So what software is the best for ringing out a room.
I know most people are saying just use your ears, but if there is a tool to make things easier, I am all for it. Every room is different, so running this type of software on a laptop could be a real time saver.
It just amazes me how greenhorns spout how to set up a system. Uneed 2 Know the sound of ALL frequencies by HEART that's all 32 and know how to use a parametric and use it to knotch and warm to the room. Don't spout a bunch of lame jargon. This vid is correct & BASIC fact of how to START for newbees. You do not re-invent the wheel when it comes to facts of sound and facts of human hearing. Knowing frequency and room coefficients are key. THen everyone thinks U R a saint. It's engineering fact.
@101AOK I wasn't aware that there are only 32 frequencies(?). Protect your ears and use the modern tools. Be mindful of who is in the room with you when you ring out the system. After years of adjusting sound systems, my ears are suffering. I now wear earplugs during my feedback process and set my feedback EQ's via measurement.
@bikergeekgd 32 freq BANDS...freq themselves are fluid analog. SAying 32 freq was saying 32 bands you can choose from. best for a PA is a parametric and KNOWING how to use one. You can save a ton of power using a parmetric. 32 band EQ is also called a 1/3 octive sometimes. Also note the freq's also change quite a bit as the room fills with people and heat. Allowing more high end boost. ( I use an analizer now and a 1/3 EQ)
This is excellent. Also once a personKNOWS the frq "sounds" they won't need a graph, also as the room gets filled with people/heat/lights/ one can boost some of those frqs back UP at the peak of the performance. I agree on setting ALL mics to their respective approximate levels prior to gain riding the master. MANY don't do that and "HUNT" for drifting feedbacks they can't catch up to. Good basic vid. Very needed.
they made automatic feedback stoppers, it listens for what feedback sounds like and automatically eq's it then stops the eq when it goes away... Peavey Feedback Ferret is one model.
ALSO- probably more vitally important, learn your gear. Learn where a 58 on a stick's corresponding monitor wants to sit for max stability. Find any odd phasey spots on stage that will affect the monitor's overall sound and response and avoid them. Figure out how to space monitors so if a singer INSISTS on doubling up and you have to crack vocals in both wedges, you don't hit as many phase problems. Monitor rants. Apologies if i digressed
LISTEN. pop a mic on, get on stage and listen to that beast roar. Modern monitors generally sound good running flat. The low mids and lows are inefficient so they get cut (that's a whole other lecture). THEN cut anything that rings. If it's loud enough and stable, job done. If you just cut willy nilly you'll have a crappy sounding monitor rig with no gain because you've cut half the frequencies and therefore essentially reduced the volume of the whole rig (assuming typical Q 1/3 octave Graphs)
@Bones1977ify You got that right. I'm a keyboard-player and singer, and I've been doing sound for about 20 years. The sound guys where I play are in their 20's and sometimes I feel like throwing a mic at them. lol
@ryancangri Come now. Seriously, come on over I'd enjoy attempting to break that trend! I own a moderate sized PA in a venue in Upstate New York. I'm 21. Have some faith my friend. Sound engineering is complex and wrought with incompetence at all ages. Add inexperience and... projectile 58s. But almost every gig I run I receive comments by bands of all levels of notoriety that the sound was "the best sound" they've ever had. Its all about opening communication.
@danpaolangeli Well no offense to you, buddy. But you seem like you would know what you're doing if you're getting good feedback from bands. My respect towards you. Keep up the good work. :)
1 and 2k are the vocal range, so when a singer wants their monitor cranked, these are the fq's (and their harmonics) that will feedback the most when the vocalist sings. I usually cut 2, dip 4, and cut 8, right off the bat.
i know thats the vocal range. thats why i think its funny cause you really shouldn't be cutting at 1k. especially with mics used today at 1k there should be practically no feedback at that range.
Stanley can you show us how will be the real method .I'm running the P.A system at my kids school and we got a new set of wireless mics that are really given us feedback problem (we all are just proud fathers that want to help no money for professionals) any guide will be help full many thanks
the easiest way to eliminate feedback is to use your own ears, when mixing sound there is only one tool u can trust, your own ear, if something sounds a bit off then chances are it probably is. to eliminate feedback look at speaker position and where a speaker is pointed, think of a speaker like a light if your "light" shines on your microphone the chances of feedback are greatly enhanced. if u need a rundown and some tips, send me a message ive done sound designs for londons west end.
