Mankind cannot be equalized in mind and body simply by uplinking to the great interwebs that is Helios.
Life cannot "go on as usual". Because people are born with innate differences in each other. A person can be smarter than others, stronger than others. You're going to have to do more than connect everyone to the interwebs/Helios. You also have to make it so everyone is on the same page intellectually, etc. etc.
@DestructoMonkey "Mankind cannot be equalized in mind and body simply by uplinking to the great interwebs that is Helios."
Yep, and that's why the plan *wasn't* just to uplink with helios. At 1:45 in the vid: "Address the flaws in human nature. Make all beings truly equal in both body and mind".
The augs required to uplink to helios also included the kinds of physical and mental augs that JC had, eliminating or at least massively reducing the stratification in society.
this is so supid they forget the most basic need to fight to resist what we are told and fight what we do not understand is that we need to fight ost basic phyical and mental need is odd but we have to fight for things to change when we get up off our ass even if its only in a single guy or girls head
The entire first game JC fought to end corporate pigs who want to silently dictate the world. Here he wants to make everyone a mellowed out nano zombie. Mite as well just let the illuminati rule :/
@vilescythe24 I see you point but the Illuminati had their chance and they screwed up…badly. They don’t deserve a second chance. I’d be willing to go with JC/Helios because if nothing else, it hadn’t been tried before.
@luked1983 It's stunning how there always few people out there that deliberately misinterpret JC/Helios modding everyone for a democratic government into something that's not.
Saying something is Communist/socialist/Marxist is nothing but ad hominem it tells me you didn't have a point to make.
The problem with Communism is a) it lacks incentive for people to work hard and innovate (equality of outcome), b)it's overwhelmingly costly to force people to behave correct and c) the people in charge end up becoming as bad as those they sought to replace, or even worse. In the JC/Helios proposal these problems don't exist. It is a perfect democracy, with policy based on all available information.
Granted I haven't played it, but it looks like it has solid gameplay, somewhat of a good story and "decent" plot elaboration. Not bad on dialogue either, I guess.
It's not as jam-packed as the first, but then again, a sequel has a lot to live up to. I'd say this is a semi-proper sequel to Deus Ex, purely at a glance, but I suppose I'll have to play it, won't I? :)
@Metroid225 i've never considered Invisible War as being "bad", but there are some choices they made during development that simply should not have been made. The most notable are these:
-All weapons sharing ammunition. How is that logical? Either you get to choose to shoot one rocket or several pistol shots, not both.
-Less augs (limits replayability)
-No skill system
Other than that, the way they simplified the game just made it... not as epic. Like smaller maps and no pressing of buttons.
@Metroid225 and with buttons I mean the keypads. I liked having a little notepad with the codes and logs and stuff, even though I didn't use it very often. The thing about the first Deus Ex I liked is the stuff they put in that most probably wouldn't take part in, like reading longer books and picking "bad" skills (like swimming). It gives the player a choice. For me it felt like Invisible War constantly tried to take me by the hand and say "This is what you are supposed to do." Not as cool.
This was the best scene in the game imo. But you're right, IW wasn't 'bad', it just wasn't Deus Ex. I'd say it's an 87% going by PC Gamer standards, which is a long way from 95% that DE deserved.
1) your flaws are upgraded, eyesight not so bad, yours is augmented, so on for strength everything, with universal mods noone is left behind everyone has the ability to be the most they can be
2) government is controlled by the AI Helios that can essentially read your opinions, moods, attitudes at any time, as such it basically polls the entire human race on what the people want whenever a decision is needed, it can tailor its policies and plans
Hm. When people spoke of free flow of information I always thought they just meant no laws and governments hiding it, but come to think of it they might have referred to this here concept of everyone knowing what everyone else knows.
His plan is quite fascinating. Essentially, he is turning the concept of Mercerism from ''Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?'' into reality. I love some of the political talks in these games. The bartender in Hong Kong from the first game comes to mind.
The idea of equality stems from marxist ideology, and is completely impossible, impractical, and unethical.
Think about it. If everyone is equal, everyone is exactly the same. There are just x billion of the same person on the planet.
There is a reason Evolution seeks biodiversity, in genetics, in species, in life circumstances and choices. Our differences are what give rise to so many different outlooks on life, ideas, and ultimately, progress and innovation.
Do we really need poverty, the uneducated or the bigoted, to fuel progress and innovation?
Is it unethical to give those people the same quality of life as us, the same access to education?
Giving them all internet access so they could research and debate the issues with the rest of us?
Because that is essentially the plan here. Improve the flow of information between individuals, give everyone equal access to education and equal voting rights. Not to make identical zombies.
@Cha4k First question. It depends. What fuels innovation? Competition. What creates competition? Desire and motivation. Do these factors contribute to that? Maybe, maybe not. The other issues arent really ethical impasses as much as it is logistical impossiblitites. There simply isn't enough wealth in the world to do that.
My main problem with the JC plan is it doesn't really address human issues. It would be unrealisitc to imagine the end of war and bigotry just because of a mass merger.
@Cha4k No, no, and no, but the ends do not justify the means. It also doesn't really allow for much innovation or exceptionalism seeing how everyone is "equal," more over the idea that seperation of powers "thwarted ambition of individuals" is vague, if by "ambitions" he means people like him and the Templars than yes. And the solution JC has making philosophies such as marxisim work isn't justifiable as it will surpress human emotion to make the world perfect.
@flatiou Deus Ex canon ending: JC merges with Helios and the global network is brought down anyway (the Collapse). Everett brings Chad and Nicolette into the Illuminati.
So, the JC/Helios merger is incomplete. Tracer Tong and Paul Denton found Apostle Corp to help complete the merger. JC goes to Antarctica with the grays to decide on how to rule the world.
Watch "Shido534" walk-through of Deus Ex: Invisible War for the details or go to the Deus Ex Wiki.
@Doublicon that opinion sound a little flawed imagine a system with equality,consensus, wisdom and knowledge and above all choice the system may not be perfect but it may be better than the so called "democracy" that we have now
@bpeterdude316 I don't know.. the system sounds good on paper, but how can an A.I construct truly understand and care for human beings when it isn't one? JC Denton is only half of the being, he said himself he and Helios are one being. Who says he has the ability to make the distinction between a fair act and a logical one? Besides all that, the idea that you could legislate a single set of laws for the entire world is ludicrous, input would be radically different between different cultures.
