Barney Frank speaks during Hate Crimes hearing in Congress 4/29/09

[AlfredSwearengen]

How low USA has sunk to ALLOW a thieving jew homosexual deviant to hold political office! Radical goyim-hating jews and communists have infiltrated America and are destroying it from within just as the Roman Emperors and the Catholic Cardinals and Napoleopn and Voltaire and Hitler and everyone else throughout thousands of years of history has said about the jews. It's all true.

[TurbotortoiseStickle]

Barney Frank is just such a sh*t.

[AlfredSwearengen]

Barney Frank needs to be "jena-sixed".

[sjackson622]

@AlfredSwearengen wow your parents must be cousins, please die

[TurbotortoiseStickle]

Barney Frank is a shit.

[suavebone]

I called up the Schnitt show and told him I was against all "hate crime laws," he thought because I was black I'd be for and also thought I'd thing Rand Paul was wrong for saying CRA shouldn't be!

They're giving me more freedom at the expense of white ppl who never owned slaves.

I just hope whenever "we" alter or abolish this current form of govt, may we get rid of all unconstitutional legislation and just treat crime as CRIME!

[JosephBernstein]

The West is converting millions of BLACK MONKEYS in Africa & YELLOW ASIANS by taking advantage of their poverty, ignorance and illiteracy.The Muslims are converting our Caucasian WHITES. One day the smart intelligent West will become Muslims and Africa will become Christians, than what happens?

[dodgecummens207]

hes such a Dumb ass

[321lawc]

What a fuckwit

[KarmicOmen]

Pope Benedict XVI better shut his mouth then, or face the potential of being arrested while in the US for speaking publicly against homosexuality. Exaggeration? Watch! This is Obama, after all.

Hate crimes are very wrong ... so is infringing on the first amendment.

[BigRedMcCool]

You are right Old Ben! I don't know how a moron like Barney Frank gets elected. ?? You can't legislature the way people feel. There will always be prejudices in one form or another, just like there will always be crime, rage, poverty and violence! It's what happens when you try to crowd a bunch of people in small areas, called cities. Barney Frank wastes our tax dollars discussing these issues in such a childish way....

Kick Barney Frank out in the next election.

[OldBenFranklin]

Here we go again. BF pretending to be arguing for laws to defend gays from

"hate" crimes. Ha! What this conniving little rat really wants is legislation which will criminalize people who don't like homosexuals or Jews or Mexicans or Blacks or Whites or teenagers who dye their hair pink. But 99% of the people in America will dislike at least one of these racial or social groups. Do we criminalize 99% of the people because they don't like or, god forbid, hate some group. Grow up, Barney!

[Lethkhar2000]

99%?

You're a complete idiot.

[gphilli34]

what i wonder is, if we have determined that for example 25 years is the fair limit for murder (not that it is, this is just a point) then why is adding 5 or 10 more years because of who the victim is different. if 35 years is the new fair limit then why not 35 for killing any of us?

[garaellenwanda]

We have all the laws we need, there is no need whatsoever for special laws. Rep. Forbes explains it best in his speech, check it out.

[cessnaman1958]

I wouldn't want to stand in front of Barney Frank when you starting spraying his speeches, unless I were wearing a rain coat.

[Ragnar06]

Is it just me or does this man have an extremely annoying voice? Aren't there already enough laws on the books to protect people from assault and battery? Barney is asking for MORE rights for some people. Net effect: Assault people that aren't sexually warped and you effectively get a discount on your sentence.

[gphilli34]

lo,l well said

[bolurta]

Boasting about ones own hateful thoughts, motives, and actions against a "lunatic" within the very implementation of seeking support for hate crime legislation removes any credibility of this individuals argument.

[InNominePatris56]

The point is, 8- 10 years ago, no one would have been brought up on the charges to begin with.

No only is Barney Frank obnoxious, his voice is too.

