Remington Copper Solid Sabot - 12 Ga - Smoothbore vs. Rifled Choke

[mole569]

the pre-rifled have been proven to have no actual gains in performance, in other words you are wasting your money and they just plain suck.

[jonnycronik]

sabot slugs were designed to be used in non-rifled barrels ..hence why they are pre-rifled . what are the chances that the rifling on the slug and the barrel are going to match up???? im no math wiz but im betting not very well.

[snikwah25]

+1 subscribed!

[bigdogbuc]

It would seem that a rifled choke is kind of a waste of money. That's a lot of distance to travel to suddenly slam into rifling and try to start a spin. Seems more like a rifled choke would hang up the wad and sort of sling shot the sabot out. I'll bet that puts a lot of stress on the choke tube and threads. This is kind of an either/or proposition. Fully Rifled or smoothbore with rifled slugs. Thanks for the video.

[georgesantoro]

if you put a rifled choke tube in a normal, unrifled barrel, is it ok to shoot sabot slugs?

[bigdogbuc]

@georgesantoro I think that's what he just did. Seems like the only thing a rifled choke would improve is Remingtons bank account.

[HK45Mark23]

I use this Sabot in my H&R. Works great every time!

[breakyoselffool100]

i use the same shells only they are 2 3/4 and they put them down all the ones i shot with these shells did not run any more then 50 yards

[conan566]

Man can you still find these shells I jus shot a Doe last weekend with my Winchester 1100 and she was right at 82 yards man got good hit put my beed right in the area and shot seen her kick and found her about 20 min later about 100 yds away my son shot one at about the same eight years ago. I'm shooting modafide choke but its right on I checked Walmart but couldn't find them I bought box of five in 2003 I want to get more their great for deer with regular shot gun

[23mrcowboys]

i thought you were only susposed to shoot these through a fully rifled slug barrel...i shoot these through my 870 rifled slug barrel....dropped a deer at 130 yards...sounds like a rifle going off

[andreleger2001]

@23mrcowboys Yes I would say the slug was not fully stabalized with our rifled choke tube. Use a full length rifled barrel.

[greatwhitetailhunter]

These slugs workerd ALOT better than the older ones. I took many deer with them but lack long range preformance. They will do the job though.

[aaronscrewme]

You're the only tester of sabots that I can find, and I've been serching for HP sabots for home defense because I'm a mofo. I can't tell you how helpful your videos are. You cut the sabots open, and they're not cheap. I appreciate that.

I have 4 sabot brands I use for HD right now. 2 of them you tested, the Rem. Accutip, and this one. The third one is Wincester partionGold and the fourth is Federal Fusion. I have to ask, do you have a favorite?

[andreleger2001]

@aaronscrewme I like the Hexolit32 rounds.

[dannman4209]

the older slug is better and stronger..... this one is week and smaller thats y it opens up ezyer .

[460WeatherbyMag]

Very nice. I should consider it for my gun. I was hoping you could test some of Hornady's sabot slugs if you don't mind. Also I was hoping if you could tell me where I could find a 12 gauge rifled choke tube or barrel that would fit an H&R Pardner in the Tucson area. I've been looking everywhere. -Cheers

[andreleger2001]

@460WeatherbyMag I will try to get some of the Hornady slugs for testing. I think I got the choke tube from midwayusa. You might check their website for one for the Pardner.

[caleb5665]

i have a remington 870 and shoot rifled slugs would it be better for me to buy one of those rifled chokes and use remingtons sabbot slugs or stick with the rifled slugs

[andreleger2001]

@caleb5665 Our experiences with the Rifled Choke Tube indicate that it is only marginally stabilizing saboted slugs. I would recommend a fully rifled barrel if you are going to shoot sabots. Otherwise, I would stick with a Foster style slug.

[TheBiliken]

What are the specs of your remington 870, I am curoius if this is a smooth bore or a rifled bore. Also, are you using a magnum round or is this a standard load? I use mine just for clay birds and I have though about using it for deer season and changing out the choke to an imporved cylinder and mine is a smooth bore. I just don't want to spend the 300 bucks to get a rifled barrel with a scope mount to shoot at 100 yards max through the thick brush to hit a deer. What are your thoughts?

[andreleger2001]

@TheBiliken This particular test was a magnum round. We tried both chokes and neither stabilized any of the saboted rounds. A fully rifled barrel is needed to stabilize sabot slugs well. I think you would do well without spending any money by just using a standard foster style slug. Just about any of them are accurate to 100 yards with iron sights and a smooth bore. Personally I am not a big fan of magnum shotgun loads - too much recoil for not enough gain in terminal performance.

[12799MaDeuce]

looks like the mother of all DPX bullets!

[shmuckling]

@12799MaDeuce It's a mother.... :)

[1gamoguy]

never seen anyone ask this, and ive been wondering, so where the hell do yall get all these jugs from to test with? lol

[andreleger2001]

@1gamoguy I have 5 kids and go through a lot of milk, but we cannot keep up with our jug needs. Often we buy them at Wal-Mart for less than a dollar each on the test day to make up the difference.