I notice you're using John P's High Rex DX:IW Textures. I tried installing it tonight, and while the installation took fine I found myself gazing at a blank screen for minutes on end until I CTRL + ALT + DEL'd my way out of the game. It only ever worked once, and that was by pure accident. Have you ever experienced this problem? And if so, what did you do to fix it?
"Pure Democracy" is "Pure Mob Rule". There is nothing sophisticated about it. It isn't the collective intelligence of society, rather its collective greed.
So what happens to Ambrosia distribution.Because JC went into coma so obviously he couldnt do anything more than making home for grays.Then what happened to the world?people died because of gray death?I know Savage got the Universal Constructor and a cure but since Bob Page wasnt dead,MJ12 still lives.Then the distribution of Ambrosia probably wasnt so easy because MJ12 and Illuminati kept fighting.So.......what happened of people?did population got reduced?
@JCDenton112788 Remember the canon ending from Deus Ex that DE: Invisible War is based on. JC Denton totally defeats MJ12 and takes over Area 51 when he kills Page and merges with Helios. JC Denton does not go into the coma immediately after the merger. He is around long enough to found Apostle Corp and ally himself with Grays. The Illuminati most likely distributed the Gray Death cure without JCs help (Chad and Nicolette under guidance from Everett most likely did it).
@JCDenton112788 As far as I know, the world population is never stated in Deus Ex. In Invisible War, it’s 10 billion so I don’t know if there was a drop in population.
@Rashaed I think i remember some character in Deus EX saying "Government is doing this to get rid of the population" i think he was a bum but not so sure but some1 said that for sure.And in Deus EX:Invisible War i am 100% sure I found a datacube which was saying "What happened to Bob Page is unknown".I am soo sure.
I think i found what datacube in the level where we teleport at Gray's home(snow everywhere).I disagree when you said there was no population but agree on Chad and Nicolette concept
@JCDenton112788 The NSF leader in the statue said "I think the government made the plague on purpose, to get rid of the population growth." That's not true. Everette made it and Page turned it into a bio-weapon. Still, no number on the world population was given. I assume between 7 to 9 billion.
Also, Warren Spector of Ion Storm (developer) said Page was dead.
@TheNarkist No, absolutely not. and if you have Fraps running to do anything(Like framrate, screenshots, or movies) it will switch to your desktop on load, then switch back to the game and then do a loading screen. You go through loading screens a lot, and I mean A LOT. It's not as good as the original at all.
@AtheistTower Actually Invisible war was *dumbed down* alot it didnt have the same charm as the first but IMO it did have the catch of some of the stuff from the old one i could still enjoy it but it didnt feel as great as DX 1
@Byrnzi360 They sound a lot better than a Big Brother scenario, an apocalypse or descending back into the dark ages.
I will give him credit - He realized a society is, basically, only as good as the people within. Humanity as it is now is simply not designed for civilization. We're designed for survival in the wild and evolution hasn't caught up.
I don't know. I find IW much more interesting that part one. It sucks in two areas for me: the levels could have been much bigger (but thanks to bad engine they are not) and the textures are taken from crappy console version(there is retexture mod however).
I find part 2 to be very deep, very stylish, very interesting to replay.
JCD path was true one, as it is same to omar, with everyone being totally open, but in contrast - they retained personality.
@elbucimar He doesn't actually make a distinction, necessarily. It's possible for multiple entities to be distinct yet unified. You are an example, as am I. We all are. The human brain is composed of individual components that are all responsible for different functions (managing relationships, making decisions, etc.), and consciousness is the emergent result. JC/Helios is the same story; a unified entity with identifiable components but lacking separate consciousness.
Everyone No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only reason for this in pending Doom Is Icarus. You must remember if they had firth in Humans or rather if it had firth in us.
Daedalus never foresaw the complete lose of individual human right for the greater good of man. Yes, both A.I.'s worked to save and foresee the future, but what kind of future. I say all of the endings are awful. The best move or play is to prevent the lose of any fraction. Daedalus would seen that move. I did. The main c
@lemons604 I agree, the endings were a real disappointment compared to the first game. In the first one, you had decent arguments by the characters as to why you should end the game in each of the three possible ways.
Tocqueville? Tocqueville lamented the many shortcomings of the modern democratic model. You simply cannot quote him to support the ultimate tyranny of the majority.
@Sharkey3331 Neither. Think about it. It's socialist ideology. It's not good or evil, it's about a philosophy that benefits humanity as a whole and does not cater to any single person, specifically. Whether you, yourself, thinks good or bad of that philosophy is your own idea, but the idea itself is quite neutral. It is equality in its purest form.
they ruined deus ex by making it 3rd person. just look at the new one! they did the same goddamn thing with red faction too! they also ruined deus ex by taking JC out
JC's plan is self-righteous imposing on the rest of the world. but it's "better" than the other endings. the Omar ending is dumb because killing the leaders should have resulted in a more open ending. I am a Denton, and if the game went on, i would have continued down my own path, just like JC did. teaming up with Leo, and the conversation in Cairo lead you to believe that the Omar are a bad choice too. so why is there not such an ending?
i mean, since when will sharing your thoughts with everyone solve problems? how exactly will helios solve this? how exactly will it deal with crime, and decide what is right or what is wrong? It's an AI construct. no matter how intelligent the game presents it, it is still one construct with its own "opinion", while each person in the world has its standards on what is right and what is wrong. thus helios can only be another despot, and the solution it offers is selfish, a god kind of thing
it's virtually impossible. the idea of helios means that people would share their constructive ideas to solve problems,but what about the billion of other human thoughts, drives? what about the individual issues, complexes, fears, anxieties? the clashes in opinions? what about those that defy helios? what is this social plan that helios will conduct to truly make itself the perfect government? this ending oversimplifies society and human mind, and therefore is impossible. it really is an Utopia.
Playing Deus Ex again with J.C, I just noticed that the whole game was actually J.C on the way of learning about humanity (depends how you play), but during the gameplay you learn about other people's misfortune, political philosophy, corruption of people with power. So it makes sense when you play this scene in Deus Ex 2 and his idea of "Benevolent dictatorship"... J.C is like Jesus Christ, being quite human but on the same time with power to change and wisdom.
I believe that while the initial intention is for Helios to communicate with the people (to find and sovle their problems etc), I reckon that communication is a two way street and that helios/JCDenton would start communicating back, transmitting their values for a utopia society. Even if this is done on a subtle level, any message continually repeated would change the subconcious (similar to Sovereign in Mass Effect).
