This Bernie Goldberg acts like the money the super rich accumulated would just disappear if it wouldn´t be possessed by them. Really a strange logic and then he even requests the rest to be thankful, when they pay some taxes!!
I agree with him though that it doesn´t really matter what the bible says. But well to me in general , while for these kind of guys it would matter of course again, if they can use it for their own agenda ...
most rich people are perverted towards money, much like a pedophile is perverted towards children, at some level of wealth it turns from success to perversion, some people are so rich they dont need all of the money and theyre trying to make more, if thats not a disturbing mental perversion i dont know what is
WTF!@!! Heros???!! the rich!!! And the rich do alot of good?? Really!!!Fox!! Idiots, Fuck yeah jesus would be a liberal Dem. on my side!! And no rich shall enter the kingdom heaven. and if the rich do alot of good that migth explain how we are more poor and they are doing well during this recession. Heres some gratitude thank rich fucks for sending our jobs to china to increase you profits. Assholes
@1963danno Yep, so does lowering taxes. Following your logic, lowering taxes across the board builds the economy because people have more money to buy stuff. See, you only need common sense to know that high taxes kill wealth and prosperity.
@1963danno Unions are HUGE reason for why companies have exported jobs to other countries! Have you ever heard of Detroit and how it used to be the worlds largest automotive producers in the world? Do you know why the manufacturers are all now in Mexico? Because of the unions. Their stupid and preposterous demands killed the automotive industry and cost them their jobs. It forced the companies to shut down the plants and give the American jobs to harder working Mexicans. Limit unions.
@1963danno Why are they exporting jobs to China? Because there are so many regulations and taxes in America that it is stupid for manufacturer to not make their factories in Asian countries. Also, so what if they are being exploited? That's why there's competition. If you don't like the way your employer is treating you, go work for the competition or someone that will pay a better wage or give better bonuses. That's the beauty of capitalism. If you work hard enough, u too can be rich
@1963danno Hmmm. So what about my neighbor who has a trucking business that employs over 60 people, is he also an exception? What about the biochemical engineer that also lives next to us? He makes over $300k an year. I'm sorry but while there are rich bankers and hedge fund managers that manipulate others they are not a representation of the true rich and entrepreneurial of the American society. The rich are vilified for all the wrong reasons. I wish the rich were looked up to again
@1963danno Who do you classify as rich exactly? You OWS liberal scum are so close minded that you only look at a select few rich. There are rich people in EVERY SINGLE TYPE OF PROFESSION. Most even work for someone. Take my dad for example: He's a physician that works 7 days/week and makes almost seven figures. But he doesn't make that money off of ripping people off, he had to work those 20 hour work weeks and not have a single day off for months straight in order to gain business.
So who gives you a salary? Someone in the top 5% or someone under the 95th percentile? Besides, the top 5% pay over 50% of the nations taxes so quit your yapping about unfairness and how the rich don't pay their "fair share." What, you want their tax dollars to account for 80% of the nations income tax revenue? Piss off, you're just a bunch of jealous people that can't account for your own damn mistakes you made somewhere in your lives.
its ironic the dude share his first name with bernie madolf. freakin rich think they are high and mighty wait till the world goes to poop money wont be worth nothing.
I think it's sad that they mix together the 1% and the 0.01%.
The 1% is a group of succesfull (mostly small) businessmen, who run factories, software corporations, store chains and such. They have a businessidea, they take personal risk and they can make it succesfull for them and their employees.
The 0.01% club are the parasites in banking, who only take and never produce anything but empty promises. They are the evil ones. So Goldberg is half right in what he says.
@WatashiwaCheese As that other guy said Reagan is responsible for the majority of all of our financial deregulation essentially leaving, not just the individual, but the entire economy at risk. However another issue is the infamous Bush Tax cuts. Essentially what happened was the government was taken over by the ruling class since our political system is run on private money. The Federal Reserve is another issue because it has a deal with Goldman Sachs almost exclusively.
@3:03 - The truest statement I think I've ever heard on fox news. Even though I'm an Atheist, I have enough respect for the concept of Jesus to be appalled how the right twist his image into somehow being for 0% corporate taxes, war, etc.
I would say that it's time for a flat tax. The best chance for a balanced budget year-in and year-out is to have federal revenues = 20% of GDP. So make a flat tax of 20% for individuals, with a cut-off for those that make less than 75% median income (which would be about $20k in America) and make a flat tax of 23% for business (to cover the low end that don't make enough). Simple and fair - think GOPers or TPers would go for it?
marx said religion was the opium of the masses not because it's a crazed addiction, but because it's a necessary painkiller opium itself (or rather poppies) were used as a sorta tylenol if you will at one point, it's the same stuff that makes morphine and heroin though
so ultra reliance on it could kinda do a metaphorically similar thing to "the masses"
@shittyfagg couple commercial spots are alright, especially when those in question are probably some of the best innovators that are reforming a movie market that would try jackbooting people and treating possible customers with contempt :p
anyways I didn't see bill oreily's reaction after really, but it seems like a reasonable question on his part to some degree, I've heard that even he's concerned about the new people that do spots like his, he thought he was far right, and "vicious" vs libs
@noobler9 could be but i think politicians and political bloggers should be independent. Or maybe not entirely independent as you're always going to be in favour of something, but at least you shouldn't be sponsored by companies that whether you like it or not have their own agenda.
@TechnoDevotee That may have been true in the past, but I think it's borderline paranoid to suggest that there's a rich people conspiracy using religion. I can relate to the point of what you've said though....and believe it or not, I am a socialist, as well as an anti-theist.
Oh, and that Karl Marx quote has been totally misrepresented over the years. Read the entire passage, he was making a completely different point than the one that we're accustomed to.
@samkurz All the ones that do that are liberals. What about GE and their love affair with Obama? They paid 0 in taxes on a $5 billion profit they made last year. What about Microsoft and Google who are also all in bed with the Obama administration and they also paid virtually no taxes. I'm sorry. But when Obama makes GE and Warren Buffet pay their "fair share" can he start talking about taxing the top 5%. Until then he'll always be a hypocrite and a naked Marxist.
Ah so when it's about protecting the rich they say fuck the bible and that we're not governed by it. But when it's about everything else. Oh we must do what the bible says.
@SteffanLlwyd ...or as John Kenneth Galbraith rightly said...
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness".
@comanchio1976 Ah.... JKG always wrote so well (and with politeness too) about 'private weath and public squalor'. His 'Theory of Social Balance' really stands up well... post-crash. It is very hard for the neo-cons to argue that capitalism failed due to over-regulation, union power or excessive taxation of the rich. One estimate puts the total amount of speculative 'instruments' as EQUAL to the whole World's output for one year. Now that's what I call crazy stuff.
@nfwvideo1 lower taxes on corporations. increase accesability for entrepaneurs. start drilling. bring back incandecent light bulbs. reform welfare and get people off it who don''t deserve it.let the free market be free. in crease the competitions. don't go to wal-mart. and stay away from monopolies.
@nfwvideo1 wow. force people to do something. how communist of you. thank god we live in a country that gives plenty of oppurtunities that people can take instead of making you do something you don't want to do. what have you contributed to this country may i ask?
In a world that did not accept failure, there would be nobody living on the streets just as their would be no rich people.. This type of excessiveness,is failure.
The few rich in this world want most to waste their time away.. Most of the rich believe there would be a disaster if everyone got rich, they are controlling this, they are the Gods of the majority of people. Rich people are the gods in your bible.
It's a race with time and we are slow to make the world a better place, some are just too satisfied with the status-quo.. That is a big problem in this world. I just found out Bernie Goldberg is a big scum of this planet that is full of himself also a trait many rich people carry with them, like himself.. Little do they know, it's actually a brain chemical imbalance.
@fornow100000 I believe the work I do is paid where should be, I don't take the time to calculate what I make an hour, I have a LIFE. I make my money off my investments and other assets, I put the thought into creating or purchasing them, I know what I'm doing, at least I like what I do. I would rather make nothing ever doing something I love than $Infiniti per hour doing something I feel the need to bitch about that I don't make enough on YouTube.
isn't this guy one of the rich ones. i bet that he makes over 250k a year and he wants his taxes increased. i'm sorry but if you want your taxes increased then ur a 'f'ing dumbum. PS celebs want democratic president so they can get a larger tax return for charities. just FYI
@Cfish79 I think it's a great idea for honest rich people to want their taxes increased to go back into the economy to potentially help make the economy a better place that much quicker.
