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  • i think that your power suply neg connection is 0v and pos is 20 vand your motor preduces on the neg side -20v and pos side +20v. am i right? thats the only explanation i can think of.

  • @npnk1

    This one is interesting because the meter on the power supply measures the voltage over the load no mater what you set the supply at. So if you had a 12 volt battery on the supply and the supply was set to 6 volts the readout would say 12 v. So In my opinion the supply isn't capable of putting out 40 volts even if a sensing circuit was trying to tell it to do so. If I put a diode in the positive side the voltage measures 40 v on the motor side and the readout says 20 v.

    John

  • @npnk1

    This one is interesting because the meter on the power supply measures the voltage over the load no mater what you set the supply at. So if you had a 12 volt battery on the supply and the supply was set to 6 volts the readout would say 12 v. So In my opinion the supply isn't capable of putting out 40 volts even if a sensing circuit was trying to tell it to do so. If I put a diode in the positive side the voltage measures 40 v on the motor side and the readout says 20 v.

    John

  • BEAUTIFUL MOTOR:-) IVE BEEN WORKING ON A MOTOR/GENERATOR COMBO UNIT MYSELF. I MADE A SWITCH THAT USES A CARPENTER PENCIL AND A BRASS COATED PAPER BINDER. IT HAS A LEVER ARM FOR FINE TUNING. THE ARMATURE WEIGHS 4 POUNDS. IT RUNS FOR ABOUT 1 - 2 HOURS ON AN OLD LITHIUM-ION CELL PHONE BATTERY. AT AROUND 150 - 250 RPM, (DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF BATTERY I USE).

    I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT ELECTRONICS BUT I AM TRYING TO SEEK HELP IN LEARNING EXACTLY HOW TO MAKE USE OF THE BACK EMF. PLEASE HELP.:-)

  • Hello, I am very impressed of your work. I have watched many time to your videos. After many times i watched and tried something myself, I can tell you my opinion. Whenever you switch on any coil you would have kickback power. This kickback power is free energy that we were always wasted. So in this bedini circuit, kick back as charging feedback. in your case you are using power supply that it is stepping down power from the wall 50 hz something. your motor feedback generating square pulses back

  • @living4game

    Yes at first I thought it was the power supply sensing circuit running away because of the unusual voltage trying to return through the input, but I used a blocking diode between the motor and PS and then measured 20 v on the PS while have 40 v on the side between the diode and motor. If I could produce the same event without the PS then I might have something.

    John

  • @DadHav :) my previous post was not complated, When I was writing out of limit and page jumped and lost my message. Your motors square wave feedback pulses effecting transformator into the power suply 2 ways. one of them high speed pulses reacting back the transformator, second effect is extra voltage added into the supply. But you may know anyway. I have done some square wave pulse kickback power generator experiment afew times. result is promising without any rotor and moving part.

  • @DadHav You have done very beatiful job. I think you have something really achieved. But You also should try with solidstate generator using similar circuit , just added square wave generator instead of rotor you will use with nice troid core coil. Your circuit will generate very high speed square wave pulses and you will get thousands of volt kickback other step is teslas coil with that hundred tousand volts of shock voltages last job is the step down and use the power.

  • @living4game

    Yes I know what you're saying. I've made PWM circuits and used them to drive ignition coils. Yep. Lot's of volts there for sure.

    John

  • I thought I knew alot about motors till i started watching your videos. the windings on your window motor looks pretty unusual to me. Whats that all about?

  • bdrman2004

    The window motor is very interesting and easy to make. The coil is made of 3 windings. 2 are thinner wires and used as triggers. each of the two sense the north or south poles of the rotor. They generate a voltage which trigger the heavier power coil which drives the rotor. There is a collected feed back circuit which captures any energy that can be fed back to the power source. The coil receives 6 pulses of alternate polarity per revolution.

    John

  • wow the bearings in this window motor are very smooth.. haha

  • Hello down there. The bearings could actually be better, These are stainless races with ceramic balls. Unfortunately they can hold magnetism. I need to spring for some full ceramic's but don't want to spend the money. If I have any further breakthroughs I probably will.

    John

  • Hi John, I think you know me by now do you think that you window motor would work in my invention? Look at my latest video, Over Unity 18 to power the clutches with a very efficient motor to make power in the coils that I am going to make soon? Mike

  • Hi Mike. I don't thing the WM is the right answer. I have seen your last video and you continue to impress me. I think a big diameter outrunner with a low KV rating like used for R/C airplanes might be a better choice. 3 phase and no brushes. More stuff to set up to get going though. Just my opinion. See my video (powerful hand made motor)

    John

  • I can't wait to see your next follow up video becasue i think the only way to prove if your voltage is doubling... is to actually disconect the power supply and use a supercapacitor... the supercapacitor already gives out 2volts by itself so when you use the bipolar switch it should double its voltage and store the volts like a capacitor does... this would create a loop of power

    try it i think you are very onto something!!!