@KillerKoala56 While not a bad thing (as you would have equality, no crime or a truly effective judicial system, productivity, resources being used effectively and sustainably) you would lose a certain freedom of choice as your mind had been conditioned (like in Clockwork Orange). Then again, society conditions everyones mind differently depending on chance events of each persons life experience, so maybe controlled conditioning might be better for humanity - in the end, i choose JC ending
This may be a stretch but isn't a global democracy kinda like facebook in the sense that nearly everyone's person opinion is shared and monitored? Just putting that out there.
Kind of, except not everyone is a part of Facebook, and theres no connecting factor between people to help break down the barriers involved, whereas J.C. acts as a sort of mental conduit for the people, and finally, Facebook is a social site, it has no form of legal potency whatsoever.
@WeaponOfMyDestructio But the premise of JC's plan is that ALL humans everywhere are connected, and all humans are involved in the 'instantaneous democracy'. "Helios will communicate, not assimilate." When all humans are in a lucid and receptive state, and put on an equal stance, they are able to sort through modern problems with ease. Facebook is not a very good analogy, as the users are not all of one psuedo-consciousness.
Humans have the freedom of will, just not privacy. They are observed and known at all times, their beliefs and thoughts shared amongst everyone at all times. In such a way society could allow communication between individuals across all nations, an interconnected world. in this way, there would be crime, no treachery, no war, just peace and everyones ideas used to form the basis of government. Its a perfect democracy, giving everyone what they want.
@Rashaed That's something I hadn't really considered. Throughout the game JC is discussing democracy with the philosophical bartenders. If Helios merged with Page, then you'd probably have the iron fist dictator.
Playing God with human nature and 'fixing it' with computers, machines, and AIs sounds more like a nightmare than progress. It's just JC has a very 'reasonable' way of putting it.
You can make any abhorrent idealogy sound 'reasonable' if you try hard enough.
What I really want to know is, is there really any boundary to where Helios begins and Denton ends, or vice versa? It seems that he's more AI than human anymore, given the way he talks and what he says (the substance of it, the scope, the analysis, the thought put into it), but then again, it seems like his concern for the welfare of humanity is something that would be hard for an artificial AI construct like Helios to develop and display. Any thoughts?
J.C. and Helios are merged, one conciousness born of a combination of two. While Helios may have a greater influence due to it being a powerful A.I., it lacked crucial factors, such as humanity, in it. That was why it needed J.C., and J.C. needed it to come up with a better solution for controlling the world, as he stated; 'I needed the Helios merger in order to contemplate the problem effectively.'
I played a game called Deus Ex Invisible War, I think this is it in this vid. I picked it up for original x-box for $2. It was one of the best games I've ever played.
@Rashaed I beat both games, and I know something you don't. Helios is not talking nor is JC for both this clip and the whole game. At this point, In the story they are both probably gone ...maybe dead. You see in the first game Icarus "the A. I. made by bob page to replace Daedalus and create a ordered world" copy itself on to JC, so When it was attacked by Daedalus It would live on in full inside JC; then during attack both A. I.'s tried to combine and take over the other thus was Helios a
@lemons604 merged Icarus and Daedalus. Both A.I.'s were death locked. You see the different between the two A.I.'s was that Daedalus had no order to order the world. I mean control diversely and individuality; however, Icarus did have that order, and that was the key you see.The part of Icarus that live on in Helios created a situation, so that JC would likely merge with Helios. Daedalus was sure that JC would help It over come Icarus and its order to order the world as JC never wanted a order
@lemons604 ed world, so Daedalus helped. This is why Icarus is the talking. When JC merged with Helios at the end of the first game a full copy of Icarus took over JC, ..the hurt part of Daedalus, and the hurt other part of Icarus. ( or just Helios) Leaving just Icarus, That why there was such a great change in JC. Because, it is Icarus. And why he had errors in this game. (AND BY HE I MEAN ICARUS) Icarus the full program was trapped in JC because Daedalus was never full destroyed.
@lemons604 You see Daedalus merge its code with everything that would let it, because it was it trying to order the world. Even with its core infected by Icarus for lack of a better term. Icarus could not fool the anything that ones had Daedalus (or it code or part of it code or all of it code) inside of it. I believe base on everything in game that there is still some form of Daedalus at play in the story even at the end of the game. This is also why Icarus destroyed area 51. This would pe
@lemons604 rvent any copies of Daedalus from forming a core and cripple Daedalus ability to make the world safe, productive, aid the world, and protect individuality. (It saw protect individuality as making the world safe, productive, and aid for the world.) You see when Icarus went to china where there was little computer infrastructure it was to hind and to do everything to fool Daedalus and weaken it. Basically Icarus engineered the collapse to destroy the infrastructure of the previous wor
@lemons604 ld to kill Daedalus. But it failed and Daedalus was able to block Icarus from copying itself on to other augmented - people without a intermittent of Daedalus and if you follow me so far you know the only way to win the second game is to back no side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and do nothing to change the situation until Daedalus can help.
How do you know that he wasn't one already? And if you call him a philosophy professor, I'd wonder what you'd think if you actually met one. The intellectual human has time to read philosophy in between what he does for a living. It's not something difficult as you make it to be.
@ScarletSnake He was created in a giant tube under Area 51 and given to humans to raise, and then trained by Unatco/MJ12 and then disappears carrying out Tong's plan and joining Helios. Where along that line is he to study Philosophy. Rashaed is right, here its Helios speaking not JC. Way to take a video game personally though.
makes perfect sense to me. i like this plan.
thecomfiestchair 1 week ago
i never made DX-IW Texture Pack to work, it aways make the models lost all textures .
This game was great. I love the 3 deus ex'es as whole
1300l 2 weeks ago
Mankind cannot be equalized in mind and body simply by uplinking to the great interwebs that is Helios.
Life cannot "go on as usual". Because people are born with innate differences in each other. A person can be smarter than others, stronger than others. You're going to have to do more than connect everyone to the interwebs/Helios. You also have to make it so everyone is on the same page intellectually, etc. etc.
DestructoMonkey 3 weeks ago
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@DestructoMonkey "Mankind cannot be equalized in mind and body simply by uplinking to the great interwebs that is Helios."
Yep, and that's why the plan *wasn't* just to uplink with helios. At 1:45 in the vid: "Address the flaws in human nature. Make all beings truly equal in both body and mind".