@bennyh8 Using this technology can prevent ear damage. Feedback is very bad for your ears. Mixing a band can only be done by ear. If Its there, (ab)use it.
I see what you're trying to say....but you misunderstand him. Just 3 or so frequencies taken out in this way should be enough to allow the system to be at very high volumes without feeding back. It's what the pros do so it's not useless!
Feedback eliminators are stupid use a parametric eq on a nice console because graphic eq's induce a phase shift once you start cutting lots of frequencies
I like the sabine feedback exterminator. It listens and catches the frequencies one by one. Once it grabs a few you can set it to listen for more and catch them automatically (altho its not perfectly transparent when operating) Still useful especially for vocal events in gyms etc.
Mr snowboarder, for a comprehensive look and tutorial on live sound, Check out live sound mixing by Duncan fry, I have found it to be a useful resource and have loaned and never got back 3 copies of the book, It tells you everything you need to know with out all the technicalities, this book is being used as a training resource by a college here in australia. good book..... google it
The FOH mixer should have focused on ridding the resonant frequencies from the mains. I would suggest using a narrow band parametric to notch the offensive frequencies to keep fidelity as perfect as possible. None the less, ridding resonant frequencies from mains and monitors is imperative to a good clean mix in both. Also think of mains and monitors as one system. What you are doing in your loudspeakers is going to affect that the mixer at the other end of the snake has to do in his.
Line of site has little to do with reflective surfaces and sound waves combined with a live microphone. In the case I am refering to, there was constant feedback from FOH and none from monitors. There were 10 wedge mixes all with live mics in them. The same mics that were in FOH. I was mixing monitors by the way.
Why focus on ridding resonant frequencies from the mains(FOH).
The band should be far enough behind the accoustic line of sight so it would be very difficult to draw feedback thus allowing focus to remain on keeping fidelity as perfect as possible.
Most serious feedback issues are based on having a monitor system that can keep up with bands that use extreme backline volume, in those cases monitors are almost always overwhelmed by many high powered multidriver cabinets used for guitar and bass
First, you must be a FOH guy since you are blaming the monitor guy even in the hypothetical? Second, you obviously have never mixed in a reverberant hall such as the Lincoln Presidential Museum at the Smithsonian (Lincoln Inaugural Ball 2009).
js, I don't recall blaming a "monitor guy"- I simply pointed to the usual cause of most feed back issues-typically too much volume in a bands back line which no monitor can match in SPL's or a vocalist getting too close to his or her monitor(s).
As far as your comment about me never having mixed in a reverberant hall-hows a gymnasium?...I mean aside from your late mothers cave-like vagina thats about as reverberant as it gets.
Exactly! Then it becomes a monitor guy's JOB to deliver as much SPL as he can with the speaker, console, and GEQ he got! If you can't do it without any computer or RTA or any other feedback destroyer than leave it to the pro's or live with it! And if a room is not made for shows than try to make it better , get into a real venue, hire a pro or live with it! There a people who live by doing just that and that are loving it! Its like trying to repair your luxury car alone!
A while ago I looked into software feedback destroyers to see if anyone made one that can automatically destroy an unlimited number of frequencies and Native Instruments claim that Reaktor could do it. The problem is, using computers in live audio is something which - understandably - most engineers won't do, cos computers crash from time to time.
Soon someone will make a decent hardware one though, and when they do, they'll probably make a lot of money.
The difference is, that with the Spectrum you can see very accurately where the feedback is - so maybe at 859Hz for example. You can then load in the eight channel EQ unit and drop out 859Hz. The notches in Ableton are incredibly narrow and you can't even notice a change in sound after adding hundreds of notches - I know cos I've done it!