[Wolfbloodvamps171]

If his voice bothers you why are you even watching this video. So his voice is different I have a different voice and I am a girl.

[antienjigglement]

hate crime legislations are BS desired by people who seek to elevate themselves above their equals. They must think they are better than their equals. A crime is a crime nothing more or less.

[threshold343]

The hate crimes bill protects sexual orientation. If a group of gays decides to beat you up because you're straight, then this bill applies equally as well.

[MrExnihilo]

So much for "equal protection under the law".

[expressionsinwood]

if you have two kids and one is gay, one is not. each are killed in the same manner, one because he is gay, the other because say he witnessed a crime. Which lost child will you mourn more? Which child suffered more? Why should the one killing a gay person get an increased penalty? The crime is a shame, the victim is as much as a victim as the other. Gays, and other monorities are not special. Why do you want special privilege? Get over yourselves

[qwe07]

No is stating that ALL murdered gays equals hate crime. You are applying an abstract idea (incorrectly) instead of applying it to real world situations; that is the only way to see if the bill is indeed legitimate.

[expressionsinwood]

If a black man is murdered because he is black, does he suffer more or does his family suffer more than a person who is murdered out of a traditional motive? Absolutely not. All crime is unfair and should be prosecuted equally. If a gay man is attacked because he is gay, he is no more a victim than a person attacked that is attacked for monetary gain. Get real people. Quit looking for privilege. Your rights are equal with the rest of America, which is exactly what they should be

[pegasonic]

Exactly. It's common sense. Too bad certain people refuse to see it.

[Wolfbloodvamps171]

Freedom of speech should be defended especially by those sickos Phelps family. America should have strict laws on Freedom of Speech.

[jracalto]

Barney is so right -it drives the right nuts, because they know they are wrong! Rock on Mr. Frank, America loves ya!

[MrExnihilo]

Is Barney Frank still supplementing his income with (gay) prostitutes? And isn't that illegal?

[Ilovekatamari76]

My friend is a Chicago Cubs fan and he got jumped in the parking lot of a Cubs / Brewers game by three Brewers fans. Wasn't that a hate crime?

[Wolfbloodvamps171]

Probably not. If your friend was black it would be a hate crime.

[Lethkhar2000]

No, because baseball's stupid.

[snowtrot]

Frank talking morality, classic.

[Fockersnextdoor]

I wanna a samich!

[siclos]

As fun as ridiculing or defending Barney may be for some of you, where is the outrage at the bill itself? Unequal protection under the law is wrong. Institutionalized discrimination by the government is wrong. Prosecuting people for "thought crime" is wrong. If a bill to give special protection and rights to only heterosexuals would be wrong, then how is this bill acceptable? The bill would protect child molesters and psychopaths, but not pregnant women or veterans. Barney knows it's despicable.

[chanticorae]

technically, it does protect heterosexuals as well. the bill covers sexual orientation, which could just as easily mean straight or gay.

we just don't typically have a bunch of gay people violently attacking straight people. the reverse, however is much more prevelent.

and it's not to prosecute people for thought crime; it's to help prosecute certain actions. case in point, the current hate crimes bill includes race and gender and people are still allowed to be as racist and sexist as they want

[siclos]

"we just don't typically have a bunch of gay people violently attacking straight people"

That isn't true. The relative numbers just cover it up.

Example is a 75/25 percent split w/equally violent people in each group. The experienced victimization of the minority is 9 times that of the majority. The majority isn't one bit more violent or criminal, but the portion of the majority that is concentrates on a small group, while the violent minority's attacks are spread out over a larger group.

[jophus82]

please pm me the information you cite that the majority is not "more violent or criminal." I'd really like to see it.

[siclos]

"please pm me the information you cite"

I wasn't citing information. In my example I stated, "w/equally violent people in each group". I was illustrating that even when the majority is not prone to above average violence or criminality, the minority is still victimized at a higher rate due to the math involved. The minority can also be expected to perceive themselves as being persecuted when really it is just the relative numbers that concentrate attacks against them.

