Yes you are right! The next thing, they will kill all those who cannot reason. The pro-choice people are evil. Abortion is murder! We live in an insane world. In Canada a man killed his two children and he got away with it. Children are no longer a blessing! The baby is a humain being!
LOL, this was hilarious! A godless society shows as a sign of infanticide? Ever read the bibles? The abrahamic god kills children, and the unborn freaquently. If anything infanticide is godly.
I was once blind but now I see...that the hype that abortion is a "solution" to a "problem", is all just a big fat, monstrous, lie. The media and feminists, who are the modern day sexist pigs, will say and do anything to convince women and others that an unborn baby is inferior and is invasive.
how about this for hypocrisy....on one hand our government and military will go overseas ,invade,overthrow and force them to convert due to their unruly evil and yet we protect our borders so that we can legally kill babies in abortion clinics..its liike a judge who is a raving alcholic who drives drunk convicting another drunk driver for the same crime he is never punished for...if abotion is not abolished things will only get worse....its biblical,,,its gauranteed..
1) Infanticide is different to abortion. Abortion is removing a fetus, it would have to be an infant in order for it to be infanticide.
2) What's wrong with a godless society? and what the fuck are you doing to help anyone? as a very proud atheist, who apparently has no morals, i went to Africa this year to help orphans and deprived children. Most of these children's parents died due to AIDS. are you anti contraception too? you're so fucking ignorant
@garyzenuf Well at least give these babies a chance to grow up! and where the hell are their rights...its not an argument,.. this is about allowing our generation to slaughter the NEXT!!! and anyone who says otherwise is a gutless wonder...funny how all the people that are for abortion had their chance at life...selfish bastards!
We are robbing the next generation of GREATNESS!...who knows if those babies had of lived, and had the chance to grow up, could have discovered the cure for aids or cancer or some other great discovery!...wow how sad that we choose to take the easy way out. OUR SOCIETY HAS BECOME COLD HEARTLESS AND SELFISH! lets save these babies and help these mums, find other alternatives! i dont blame the mums, its the government i blame! weak gutless bastards they are, no back bone! and aint that the truth
You're an idiot! By your logic we should all be vegetarians, or maybe we shouldn't eat. Why? Because the animals and plants we consume won't have the potential to live good lives. Yeah, I know it's retarded, but that's what believing in a space daddy does to you. I think that women should ideally have the baby, but there are plenty of situations where you, nor anyone else has the right to tell a women what to do.
Also, you say there are plenty of situations where you have no right to tell a woman what to do (I assume you mean rape, incest, etc.).
On the other hand, do you think there are situations where we do have the right to say abortion is wrong? (i.e. a woman simply made the mistake of getting pregnant and doesn't want to live with her mistake)
Building at this last comment i see on the top here. Did you ever think some babies are better off dead before being born? Theoretically: crack head gets raped. shes addicted to crack cocaine, she is not capable of having that baby. she WILL kill it, sell it, or it will have such a horrible life he/she will kill themselves or grow up to kill others. My mother is a NICU nurse and she doesnt understand why she must torture babies with treatments that will only postpone a certain uncureable death.
Building at this last comment i see on the top here. Did you ever think some babies are better off dead before being born? Theoretically: crack head gets raped. shes addicted to crack cocaine, she is not capable of having that baby. she WILL kill it, sell it, or it will have such a horrible life he/she will kill themselves or grow up to kill others. My mother is a NICU nurse and she doesnt understand why she must torture babies with treatments that will only postpone a certain uncureable death.
ok up to about the third minute, you start speaking for the pro-choicers. Speak for yourself buddy. I don't know what pro-choicer you heard those arguments from, but they obviously don't seem to be credible people. And it is even more insane and ignorant if you find that there is no difference between shooting a randmo person in the face out of cold blood for no reason at all, and aborting a fetus!
@TheGreatRL says: I don't know what pro-choicer you heard those arguments from
~~~~~~~~~~~~ he didnt hear it from anyone...he made it up. prolifers have no argument if they tell the truth. They HAVE to lie..hense, abortion is legal.
it will never love, it will never make friends. Yes very true, but it will never hate and never make enemies either. And when you take an unwanted baby and watch it grow up. Those odds are in that favor.
@TheGreatRL Yes, let's cleanse the world of the unwanted babies because they might grow up to have the same flaws everyone else has. I was an unwanted baby but my mom didn't abort me, I'm sorry to be here to ruin your "wanted" persons world.
@adiosucks123 I'm not saying that is what we should do. I'm saying that is what is gonna happen. Its a counterargument to the pro fetus world that thinks every aborted fetus was gonna grow up and live a beautiful life. Good job assuming i'm pro abortion just because i'm pro choice.
@TheGreatRL I don't put "what ifs" to the babies that were aborted and I don't fool myself with the idea that they would live a perfect life but it's nobody elses right to make it so that they don't have a chance to live their lives and make with it what they can.
@adiosucks123 If that fetus is part of the woman (which it is) she has that right to make that decision whether or not she wants to be a mother. When the fetus is born and becomes its own separate human, then she no longer has a say in the matter. Its none of your business as well as none of mine.
@TheGreatRL It is a person, just because a woman doesn't want responsibility doesn't give her the right to kill. (and this isn't coming from a sexist conservative christian btw, I'm a feminist communist atheist) I just don't see how you could really say that it is justified.
@adiosucks123 A fetus is not a person. It is a parasite that has the potential to become a human. A fetus MUST rely on the carrying woman for survival, wheareas a baby can be taken care of by anyone. Technically it is independant because anyone is able to take care of the baby. Technically a fetus is DEPENDANT because it must be taken care of by the woman who is pregnant. This is very relevant when discussing abortion. And I was never ready to accuse you of being a sexist conservative christian.
@adiosucks123 I'm all in favor of giving people on life support the choice to voluntary euthanize themselves (given very strict circumstances) but what about retarded children? I don't get that part.
@TheGreatRL I agree with the right to plug the plug on yourself also. With retarded children I'm saying that there is no possible way for a lot of them to be independent at all in, they will always be someone else's "problem" or burden. I have a retarded step-sister and I can tell that she will never been an independent person.
@adiosucks123 I had a feeling you would get the wrong idea when I said "independant" even though I described it twice. When I say indepenant, I mean they are their own individual human. A retarded person can be taken care of by ANYONE. Not just the pregnant woman, as that is the case with a fetus.
@TheGreatRL I get what you are trying to say but there is more to it than just the phyiscal seperation of the 2. When in the mother the child is connect through the cord for nutrients, that doesn't mean its only 1 person. That's almost (though not exactly) like saying that siamese twins are only 1 person because they are not seperated from each other.
@TheGreatRL How is the fetus a parasite?? It is part of the same species and it doesn`t invade te mother. Also why do the dependent noit have rights that seems really like the right of the strong the dependent deserve care not murder and it is only feeding on the mother cause the mother created it!!!!!!!!
When an independent doctor who has no financial stake in whether or not that abortion is performed can clearly state in his/her expert medical opinion that the mother would likely not survive if she had to carry the pregnancy to term
Mental duress is not an excuse to kill. Suicide can be prevented. The standard must be the same as it is for self defense--you must be reasonably certain that you will BE killed if you don't kill
When these pro-lifers become victims of rape, carry a fetus for 9 months, experience their first labor pains, while raising a few children by themselves with a minimum wage income, then i'll be more than happy to hear what they have to say about abortion. Send the fetus to heaven early and spare it of any chances to screw up their lives because it is more likely that the fetus will not grow up Ghandi-esque.
In a perfect world, every fetus grows up to be a doctor, or a lawyer, making 100k a year, married with kids. Unfortunately, this isn't disneyland. And when a woman even CONSIDERS abortion, she is most likely not a fit parent. Therefore, the child will most likely grow up with no parents or a deadbeat parent and live a very difficult and painful life. To force that pain, guilt, and suffering on a woman, (and the man) is even more ignorant.
I didn't have a loving, welcome lifetime-movie-network childhood. My life sucked. My grades were below average, my father was abusive, my mother was crippled and mentally ill since I was 11 and I took on the job of caring for her. I got pregnant at 14 right after a girl in my school got raped at 13 and became pregnant, and the pro-life monsters refused to let her abort, her own family refused to allow her to adopt because that was, like my own father screamed at me, 'throwing away family'. -c
No, instead of letting her abort or even con sider adoption, her family threatened her with being disowned unless she kept, raised, and cared for her rape-child. She threatened suicide unless she was allowed to abort(remember she was 13, lol) so they locked her up, and her sister confirmed it for all of us at school- she spent 9 months strapped to a table to protect her BABY because she hit herself in the stomach. She delivered strapped to a table, and she was forced to hold that child. -c
A couple kids thought it was wrong, and so did I- she wasn't allowed to give it up for adoption or anything. It was raise your rape-baby at 13, or get thrown out of your house.
She was bullied into raising an unwanted child she wasn't prepared for, and the last I heard of her, personally, she tried to stab her mother and ran away from home. I tell you that, to tell you THIS-
I got pregnant not long after, at 14. Consentual sex with some dumb guy at school, broken condom, ect..
And I had nowhere to run. I tell you the story about that girl because I told my parents, before I ever got pregnant, about her and what happened.
I told them I thought it was sick the way they treated her, strapped her, forced her to have a baby she didn't want, didn't deserve..
My dad screamed at me, hit me, backed me into a corner and even shook me because I supported HER choice, because I said I'd abort or adopt if it happened to me.. I got threatened, violently, with the same demise. -c
As bad as my homelife was, I knew then and still know now that foster care, child wards, state services can destroy and even kill a child.
I forced a miscarraige at 14 and almost killed myself to do it. i was ready to die to get away from ever being forced to raise a child I don't want, especially in the environment I grew up in.
I was beaten by my father, screamed at, for other things before. I've been hit in the face with a belt at 9.
I knew then that I was killing another person. I still know I killed a person, a child that came from me having sex with some guy for some jollies.
I don't care. I still don't regret it.
I was ready to die to get away from it all. I was ready to die in order to survive. And luckily, thanks to privacy laws, thanks to my own irregular period and hospitalizations from it before, noone but the doctors knew I miscarried/aborted.