I've used the Behringer FBQ2496, but it only has 20 frequencies that it can destroy. One way I found that works well (although it involves using a computer, which obviously crash and so are unreliable in live performance) is to run the audio through Ableton Live. Add the 'Spectrum' to a channel and gently turn up the audio until it starts feeding back. This is the same as what happens in this video.
honestly you dont need smaart to ring out a pa.. take a descent 31 band eq. set all you mics, and have them on.. and turn up the montiors.. when you get feed back either keep sliding down eq faders or use an rta to tell you what freq is feeding back then turn it down. ...for the most part, its that easy.
I was reading about some software that has been developed that does this process automaticaly live, and it does it really well. Stopping feedback before it occurs, the article then went on to ask some live engineers who sounded worried.
I don't remember, I read it in New Scientist a few months back. It had been developed at a university in England, as I recall. It was still in its trial stages and was very successful at identifying potential feedback, and limiting it before it had time to turn into feedback.
there is nothing will will completely run itself and fix everything. tools like smaart are exactly that.. TOOLS. they help you identify problem areas, calibrate, align... tons of things.. but by no means do they have an auto. you may be thinking of the auto EQ functions on the driverack pa.. that mearly is a pink noise gen that will will a graphic eq to filter out whatever eq curve you set.. which does help, but anyone can do this... and that is not active either. so it only helps so much
also, check out the instructions that come with the software. it is very indepth. The software, has spectralgraph, rta, magnitude and phase. I do highly recommend this software. And more help if needed can be found in eaw's forums. Many professional are on there as well as eaw engineers. If you cant afford software like this, your ear will work, or other rta's. Rane has a nice 31 band rta. you want 1/3 octave eq, which is 31 bands.
For all the people asking what software is being used on that macbook, it is either SIA soft smaart, or EAW/loud technologies Smaart (same thing, just eaw owns it now)
The software is great, but very pricing!!! it is mac and windows compatable. i interface my smaart 6 software with my drive rack 260, the controls are way better then the driveware software. and since in using it on a macbook pro, drivewar from dbx is not compatible, so i dont have a choice.
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You have to use a good piece of EQ in order to keep constant Q - like a BSS or sth - its difficult to remind excactly the 31 frequencies that a typical EQ can cut (mostly)- but why ears when u got a real time analyzer?
Its easy to do by ear - you should be able to work out roughly what frequency is feeding back, try boosting a frequency around what you think is feeding back, if the frequency thats feeding back gets louder, you've got it - or if another one starts, you can tell if its higher or lower, and narrow down what frequency it is. it also makes it easier if you memorize a few key frequencies, say, 500Hz, 1K, 5K, 10K. so you know what they sound like, it makes it easier to narrow down.
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@samuelr720 All you need is a 31 band EQ and your ears. Turn up the mic gain until you get feedback and try cutting different frequencies until the feedback goes away.
So what software is the best for ringing out a room.
I know most people are saying just use your ears, but if there is a tool to make things easier, I am all for it. Every room is different, so running this type of software on a laptop could be a real time saver.
nstygatr 1 month ago
thnx for the vids, what spectrum anaalyzer software do you use?
chris2per02 7 months ago in playlist How to Set Up PA Systems
How do you get a hold of a spectrograph?
miar123 7 months ago
Very good clip - concise and to the point!
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alinsongsbmx 11 months ago
It just amazes me how greenhorns spout how to set up a system. Uneed 2 Know the sound of ALL frequencies by HEART that's all 32 and know how to use a parametric and use it to knotch and warm to the room. Don't spout a bunch of lame jargon. This vid is correct & BASIC fact of how to START for newbees. You do not re-invent the wheel when it comes to facts of sound and facts of human hearing. Knowing frequency and room coefficients are key. THen everyone thinks U R a saint. It's engineering fact.