@luc59457 not when their tax dollars are going to lazy people on welfare who stay on welfare just because they can't find a job that pays better than their welfare checks. get what im saying
@luc59457 and arn't the rich not rich because they started their own companies and brought them up from nothing. isn't it the goal of every american to be wealthy. some people just need to take the oppoptunities they are given and stop taking hand outs. the main problem in this country is that no one want to EARN a paycheck anymore. people are just lazy
@Cfish79 No, the rich are not always rich because they started their own companies. Sometimes it's handouts, sometimes it's cheating the system, sometimes it's inherited, and the list goes on.. Mostly it is work and usually not from the labor or minimum wage jobs.If you think there's a fair balance in wages/residual income, you are wrong. And there will never be with currency. In 200 years, hopefully something good will change with our currency, pricing and wages, perhaps a global standard.
@luc59457 so people should be punished from their families making a life for them to continue living? if i had a company that i brought up from nothing, than i want my children to continue to make it better. don't we all agree we want to make a better life for our children? and people who cheat the system get caught eventually. and global standard? global gov't? are you serious? the US is the greatest country in the world for a reason and should remain as such.
@Cfish79 The Us would be an even better country if it was one. And yes global standard, and no, not be punished... Things should be changed not in a way that would punish them. Things should be changed so there is more balance, so every family never has to struggle if they are providing to society and companies that make the most profits should be taxed in proportion, particularly if the company is promoting a harmful product (health). They should be better regulated since government allow them.
@Cfish79 If you want to make a better life for future generations, it's not only about starting a company. There are lots of companies out there. It's also about what companies are best for our futures and future generations, supporting them. When we look at what's best for our childrens future look at all criteria.As for global standard, eventually, packaging waste eliminated with better tech. A lot more jobs can be created in better things, like Concentrated solar or other cleaner alternatives
@luc59457 i agree. clean energy and clean resources are prefferable. but when the economy has gone down because the production of those thng are really high than we need to rethink our aproach. oil is now a necessity, hopefully it won't be. take spain for example, really GREEN country now. they have a 25% unemployment rate because of the GREEN production
@Cfish79 Well, I don't think high umemployment is a good excuse to go back to the old technologies which require more employees. It is quite the dilemma this result and I'm sure you agree. I think Arcology's is one of the bulk answers to create lots of new jobs and to become more considerate of urban sprawl in our ever growing populations. We have a government system and healthcare system, full of paperwork, creating more employment, but we all know, this too eventaully has to change.
@Cfish79 well screw the jobs for once.. It's not like politicians cried when giant profitable industries moved to mexico or china for cheaper workforce in the 80s & 90s.. Now its to save our environment & we gonna care about jobs? SCREW THAT
@Cfish79 No one? There's lots of people working. The problem is there's too much room for failures in these societies and they are a burden on healthcare, education and the productivity of society. There's never enough money to fix all that, however wealthy people can choose to donate funds into this area and many others like city infrastructure. Or the the ones that can surely afford it accept a tax raise. There's too much excess of money in some hands for any sane person/company to need.
@luc59457 wealthy, like celebrities... i thought they donate to charity.. oh wait... overseas charities. btw shouldn't the wealthy have some say in their own money. wouldn't they want to expand their companies and create more jobs. with less money they cannot do this.
This Turks guy is a dumbass, proportionally and overall we wealthy do pay more in taxes, by the time federal, state, local, and social security is finished we wealthy pay upwards of 50% or more in income taxes alone. before our generous donations to charities and the poor. The peasants of this country may only at max after fed, st., loc, and soc sec pay 25% in income taxes, and the average American pays approximately 35-45% income taxes after fed, st., loc, & soc sec. If you ask me thee should
Do u think u work harder than the average american? The truth is most people in this country need 2 jobs just to make the ends meet. Why? Because they get paid nothing 4 the hard work they do everyday. HOw much are you making an hour ? Try getting up in the early am everday for 10 dollars an hour with limited sick & vacation days and a boss over ur shoulder because you were late 10 mintues. You think you are a tough man? THe working man is the tough guy & Im sorry but u are shit in comparision.
This is Ayn Rand's idea: Ithat if the rich leave the country, it collapses. But aristocracy begats aristocracy, they inherit their wealth for the most part, whether they are hard working or not, and the top owns more and more of the wealth in this country. If the middle class collapses, then we will be living in a country like Brazil--where the rich live in towers above the ghettos and ride in helicopters.
@sheamn71 Ayn Rand's ideas deserve to be laughed out of the room. She was either a bitter, crazed, sensationalist lunatic - or else a calculating radical who was so desperate for the lime light that she'd write practically anything to get attention. Sure, when you spout off enough desperate attempts at a new morality, you say some things worth listening too - put the entire premise is sick and twisted, not to mention contradictory.
Cenk said; "...Who is saying rich people are evil? No ONE has EVER said that!"
Not true. I have.
I have accused rich people of being evil. Okay, not quite but close. More accurately, 'The actions required to gain obscene amounts of wealth are often so destructive that any objective observer would have to conclude that those actions are evil'. Okay, Cenk is right, I have not called Rich people evil, just the actions of a large percentage of the rich.
Cenk said; "...Who is saying rich people are evil? No ONE has EVER said that!"
Not true. I have.
I have accused rich people of being evil. Okay, not quite but close. More accurately, 'The actions required to gain obscene amounts of wealth are often so destructive that any objective observer would have to conclude that those actions are evil'. Okay, Cenk is right, I have not called Rich people evil, just the actions of a large percentage of the rich.
Top 10% in America pay 70% of the taxes. How much money do they rake in? What amount of the total earning do these top 10% earn? I would need that information before saying anything else.
@durhamdf Yeah figured it would be something damning like that. These assholes bang on and on about how the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes without demonstrating how much of the income the top 10% rake in. I don't have anything against the rich or the poor, I just want it to be fair for us all regardless of our economic levels.
@DawnOfEos Yup, and on top of that long term capital gains tax is 15%. which is where many of these billionaires and hundred millionaires make a large proportion of their wealth. In reality some of those in the top income bracket actually pay less money in taxes overall than the lower tax brackets. And these conservatives love to act like our income tax rates are at an unpreccedented level when in reality, they are right around the 100 year low. 1980 our the tax rate for the top bracket was 70%
@durhamdf Lol. I just googled top 10% earning and found this article. Check it out it is an interesting read. sociology.ucsc(dot)edu/whorulesamerica/.
@DawnOfEos - what you should be comparing is what their actual effective tax rate is. Buffett has been making this point for decades. Buffett pays a smaller percentage of his income in taxes than his secretary because our tax system favors the wealthy with the 15% cap gains rate which is what the majority of their income is classified as.
FUCK Bernie Goldman and FUCK all he has to say!!! i might pay him some respect the day he loses all his precious riches and has to support himself and a family doin minimum wage labor. but theres no fuckin way im gonna call somebody who barely does shit to get his ass wiped by golden toilet paper a HERO. FUCK THAT! thats like a slap in the damn face! fuck u Bernie Goldberg!!!!
Increase taxes? Why bother? My real concern here is that Democrats have no sense of responsibility when it comes to Budget Management. There is simply NO amount of increased tax revenues that can EVER match their desire to spend. Revenues can NEVER catch up to their spending, and the things they push are targeted primarily to reward their campaign donors. Notice that $819 Billion in 'stimulus' created no jobs to speak of, - the States got bailed out, so the Municipal Unions got paid off.
We the Corporations Transcending the Boundaries of Nations, in Order to Protect us from the People, Insure our Right to Extract and Exploit, Provide the Defence of Profit with Impunity, and Secure the Blessings of Wealth and Privilege for those Who Have it Already, Do ordain and Appropriate this Constitution of the United States of America You can't be arrested for fraud - its a company. You can do anything you want.
BERNIE GOLDBERG can SUCK his F...ing HEROES D..KS... The only HEROES to me are those who are risking their lives fighting the wars, so himself can be on COX NEWS and lick...
I believe what is demonstrable and has evidence to support it. Like evolution, yes. When you provide evidence for or demonstrate there is a god, or that the bible is a credible source, I will accept it. Do you only believe ancient myths?