The augs required to uplink to helios also included the kinds of physical and mental augs that JC had, eliminating or at least massively reducing the stratification in society.
brized 2 weeks ago
But, I killed Paul in the first game...
BionicleChronicleTV 1 month ago 2
this is so supid they forget the most basic need to fight to resist what we are told and fight what we do not understand is that we need to fight ost basic phyical and mental need is odd but we have to fight for things to change when we get up off our ass even if its only in a single guy or girls head
reversecolin1256788 1 month ago
IT'S MR JC DENTON. IN THE FRESH
Lorddaddyfunk 1 month ago
The entire first game JC fought to end corporate pigs who want to silently dictate the world. Here he wants to make everyone a mellowed out nano zombie. Mite as well just let the illuminati rule :/
vilescythe24 2 months ago
@vilescythe24 I see you point but the Illuminati had their chance and they screwed up…badly. They don’t deserve a second chance. I’d be willing to go with JC/Helios because if nothing else, it hadn’t been tried before.
Rashaed 2 months ago 7
So JC turns into a Neo social Marxist.
luked1983 2 months ago
@luked1983 It's stunning how there always few people out there that deliberately misinterpret JC/Helios modding everyone for a democratic government into something that's not.
Saying something is Communist/socialist/Marxist is nothing but ad hominem it tells me you didn't have a point to make.
Rashaed 2 months ago 6
@Rashaed Do you understand Social Marxism? Because that is exactly what JC is talking about.
luked1983 2 months ago
@luked1983 Yesh but I'm asking you to explain how you get your opinion from JC's speech.
Rashaed 2 months ago
@luked1983
The problem with Communism is a) it lacks incentive for people to work hard and innovate (equality of outcome), b)it's overwhelmingly costly to force people to behave correct and c) the people in charge end up becoming as bad as those they sought to replace, or even worse. In the JC/Helios proposal these problems don't exist. It is a perfect democracy, with policy based on all available information.
christhemountain 1 month ago
I had no idea JC was like that......
Headcrabman99 2 months ago
I have no idea what j c and the other guy is talking about.... talkn about some confusing shit.
1nonlydtrey3 3 months ago
I don't see why Invisible War is so bad...
Granted I haven't played it, but it looks like it has solid gameplay, somewhat of a good story and "decent" plot elaboration. Not bad on dialogue either, I guess.
It's not as jam-packed as the first, but then again, a sequel has a lot to live up to. I'd say this is a semi-proper sequel to Deus Ex, purely at a glance, but I suppose I'll have to play it, won't I? :)
Metroid225 3 months ago 3
@Metroid225 lot of the criticism comes from people with nostalgia glasses.
TigerRifle1 3 months ago
@Metroid225 Invisible war is like Brink: Great Ideas and concept, but poorly executed.
bluechickentwang 3 months ago
@Metroid225 i've never considered Invisible War as being "bad", but there are some choices they made during development that simply should not have been made. The most notable are these:
-All weapons sharing ammunition. How is that logical? Either you get to choose to shoot one rocket or several pistol shots, not both.
-Less augs (limits replayability)
-No skill system
Other than that, the way they simplified the game just made it... not as epic. Like smaller maps and no pressing of buttons.
HeliosCore 2 months ago
@Metroid225 and with buttons I mean the keypads. I liked having a little notepad with the codes and logs and stuff, even though I didn't use it very often. The thing about the first Deus Ex I liked is the stuff they put in that most probably wouldn't take part in, like reading longer books and picking "bad" skills (like swimming). It gives the player a choice. For me it felt like Invisible War constantly tried to take me by the hand and say "This is what you are supposed to do." Not as cool.
HeliosCore 2 months ago
@Metroid225
This was the best scene in the game imo. But you're right, IW wasn't 'bad', it just wasn't Deus Ex. I'd say it's an 87% going by PC Gamer standards, which is a long way from 95% that DE deserved.
christhemountain 1 month ago
JC all the way !!!
Wharwulif 3 months ago
Thanks for posting this.
nvsvictor 3 months ago
@muayboran2142 JC is a universal constructor himself
johntrevy 3 months ago
I'm with JC
BenK8319 4 months ago
Helios is starting to sound like an enlightened despot. Your turn.
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Omegaman40 4 months ago 3
Hell, my JC was certainly non-canonical) He choosed a "Dark age" ending and all that... Actually, my choses were -
Deus Ex Human Revolution - Darrow's Ending
Deus Ex - Dark Age
Deus Ex Invisible War - Tamplier Ending
alphaleone1 4 months ago
I love the Deus Ex series. It's the smartest series of video games I've ever played.
sunderking 4 months ago
Where the hell are his sunglasses?
ObsoletePerson 4 months ago 35
@ObsoletePerson The AI Merger was not augmented.
DoctorZyo 4 months ago 2
@ObsoletePerson In darkness, he wore sunglasses. In light, he doesn't. His vision is augmented.
Axelgear2006 3 months ago
His merge with Helios took away all need for his augmentations, including his vision ones.
Pcfan11 2 months ago
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One of the best dialogs in the history of video games.
yaroslavkhnygin 4 months ago
One of the best dialogs in the history of video games.
yaroslavkhnygin 4 months ago
@Rashaed
sorry to bother you but can you explain is plan exactly what would happen if he succeded please?
rssilverio 4 months ago
@rssilverio Watch the "Deus Ex: Invisible War - J.C. Denton Ending" posted by RawSteelUT.
Rashaed 4 months ago
@rssilverio in essence its a few parts
1) your flaws are upgraded, eyesight not so bad, yours is augmented, so on for strength everything, with universal mods noone is left behind everyone has the ability to be the most they can be
2) government is controlled by the AI Helios that can essentially read your opinions, moods, attitudes at any time, as such it basically polls the entire human race on what the people want whenever a decision is needed, it can tailor its policies and plans
darkana9 3 months ago
@Math667 HERE SHUT THA FOCK OP AND TAKE IT!
MrNicktheparakeet 4 months ago
Free information...
Now what cyber hacker group do i know who wants that? (rhetorical)
UtubeH8tr 4 months ago
@UtubeH8tr
Hm. When people spoke of free flow of information I always thought they just meant no laws and governments hiding it, but come to think of it they might have referred to this here concept of everyone knowing what everyone else knows.
