection for anyone only extends as far as that person's piety & obedience - children included. There was virtually no outcry against the 500,000 Iraqi children who died due to US sanctions.
FeelFreeToArgue 3 years ago
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TheYoungTurks 3 years ago
How about the verse ,"You shall not murder" one of the big ten there budy. No politics involved, snuffing out an innocent unborn life is maddness and every religion in the world condemns abortion. Even big Dem Clinton states that it should be rare showing that even a man with no conscious can see its evil. It is true, the republicans are wrong on the Iraq war and other things but on the dem's are insane to condone abortion. 4,000 have died in Iraq,but abortion kills that amount in a day.
emopeacekid 3 years ago
This is kind of lame, he should cite his sources on things.
tterwe 3 years ago
he does, seattle times. everything else is opinion
mcalien24 3 years ago
The bible on abortion. (I'm sure there are more verses like these.)
Psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Hosea 13:16
...their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Abortion still indisputable?
I think the best method against unwanted teenage pregnancy is proper education and giving young people real opportunity to make something out of their lifes.
DeletedDelusion 3 years ago
Since when does the actual content of the Bible have anything to do with what Evangelicals believe? They believe in the rapture, they are judgemental and hateful to miscellaneous groups of people, they could care less about the planet, and they are usually war's biggest supporters. So I'll ask you again: since when does the content of the Bible have anything to do with Evangelical thought or action?
lurkula 3 years ago 3
Fuck religion!
12,000 killed in China and
100,000 deaths in Myanmar!!???????????
Olphus 3 years ago
You forgot the war they are killing kids!! And their kids are getting married. How HIPOCRIT are we?
ramonahinder12 3 years ago
I'm an Evangelical sick and tired of the GOP, and I know the Bible well, and I honestly don't think you can say that there are "equal and opposite" verses that suggest that abortion is okay. They didn't even have abortions back in Biblical times, but there are verses that are clear that an unborn child is a human with a soul. None the less, I contend that it is hypocrisy to be pro-life and pro-war. In the big picture, though I abhor abortion, I'm not going to overlook everything else for it.
Berkana 3 years ago 3
They had abortions in Biblical times. Medically induced ones, and rabbinical wisdom was that it was acceptable to abort up until you felt life.
I agree with your position though. Very Biblical, taking the beam from your own eye instead of obsessing with the mote in your neighbor's.
Wendy62 3 years ago 2
They did have abortion back then, postnatal abortion.
In roman and greek culture when a child wasn't judged as fit enough by the family elders they threw it away and let it die in the city dump or wilderness.
(Maybe one reason why christianity has succeeded is because they out bear the pagans by not commiting infanticide.)
DeletedDelusion 3 years ago
Stop making fool, of your viewers sir. Both parties are run out of London. Go and do your research. please read more and watch less TV people. Wake up and smell the coffee. These corrupt politicians and media whores have sold this great nation to the liberal Anglo/dutch Financial institutions in Europe.
wisemansden 3 years ago
James Dobson would not agree with you on that
Ans he was instrumental in electing Bush twice.
However,I don't recall Christ saying you need to be a Republican,Dobson seems to think so.
Frnlam 3 years ago 3
Wow, they actually are reading the bible, amazing. Maybe if they read it enough they'll realize the whole thing is bullshit.
studio7manga 3 years ago 3
More Cenk goodness
Otacrack 3 years ago
Dam, dam true.
SpaceboyProductions 3 years ago 2
Senior citizen human, adult human, child human, infant human, fetal human. All humans just at different stages of development.
Thou shall not murder.
And way to conflate socialism and charity.
Epic878787 3 years ago
"Thou shall not murder"
I suppose you're out there protesting the Iraq war then.
Hypocrite.
A 3 month old fetus feels no pain and is not conscious, will die if it is separated from it's life support system. Terry Sciavo, felt no pain, was not conscious, died without her life support system.
More than 80% of abortions are carried out before 3 months. 48% of women would have gotten an abortion sooner but found it hard to make arrangements (disruptive laws enacted by pro-lifers).
studio7manga 3 years ago 3