    Hydrostudy

  • Im having trouble finding a sequenchal bi-polar circuit diagram, could you direct me to one please?

  • OK, after more time, thought and reading I think your window motor is working EXACTLY as JB intended!

    A battery will not show double voltage, it will tend to charge... or stop discharging! I bet if you got some real Bedini experts on here they would tell you it is working at (or very near) UNITY.

    I like your neutral skeptic's attitude, but sometimes it could be a hindrance to seeing what might possibly just be SUCCESS!

    EXCELLENT Work, IMO your power supply is not tricked into doing anything.

  • electrician

    I've put a diode between the power supply and the circuit. This keeps the PS at 20 volts. but I still read 40 volts after the diode. If I put a small capacitor across the the circuit input it charges to 40 volts and the motor speeds up again. The power supply remains at a 20 volt reading, but the current goes up. Maybe I should make a follow up video. This all might be associated with a change in tuning or something. I need a few new batteries to experiment with.

    John

  • electrician725

    Yes, I think also the power supply is operating at 20 volts but the meter reading shows the extra voltage returning to the input, A scope reading shows a straight line at 20 volts with a strange wave form going another 20 volts above the voltage from the power supply. The power supply can't be putting out a trace like this. It must come from the motor. I think the readout is doing what it should do. Reading voltage, not necessarily from the supply alone.

    John

  • Hi,

    I think You need run ti on a DIY 2V Lead acid cell built from two plates of lead (fishing lead?) in a glass jarr of sulphuric acid (bough on a gassstation)?

    Then, with a micro sized L.A. cell @2V we shall see if match or cigar?

  • Mr. Cest73, I think there still might be something here that I'm missing. With the diode in the power supply circuit, I could still get the motor to accelerate by putting a small capacitor across the circuit after the diode. You may have a point about the basic LAB tests. I have been ready to try a test like this and have all the materials except a safe vessel to contain the acid. I'm sure to get that stuff all over the place.

    John

  • How about a nice glass jar of mustard (or mayo) nicely tied air tight and with two acrylic supports inside for the plates.

    The plates might be spiral?

    The supports could be cam like?

    I don't know?

    ;-)

    best regards.

  • awesome 5***** great job =)

  • Sorry about the order of my comment:

    3-4 From what I can see in the Bedini sequential bipolar circuit

    it is only an H Bridge where the clamping diodes are rerouted to collect the freewheeling current.

    I believe you are adjusting the PWM ration when you reach the maximum voltage output!

  • Yes on the adjustment. I tested further with a 37,000 cap across the PS also a diode on the plus side of the supply. Voltage was normal before the diode and stayed that way this time. Voltage after the diode was about 70 volts. The scope showed an unusual square type wave not typical of what you would expect. A small cap on the motor side increased the speed of the motor again. Reading on the PS stayed at 20 volts, but the current went up a little.

    John

  • 1-4 Hello,

    I do acknowledge the beautiful handy work done to build your experiments. Your experience uses simple electronics principles which can explain all the observed phenomena. First of all if you wish to investigate further you could use a power meter to check the efficiency of your device but only a very expensive one (Powerscope) could give you a definite answer. I would not rely on a cheap wattmeter due to the high frequency used in your H Bridge.

  • Dlode. Thanks for the compliment. I have tested further and agree on most of your points. However, With the motor running under 2k RPM's and firing three times per revolution, I hardly think we are talking about high frequency in the pulse circuit. I don't need expensive equipment to find my wattage. I simply measure the voltage drop rate of the battery with a 6 digit meter, then substitute the motor with an equivalent load resistor. Then use ohms law or measure without the pulse circuit

    J.

  • 2-4 Let assume you can get your hand on one and it will have to do. Second of all, your Lambda power supply is likely to be a single quadrant supply. It can not absorb reverse current. As your inverter circuit generates inductive current in your motor coil it can not go anywhere, increasing the voltage (u=L*di/dt). By increasing the voltage across the power supply you make your motor running faster. The only thing you may achieve is to blow your Lambda.

  • Yes. Roger that on the poser supply. Others have expressed the same opinion. I think it was getting tricked now myself. I've changed the description of the video and will adjust my comments from this point on. I may even pull the video, but I've learned a few things about what's going on since. I'm not sure how far I want to go with this project anymore.