Alignn 4 months ago
jc i'm really happy for you an all but johnny gatt had one of the best plans of all time of ALL TIME!!
thparticus 4 months ago
His plan is quite fascinating. Essentially, he is turning the concept of Mercerism from ''Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?'' into reality. I love some of the political talks in these games. The bartender in Hong Kong from the first game comes to mind.
Knifegash 5 months ago 4
@Knifegash You talking about the bartender who had a weird way of saying "think tanks?"
Rashaed 5 months ago 4
@Rashaed His name is Arnold I believe
Nolus20 3 months ago
I liked every game in the series so far. This one had one of the better endings in my opinion in this :)
evilmiera 5 months ago
@Math667 You got it.
evilmiera 5 months ago
The idea of equality stems from marxist ideology, and is completely impossible, impractical, and unethical.
Think about it. If everyone is equal, everyone is exactly the same. There are just x billion of the same person on the planet.
There is a reason Evolution seeks biodiversity, in genetics, in species, in life circumstances and choices. Our differences are what give rise to so many different outlooks on life, ideas, and ultimately, progress and innovation.
Pillowflame 5 months ago
@Pillowflame
Well said pal!
ShadowZezima 5 months ago
@Pillowflame
"The idea of equality stems from marxist ideology, and is completely impossible, impractical, and unethical"
Maybe impossible, certainly impractical, but unethical?
"Think about it. If everyone is equal, everyone is exactly the same There are just x billion of the same person"
The characters in the clip take the time to point out that they arent making everyone identical, just improving the sharing of information.
And people will always have different opinions on subjective topics.
Cha4k 5 months ago
@Pillowflame
Do we really need poverty, the uneducated or the bigoted, to fuel progress and innovation?
Is it unethical to give those people the same quality of life as us, the same access to education?
Giving them all internet access so they could research and debate the issues with the rest of us?
Because that is essentially the plan here. Improve the flow of information between individuals, give everyone equal access to education and equal voting rights. Not to make identical zombies.
Cha4k 5 months ago 3
@Cha4k First question. It depends. What fuels innovation? Competition. What creates competition? Desire and motivation. Do these factors contribute to that? Maybe, maybe not. The other issues arent really ethical impasses as much as it is logistical impossiblitites. There simply isn't enough wealth in the world to do that.
My main problem with the JC plan is it doesn't really address human issues. It would be unrealisitc to imagine the end of war and bigotry just because of a mass merger.
TheLackofattack 5 months ago
@Cha4k No, no, and no, but the ends do not justify the means. It also doesn't really allow for much innovation or exceptionalism seeing how everyone is "equal," more over the idea that seperation of powers "thwarted ambition of individuals" is vague, if by "ambitions" he means people like him and the Templars than yes. And the solution JC has making philosophies such as marxisim work isn't justifiable as it will surpress human emotion to make the world perfect.
kingcobra101z 4 months ago
I support his vision!
Foxstab 5 months ago
@Math667 And seven months later you got it. As in now.
Foxstab 5 months ago
Look, I never played Deus Ex 2 just Deus Esx 1 (start crying), can someone explain me this?
flatiou 5 months ago
@flatiou Deus Ex canon ending: JC merges with Helios and the global network is brought down anyway (the Collapse). Everett brings Chad and Nicolette into the Illuminati.
So, the JC/Helios merger is incomplete. Tracer Tong and Paul Denton found Apostle Corp to help complete the merger. JC goes to Antarctica with the grays to decide on how to rule the world.
Watch "Shido534" walk-through of Deus Ex: Invisible War for the details or go to the Deus Ex Wiki.
Rashaed 5 months ago 10
@Doublicon that opinion sound a little flawed imagine a system with equality,consensus, wisdom and knowledge and above all choice the system may not be perfect but it may be better than the so called "democracy" that we have now
bpeterdude316 5 months ago
@bpeterdude316 I don't know.. the system sounds good on paper, but how can an A.I construct truly understand and care for human beings when it isn't one? JC Denton is only half of the being, he said himself he and Helios are one being. Who says he has the ability to make the distinction between a fair act and a logical one? Besides all that, the idea that you could legislate a single set of laws for the entire world is ludicrous, input would be radically different between different cultures.
Hakudohshi 5 months ago
...I still can't believe that Alex Denton is Vegeta. He sounds so calm and not pissed off all the time. @_@;
omnomstaypuft 5 months ago
I notice you're using John P's High Rex DX:IW Textures. I tried installing it tonight, and while the installation took fine I found myself gazing at a blank screen for minutes on end until I CTRL + ALT + DEL'd my way out of the game. It only ever worked once, and that was by pure accident. Have you ever experienced this problem? And if so, what did you do to fix it?
AngelOfIron 5 months ago
"Pure Democracy" is "Pure Mob Rule". There is nothing sophisticated about it. It isn't the collective intelligence of society, rather its collective greed.
Doublicon 5 months ago
@Doublicon What a shame.
punipunipunisher 5 months ago
The ultimate sunglasses and long black coat team:
Jc Denton, Neo and Blade!
SuperSheo 6 months ago
lol JC look younger here than in Deus Ex 1, that always struck me as weird.
BlackZepellin 6 months ago
JCDenton... voiced by JAKE from the Tv show california dreams.
gringolazlo 6 months ago
Did anyone notice the datapad near the tanks in area 51 saying Alex Denton?
colman44 6 months ago 3
@colman44 Wow, someone actually noticed that.
I'm pretty sure Alex D. is Alex Denton.
BrotherOfMetal2 5 months ago
@BrotherOfMetal2 Noticed it on my 2nd playthrough. I'm beating the series for when HR comes out! :D
colman44 5 months ago
@colman44 I'm glad to read that more people remember/noticed this. Since I was starting to think I remembered incorrectly..
darkdaedelus 2 months ago
"man first of all exists, encounters himself, surges up in the world – and defines himself afterwards."
drewb993 6 months ago
I have a question -
So what happens to Ambrosia distribution.Because JC went into coma so obviously he couldnt do anything more than making home for grays.Then what happened to the world?people died because of gray death?I know Savage got the Universal Constructor and a cure but since Bob Page wasnt dead,MJ12 still lives.Then the distribution of Ambrosia probably wasnt so easy because MJ12 and Illuminati kept fighting.So.......what happened of people?did population got reduced?
JCDenton112788 6 months ago
@JCDenton112788 Remember the canon ending from Deus Ex that DE: Invisible War is based on. JC Denton totally defeats MJ12 and takes over Area 51 when he kills Page and merges with Helios. JC Denton does not go into the coma immediately after the merger. He is around long enough to found Apostle Corp and ally himself with Grays. The Illuminati most likely distributed the Gray Death cure without JCs help (Chad and Nicolette under guidance from Everett most likely did it).