[1gamoguy]

@andreleger2001 lol i was going to say you must drink ALOT of milk, and now to get back to the munitions you have been testing, i think they are trying to get the 12 gauge to be more of a black powder projectile, outside of the shotshell it looks exactly like what you load a modern inline smoke stick with, however the weights are heavier with the 12 gauge, seems a little to much for a white tail... just curious on your thoughts

[andreleger2001]

@1gamoguy It may be overkill with the smaller whitetails we have in the south. I would assume a slug of this weight would have no trouble getting completely through one. I am certainly no expert on deer hunting. In either case I have discovered a full rifled barrel is needed to properly stabilize sabot slugs. If your shooting sabots from a smooth bore you would be better off getting cheaper foster style slugs.

[1gamoguy]

@andreleger2001 well yea, any slug should be shot through a rifled barel, that would be like using a rifled barel shotgun to hunt turkey with in a game load, of number 5 shot, as soon as the shot exited the barel it would scater, BUT since your shotgun is a smooth bore you should test the federal slugs with the new flight control wad, they are specially made for people using a shotgun with a smooth bore.... i was always curious on how those would perform and they are not that expensive

[andreleger2001]

@1gamoguy I will try to get some for future testing.

[mojothemigo]

These are all copper and they weigh more then a lot of other sabbots, yet they SEEM to be about the same length and diameter as well as reaching similar speeds. I'ld imagine these would be good for black bears and hogs.

[Da252corruptor]

what was the score of game next door?

[andreleger2001]

@Da252corruptor Lol.

[Semiautomaticshooter]

Nice video thanks for sharing. I have been using these for a while now but only in 2and3/4 length and really like how the work . Never thought about cutting the shell open before thanks for showing that I use these in a 12gauge 20 inch rifled barrel

[dxxa94]

Hey its me again the guy that everytime is saying: you should try the .500 magnum or the .454 cassul

i just have 1 question

what cal its the sabot¿

[andreleger2001]

@dxxa94 I will measure it tonight and let you know.

[andreleger2001]

@dxxa94 I do not have a precision caliper (yet) but by my ruler the slug base measures 9/16 " or .56 caliber.

[dxxa94]

@andreleger2001 wow thats a big cal y can imagine how much damage it cause :D

[golfer15963]

wouldnt this prove worthless with the smoothbore since a sabot slug needs spin to fly straight and with a smoothbore it would just tumble out the barrel?

[andreleger2001]

@golfer15963 I would not say worthless, but certainly it will not work as it was designed. Getting hit with a sideways flying slug will likely still drop a deer, although accuracy will suffer. For a smoothbore I would use traditional Foster style slugs and avoid sabots.

[golfer15963]

@andreleger2001 i think a sideways hit will be a less lethal hit than a dead on straight hit... i always use rifled slugs for my smoothbore and gan hit a decent group at 100 yards, an idiot frand of mines shoots sabots out his smoothbore wich is about the dumbest thing you can do, why? hes spending $10 or more for sabots for 5 rounds only to have a tumbling bullet when instead u can get 5 rifled slugs for half the price.

[andreleger2001]

@golfer15963 Agreed.

[Eslamizar]

WoW...... I want some of those shells lol

[DocTacDad]

Death by copper!

[midnamechip]

That's interesting; I do think Winchester makes a better slug. In my opinion Remington makes great buckshot and decent slugs, I'm not too impressed with their defensive pistol ammo quality though.

[tylormurphy]

did the rifled choke tube work better for the slug?

wats the max accurate range for a saboted slugcin a rifled choke? wondering if a should get a 30.06 rifle next or a henry22lr plinker. if its good past 100yrs ill jus get the henry and wait on the savage

[andreleger2001]

@tylormurphy Overall I would say the rifled choke tube was only marginally effective in stabilizing the slug. A full-length rifled barrel would likely work much better.

[bobwatters]

honestly it looked pretty sick. but i think after seeing how much they have improved pistol hp performance they should be able to make this thing expand more that much copper should be able to expand well over an inch! im sure they will get there i just cant wait to see the sexy petals when they do!

[Fisherdave10]

@bobwatters You have to remember these are hunting rounds not self defense rounds. For hunting you need adequate penetration to reach vitals, break bones and possibly exit the animal. Over expansion = Under penetration. These slugs looked very impressive before and after firing. Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end....

[bobwatters]

@Fisherdave10 thats very true! i forgot there is a diffrence in my drunkeness lol but if they can make a hunting slug that performs this awsome then they could make one that performs just as great for self defense! b/c for self defense u need less penatration so u can have more expansion so i bet they could make this thing expand like crazy if they were only goin for like 13" to 15" of penatration

[ammosmith]

They sure yaw on impact.

[Garuda1337]

Awesome test. I was always curious about the difference between the two.

[pjicleanair420]

widow maker

[frodo70444]

dude u should try to see if u can hit a icechest or sumtin from 30 yards with them and then see what it does exspansion wise

[ammohead73]

Dayum,pretty impressive!!!