    John

  • 4-4 The result of your experiment may look impressive but use a simple wattmeter and add a large capacitor (let say 10 000µF + couples of ceramic ones) across your power supply power supply and your experiment would look very plain. It is also likely that the power drain on the battery would increase.

    Take care.

  • Dlode. Did that by advice from the OU forum. Yes, slightly boring in comparison. But, the voltage from the bridge is not like a standard generator effect. With the circuit active the voltage is about three times what it generates at the same speed with it off. With a timing change I can get the 3-400 volt spikes that are sought after for battery charging experiments. I can light the CFL bulbs with the SSG circuit. I enjoy your input. You're welcome as long as we can have a polite conversation

    J

  • I think that you are dealing with collapsed voltage and its messing up the power supply. Try to connect it to a cap and charge it up run the motor, flip the switch, then run it only on the cap. That way there is no other voltage supply

  • You could be right. I've had several good suggestions on how to get some answers. I'm going to try them all after the Holiday and see what happens. A good suggestion was to put a watt meter on the line side of the power supply to see if the amperage goes up there when the motor goes up in current and voltage. If not then it would show the power is coming from the motor right?

    John

  • There's a switch on the power supply for an amp readout?

    Why not record that data, and calculate Watts...

    Energy = Watts

  • put an auto timed off and on switch, let it run 1 second and then shut it of for 2 seconds, wait till it reaches full speed then measure the generated current when it is in run down mode while in the off position, compare run down current when off against run time current, see if you can get more energy out this way.

    on 1sec spin up

    off 2sec spin down

    on 1sec spin up

    off 2sec spin down

    repeat cycle over and over.

  • I don't know. but that gives me an idea. Maybe it would be worth a try in a charging application.

    John

  • Hi I have experienced the same effect but not as dramatic as yours.I connected a 0-24v dc model train controller to my window motor and as I hit 24v it then stepped up to 29v with increase in speed left it running for a hour with no change.Havn't been able to replicate as at moment only half my circuit working. The capacitor I use is the one Rick supplies with his kits.

  • That's very good to hear. I was hoping that I didn't have a single person anomaly. If you ever figure out what is going on with the effect, pleas let me know, especially if you can duplicate the effect with something other than the power supply.

    Good Luck

    John

  • Hi DadHav, long time viewer, first time commenter (LOL!)

    I know a bit about Bedini theory, that is a really good indicator that something really neat is going on! I would like to see what happens with a big capacitor or a cap/battery combo, as you might remember Bedini's Self-Runner window motor used a capacitor only. Caps can buffer a circuit, smoothing out spikes (like Bedini technology produces) and return them as usable voltages. Impedance matching would be a big help probably.

    Nice Work :)

  • Hello. I've been trying some of those ideas and so far can't get the same results. Maybe I'll figure it out eventually.

    John

  • the supply may have a Capacitor at the output that is overcharged

  • Flor, Yes, I'm sure about that. It would be likely to be the only way the voltage can go that high. I would expect you could use the 40 volts at a certain rate before the capacitor will start to go down. I should add a load and make some additional tests.

    Thanks

    John

  • Hi DadHav,

    :-)

    Could You somehow show the output side of the power supply?

    Could You test run it off a L.A.B?

  • Mr. Cest, Does 73 mean you are 73 years old? (smile) Kidding aside: I think I know someone who has a schematic. I could not get the same result from the LAB. Maybe if I can add something to the battery to have the same impedance as the power supply. I could however charge large capacitors quickly to the voltage shown on the PS readout. I have to check again but I think I can use 40 volts to power something else while the supply is still putting out 20. I need to check again to make sure.

    John

  • Ah Mr.DadHav44 ;-), no I'm actually 73 feet tall. Imagine the trouble I go trough everytime I knot my shoes...

    (kidding)

    (it's my build year)

    The L.A.B. has detectable impedance - use a match (but no cigar ;-) )

  • Does the amp draw change when its running in feedback as compared to no feedback?

  • Hello Tony. Yes the current also goes up. If it didn't I would really be getting excited about the experiment. Although it does seam to support the theory that voltage returns along the input path to the supply.

    John

  • hey, its still an awesome effect to see the motor's RPMs and voltage rise like that. Try charging battery?

    p.s. great craftsmanship, keep up the good work!

  • I did try a battery. It only works with the supply. If I can match the impedance of the power supply while having a battery in the circuit then I may get somewhere. I need to get a schematic for the PS if I can. It may help if I can see the components in the output circuit.

    John

  • This is the standard Bedini sequential bipolar circuit. If you google that or Bedini you will find it.

    John

  • Nice... where can one find the feedback schematic? Thanks for sharing!

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