Now, I live with my mother and my father is not around anymore. I'm her full-time nurse, I'm also a full-time nurse for other disabled and elderly clients.
I left school to apprentice and have the job I have now, the LIFE I have now. I'm well-paid. I'm loved and love others, I'm genuinely happy.
People want to say I don't know what might have happened- yeah? Ask any battered wife or child- do you REALLY know what will happen if you stand up to your abuser? Do you want to risk it?
So what you are basically saying is that you support the murder of children? Listen, what happened to you and your firend was horrible. Nobody deserves to have to go though what you had to go through with abusive family. And your friend's parents were wrong for what they did to her and not allowing her to give her baby up for adoption. But none of this is an excuse for you to kill your baby! You are trying to use the evil that happened to you in order to justify the evil act of taking a life
Taking a life is necessary sometimes- you want to look at the quantity of lives, not the quality of them.
Do you try to make it illegal for a rape victim to use lethal force to protect her? Do you deny her that right, both legally and morally? If not, why?
Rape is not murder.. it is only unpleasant.. but the effects it can have on a woman can be' according to many and supported by a few psychologists, worse than death. She has the right to kill to protect her livelihood. Abortion is the same.
wow you are really twisted. Yes sometimes taking a life is necessary such as in self defense if you are attacked. But taking the life of an innocent person in order to help yourself is never justified. You are comparing to completely different things here. Your baby was innocent in all of this. You killed your baby. you are a murderer. And you know this in your heart
I still survived, I'm still alive, happy, and not homeless.
Of course I know it, but I also know it was justified.
An innocent child the womb can't help his [predicament, but that doesn't change the fact that his existence could be either a blessing OR a curse, depending on the mother and the situation.
I still have nightmares, occasionally, about being strapped to a table and giving birth, having a screaming infant shoved into my arms, then becoming homeless on the street.
@OneTrueChurch Abortion is never necessary!! It is never needed!! If the mothers very life is threatened. If the mother will certainly die if she carries the baby to term> If the mother does not kill the baby, the baby will definetly kill her (as in self defens), every effort would be made to save both lives.The unborn living human being is a human, is alive and abortion kills a living human being!
@OneTrueChurch we do not have the right to decide for another person whether or not his life is worth living. such rationale still leads to the extreme . We euthanize animals because they do not make decisions for themselves, because they are lesser beings in our care. but human children are not lesser beings, and so the decision should be there's alone. granted, many do suffer abuse, but does common sense truly show that it is better to make a murderer's job easier?
@OneBy Ryddel's thought,should we not also kill the poor,the depressed, the children starving in Africa,or anyone else who suffers?After all,in OUR estimation their lives are not worth living,it's just too painful for them.Oh,they disagree?Well, they just aren't smart enough to know what's good for them! so shut down the soup kitchens and the humanitarian aid! let us take up arms and seek the suffering of the world, that we may release them from their valueless lives in a hale of gunfire!
A fetus has the potential to become a person, just as a person has the potential to become a pilot, a lawyer, or a police officer.. However, POTENTIAL is not the same thing as ACTUAL. So, just because a person has the potential to become any of those things, does not mean they actually ARE those things... it simply means that under the right circumstances they COULD BECOME them. It is not until they have actually become a pilot, lawyer, or police officer that we consider them such.
Take all your liberal baby killing bullshit and shove it up your ass. If you don't like the video, don't watch it. Go watch some videos of babies being aborted and women being happy about it. Oh wait, there aren't any of those are there?
athe: go watch some vids of babies being aborted & women happy about it. What does the abortion of a rice sized(when 97% of all abortions are done) embryolook like. I'll tell you want it looks like. If the contents of one of those abortions were layed on a table in front of you , you wouldnt know what it was..but, please keep believing that whole babies are are on the table all hacked up. The dumber you are the better for us!
onetrue: a fetus is not a potention person, is it a person. We define the word person in legal terms ONLY.
Black's Law Dictionary (7th Ed.) defines "person" as:
1. A human being.
2. An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born human beings Also, "human being" found in a law dictionary, and specifically found as a meaning of the word "person".
PLEASE...tell me why you can't tell the truth? I need to know what goes on in your minds.
@OneTrueChurch I think that guy just justified infanticide: a baby is much more like a fetus than an older child, afterall; and just as dependent on their mother. Some newborns, in the case of preemies, are less developed than some fetuses. The one common factor here is humanity. Defending abortion results in an arbitrary line between person and non-person; there can be no absolute basis to pro-abortion thinking. Well... other than the desire to justify killing the "inconvenient", of course.
@horsie111 Is a newborn inside of someone else, or can it be adopted? Is it on a human-life-support? No? Then killing a born child is absolutely rediculous.
@OneTrueChurch How is a society godless for promoting infanticide? Do you realize how much infanticide the abrahamic god commits, and orders his people to? If you claim aborting a child is evil, than likewise you must be calling your god evil, or your allowing its hypocrisy.
Saying that a fetus (latin for little one) has the "potential" to "become" a person....Is also say that they have the "potential to become" something else...The unborn are people...they are people in the earliest stages of their life. Be it the 1st stage or the last a human being is a human being & cannot "become" anything else. Moreover abortion is NOT a choice. The child doesnt get a choice.....cont.
@DaedalEVE geez a baby that is born, has the potential to grow up and become an adult? why the heck why dont we just shoot them? your LOGIC IS BOODY STUPID AND BARBARIC ,,,Geez i dont believe that there are so many dicheads like u on planet earth... ABORTION IS MURDER!
I take it you've never heard the expression "don't count your chickens before they hatch", have you? Well the same rule applies to pregnancy.
If "potential" actually meant a damn thing, then I and everyone else who drives should be locked up, because we all have the potential to murder people with our cars.
You can't be a murdered unless you've killed a person... and you aren't considered a person until you are born.
Go save starving kids in Africa if you're so concerned.
@DaedalEVE u are really backward, but that comes with the territory when u have such an evil heart...which u have by the way!..its no use arguing with someone that has the same out look as a serial killer, and places absolutely no value on human life whatsoever!..ALL HUMAN LIFE IS PRECIOUS FROM CONCEPTION TO THE GRAVE!....and i would rather have emotion than be a cold hearted monster like u are!
The one who is "backwards" is you. You are trying to control the life, decisions, and rights of an adult, because you have some sort of hard-on for a collection of cells that aren't even sentient! And somehow, in your warped little mind, you think this makes you "noble" or "just"! What a fucking crock!
And oh yes, I am so cold and evil and such a monster. That's why I became a firefighter, went through the training, and put my own safety as rick to help others. I'm so evil, lol
@DaedalEVE oh wow, i am so sorry, i have insulted a firefighter!... ha ha, big bloody deal!, i couldnt care less if u were the Queen of england....who cares what u do, put your life at risk?????? what a pathetic weasle u are! just full of hot air and tooting your own horn.....and lets just add, that doesnt compensate for the slaughter of the innocent!...and yes u are evil!
You're an ideological nut job who would sacrifice the rights and free will of actual people (those who have been born, have social connections, are self aware, etc) for something that isn't even a person yet, isn't even formed, let alone been born.
And while you preach "life is sacred" this or that... the extremists among you actually commit homicide by killing doctors and bombing clinics full of people.
Oh and my "logic" makes perfect sense, seeing how it's based on both scientific fact and supported by real life application (ie: the way things actually work in the real world).
Your OPINION is based on nothing but emotional sentiment, and likely supported by nothing other than your religious beliefs and well wishing.
I live in reality. You live in a fantasy world. You can't even use your brain to think for yourself... you just let your emotions control you. Pathetic.
@DaedalEVE oh i see your always trying to bring God into it???????...also a GOD hater? geez u are the ultimate fool!....think u know it all, u are one serious loser...
Not at all... just a hater of mindless bible thumping hypocrites. But I see from your reaction that I was indeed correct in my assumption. Having faith is fine, but people who blindly follow religious teachings without question are zealots. It's people like that who cause holy crusades, witch hunts, inquisitions, fly planes into buildings, and start wars.
It's also people like that who think they can impose their own will on that of others, and claim it all in the name of God.
@DaedalEVE hey lets get the facts straight here! im not the one out to murder people! im for life, u are the freakin nutcase that has no respect or places no value whatsoever on human life....i am standing up for those who cant...U ARE A BIG MOUTH BULLY, WHO ADVOCATES THE SLAUGHTER OF BABIES!!!!!what a weak pathetic little man u are! ...u are a nobody who will go nowhere in life, cause u have such an EVIL heart!...and im not like u, ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS EVEN YOURS!
@DaedalEVE and its people like u that are killing off the next generation!... with no thought whatsoever to this slaughter....well done mr firefighter u really have a feather in your cap now dont u! ......wow well done killer!
@DaedalEVE Its funny how for so many years people always agreed they are humans growing inside taht 1 day will lead countries and do great things or just be another human to converse with. And then idiots like you showed up.
I'll pobably get voted down because of the numerous pro lifers on youtube, but a woman's prenancy is NONE of OUR business. So for all the women gettin abortions, tell everybody to Mind their own!
@XxShyneN09xX so,,,let me get this straight,,if your mom decided to pay someone to take your life and you scream for help,,i just need to remember that your in your mothers womb and what she does with her body is her choice,,i pray that you rebuke the demon of stupidity because i know in my heart you have just as much right to live as any 1 day to 9 month fetus.
america has been/will be a godless society, everyone was doing their dirt underground and now no one gives a fuck because life is too short to worry about other people judging you.
I can honestly say that I want you to go to fucking hell. You can take your little followers with you, because unlike you, I respect women and their choices with their bodies. It is nobody's right to go around preaching to people about abortions. God didn't send you to do tht, thanks. Do you wanna see another child in a garbage can? Without abortion we'd have a fucking garbage truck full of babies.
as a former SUPER pro-lifer i can assure you that the debate is about people disagreeing with your beliefs and self rightous condemnation
if anybody cared about the "dear little babies" then they would sacrifice for them like they would if their dad, brother, son, wife, or friends life was on the line.
would you trade valuable possesions like a car for them? would you trade your valuable possesions for the life of a dear little fetus?