If anyone here from the young Turks could get in touch with me, I have recently set up a radio station here in the UK, and would love to have some audio archives of your work so I may air it for my audience, which consists mainly of students from Bradford University, as well as a smaller audience from the greater Bradford community. thanks
I won't give people gratitude for paying their taxes. I have a great deal of respect for men like Bill Gates who in addition to the taxes that he is mandated to pay, additionally gives more money so that it may help people.
Giving your money to the government because the law requires you to, does not make you a hero. I do not think they need to be vilified in general, though specific people have caused this country a great deal of harm
vilified by the left? all the rich are evil? no asshole, it's not all rich people that the left hates or thinks it's evil, it's people like you, who make their living by removing any kind of remorse from anyone who profiteers of the backs of others or at the cost of the well being of the nation, who help them ignore any sense of conscience and tells them that the pleasure of the dollar outweighs any consequence of the means by which it's made, because they're the victims of income redistribution
@phinny5608 It's a very easy step, you see. The rich ARE pushed out. What do you think has been happening to the capital in USA ever since the Nixon got the US off the gold standard and China opened up? The capital flight, that's what. Then came the Reagan tax increases and capital flight intensified.
I am talking about the real business capital and real businessmen of-course, not the gov't buddies in banks, and ppl like Buffet, who'd go bankrupt if it weren't for gov't handouts.
@romanmir01 - There are countries with much higher tax rates than the US and they fare just fine. The rich aren't even paying that many taxes. Especially compared to the rich in most other developed countries.
@A86 Sure, there are some countries with rates higher than the US. But those are not countries with growth in productive sectors.
Even Scandinavian countries are becoming more and more capitalistic and are moving away from being welfare states, because they see what is happening to the capital - it's moving out and into countries that are much more capitalistic and business friendly - Asian countries
In USA people in high income brackets pay 50% in personal taxes, that makes no sense for them
@romanmir01 - China has a higher corporate tax rate than the US. Obviously they have growth in productive sectors. A couple of Scandinavian countries have made some modest reforms but are still BY FAR more socialistic than the US. And upon doing so their countries haven't seen much of an increase in growth. Funny you called Asia capitalistic - Japan is another social democracy, so is India and China has a Communist party that still has some Leninist policies. Lol
@romanmir01 - China has less corporate tax loopholes than the US. While the US has a nominal corporate tax rate of 35% very few businesses actually pay that tax rate.
Scandinavia is experiencing a political left turn again like some of Europe. Japan is far more socialistic than the US and so is India. While China is more capitalistic than the US in some ways it's more socialistic in other ways. But China has some problems similar to the US right now.
@A86 China has less corporate tax loopholes? WTF, have you BEEN in China?
How about you learn something about the topic first, OK?!
China has only ONE problem that is like the problem US is experiencing. China is also devaluing their currency in response to the US manipulating its. China's problem is like US's problem in that its gov't believes in devaluing the currency.
@romanmir01 - For Chinese businesses there are less corporate tax loopholes. Aside from devaluation of currency China is experiencing increasing problems with economic inequality. Sounds like you're the one who could learn something.
@A86 Oh, 'economic inequality', ha? As if they would have rather stayed in that wonderful economic equality they had 30 years ago. Sure, most people outside of the gov't were equal. Too bad they were absolutely equally destitute.
Economic inequality means something terrible is happening, like in the US, where people used to have better life quality and now are seeing it go down. In China, the people are seeing the quality of their lives going up, sure some see more than others, but it's rising.
@romanmir01 - That's a pretty incorrect summary of China 30 years ago. 30 years ago they didn't have 200 million people on the brink of starvation like they have today and 400 million people living in shacks.
Because technology has gotten better doesn't mean economic conditions are improving for everyone in China. Those are two different things. The poor in the US have better technology than the poor did 50 years ago but they weren't as economically bad off as today.
@A86 Really? China had people starving for the last 300 years. 30 years ago people were ACTUALLY starving in China, you don't know much about the country you like to discuss here at all. China has been in terrible economic conditions for 300 years and only now, for about 30 years their economy started growing all because China understood what USA has long known but lost in the last century - only private individuals improve economy by building stuff, gov'ts only make economies poor.
@romanmir01 - Of course they've always had starving people. 30 years ago they had less people on the brink of starvation as a percentage of the population. This has been proven with actual economic figures. Their economy has been growing since the 1920s. It's been growing fastest since the early 50s though it has accelerated even more in recent times. Though economic growth has accelerated the wealth of many in the poorer 70% of the population is decreasing.
@A86 WHAT THE FUCK? You should really learn about China before you spout out fucking nonsense.
Look up 'Great Chinese Famine', and then tell me how people in China were not starving 30 years ago. And 40 years ago. And 50 years ago.
In reality China was starving even into the 80s. Only for about 20 years now they really stopped actually starving, as in dying in droves, in millions due to lack of food. What, you don't HAVE any Chinese friends with Chinese roots to talk to about this? Too bad.
@romanmir01 - The famine wasn't going on in 1980. There was starvation in the 80s but it was lower than today. The best times in China in modern history were the 1950s, the 1980s and the 1990s. The 2000s have had higher economic growth but increasing economic inequality.
Claiming they've stopped starving is incorrect:
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Apparently you haven't noticed increasing food and labor riots in China in the past 15 years.
@A86 In 1950s? The time when China couldn't even produce enough food just to feed itself? Under the insane communist regime, that was even more brutal than the Soviet one? Are you on drugs? Do you even understand what people in USSR and China went through at all, because the gov'ts were stealing their food? The Chinese are even TALLER today just because they have better nutrition than their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents, that's just medical fact.
@romanmir01 - The 1950s is generally regarded as the economic high point of 'Red China'. That wasn't during the "Cultural Revolution" you seem to be referring to. The problems with forced collectivism came later in the 60s and 70s. People are taller today in the social democracies of Europe than they were in the deregulated capitalist systems of Europe in the 19th century. That has more to do with increasing technology than political ideology.
@A86 Only in the 50s Chinese lost probably over twice as many people to starvation as USSR lost in the 1930s in Ukraine. I mean they lost TWICE as many people to starvation in China in 50s as USSR lost in 30s and USSR lost over 30 MILLION people in 30s ONLY in Ukraine.
I am going to go to bed, it's late here. Have fun eating.
@romanmir01 - Wrong decade. That was the 60s. In case you didn't realize there was starvation, famine and millions of people dying under Chiang Kai-shek and Republican China as well as Mao Zedong.
Starvation in China today is not as bad as it was during the high point of the "Cultural Revolution" but saying it has gone away is very inaccurate. It's growing worse today than it was under Deng Xiaoping (under whom starvation went down). But worse are the labor problems in China.
@romanmir01 - I should know about China given it was one of my areas of focus in becoming an economist. Income has gone up among the urban middle class in China but for others it has either stagnated or outright fallen in the past 15 to 20 years. Not even getting into labor and economic problems among the 400 million new migrant workers who have found themselves often misplaced in modern times.
@A86 US has very rich 'poor' people even today, all because the gov't is destroying the US economy and the US dollar by printing it and giving it away for free now left, right and center. This will end up making people really poor though, because money itself has no value, only production has value and if money becomes known as money with no value, nobody will provide you with goods that they produce, and rightfully so.
@romanmir01 - You're making the all-too-common supply-side mistake of assuming growth is a positive in and of itself and that GDP growth automatically makes everything better. American GDP has grown since the 80s yet a lot of the American population is worse off today than they were in the 80s.
Printing money is certainly causing trouble in the US but that's not the main source of our problems as our inflation rate isn't that high yet. It's overspending and under-taxing.
@romanmir01 - The highest income bracket in the US is 35%. Not 50%. It has been 50% and higher in the past and America didn't come to a screeching halt. Besides, most rich people's money doesn't come from income. A 35% tax rate doesn't mean they give away 35% of their fortune. Less than 20% of their net worth is tied to annual income on average. So like 35% of 10-15% of their money is being taxed.
The Bible is not actually anti-wealth. God is more concerned with what you do with your wealth. Anyone with lots of money should use some of it to help others less fortunate. A 10% tithe is recommended.
@RRCSMM Do you think the middle class gets to keep a higher percentage of their income than the rich, or no? I don't care to find your stream of comments for context because the terminal I'm using can barely load this page alone and I have much to do. I noticed that you seemed to be arguing against the idea that the rich should pay lower taxes than the poor, which is something not even conservatives usually advocate. Most of your reply to me had nothing to do with that point.
@RRCSMM No, your silence says it all. To answer my own question: Nobody. Even if their tax rates were significantly lower than yours they would be paying more nominally. But that's not the case. They pay a lot more than you do.
