Atheist keep aborting their babies because they're too busy pursuing a career or hoping to be popular like a the cool rich atheist. You idiot atheist are reducing your fitness. You fuckers are being out bred! lol
mmm these fundamentalists clearly do not know what dictates a forward thinking political mandate when the worlds biggest aim right know should be slow down the growth of the human population, an aim which should be above greenhouse gas emission reduction as a decrease in population will ultimately result in fulfilling this secondary aim.
Democratic society is opposed to the spirit of egalitarian society; in democracy the many get to dominate the few and the few often have no voice.
In a egalitarian society every sector of society has a voice and the many must respect the few and vice-versa. In an egalitarian society each group would have representative from that group; and the main part of the administrative government would chosen by merit of the best of each group and then of the whole.
The backwards cloud coo-coo land mentallity this man exhibits is really quite astonishing. We in fact DID used to live like Hutterites & Amish. Maybe not Hutterites w/ their collectivism. It is not "Fundies" who are pulling away. It is the relatively new phenomenon of secularism which is pulling away from the rest of historic humanity. Wasn't until the 1930s that the 1st Christian community made allowances for contraception. It was illegal in most states. The depraved can't see their depravity.
Add to that, all the sex between abstinence and repression preaching fundie clergy and their mistresses and sex workers, and that accounts for even more breeding!
The offspring of fundamentalist might be raised in an intellectually restrictive environment of indoctrination, but that does not always determine that those children will remain fundamentalists once they reach adulthood. My parents were and are still fundamentalists, yet I do not share their beliefs. The sad thing is that the majority of the children will succumb to brainwashing, but hopefully a few of them will outgrow the damage that was done to them in their early years.
After the English conquered the French in Quebec, the French Catholic church advocated "revenge of the cradle," and saw some of the highest family sizes in the 19th century, in to the 20th century. In fact, it backfired. Having so many children kept them poor; very poor. This strategy can only backfire on anyone who tries it. Look around the world for the last 100 years. Power and prosperity have gone to those families, communities and countries who have reduced their family size.
Sadly, there's nothing we as secular people could do about this kind of warfare. Perhaps governments will eventually crack down on these leaches who (in many cases) collect welfare to support their irresponsibly made extra large families. And it's not one specific sect or religion that encourages this sort of selfish procreation. For real world examples, check out Kiryas Joel, NY or FLDS Mormon communities. Welfare is for the working poor, not for the people who continually cause it.
@ivlfounder didnt say he did. Many CEOs arent like that. Im just saying, CEOs dont do all the work, just like he didnt. He did more to lead the project than to actually get the real work done, though he did do some of it. hes not dumb, hes just crazy for believing in contradicting things
Who said he did all the work? I've never heard anyone say he did all the work, why is this even being brought up?
The fact remains that even if all he did was lead the project he's done a lot for humanity.
That you can't see this sounds like the people who didn't want to respect the work of George Washington Carver because they couldn't bring themselves to deal with the fact that a Black man was smarter than them.
@ivlfounder of course hes done a lot for humanity. plenty of religious people have.
the point is that the religion is more of a ball and chain because it requires you to defy logic.
thus, religion is objectively holding humanity back. we would have a lot more scientists and engineers if people took reality more seriously instead of their stupid bible
@ivlfounder Yes they are, if you werent so concerned with cherry picking my comment you would see how christians are blatantly holding back society, despite the fact that few have done good.
@ivlfounder christians are holding back society, despite collins and the other few christians who help society.
You can literally have 1 million christians who are scientific geniuses contributing to humanity, and given the numbers of christians out there who are actually scientifically illiterate, my statement holds up perfectly.
You are dumb, and you pose no challenge. Go away.
@endauthority i am agnostic, most scientists were european christians: from newton to einstein.
Now, atheism will die (as ideology) - lets be honest, after 40 years you will be old, and the only babies around you will be: muslims (in Europe). Most atheists have zero to 1 kid, most muslims have 6-10... are you that ignorant to believe that your ideology (atheism) have a chance?
@DanishGreatDane Just because a child is born to Muslim parents does not mean that that child will inevitably grow up to be Muslim themselves in their beliefs. It makes it more likely, but not a fact. You believe atheism will not last basically because it is an idea instead of something that is inherited.
And in terms of statistical data, there have been a range of studies about scientists and religious beliefs and most suggest that around 60% of scientists are atheistic or agnostic
@GetOverIt2 Muslims actually will kill the Apostates. In muslim nations = muslims are from 82 to 99% part from the population. In the Muslim areas (ghettos, slums, retarded schools): muslim Youth is much more anti-secular than their parents. I am agnostic... do i really care for religion? No. Do i care for preservation of western values, yes. Most "atheists" actually support Sharia, in UK there are even gay/lesbian support groups of Hamas. Hamas kill gays, and yet the brits are that retarded :)
@DanishGreatDane Canada projects that by 2031, Canada will have anywhere from 2.5 to 3.3 million Muslims, up from 884,000 in 2006. Within Toronto alone, the projected Muslim population ranges from 1.1 to 1.5 million in 2031, up from 393,000 in 2006
I don't understand what the problem is. If secularists don't want to be outbred they ought to stop killing the children they're naturally having through abortion. I'm a pro-life secularist. My pro-life stance has nothing to do with theology, but rather with the obvious fact that groups that don't, or severely limit their procreation go extinct. As it stands now, secular societies are unable to sustain their current populations regardless of whether or not the Duggers have 18, 19, or 20 kids.
@tabber87 - So you prefer a populated society over a prosperous society? Legalized abortions do not limit procreation, they may lower it, but limitation is the wrong term. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. Access to safe legalized abortions and contraception have also been shown to have a correlation to decreases in poverty and crime. In an increasingly overpopulated world should we really be advocating more population? Don't get me wrong...I have 3 kids, could have had more.
Atleast they're having children unlike the rest of the west which is dieing.It could be worse,it could be Muslims outbreeding the rest of society which is happening in Europe.If those who are secular can't be bothered having children and abort millions every year don't come crying when the lunatics take over the planet.
It's well established that immigrants help keep the popultaion balanced. This is why I am in support of immigration reform that will legalise the undocumented that are already in this country. It benefits the citizen and the illegal who is just looking for work.
One reason I am not worried about the greater number of children that fundamentalists have is that a handful of talented and educated people can exercise more control over politics and culture than a large number of uneducated simpletons. So while fundamentalists may reproduce more, they do so at the expensive of quality education for their kids, while the secular liberals, though producing fewer kids, equip them with better tools to navigate their way through this world.
Yes, we must sew their women up, No! Modernity calls that their children's milk be posionned. What is this guy on? GEEZUS! IS he suggesting that the breeding of a minority is a threat?
this is such an ignorant video. yes, people have children specifically for the purpose of outbreeding those with differing opinions. if anyone is fundamentally obsessed with this topic.........it's fora tv.
Most of their children will become secularists. Now children have access to information and aren't dependent on the church for all of their education. How many atheists out there were once Christians? I was raised by extremely fundamentalist parents.
When this topic is brought up, I notice that one factor usually gets left out.
Many fundamentalists are converted rather than born into fundamentalism. But many people born into fundamentalism end up leaving (either attending a more mainstream church or become non-religious).
Even though the non-religious may not have as many children as the far right fundies, the non-religious are still one of the fastest growing demographics in the US.
@MarmaladeINFP you have to take into consideration, that a lot of atheists in america lived hidden from public, pretending to be christian, to make their life easier in their community. The rising amount of atheists in public, made it easier for them to out themselves.
In statistics, they rise rapidly. But in reality most of them just didn't express their non-faith.
What he is stating in the vid is that fundamentalists tend to have more children, missparenting them to be like them.
@liquidminds I was basing my opinion on other data I'd heard about which he didn't mention in this clip. As I recall, it was about evangelicals and so I'm not sure it applies to all fundamentalists. The data was that most people born into evangelicalism leave and most people who evangelicals through conversion. Of course, many people leaving evangelicalism don't leave Christianity entirely. What you said about atheists isn't directly related to what I was talking about.
the fundamentalist version of religion is becoming incompatible with the modern society, having more child birth in fundamentalist families isn't going to change that. all that will end up happening is that there will be more people who are "raised christian".