Actually, many people do and have. I have an extended family of about 13 brothers and sisters. Only about 3 of them are my blood silings. My mother adopted the rest. And once I am able to. I will do the same. So just because you wont sacrfice for your fellow man, doesnt mean no one will.
i certainly admire and respect your noble decision on adoption, hell i don't think i even have it in me to ever have kids
but nah dude i am talking about the fetuses not the full term babies
people get all shitty over the dear little babies but they really don't care other than telling those little whores to keep their legs crossed. well at least most pro-life people use that rhetoric
this issue ISN'T black and white and its not easy for anybody involved and people need to consider that
Wouldn't the opposite of Pro-life be Pro-death? Doesn't Pro-choice actually just leave the decision upto the individual? Kind of like, oh I don't know, a middle ground?
Why don't focus on whether or not it's an emotional decision versus a logical decision. Now that would be interesting. And most recent studies have shown that even though people say they're being logical are really being emotional. So which response are you trying to go from? Because this sounds like emotional response.
You christian whackos just don't get it. Most of us normal people are pro-choice because christianity disgusts us. Because the pope disgusts us. Because 2000 years of christian injustice disgusts us. Because YOU, personally, disgust us.
Honestly, if you nutjob catholics did a limbo-esque aboutface and became pro-choice then I would become pro-life in a second.
YOU are the number one argument for pro-choice rights.
But I am being honest, and you are not. For all your attempts to justify your anti-abortion stance you are leaving out the one true reason... because the pope has told you so. If the pope changed his mind tomorrow and said abortion in the first two trimesters is ok with god you would follow suit without pause.
I'm not even sure why you bothered to make a video justifying your stance? Isn't a 3 second video all that is needed, "God says so"?
ok, first of all, there are a lot of people who are pro-life that aren't catholic heck there are even atheists that are pro-life.(see: godlessprolifers (dot) com). A person can tell from the natural law alone that abortion is wrong, just as they can with stealing, adultery, ect.
First of all "natural law" has nothing to do with it (for you). If your god told you to kill a child you would have to do it. Your god has made this clear already. So please stop pretending to practice thoughtful reasoning.
Secondly, "natural law" suggests a gelatanous blob of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 cells - so small you need a microscope to view it - is not a person. "Natural law" is not on your side.
Everyone is made of cells. You can either care or not care, simple as that. I guess they don't qualify as "persons" under your definition until they are old enough to adopt the liberal ideology. Right?
That's why the Democrats want to brainwash kindergarten age children into the party line.
Oh no! Think of all the billions of eggs and sperms that are never used! We must overpopulate the world at once, and let those children be unloved and unwanted!
Seriously, I don't care about eggs and sperms since they don't have any conciousness - neither do foetuses.
There Are Up To 36 Couples Waiting For Every One Baby Placed For Adoption.
~54,500 unrelated domestic adoptions occur each year. - 23,500 infant adoptions take place annually. ~16,000 international adoptions take place each year.
adoption(dot)org
thehelpline org
Yes. Some babies don't get adopted. Some grow up to become adults and as you say "grow out". Getting back on the issue:
Growing out is something aborted babies will never get to do.
Oh My God, another American extremist... I can't believe how many unrational people there are in America. Only seeing the "BIBLE-SIDE" of everything and NEVER the rational side. Its always "blablabla... the Lord says...". LAY OFF THE BOOZE, PEOPLE! Im a liberal christian with my eyes open for bullshit, and the bible has a lot of it. There are so many bible slaves out there. Im sure that if the bible said "kill your neighbor", you american extremists would do it because its the word of the Lord.
"But you can't give a Fetus up for adoption it's physically impossible, it would die."
You made the decision when you allowed an individual being to form inside of you. With 'choice' comes responsibilities. Just because you made the choice to have irresponsible sex doesn't make it right to destroy the truly innocent party of your 'choice'. Regardless, no one forced you to be an 'incubator' because no one forced you into pregnancy. That, my friend, was your choice.
"Yes this video is VERY logical. a bundle of zygotes is the SAME as a formed baby."
That's a straw man. Pro-lifers do not believe a 'bundle of zygotes' is the same as a formed baby. Consider-- biologically speaking, a 4 year old boy is not the same as a 40 year old man. The 4 year old is at its early stage of development while the 40 year old man is his middle stage.
"A group of cells without a nervous system? Sorry but I don't risk a woman's life for that."
How utterly disingenuous. An embryo is a distinct individual human being in its own right. The characteristic differences between you and an embryo doesn't make an embryo not a human being. I haven't put any woman's life at risk. Women take that risk when they have sex.
You actually don't have much knowledge about the development of fetus' do you?
To a certain point our fetus are essentially identical to other mammals. An embryo is NOT a distinct individual human being...Stop it already.
I love how you make this entirely the woman's fault. THEY are the ones who had sex, THEY are the ones who were raped, THEY were the ones who chose to be at a health risk if the baby is born but being forced to go through with it and die because of religious zealots like you...
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." [Lincoln]
"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race." [Bertrand Russell]
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." [Einstein]
"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations." ...
AND THAT'S YET ANOTHER ONE RIGHT OUT OF THE BALLPARK!
Nope, the entire debate with person-hood is complex, and you merely simplified it and pushed your version of it. By your rational, we should prohibit contraception because every time you're putting on a condom, you're preventing the possibility of a child from coming into this world and living like you and me. It's fine to be pro-life but you simply don't even acknowledge the weaknesses of your own position.
as a catholic, i do also believe that contraception is a mortal sin. But it isn't murder. Contraception prevents life, but abortion takes life and stops a beating heart.
Now, I'm not saying that you PERSONALLY believe this, but the REAL hypocrisy(in general), are the people(fakes) that support abortion, yet oppose the death penalty, on "the sanctity of human rights." So it's okay to murder a baby, but not ensure that a murderous psychopath won't harm or kill anyone else(which many "lifers" in prison STILL DO)? Then they say, "Well that baby will be disadvantaged, and brought up in a cruel world".. So, the solution is to deny them the chance AT ALL?!
This was a HALLMARK of EUGENICS(around the turn of the century)that the Nazi's studied, admired & implemented). Even good ole' Margaret Sanger, put abortion clinics in the ghetto to take care of "the black problem" in her own words. It's always nice to see people ignorant of both history, and 2 faced in their views..
If Adolf Hitler discovered and brought the technology of electricity and how to work with it to fuel civilization, would that take anything away from electricity and/or the technology used to harness it?
Well considering that Hitler didn't do anything good, then that point is moot. Kind of like abortion..nothing good came out of Roe V. Wade. Abortions WERE already allowed in dire circumstances.
You miss the point. I was getting at that just because knowledge comes from something most wouldn't agree with, in your case eugenics, that doesn't make it worthless, or necessarily evil.
The problem is, that the "knowledge" gained from Eugenics, is not useful at all. What is useful about wiping out retarted, & handicapped people? What is useful about wiping out (or at least wanting to wipe out) a race? What is useful about eliminating the future generation(AKA abortion)?
First of all, i never claimed that every last bit of that was useful. First, it's important to read exactly what i say, and not to extrapolate it to some odd construct such as wiping out retards. Second, you must realize that knowledge changes as time goes on and abortion isn't about eliminating the future generation, at least not in today's world. Abortion is there because society doesn't revolve around humans, it is humans that revolve around society, meaning that babies are life altering.
"abortion isn't about eliminating the future generation, at least not in today's world."
You can sugar-coat it anyway you want, but the fact of the matter is that I've heard many flimsy pro-choice excuses..including "this world is too violent to bring children into"..and "the future generations are doomed." Of course, many of these excuses are made by them, when they are cornered & out of ammo.
"because society doesn't revolve around humans, it is humans that revolve around society, meaning that babies are life altering"
True, however, we make many life-altering decisions throughout our lives...and should be responsible for the consequences. Abortion is 1 of the few instances, where a person can willfully commit an act and take zero responsibility for it. As far as extrapolation goes, I am not reading into, nor exaggerating any points. Abortion to this day, is still
(continued #2) based on lies, mis-cited & misquoted medical info, & propaganda accepted by the liberal judges whom voted in favor(for Roe V. Wade). That, & the fact that Sanger is STILL placed on top of a lofty pedestal(despite her racist intentions), shows that similar underlying motives(of the original "Eugenics movement" apply today). Columbus, though he made many of the "new world" discoveries is NOT held out to be a hero today(because of his actions)! Why should Sanger be any different?!
Dude, i haven't been saying, "FUCK YEAH SANGER! WHOOO MAN, THAT PERSON'S DAH SHIT YO!"
There is no Sanger Day, and there never will be. Many people on the pro-choice side, at least to my knowledge, don't give a shit as to who Sanger is. Hell, most people i've talked to hate the idea of eugenics. Abortion might be one of the tools that they used to try to exterminate "inferior races" of humans, but last time i checked, abortionist doctors give out abortions to any race without... (cont.)
(cont.) ...concern. It doesn't seem to me there's any rhyme or reason other then, "i have a paying patient that wants to end her pregnancy." If it really is about eugenics, give me the criteria that MODERN DAY abortionist doctors use to separate the people in which only the "bad" people are allowed to have abortions, and the "good" people can't since we need those genes in the gene pool. WHERE is this criteria if it's still an engine for eugenics?
You know, i'd like to think our society isn't so morally corrupt that they go, "Oh i got pregnant... shit, lets fry the fetus's brains out." and then they do that 10 times in a row.
In fact, if you've talked to women who do get abortions, many of whom i've talked to seem to feel REALLY REALLY bad about it. There are moral consequences, it's not something that people generally take likely in my experience. Do you really think people take pleasure in having an abortion?
"You know, i'd like to think our society isn't so morally corrupt that they go, 'Oh i got pregnant... shit, lets fry the fetus's brains out.' and then they do that 10 times in a row."
Hey, I'd like to think that too! The fact of the matter, however, is that many DON'T. The average # of women(that get an abortion)will have AT LEAST 2 more in their lifetime. I've also said, however, that many women are both physically(& emotionally) scarred by abortion as well. Many will feel guilty for years.
Do I think they get pleasure out of it? No. They are just so selfish, that they put their own convienience over the baby's life. Some women out there either A) don't feel bad about it or B) have had so many abortions that they no longer care.
Somehow, i don't think selfishness is what goes through their minds when they decide to do the abortion. If anything i think it's more of a "Damned if i do, damned if i don't" situation.