101AOK 1 year ago
@101AOK I wasn't aware that there are only 32 frequencies(?). Protect your ears and use the modern tools. Be mindful of who is in the room with you when you ring out the system. After years of adjusting sound systems, my ears are suffering. I now wear earplugs during my feedback process and set my feedback EQ's via measurement.
bikergeekgd 11 months ago
@bikergeekgd 32 freq BANDS...freq themselves are fluid analog. SAying 32 freq was saying 32 bands you can choose from. best for a PA is a parametric and KNOWING how to use one. You can save a ton of power using a parmetric. 32 band EQ is also called a 1/3 octive sometimes. Also note the freq's also change quite a bit as the room fills with people and heat. Allowing more high end boost. ( I use an analizer now and a 1/3 EQ)
101AOK 11 months ago
@bikergeekgd I agree. I'm pretty sure that guy shouldn't even be messing with this stuff. 31 would be the appropriate number.
phlashed1 7 months ago
This is excellent. Also once a personKNOWS the frq "sounds" they won't need a graph, also as the room gets filled with people/heat/lights/ one can boost some of those frqs back UP at the peak of the performance. I agree on setting ALL mics to their respective approximate levels prior to gain riding the master. MANY don't do that and "HUNT" for drifting feedbacks they can't catch up to. Good basic vid. Very needed.
101AOK 1 year ago
they made automatic feedback stoppers, it listens for what feedback sounds like and automatically eq's it then stops the eq when it goes away... Peavey Feedback Ferret is one model.
PattyWhomperOFFICIAL 1 year ago
ALSO- probably more vitally important, learn your gear. Learn where a 58 on a stick's corresponding monitor wants to sit for max stability. Find any odd phasey spots on stage that will affect the monitor's overall sound and response and avoid them. Figure out how to space monitors so if a singer INSISTS on doubling up and you have to crack vocals in both wedges, you don't hit as many phase problems. Monitor rants. Apologies if i digressed
danpaolangeli 1 year ago
LISTEN. pop a mic on, get on stage and listen to that beast roar. Modern monitors generally sound good running flat. The low mids and lows are inefficient so they get cut (that's a whole other lecture). THEN cut anything that rings. If it's loud enough and stable, job done. If you just cut willy nilly you'll have a crappy sounding monitor rig with no gain because you've cut half the frequencies and therefore essentially reduced the volume of the whole rig (assuming typical Q 1/3 octave Graphs)
danpaolangeli 1 year ago
No offence but if you cant ring out a system without using spectrographs and shit,you shouldnt be allowed behind a sounddesk.
Bones1977ify 1 year ago 2
@Bones1977ify You got that right. I'm a keyboard-player and singer, and I've been doing sound for about 20 years. The sound guys where I play are in their 20's and sometimes I feel like throwing a mic at them. lol
ryancangri 1 year ago
@ryancangri Do it. I've done it its the only thing that works . I swear some of them have their ears painted on
Bones1977ify 1 year ago
@ryancangri Come now. Seriously, come on over I'd enjoy attempting to break that trend! I own a moderate sized PA in a venue in Upstate New York. I'm 21. Have some faith my friend. Sound engineering is complex and wrought with incompetence at all ages. Add inexperience and... projectile 58s. But almost every gig I run I receive comments by bands of all levels of notoriety that the sound was "the best sound" they've ever had. Its all about opening communication.
danpaolangeli 1 year ago
@danpaolangeli Well no offense to you, buddy. But you seem like you would know what you're doing if you're getting good feedback from bands. My respect towards you. Keep up the good work. :)
ryancangri 1 year ago
How would you do this if you don't have the software ?
and just had a 31 band EQ.
Also what's the maximum amount of frequencies to cut ?
In the video it shows the person only cutting just 2 frequencies.
What happens if you have cut more then 2 like shown in the video ?
It would be nice to see a video of ringing out without the software.
MrTwostone 1 year ago
@MrTwostone You use your ears, like the old days. Theres a program called Simple Feedback trainer which helps you learn the frequencies.
polyphony89 1 year ago
Cant you just use a feedback destroyer, like the one from Behringer?
TheMovieEditor 1 year ago
You wouldn't want to cut 1k...
KaltorRotis 1 year ago
how do u get feedback on 1k and 2k ? lol
silkyhands914 2 years ago
1 and 2k are the vocal range, so when a singer wants their monitor cranked, these are the fq's (and their harmonics) that will feedback the most when the vocalist sings. I usually cut 2, dip 4, and cut 8, right off the bat.
docktergonzo1 2 years ago
i know thats the vocal range. thats why i think its funny cause you really shouldn't be cutting at 1k. especially with mics used today at 1k there should be practically no feedback at that range.
silkyhands914 2 years ago
What do you mean when u say Cut or Dip? Just curious.
avatar10you 2 years ago
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Decrease, reduce
teknb 1 year ago
@docktergonzo1 you sound like you dont know what you're talking about, kiddie.
valdezmiguel2 2 years ago
whats the name of the software he is using?
bradn7 2 years ago
smaartlive V.6 use it all the time
Mikeamorey 2 years ago
whats the price tag on something like that, and how does using an eq compare to using a feedback eliminator?
bradn7 2 years ago
as far as school dance is concerned, just open the doors and this will eliminate all feedback issues.