Rashaed 6 months ago
@JCDenton112788 As far as I know, the world population is never stated in Deus Ex. In Invisible War, it’s 10 billion so I don’t know if there was a drop in population.
Rashaed 6 months ago
@Rashaed I think i remember some character in Deus EX saying "Government is doing this to get rid of the population" i think he was a bum but not so sure but some1 said that for sure.And in Deus EX:Invisible War i am 100% sure I found a datacube which was saying "What happened to Bob Page is unknown".I am soo sure.
I think i found what datacube in the level where we teleport at Gray's home(snow everywhere).I disagree when you said there was no population but agree on Chad and Nicolette concept
JCDenton112788 6 months ago
@JCDenton112788 The NSF leader in the statue said "I think the government made the plague on purpose, to get rid of the population growth." That's not true. Everette made it and Page turned it into a bio-weapon. Still, no number on the world population was given. I assume between 7 to 9 billion.
Also, Warren Spector of Ion Storm (developer) said Page was dead.
Rashaed 6 months ago
@JCDenton112788 Read the description.
Rashaed 6 months ago
@Rashaed lol -_-".I wanted to know which things in DeusEX:Invisible War you dont like?
JCDenton112788 6 months ago
This JC is not funny. But great anyway. JC is JC.
welctoj 6 months ago
humanity needs an upgrade badly, i suport you fully jc..
levitan71 6 months ago
We are Borg resistance is futile. I mean we are the posthuman civilization.
ThatPsychopathGuy 6 months ago
You know i completely agree with Denton.
AKAOJ 6 months ago
I know this game isn't as good as the first one but is this game still a good game?
TheNarkist 7 months ago
@TheNarkist No, absolutely not. and if you have Fraps running to do anything(Like framrate, screenshots, or movies) it will switch to your desktop on load, then switch back to the game and then do a loading screen. You go through loading screens a lot, and I mean A LOT. It's not as good as the original at all.
soliunasmIReturns 6 months ago
@TheNarkist Still a good game anyway. Great plot.
welctoj 6 months ago
The greatest thing about this series is that nothing's dumbed down, it's pure, philosophical science fiction that actually makes you think.
AtheistTower 7 months ago
@AtheistTower Actually Invisible war was *dumbed down* alot it didnt have the same charm as the first but IMO it did have the catch of some of the stuff from the old one i could still enjoy it but it didnt feel as great as DX 1
killerguythefox 7 months ago
@killerguythefox
Quite right, let's hope Human Revolution redeems the series then.
AtheistTower 7 months ago 2
I like that he talks about how "general ideas " are bad, and then immediately makes a huge illogical generalization.
"The people will welcome true equality." Yeeeeah suuure, JC, sure they will. What was that about templars again?
falconpunchified 7 months ago 5
@falconpunchified
Depends on the definition of " people "
LgndryThndr 7 months ago 2
@falconpunchified They will, as a whole. How would you prefer he describe it?
Axelgear2006 3 months ago
Wow thats alot of info to remember! Did you notice that Jc didnt answer any of the questions with yes or no?
jcdenton100 8 months ago
This game is fucking cool.
wcdornez 8 months ago
ILL HAVE TO PLAY AGAIN!!!!!
i love this goddamn game and how it changes because different decision
AleXStatiC 8 months ago
@muayboran2142 There are 3 in his sanctuary. By this point in the game you should at least 2 in reserve in case you want change your mods.
Rashaed 8 months ago
His arguments almost sound logical in a sick sort of way.
Byrnzi360 9 months ago
@Byrnzi360 They sound a lot better than a Big Brother scenario, an apocalypse or descending back into the dark ages.
I will give him credit - He realized a society is, basically, only as good as the people within. Humanity as it is now is simply not designed for civilization. We're designed for survival in the wild and evolution hasn't caught up.
seventhcyborg 8 months ago 4
@Byrnzi360 What's illogical or sick about them? His arguments are perfect.
Leushenko 8 months ago 3
He looks different D:
XxXRangerXxX 9 months ago
JC Denton = Jesus Christ Denton???
Haistapaska01 9 months ago
I don't know. I find IW much more interesting that part one. It sucks in two areas for me: the levels could have been much bigger (but thanks to bad engine they are not) and the textures are taken from crappy console version(there is retexture mod however).
I find part 2 to be very deep, very stylish, very interesting to replay.
JCD path was true one, as it is same to omar, with everyone being totally open, but in contrast - they retained personality.
lin545 9 months ago
This cutscene was probably more deep and stimulating than all other video game cutscenes I've ever seen put together.
s0nnyburnett 10 months ago
@s0nnyburnett the scene of JC talking to echeloin iv would like a talk with you
elmalhermano 9 months ago
@elbucimar He doesn't actually make a distinction, necessarily. It's possible for multiple entities to be distinct yet unified. You are an example, as am I. We all are. The human brain is composed of individual components that are all responsible for different functions (managing relationships, making decisions, etc.), and consciousness is the emergent result. JC/Helios is the same story; a unified entity with identifiable components but lacking separate consciousness.
Axelgear2006 10 months ago
JC Denton is the true hero of DE.
He wants to create a utopia where each human is an individual yet they share a collective consciousness.
If I were in Alex's shoes, I would definitely help JC.
PhillipH903 10 months ago 36
Utopia's never sounded so close.
Axelgear2006 10 months ago
JC sounds less gritty then in DEx
zoebiflap 10 months ago
@zoebiflap my voicebox is augmented.
Chayraz2 10 months ago 2
Hi! a complete comment is on /watch?v=zeboqg4t9vs Bye.
lemons604 11 months ago
I for one welcome my new mechanical overlord.
BathedinSin 11 months ago
So, JCDenton turns into a filthy communist dictator.
theLepisma 11 months ago
@theLepisma
no, jc denton merged with helios and gave it a human side...hence the democratic twist to helios
polkad3v 11 months ago
The philosophical question of Deus Ex. Should we?
Aggedor1959 1 year ago
Is he voiced by the original VA of JC?
Raverque 1 year ago
@Raverque Yeah. Same guy both games.
Rashaed 1 year ago
Everyone No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only reason for this in pending Doom Is Icarus. You must remember if they had firth in Humans or rather if it had firth in us.