There's also women out there who only have one and feel extremely guilty about it and women who never have one anyway, but have the choice should the need arise. What is your point?
My POINT is, that you've largely painted abortion as something that women get because they HAVE to; You've painted it as something that many women struggle with. I was simply stating that SOME women have a hard time w/it, while many could care less. My figures, btw, come from gvmnt studies themselves.
fair enough with the government studies. I didn't mean to say that abortion is a necessary evil, i meant to say that i think the option should exist based on the fact that society doesn't cater to every want and necessity of every human in said society. Mistakes happen, and i think the proverbial reset button should exist because of that. The second society does cater to everyone regardless of circumstances, then i'd see no reason to have abortions. That's what i'm trying to say.
"Mistakes happen, and i think the proverbial reset button should exist because of that."
I understand what you're saying (& in other situations would agree). The thing that is that it is permanent; a woman cannot decide that she made a mistake and bring that child back. Society does not, nor should they, cater to every human need, but the right to "life (liberty, and the pursuit of happiness)" is supposed to be guaranteed in our constitution. Our problem, as a country, is one of p.c. thinking.
(continued)We want to guarantee the "rights" (often instituted-rather than interpreted-by judges in this country) of one person/group, over the rights of another. This actually creates an unfair advantage, and leads to other problems. We tend to let the pendulum swing too far & go way overboard, instead of implementing laws that will benefit people equally (or at least one that will have some positives for everyone).
"rights" are an illusion. They simply don't exist. They're ideals that people would like that they hold true, but really they're privileges that we happen to have until the people with guns that run the show decide to take them back as it has been demonstrated time and time again throughout history.
laws always take away freedoms and rights. How do you intend to preserve rights and freedoms by taking them away? What law doesn't have a negative for SOMEONE?
Freedom of Speech..upheld. Right to bare arms..well, I agree w/you there. If Obama has his way, there won't be a gunshop w/in 5 miles of a school (which will virtually eliminate them, as there is virtually noplace less than 5 miles from SOME school). At least Obama didn't flip-flop like McCain-however-which is why I voted for him. Right to remain silent..upheld. When I say the rights should benefit all, I don't just mean convienence(abortion). We will never please everyone in this country, we
I disagree that we should please the majority since the vast majority is largely ignorant about large bodies of information vital to our shared continued survival and WILLFULLY IGNORANT on much larger bodies of information. If there's one thing that history has shown time and time again is that the masses aren't logical and will time and time again choose horrible decisions based on emotional impulses much to everyone else on the fringe's dismay. It is why even though i'm... (cont.)
(cont.) ... an anarchist, i don't think anarchy even has a chance in hell right now without an entirely revamped educational system as i don't think the masses are intelligent enough to even handle the notion of not having big brother behind their shoulders. Until people can logic their way out of a wet paper bag, we shouldn't necessarily do what the masses want or what will please them, because back in the day, that meant enslaving black people.
Freedom of speech is here in america for now. That'll change the second the circumstances change. Don't think for a second that the ideals of TRUE freedom of speech have been upheld across the board. They haven't.
I doubt it, the issue of guns is largely inconsequential to political candidates. In fact, i'd be hard pressed to believe that Obama gives a rat's ass about guns in general anyway. Not like ANYONE pays attention to issues in political campaigns anyway. It's a... (cont.)
Well, you've written a mouthful here, so I'll summarize my answers I wish they'd make the comment boxes bigger too). I agree w/you, regarding Republicans & Democrats. I'm actually non-affiliated myself. I can't stand either party. Anarchy is ridiculous though; it would never work, b/c everyone would interperet their "rights" differently. If I thought I should have the right to take something(and another thought I should not)there would be no rules-under an anarchist system, to keep those actions
(continued)from occuring. As far as the "majority being ignorant," I'd disagree. Yes, the public can be fickle & easily led, but people also have common sense (and, generally, align on key issues). How else would many of the laws-that we DO have- pass? B/C this majority feels a certain way on a # of issues, we as a society, should pass laws/legislation and give the majority what they ask for.
That's exactly why i don't think the world is ready for anarchy.
Laws get passed, taken down, and then passed again all the time and throughout the course of history.
When the majority felt that slavery was just fine, does that mean it was alright back then? That it was justified? The majority wanted it. It was a thriving practice.
Anarchy, in my opinion, would never work because of the tendencies of humans in general. We all break the rules sometimes, and w/o some set of rules, we would have nothing but problems. What I am saying is, despite our flawed system, most people feel the same way about certain acts. Rape, Murder, molestation(especially)are despised by nearly all people on a gut level. This is how those laws came to pass in the 1st place. This is also why most juries will have similar findings on certain crimes.
well if we break the rules even if they're set, then doesn't that make the rules moot to begin with? That is to say if we break them despite them existing.
Also, if we all intrinsically feel that rape, murder and molestation is wrong on a gut/instinctual level, then aren't rules against such things redundant?
"Also, if we all intrinsically feel that rape, murder and molestation is wrong on a gut/instinctual level, then aren't rules against such things redundant?"
If there weren't people in this world that did not have a conscious (or lacked instinctual feelings that performing a certain act is wrong), then I would agree wholeheartedly. The fact remains, however, that there are those who do not care and will take a life for another's shoes. I would say the majority of people do feel that these things
(continued) are wrong. That's why these laws have been set. That's also why many religions have been formed. True that many believe a god or gods would want them to act a certain way, but where does that thought come from in the 1st place? Not every widespread belief is right, but I do feel that many people DO oppose widespread beliefs that are wrong (even if they don't oppose it outwardly..or are afraid to speak their minds due to persecution).
(cont.)... popularity contest at it's core and both the republicans and the democrats are anything BUT about the issues. You get to decide which evil controls the country, most people think they're choosing a lesser evil, but no, you're choosing the same evil since both parties are largely antiquated anyway! It's about who gets sold on the media and who takes the most bribes from private interests. NOTHING to do with issues. Not a damned thing. That means gun control. It's inconsequential.
Oh as for the right to remain silent, that's what police brutality is for. Nothing quite like beating the information out of someone right?
Rights are an illusion. What i mean by that is that the people who control the guns will allow you to have "rights" as long as it doesn't interfere with what they want. They might let it slide a little bit, but they'll strip it right away the second it become inconvenient, or did we not intern the japanese into camps during WW2? Or did we... (cont.)
Abortion is real murder! The pro death people are blinded by propaganda of the evil liars!
fintyrock 1 week ago
Yes you are right! The next thing, they will kill all those who cannot reason. The pro-choice people are evil. Abortion is murder! We live in an insane world. In Canada a man killed his two children and he got away with it. Children are no longer a blessing! The baby is a humain being!
fintyrock 2 months ago
LOL, this was hilarious! A godless society shows as a sign of infanticide? Ever read the bibles? The abrahamic god kills children, and the unborn freaquently. If anything infanticide is godly.
humanistheart 4 months ago
Demonic society it seems.
TempusFugit101 8 months ago
if i connect a rope to your body {imbilical cord}does that give me the right to kill you..
berylcrystal777 9 months ago 2
I was once blind but now I see...that the hype that abortion is a "solution" to a "problem", is all just a big fat, monstrous, lie. The media and feminists, who are the modern day sexist pigs, will say and do anything to convince women and others that an unborn baby is inferior and is invasive.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
I used to be pro-choice but 2 years ago I decided that I was going to stop being just another person who was told what think by the media.
I reviewed the reasons why I was pro-choice and I found that none of my reasons or the reasons other pro-choicers didn't also support infanticide.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
how about this for hypocrisy....on one hand our government and military will go overseas ,invade,overthrow and force them to convert due to their unruly evil and yet we protect our borders so that we can legally kill babies in abortion clinics..its liike a judge who is a raving alcholic who drives drunk convicting another drunk driver for the same crime he is never punished for...if abotion is not abolished things will only get worse....its biblical,,,its gauranteed..
berylcrystal777 1 year ago
Abortion is evil...and milk is evil, and potatoes are evil, and bears are evil. Everything I don't like is evil and therefore should be illegal!
MissAnitaSow 1 year ago
1) Infanticide is different to abortion. Abortion is removing a fetus, it would have to be an infant in order for it to be infanticide.
2) What's wrong with a godless society? and what the fuck are you doing to help anyone? as a very proud atheist, who apparently has no morals, i went to Africa this year to help orphans and deprived children. Most of these children's parents died due to AIDS. are you anti contraception too? you're so fucking ignorant
CazyWazyWooWoo 1 year ago
@garyzenuf Well at least give these babies a chance to grow up! and where the hell are their rights...its not an argument,.. this is about allowing our generation to slaughter the NEXT!!! and anyone who says otherwise is a gutless wonder...funny how all the people that are for abortion had their chance at life...selfish bastards!
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
We are robbing the next generation of GREATNESS!...who knows if those babies had of lived, and had the chance to grow up, could have discovered the cure for aids or cancer or some other great discovery!...wow how sad that we choose to take the easy way out. OUR SOCIETY HAS BECOME COLD HEARTLESS AND SELFISH! lets save these babies and help these mums, find other alternatives! i dont blame the mums, its the government i blame! weak gutless bastards they are, no back bone! and aint that the truth
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
You're an idiot! By your logic we should all be vegetarians, or maybe we shouldn't eat. Why? Because the animals and plants we consume won't have the potential to live good lives. Yeah, I know it's retarded, but that's what believing in a space daddy does to you. I think that women should ideally have the baby, but there are plenty of situations where you, nor anyone else has the right to tell a women what to do.
jmcgow95 1 year ago
@jmcgow95
you can't compare animals to humans. period.
Also, you say there are plenty of situations where you have no right to tell a woman what to do (I assume you mean rape, incest, etc.).
On the other hand, do you think there are situations where we do have the right to say abortion is wrong? (i.e. a woman simply made the mistake of getting pregnant and doesn't want to live with her mistake)
tpacemaker2 1 year ago
"How do you know when you're living in a Godless society?"
When your society is smart.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
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Building at this last comment i see on the top here. Did you ever think some babies are better off dead before being born? Theoretically: crack head gets raped. shes addicted to crack cocaine, she is not capable of having that baby. she WILL kill it, sell it, or it will have such a horrible life he/she will kill themselves or grow up to kill others. My mother is a NICU nurse and she doesnt understand why she must torture babies with treatments that will only postpone a certain uncureable death.
