(6/9) We are God, God is Love - Neale Donald Walsch

[Satori1800]

Thank you for uploading powerful video. It has helped me immensely. Looking forward to future uploads eagerly:)

joseph

[TheGetfresh1]

Thumbs up if you wish the lecture had star gazing lights in the background

[meow0meow7]

This part was great.

[crystalballer7983]

You are correct. To believe this dogma, I WOULD have to undergo evolution. Since The Holy Spriit from GOD has revealed to me that evolution IS the ULTIMATE lie from Satan, his orginal lie, then no, I would never be subscribing to Neale's perverted message. So, I agree with you, it would take more than a miracle for me to believe this kind of perversion. It would be impossible.

Dear Lord, please open our eyes and let us see ourselves for what WE REALLY ARE: not what we imagine ourselves.

[avedic]

@crystalballer7983 you sound like a cult member

[13teres]

@crystalballer7983 Don,t pray for us pray for yourself You really need help.Poor you.

[wuwei5150]

thank you neale

[DaneStolthed]

Don't let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.

[vincentsedubun]

@DaneStolthed

I am sure, in Christ his time, was claimed that Christ had empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense

[DaneStolthed]

@vincentsedubun Jesus fulfilled prophecy and preached from the Tora and the Prophets (the Jewish Bible) and the kicker, He was raised from the dead over 500 people saw Him after his resurrection. He didn't just preach the Kingdom of Heaven, He (unlike Mr. Walsch) demonstrated the Kingdom with power, signs, wonders and miracles. Mr. Walsch's claim to truth is that he FEELS he is right? Nothing based outside of his own emotions? We are not gods!

[vincentsedubun]

@DaneStolthed

I completely agree that Jesus demonstrated with power, signs, wonders and miracles the Kingdom, i do not understand though what you mean with the kicker, i'm afraid i lack that knowledge. I also don't know if Jesus did resurrected, because all i have is my believe to accept that Jesus did. You or me may not be gods, but at this moment of writing a reply, we think to create a conversation that we can experience about believe, doesn't that make us a part of God?

[DaneStolthed]

@vincentsedubun What makes us a part of God? Being God would mean that you have complete control of everything that does not posses a free will right? The only thing that we as Gods creations have control of is our own will. Can we control anything outside our own free will? Therefore how can we claim to be gods or God or a part of God. God's Spirit can dwell in you, however that does not make you God. God is described as Holy and set apart form all things.

[vincentsedubun]

@DaneStolthed Prt1

Everytime a baby is born, people sometimes like to refer to the mother by telling it has the same eyes as her, or the father, as having the same nose for example. Yes, it doesn't make me God if only God's Holy Spirit dwell in me. If the baby doesn't have any similarities as the parents then its probably not its child to begin with. The child cannot be the father or the mother, but eventually the baby become one of it. If the baby chooses too ofcourse.

[vincentsedubun]

@vincentsedubun Prt3

Yes, God is Holy and set apart from all things, but may so... that God is not really that far away from us?

God may and may not control us in God's way, as they say, God acts in mysterious ways. Also a father or a mother can act like that way towards their child, but sometimes because the child doesn't understand their motivation yet. But when the time is right, and the child becomes a father or a mother, then the baby knows.

[DaneStolthed]

@vincentsedubun Oh, we can be God's children not God Himself. I agree whole heartedly. Well that's not what Mr. Walsch is saying, he is saying that God and us are equal or that us and God are 1 and the same. This is what sparked my first statement. I believe Mr. Walsch is a sincere man that loves people and wants to do good, however his philosophies are not consistent with the nature of Jesus (who is God) and thus is deceiving a multitude of people with his pseudo-Christian teaching.

[vincentsedubun]

@DaneStolthed

:)

I have learned a lot from this conversation and from you too, they say if you have patience, everything become clear, and i can tell, it is true.

i wish you a fine weekend DaneStolthed, may God smile upon you!

[DaneStolthed]

@vincentsedubun Thank you!

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed To say we are not part of God is to say God is not omnipresence since we would be outside of God.

"...my God...I would no wise be unless I were in you..." - Saint Augustine

We (humans) are Not equal to God since God since God is the totality of all existences. However, we can be one with God when we cease our individual identity (ego). We can experience heaven right now; some call it ascension.

"Lest I die, let me die, so that I may see it" - Saint Augustine

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip Omnipresence means everywhere at the same time (ever present) not everything at the same time.