SingJiya 2 years ago
it's horseshit advice like this that makes idiots get paid for doing sound.
"keep turning it up til it feedsback"... sure, and eventually you'll have an eq with all frequencies out, making one big attenuator.
this is a completely useless method.
idiots.
stanley12inch 2 years ago
Stanley can you show us how will be the real method .I'm running the P.A system at my kids school and we got a new set of wireless mics that are really given us feedback problem (we all are just proud fathers that want to help no money for professionals) any guide will be help full many thanks
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manrekords 2 years ago
the easiest way to eliminate feedback is to use your own ears, when mixing sound there is only one tool u can trust, your own ear, if something sounds a bit off then chances are it probably is. to eliminate feedback look at speaker position and where a speaker is pointed, think of a speaker like a light if your "light" shines on your microphone the chances of feedback are greatly enhanced. if u need a rundown and some tips, send me a message ive done sound designs for londons west end.
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BLUESJOHNSON 1 year ago
@wezza69 Too many people using technology instead of their ears!
bennyh8 11 months ago 2
Using this technology can prevent ear damage. Feedback is very bad for your ears. Mixing a band can only be done by ear. If Its there, (ab)use it.
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@bennyh8 Using this technology can prevent ear damage. Feedback is very bad for your ears. Mixing a band can only be done by ear. If Its there, (ab)use it.
dezziss 7 months ago
I see what you're trying to say....but you misunderstand him. Just 3 or so frequencies taken out in this way should be enough to allow the system to be at very high volumes without feeding back. It's what the pros do so it's not useless!
JoeBlokey 2 years ago
Why not just use ear monitors for every one onstage?
delacerdaa 2 years ago
Why not make the artists all wear false teeth on stage,,,:thu:
riverstrat 2 years ago 4
Feedback eliminators are stupid use a parametric eq on a nice console because graphic eq's induce a phase shift once you start cutting lots of frequencies
JPicanteProductions 2 years ago
It's easier with a parametric EQ because you can just sweep through frequencies with it set to cut instead of searching around on a graphic.
Edward3D 2 years ago
I like the sabine feedback exterminator. It listens and catches the frequencies one by one. Once it grabs a few you can set it to listen for more and catch them automatically (altho its not perfectly transparent when operating) Still useful especially for vocal events in gyms etc.
proaudiohd 2 years ago
Mr snowboarder, for a comprehensive look and tutorial on live sound, Check out live sound mixing by Duncan fry, I have found it to be a useful resource and have loaned and never got back 3 copies of the book, It tells you everything you need to know with out all the technicalities, this book is being used as a training resource by a college here in australia. good book..... google it
ricturtle 2 years ago
The FOH mixer should have focused on ridding the resonant frequencies from the mains. I would suggest using a narrow band parametric to notch the offensive frequencies to keep fidelity as perfect as possible. None the less, ridding resonant frequencies from mains and monitors is imperative to a good clean mix in both. Also think of mains and monitors as one system. What you are doing in your loudspeakers is going to affect that the mixer at the other end of the snake has to do in his.
jsoundmixer 3 years ago
Line of site has little to do with reflective surfaces and sound waves combined with a live microphone. In the case I am refering to, there was constant feedback from FOH and none from monitors. There were 10 wedge mixes all with live mics in them. The same mics that were in FOH. I was mixing monitors by the way.
jsoundmixer 3 years ago
Why focus on ridding resonant frequencies from the mains(FOH).
The band should be far enough behind the accoustic line of sight so it would be very difficult to draw feedback thus allowing focus to remain on keeping fidelity as perfect as possible.