I've known a couple of people who came from very conservative religious backgrounds who became atheist/agnostic or at least a secular-type christianity (don't go to church at all). Children aren't total puppets. They often reject their parents ways especially if they are brutal.
@volound please cite the source for your argument if you're not going to change a word of the argument. or do some research on your own and develop the argument.
@volound.well,if you have ACTUALLY read the Quran,then pls tell me if it really teaches hate or not.becuz most people on youtube say that they have but when u start questioning them,it turns out to be false.
@volound.it means that u r a fake and u have not read the Quran.now pls,dont start giving me verses of the Quran,which probably r going to be out of context,and leave me alone.
@umerjavednisar lol. ive read it twice. and i can honestly say it was profoundly mediocre, and repetitive.
having read it, it didnt change my opinion of islam, just verified what i already knew.
saying "u have not read the Quran" wont help you.
and like i said, your context argument falls on its face. if you watched the debate instead of just dismissing it out of hand, which is what you accused ME of doing, you would know that.
you are being willfully ignorant and intellectualy dishonest.
i base my views on islam on the qur'an, on hadiths, on the tafsirs and on conversations with muslims. i read about islamic jurisprudence. i have NOT been exposed to propaganda. i am skeptical.
you are not though.
but to answer your question... ignorance, politically correct propaganda,
its 1400 years old. it contains nothing unknown at the time and is exactly what i would expect if i were to pick up a book written by a schizophrenic warmongering paedophile.
there are no scientific "miracles" in the qur'an because the qur'an was written by mortal men.
but if you think otherwise, feel free to direct me to one. i couldnt find any.
@volound.i asked u if u found any good lesson for life in the Qura.by what u said u r unfortunately again sounding like a fake.now u really have lost my trust,not that u needed it,but i just said it.
@umerjavednisar if i ask you if theres anything good in mein kampf, and you say no, that doesnt mean you didnt read it, that just means you thought it was a shitty book. the same goes with me and the qur'an.
stop being so illogical. why is it impossible for someone to have read the qur'an and not liked it?
like i said. the book is archaic, abhorrent and immoral. muhammad was not a good man.
the qur'an is just like any other book. nothing in it implies divine origin. NOTHING.
@volound.why arent you answering my question?did you find anything good in the Quran,like care for people,do charity,dont do bad deeds and stuff like that?
@umerjavednisar thats all common sense. if i thought i needed a book to tell me that i would probably kill myself.
its disgusting and sad that you think you dont hurt people because of a book. you dont hurt people because you are a good person and not sadistic, thats all there is to it.
if the qur'an explained 1400 years ago special relativity, or how the universe formed, how the earth formed, how humans evolved, how procreation works, that would be good.
@volound.ok dude,u r making a fool out of yourself.i asked you this question becuase i wanted to see if you had really read the Quran or not.i will give u a last chance.does the Quran teach anything good at all or not?
@umerjavednisar i just explained this. what the fuck is wrong with you?
i could get my 9 year old brother to tell me something good about the qur'an. all he has to do is GOOGLE it. all i have to do is GOOGLE it. saying something good about the qur'an proves absolutely nothing, especially that someone has read the whole thing.
i want to stress this to you.... I JUST EXPLAINED THIS.
im curious, do you accept evolution like the entire scientific community, or do you reject it like a true muslim?
@umerjavednisar retarded questions necessitate retarded responses. your question was retarded, as i demonstrated, and im not capable of retarded responses. sorry.
but if you honestly believe that my unwillingness to say anything that is good about the qur'an comes from having not read it (despite being able to google something good within seconds), then you can believe that. your delusions are your problem, just dont expect me to be as gullible as you.
@volound.this proves that you believe that the Quran has good messages.
your also proved your self-defence mechanism by calling my simple questions retarded.
I will give u an advice.READ THE QURAN.so that when the truth comes out you dont turn out to be a fool!
there is a reason i keep saying that you havent read the Quran.this is because i am a Muslim and i have read the Quran and i know there is no hate in it.even from a non-Muslim perspective there is no hate.
@umerjavednisar i believe mein kampf, the old testament, the anarchist cookbook has good messages. that has nothing to do with whether or not it is true.
because your question IS RETARDED. YOU THINK SOMEONE CAN PROVE THEY HAVE READ A BOOK BY GOOGLING ITS GOOD VERSES. please tell me.... HOW IS THAT NOT RETARDED????
i have read the qur'an....
you believe i deserve to go to hell because i dont agree with you. you believe this because your holy book tells you. how the FUCK is that not hateful?
@volound.most religions believes that if any person doesnt believe in their religion he will go to hell(including Christianity and Judaism).and you going to hell for not believeing in Islam is not my business.this is between you and God.i dont hate you.the Quran doesnt teach any hate,the people who told you this pick verses out of context and try to fool you.the sad thing is intelligent and educated people like u r falling in this trap.trust me,the Quran doesnt teach hate.watch the videos i gave
i know the choice is not yours. and i know you dont hate me. but do you think i deserve to go to hell i.e. be tortured forever or not?
and i think all religions are bad and most are hateful. but saying other religions are like that is feckless. i dont care. if i was religious then that would be an argument to square at me, but im not.
if the qur'an doesnt teach hate then why did muhammad kill people? why did he order executions and stonings? what the fuck.
@volound.i dont think you should be tortured forever.i dont care because its nothing of my concern.this is your personal matter with God.If you read the Quran then you will know that a God exists and that god wants you to surrender yourself to Him.you owe your existence to Him.you know that there exists such a Book.Mans nature was designed by God to be a curious one.It means that you should be curious to what is in that Book.and when you read it you will find God and you'll be granted heaven.
I AM AN ATHEIST. i dont believe god exists. i dont have evidence, and probably never will.
the qur'an says that i deserve to be tortured forever for that. you believe that the qur'an was ordained to muhammad by god, and therefore is perfect. if it says that i deserve to be tortured forever and you think the qur'an is perfect, then HOW can you not think i deserve to be tortured forever? isnt that arrogant? its what god says i deserve.
@volound.the Quran says that you will be punished if you dont believe in God.
do you really think that you owe God nothing for your existence.what does he ask you for.Just to believe in Him.Just to help the poor and love humanity.Just to take sometime of the day and remember Him.Just to be a nice person.
I think believing that their is no God takes more faith than it takes to believe in Him.that we were created by an accident.Islam is pro-science and the Quran has enough evidence to prove it.
@umerjavednisar That a book exists is only proof of a book, not of a god or the divinity or even truth of anything in that book. By your logic Harry Potter is proof that magic is real, The Hobbit is proof of orcs, trolls and dragons and Wind in the Willows is proof of talking animals. Even after reading these books I know that those creatures are not real, just as reading the bible or the quran didn't make god pop into existance. The claim can't make itself true. It just doesn't work that way.
@PanWolven.i didnt mean to say that the book says that God exists but the proof that God gives in the Quran of his existence.i was refering to the scientific facts in the Quran that no one would have known in the era it was revealed.
@umerjavednisar That scientific quran nonsense has been so thuroughly debunked that I don't see how anyone could still be using it. First off, those so called scientific facts are always just modern science pasted onto cherry picked interpretations that hold no literal scientific meaning at all. Second, even if the quran was full of scientific facts, which it most certainly is not, it still would not prove god, only that medieval arabs were really good scientists.
@volound.sure,i would do that.but you also have to take into consideration that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was an illiterate man.i know you will say that all of these miracles existed in the time of the Prophet(even though they didnt),but u cant do anything about this
@umerjavednisar are you serious? why would he need a microscope when he has the word of an angel sent by an omniscient being.
if you are honestly putting forward the argument that "muhammad didnt know" then you clearly havent thought about this enough.
this video explicitly refutes your attempted miracle regarding embryology, if you think the video is wrong, explain, otherwise, accept it is not a miracle. /watch?v=0XLg-SRGMNk
@volound.Did u even watch what i told you to.watch at 6:10.thats it!the 1 i am talking about is not discussed in your video and will never be,because whenever i talk about this one with anyone like you,they run away.you see thats the reason this guy didnt discuss this in his video.
and the other things that he "debunked" can not be done in front of a Muslim scientist.
1 more thing to remember,MUHAMMAD WAS ILLITERATE!!!HOW DID HE KNOW ALL OF THIS???????