"If you're a middle class citizen paying more taxes than the rich..."
Why does a premise like that even need be considered? There aren't any middle class citizens paying more taxes than the rich.
@4gl2u - "There aren't any middle class citizens paying more taxes than the rich"
People who earn below $350,000/year pay over 70% of all federal taxes. Most businesses pay little to no property taxes, most shareholders avoid dividend taxes and most businesses pay very little in corporate taxes.
@A86 Point me to one middle class citizen and one upper class citizen where the former pays more taxes than the latter. The rich are subject to higher tax rates and would pay more taxes than we do at the same tax rates. As Goldberg mentions in this video, the top 10 percent of people pay 70% of all federal taxes.
@4gl2u - The top 10% pay 70% of the federal INCOME tax. There are several federal taxes. If you combine them the working/middle class pays over 70% of them:
Yet the working/middle class owns less than 1/3 of the nation's income. Those who earn less than $355,000/year but more than $34,000/year pay over 67% of all federal taxes. Those who earn less than $34,000/year pay almost 6% of all fed taxes.
@A86 So the top 10% pays 30% of federal taxes, and 70% of federal income taxes? I'm not from the United States so I'm not aware of every intricacy of the tax system there. But I still don't see how anyone can say that the rich pay less taxes than we do. And I don't have access to a PDF reader at the moment, so I can't check your link.
@4gl2u - If they pay only 20-something percent of federal taxes yet earn around 70% of the nation's wealth that IS paying less taxes. Those who earn less than a third of the nation's income pay the vast majority of its taxes.
We're also not considering the vast majority of most rich people's money comes from capital gains, dividends and inheritance. Not paycheck income like most of the bottom 95%. Even if the marginal income tax was raised to 100% most rich people would still be rich.
@4gl2u - That's because the 35% income tax rate on the rich is a marginal tax. Meaning only dollars of their annual income over $250,000 are taxed. If the marginal income tax was 100% most of them would still have the $250,000 plus their hundreds of thousands to tens of millions of revenue in capital gains, property assets and other dividends.
Oooooh man, the right is going to have Goldberg's ass for the Christianity comments. I wonder how much hate mail he got from right-wing fundamentalist Christians.
Pimps, drug dealers, gun runners, hit men, carjackers, burglars and pickpockets don't pay income taxes either... there is no way to put those occupations on a 1040 without going to jail. Rich people do not pay their taxes either, they have loopholes, tax dodges, offshore bank accounts etc. the only people who pay what they owe is the middle class.
@calimar28 an indicator? So when you see a person with dark skin it indicates they are poor and lazy? So in your mind, no whites are poor and lazy, and no blacks are rich or hard working? Do you not see the blatant prejudge in your statements?
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This Bernie Goldberg acts like the money the super rich accumulated would just disappear if it wouldn´t be possessed by them. Really a strange logic and then he even requests the rest to be thankful, when they pay some taxes!!
I agree with him though that it doesn´t really matter what the bible says. But well to me in general , while for these kind of guys it would matter of course again, if they can use it for their own agenda ...
Frosty1979 2 weeks ago
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Frosty1979 2 weeks ago
Bernie Goldberg is a thug.
kingboobs20 1 month ago
@kingboobs20 I get your point but he's not a "thug".
HaydenII 2 weeks ago
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kingboobs20 1 month ago
I don't care what the bible says! . . . unless they're talking about homos.
This is why I can't stand conservative christians. They are some cherry picking mother fuckers.
JarvisComics 1 month ago
most rich people are perverted towards money, much like a pedophile is perverted towards children, at some level of wealth it turns from success to perversion, some people are so rich they dont need all of the money and theyre trying to make more, if thats not a disturbing mental perversion i dont know what is
garbageday99 1 month ago 2
The rich don't pay Tax's, like they should,when they do, the rest of us will think that's good, at last. Go FOX ?
Mailman1fb 1 month ago
Not all rich are selfish, just those that go on Fox.
Not even humble about it.
MingGuoLi 1 month ago
@1963danno True you right, rich people don't give shit. Wal mart is one of them.
liduv1977 2 months ago
WTF!@!! Heros???!! the rich!!! And the rich do alot of good?? Really!!!Fox!! Idiots, Fuck yeah jesus would be a liberal Dem. on my side!! And no rich shall enter the kingdom heaven. and if the rich do alot of good that migth explain how we are more poor and they are doing well during this recession. Heres some gratitude thank rich fucks for sending our jobs to china to increase you profits. Assholes
liduv1977 2 months ago
@1963danno Yep, so does lowering taxes. Following your logic, lowering taxes across the board builds the economy because people have more money to buy stuff. See, you only need common sense to know that high taxes kill wealth and prosperity.
Omega08082 2 months ago
@1963danno Unions are HUGE reason for why companies have exported jobs to other countries! Have you ever heard of Detroit and how it used to be the worlds largest automotive producers in the world? Do you know why the manufacturers are all now in Mexico? Because of the unions. Their stupid and preposterous demands killed the automotive industry and cost them their jobs. It forced the companies to shut down the plants and give the American jobs to harder working Mexicans. Limit unions.
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kingboobs20 1 month ago
@1963danno Why are they exporting jobs to China? Because there are so many regulations and taxes in America that it is stupid for manufacturer to not make their factories in Asian countries. Also, so what if they are being exploited? That's why there's competition. If you don't like the way your employer is treating you, go work for the competition or someone that will pay a better wage or give better bonuses. That's the beauty of capitalism. If you work hard enough, u too can be rich
Omega08082 2 months ago
@1963danno Hmmm. So what about my neighbor who has a trucking business that employs over 60 people, is he also an exception? What about the biochemical engineer that also lives next to us? He makes over $300k an year. I'm sorry but while there are rich bankers and hedge fund managers that manipulate others they are not a representation of the true rich and entrepreneurial of the American society. The rich are vilified for all the wrong reasons. I wish the rich were looked up to again
Omega08082 2 months ago
@1963danno Who do you classify as rich exactly? You OWS liberal scum are so close minded that you only look at a select few rich. There are rich people in EVERY SINGLE TYPE OF PROFESSION. Most even work for someone. Take my dad for example: He's a physician that works 7 days/week and makes almost seven figures. But he doesn't make that money off of ripping people off, he had to work those 20 hour work weeks and not have a single day off for months straight in order to gain business.
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ClockNumerology 2 months ago
I beg up you all not to think all Christians are so hypocritical,insolent and misguided as he is.
RandomJ0e 2 months ago
So who gives you a salary? Someone in the top 5% or someone under the 95th percentile? Besides, the top 5% pay over 50% of the nations taxes so quit your yapping about unfairness and how the rich don't pay their "fair share." What, you want their tax dollars to account for 80% of the nations income tax revenue? Piss off, you're just a bunch of jealous people that can't account for your own damn mistakes you made somewhere in your lives.
Omega08082 2 months ago
its ironic the dude share his first name with bernie madolf. freakin rich think they are high and mighty wait till the world goes to poop money wont be worth nothing.
eltonlaborde 2 months ago
I think it's sad that they mix together the 1% and the 0.01%.
The 1% is a group of succesfull (mostly small) businessmen, who run factories, software corporations, store chains and such. They have a businessidea, they take personal risk and they can make it succesfull for them and their employees.
The 0.01% club are the parasites in banking, who only take and never produce anything but empty promises. They are the evil ones. So Goldberg is half right in what he says.
Down with the bankers!
tukkajumala 2 months ago
theres always a jew hiding under O'Rilley's table, paying him. And the same goes to Bernie Golberg
ja0129 3 months ago
jewbalooba
xSLDR 4 months ago
thanks for the moldy bread bourgois pig!
BrattyMaddy 5 months ago
I don't get it. I'm from England and we have higher tax brackets for wealthier people doesn't it work like that in America?
WatashiwaCheese 5 months ago
@WatashiwaCheese Ronald Reagan got rid of that shit.
squishpants1 4 months ago in playlist The Young Turks
@WatashiwaCheese As that other guy said Reagan is responsible for the majority of all of our financial deregulation essentially leaving, not just the individual, but the entire economy at risk. However another issue is the infamous Bush Tax cuts. Essentially what happened was the government was taken over by the ruling class since our political system is run on private money. The Federal Reserve is another issue because it has a deal with Goldman Sachs almost exclusively.
ahhhhjjjj 3 months ago
Eat the Rich!