Most serious feedback issues are based on having a monitor system that can keep up with bands that use extreme backline volume, in those cases monitors are almost always overwhelmed by many high powered multidriver cabinets used for guitar and bass
MightySaturn5 3 years ago
First, you must be a FOH guy since you are blaming the monitor guy even in the hypothetical? Second, you obviously have never mixed in a reverberant hall such as the Lincoln Presidential Museum at the Smithsonian (Lincoln Inaugural Ball 2009).
jsoundmixer 3 years ago
js, I don't recall blaming a "monitor guy"- I simply pointed to the usual cause of most feed back issues-typically too much volume in a bands back line which no monitor can match in SPL's or a vocalist getting too close to his or her monitor(s).
As far as your comment about me never having mixed in a reverberant hall-hows a gymnasium?...I mean aside from your late mothers cave-like vagina thats about as reverberant as it gets.
MightySaturn5 3 years ago 2
Exactly! Then it becomes a monitor guy's JOB to deliver as much SPL as he can with the speaker, console, and GEQ he got! If you can't do it without any computer or RTA or any other feedback destroyer than leave it to the pro's or live with it! And if a room is not made for shows than try to make it better , get into a real venue, hire a pro or live with it! There a people who live by doing just that and that are loving it! Its like trying to repair your luxury car alone!
elhefethegreat 2 years ago
Agreed.
DeadBabyJesus 3 years ago
A while ago I looked into software feedback destroyers to see if anyone made one that can automatically destroy an unlimited number of frequencies and Native Instruments claim that Reaktor could do it. The problem is, using computers in live audio is something which - understandably - most engineers won't do, cos computers crash from time to time.
Soon someone will make a decent hardware one though, and when they do, they'll probably make a lot of money.
ferrencebeeb 3 years ago
The difference is, that with the Spectrum you can see very accurately where the feedback is - so maybe at 859Hz for example. You can then load in the eight channel EQ unit and drop out 859Hz. The notches in Ableton are incredibly narrow and you can't even notice a change in sound after adding hundreds of notches - I know cos I've done it!
ferrencebeeb 3 years ago
I've used the Behringer FBQ2496, but it only has 20 frequencies that it can destroy. One way I found that works well (although it involves using a computer, which obviously crash and so are unreliable in live performance) is to run the audio through Ableton Live. Add the 'Spectrum' to a channel and gently turn up the audio until it starts feeding back. This is the same as what happens in this video.
ferrencebeeb 3 years ago
Google red rocks audio for a freeware version. It's in the download section.
Measuremax 3 years ago
does anyone know of a program like Smaart that doesn't cost $600? (preferably a free program)
matt452 3 years ago
you can download smaart for 30 days from eaw. probably not the answer you were looking for.
DeadBabyJesus 3 years ago
Yeah that will probably create more problems than it solves
zappafile 2 years ago
honestly you dont need smaart to ring out a pa.. take a descent 31 band eq. set all you mics, and have them on.. and turn up the montiors.. when you get feed back either keep sliding down eq faders or use an rta to tell you what freq is feeding back then turn it down. ...for the most part, its that easy.
rrdbstudios 3 years ago
I was reading about some software that has been developed that does this process automaticaly live, and it does it really well. Stopping feedback before it occurs, the article then went on to ask some live engineers who sounded worried.
ultimateinfinite 3 years ago
What is the hardware model and manufacturer of this you just mention
marsegovia 3 years ago
I don't remember, I read it in New Scientist a few months back. It had been developed at a university in England, as I recall. It was still in its trial stages and was very successful at identifying potential feedback, and limiting it before it had time to turn into feedback.
ultimateinfinite 3 years ago
sorry I want to maintain and ask my same question again. You have not answered my question. It will be great if you can point me to your reference.
marsegovia 3 years ago
We have a beringer feedback destroyer. Google Feedback destroyer and read read read.
Or Get an EQ with LEDs that tell you where the feedback is so you can cut it,
or There's a free Program on sourceforge that you can practice with.