@umerjavednisar yes i did. thats how i knew what video refuted it. im getting sick of you. you are so fucking illogical.
muslim scientist is an oxymoron. more scientific papers have been produced by spain than the entire arab world combined. your universities teach theology, ours teach biology. why do you think muslims believe adam and eve isnt complete bullshit?
muhammad was illiterate? prove it. you cant.
im sick of this. you are too deluded for dialogue to be of any use. typical muslim.
@volound.who is being logical here?at 6:10 of the video i gave it says that the Quran says that in the initial weeks of conception the fetus looks like a leech,which was not discussed in the video u gave me.Muslim scientists is an oxymoron?out of 6 million doctors in the USA 4 million r Muslims.so that argument is debunked.when the Muslims were the world power U people used to learn science from us IN ARABIC!CONT>>>>>>>
@umerjavednisar GALEN said the fetus looked like a leech. BEFORE THE QUR'AN DID. and btw, it doesnt look like a leech. google leach then google fetus.
doctor? lmao. zakir naik is a doctor. zakir naik is a complete retard who rejects evolution. and you probably do to. despite evolution being a FACT. where is evolution in the qur'an? did god forget to tell muhammad where his species came from?
@volound.there are thousands of non-Muslim scientists around the world who reject evolution.so if Zakir Naik does too,its no big deal.BTW ,you r the 1 who said there is no proof that Muhammad was illiterate.Every historian,including non-Muslim, in the world believes Muhammad was illiterate.why dont you READ carefully what burden of proof means.
@umerjavednisar oh really? so why are there hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed scientific journals that SUPPORT evolution, while there are NONE that refute it?
cite ONE scientific journal that has been peer reviewed, and refutes evolution.
you cant. your country has lied to you.
name a post-darwin muslim biologist/phylogenist that explicitly reconciles their religion with the science of biology.
you cant. do yourself a favour and actually learn. even the pope realizes evolution is true.
@volound.because this is mass propaganda,and u r a victim of it.My country lied to me.did you say MY COUNTRY?
you want to see a post Darwin CHRISTIAN scientist who says science is not ultimate answer?
/watch?v=BG0F6wwwDXM&feature=related
watch from 3:39-5:20 atleast,or if you consider yourself a researcher ,atleast watch the first 3 parts of this series.Researchers read every book every document they think can be useful and then come to a conclusion.if u think u r,then u must do so too.
Those verses are not picked out of context at all. Those verses have their own context and general and or particular rules are derived from those even according to traditional Islamic theology and fiqh (jurisprudence).
Quran does teach hate against non-believers in Islam (theistic, polytheistic or atheistic) in general. This was confirmed by experts e.g. here:
@Wrath0fKhan exactly. i was going to engage him on this issue, but it seemed tertiary.
i would have said something like "unless it was opposite day, i cannot conceive of any possible context within the spectrum of available historical contexts in which "slay them wherever you find them" could possibly be alleviated sufficiently, unless of course it was said on opposite day".
but he had trouble accepting that ive read the qur'an and dont buy it. so i didnt even bother.
@Wrath0fKhan.the pls show us those verses,including five verses before one particular verse and five verses after that particular verse.if you will read those verses you will find out that you have been lied to.
I refer to experts. I can refer directly to Islamic literature, too.
Umdat al-Salik wa Uddat al-NasikA
Book O, Justice
"o1.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
(1) ..
(2) a Mu for killing a non-Mu
(3) a J or C subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a subject .. is under its protection, while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences)
(4) a father or mother .. for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring"
For example check out the Quranic Surah Al-Imran, Verse 85. Its practically something like an epitome of ultimate social racism. What do the 5 previous and 5 next verses say?
The 5 previous verses discuss the covenant of the prophets, the rebellious, submission (to Allah) and affirmation of submission (to Allah). The 5 next verses discuss the "zalimun", curse of Allah, brutal eternal punishment, possibility of repentance, impossibility of repentance.
@Wrath0fKhan.Surah Imran,verse 85 says,"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."
pls point out the racism in this verse so we can see who is lying here.you r one of the experts arent you?
"your a bigot who is also a racist and a islamophobe"
Who is against free inquiry, freedom of belief, criticism, homosexuals, free love, alcohol, gambling, non-halal food, etc.? Not me. Its Islam. So its "you" who certainly the bigger bigot and racist is, not me. BY DEFINITION.
And why a "phobe"? A phobia is defined as irrational fear. Being afraid of Mahoundianism is certainly not irrational at all.
Sooner or later Muslims will be either forced to adapt, will be either put in reeducation camps, or will be removed altogether from Europe. Its a natural consequence of the current trends.
@Wrath0fKhan .... ..... ... ya i believe you . whats next kick black people and brown people and red people and yellow people and white muslims out of europe!??
your funny the zionists rule the western governments, your too late!
you know it !
god bless islamic immigration
you can HATE ALL YOU WISH
YOU CAN HATE BLACK PEOPLE ALL YOU WISH
YOU CAN HATE COLOURED PEOPLE ALL YOU WISH
bigot
go to your govt and cry out get the muslims out of the white homelands !!!
@bosasosolja "kick black people and brown people" What are you a racist? Well, Mahound was one, so if you strictly emulate his behavior, you are likely one, too. See: watch?v=H8-JiZlfTyA "god bless islamic immigration" God? Who is that? Your imaginary friend? "bigot" Thats what you are. This was already demonstrated. "white homelands" Just like Jannat? Where all celestial prostitutes are so pale that they are almost transparent? "gov will arrest u" No, they will arrest you.
@Wrath0fKhan. i dont see what evidence you have provided.i asked you what was racist in that verse and u didnt answer me.u can believe what you want to believe,but the Quranic scientific facts have never been debunked in front of a Muslim scientist.
@umerjavednisar "i dont see what evidence you have provided" Those verses youve been asking for. "what was racist" The verse is the epitome of "social racism". It excludes everyone and everything unislamic. "Quranic scientific facts" Thats plain nonsense. "Muslim scientist" Thats an oxymoron. "in front of" Its the other way around. Scientists demonstrate their findings to their peers and eventually even to laity. None of those "scientists" have ever done anything like that. Case closed.
@Wrath0fKhan.which verses?if you are talking about Surah Imran,verse 85 says,"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."what is wrong in that?Quranic scientific facts have been the topic on many science debates.many scientists accepted Islam after reading the Quran.Scientists who have ever debated with a Muslim scientist on Quranic facts have always lost the debate.you can find them on youtube too.
@umerjavednisar "which verses" Exactly those. "Surah Imran, verse 85" Yes. "Whats wrong with it" Its socially racist. It denies my rights to choose and still stay accepted. "many science debates" Erm... No... I think you are confusing "real science" with "show". "always lost debate" Even if, which is of course nonsense, its irrelevant, since you have no actual science. You (or anyone else) cant demonstrate those claims. "YT" Ive personally debunked many of them...
@Wrath0fKhan.dr.William campbell vs. dr.zakir naik.william campbell was the guy who wrote a book that "debunked" Quranic miracles.and see what happened to him.search his name on youtube.
Ive seen that stuff like 4 years ago. Its irrelevant. Neither of them is an accomplished scientist. Neither of them is a historian. Neither of them published their thesis in relevant scientific peer reviewed literature (although debunking miracles is something commonly demonstrated by the broader skeptic society). Naiks academic degree is not a doctor. His degree is of a "practitioners" character (e.g. MBSS). In any case, Naiks thesis was shown to be invalid.
@umerjavednisar dawkins once said that debating creationists is pointless. it gives them credibility they wouldnt otherwise have.
i dont know where you live, but in britain, we laugh at people like zakir naik. we LAUGH at harun yahya. and we LAUGH EVEN HARDER at the people that think he isnt bullshitting.
that reminds me. search up harun yahya richard dawkins. tell me that harun yahya doesnt get his ass handed to him.
@umerjavednisar what the hell? have you not heard of the anthropic principle? do you not understand cosmology or biology? seriously.
do you want to know what the most compelling argument for islam being false is? because ill be completely honest and tell you.
i know islam is false because all the people that believe it are IGNORANT. stupid just like you. not a single muslim ive met on youtube understands evolution. and no biologists ive met are muslim.
what im trying to tell you is that you are a muslim because you have no choice. you are too stupid and ignorant, maybe you can help it, but you clearly dont want to.
you are a muslim because you CANNOT CONCEIVE of any alternatives.
i want you to know that throughout this whole argument, ive tried to be polite. i really, really tried. but if someone doesnt tell you that you are illogical and stupid, then you wont know.
do yourself a BIG favour, and read some books (not qur'an).