TheTriangulation 1 year ago
Building at this last comment i see on the top here. Did you ever think some babies are better off dead before being born? Theoretically: crack head gets raped. shes addicted to crack cocaine, she is not capable of having that baby. she WILL kill it, sell it, or it will have such a horrible life he/she will kill themselves or grow up to kill others. My mother is a NICU nurse and she doesnt understand why she must torture babies with treatments that will only postpone a certain uncureable death.
TheTriangulation 1 year ago
ok up to about the third minute, you start speaking for the pro-choicers. Speak for yourself buddy. I don't know what pro-choicer you heard those arguments from, but they obviously don't seem to be credible people. And it is even more insane and ignorant if you find that there is no difference between shooting a randmo person in the face out of cold blood for no reason at all, and aborting a fetus!
TheGreatRL 1 year ago 2
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@TheGreatRL says: I don't know what pro-choicer you heard those arguments from
~~~~~~~~~~~~ he didnt hear it from anyone...he made it up. prolifers have no argument if they tell the truth. They HAVE to lie..hense, abortion is legal.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL Aborting a fetus is also murder!!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 1 month ago
it will never love, it will never make friends. Yes very true, but it will never hate and never make enemies either. And when you take an unwanted baby and watch it grow up. Those odds are in that favor.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago 5
@TheGreatRL Yes, let's cleanse the world of the unwanted babies because they might grow up to have the same flaws everyone else has. I was an unwanted baby but my mom didn't abort me, I'm sorry to be here to ruin your "wanted" persons world.
Get your head out of your ass.
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@adiosucks123 I'm not saying that is what we should do. I'm saying that is what is gonna happen. Its a counterargument to the pro fetus world that thinks every aborted fetus was gonna grow up and live a beautiful life. Good job assuming i'm pro abortion just because i'm pro choice.
Get your head out of YOUR ass.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL I don't put "what ifs" to the babies that were aborted and I don't fool myself with the idea that they would live a perfect life but it's nobody elses right to make it so that they don't have a chance to live their lives and make with it what they can.
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@adiosucks123 If that fetus is part of the woman (which it is) she has that right to make that decision whether or not she wants to be a mother. When the fetus is born and becomes its own separate human, then she no longer has a say in the matter. Its none of your business as well as none of mine.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL It is a person, just because a woman doesn't want responsibility doesn't give her the right to kill. (and this isn't coming from a sexist conservative christian btw, I'm a feminist communist atheist) I just don't see how you could really say that it is justified.
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@adiosucks123 A fetus is not a person. It is a parasite that has the potential to become a human. A fetus MUST rely on the carrying woman for survival, wheareas a baby can be taken care of by anyone. Technically it is independant because anyone is able to take care of the baby. Technically a fetus is DEPENDANT because it must be taken care of by the woman who is pregnant. This is very relevant when discussing abortion. And I was never ready to accuse you of being a sexist conservative christian.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL I know you weren't accusing me but people like to eventually go to that.
What about the people on life support or retarded children?
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@adiosucks123 I'm all in favor of giving people on life support the choice to voluntary euthanize themselves (given very strict circumstances) but what about retarded children? I don't get that part.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL I agree with the right to plug the plug on yourself also. With retarded children I'm saying that there is no possible way for a lot of them to be independent at all in, they will always be someone else's "problem" or burden. I have a retarded step-sister and I can tell that she will never been an independent person.
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@adiosucks123 I had a feeling you would get the wrong idea when I said "independant" even though I described it twice. When I say indepenant, I mean they are their own individual human. A retarded person can be taken care of by ANYONE. Not just the pregnant woman, as that is the case with a fetus.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL I get what you are trying to say but there is more to it than just the phyiscal seperation of the 2. When in the mother the child is connect through the cord for nutrients, that doesn't mean its only 1 person. That's almost (though not exactly) like saying that siamese twins are only 1 person because they are not seperated from each other.
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@adiosucks123 Right. But siamese twins are still technically independant since they can be taken care of by anyone. That is where I draw the line.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL Well if you want to draw your line there that's your choice. I understand why you think so but I personally don't agree.
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@TheGreatRL What does that matter how does a child not have the right to live cause it needs it`s mother?????????
reviewreviewer1 1 month ago
@TheGreatRL How is the fetus a parasite?? It is part of the same species and it doesn`t invade te mother. Also why do the dependent noit have rights that seems really like the right of the strong the dependent deserve care not murder and it is only feeding on the mother cause the mother created it!!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 1 month ago
When an independent doctor who has no financial stake in whether or not that abortion is performed can clearly state in his/her expert medical opinion that the mother would likely not survive if she had to carry the pregnancy to term
Mental duress is not an excuse to kill. Suicide can be prevented. The standard must be the same as it is for self defense--you must be reasonably certain that you will BE killed if you don't kill
angelshoulders 1 year ago
When these pro-lifers become victims of rape, carry a fetus for 9 months, experience their first labor pains, while raising a few children by themselves with a minimum wage income, then i'll be more than happy to hear what they have to say about abortion. Send the fetus to heaven early and spare it of any chances to screw up their lives because it is more likely that the fetus will not grow up Ghandi-esque.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
In a perfect world, every fetus grows up to be a doctor, or a lawyer, making 100k a year, married with kids. Unfortunately, this isn't disneyland. And when a woman even CONSIDERS abortion, she is most likely not a fit parent. Therefore, the child will most likely grow up with no parents or a deadbeat parent and live a very difficult and painful life. To force that pain, guilt, and suffering on a woman, (and the man) is even more ignorant.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
Yeah I love how men make such big decisions for women like you, you monster... slavedriver..
ytben26 1 year ago
I didn't have a loving, welcome lifetime-movie-network childhood. My life sucked. My grades were below average, my father was abusive, my mother was crippled and mentally ill since I was 11 and I took on the job of caring for her. I got pregnant at 14 right after a girl in my school got raped at 13 and became pregnant, and the pro-life monsters refused to let her abort, her own family refused to allow her to adopt because that was, like my own father screamed at me, 'throwing away family'. -c
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
No, instead of letting her abort or even con sider adoption, her family threatened her with being disowned unless she kept, raised, and cared for her rape-child. She threatened suicide unless she was allowed to abort(remember she was 13, lol) so they locked her up, and her sister confirmed it for all of us at school- she spent 9 months strapped to a table to protect her BABY because she hit herself in the stomach. She delivered strapped to a table, and she was forced to hold that child. -c
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago 2
A couple kids thought it was wrong, and so did I- she wasn't allowed to give it up for adoption or anything. It was raise your rape-baby at 13, or get thrown out of your house.
She was bullied into raising an unwanted child she wasn't prepared for, and the last I heard of her, personally, she tried to stab her mother and ran away from home. I tell you that, to tell you THIS-
I got pregnant not long after, at 14. Consentual sex with some dumb guy at school, broken condom, ect..
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago 2
And I had nowhere to run. I tell you the story about that girl because I told my parents, before I ever got pregnant, about her and what happened.
I told them I thought it was sick the way they treated her, strapped her, forced her to have a baby she didn't want, didn't deserve..
My dad screamed at me, hit me, backed me into a corner and even shook me because I supported HER choice, because I said I'd abort or adopt if it happened to me.. I got threatened, violently, with the same demise. -c
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
When I got pregnant, I had nowhere to run.
As bad as my homelife was, I knew then and still know now that foster care, child wards, state services can destroy and even kill a child.
I forced a miscarraige at 14 and almost killed myself to do it. i was ready to die to get away from ever being forced to raise a child I don't want, especially in the environment I grew up in.
I was beaten by my father, screamed at, for other things before. I've been hit in the face with a belt at 9.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago 2
I knew then that I was killing another person. I still know I killed a person, a child that came from me having sex with some guy for some jollies.
I don't care. I still don't regret it.
I was ready to die to get away from it all. I was ready to die in order to survive. And luckily, thanks to privacy laws, thanks to my own irregular period and hospitalizations from it before, noone but the doctors knew I miscarried/aborted.
continued one last time-
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago 2
Now, I live with my mother and my father is not around anymore. I'm her full-time nurse, I'm also a full-time nurse for other disabled and elderly clients.
I left school to apprentice and have the job I have now, the LIFE I have now. I'm well-paid. I'm loved and love others, I'm genuinely happy.
People want to say I don't know what might have happened- yeah? Ask any battered wife or child- do you REALLY know what will happen if you stand up to your abuser? Do you want to risk it?
Pro-choice.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
So what you are basically saying is that you support the murder of children? Listen, what happened to you and your firend was horrible. Nobody deserves to have to go though what you had to go through with abusive family. And your friend's parents were wrong for what they did to her and not allowing her to give her baby up for adoption. But none of this is an excuse for you to kill your baby! You are trying to use the evil that happened to you in order to justify the evil act of taking a life
OneTrueChurch 2 years ago
Taking a life is necessary sometimes- you want to look at the quantity of lives, not the quality of them.
Do you try to make it illegal for a rape victim to use lethal force to protect her? Do you deny her that right, both legally and morally? If not, why?
Rape is not murder.. it is only unpleasant.. but the effects it can have on a woman can be' according to many and supported by a few psychologists, worse than death. She has the right to kill to protect her livelihood. Abortion is the same.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
wow you are really twisted. Yes sometimes taking a life is necessary such as in self defense if you are attacked. But taking the life of an innocent person in order to help yourself is never justified. You are comparing to completely different things here. Your baby was innocent in all of this. You killed your baby. you are a murderer. And you know this in your heart
OneTrueChurch 2 years ago
I still survived, I'm still alive, happy, and not homeless.
Of course I know it, but I also know it was justified.
An innocent child the womb can't help his [predicament, but that doesn't change the fact that his existence could be either a blessing OR a curse, depending on the mother and the situation.
I still have nightmares, occasionally, about being strapped to a table and giving birth, having a screaming infant shoved into my arms, then becoming homeless on the street.