SuperEric39 5 months ago
I don't know why but I hate the guy from The Young Turks he is such a weener!
MooseTomson 5 months ago
@3:03 - The truest statement I think I've ever heard on fox news. Even though I'm an Atheist, I have enough respect for the concept of Jesus to be appalled how the right twist his image into somehow being for 0% corporate taxes, war, etc.
jahs389 6 months ago
*Another* PERFECT example of Fox' and the RIght's HYPOCRISY
schmoborama 6 months ago
The rich do not create the economy, the economy creates rich people.
dfg93353 6 months ago 3
I would say that it's time for a flat tax. The best chance for a balanced budget year-in and year-out is to have federal revenues = 20% of GDP. So make a flat tax of 20% for individuals, with a cut-off for those that make less than 75% median income (which would be about $20k in America) and make a flat tax of 23% for business (to cover the low end that don't make enough). Simple and fair - think GOPers or TPers would go for it?
Relbl 7 months ago
what a stupid jew
JLOZANO2 7 months ago
@JLOZANO2 You're comment makes you as bad as he is.
merocket 5 months ago
Fuck You!
IauthenticI 8 months ago
A TYPICAL JEW, now u understand why they fuck over Palestinian,s? LONG LIVE HAMAS,,, LONG LIVE HAMAS LONG LIVE HAMAS LONG LIVE HAMAS
invaliduser1000 8 months ago
marx said religion was the opium of the masses not because it's a crazed addiction, but because it's a necessary painkiller opium itself (or rather poppies) were used as a sorta tylenol if you will at one point, it's the same stuff that makes morphine and heroin though
so ultra reliance on it could kinda do a metaphorically similar thing to "the masses"
noobler9 8 months ago
No I WON'T go to netflix.com you bastards this is a political blog not some commercial channel.
shittyfagg 8 months ago
@shittyfagg couple commercial spots are alright, especially when those in question are probably some of the best innovators that are reforming a movie market that would try jackbooting people and treating possible customers with contempt :p
anyways I didn't see bill oreily's reaction after really, but it seems like a reasonable question on his part to some degree, I've heard that even he's concerned about the new people that do spots like his, he thought he was far right, and "vicious" vs libs
noobler9 8 months ago
@noobler9 could be but i think politicians and political bloggers should be independent. Or maybe not entirely independent as you're always going to be in favour of something, but at least you shouldn't be sponsored by companies that whether you like it or not have their own agenda.
shittyfagg 8 months ago
WOW COULD SOMEONE SLAP DOGSHIT OUT THIS STUPID MUTHAFUKA!!!!!
tribukaribe 9 months ago
I love it! The rich aren't religious themselves, but boy do they love taking advantage of the religious poor people's gullibility
how did Marx put it...something about relgion being the opium of the masses...
TechnoDevotee 9 months ago 21
@TechnoDevotee That may have been true in the past, but I think it's borderline paranoid to suggest that there's a rich people conspiracy using religion. I can relate to the point of what you've said though....and believe it or not, I am a socialist, as well as an anti-theist.
Oh, and that Karl Marx quote has been totally misrepresented over the years. Read the entire passage, he was making a completely different point than the one that we're accustomed to.
comanchio1976 9 months ago
Well, it's not like that fucking Jew reads the bible...
bryantppierce 10 months ago
Many of them are taking money out of this country to avoid taxes and
are buying real estate in other countries. I know this for a fact. I have
relatives who took all their money out of america to open and have other
large corporation avoid taxes. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
They love 3rd world countries which one day we will be if the GOP has their way.
samkurz 10 months ago 2
@samkurz All the ones that do that are liberals. What about GE and their love affair with Obama? They paid 0 in taxes on a $5 billion profit they made last year. What about Microsoft and Google who are also all in bed with the Obama administration and they also paid virtually no taxes. I'm sorry. But when Obama makes GE and Warren Buffet pay their "fair share" can he start talking about taxing the top 5%. Until then he'll always be a hypocrite and a naked Marxist.
Omega08082 2 months ago
fuckin rich people get alot of MONEY, but only pay a fraction of it back!!!!!
cstrikeplaya 10 months ago
Ah so when it's about protecting the rich they say fuck the bible and that we're not governed by it. But when it's about everything else. Oh we must do what the bible says.
Trickishismael360 10 months ago 23
Sweden has no rich and no poor and its GREAT! Denmark likewise. You don't need the rich to have a good society. The just need to be taxed.
SteffanLlwyd 11 months ago 2
@SteffanLlwyd ...or as John Kenneth Galbraith rightly said...
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness".
comanchio1976 9 months ago
@comanchio1976 Ah.... JKG always wrote so well (and with politeness too) about 'private weath and public squalor'. His 'Theory of Social Balance' really stands up well... post-crash. It is very hard for the neo-cons to argue that capitalism failed due to over-regulation, union power or excessive taxation of the rich. One estimate puts the total amount of speculative 'instruments' as EQUAL to the whole World's output for one year. Now that's what I call crazy stuff.
SteffanLlwyd 9 months ago
AND IT WAS THE SUPER RICH BANKERS THAT ROBBED AMERICA OF ALL ITS CAPITAL.....MY HEROES......
DeathDOer01 11 months ago
@nfwvideo1 lower taxes on corporations. increase accesability for entrepaneurs. start drilling. bring back incandecent light bulbs. reform welfare and get people off it who don''t deserve it.let the free market be free. in crease the competitions. don't go to wal-mart. and stay away from monopolies.
Cfish79 11 months ago
@nfwvideo1 wow dude. thaqnks for the lack of respect. i can see your a real liberal.
Cfish79 11 months ago
@nfwvideo1 I AM A US SERVICEMEMBER WHO IS DIFFENDING YOUR RIGHT TO HATE AMERICA!!!!!!!
Cfish79 11 months ago
@nfwvideo1 wow. force people to do something. how communist of you. thank god we live in a country that gives plenty of oppurtunities that people can take instead of making you do something you don't want to do. what have you contributed to this country may i ask?
Cfish79 11 months ago
In a world that did not accept failure, there would be nobody living on the streets just as their would be no rich people.. This type of excessiveness,is failure.
luc59457 11 months ago
The few rich in this world want most to waste their time away.. Most of the rich believe there would be a disaster if everyone got rich, they are controlling this, they are the Gods of the majority of people. Rich people are the gods in your bible.
luc59457 11 months ago
See if your god really cares... Wait till passed 2012, wait another 20 years, wait till you die, just wait and see, your god doesn't care!
luc59457 11 months ago
We don't live in an overall good world, tell that to your god
luc59457 11 months ago
Bernie, money has nothing to do with hero's in a good world.
luc59457 11 months ago
Dumb fox news... This should be fox's slogan: Fox, Making money by Brainwashing people daily
luc59457 11 months ago
It's a race with time and we are slow to make the world a better place, some are just too satisfied with the status-quo.. That is a big problem in this world. I just found out Bernie Goldberg is a big scum of this planet that is full of himself also a trait many rich people carry with them, like himself.. Little do they know, it's actually a brain chemical imbalance.
luc59457 11 months ago
@fornow100000 I believe the work I do is paid where should be, I don't take the time to calculate what I make an hour, I have a LIFE. I make my money off my investments and other assets, I put the thought into creating or purchasing them, I know what I'm doing, at least I like what I do. I would rather make nothing ever doing something I love than $Infiniti per hour doing something I feel the need to bitch about that I don't make enough on YouTube.
Rs7764 11 months ago
@Rs7764 You have a life? More than the people who process food for you to keep you alive while they count how much they made an hour?
luc59457 11 months ago
isn't this guy one of the rich ones. i bet that he makes over 250k a year and he wants his taxes increased. i'm sorry but if you want your taxes increased then ur a 'f'ing dumbum. PS celebs want democratic president so they can get a larger tax return for charities. just FYI
Cfish79 11 months ago
@Cfish79 I think it's a great idea for honest rich people to want their taxes increased to go back into the economy to potentially help make the economy a better place that much quicker.
luc59457 11 months ago
@luc59457 not when their tax dollars are going to lazy people on welfare who stay on welfare just because they can't find a job that pays better than their welfare checks. get what im saying
Cfish79 11 months ago
@luc59457 and arn't the rich not rich because they started their own companies and brought them up from nothing. isn't it the goal of every american to be wealthy. some people just need to take the oppoptunities they are given and stop taking hand outs. the main problem in this country is that no one want to EARN a paycheck anymore. people are just lazy
Cfish79 11 months ago
@Cfish79 No, the rich are not always rich because they started their own companies. Sometimes it's handouts, sometimes it's cheating the system, sometimes it's inherited, and the list goes on.. Mostly it is work and usually not from the labor or minimum wage jobs.If you think there's a fair balance in wages/residual income, you are wrong. And there will never be with currency. In 200 years, hopefully something good will change with our currency, pricing and wages, perhaps a global standard.
luc59457 11 months ago
@luc59457 so people should be punished from their families making a life for them to continue living? if i had a company that i brought up from nothing, than i want my children to continue to make it better. don't we all agree we want to make a better life for our children? and people who cheat the system get caught eventually. and global standard? global gov't? are you serious? the US is the greatest country in the world for a reason and should remain as such.
