Beautiful Ippon! Ahhhh the beauty of Judo! It may look like this throw or that throw but you hear the TV announcer say Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi and then the offical announcement to the arena audience say Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi!
there is text book classic, and there is competition...i certainly did not see a propped ankle...i saw a blocked knee...not to obsess on...there is the classic closed bodies tai otoshi, and then there is the much faster hook from a distance (still gets counted)...as far as sasai being a throw reserved to shorter players, geesink was a giant and he used it incessantly..whatever it "was", it was beautiful to watch and obviously unstoppable.
My favorite throw! He is one of the best I have ever seen.
I would have loved to randori with him 20-30, years ago. Even when I was 40 years old I did this throw in competition with success. I guess you got to have the right build for it, low center of gravity etc...
Sasae-tsuri-komi-ashi ? Non, décidément, plus j'y pense et plus je revois la vidéo, et moins j'y crois. L'adversaire n'est pas "pêché" (tsuri) mais bien déséquilibré vers l'avant, et c'est bien le pied sur le GENOU (hiza) qui l'empêche de retrouver son équilibre. Sur le Sasae, c'est LE PIED qui aurait été bloqué.
D'emblée je dirais Hiza-guruma ! Le pied est un peu en dehors, mais techniquement c'est bien au niveau du genou que l'adversaire est bloqué. Hiza-guruma : "Roue autour du genou".
Je n'ai pas lu tous les commentaires car tout est en anglais et pas toujours très limpide, mais le débat tourne clairement autour du Sasae-tsuri-komi-ashi, de l'Hiza-guruma, et de l'Harai-tsuri-komi-ashi.
Voici mon avis :
L'Harai-tsuri-komi-ashi je l'élimine tout de suite : il n'y a aucun balayage (harai), il s'agit bien d'un blocage. Qui plus est le balayage se fait au niveau des pieds, là on est sur le genou.
In this video, the foot blocking is on the advanced leg (maybe a bit high on the leg here) & it's a "vertical" throw (vertical axis), so clearly the Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi definition.
For Hiza Guruma, the knee blocking is on the rear leg & it's a "horizontal" throw (horizontal axis).
There is no doubt : It's clearly a beautiful Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi!
(please forgive me for my bad Enflish, I come from Belgium)
how bout we stop fussing about what exact throw he used, and focus on how well a big boy like that can move, i mean man, that was quick and fluid and pretty to look at.
Hiza guruma indeed is a knee block and sasae is just above the ankle. But the second difference is that with hiza guruma you dont have the opponent as close to you as by sasae. With sasae you pull the guy towards you and hold him close to you. And thats excactly what he did. So sasae, and beautiful performed.
are people dead ass having long ass battles over a throw....long story short..SHIT DONT ALWAYS COME OUT TEXT BOOK IN TOURNAMENT..case..CLOSED.. NICE THROW
This is a simple yet very effective Hiza Guruma. I laugh when people tell me it never works against high ranks, it works alright, if you know what you are doing.
Ha! Some people just can't handle dialogue. To put it simply, Sasae is where the foot or lower leg props the ankle or lower shin as you excecute the tech. Hiza is similar but your foot or lower leg blocks the knee (generally). If you look carefully at Muneta executing the throw you'll see that his leg is definetely in contact with the opponents knee area, thus, in my mind, this makes it Hiza guruma. What do you think?
Textbook sasae tsurikomi ashi, as evidenced by the lifting and propping. The commentators seem to agree. Lacks the distinct "wheeling" motion inherent to hiza guruma. Gorgeous throw.
Look up your favorite judo book on basic judo techniques, and you'll prove yourself wrong. Most if not all throws have a wheel-like action, both Sasae and Hiza have a propping / lifting action, and we all know that techniques applied in competition must often be modified in response to the opponents reactions in resisting the attack. Continued next comment....
There is more to hiza guruma vs. sasae than the mere placement of the foot. The height differential between the 2 fighters keeps Muneta's foot from actually reaching the other man's ankle, although his kuzushi is distinctly "tsurikomi." Hiza guruma does not prop or lift; it whirls. By your argument, harai goshi and o-guruma would be indistinguishable from each other because they both "kind of / sort of" put tori's thigh outside uke's hip.
There is always more to everything you do, but the fundamental difference, in this case, is the placement of Muneta's leg. Muneta attacked the knee/hiza and fliped his opponent over his leg in a large wheel action / guruma. Thus - Hiza Guruma. None of the little extra actions make any difference to the main intent. ;))
This is nothing less then a good old fashion Hiza-Guruma with some modifications to get the best result - Ippon. The commentators, who are they? what do they know? At the time no-one could see what the throw was precisely, its done in a blink of an eye, so I wouldn't take their word for it at all. Anyway, in the end who cares? Muneta did a magical throw, a performance that everyone should aspire to. Athletes like Muneta make judo one of the greatest martial arts and sports in the world.