That sound right?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago 2
@OneTrueChurch so I guess if you masturbate, you are a murderer.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@OneTrueChurch Abortion is never necessary!! It is never needed!! If the mothers very life is threatened. If the mother will certainly die if she carries the baby to term> If the mother does not kill the baby, the baby will definetly kill her (as in self defens), every effort would be made to save both lives.The unborn living human being is a human, is alive and abortion kills a living human being!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@OneTrueChurch we do not have the right to decide for another person whether or not his life is worth living. such rationale still leads to the extreme . We euthanize animals because they do not make decisions for themselves, because they are lesser beings in our care. but human children are not lesser beings, and so the decision should be there's alone. granted, many do suffer abuse, but does common sense truly show that it is better to make a murderer's job easier?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@OneBy Ryddel's thought,should we not also kill the poor,the depressed, the children starving in Africa,or anyone else who suffers?After all,in OUR estimation their lives are not worth living,it's just too painful for them.Oh,they disagree?Well, they just aren't smart enough to know what's good for them! so shut down the soup kitchens and the humanitarian aid! let us take up arms and seek the suffering of the world, that we may release them from their valueless lives in a hale of gunfire!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
A fetus has the potential to become a person, just as a person has the potential to become a pilot, a lawyer, or a police officer.. However, POTENTIAL is not the same thing as ACTUAL. So, just because a person has the potential to become any of those things, does not mean they actually ARE those things... it simply means that under the right circumstances they COULD BECOME them. It is not until they have actually become a pilot, lawyer, or police officer that we consider them such.
DaedalEVE 2 years ago 4
a fetus is not a potential person, it is a person.
OneTrueChurch 2 years ago 3
According to what exactly? Because you say so? Because the Bible says so? What makes it a PERSON?
I'm betting that the only reason you have is one of those BS "just because" reasons. "Just because I say so" or "just because it is", etc.
We've heard all your other reasons, as well as your inability to actually comprehend what others are saying.
So big shot... tell me what makes a fetus the same as you or me. Aside from a basic DNA sequence I see no similarity. In fact I see more differences.
DaedalEVE 2 years ago
For gods sake, you post here that a fetus is not a person and in the vid you say it isn't. You lie in the name in the name of God. shame on you!
Sueezee1 2 years ago
Take all your liberal baby killing bullshit and shove it up your ass. If you don't like the video, don't watch it. Go watch some videos of babies being aborted and women being happy about it. Oh wait, there aren't any of those are there?
AtheistFromHell2 2 years ago
athe: go watch some vids of babies being aborted & women happy about it. What does the abortion of a rice sized(when 97% of all abortions are done) embryolook like. I'll tell you want it looks like. If the contents of one of those abortions were layed on a table in front of you , you wouldnt know what it was..but, please keep believing that whole babies are are on the table all hacked up. The dumber you are the better for us!
Sueezee1 2 years ago 2
So, how many cubic centimeters does someone's body have to occupy for you to consider it human?
AtheistFromHell2 2 years ago
onetrue: a fetus is not a potention person, is it a person. We define the word person in legal terms ONLY.
Black's Law Dictionary (7th Ed.) defines "person" as:
1. A human being.
2. An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born human beings Also, "human being" found in a law dictionary, and specifically found as a meaning of the word "person".
PLEASE...tell me why you can't tell the truth? I need to know what goes on in your minds.
Sueezee1 2 years ago
That book reflects what the law says, not what is actually true. The people who write such books are lawyers, not biologists.
AtheistFromHell2 2 years ago
@OneTrueChurch what exactly makes a fetus a person
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@OneTrueChurch it's not a person, it's a zygote, which then develops into a person.
CazyWazyWooWoo 1 year ago
@OneTrueChurch I think that guy just justified infanticide: a baby is much more like a fetus than an older child, afterall; and just as dependent on their mother. Some newborns, in the case of preemies, are less developed than some fetuses. The one common factor here is humanity. Defending abortion results in an arbitrary line between person and non-person; there can be no absolute basis to pro-abortion thinking. Well... other than the desire to justify killing the "inconvenient", of course.
horsie111 11 months ago 2
@horsie111 Is a newborn inside of someone else, or can it be adopted? Is it on a human-life-support? No? Then killing a born child is absolutely rediculous.
ryddelwearsahat 9 months ago 2
@OneTrueChurch How is a society godless for promoting infanticide? Do you realize how much infanticide the abrahamic god commits, and orders his people to? If you claim aborting a child is evil, than likewise you must be calling your god evil, or your allowing its hypocrisy.
humanistheart 4 months ago
Saying that a fetus (latin for little one) has the "potential" to "become" a person....Is also say that they have the "potential to become" something else...The unborn are people...they are people in the earliest stages of their life. Be it the 1st stage or the last a human being is a human being & cannot "become" anything else. Moreover abortion is NOT a choice. The child doesnt get a choice.....cont.
taffygirlgood 2 years ago
@DaedalEVE geez a baby that is born, has the potential to grow up and become an adult? why the heck why dont we just shoot them? your LOGIC IS BOODY STUPID AND BARBARIC ,,,Geez i dont believe that there are so many dicheads like u on planet earth... ABORTION IS MURDER!
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
@sweetassuzy
I take it you've never heard the expression "don't count your chickens before they hatch", have you? Well the same rule applies to pregnancy.
If "potential" actually meant a damn thing, then I and everyone else who drives should be locked up, because we all have the potential to murder people with our cars.
You can't be a murdered unless you've killed a person... and you aren't considered a person until you are born.
Go save starving kids in Africa if you're so concerned.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE u are really backward, but that comes with the territory when u have such an evil heart...which u have by the way!..its no use arguing with someone that has the same out look as a serial killer, and places absolutely no value on human life whatsoever!..ALL HUMAN LIFE IS PRECIOUS FROM CONCEPTION TO THE GRAVE!....and i would rather have emotion than be a cold hearted monster like u are!
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
@sweetassuzy
The one who is "backwards" is you. You are trying to control the life, decisions, and rights of an adult, because you have some sort of hard-on for a collection of cells that aren't even sentient! And somehow, in your warped little mind, you think this makes you "noble" or "just"! What a fucking crock!
And oh yes, I am so cold and evil and such a monster. That's why I became a firefighter, went through the training, and put my own safety as rick to help others. I'm so evil, lol
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE oh wow, i am so sorry, i have insulted a firefighter!... ha ha, big bloody deal!, i couldnt care less if u were the Queen of england....who cares what u do, put your life at risk?????? what a pathetic weasle u are! just full of hot air and tooting your own horn.....and lets just add, that doesnt compensate for the slaughter of the innocent!...and yes u are evil!
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
@sweetassuzy
lol... fail troll.
Have fun being ignored... byes!
OH, and please... get professional help.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE laters .....BABY KILLER!
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
@sweetassuzy
If you want to see real evil, look in the mirror.
You're an ideological nut job who would sacrifice the rights and free will of actual people (those who have been born, have social connections, are self aware, etc) for something that isn't even a person yet, isn't even formed, let alone been born.
And while you preach "life is sacred" this or that... the extremists among you actually commit homicide by killing doctors and bombing clinics full of people.
What hypocrisy.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@sweetassuzy
Oh and my "logic" makes perfect sense, seeing how it's based on both scientific fact and supported by real life application (ie: the way things actually work in the real world).
Your OPINION is based on nothing but emotional sentiment, and likely supported by nothing other than your religious beliefs and well wishing.
I live in reality. You live in a fantasy world. You can't even use your brain to think for yourself... you just let your emotions control you. Pathetic.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE oh i see your always trying to bring God into it???????...also a GOD hater? geez u are the ultimate fool!....think u know it all, u are one serious loser...
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
@sweetassuzy
Not at all... just a hater of mindless bible thumping hypocrites. But I see from your reaction that I was indeed correct in my assumption. Having faith is fine, but people who blindly follow religious teachings without question are zealots. It's people like that who cause holy crusades, witch hunts, inquisitions, fly planes into buildings, and start wars.
It's also people like that who think they can impose their own will on that of others, and claim it all in the name of God.
DaedalEVE 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE hey lets get the facts straight here! im not the one out to murder people! im for life, u are the freakin nutcase that has no respect or places no value whatsoever on human life....i am standing up for those who cant...U ARE A BIG MOUTH BULLY, WHO ADVOCATES THE SLAUGHTER OF BABIES!!!!!what a weak pathetic little man u are! ...u are a nobody who will go nowhere in life, cause u have such an EVIL heart!...and im not like u, ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS EVEN YOURS!
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE and its people like u that are killing off the next generation!... with no thought whatsoever to this slaughter....well done mr firefighter u really have a feather in your cap now dont u! ......wow well done killer!
sweetassuzy 1 year ago
@DaedalEVE Its funny how for so many years people always agreed they are humans growing inside taht 1 day will lead countries and do great things or just be another human to converse with. And then idiots like you showed up.
franciscodudeful 6 months ago
I'll pobably get voted down because of the numerous pro lifers on youtube, but a woman's prenancy is NONE of OUR business. So for all the women gettin abortions, tell everybody to Mind their own!
XxShyneN09xX 2 years ago 7
@XxShyneN09xX i totally agree!
CazyWazyWooWoo 1 year ago
@XxShyneN09xX It's not there own, it's also the babies.
(btw I'm not one of these stupid christian conservatives, I just don't think abortion is right)
adiosucks123 1 year ago
@XxShyneN09xX so,,,let me get this straight,,if your mom decided to pay someone to take your life and you scream for help,,i just need to remember that your in your mothers womb and what she does with her body is her choice,,i pray that you rebuke the demon of stupidity because i know in my heart you have just as much right to live as any 1 day to 9 month fetus.
berylcrystal777 9 months ago
america has been/will be a godless society, everyone was doing their dirt underground and now no one gives a fuck because life is too short to worry about other people judging you.