Cfish79 11 months ago
@Cfish79 The Us would be an even better country if it was one. And yes global standard, and no, not be punished... Things should be changed not in a way that would punish them. Things should be changed so there is more balance, so every family never has to struggle if they are providing to society and companies that make the most profits should be taxed in proportion, particularly if the company is promoting a harmful product (health). They should be better regulated since government allow them.
luc59457 11 months ago
@Cfish79 If you want to make a better life for future generations, it's not only about starting a company. There are lots of companies out there. It's also about what companies are best for our futures and future generations, supporting them. When we look at what's best for our childrens future look at all criteria.As for global standard, eventually, packaging waste eliminated with better tech. A lot more jobs can be created in better things, like Concentrated solar or other cleaner alternatives
luc59457 11 months ago
@luc59457 i agree. clean energy and clean resources are prefferable. but when the economy has gone down because the production of those thng are really high than we need to rethink our aproach. oil is now a necessity, hopefully it won't be. take spain for example, really GREEN country now. they have a 25% unemployment rate because of the GREEN production
Cfish79 11 months ago
@Cfish79 Well, I don't think high umemployment is a good excuse to go back to the old technologies which require more employees. It is quite the dilemma this result and I'm sure you agree. I think Arcology's is one of the bulk answers to create lots of new jobs and to become more considerate of urban sprawl in our ever growing populations. We have a government system and healthcare system, full of paperwork, creating more employment, but we all know, this too eventaully has to change.
luc59457 11 months ago
@Cfish79 well screw the jobs for once.. It's not like politicians cried when giant profitable industries moved to mexico or china for cheaper workforce in the 80s & 90s.. Now its to save our environment & we gonna care about jobs? SCREW THAT
truthmouthpiece2 9 months ago
@Cfish79 No one? There's lots of people working. The problem is there's too much room for failures in these societies and they are a burden on healthcare, education and the productivity of society. There's never enough money to fix all that, however wealthy people can choose to donate funds into this area and many others like city infrastructure. Or the the ones that can surely afford it accept a tax raise. There's too much excess of money in some hands for any sane person/company to need.
luc59457 11 months ago
@luc59457 wealthy, like celebrities... i thought they donate to charity.. oh wait... overseas charities. btw shouldn't the wealthy have some say in their own money. wouldn't they want to expand their companies and create more jobs. with less money they cannot do this.
Cfish79 11 months ago
@Cfish79 The rich in America already are very, very rich. Too bad they're not making any jobs.
Calvary48 11 months ago
38%
Rs7764 1 year ago
This Turks guy is a dumbass, proportionally and overall we wealthy do pay more in taxes, by the time federal, state, local, and social security is finished we wealthy pay upwards of 50% or more in income taxes alone. before our generous donations to charities and the poor. The peasants of this country may only at max after fed, st., loc, and soc sec pay 25% in income taxes, and the average American pays approximately 35-45% income taxes after fed, st., loc, & soc sec. If you ask me thee should
Rs7764 1 year ago
Do u think u work harder than the average american? The truth is most people in this country need 2 jobs just to make the ends meet. Why? Because they get paid nothing 4 the hard work they do everyday. HOw much are you making an hour ? Try getting up in the early am everday for 10 dollars an hour with limited sick & vacation days and a boss over ur shoulder because you were late 10 mintues. You think you are a tough man? THe working man is the tough guy & Im sorry but u are shit in comparision.
fornow100000 11 months ago
@fornow100000 Rich bosses often become pricks because they become conditioned to think all about the money... I know, I see it all the time.
luc59457 11 months ago
@aerodog2 YES!
Rs7764 1 year ago
This is Ayn Rand's idea: Ithat if the rich leave the country, it collapses. But aristocracy begats aristocracy, they inherit their wealth for the most part, whether they are hard working or not, and the top owns more and more of the wealth in this country. If the middle class collapses, then we will be living in a country like Brazil--where the rich live in towers above the ghettos and ride in helicopters.
sheamn71 1 year ago
@sheamn71 Ayn Rand's ideas deserve to be laughed out of the room. She was either a bitter, crazed, sensationalist lunatic - or else a calculating radical who was so desperate for the lime light that she'd write practically anything to get attention. Sure, when you spout off enough desperate attempts at a new morality, you say some things worth listening too - put the entire premise is sick and twisted, not to mention contradictory.
Ayn Rand be crazy. Let's stay serious.
Stairc 1 year ago
The rich deserve our gratitude! And we must worship them too! And they should pay no taxes and...we must kick all moron in the ass...
jaimeanna1412 1 year ago
Fuck the rich make them pay more and more and more
MORTONLGG 1 year ago
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Cenk said; "...Who is saying rich people are evil? No ONE has EVER said that!"
Not true. I have.
I have accused rich people of being evil. Okay, not quite but close. More accurately, 'The actions required to gain obscene amounts of wealth are often so destructive that any objective observer would have to conclude that those actions are evil'. Okay, Cenk is right, I have not called Rich people evil, just the actions of a large percentage of the rich.
CastIronCarousel 1 year ago
Cenk said; "...Who is saying rich people are evil? No ONE has EVER said that!"
Not true. I have.
I have accused rich people of being evil. Okay, not quite but close. More accurately, 'The actions required to gain obscene amounts of wealth are often so destructive that any objective observer would have to conclude that those actions are evil'. Okay, Cenk is right, I have not called Rich people evil, just the actions of a large percentage of the rich.
CastIronCarousel 1 year ago
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yayyy ayn rand, FUCK HATERS FUCK LIBS!
AWSH17 1 year ago
Top 10% in America pay 70% of the taxes. How much money do they rake in? What amount of the total earning do these top 10% earn? I would need that information before saying anything else.
DawnOfEos 1 year ago
@DawnOfEos It is about 85% of the total houshold wealth. So they actually pay a lower percentage of taxes than the wealth that they control
durhamdf 1 year ago
@durhamdf Yeah figured it would be something damning like that. These assholes bang on and on about how the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes without demonstrating how much of the income the top 10% rake in. I don't have anything against the rich or the poor, I just want it to be fair for us all regardless of our economic levels.
DawnOfEos 1 year ago
@DawnOfEos Yup, and on top of that long term capital gains tax is 15%. which is where many of these billionaires and hundred millionaires make a large proportion of their wealth. In reality some of those in the top income bracket actually pay less money in taxes overall than the lower tax brackets. And these conservatives love to act like our income tax rates are at an unpreccedented level when in reality, they are right around the 100 year low. 1980 our the tax rate for the top bracket was 70%
durhamdf 1 year ago
@durhamdf Lol. I just googled top 10% earning and found this article. Check it out it is an interesting read. sociology.ucsc(dot)edu/whorulesamerica/.
DawnOfEos 1 year ago
@DawnOfEos - what you should be comparing is what their actual effective tax rate is. Buffett has been making this point for decades. Buffett pays a smaller percentage of his income in taxes than his secretary because our tax system favors the wealthy with the 15% cap gains rate which is what the majority of their income is classified as.
dayingyang0 1 year ago
FUCK Bernie Goldman and FUCK all he has to say!!! i might pay him some respect the day he loses all his precious riches and has to support himself and a family doin minimum wage labor. but theres no fuckin way im gonna call somebody who barely does shit to get his ass wiped by golden toilet paper a HERO. FUCK THAT! thats like a slap in the damn face! fuck u Bernie Goldberg!!!!