I agree that God desires to be one with us that is why He came as Jesus the Christ and died to pay the price to reconcile us back to Him. Our SELF or "ego" (which is the root of sin) is what separates us from Him. The only way to know God is by the Holy Spirit dwelling within us. The Holy Spirit can not inhabit us if we are filled with selfish desires. Oneness with GOD is a great mystery.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed I agree. And since we can get rid of our ego, we are certainly not our ego; ego is like the clothes we wear.

But then who are we? When we get rid of all identities that we give ourselves; we are existence. In that sense, God is everything for God is the essence of everything which is pure existence; that's what omnipresence means. God is existence itself and essentially, we are too. When you see in a higher perspective, it all makes sense; both your's and Neale's approach.

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip The "ego" or the self is a stumbling block to knowing God any time self is exalted we obscure the Glory of God. Since we cannot get rid of self (or ego as you call it) it must be in subjection to the Holy Spirit of God for us to commune with Him. I disagree on this point, God doesn't want us to forsake our identity but rather reveal who we really are in Jesus. God has fearfully and wonderfully created all mankind in His image for His good pleasure and glory.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed If you get out of your accustomed narrative and see what you are really talking about, there's really no contradiction.

You talked about self, but the self is not the ego. Our ego is more like a "little self", or who we think we are. What we really are is the "big self", or existence itself.

What exactly is the Holy Spirit? In my eyes, Holy Spirit is existence itself that dwell within each of us.

Do you really know what "image of God" means?

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip Uhhhhhh... Before we proceed any further we need to agree that truth is that which affirms propositionally the nature of reality as it is. If we cannot agree on that then it will be impossible for us to engage in any productive dialogue.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed You see, what you are saying is like differentiating different sexes, races, nationalities.

What I'm saying is "We are all human beings"

Neither of us is wrong. See in both perspectives to have a more complete picture of the truth.

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip Again... Truth is that which affirms propositionally the nature of reality as it is.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed I think there are different levels of truth. Just as we have different levels of identity. Our essential identity is existence.

The highest level of truth is eternal and universal; some call it the ultimate truth.

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip Truth is that which affirms propositionally the nature of reality as it is. What part of this statement do you disagree with? 

"Higher level of truth" there is only absolute truth and that is definitive. Here's an example, we as human beings will all physically die at some point in our lives. This statement is true for all humans.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed I agree completely. However the nature of reality changes when our perspective changes. Our choice or freewill. The choice that changes our perception of reality. A depressing man or a blind girl's reality is very different from yours;

And then there's what you call absolute truth, or ultimate truth. That which never changes and applies to all. I agree, we as human beings will all die. But we as existence, consciousness, will never die. That's the ultimate truth.

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip Reality is not synonymous with perception. If perception and reality were one and the same the world would be flat as people perceived it to be in Christopher Columbus day.

Which is why I disagree, the depressing man or a blind girl may have a different perception than us but we live in the same reality. Truth always builds upon established truth and truth never contradicts itself, if it seems that it does the error lies with the one who is perceiving the said contradiction.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed We have different perceptions of the same reality. True, therefore reality has different faces from different perspectives. By viewing in my perspective, you'll be looking at reality at a different angle. There's no right or wrong in these perspectives. There are, however, less complete and more complete, views of reality. That's why I said there are different level of truths.

[funglip]

Let me explain how they could coexist together

Relative truth = changes

It always changes, never stops; we're constantly choosing w/ our freewill

And change itself is the ultimate truth, change itself is what never changes; unaffected by time and applies to all. Our freewill is absolute. It is our destiny to have freewill.

God is formless as God manifests in all forms (pure existence), unchanged because God is forever changing. God = Truth = Consciousness = Existence = Love = Free = One

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip We believe in different gods, this is quite apparent through out our discussion. The God (that is to say Yahweh) that I worship is the God of the Bible and He is never changing, according to Malachi 3:6.

The god you speak of is not found in the Bible and seems more like a force rather than a person. What are you basing the knowledge of this force you call god on? Freewill is not a matter of destiny, we as humans already posses freewill.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed No, we do not believe in different gods. We do, however, believe in different versions of the same God for there's only one God.

God is not person; God seems to be a person in the Bible because the Bible is written by a person.

Don't base your belief entirely on the Bible, as Jesus said:

"He who knows the All, but has failed to know himself, has failed completely to know the Place!" [Gospel of Thomas Saying 67]

The truth is within you, not in those pages of paper.

[DaneStolthed]

@funglip As I said, the god you speak of is not found in the Bible.