It's clearly sasae tsurikomi ashi, uke's foot is planted, you can't sweep a grounded foot as in harai tsurikomi ashi, the ankle is blocked and uke is tripped over tori's advanced leg.
The Technique is Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi. Harai Tsurikomi Ashi lands your Opponent in front of you. There is no Wheel or Circle action for this to be Hiza Guruma. It's a Right Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi from a Left Sided Grip.
Whatever you want to call it, it was perfect. What an awesome throw! It's competition; it's rare that you will get a perfectly performed textbook throw.
Maybe not in the United States. Sorry to say. Our judo is really bad compared to the level of judo in Japan. Well, at least we have baketball. Oh wait. Baseball. Uhh. Badminton?
This is from the 2008 All Japan (open); Muneta vs. Yoda. It's not from the national championships 100kg. The technique is definitely Hari Tsurikumi Ashi not Sasai as the commentator said it's a very close guess though.
It is Sasae, since Muneta's left leg is supporting (sasae) Shoda's right leg and Shoda flies over it. If it's Harai, then you should see Muneta's left leg make sweeping (harai) motion at 1:09 and Shoda should have thrown as his leg swept to the rear.
It's Harai because of the throws concept Sasai is to prop the leg (trap) as if someone is moving forward and you trip him by blocking. You are probably looking at the throw from the front of the screen if you see Muneta sweeping to the side a bit then entering into the Ura_nage motion. So the concept is a sweep not a prop! The sweeping foot position doesn't matter as some had eluded that it could be Hiza since it's so high.
Having said all of that, it could be a Sasai!! It's really hard to tell...Even Though I was there in person and saw this throw. It's a great throw regardless. If you are going by the commentator's announcement that it is a Sasai just remember he is from NHK (with experience of covering such events) not a Judoka
I agree. It clearly is a knee attack even though the foot does not do the sweeping. Almost like an uki waza leg, without the sacrifice, and a hiza guruma kuzushi and leg positioning.
OK let's not let this degenerate into name calling and insults. It is a bit funny, but quite what does it contribute to this video. OK so he is not the modern 6' 4" lean athelte. But what he did took training, timing, skill, commitment, power, flexibility and not a little thought.
doesn't that deserve a bit of admiration and respect
He leans on his opponent, causing his opponent to lean forwards, and then uses that to explode into the technique, which also has an element of ura nage in it. No wonder his opponent lay on the mat so long. What a dynamic throw.
Lindo.... Perfect
allison2049 1 month ago
beautiful
masterchief9064 1 month ago
fucking great beautiful ippon!!!!!!
djfoca 1 month ago
Hiza -Guruma
aripekka1234 2 months ago
Sheer brilliance. An outstandingly executed throw.
makikomi 2 months ago
Beautiful Ippon! Ahhhh the beauty of Judo! It may look like this throw or that throw but you hear the TV announcer say Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi and then the offical announcement to the arena audience say Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi!
Japanesejudo 3 months ago
looks a lot of like hiza-guruma.., still great trow.. nice kuzuzi
tonska77 3 months ago
THAT WAS A BEAUTY
remoray229 3 months ago
Omg,almost the same i did on my m8 :D
BeatKidR 4 months ago
Absolutely superb technique and control. A top quality ippon.
makikomi 6 months ago 7
Beautiful sasae tsuri komi ashi!
Not hiza guruma, it's too close, hg requires wheeling and space between chests!
Not harai tsuri komi ashi, it's propped! Not swept!!
Not de ashi barai, obvious reasons!
chchjudoschool 6 months ago
Hiza guruma has distance and wheeling
This is beautiful sasae tsuri Komi ashi
Prop might be near knee but action is like sasae not any other ( including harai tsuri Komi ashi)
chchjudoschool 6 months ago
Baby face at 1:20 :DD cool throw though
rafjustboredagain 6 months ago
本当に素晴らしいですよ。とてもきれいでしたなぁ。うまくてすごいはね。
HovanskyDmitry 7 months ago 2
Wow that was so quick!!
sparkeones 7 months ago
This is an Hiza-guruma to be precise, because he stops Ukes leg over his knee and not under it. under the knee it would be Sasae-tsuri-komi-ashi
tobiasdobberphul 8 months ago
FAN-fuckin-TASTIC!
mjantube 8 months ago
Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi this is a difficult shot, but it is deadly
TheDrukarz1990 10 months ago
Deashibarai.
yasumi07 1 year ago
This goes on my fav list
IMA60SKID 1 year ago
there is text book classic, and there is competition...i certainly did not see a propped ankle...i saw a blocked knee...not to obsess on...there is the classic closed bodies tai otoshi, and then there is the much faster hook from a distance (still gets counted)...as far as sasai being a throw reserved to shorter players, geesink was a giant and he used it incessantly..whatever it "was", it was beautiful to watch and obviously unstoppable.