Daedalus never foresaw the complete lose of individual human right for the greater good of man. Yes, both A.I.'s worked to save and foresee the future, but what kind of future. I say all of the endings are awful. The best move or play is to prevent the lose of any fraction. Daedalus would seen that move. I did. The main c
lemons604 1 year ago
@lemons604 I agree, the endings were a real disappointment compared to the first game. In the first one, you had decent arguments by the characters as to why you should end the game in each of the three possible ways.
suemorphplus2009 11 months ago
Cyborg Communists! :D
Sheepytown 1 year ago 3
Tocqueville? Tocqueville lamented the many shortcomings of the modern democratic model. You simply cannot quote him to support the ultimate tyranny of the majority.
numb3rc 1 year ago
if all individuals where physically and mentally augmented the need for goverments would be changed forever
levitan71 1 year ago
Helios is the best ruler!
ImperVas5 1 year ago
so was jc a bad guy or just misguided
Sharkey3331 1 year ago
@Sharkey3331 Neither. Think about it. It's socialist ideology. It's not good or evil, it's about a philosophy that benefits humanity as a whole and does not cater to any single person, specifically. Whether you, yourself, thinks good or bad of that philosophy is your own idea, but the idea itself is quite neutral. It is equality in its purest form.
metalfaust19 1 year ago
Isn't it weird how you don't be JC Denton in the second one?
theplock99 1 year ago
they ruined deus ex by making it 3rd person. just look at the new one! they did the same goddamn thing with red faction too! they also ruined deus ex by taking JC out
jcodym13 1 year ago
JC's plan is self-righteous imposing on the rest of the world. but it's "better" than the other endings. the Omar ending is dumb because killing the leaders should have resulted in a more open ending. I am a Denton, and if the game went on, i would have continued down my own path, just like JC did. teaming up with Leo, and the conversation in Cairo lead you to believe that the Omar are a bad choice too. so why is there not such an ending?
Deviantel 1 year ago
@Deviantel - Punctuation, spelling, grammar, and syntax, dude. Especially if you're going to be posting freshman essays on Youtube (LOL).
ToiletBomberAlpha 1 year ago
@ToiletBomberAlpha don't be an idiot. ;)
Deviantel 1 year ago
i mean, since when will sharing your thoughts with everyone solve problems? how exactly will helios solve this? how exactly will it deal with crime, and decide what is right or what is wrong? It's an AI construct. no matter how intelligent the game presents it, it is still one construct with its own "opinion", while each person in the world has its standards on what is right and what is wrong. thus helios can only be another despot, and the solution it offers is selfish, a god kind of thing
Deviantel 1 year ago
it's virtually impossible. the idea of helios means that people would share their constructive ideas to solve problems,but what about the billion of other human thoughts, drives? what about the individual issues, complexes, fears, anxieties? the clashes in opinions? what about those that defy helios? what is this social plan that helios will conduct to truly make itself the perfect government? this ending oversimplifies society and human mind, and therefore is impossible. it really is an Utopia.
Deviantel 1 year ago
Playing Deus Ex again with J.C, I just noticed that the whole game was actually J.C on the way of learning about humanity (depends how you play), but during the gameplay you learn about other people's misfortune, political philosophy, corruption of people with power. So it makes sense when you play this scene in Deus Ex 2 and his idea of "Benevolent dictatorship"... J.C is like Jesus Christ, being quite human but on the same time with power to change and wisdom.
hanchiman 1 year ago
I believe that while the initial intention is for Helios to communicate with the people (to find and sovle their problems etc), I reckon that communication is a two way street and that helios/JCDenton would start communicating back, transmitting their values for a utopia society. Even if this is done on a subtle level, any message continually repeated would change the subconcious (similar to Sovereign in Mass Effect).
KillerKoala56 1 year ago
@KillerKoala56 While not a bad thing (as you would have equality, no crime or a truly effective judicial system, productivity, resources being used effectively and sustainably) you would lose a certain freedom of choice as your mind had been conditioned (like in Clockwork Orange). Then again, society conditions everyones mind differently depending on chance events of each persons life experience, so maybe controlled conditioning might be better for humanity - in the end, i choose JC ending
KillerKoala56 1 year ago
Spoilers follow.
I always thought J.C.'s ending was the best for DX:IW, especially considering the alternatives:
The Templars want a government based on having an enemy - the people are united in their hatred until the enemy is defeated...
The Illuminati want to trick mankind into believing that they want what the Illuminati want.
The Omar's plan relies on being the sole survivors, devoid of any differences.
J.C.'s plan looks better all the time.
thatotherguy27 1 year ago
I want the sequel so badly!
conkerfan2550 1 year ago
this is spoilers for others but yes JC Denton is insane lol
CaRcypher 1 year ago
This may be a stretch but isn't a global democracy kinda like facebook in the sense that nearly everyone's person opinion is shared and monitored? Just putting that out there.
WeaponOfMyDestructio 1 year ago
@WeaponOfMyDestructio
Kind of, except not everyone is a part of Facebook, and theres no connecting factor between people to help break down the barriers involved, whereas J.C. acts as a sort of mental conduit for the people, and finally, Facebook is a social site, it has no form of legal potency whatsoever.
Fatman311 1 year ago
@WeaponOfMyDestructio But the premise of JC's plan is that ALL humans everywhere are connected, and all humans are involved in the 'instantaneous democracy'. "Helios will communicate, not assimilate." When all humans are in a lucid and receptive state, and put on an equal stance, they are able to sort through modern problems with ease. Facebook is not a very good analogy, as the users are not all of one psuedo-consciousness.
BurnsyElle 1 year ago
@WeaponOfMyDestructio I guess internet is a democracy is out there? Since out information and such is out there deep in the interwebz.
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
I don't like this JC Denton. He's become a dictator.
babytkim 1 year ago
@babytkim Helios was the dictator as stated in the first game. JC changed Helios and made it embrace his democracy idea, not the other way around.
Rashaed 1 year ago 43
@Rashaed what happenes if I destroy Helios in the first game?
Krazyrussianass 1 year ago
@Krazyrussianass Nothing. The intended storyline is that J.C. merges with Helios, though.
metalfaust19 1 year ago
@Rashaed A democracy withoud human freedom of will? What hell is that? Thats orwellian not a democracy
ImperialGuard9001 11 months ago
@ImperialGuard9001
Humans have the freedom of will, just not privacy. They are observed and known at all times, their beliefs and thoughts shared amongst everyone at all times. In such a way society could allow communication between individuals across all nations, an interconnected world. in this way, there would be crime, no treachery, no war, just peace and everyones ideas used to form the basis of government. Its a perfect democracy, giving everyone what they want.