[jophus82]

Its a good sounding argument, but I think that is all it is. I was asking for proof, because in my experience I have NEVER heard of gay on straight violence except for the occasional ass kicking in self defense.

Even if it were true, it is only argument for the bill because my community is concentrated and there are 300 million straight people to which a margin are hateful and violent towards us.

I thought maybe your argument was based on a study or any fact at all.

[siclos]

In the 2007 FBI hate crime data, of the known offenders, 3,802 were white and 1,045 black. Per capita this means the black population contains 65% more hate criminals. (The FBI doesn't collect the orientation data needed.)

There were 1,771 anti-black offenses by whites and 395 against whites by blacks.

Per capita, blacks were victims of hate "only" 27 times as often as whites (36 would actually be balanced).

Whites are less likely to commit hate crimes, but the perception is still there.

[jophus82]

My education is medicine, so admittedly I can't argue this well. but there are problems with accuracy of these numbers too because they don't reflect socio-economical variables. i don't know how you could, but they need to be if this were true to life. Remember these are convicted, and who can afford a good lawyer and who can't. Who was caught. There are more cops in cities than rural areas etc... I truly do appreciate your argument, it just doesn't hold water for me.

[siclos]

Part of my argument is based on math.

An analogy is to put 9 straight and 1 gay hate criminals in a room and let each of them take one swing. The gay criminal will receive 9 punches while a single straight criminal will be hit once (1/9th each on average). The victimization ratio is 81:1. Is it any wonder you never hear of gay on straight violence? The population ratio, not greater criminality, is the driving factor. Hate crime laws won't change that, and they won't tell us this on "Numb3rs".

[jophus82]

Actually this would make a great episode of numb3rs. I love that show.

I get what you are saying, and if I knew anything about math I would likely be able to bat it down better. Thanks for sharing though. It is nice that someone is using something other than feelings and hunches to try to illustrate a point from the other side, sincerely.

[siclos]

"prosecute people for thought crime"

If not the thought, then what? The additional criminality is totally contained within the thought of the criminal when it comes to hate crime. The harsher sentencing isn't for the brutality or extent of the crime, it is for having the wrong thoughts while engaging in criminal activity. Criminals often choose to prey on weak victims. How is mugging a strong young gay black man somehow worse than mugging an elderly white woman? It makes no sense and is wrong.

[cryan71]

"Prosecuting people for "thought crime" is wrong"

And this bill has nothing to do with thought crime. I'm sorry you didn't read 1984, but this isn't the case.

"special protection and rights "

Of course, this has nothing to do with the bill.

"bill would protect child molesters and psychopaths"

Funny, that's not in this bill and the current law, unless you consider the religious protection in hate crime law since many seem to be of those categories.

[OFxJeremy]

We are at war with the religious right. Uhhh no Oceania yes Oceania We are at war with Oceania.

[siclos]

The bill protects people based on sexual orientation, gender, and gender identity. This includes those sexually attracted to all manner of things, including children, their relatives, corpses, animals, and inanimate objects... not just other straight or gay people.

It is thought crime because the additional punishment will be handed down based on beliefs and perception, not just actions during the crime, or actions before the crime in premeditation. Is a random killing spree somehow less wrong?

[cryan71]

It doesn't include about sex with corpses, animals or relatives. Why the lies? If you have an actual credible argument against this bill then spill it.

[cryan71]

It is about terrorizing a suspect class. We already have a hate crimes law nationally on the books. Where were you for the last few years complaining about the current law?

The law allows for federal assets to be used, especially, like in the south in the 60s, when local law enforcement refused to investigate.

[siclos]

I consider it to include those categories by omission.

One verifiable complaint I have about the bill is that the democrats know it is unconstitutional and so included a clause stating that if any part is struck down, the remainder of the bill will stand.