@volound.Since you have no choice but to deny any kind of religion,i dont blame you.u think that it is COOL to be an athiest.i am the ignorant one,huh?You r the 1 who thinks we just got made by ourselves.
just like the science said a few centuries ago that the earth is flat and we are in the center of the universe and that the sun rvolves around us,you r saying that evolution is true.people like you used to laugh at any alternative theories.just like the Nazis SCIENTIFICALLY found that they CONT
@umerjavednisar being "cool" has nothing to do with it. im an atheist because i care about whether or not my beliefs are true. you dont.
to have faith, is to stifle your doubts through self-enforced prevention of the consideration of the effects of contradictory ideas on your beliefs. and thats exactly what you have been doing your whole life.
@volound.i have a simple idea.the idea says that v have been created.v have a purpose that is y everyhing is perfect on earth for us to survive.on d other hand their r misguided people like u,who think we just evolved by ourselves.and i hv never even HEARD that their have been debates if biology should be taught in our unis or not.u said that the Quran teaches hate.just show me 1 verse in the Quran that teaches hate.there are hundreds of books written against evolution and thousands of articles.
@volound.were a superior race,you think you r more intelligent than others.Science,my dear,in every era has thought that it has reached its peak.but in reality it is NAIVE.you can follow your ego or you can read history.God says that He has shown you enough signs to believe in Him.But it is up to you to either follow Him or your EGO!!
do YOURSELF a big favour and ACTUALLY read the Quran and also some,non-religious but scientific,books which deny and debunk the theory of evolution..
@umerjavednisar you are completely wrong. why is it that its always religion that has to catch up with scientific discoveries, and not the other way around?
what was the outcome of the kitzmiller vs dover case, again?
why are there massive debates your universities as to whether or not BIOLOGY SHOULD BE TAUGHT?
i read the qur'an, and ive said this about 10 times you dumb fucking imbecile.
there are ZERO peer reviewed papers that debunk evolution. and OVER 400,000 THAT SUPPORT IT.
@volound i'm only saying that, if you're going to use sam harris's argument word for word, at least say something like "as sam harris pointed out". i'm not saying all religions are exactly the same. i'm just saying parroting other people's arguments is bad.
Religious fundamentalist are often lower income people. Look at israel: fundamentalist(orthodox) jews are predominately lower income people. They live off of welfare. It's a huge financial burden. And many of the orthodox cause a lot of trouble in the country. "Talmudistan" is what secular Jews refer to when discussing the problems their fundamentalists cause. So not only are religious fundamentalist a pain in the a__ socially, they are often a financial burden to the state.
What's the problem? Darwin's principles apply: the strong thrive and the weak die. There may well be a greater plan in this than any atheist would care to admit. : )
The only puzzle is what he means by 'fundamentalist.' The word 'atheist' now carries nuances and properties non-believers seem to fundamentally believe are right there in the dictionary definition, such as a monopoly on intelligence, reason and truth.
This is not so. An atheist is 'without God.' Period.
Even if they do out breed it doesn't matter. It is quality not quantity that counts.
attemptingtobehumble 2 months ago
Atheist keep aborting their babies because they're too busy pursuing a career or hoping to be popular like a the cool rich atheist. You idiot atheist are reducing your fitness. You fuckers are being out bred! lol
chris7777777777777 2 months ago
@chris7777777777777 Go fuck yourself!
Exli3r 1 day ago
mmm these fundamentalists clearly do not know what dictates a forward thinking political mandate when the worlds biggest aim right know should be slow down the growth of the human population, an aim which should be above greenhouse gas emission reduction as a decrease in population will ultimately result in fulfilling this secondary aim.
MrLukeroberts91 4 months ago
Democratic society is opposed to the spirit of egalitarian society; in democracy the many get to dominate the few and the few often have no voice.
In a egalitarian society every sector of society has a voice and the many must respect the few and vice-versa. In an egalitarian society each group would have representative from that group; and the main part of the administrative government would chosen by merit of the best of each group and then of the whole.
Adeikov 6 months ago
The backwards cloud coo-coo land mentallity this man exhibits is really quite astonishing. We in fact DID used to live like Hutterites & Amish. Maybe not Hutterites w/ their collectivism. It is not "Fundies" who are pulling away. It is the relatively new phenomenon of secularism which is pulling away from the rest of historic humanity. Wasn't until the 1930s that the 1st Christian community made allowances for contraception. It was illegal in most states. The depraved can't see their depravity.
VictorLepanto 8 months ago
Add to that, all the sex between abstinence and repression preaching fundie clergy and their mistresses and sex workers, and that accounts for even more breeding!
revbookburn 8 months ago
christians will win.. its a struggle now but numbers will overpower ideas lol
selfsenter 1 year ago
@selfsenter ya sure ..ya sure. god bles islamic immigration you cant stop the WAVES OF MUSLIMS TO THE WEST!
bosasosolja 1 year ago
Thank you mainstream news for NOT having this man talk about this on your channel. We need to breed more and more believers! Whoa!
jshjamaar 1 year ago
I saw Joe Rogan do a bit in Boston about dumb people out fucking smart people. It's funny to see this guy make a speech about a similar subject.
orarkcray 1 year ago
As long as 500 000 000 MILLION WHITE FEMALES DO NOT HAVE any babies, i am happy!
Go secularism! GO low white birth rates ! go low asian birth rates!
afrikanbadboy 1 year ago
The offspring of fundamentalist might be raised in an intellectually restrictive environment of indoctrination, but that does not always determine that those children will remain fundamentalists once they reach adulthood. My parents were and are still fundamentalists, yet I do not share their beliefs. The sad thing is that the majority of the children will succumb to brainwashing, but hopefully a few of them will outgrow the damage that was done to them in their early years.
Amy2838 1 year ago
this is easy to explain...feminists don't have babies very often and they are generally secular.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago 2
After the English conquered the French in Quebec, the French Catholic church advocated "revenge of the cradle," and saw some of the highest family sizes in the 19th century, in to the 20th century. In fact, it backfired. Having so many children kept them poor; very poor. This strategy can only backfire on anyone who tries it. Look around the world for the last 100 years. Power and prosperity have gone to those families, communities and countries who have reduced their family size.
lugger11 1 year ago
@ratsnacage1 In this manner, the thoughtful don't carry on their DNA to make the world safe for all life.
truvelocity 1 year ago
Sadly, there's nothing we as secular people could do about this kind of warfare. Perhaps governments will eventually crack down on these leaches who (in many cases) collect welfare to support their irresponsibly made extra large families. And it's not one specific sect or religion that encourages this sort of selfish procreation. For real world examples, check out Kiryas Joel, NY or FLDS Mormon communities. Welfare is for the working poor, not for the people who continually cause it.
checkunderyourbed 1 year ago
"Are Fundamentalists Aiming to Out-Breed Secular America?"
I hope for most it's just a byproduct of other matters and not the goal.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
lol christians always acting like cavemen. if you cant use logic to defend your god, out breed them with indoctrinated youth!
Your kids have a mind of their own, us atheists have come from religious backgrounds too, you primitive fucks.
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
Have you seen what the Muslims are doing in the UK as well as other parts of Europe right now?
elsquibbs 1 year ago
@elsquibbs Yes, Christians and Muslims are both primitive and are holding human civilization back.
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
Francis Collins has helped humanity more than you ever will.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder he was not the only person who contributed to the genome project, without secular scientists he would not have succeeded.
on top of that, hes blatantly not rational. he seems to even realize it and not even care
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
Awwwwwwwwww you haven't contributed jack to society next to him have you?
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder he just lead a project, he didnt do the project.
He was also atheist, and not necessarily a normal christian either.
He actually believes in many things that contradict what he knows to be true, that is the definition of a smart idiot.
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
Let's say you're right for a second and he didn't do any of the actual research he just lead the project.