You said, "The truth is within you," don't you think that's a bit arbitrary?

So according to you, all truth is decided upon the individual?

Truth is not found from within an individual it is to be sought out, why do you think we have institutions of learning?

Why are you trying to redefine who God is through postmodern though?

As long as we're quoting Jesus, He said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Life" John 14:6.

[funglip]

@DaneStolthed When you learn, you're learning though your own intellect; you cannot understand something that exceed your capacity of comprehension.

All realizations of truth is depended on the individual to sought out within oneself.

As Jesus said, he's the way, the truth, and the life. There, he said it quite clearly, about pure existence (the life). So God = Truth = Life (pure existence). Jesus exists within everything as life itself.

Nothing that Jesus said contradict what I said.

[crystalballer7983]

@funglip Um, dude, you DID NOT read the Bible, because EVERYTHING that Jesus said CONTRADICTS what you said! Jesus said to WATCH OUT for people like you! He said that people like you are either STRONGLY DECIEVED or OUTRIGHTEVIL! He called ppl like you "false prophets" OR WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING! You have a sweet, tender message but it leads to enternal damnation. If we are "GODS" then why is this planet such a mess? Jesus contradicted EVERYTHING you stand for. Praise Jehovah

[funglip]

@crystalballer7983 Give me a verse said by Jesus that contradicts what I said.

[JohnnyLeeW1]

@funglip "I Am the Way,the truth and the Life,whosoever believeth in Me shall not perish but have eternal life."

"None come to the Father,except through Me." WE are separated from God for our sins. We can be One in Christ when we repent,through baptism,through accepting Christ as our personal Savior. Does Neale say any of that ?? I don't think so. I read all of his books.

[funglip]

@JohnnyLeeW1 Are you telling me that everyone who died before Jesus's time went to hell?

Do you know what Jesus is behind the name?

[JohnnyLeeW1]

@funglip I am not telling you any thing of that kind. I am warning you all of false prophets,however. Do you believe in Neale or Christ ?

[funglip]

@JohnnyLeeW1 The truth remains to be true regardless of who says it. In my eyes, they both speak the truth.

[terr547]

@crystalballer7983 You foolish person... Look within yourself. Does he represent one thing? One thing and one thing only is all that you need see and understand: does he represent love?

You have some serious spiritual evolution to undergo if you think THIS MAN is a demon, or deceived...

[oliviasade24]

@DaneStolthed

So, Jesus can be God who is called the son of God, but we - as children of God can not be God as well, one and the same? Jesus called us...humanity his brethren (brothers). Jesus was an example just like many other greats who lived among us to show us the way to heaven on earth. We - humanity are heaven. Think of it like this, you take a mirror, a huge mirror and break it into pieces - is it not still the same mirror, just individualized?

[vincentsedubun]

@DaneStolthed Prt2

So the baby is at least born from the mother and the father, but would that make the father and mother set apart from the baby? Surely, the parents can have complete control over the child if they chooses to, or they don't need to. Because the baby has free will, just like you replied. One day the baby will too grants its own child the same choice, but until that time, the baby will stay and remain close to the parents forever.

[vincentsedubun]

@DaneStolthed Prt4

I really must add, i am grateful for your serious and honest replies, that i am thankful for. Do not misunderstood me, i am not mocking or startling, making fun of, there are many other things to put those efforts into, but not here.

Because, you acknowledged God is Holy, and maybe you mean God is Unique too, then i say,

So are you.

[oliviasade24]

@DaneStolthed

Christ used his human mind, common sense AND the spiritual powers of the world to reach ascension. Research it honey...he traveled far and wide to gain knowledge throughout india and china. He is written throughout their history over there in ancient scribes. Jesus didn't just sit on a rock in jerusalem and pray or fast..he experienced life, different cultures and beliefs to find himself and the real God. Not everything is written in the bible. Do not be afraid to be one w/ God

[smartkropp]

Så sant som det är sagt

[monstarmatt]

amazing cant believe i have nevere heard of this guy!

[fabledreamor]

Now, I know why I prefer taking stairs over elevator.

[itasa100]

What a wonderful video. It made me laugh and smile. Beautiful, just beautiful, I could feel the love in my soul. Thank you Neale, and thank you God for giving this man the clarity, to hear and share your message.

[DUCOSNOCE]

@itasa100 ... YEP, I SECOND, TRIPLE, QUADRUPPLE EVEN MULTIPLY THAT EMOTION : )

WELCOME TO REAL LIFE AND THE REAL GOD!