"If any provision of this Act, . . . is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the application of the provisions of such to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby."

[cryan71]

Hate Crimes laws have been on the law books for years -- never been deemed unconstitutional.

Omission? Really?

[jophus82]

Would you say that getting back too much change from a cashier and keeping it is on the same par as stealing an election? One results in minor punishment and the other can result in several years in federal prison. Yet neither have to do with thought.

[chanticorae]

"if not thought, then what?" motive.

"how is mugging a strong young gay black man somehow worse than mugging an elderly white woman?" it isn't worse, and if some attacked that woman because she was white or a woman or elderly she would also be protected under hate crimes legislation. it just doesn't protect minorities, it protects every race, nationality, ethnic background, religion, ability, and--hopefully soon--sexual orientation.

[siclos]

Point I was making about the elderly white women victims is why make choosing victims based on their perceived vulnerability carry less of a punishment than choosing victims based on the group they happen to be part of.

If one person commits a crime because they honestly believe members of a certain group are evil or subhuman, is that person a worse person than someone who commits a crime simply because they recognize an opportunity to do so? Their beliefs are what the longer sentences punish.

[czubspenx]

This is one of the government officials that got the country into this fiscal mess. Why would anyone listen to this fool?

[coffeenuts44]

Thats exactly why Congress is so screwed in the head, they take these absurd rationales and propogate them. Precedent means nothing, other than idiot before you was wrong too.

V. "nor be deprived of ...liberty...without due process of law"

VIII. "Excessive bail ...nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Back to 6th grade engrish...

Unusual - adj. - not usual, common, or ordinary; uncommon in amount or degree

Hate crimes are unconstitutional as are congressional perks.

[mike1111qq]

bawny sucks weally... is dat man gwavy on his chin????

[xusmcguy]

EASTWOOD13, get a life, PUSSY!

[benegeseritwhore]

THANKYOU Barny. I am really very proud!

[Fockersnextdoor]

when barney is on the phone in the car in front of you then you might wanna turn on them wipers, hahahaa

[wntoply6]

come on focker, let me help you come out of the closet. let me help you end the deep rooted self-disgust you have for yourself.

why else would you make such a big stink. i mean why do you care if gays lesbians and transgendered people are included in hate crimes protection.

[Fockersnextdoor]

wntoply6 , You live and breath gay don't you? our country could be over-run for all you care just as long as the gay bar stays open. ME NOT NEED HELP FROM THEM.

[wntoply6]

no, i just believe in something you don't: equality.

and, stop the fucking fear mongering, quite frankly it's childish, over used, boring and bullshit, even if it's the only excuse you have.

use your goddamned brain and come up with something original you self-disgusting closet queen!

[Fockersnextdoor]

NOT BARNEY SUFFERIN SUCKATASH!

[Fockersnextdoor]

I wanna a samich!

[Fockersnextdoor]

Has anyone watched a video on YouTube made by anyone who will own up to voting for this guy?I would like to gaze at the faces of people who are dummer than a sack of hammers.

[aladinsane242]

Gonna be a lot of faces to look at, he's been in office for 28 years.

[Fockersnextdoor]

yea and look at the shape our country is in.I use to believe in "older and wiser" now stupid comes in all age groups

[killergames187]

I Hate this duck head so what??This is bull shit people!!We pay this ass hole 300.000 a year to lie his ass out!!WTF

[vxhorusxv]

Approval neither desired, nor required, honey! Thank you, Barney Frank!!

[Fockersnextdoor]

he is a fool leading the fools

[nobrand]

well put, my man!

[chanticorae]

go head, boy!

[mars1798]

Very Well said! Thank you very much Mr. Frank.

[Fockersnextdoor]

he is an ideot who works for the down fall of our country, grow a brain

[wntoply6]

you're the perfect example of the blind leading the blind focker.

[FreedomUSA1]

Genius!

[sss25960]

6:00. Awesome.

[qwertiness55]

oh snap