By your logic Eisenhower wasn't a great General because he wasn't on the front lines for WWII.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder didnt say he wasnt a good leader, just said he wasnt the guy who actually did the real work.
its like rewarding a CEO for the quality of work the workers do.
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
He didn't get his job as the result of a lottery and he didn't spend his time playing golf while they did all the work.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder didnt say he did. Many CEOs arent like that. Im just saying, CEOs dont do all the work, just like he didnt. He did more to lead the project than to actually get the real work done, though he did do some of it. hes not dumb, hes just crazy for believing in contradicting things
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
Who said he did all the work? I've never heard anyone say he did all the work, why is this even being brought up?
The fact remains that even if all he did was lead the project he's done a lot for humanity.
That you can't see this sounds like the people who didn't want to respect the work of George Washington Carver because they couldn't bring themselves to deal with the fact that a Black man was smarter than them.
PS No Collins is not crazy.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder of course hes done a lot for humanity. plenty of religious people have.
the point is that the religion is more of a ball and chain because it requires you to defy logic.
thus, religion is objectively holding humanity back. we would have a lot more scientists and engineers if people took reality more seriously instead of their stupid bible
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
"of course hes done a lot for humanity. plenty of religious people have." In that case they're not human civilization back are they.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder Yes they are, if you werent so concerned with cherry picking my comment you would see how christians are blatantly holding back society, despite the fact that few have done good.
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
There you go again claiming that "christians are blatantly holding back society" while you know that your comment includes Collins.
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@ivlfounder christians are holding back society, despite collins and the other few christians who help society.
You can literally have 1 million christians who are scientific geniuses contributing to humanity, and given the numbers of christians out there who are actually scientifically illiterate, my statement holds up perfectly.
You are dumb, and you pose no challenge. Go away.
endauthority 1 year ago
@endauthority
You're still doing it.
Can you really not bring yourself to say that you were wrong and that some Christians can, have, and are helping society?
Is it that hard for you?
ivlfounder 1 year ago
@endauthority i am agnostic, most scientists were european christians: from newton to einstein.
Now, atheism will die (as ideology) - lets be honest, after 40 years you will be old, and the only babies around you will be: muslims (in Europe). Most atheists have zero to 1 kid, most muslims have 6-10... are you that ignorant to believe that your ideology (atheism) have a chance?
DanishGreatDane 1 year ago
@DanishGreatDane Just because a child is born to Muslim parents does not mean that that child will inevitably grow up to be Muslim themselves in their beliefs. It makes it more likely, but not a fact. You believe atheism will not last basically because it is an idea instead of something that is inherited.
And in terms of statistical data, there have been a range of studies about scientists and religious beliefs and most suggest that around 60% of scientists are atheistic or agnostic
GetOverIt2 1 year ago
@GetOverIt2 Muslims actually will kill the Apostates. In muslim nations = muslims are from 82 to 99% part from the population. In the Muslim areas (ghettos, slums, retarded schools): muslim Youth is much more anti-secular than their parents. I am agnostic... do i really care for religion? No. Do i care for preservation of western values, yes. Most "atheists" actually support Sharia, in UK there are even gay/lesbian support groups of Hamas. Hamas kill gays, and yet the brits are that retarded :)
DanishGreatDane 1 year ago 3
@DanishGreatDane Canada projects that by 2031, Canada will have anywhere from 2.5 to 3.3 million Muslims, up from 884,000 in 2006. Within Toronto alone, the projected Muslim population ranges from 1.1 to 1.5 million in 2031, up from 393,000 in 2006
bosasosolja 1 year ago
a scary thought.... The US becoming MORE religious.
verstwo2 1 year ago
I don't understand what the problem is. If secularists don't want to be outbred they ought to stop killing the children they're naturally having through abortion. I'm a pro-life secularist. My pro-life stance has nothing to do with theology, but rather with the obvious fact that groups that don't, or severely limit their procreation go extinct. As it stands now, secular societies are unable to sustain their current populations regardless of whether or not the Duggers have 18, 19, or 20 kids.
tabber87 1 year ago
@tabber87 Perhaps your average secular doesn't see it that way, because a sane person would never see children as pawns in a demographic arms race.
PanWolven 1 year ago
@tabber87 - So you prefer a populated society over a prosperous society? Legalized abortions do not limit procreation, they may lower it, but limitation is the wrong term. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. Access to safe legalized abortions and contraception have also been shown to have a correlation to decreases in poverty and crime. In an increasingly overpopulated world should we really be advocating more population? Don't get me wrong...I have 3 kids, could have had more.
verstwo2 1 year ago
Atleast they're having children unlike the rest of the west which is dieing.It could be worse,it could be Muslims outbreeding the rest of society which is happening in Europe.If those who are secular can't be bothered having children and abort millions every year don't come crying when the lunatics take over the planet.
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
@DeathDestroyer101 "dieing"
Dieing means changing a fabrics colour...
ChaChinnngK 1 year ago
It's well established that immigrants help keep the popultaion balanced. This is why I am in support of immigration reform that will legalise the undocumented that are already in this country. It benefits the citizen and the illegal who is just looking for work.
knowthetruth1492 1 year ago
One reason I am not worried about the greater number of children that fundamentalists have is that a handful of talented and educated people can exercise more control over politics and culture than a large number of uneducated simpletons. So while fundamentalists may reproduce more, they do so at the expensive of quality education for their kids, while the secular liberals, though producing fewer kids, equip them with better tools to navigate their way through this world.
alphacause 1 year ago 2
@alphacause Exactly! Well said!
gary031183 1 year ago
Apparently as well as a personal relationship with imaginary gods they have also unlocked the secret of total obedience from children. Delusion x 2.
angryislander56 1 year ago
Yes, we must sew their women up, No! Modernity calls that their children's milk be posionned. What is this guy on? GEEZUS! IS he suggesting that the breeding of a minority is a threat?
bavwill 1 year ago
Am I missing something? Is religiosity hereditary now?
stretchyrubberbands 1 year ago
this is such an ignorant video. yes, people have children specifically for the purpose of outbreeding those with differing opinions. if anyone is fundamentally obsessed with this topic.........it's fora tv.
danndan6 1 year ago
Most of their children will become secularists. Now children have access to information and aren't dependent on the church for all of their education. How many atheists out there were once Christians? I was raised by extremely fundamentalist parents.
shangobah 1 year ago
Like I said, People who are smart and rational, find love and lets out fuck the religious fundy bastards.
mrx0066600 1 year ago
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Buddy, your arguments simply just don't add up, atheism grows overwhelmingly faster than any religion around
(and we're all glad for that)
Leobons 1 year ago
Buddy, your arguments simply just don't add up, atheism grows overwhelmingly faster than any religion around
(and we're all glad for that)
Leobons 1 year ago
When this topic is brought up, I notice that one factor usually gets left out.
Many fundamentalists are converted rather than born into fundamentalism. But many people born into fundamentalism end up leaving (either attending a more mainstream church or become non-religious).
Even though the non-religious may not have as many children as the far right fundies, the non-religious are still one of the fastest growing demographics in the US.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP you have to take into consideration, that a lot of atheists in america lived hidden from public, pretending to be christian, to make their life easier in their community. The rising amount of atheists in public, made it easier for them to out themselves.
In statistics, they rise rapidly. But in reality most of them just didn't express their non-faith.