FREEAMERICANOW69 2 years ago
I can honestly say that I want you to go to fucking hell. You can take your little followers with you, because unlike you, I respect women and their choices with their bodies. It is nobody's right to go around preaching to people about abortions. God didn't send you to do tht, thanks. Do you wanna see another child in a garbage can? Without abortion we'd have a fucking garbage truck full of babies.
newportismylife 2 years ago 2
do you think that it's possible for a baby to be removed from the mother's womb without killing it?
sugariej 2 years ago
c-section?
transferosome 2 years ago
nobody cares about the fetuses.
as a former SUPER pro-lifer i can assure you that the debate is about people disagreeing with your beliefs and self rightous condemnation
if anybody cared about the "dear little babies" then they would sacrifice for them like they would if their dad, brother, son, wife, or friends life was on the line.
would you trade valuable possesions like a car for them? would you trade your valuable possesions for the life of a dear little fetus?
didn't think so
theeyeisblind 2 years ago
Actually, many people do and have. I have an extended family of about 13 brothers and sisters. Only about 3 of them are my blood silings. My mother adopted the rest. And once I am able to. I will do the same. So just because you wont sacrfice for your fellow man, doesnt mean no one will.
7SaintChristopher7 2 years ago 3
i certainly admire and respect your noble decision on adoption, hell i don't think i even have it in me to ever have kids
but nah dude i am talking about the fetuses not the full term babies
people get all shitty over the dear little babies but they really don't care other than telling those little whores to keep their legs crossed. well at least most pro-life people use that rhetoric
this issue ISN'T black and white and its not easy for anybody involved and people need to consider that
theeyeisblind 2 years ago
Wouldn't the opposite of Pro-life be Pro-death? Doesn't Pro-choice actually just leave the decision upto the individual? Kind of like, oh I don't know, a middle ground?
Why don't focus on whether or not it's an emotional decision versus a logical decision. Now that would be interesting. And most recent studies have shown that even though people say they're being logical are really being emotional. So which response are you trying to go from? Because this sounds like emotional response.
adrenalineeyes 2 years ago
You christian whackos just don't get it. Most of us normal people are pro-choice because christianity disgusts us. Because the pope disgusts us. Because 2000 years of christian injustice disgusts us. Because YOU, personally, disgust us.
Honestly, if you nutjob catholics did a limbo-esque aboutface and became pro-choice then I would become pro-life in a second.
YOU are the number one argument for pro-choice rights.
frid9999 2 years ago
wow this sounds like the words of a true intellectual. And Actually, according to latest polls most people are pro-life
OneTrueChurch 2 years ago
> sounds like the words of a true intellectual.
But I am being honest, and you are not. For all your attempts to justify your anti-abortion stance you are leaving out the one true reason... because the pope has told you so. If the pope changed his mind tomorrow and said abortion in the first two trimesters is ok with god you would follow suit without pause.
I'm not even sure why you bothered to make a video justifying your stance? Isn't a 3 second video all that is needed, "God says so"?
frid9999 2 years ago
ok, first of all, there are a lot of people who are pro-life that aren't catholic heck there are even atheists that are pro-life.(see: godlessprolifers (dot) com). A person can tell from the natural law alone that abortion is wrong, just as they can with stealing, adultery, ect.
OneTrueChurch 2 years ago
> A person can tell from the natural law
> alone that abortion is wrong
Hogwash.
First of all "natural law" has nothing to do with it (for you). If your god told you to kill a child you would have to do it. Your god has made this clear already. So please stop pretending to practice thoughtful reasoning.
Secondly, "natural law" suggests a gelatanous blob of 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 cells - so small you need a microscope to view it - is not a person. "Natural law" is not on your side.
frid9999 2 years ago
Everyone is made of cells. You can either care or not care, simple as that. I guess they don't qualify as "persons" under your definition until they are old enough to adopt the liberal ideology. Right?
That's why the Democrats want to brainwash kindergarten age children into the party line.
Vedaseran 2 years ago
That is true. I am an atheist and yet I am extremely pro-life.
The hard part is valuing a life with an evil mind (i.e pro-abortion liberals and child killers of all kinds). It's hard not to despise them utterly.
Vedaseran 2 years ago
Oh no! Think of all the billions of eggs and sperms that are never used! We must overpopulate the world at once, and let those children be unloved and unwanted!
Seriously, I don't care about eggs and sperms since they don't have any conciousness - neither do foetuses.
Athaeus 2 years ago
There Are Up To 36 Couples Waiting For Every One Baby Placed For Adoption.
~54,500 unrelated domestic adoptions occur each year. - 23,500 infant adoptions take place annually. ~16,000 international adoptions take place each year.
adoption(dot)org
thehelpline org
Yes. Some babies don't get adopted. Some grow up to become adults and as you say "grow out". Getting back on the issue:
Growing out is something aborted babies will never get to do.
angelshoulders 2 years ago
Thanks for posting, hon!
caffeinequeen89 2 years ago
Oh My God, another American extremist... I can't believe how many unrational people there are in America. Only seeing the "BIBLE-SIDE" of everything and NEVER the rational side. Its always "blablabla... the Lord says...". LAY OFF THE BOOZE, PEOPLE! Im a liberal christian with my eyes open for bullshit, and the bible has a lot of it. There are so many bible slaves out there. Im sure that if the bible said "kill your neighbor", you american extremists would do it because its the word of the Lord.
ScepticCucumber 2 years ago
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robat227 2 years ago
sceptic: "Im a liberal christian with my eyes open for bullshit"
It shows. The "liberal christian" part.
Now ask if God cares. More importantly ask if he likes the idea of killing children in this manner.
And incidentaly you are to follow the BIBLE. The laws of man come second to that.
wormer105 2 years ago
...Until they die of course.
SinistaPlot 2 years ago
"Yeah, a 4 year old not fully grown, but it is developed. "
Wrong. Human beings never stop developing.
SinistaPlot 2 years ago
"But you can't give a Fetus up for adoption it's physically impossible, it would die."
You made the decision when you allowed an individual being to form inside of you. With 'choice' comes responsibilities. Just because you made the choice to have irresponsible sex doesn't make it right to destroy the truly innocent party of your 'choice'. Regardless, no one forced you to be an 'incubator' because no one forced you into pregnancy. That, my friend, was your choice.
SinistaPlot 2 years ago
So abortion is alright in rape and incest for you?
How about if the woman is at risk?
Proletariat12 2 years ago
Yes this video is VERY logical. a bundle of zygotes is the SAME as a formed baby.
Where do we draw the line? I think where we drew the line right now is well enough.
Proletariat12 2 years ago
"Yes this video is VERY logical. a bundle of zygotes is the SAME as a formed baby."
That's a straw man. Pro-lifers do not believe a 'bundle of zygotes' is the same as a formed baby. Consider-- biologically speaking, a 4 year old boy is not the same as a 40 year old man. The 4 year old is at its early stage of development while the 40 year old man is his middle stage.
SinistaPlot 2 years ago
Your answer wasn't even relevant to the comment.
Yeah, a 4 year old not fully grown, but it is developed. Consider the difference please.
A group of cells without a nervous system? Sorry but I don't risk a woman's life for that. Neither should you.
Proletariat12 2 years ago
"A group of cells without a nervous system? Sorry but I don't risk a woman's life for that."
How utterly disingenuous. An embryo is a distinct individual human being in its own right. The characteristic differences between you and an embryo doesn't make an embryo not a human being. I haven't put any woman's life at risk. Women take that risk when they have sex.
SinistaPlot 2 years ago
You actually don't have much knowledge about the development of fetus' do you?
To a certain point our fetus are essentially identical to other mammals. An embryo is NOT a distinct individual human being...Stop it already.
I love how you make this entirely the woman's fault. THEY are the ones who had sex, THEY are the ones who were raped, THEY were the ones who chose to be at a health risk if the baby is born but being forced to go through with it and die because of religious zealots like you...
Proletariat12 2 years ago
"An embryo is NOT a distinct individual human being"
Is this a joke?
"I love how you make this entirely the woman's fault."
Like our society doesn't hold men accountable for their children...
"because of religious zealots like you"
I'm staunchly atheist.
SinistaPlot 2 years ago
No, it's not a joke. It's just you not expressing why you believe what you believe. Just scoffing and ridiculing.
Maybe you need to think a bit more and come to an understanding of WHY you believe what you believe.
Proletariat12 2 years ago
You are confusing a fetus with a baby.
ManicEightBall 2 years ago
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." [Lincoln]
crazypunk2F 2 years ago 3
"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race." [Bertrand Russell]
crazypunk2F 2 years ago
"Religions are all alike founded upon fables and mythologies." [Thomas Jefferson]
crazypunk2F 2 years ago
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." [Einstein]
crazypunk2F 2 years ago
"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche
crazypunk2F 2 years ago
Jeremiah 1:5...
"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose. I appointed you to be a prophet to the nations." ...
AND THAT'S YET ANOTHER ONE RIGHT OUT OF THE BALLPARK!
johnlewisbrooks 3 years ago
Nope, the entire debate with person-hood is complex, and you merely simplified it and pushed your version of it. By your rational, we should prohibit contraception because every time you're putting on a condom, you're preventing the possibility of a child from coming into this world and living like you and me. It's fine to be pro-life but you simply don't even acknowledge the weaknesses of your own position.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
as a catholic, i do also believe that contraception is a mortal sin. But it isn't murder. Contraception prevents life, but abortion takes life and stops a beating heart.
OneTrueChurch 3 years ago
Well, at least your consistent. I'll give you that. :)
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
Now, I'm not saying that you PERSONALLY believe this, but the REAL hypocrisy(in general), are the people(fakes) that support abortion, yet oppose the death penalty, on "the sanctity of human rights." So it's okay to murder a baby, but not ensure that a murderous psychopath won't harm or kill anyone else(which many "lifers" in prison STILL DO)? Then they say, "Well that baby will be disadvantaged, and brought up in a cruel world".. So, the solution is to deny them the chance AT ALL?!
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
This was a HALLMARK of EUGENICS(around the turn of the century)that the Nazi's studied, admired & implemented). Even good ole' Margaret Sanger, put abortion clinics in the ghetto to take care of "the black problem" in her own words. It's always nice to see people ignorant of both history, and 2 faced in their views..
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
If Adolf Hitler discovered and brought the technology of electricity and how to work with it to fuel civilization, would that take anything away from electricity and/or the technology used to harness it?
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
Well considering that Hitler didn't do anything good, then that point is moot. Kind of like abortion..nothing good came out of Roe V. Wade. Abortions WERE already allowed in dire circumstances.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
You miss the point. I was getting at that just because knowledge comes from something most wouldn't agree with, in your case eugenics, that doesn't make it worthless, or necessarily evil.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
The problem is, that the "knowledge" gained from Eugenics, is not useful at all. What is useful about wiping out retarted, & handicapped people? What is useful about wiping out (or at least wanting to wipe out) a race? What is useful about eliminating the future generation(AKA abortion)?