Fatman311 11 months ago 3
@Rashaed That's something I hadn't really considered. Throughout the game JC is discussing democracy with the philosophical bartenders. If Helios merged with Page, then you'd probably have the iron fist dictator.
mopden 8 months ago
@Rashaed
Playing God with human nature and 'fixing it' with computers, machines, and AIs sounds more like a nightmare than progress. It's just JC has a very 'reasonable' way of putting it.
You can make any abhorrent idealogy sound 'reasonable' if you try hard enough.
manwiththemachinegun 6 months ago
@babytkim a nonlethal takedown is always the most silent way to eliminate resistance.
sidaharta 8 months ago
@sidaharta a gep gun takedown is the most silent way to eliminate manderley
derpguyjohn 7 months ago
but stills, good video, do you have any where is paul? :D
FBIMaker 1 year ago
@FBIMaker I'm trying to fix an issue with my PC (I get clicks when recording). Once I do, I'll do a non-leathal walk-through.
Rashaed 1 year ago
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@Rashaed A demoracy withoud human freedom of will? Thats no democracy thats a orwellian world
ImperialGuard9001 11 months ago
@FBIMaker Paul is in the Arcology, if that's what you mean.
razalin 11 months ago
i dont like this jc denton, it seems like he changed a lot between dx1 and iw
FBIMaker 1 year ago
What I really want to know is, is there really any boundary to where Helios begins and Denton ends, or vice versa? It seems that he's more AI than human anymore, given the way he talks and what he says (the substance of it, the scope, the analysis, the thought put into it), but then again, it seems like his concern for the welfare of humanity is something that would be hard for an artificial AI construct like Helios to develop and display. Any thoughts?
DorianMichaelsIII 1 year ago
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@DorianMichaelsIII
J.C. and Helios are merged, one conciousness born of a combination of two. While Helios may have a greater influence due to it being a powerful A.I., it lacked crucial factors, such as humanity, in it. That was why it needed J.C., and J.C. needed it to come up with a better solution for controlling the world, as he stated; 'I needed the Helios merger in order to contemplate the problem effectively.'
Fatman311 1 year ago
Join the OMAR or we'll catch you in your sleep and make u work with us :D
mjshikeli 1 year ago 3
@mjshikeli No chance! I had 500 credits to fly my ass outta there!
uvmatt3000 1 year ago
I played a game called Deus Ex Invisible War, I think this is it in this vid. I picked it up for original x-box for $2. It was one of the best games I've ever played.
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
What would this pure democracy look like?
"uuhhh... mostly like twitter....only worse"
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago 2
you can see alex denton at the area 51 cloning chamber.
PoplovPanda 1 year ago
So in between DX1 and IW JC went from being a secret agent with nanoaugmented abilities to philosophy professor
TigerRifle1 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1 Well both games are filled with philosophical perspectives. But in the context of the game, it was Helios that was philosophical.
Rashaed 1 year ago 2
@Rashaed I beat both games, and I know something you don't. Helios is not talking nor is JC for both this clip and the whole game. At this point, In the story they are both probably gone ...maybe dead. You see in the first game Icarus "the A. I. made by bob page to replace Daedalus and create a ordered world" copy itself on to JC, so When it was attacked by Daedalus It would live on in full inside JC; then during attack both A. I.'s tried to combine and take over the other thus was Helios a
lemons604 1 year ago
@lemons604 merged Icarus and Daedalus. Both A.I.'s were death locked. You see the different between the two A.I.'s was that Daedalus had no order to order the world. I mean control diversely and individuality; however, Icarus did have that order, and that was the key you see.The part of Icarus that live on in Helios created a situation, so that JC would likely merge with Helios. Daedalus was sure that JC would help It over come Icarus and its order to order the world as JC never wanted a order
lemons604 1 year ago
@lemons604 ed world, so Daedalus helped. This is why Icarus is the talking. When JC merged with Helios at the end of the first game a full copy of Icarus took over JC, ..the hurt part of Daedalus, and the hurt other part of Icarus. ( or just Helios) Leaving just Icarus, That why there was such a great change in JC. Because, it is Icarus. And why he had errors in this game. (AND BY HE I MEAN ICARUS) Icarus the full program was trapped in JC because Daedalus was never full destroyed.
lemons604 1 year ago
@lemons604 You see Daedalus merge its code with everything that would let it, because it was it trying to order the world. Even with its core infected by Icarus for lack of a better term. Icarus could not fool the anything that ones had Daedalus (or it code or part of it code or all of it code) inside of it. I believe base on everything in game that there is still some form of Daedalus at play in the story even at the end of the game. This is also why Icarus destroyed area 51. This would pe
lemons604 1 year ago
@lemons604 rvent any copies of Daedalus from forming a core and cripple Daedalus ability to make the world safe, productive, aid the world, and protect individuality. (It saw protect individuality as making the world safe, productive, and aid for the world.) You see when Icarus went to china where there was little computer infrastructure it was to hind and to do everything to fool Daedalus and weaken it. Basically Icarus engineered the collapse to destroy the infrastructure of the previous wor
lemons604 1 year ago
@lemons604 ld to kill Daedalus. But it failed and Daedalus was able to block Icarus from copying itself on to other augmented - people without a intermittent of Daedalus and if you follow me so far you know the only way to win the second game is to back no side!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and do nothing to change the situation until Daedalus can help.
lemons604 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1
It's because JC had nothing better to do, sitting in a glass box for years
MetalHimera 1 year ago
@TigerRifle1
How do you know that he wasn't one already? And if you call him a philosophy professor, I'd wonder what you'd think if you actually met one. The intellectual human has time to read philosophy in between what he does for a living. It's not something difficult as you make it to be.
ScarletSnake 1 year ago
@ScarletSnake He was created in a giant tube under Area 51 and given to humans to raise, and then trained by Unatco/MJ12 and then disappears carrying out Tong's plan and joining Helios. Where along that line is he to study Philosophy. Rashaed is right, here its Helios speaking not JC. Way to take a video game personally though.
TigerRifle1 1 year ago
I was determined not to merge with Helios in the original, so this felt like a kick in the teeth.
Steveypoos 1 year ago