What he is stating in the vid is that fundamentalists tend to have more children, missparenting them to be like them.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds I was basing my opinion on other data I'd heard about which he didn't mention in this clip. As I recall, it was about evangelicals and so I'm not sure it applies to all fundamentalists. The data was that most people born into evangelicalism leave and most people who evangelicals through conversion. Of course, many people leaving evangelicalism don't leave Christianity entirely. What you said about atheists isn't directly related to what I was talking about.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
the fundamentalist version of religion is becoming incompatible with the modern society, having more child birth in fundamentalist families isn't going to change that. all that will end up happening is that there will be more people who are "raised christian".
merdufer 1 year ago
i always think about how jesus freaks are breeding NONSTOP and it makes me feel nausea
Tekavolver712 1 year ago
I've known a couple of people who came from very conservative religious backgrounds who became atheist/agnostic or at least a secular-type christianity (don't go to church at all). Children aren't total puppets. They often reject their parents ways especially if they are brutal.
portantwas 1 year ago
the problem is not islamic fundamentalism but the fundamentals of islam.
if religious fundemantalism was the problem then fundamentalist jainists wouldnt be the most pacified people on earth.
volound 1 year ago
@volound please cite the source for your argument if you're not going to change a word of the argument. or do some research on your own and develop the argument.
merdufer 1 year ago
@merdufer i have. unlike 90% of the atheists ive met here on youtube, ive actually read the qur'an. i have muslim friends, and ive been to iran.
i live in britain, where muslims are 10% of the population in my city. and in britain we dont have fox news.
but dont mind me, im sure you are right when you say all religions are exactly the same.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.well,if you have ACTUALLY read the Quran,then pls tell me if it really teaches hate or not.becuz most people on youtube say that they have but when u start questioning them,it turns out to be false.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar yes it does. thats why fundamentalists are violent, while the people who dont take it seriously are not.
muslim apologetics for the violence in the qur'an are either ignorant, or deliberately set out to deceive people.
i recommend the debate on "is islam a religion of peace", the debate with zeba khan, ayaan hirsi ali, douglas murray and maajid nawaz.
the debate pretty much covers it all.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.ok,here we go,one more fake!
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar what does that even mean? please elaborate.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.it means that u r a fake and u have not read the Quran.now pls,dont start giving me verses of the Quran,which probably r going to be out of context,and leave me alone.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar lol. ive read it twice. and i can honestly say it was profoundly mediocre, and repetitive.
having read it, it didnt change my opinion of islam, just verified what i already knew.
saying "u have not read the Quran" wont help you.
and like i said, your context argument falls on its face. if you watched the debate instead of just dismissing it out of hand, which is what you accused ME of doing, you would know that.
you are being willfully ignorant and intellectualy dishonest.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.i dont blame you.u r just a victim of mass propaganda.and believe me,everyone on youtube has read the Quran.lol.
/watch?v=848xVuY84SE
/watch?v=JGghwUlt8Cc&feature=channel
i dont know why these non-Muslims r defending Islam?r they getting paid?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar you really dont get it.
i base my views on islam on the qur'an, on hadiths, on the tafsirs and on conversations with muslims. i read about islamic jurisprudence. i have NOT been exposed to propaganda. i am skeptical.
you are not though.
but to answer your question... ignorance, politically correct propaganda,
volound 1 year ago
@volound.so tell me,did u find anything good in the Quran?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar nothing unique.
its 1400 years old. it contains nothing unknown at the time and is exactly what i would expect if i were to pick up a book written by a schizophrenic warmongering paedophile.
there are no scientific "miracles" in the qur'an because the qur'an was written by mortal men.
but if you think otherwise, feel free to direct me to one. i couldnt find any.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.i asked u if u found any good lesson for life in the Qura.by what u said u r unfortunately again sounding like a fake.now u really have lost my trust,not that u needed it,but i just said it.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar if i ask you if theres anything good in mein kampf, and you say no, that doesnt mean you didnt read it, that just means you thought it was a shitty book. the same goes with me and the qur'an.
stop being so illogical. why is it impossible for someone to have read the qur'an and not liked it?
like i said. the book is archaic, abhorrent and immoral. muhammad was not a good man.
the qur'an is just like any other book. nothing in it implies divine origin. NOTHING.
volound 1 year ago
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@volound.why arent you answering my question?did you find anything good in the Quran,like care for people,do charity,dont do bad deeds and stuff like that?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar thats all common sense. if i thought i needed a book to tell me that i would probably kill myself.
its disgusting and sad that you think you dont hurt people because of a book. you dont hurt people because you are a good person and not sadistic, thats all there is to it.
if the qur'an explained 1400 years ago special relativity, or how the universe formed, how the earth formed, how humans evolved, how procreation works, that would be good.
but it doesnt. it simply doesnt...
volound 1 year ago
@volound.ok dude,u r making a fool out of yourself.i asked you this question becuase i wanted to see if you had really read the Quran or not.i will give u a last chance.does the Quran teach anything good at all or not?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar i just explained this. what the fuck is wrong with you?
i could get my 9 year old brother to tell me something good about the qur'an. all he has to do is GOOGLE it. all i have to do is GOOGLE it. saying something good about the qur'an proves absolutely nothing, especially that someone has read the whole thing.
i want to stress this to you.... I JUST EXPLAINED THIS.
im curious, do you accept evolution like the entire scientific community, or do you reject it like a true muslim?
volound 1 year ago
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@volound.due,i am done with you.you just proved it,you havent read the Quran.
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volound 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar retarded questions necessitate retarded responses. your question was retarded, as i demonstrated, and im not capable of retarded responses. sorry.
but if you honestly believe that my unwillingness to say anything that is good about the qur'an comes from having not read it (despite being able to google something good within seconds), then you can believe that. your delusions are your problem, just dont expect me to be as gullible as you.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.this proves that you believe that the Quran has good messages.
your also proved your self-defence mechanism by calling my simple questions retarded.
I will give u an advice.READ THE QURAN.so that when the truth comes out you dont turn out to be a fool!
there is a reason i keep saying that you havent read the Quran.this is because i am a Muslim and i have read the Quran and i know there is no hate in it.even from a non-Muslim perspective there is no hate.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar i believe mein kampf, the old testament, the anarchist cookbook has good messages. that has nothing to do with whether or not it is true.
because your question IS RETARDED. YOU THINK SOMEONE CAN PROVE THEY HAVE READ A BOOK BY GOOGLING ITS GOOD VERSES. please tell me.... HOW IS THAT NOT RETARDED????
i have read the qur'an....
you believe i deserve to go to hell because i dont agree with you. you believe this because your holy book tells you. how the FUCK is that not hateful?
volound 1 year ago
@volound.most religions believes that if any person doesnt believe in their religion he will go to hell(including Christianity and Judaism).and you going to hell for not believeing in Islam is not my business.this is between you and God.i dont hate you.the Quran doesnt teach any hate,the people who told you this pick verses out of context and try to fool you.the sad thing is intelligent and educated people like u r falling in this trap.trust me,the Quran doesnt teach hate.watch the videos i gave
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar i watched them.
i know the choice is not yours. and i know you dont hate me. but do you think i deserve to go to hell i.e. be tortured forever or not?
and i think all religions are bad and most are hateful. but saying other religions are like that is feckless. i dont care. if i was religious then that would be an argument to square at me, but im not.
if the qur'an doesnt teach hate then why did muhammad kill people? why did he order executions and stonings? what the fuck.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.i dont think you should be tortured forever.i dont care because its nothing of my concern.this is your personal matter with God.If you read the Quran then you will know that a God exists and that god wants you to surrender yourself to Him.you owe your existence to Him.you know that there exists such a Book.Mans nature was designed by God to be a curious one.It means that you should be curious to what is in that Book.and when you read it you will find God and you'll be granted heaven.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar i dont think you understand.
I AM AN ATHEIST. i dont believe god exists. i dont have evidence, and probably never will.
the qur'an says that i deserve to be tortured forever for that. you believe that the qur'an was ordained to muhammad by god, and therefore is perfect. if it says that i deserve to be tortured forever and you think the qur'an is perfect, then HOW can you not think i deserve to be tortured forever? isnt that arrogant? its what god says i deserve.
volound 1 year ago
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@volound.the Quran says that you will be punished if you dont believe in God.
do you really think that you owe God nothing for your existence.what does he ask you for.Just to believe in Him.Just to help the poor and love humanity.Just to take sometime of the day and remember Him.Just to be a nice person.
I think believing that their is no God takes more faith than it takes to believe in Him.that we were created by an accident.Islam is pro-science and the Quran has enough evidence to prove it.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
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@volound " its what god says i deserve."
So you do believe in god ? Or the god as it states in the qur'an ?
ChaChinnngK 1 year ago
@ChaChinnngK fuck no. how can i be an atheist and still believe in god? thats a complete oxymoron.
volound 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar That a book exists is only proof of a book, not of a god or the divinity or even truth of anything in that book. By your logic Harry Potter is proof that magic is real, The Hobbit is proof of orcs, trolls and dragons and Wind in the Willows is proof of talking animals. Even after reading these books I know that those creatures are not real, just as reading the bible or the quran didn't make god pop into existance. The claim can't make itself true. It just doesn't work that way.