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
First of all, i never claimed that every last bit of that was useful. First, it's important to read exactly what i say, and not to extrapolate it to some odd construct such as wiping out retards. Second, you must realize that knowledge changes as time goes on and abortion isn't about eliminating the future generation, at least not in today's world. Abortion is there because society doesn't revolve around humans, it is humans that revolve around society, meaning that babies are life altering.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
"abortion isn't about eliminating the future generation, at least not in today's world."
You can sugar-coat it anyway you want, but the fact of the matter is that I've heard many flimsy pro-choice excuses..including "this world is too violent to bring children into"..and "the future generations are doomed." Of course, many of these excuses are made by them, when they are cornered & out of ammo.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
(continued)
"because society doesn't revolve around humans, it is humans that revolve around society, meaning that babies are life altering"
True, however, we make many life-altering decisions throughout our lives...and should be responsible for the consequences. Abortion is 1 of the few instances, where a person can willfully commit an act and take zero responsibility for it. As far as extrapolation goes, I am not reading into, nor exaggerating any points. Abortion to this day, is still
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
(continued #2) based on lies, mis-cited & misquoted medical info, & propaganda accepted by the liberal judges whom voted in favor(for Roe V. Wade). That, & the fact that Sanger is STILL placed on top of a lofty pedestal(despite her racist intentions), shows that similar underlying motives(of the original "Eugenics movement" apply today). Columbus, though he made many of the "new world" discoveries is NOT held out to be a hero today(because of his actions)! Why should Sanger be any different?!
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
Dude, i haven't been saying, "FUCK YEAH SANGER! WHOOO MAN, THAT PERSON'S DAH SHIT YO!"
There is no Sanger Day, and there never will be. Many people on the pro-choice side, at least to my knowledge, don't give a shit as to who Sanger is. Hell, most people i've talked to hate the idea of eugenics. Abortion might be one of the tools that they used to try to exterminate "inferior races" of humans, but last time i checked, abortionist doctors give out abortions to any race without... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
(cont.) ...concern. It doesn't seem to me there's any rhyme or reason other then, "i have a paying patient that wants to end her pregnancy." If it really is about eugenics, give me the criteria that MODERN DAY abortionist doctors use to separate the people in which only the "bad" people are allowed to have abortions, and the "good" people can't since we need those genes in the gene pool. WHERE is this criteria if it's still an engine for eugenics?
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
You know, i'd like to think our society isn't so morally corrupt that they go, "Oh i got pregnant... shit, lets fry the fetus's brains out." and then they do that 10 times in a row.
In fact, if you've talked to women who do get abortions, many of whom i've talked to seem to feel REALLY REALLY bad about it. There are moral consequences, it's not something that people generally take likely in my experience. Do you really think people take pleasure in having an abortion?
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
"You know, i'd like to think our society isn't so morally corrupt that they go, 'Oh i got pregnant... shit, lets fry the fetus's brains out.' and then they do that 10 times in a row."
Hey, I'd like to think that too! The fact of the matter, however, is that many DON'T. The average # of women(that get an abortion)will have AT LEAST 2 more in their lifetime. I've also said, however, that many women are both physically(& emotionally) scarred by abortion as well. Many will feel guilty for years.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
Do I think they get pleasure out of it? No. They are just so selfish, that they put their own convienience over the baby's life. Some women out there either A) don't feel bad about it or B) have had so many abortions that they no longer care.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
Somehow, i don't think selfishness is what goes through their minds when they decide to do the abortion. If anything i think it's more of a "Damned if i do, damned if i don't" situation.
There's also women out there who only have one and feel extremely guilty about it and women who never have one anyway, but have the choice should the need arise. What is your point?
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
My POINT is, that you've largely painted abortion as something that women get because they HAVE to; You've painted it as something that many women struggle with. I was simply stating that SOME women have a hard time w/it, while many could care less. My figures, btw, come from gvmnt studies themselves.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
fair enough with the government studies. I didn't mean to say that abortion is a necessary evil, i meant to say that i think the option should exist based on the fact that society doesn't cater to every want and necessity of every human in said society. Mistakes happen, and i think the proverbial reset button should exist because of that. The second society does cater to everyone regardless of circumstances, then i'd see no reason to have abortions. That's what i'm trying to say.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
"Mistakes happen, and i think the proverbial reset button should exist because of that."
I understand what you're saying (& in other situations would agree). The thing that is that it is permanent; a woman cannot decide that she made a mistake and bring that child back. Society does not, nor should they, cater to every human need, but the right to "life (liberty, and the pursuit of happiness)" is supposed to be guaranteed in our constitution. Our problem, as a country, is one of p.c. thinking.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
(continued)We want to guarantee the "rights" (often instituted-rather than interpreted-by judges in this country) of one person/group, over the rights of another. This actually creates an unfair advantage, and leads to other problems. We tend to let the pendulum swing too far & go way overboard, instead of implementing laws that will benefit people equally (or at least one that will have some positives for everyone).
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
*Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness addressed in the bill of rights and interpreted in the constitution..in various forms.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
i could guess that's what you're referring to ;P
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
"rights" are an illusion. They simply don't exist. They're ideals that people would like that they hold true, but really they're privileges that we happen to have until the people with guns that run the show decide to take them back as it has been demonstrated time and time again throughout history.
laws always take away freedoms and rights. How do you intend to preserve rights and freedoms by taking them away? What law doesn't have a negative for SOMEONE?
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
Freedom of Speech..upheld. Right to bare arms..well, I agree w/you there. If Obama has his way, there won't be a gunshop w/in 5 miles of a school (which will virtually eliminate them, as there is virtually noplace less than 5 miles from SOME school). At least Obama didn't flip-flop like McCain-however-which is why I voted for him. Right to remain silent..upheld. When I say the rights should benefit all, I don't just mean convienence(abortion). We will never please everyone in this country, we
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
should-at least-try to please the majority though.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
I disagree that we should please the majority since the vast majority is largely ignorant about large bodies of information vital to our shared continued survival and WILLFULLY IGNORANT on much larger bodies of information. If there's one thing that history has shown time and time again is that the masses aren't logical and will time and time again choose horrible decisions based on emotional impulses much to everyone else on the fringe's dismay. It is why even though i'm... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
(cont.) ... an anarchist, i don't think anarchy even has a chance in hell right now without an entirely revamped educational system as i don't think the masses are intelligent enough to even handle the notion of not having big brother behind their shoulders. Until people can logic their way out of a wet paper bag, we shouldn't necessarily do what the masses want or what will please them, because back in the day, that meant enslaving black people.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
Freedom of speech is here in america for now. That'll change the second the circumstances change. Don't think for a second that the ideals of TRUE freedom of speech have been upheld across the board. They haven't.
I doubt it, the issue of guns is largely inconsequential to political candidates. In fact, i'd be hard pressed to believe that Obama gives a rat's ass about guns in general anyway. Not like ANYONE pays attention to issues in political campaigns anyway. It's a... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
Well, you've written a mouthful here, so I'll summarize my answers I wish they'd make the comment boxes bigger too). I agree w/you, regarding Republicans & Democrats. I'm actually non-affiliated myself. I can't stand either party. Anarchy is ridiculous though; it would never work, b/c everyone would interperet their "rights" differently. If I thought I should have the right to take something(and another thought I should not)there would be no rules-under an anarchist system, to keep those actions
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
(continued)from occuring. As far as the "majority being ignorant," I'd disagree. Yes, the public can be fickle & easily led, but people also have common sense (and, generally, align on key issues). How else would many of the laws-that we DO have- pass? B/C this majority feels a certain way on a # of issues, we as a society, should pass laws/legislation and give the majority what they ask for.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
That's exactly why i don't think the world is ready for anarchy.
Laws get passed, taken down, and then passed again all the time and throughout the course of history.
When the majority felt that slavery was just fine, does that mean it was alright back then? That it was justified? The majority wanted it. It was a thriving practice.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
Anarchy, in my opinion, would never work because of the tendencies of humans in general. We all break the rules sometimes, and w/o some set of rules, we would have nothing but problems. What I am saying is, despite our flawed system, most people feel the same way about certain acts. Rape, Murder, molestation(especially)are despised by nearly all people on a gut level. This is how those laws came to pass in the 1st place. This is also why most juries will have similar findings on certain crimes.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
well if we break the rules even if they're set, then doesn't that make the rules moot to begin with? That is to say if we break them despite them existing.
Also, if we all intrinsically feel that rape, murder and molestation is wrong on a gut/instinctual level, then aren't rules against such things redundant?
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
"Also, if we all intrinsically feel that rape, murder and molestation is wrong on a gut/instinctual level, then aren't rules against such things redundant?"
If there weren't people in this world that did not have a conscious (or lacked instinctual feelings that performing a certain act is wrong), then I would agree wholeheartedly. The fact remains, however, that there are those who do not care and will take a life for another's shoes. I would say the majority of people do feel that these things
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
(continued) are wrong. That's why these laws have been set. That's also why many religions have been formed. True that many believe a god or gods would want them to act a certain way, but where does that thought come from in the 1st place? Not every widespread belief is right, but I do feel that many people DO oppose widespread beliefs that are wrong (even if they don't oppose it outwardly..or are afraid to speak their minds due to persecution).
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
(cont.)... popularity contest at it's core and both the republicans and the democrats are anything BUT about the issues. You get to decide which evil controls the country, most people think they're choosing a lesser evil, but no, you're choosing the same evil since both parties are largely antiquated anyway! It's about who gets sold on the media and who takes the most bribes from private interests. NOTHING to do with issues. Not a damned thing. That means gun control. It's inconsequential.
Bluedragon094 3 years ago
Oh as for the right to remain silent, that's what police brutality is for. Nothing quite like beating the information out of someone right?
Rights are an illusion. What i mean by that is that the people who control the guns will allow you to have "rights" as long as it doesn't interfere with what they want. They might let it slide a little bit, but they'll strip it right away the second it become inconvenient, or did we not intern the japanese into camps during WW2? Or did we... (cont.)
Bluedragon094 3 years ago