GusCollias 1 year ago
when was the funeral for the guy who got thrown??? anybody know?
wtfasiankid8o8 1 year ago
The purest Ippon I think I´ve seen
WildWilde 1 year ago
Kinsa xD
ichhalt1703 1 year ago
beautiful....left grip...but his left hand was at waist....puts him at disadvantage....but the execution....poetry
yojimbo821 1 year ago
Ippon!
matkrassus 1 year ago
Unbelievable...look at the force of the throw...
dtyp33 1 year ago
Absolutely Brilliant !!!
chinky4747 1 year ago
That was BEAUTIFUL.
ooogooman 1 year ago
My favorite throw! He is one of the best I have ever seen.
I would have loved to randori with him 20-30, years ago. Even when I was 40 years old I did this throw in competition with success. I guess you got to have the right build for it, low center of gravity etc...
judomagyar 1 year ago
He clearly props the knee and not the ankle.
FartJokeResearchLabs 1 year ago
@FartJokeResearchLabs Not the point. It is not hiza guruma.
JohnColt 1 year ago
Very beautiful throw.
7c9ND2el 1 year ago
Text Book.
IMA60SKID 1 year ago
Mon comm' apparait en 4 parties, qui elles-mêmes apparaissent par ordre NON-chronologique. Lire celle qui est le plus bas en premier.
Ornicar007 1 year ago
(suite et fin)
Pour moi le commentateur adjuge trop hâtivement.
Conclusion : HIZA-GURUMA !
Qui dit mieux ? (heu... en français...)
A part ça, la technique, quelle qu'elle soit, est tout proprement magnifiquement effectuée !!
Ornicar007 1 year ago
Sasae-tsuri-komi-ashi ? Non, décidément, plus j'y pense et plus je revois la vidéo, et moins j'y crois. L'adversaire n'est pas "pêché" (tsuri) mais bien déséquilibré vers l'avant, et c'est bien le pied sur le GENOU (hiza) qui l'empêche de retrouver son équilibre. Sur le Sasae, c'est LE PIED qui aurait été bloqué.
(bientôt la fin de mon comm)
Ornicar007 1 year ago
D'emblée je dirais Hiza-guruma ! Le pied est un peu en dehors, mais techniquement c'est bien au niveau du genou que l'adversaire est bloqué. Hiza-guruma : "Roue autour du genou".
(suite encore après, pour les mêmes raisons)
Ornicar007 1 year ago
Je n'ai pas lu tous les commentaires car tout est en anglais et pas toujours très limpide, mais le débat tourne clairement autour du Sasae-tsuri-komi-ashi, de l'Hiza-guruma, et de l'Harai-tsuri-komi-ashi.
Voici mon avis :
L'Harai-tsuri-komi-ashi je l'élimine tout de suite : il n'y a aucun balayage (harai), il s'agit bien d'un blocage. Qui plus est le balayage se fait au niveau des pieds, là on est sur le genou.
(suite juste après, j'ai trop de caractères)
Ornicar007 1 year ago
Браво !!
radkobg 1 year ago
In this video, the foot blocking is on the advanced leg (maybe a bit high on the leg here) & it's a "vertical" throw (vertical axis), so clearly the Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi definition.
For Hiza Guruma, the knee blocking is on the rear leg & it's a "horizontal" throw (horizontal axis).
There is no doubt : It's clearly a beautiful Sasae Tsuri Komi Ashi!
(please forgive me for my bad Enflish, I come from Belgium)
GyzmOrphose 1 year ago
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GyzmOrphose 1 year ago
Man, great footwork! A classic maneuver!
demohr777 1 year ago
i saw another video of this, from the different view it looks more like a Hiza Garuma than sasae. what does everyone think?
wsrpotg 2 years ago
the fact that his leg was straightened and the turn was over the tori's same hip clearly is a sasai tsuri komi ashi.
lve4lvn2 2 years ago
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Looked more like the fat fuck did a sacrifice. A knee block as he threw his weight backwards... Go fat.