PanWolven 1 year ago
@PanWolven.i didnt mean to say that the book says that God exists but the proof that God gives in the Quran of his existence.i was refering to the scientific facts in the Quran that no one would have known in the era it was revealed.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar That scientific quran nonsense has been so thuroughly debunked that I don't see how anyone could still be using it. First off, those so called scientific facts are always just modern science pasted onto cherry picked interpretations that hold no literal scientific meaning at all. Second, even if the quran was full of scientific facts, which it most certainly is not, it still would not prove god, only that medieval arabs were really good scientists.
PanWolven 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar i asked you to name some of these scientific facts and you couldnt.
i GUARANTEE that you cannot name a single scientific "miracle" that couldnt have been known at the time.
if you name the miracle, i will link you to the video that proves it is not a miracle.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.sure,i would do that.but you also have to take into consideration that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was an illiterate man.i know you will say that all of these miracles existed in the time of the Prophet(even though they didnt),but u cant do anything about this
/watch?v=kaLufa9CvqY
watch at 6:10
i dont think Muhammad(PBUH) had a microscope
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar are you serious? why would he need a microscope when he has the word of an angel sent by an omniscient being.
if you are honestly putting forward the argument that "muhammad didnt know" then you clearly havent thought about this enough.
this video explicitly refutes your attempted miracle regarding embryology, if you think the video is wrong, explain, otherwise, accept it is not a miracle. /watch?v=0XLg-SRGMNk
any more?
volound 1 year ago
@volound.Did u even watch what i told you to.watch at 6:10.thats it!the 1 i am talking about is not discussed in your video and will never be,because whenever i talk about this one with anyone like you,they run away.you see thats the reason this guy didnt discuss this in his video.
and the other things that he "debunked" can not be done in front of a Muslim scientist.
1 more thing to remember,MUHAMMAD WAS ILLITERATE!!!HOW DID HE KNOW ALL OF THIS???????
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar yes i did. thats how i knew what video refuted it. im getting sick of you. you are so fucking illogical.
muslim scientist is an oxymoron. more scientific papers have been produced by spain than the entire arab world combined. your universities teach theology, ours teach biology. why do you think muslims believe adam and eve isnt complete bullshit?
muhammad was illiterate? prove it. you cant.
im sick of this. you are too deluded for dialogue to be of any use. typical muslim.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.who is being logical here?at 6:10 of the video i gave it says that the Quran says that in the initial weeks of conception the fetus looks like a leech,which was not discussed in the video u gave me.Muslim scientists is an oxymoron?out of 6 million doctors in the USA 4 million r Muslims.so that argument is debunked.when the Muslims were the world power U people used to learn science from us IN ARABIC!CONT>>>>>>>
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar GALEN said the fetus looked like a leech. BEFORE THE QUR'AN DID. and btw, it doesnt look like a leech. google leach then google fetus.
doctor? lmao. zakir naik is a doctor. zakir naik is a complete retard who rejects evolution. and you probably do to. despite evolution being a FACT. where is evolution in the qur'an? did god forget to tell muhammad where his species came from?
volound 1 year ago
@volound.there are thousands of non-Muslim scientists around the world who reject evolution.so if Zakir Naik does too,its no big deal.BTW ,you r the 1 who said there is no proof that Muhammad was illiterate.Every historian,including non-Muslim, in the world believes Muhammad was illiterate.why dont you READ carefully what burden of proof means.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar oh really? so why are there hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed scientific journals that SUPPORT evolution, while there are NONE that refute it?
cite ONE scientific journal that has been peer reviewed, and refutes evolution.
you cant. your country has lied to you.
name a post-darwin muslim biologist/phylogenist that explicitly reconciles their religion with the science of biology.
you cant. do yourself a favour and actually learn. even the pope realizes evolution is true.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.because this is mass propaganda,and u r a victim of it.My country lied to me.did you say MY COUNTRY?
you want to see a post Darwin CHRISTIAN scientist who says science is not ultimate answer?
/watch?v=BG0F6wwwDXM&feature=related
watch from 3:39-5:20 atleast,or if you consider yourself a researcher ,atleast watch the first 3 parts of this series.Researchers read every book every document they think can be useful and then come to a conclusion.if u think u r,then u must do so too.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar people like you are an utter disgrace to humanity.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.yeah ,u just didnt have anything else to say ,did u?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar no. what you said was one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard.
i didnt know it was possible for someone to be so narrow minded and willfully ignorant.
volound 1 year ago
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@volound.like i said,u have nothing else to say.so now u r attacking my character and my intelligence.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@volound CONT>>>> y dont u prove to me that Muhammad WASNT illiterate.this is a historical fact!I am sick of you.keep DENYING REALITY!
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar the burden of proof is not on me. i dont need to. you are the one saying god communicated information to an illiterate man. not me.
google burden of proof.
volound 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar
"historic fact"
Are you sure? Can you refer to relevant scientific peer reviewed literature supporting your claim?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
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@Wrath0fKhan.has anyone ever proved history with science?i have never heard it.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
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@volound.>>>>>Cont>>
this is the most common verse used by the people who teach you that Islam is a religion of hatred.pls watch it .its only 1:14.i think you can do that
/watch?v=u1DMxDYBGTI&feature=sub
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar i watched it. but please, qwertyfshag? the guy is a joke. he has been completely rebutted countless times.
/watch?v=wt6ABFJahyA&feature=related
volound 1 year ago
@volound.that was not the point.the point is that you have been lied to.do u now agree that the Quran doesnt teach hatred?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar lied to by whom? what the fuck are you talking about?
im getting sick of this nonsense.
volound 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar
Those verses are not picked out of context at all. Those verses have their own context and general and or particular rules are derived from those even according to traditional Islamic theology and fiqh (jurisprudence).
Quran does teach hate against non-believers in Islam (theistic, polytheistic or atheistic) in general. This was confirmed by experts e.g. here:
part 1: watch?v=xO1B6dDKLUM
part 2: watch?v=7FZRVugMo6M
part 3: watch?v=nXNWovC8qLc
part 4: watch?v=t-IvgP2UkbA
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 2
@Wrath0fKhan exactly. i was going to engage him on this issue, but it seemed tertiary.
i would have said something like "unless it was opposite day, i cannot conceive of any possible context within the spectrum of available historical contexts in which "slay them wherever you find them" could possibly be alleviated sufficiently, unless of course it was said on opposite day".
but he had trouble accepting that ive read the qur'an and dont buy it. so i didnt even bother.
volound 1 year ago
@volound.if you had read the Quran,you would have known when and why this verse was revealed.but you havent so...
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar how would i? the verses arent even in the right order.
what do you know anyway? you dont even understand evolution or abiogenesis.
volound 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan.the pls show us those verses,including five verses before one particular verse and five verses after that particular verse.if you will read those verses you will find out that you have been lied to.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar
I refer to experts. I can refer directly to Islamic literature, too.
Umdat al-Salik wa Uddat al-NasikA
Book O, Justice
"o1.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
(1) ..
(2) a Mu for killing a non-Mu
(3) a J or C subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a subject .. is under its protection, while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences)
(4) a father or mother .. for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring"
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 9
@umerjavednisar
For example check out the Quranic Surah Al-Imran, Verse 85. Its practically something like an epitome of ultimate social racism. What do the 5 previous and 5 next verses say?
The 5 previous verses discuss the covenant of the prophets, the rebellious, submission (to Allah) and affirmation of submission (to Allah). The 5 next verses discuss the "zalimun", curse of Allah, brutal eternal punishment, possibility of repentance, impossibility of repentance.
Who has been lied to?
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 12
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@Wrath0fKhan.Surah Imran,verse 85 says,"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."
pls point out the racism in this verse so we can see who is lying here.you r one of the experts arent you?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan your a bigot who is also a racist and a islamophobe!
dont worry THE EUROPEAN UNION NATIONS ARE DESPERATE and need IMMIGRANTS since all western nations are in a declining population .
the govt of canada will have 2 800 000 MILLION MUSLIMS in canada in the year 2031!
you better be scared of MUZZZLIMS because YOUR SECULAR GOVTS BRING US TO THE WHITE NATIONS!
at the end of the day , MORE MUSLIMS WILL CONTINUE IMMIGRATING TO EUROPE , AND ALL WESTERN NATIONS, including russia!
silly fool
bosasosolja 1 year ago
@bosasosolja
"your a bigot who is also a racist and a islamophobe"
Who is against free inquiry, freedom of belief, criticism, homosexuals, free love, alcohol, gambling, non-halal food, etc.? Not me. Its Islam. So its "you" who certainly the bigger bigot and racist is, not me. BY DEFINITION.