It's called Simple Feedback Tester
Be sure to place your mics and monitors correctly to minimize feedback potential
djembeing 3 years ago
Or you can just train your ears and be a real professional
DeadBabyJesus 3 years ago
there is nothing will will completely run itself and fix everything. tools like smaart are exactly that.. TOOLS. they help you identify problem areas, calibrate, align... tons of things.. but by no means do they have an auto. you may be thinking of the auto EQ functions on the driverack pa.. that mearly is a pink noise gen that will will a graphic eq to filter out whatever eq curve you set.. which does help, but anyone can do this... and that is not active either. so it only helps so much
rrdbstudios 3 years ago
also, check out the instructions that come with the software. it is very indepth. The software, has spectralgraph, rta, magnitude and phase. I do highly recommend this software. And more help if needed can be found in eaw's forums. Many professional are on there as well as eaw engineers. If you cant afford software like this, your ear will work, or other rta's. Rane has a nice 31 band rta. you want 1/3 octave eq, which is 31 bands.
rrdbstudios 3 years ago
For all the people asking what software is being used on that macbook, it is either SIA soft smaart, or EAW/loud technologies Smaart (same thing, just eaw owns it now)
The software is great, but very pricing!!! it is mac and windows compatable. i interface my smaart 6 software with my drive rack 260, the controls are way better then the driveware software. and since in using it on a macbook pro, drivewar from dbx is not compatible, so i dont have a choice.
rrdbstudios 3 years ago
how do you connect the pc to the drive rack? thanks in advance!
eurekastudio 3 years ago
through the preamp
DeadBabyJesus 3 years ago
us, analog people like to use our ears instead of the smart software... but we'll let you guys play with the toys too :-)
anktrinity 3 years ago
Witch software or plugin is used ?
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ChickenUdderFish 3 years ago
You have to use a good piece of EQ in order to keep constant Q - like a BSS or sth - its difficult to remind excactly the 31 frequencies that a typical EQ can cut (mostly)- but why ears when u got a real time analyzer?
XJR666 4 years ago
Is there a procedure that can be used to ring out the system without a spectograph? Maybe by ear?
Thanks
Larro20 4 years ago
Its easy to do by ear - you should be able to work out roughly what frequency is feeding back, try boosting a frequency around what you think is feeding back, if the frequency thats feeding back gets louder, you've got it - or if another one starts, you can tell if its higher or lower, and narrow down what frequency it is. it also makes it easier if you memorize a few key frequencies, say, 500Hz, 1K, 5K, 10K. so you know what they sound like, it makes it easier to narrow down.
flatron74 4 years ago
Is there another procedure that can be used to ring out the system without a spectograph? Maybe just by ear?
Thanks
Larro20 4 years ago
please sr. i have an apple macbook y need to find a good spectre analizer can u help me ?? thanks
iworibofun 4 years ago
i used to have a p.a. company but now i do sound for a band called hi ihfidelity check out there web there all from chicago
motomancr 4 years ago
I run sound at my church and I to would like some
video tutorials i Know a litle about live mixing I ger
lost every now and then. is it possable to ring out a PA system without a spectorgraph ? I dont have one. I jist have a small 16 channel maki board. I do have an
EQ. on my system. drop me a message with your rasponse. thank you.
samuelr720 4 years ago
Do a Google search for the ultimate church sound operator's handbook and order this book. It is an amazing 400 pages of everything you need to know to do you work as a sound tech in a church. Its all color, with a DVD and it will change your world.
MusicProGuides 4 years ago
Thanks for your quick response. I will look into this book right now.
samuelr720 4 years ago
Google a book by duncan fry called live sound mixing, I have been involved with church sound for a long time and I have found this book to be brilliant. It will help you in everything and how to trouble shoot. keep up the good work, good sound guys at churches are hard to find. finding someone who knows is as rare as hens teeth Blessings
ricturtle 2 years ago
@samuelr720
use your ears.
qu1cks1lver56 1 year ago
@samuelr720 take each frequency band that are close to the frequency you think it is and try each one
SWATPhantom 6 months ago
@samuelr720 All you need is a 31 band EQ and your ears. Turn up the mic gain until you get feedback and try cutting different frequencies until the feedback goes away.
kayamar 5 months ago
Can you post more videos on live sound. I'd like to get some more tutorials on mixing bands in a live setting.
777snowboarder777 4 years ago