BuckMuscles 2 years ago
@BuckMuscles sacrifice? Sorry but that is fucking crazy. he loaded the guy, rotated and dropped him.
That fat guy would wreck you.
Godsmasher22 1 year ago 3
It´s HIZA GURUMA, I think...
gabymarlon 2 years ago
AND LOOK HOW HAPPY HE IS LOL
iBogaStylez 2 years ago
SUPER!
InnovationHero 2 years ago
how bout we stop fussing about what exact throw he used, and focus on how well a big boy like that can move, i mean man, that was quick and fluid and pretty to look at.
kretzmoney 2 years ago 29
@kretzmoney
And painful! Ouch!!
chillout010 1 year ago
@kretzmoney Well Said!
laurelridgerods 1 year ago
Howcome this is not Hiza Guruma ?
Sorry i'm new to judo..
bigfatdick5000 2 years ago
Hiza guruma is a knee-block
Saesae is just above the ankle
But let's face it, in a competition it's virtually indistinguishable and the general technique is the same.
That's why I don't understand why people are fussing about what exactly it is, why not spend time practising the technique itself >.>
bla7091 2 years ago 2
hiza guruma is that knee barrow ur talking about? thats sasai.. bro
mdol88 2 years ago
Bla791 is partly correct i think.
Hiza guruma indeed is a knee block and sasae is just above the ankle. But the second difference is that with hiza guruma you dont have the opponent as close to you as by sasae. With sasae you pull the guy towards you and hold him close to you. And thats excactly what he did. So sasae, and beautiful performed.
misterjorn 2 years ago
harai tsuri komi ashi!!!!
com certeza
rodrigocajuh 2 years ago
are people dead ass having long ass battles over a throw....long story short..SHIT DONT ALWAYS COME OUT TEXT BOOK IN TOURNAMENT..case..CLOSED.. NICE THROW
HardymarkTheKid 2 years ago
that was a harai tsuri komi ashi
abranches1 2 years ago
IMO in combat it's not about where your foot is, but what your arms are doing. He is not wheeling, I don't think, so it is not guruma.
DeepClue 2 years ago
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DragonOne1 2 years ago
Perfect move.
Fwingchun 2 years ago
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pelfinho 2 years ago
This is a simple yet very effective Hiza Guruma. I laugh when people tell me it never works against high ranks, it works alright, if you know what you are doing.
SirNickettyNox 2 years ago
u mean sasae tsuri komi ashi?
Good1Embiko 2 years ago
No, I mean the humble Hiza guruma ( Knee Wheel ).
SirNickettyNox 2 years ago
well i doubt its hiza guruma in the video
it really looks like sasae tsuri komi ashi (my opinion)
so dont start swearing or threatening like the other youtubers lol
Good1Embiko 2 years ago
Ha! Some people just can't handle dialogue. To put it simply, Sasae is where the foot or lower leg props the ankle or lower shin as you excecute the tech. Hiza is similar but your foot or lower leg blocks the knee (generally). If you look carefully at Muneta executing the throw you'll see that his leg is definetely in contact with the opponents knee area, thus, in my mind, this makes it Hiza guruma. What do you think?
SirNickettyNox 2 years ago
Textbook sasae tsurikomi ashi, as evidenced by the lifting and propping. The commentators seem to agree. Lacks the distinct "wheeling" motion inherent to hiza guruma. Gorgeous throw.
squooge 2 years ago 2
Look up your favorite judo book on basic judo techniques, and you'll prove yourself wrong. Most if not all throws have a wheel-like action, both Sasae and Hiza have a propping / lifting action, and we all know that techniques applied in competition must often be modified in response to the opponents reactions in resisting the attack. Continued next comment....
SirNickettyNox 2 years ago
There is more to hiza guruma vs. sasae than the mere placement of the foot. The height differential between the 2 fighters keeps Muneta's foot from actually reaching the other man's ankle, although his kuzushi is distinctly "tsurikomi." Hiza guruma does not prop or lift; it whirls. By your argument, harai goshi and o-guruma would be indistinguishable from each other because they both "kind of / sort of" put tori's thigh outside uke's hip.
squooge 2 years ago
There is always more to everything you do, but the fundamental difference, in this case, is the placement of Muneta's leg. Muneta attacked the knee/hiza and fliped his opponent over his leg in a large wheel action / guruma. Thus - Hiza Guruma. None of the little extra actions make any difference to the main intent. ;))
SirNickettyNox 2 years ago
This is nothing less then a good old fashion Hiza-Guruma with some modifications to get the best result - Ippon. The commentators, who are they? what do they know? At the time no-one could see what the throw was precisely, its done in a blink of an eye, so I wouldn't take their word for it at all. Anyway, in the end who cares? Muneta did a magical throw, a performance that everyone should aspire to. Athletes like Muneta make judo one of the greatest martial arts and sports in the world.