SpecialEDabcs 1 year ago
Increase taxes? Why bother? My real concern here is that Democrats have no sense of responsibility when it comes to Budget Management. There is simply NO amount of increased tax revenues that can EVER match their desire to spend. Revenues can NEVER catch up to their spending, and the things they push are targeted primarily to reward their campaign donors. Notice that $819 Billion in 'stimulus' created no jobs to speak of, - the States got bailed out, so the Municipal Unions got paid off.
aerodog2 1 year ago
We the Corporations Transcending the Boundaries of Nations, in Order to Protect us from the People, Insure our Right to Extract and Exploit, Provide the Defence of Profit with Impunity, and Secure the Blessings of Wealth and Privilege for those Who Have it Already, Do ordain and Appropriate this Constitution of the United States of America You can't be arrested for fraud - its a company. You can do anything you want.
justonefirefly1 1 year ago
"I don't care what the bible says"....."We are not governed by the bible"
---Republicans and FOX news/Bill O Reilly should remember those lines next time when they open their big fat ugly mouths...
hougp53 1 year ago
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hougp53 1 year ago
GOP position: The rich support lazy minorities and they don't feel they shouldn't have to do it any more.
Reality: The GOP and conservative fiscal policy is snuffing out the poor AND middle class to enrich the elite class.
In 1976, the bottom 99% had 80% of wealth, but now we have 53% of american wealth...
The owner of a trucking company relies more on roads for his wealth, so he should pay more in taxes.
MaudsPas 1 year ago
BERNIE GOLDBERG can SUCK his F...ing HEROES D..KS... The only HEROES to me are those who are risking their lives fighting the wars, so himself can be on COX NEWS and lick...
MindEFX 1 year ago
@MrsRightWing
I believe what is demonstrable and has evidence to support it. Like evolution, yes. When you provide evidence for or demonstrate there is a god, or that the bible is a credible source, I will accept it. Do you only believe ancient myths?
Mattm1986 1 year ago
If anyone here from the young Turks could get in touch with me, I have recently set up a radio station here in the UK, and would love to have some audio archives of your work so I may air it for my audience, which consists mainly of students from Bradford University, as well as a smaller audience from the greater Bradford community. thanks
binkiie4dictator 1 year ago
Kill the rich to feed the poor, its the cycle of life, fuck 'em
binkiie4dictator 1 year ago 2
They did that in the USSR and China and 60 million people died of starvation. Genius plan.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
I won't give people gratitude for paying their taxes. I have a great deal of respect for men like Bill Gates who in addition to the taxes that he is mandated to pay, additionally gives more money so that it may help people.
Giving your money to the government because the law requires you to, does not make you a hero. I do not think they need to be vilified in general, though specific people have caused this country a great deal of harm
ViciousRanger 1 year ago
LETS CREATE A BRONZE IDOL WORSHIPING OURSELVES GUYS! But lets still say we're Christians.
DASRH 1 year ago
@DASRH LOL anyone who says that is a stupid ass
Tortarra2 1 year ago
@DASRH Fuck Jesus.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Cuz ima get payed son!!
xXsnowrider11Xx 1 year ago
vilified by the left? all the rich are evil? no asshole, it's not all rich people that the left hates or thinks it's evil, it's people like you, who make their living by removing any kind of remorse from anyone who profiteers of the backs of others or at the cost of the well being of the nation, who help them ignore any sense of conscience and tells them that the pleasure of the dollar outweighs any consequence of the means by which it's made, because they're the victims of income redistribution
tyrannosaurusinf14 1 year ago
@Lighthouse724 Personal taxes consist of fed tax and state tax at the minimum. In Florida there is no state tax, so people pay less.
I do know plenty of people who live in the state of New York, here is what 'the rich' end up paying:
city of New York: 9%
Fed: 33%
State: 10%
SS: 6.5%
Then add the property and sales taxes.
It ends up much higher than 50%.
So people don't pay themselves the money, they move it out of the country, it makes total sense.
romanmir01 1 year ago
ROFL about O'Reilly asking a Jew what he thinks about Jesus. Stupid ignorant gentile moron.
mcufre 1 year ago
The dream act died in the senate today! Just thought I would gloat a little lol!
calimar28 1 year ago
Republican hypocrisy at its finest.
shinyPLASTICbuttons 1 year ago
As to the rich paying their 'fair share'.
What does a 'normal' person do, when the work day ends?
What does a business person do, when the work day ends?
The rich (and not all business people end up rich of-course) do much more than 'fair share'.
Do you know what happens to society that destroys their rich and/or pushes them out? USSR past the October Revolution of 1917 happens.
No rich people? No jobs. No products. No services. Forget the money - no food.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01
How do you go from the rich paying their fair share to the rich being pushed out? Who was asking for that?
phinny5608 1 year ago
@phinny5608 It's a very easy step, you see. The rich ARE pushed out. What do you think has been happening to the capital in USA ever since the Nixon got the US off the gold standard and China opened up? The capital flight, that's what. Then came the Reagan tax increases and capital flight intensified.
I am talking about the real business capital and real businessmen of-course, not the gov't buddies in banks, and ppl like Buffet, who'd go bankrupt if it weren't for gov't handouts.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - There are countries with much higher tax rates than the US and they fare just fine. The rich aren't even paying that many taxes. Especially compared to the rich in most other developed countries.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 Sure, there are some countries with rates higher than the US. But those are not countries with growth in productive sectors.
Even Scandinavian countries are becoming more and more capitalistic and are moving away from being welfare states, because they see what is happening to the capital - it's moving out and into countries that are much more capitalistic and business friendly - Asian countries
In USA people in high income brackets pay 50% in personal taxes, that makes no sense for them
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - China has a higher corporate tax rate than the US. Obviously they have growth in productive sectors. A couple of Scandinavian countries have made some modest reforms but are still BY FAR more socialistic than the US. And upon doing so their countries haven't seen much of an increase in growth. Funny you called Asia capitalistic - Japan is another social democracy, so is India and China has a Communist party that still has some Leninist policies. Lol
A86 1 year ago
@A86 China has HIGHER corporate tax than the US? Is the Chinese 25% higher than the US corporate tax of 35%?
Canada even has lower corporate tax than US, it's around 18% in Canada today.
Sure, Scandinavian countries are moving away from socialism slowly, but they are going in the right direction at least, the US is not.
Also NOBODY borrows and spends as much as the USA.
As to Asia being socialist - they are more capitalist than the rest of the world in business. China is communist in name
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - China has less corporate tax loopholes than the US. While the US has a nominal corporate tax rate of 35% very few businesses actually pay that tax rate.
Scandinavia is experiencing a political left turn again like some of Europe. Japan is far more socialistic than the US and so is India. While China is more capitalistic than the US in some ways it's more socialistic in other ways. But China has some problems similar to the US right now.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 China has less corporate tax loopholes? WTF, have you BEEN in China?
How about you learn something about the topic first, OK?!
China has only ONE problem that is like the problem US is experiencing. China is also devaluing their currency in response to the US manipulating its. China's problem is like US's problem in that its gov't believes in devaluing the currency.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - For Chinese businesses there are less corporate tax loopholes. Aside from devaluation of currency China is experiencing increasing problems with economic inequality. Sounds like you're the one who could learn something.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 Oh, 'economic inequality', ha? As if they would have rather stayed in that wonderful economic equality they had 30 years ago. Sure, most people outside of the gov't were equal. Too bad they were absolutely equally destitute.
Economic inequality means something terrible is happening, like in the US, where people used to have better life quality and now are seeing it go down. In China, the people are seeing the quality of their lives going up, sure some see more than others, but it's rising.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - That's a pretty incorrect summary of China 30 years ago. 30 years ago they didn't have 200 million people on the brink of starvation like they have today and 400 million people living in shacks.
Because technology has gotten better doesn't mean economic conditions are improving for everyone in China. Those are two different things. The poor in the US have better technology than the poor did 50 years ago but they weren't as economically bad off as today.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 Really? China had people starving for the last 300 years. 30 years ago people were ACTUALLY starving in China, you don't know much about the country you like to discuss here at all. China has been in terrible economic conditions for 300 years and only now, for about 30 years their economy started growing all because China understood what USA has long known but lost in the last century - only private individuals improve economy by building stuff, gov'ts only make economies poor.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - Of course they've always had starving people. 30 years ago they had less people on the brink of starvation as a percentage of the population. This has been proven with actual economic figures. Their economy has been growing since the 1920s. It's been growing fastest since the early 50s though it has accelerated even more in recent times. Though economic growth has accelerated the wealth of many in the poorer 70% of the population is decreasing.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 WHAT THE FUCK? You should really learn about China before you spout out fucking nonsense.