SirNickettyNox 2 years ago
Niiice.
dturtleman 2 years ago
Muneta Rulessssss!!!!
juan83ar 2 years ago
It's clearly sasae tsurikomi ashi, uke's foot is planted, you can't sweep a grounded foot as in harai tsurikomi ashi, the ankle is blocked and uke is tripped over tori's advanced leg.
tommyrm 2 years ago
The Technique is Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi. Harai Tsurikomi Ashi lands your Opponent in front of you. There is no Wheel or Circle action for this to be Hiza Guruma. It's a Right Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi from a Left Sided Grip.
Mdrnsamurai 2 years ago 8
@Mdrnsamurai i think you are confused, that is a textbook Harai Tsurikomi Ashi.
Myself0101 9 months ago
Whatever you want to call it, it was perfect. What an awesome throw! It's competition; it's rare that you will get a perfectly performed textbook throw.
gimli2175 2 years ago
Maybe not in the United States. Sorry to say. Our judo is really bad compared to the level of judo in Japan. Well, at least we have baketball. Oh wait. Baseball. Uhh. Badminton?
5509831 2 years ago
definately a harai tsuri komi ashi.
TheRealErevos 2 years ago
This is from the 2008 All Japan (open); Muneta vs. Yoda. It's not from the national championships 100kg. The technique is definitely Hari Tsurikumi Ashi not Sasai as the commentator said it's a very close guess though.
judoka1 3 years ago
It is Sasae, since Muneta's left leg is supporting (sasae) Shoda's right leg and Shoda flies over it. If it's Harai, then you should see Muneta's left leg make sweeping (harai) motion at 1:09 and Shoda should have thrown as his leg swept to the rear.
oldneK 2 years ago
It's Harai because of the throws concept Sasai is to prop the leg (trap) as if someone is moving forward and you trip him by blocking. You are probably looking at the throw from the front of the screen if you see Muneta sweeping to the side a bit then entering into the Ura_nage motion. So the concept is a sweep not a prop! The sweeping foot position doesn't matter as some had eluded that it could be Hiza since it's so high.
judoka1 2 years ago
Having said all of that, it could be a Sasai!! It's really hard to tell...Even Though I was there in person and saw this throw. It's a great throw regardless. If you are going by the commentator's announcement that it is a Sasai just remember he is from NHK (with experience of covering such events) not a Judoka
judoka1 2 years ago
it's Hiza Guruma...very high for Sassae...
rodrigosommerhalder 3 years ago
I agree. It clearly is a knee attack even though the foot does not do the sweeping. Almost like an uki waza leg, without the sacrifice, and a hiza guruma kuzushi and leg positioning.
minutedude 2 years ago
best sasae i've ever seen... great :).. this is a guy who really knows what judo is
imaginegravity90 3 years ago
Harai Tsurikomi Ashi Porque ele usa muito o quadril(koshi)
loshfs 3 years ago
buddah? xD
karalh0 3 years ago
vc deve ser são paulino.. gay bambi
loshfs 3 years ago
OK let's not let this degenerate into name calling and insults. It is a bit funny, but quite what does it contribute to this video. OK so he is not the modern 6' 4" lean athelte. But what he did took training, timing, skill, commitment, power, flexibility and not a little thought.
doesn't that deserve a bit of admiration and respect
JudoRacky 3 years ago
sure! Thats y i called him buddah, it was a god's move. Awesome! 5/5
karalh0 3 years ago
He leans on his opponent, causing his opponent to lean forwards, and then uses that to explode into the technique, which also has an element of ura nage in it. No wonder his opponent lay on the mat so long. What a dynamic throw.
JudoRacky 3 years ago
1:14 Look at the old guy in the front row haha he really loved it too
bictaa 3 years ago
I think the commentator is authentic.
He said, sasae tsurikomi ashi.
judohun 3 years ago
I agree.
juottavi 3 years ago
hiza guruma i think
Jcarrok 3 years ago
It could be a mix between sasae, hiza guruma, harai tsurikomi ashi. Impressive.
juottavi 3 years ago
Wow... that was ridiculous.
tokenshi 3 years ago
Damn, that was really slick :)
reborngoat 3 years ago
He made that look so effotless lol.
Awsome Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi.
zerousjake 3 years ago