Look up 'Great Chinese Famine', and then tell me how people in China were not starving 30 years ago. And 40 years ago. And 50 years ago.
In reality China was starving even into the 80s. Only for about 20 years now they really stopped actually starving, as in dying in droves, in millions due to lack of food. What, you don't HAVE any Chinese friends with Chinese roots to talk to about this? Too bad.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - The famine wasn't going on in 1980. There was starvation in the 80s but it was lower than today. The best times in China in modern history were the 1950s, the 1980s and the 1990s. The 2000s have had higher economic growth but increasing economic inequality.
Claiming they've stopped starving is incorrect:
factsanddetails (.) com / china (.) php ? itemid = 346 &catid= 9&subcatid=63
Apparently you haven't noticed increasing food and labor riots in China in the past 15 years.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 In 1950s? The time when China couldn't even produce enough food just to feed itself? Under the insane communist regime, that was even more brutal than the Soviet one? Are you on drugs? Do you even understand what people in USSR and China went through at all, because the gov'ts were stealing their food? The Chinese are even TALLER today just because they have better nutrition than their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents, that's just medical fact.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - The 1950s is generally regarded as the economic high point of 'Red China'. That wasn't during the "Cultural Revolution" you seem to be referring to. The problems with forced collectivism came later in the 60s and 70s. People are taller today in the social democracies of Europe than they were in the deregulated capitalist systems of Europe in the 19th century. That has more to do with increasing technology than political ideology.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 Only in the 50s Chinese lost probably over twice as many people to starvation as USSR lost in the 1930s in Ukraine. I mean they lost TWICE as many people to starvation in China in 50s as USSR lost in 30s and USSR lost over 30 MILLION people in 30s ONLY in Ukraine.
I am going to go to bed, it's late here. Have fun eating.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - Wrong decade. That was the 60s. In case you didn't realize there was starvation, famine and millions of people dying under Chiang Kai-shek and Republican China as well as Mao Zedong.
Starvation in China today is not as bad as it was during the high point of the "Cultural Revolution" but saying it has gone away is very inaccurate. It's growing worse today than it was under Deng Xiaoping (under whom starvation went down). But worse are the labor problems in China.
A86 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - I should know about China given it was one of my areas of focus in becoming an economist. Income has gone up among the urban middle class in China but for others it has either stagnated or outright fallen in the past 15 to 20 years. Not even getting into labor and economic problems among the 400 million new migrant workers who have found themselves often misplaced in modern times.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 US has very rich 'poor' people even today, all because the gov't is destroying the US economy and the US dollar by printing it and giving it away for free now left, right and center. This will end up making people really poor though, because money itself has no value, only production has value and if money becomes known as money with no value, nobody will provide you with goods that they produce, and rightfully so.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - You're making the all-too-common supply-side mistake of assuming growth is a positive in and of itself and that GDP growth automatically makes everything better. American GDP has grown since the 80s yet a lot of the American population is worse off today than they were in the 80s.
Printing money is certainly causing trouble in the US but that's not the main source of our problems as our inflation rate isn't that high yet. It's overspending and under-taxing.
A86 1 year ago
@romanmir01 - The highest income bracket in the US is 35%. Not 50%. It has been 50% and higher in the past and America didn't come to a screeching halt. Besides, most rich people's money doesn't come from income. A 35% tax rate doesn't mean they give away 35% of their fortune. Less than 20% of their net worth is tied to annual income on average. So like 35% of 10-15% of their money is being taxed.
A86 1 year ago
Warren Buffet is a gov't shill.
As to 'the rich' paying more than 15% - that's the difference between paying taxes on income and on dividends.
Dividends are already taxed CORPORATE taxes first! So in fact paying taxes on dividends is a DOUBLE income tax.
romanmir01 1 year ago
The guy watches Peter Schiff, the 'unsung heroes' was his line.
romanmir01 1 year ago
The Bible is not actually anti-wealth. God is more concerned with what you do with your wealth. Anyone with lots of money should use some of it to help others less fortunate. A 10% tithe is recommended.
BHallBrowser 1 year ago
@RRCSMM Do you think the middle class gets to keep a higher percentage of their income than the rich, or no? I don't care to find your stream of comments for context because the terminal I'm using can barely load this page alone and I have much to do. I noticed that you seemed to be arguing against the idea that the rich should pay lower taxes than the poor, which is something not even conservatives usually advocate. Most of your reply to me had nothing to do with that point.
4gl2u 1 year ago
@RRCSMM No, your silence says it all. To answer my own question: Nobody. Even if their tax rates were significantly lower than yours they would be paying more nominally. But that's not the case. They pay a lot more than you do.
"If you're a middle class citizen paying more taxes than the rich..."
Why does a premise like that even need be considered? There aren't any middle class citizens paying more taxes than the rich.
4gl2u 1 year ago
@4gl2u - "There aren't any middle class citizens paying more taxes than the rich"
People who earn below $350,000/year pay over 70% of all federal taxes. Most businesses pay little to no property taxes, most shareholders avoid dividend taxes and most businesses pay very little in corporate taxes.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 Point me to one middle class citizen and one upper class citizen where the former pays more taxes than the latter. The rich are subject to higher tax rates and would pay more taxes than we do at the same tax rates. As Goldberg mentions in this video, the top 10 percent of people pay 70% of all federal taxes.
4gl2u 1 year ago
@4gl2u - The top 10% pay 70% of the federal INCOME tax. There are several federal taxes. If you combine them the working/middle class pays over 70% of them:
(dot) cbo (dot) gov / publications / collections / tax / 2010 / AverageFedTaxRates2007 (dot) pdf
Yet the working/middle class owns less than 1/3 of the nation's income. Those who earn less than $355,000/year but more than $34,000/year pay over 67% of all federal taxes. Those who earn less than $34,000/year pay almost 6% of all fed taxes.
A86 1 year ago
@A86 So the top 10% pays 30% of federal taxes, and 70% of federal income taxes? I'm not from the United States so I'm not aware of every intricacy of the tax system there. But I still don't see how anyone can say that the rich pay less taxes than we do. And I don't have access to a PDF reader at the moment, so I can't check your link.
4gl2u 1 year ago
@4gl2u - If they pay only 20-something percent of federal taxes yet earn around 70% of the nation's wealth that IS paying less taxes. Those who earn less than a third of the nation's income pay the vast majority of its taxes.
We're also not considering the vast majority of most rich people's money comes from capital gains, dividends and inheritance. Not paycheck income like most of the bottom 95%. Even if the marginal income tax was raised to 100% most rich people would still be rich.
A86 1 year ago
@4gl2u - That's because the 35% income tax rate on the rich is a marginal tax. Meaning only dollars of their annual income over $250,000 are taxed. If the marginal income tax was 100% most of them would still have the $250,000 plus their hundreds of thousands to tens of millions of revenue in capital gains, property assets and other dividends.
A86 1 year ago
Stick to HBO Sports Bernie not GOP TV oh I meant Fox News same difference
MPA34 1 year ago
"Now let's rob the bank, give the money to the poor, then rob the poor, and shoot the money!"
~The Simpsons Tree House of Horror 14.
:P
Joxman2k 1 year ago
Oooooh man, the right is going to have Goldberg's ass for the Christianity comments. I wonder how much hate mail he got from right-wing fundamentalist Christians.
YaoiHuntressEarth 1 year ago
@RRCSMM
Who is arguing that the middle class should pay more taxes than the rich?
4gl2u 1 year ago
A message to the greedy, bourgeois, bastards rich that dont pay there taxes enough, KISS MY ASS. PERIOD!!
lapiz4azulli 1 year ago
Pimps, drug dealers, gun runners, hit men, carjackers, burglars and pickpockets don't pay income taxes either... there is no way to put those occupations on a 1040 without going to jail. Rich people do not pay their taxes either, they have loopholes, tax dodges, offshore bank accounts etc. the only people who pay what they owe is the middle class.
ReligionIsSophistry 1 year ago
@calimar28 black people like entitlements? POOR people like entitlements and so do the RICH
LordTitus7 1 year ago 2
@calimar28 an indicator? So when you see a person with dark skin it indicates they are poor and lazy? So in your mind, no whites are poor and lazy, and no blacks are rich or hard working? Do you not see the blatant prejudge in your statements?
LordTitus7 1 year ago