And why a "phobe"? A phobia is defined as irrational fear. Being afraid of Mahoundianism is certainly not irrational at all.
"desperate nations need immigrants"
Thats a plain myth.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 5
@bosasosolja
"continue immigrating"
Sooner or later Muslims will be either forced to adapt, will be either put in reeducation camps, or will be removed altogether from Europe. Its a natural consequence of the current trends.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 4
@Wrath0fKhan .... ..... ... ya i believe you . whats next kick black people and brown people and red people and yellow people and white muslims out of europe!??
your funny the zionists rule the western governments, your too late!
you know it !
god bless islamic immigration
you can HATE ALL YOU WISH
YOU CAN HATE BLACK PEOPLE ALL YOU WISH
YOU CAN HATE COLOURED PEOPLE ALL YOU WISH
bigot
go to your govt and cry out get the muslims out of the white homelands !!!
you govt will arrest u
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Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago 6
i dont see millions of muslims arrest 2day. i wont see that happen at all.
YOU KNOW ITS A FUCKIN FACT THAT Europe is exploding with muslim immigrants , literally.
you can deny all yo wish.
bosasosolja 1 year ago
@bosasosolja Eastern and Central Europe kill muslim immigrants... i don't blame them, simply because they just defend their culture against occupants
Only Capitalist westerners defend jizzlamics
DanishGreatDane 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan who cares#1
timetochilli 9 months ago
@timetochilli
"who cares"
I do.
Wrath0fKhan 9 months ago
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@Wrath0fKhan.>>>>>Cont>>>
this is the most common verse used by the people who teach you that Islam is a religion of hatred.pls watch it .its only 1:14.i think you can do that
/watch?v=u1DMxDYBGTI&feature=sub
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar
"most common verse"
Ive provided evidence youve asked me to provide. Ive as well exposed the guy in that vid on the very same video page. Case closed...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan. i dont see what evidence you have provided.i asked you what was racist in that verse and u didnt answer me.u can believe what you want to believe,but the Quranic scientific facts have never been debunked in front of a Muslim scientist.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan.which verses?if you are talking about Surah Imran,verse 85 says,"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."what is wrong in that?Quranic scientific facts have been the topic on many science debates.many scientists accepted Islam after reading the Quran.Scientists who have ever debated with a Muslim scientist on Quranic facts have always lost the debate.you can find them on youtube too.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
@Wrath0fKhan.dr.William campbell vs. dr.zakir naik.william campbell was the guy who wrote a book that "debunked" Quranic miracles.and see what happened to him.search his name on youtube.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar
"campbell/naik"
Ive seen that stuff like 4 years ago. Its irrelevant. Neither of them is an accomplished scientist. Neither of them is a historian. Neither of them published their thesis in relevant scientific peer reviewed literature (although debunking miracles is something commonly demonstrated by the broader skeptic society). Naiks academic degree is not a doctor. His degree is of a "practitioners" character (e.g. MBSS). In any case, Naiks thesis was shown to be invalid.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
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@Wrath0fKhan.Naik is not an accomplished scientists because he has devoted his life to Dawah.as far as i know no one has challenged him to a debate.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar dawkins once said that debating creationists is pointless. it gives them credibility they wouldnt otherwise have.
i dont know where you live, but in britain, we laugh at people like zakir naik. we LAUGH at harun yahya. and we LAUGH EVEN HARDER at the people that think he isnt bullshitting.
that reminds me. search up harun yahya richard dawkins. tell me that harun yahya doesnt get his ass handed to him.
volound 1 year ago
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umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@volound .oh so u laugh at us huh,we PITY YOU!
you believe that we evolved ourselves,no one created us.
you believe that we were made by chance.and what is that chance?1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000........
so who is the denyer
and yes,i dont understand evolution because it is BS!
i searched the video you asked me to,and i dont see Harun Yahya himself in the video.what is the PROOF that he got his ass handed to him?
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar what the hell? have you not heard of the anthropic principle? do you not understand cosmology or biology? seriously.
do you want to know what the most compelling argument for islam being false is? because ill be completely honest and tell you.
i know islam is false because all the people that believe it are IGNORANT. stupid just like you. not a single muslim ive met on youtube understands evolution. and no biologists ive met are muslim.
no fucking wonder you are a muslim.
volound 1 year ago
@volound CONTD
what im trying to tell you is that you are a muslim because you have no choice. you are too stupid and ignorant, maybe you can help it, but you clearly dont want to.
you are a muslim because you CANNOT CONCEIVE of any alternatives.
i want you to know that throughout this whole argument, ive tried to be polite. i really, really tried. but if someone doesnt tell you that you are illogical and stupid, then you wont know.
do yourself a BIG favour, and read some books (not qur'an).
volound 1 year ago
@volound.Since you have no choice but to deny any kind of religion,i dont blame you.u think that it is COOL to be an athiest.i am the ignorant one,huh?You r the 1 who thinks we just got made by ourselves.
just like the science said a few centuries ago that the earth is flat and we are in the center of the universe and that the sun rvolves around us,you r saying that evolution is true.people like you used to laugh at any alternative theories.just like the Nazis SCIENTIFICALLY found that they CONT
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar being "cool" has nothing to do with it. im an atheist because i care about whether or not my beliefs are true. you dont.
to have faith, is to stifle your doubts through self-enforced prevention of the consideration of the effects of contradictory ideas on your beliefs. and thats exactly what you have been doing your whole life.
volound 1 year ago
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@volound.i have a simple idea.the idea says that v have been created.v have a purpose that is y everyhing is perfect on earth for us to survive.on d other hand their r misguided people like u,who think we just evolved by ourselves.and i hv never even HEARD that their have been debates if biology should be taught in our unis or not.u said that the Quran teaches hate.just show me 1 verse in the Quran that teaches hate.there are hundreds of books written against evolution and thousands of articles.
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@volound.were a superior race,you think you r more intelligent than others.Science,my dear,in every era has thought that it has reached its peak.but in reality it is NAIVE.you can follow your ego or you can read history.God says that He has shown you enough signs to believe in Him.But it is up to you to either follow Him or your EGO!!
do YOURSELF a big favour and ACTUALLY read the Quran and also some,non-religious but scientific,books which deny and debunk the theory of evolution..
umerjavednisar 1 year ago
@umerjavednisar you are completely wrong. why is it that its always religion that has to catch up with scientific discoveries, and not the other way around?
what was the outcome of the kitzmiller vs dover case, again?
why are there massive debates your universities as to whether or not BIOLOGY SHOULD BE TAUGHT?
i read the qur'an, and ive said this about 10 times you dumb fucking imbecile.
there are ZERO peer reviewed papers that debunk evolution. and OVER 400,000 THAT SUPPORT IT.
volound 1 year ago
@volound i'm only saying that, if you're going to use sam harris's argument word for word, at least say something like "as sam harris pointed out". i'm not saying all religions are exactly the same. i'm just saying parroting other people's arguments is bad.
merdufer 1 year ago
@merdufer what are you talking about? what argument?
volound 1 year ago
Religious fundamentalist are often lower income people. Look at israel: fundamentalist(orthodox) jews are predominately lower income people. They live off of welfare. It's a huge financial burden. And many of the orthodox cause a lot of trouble in the country. "Talmudistan" is what secular Jews refer to when discussing the problems their fundamentalists cause. So not only are religious fundamentalist a pain in the a__ socially, they are often a financial burden to the state.
joel1923 1 year ago
if the amount of population ever meant anything we would`nt have been ruled by the upper class ever since the start of history.
b88104044 1 year ago
What's the problem? Darwin's principles apply: the strong thrive and the weak die. There may well be a greater plan in this than any atheist would care to admit. : )
The only puzzle is what he means by 'fundamentalist.' The word 'atheist' now carries nuances and properties non-believers seem to fundamentally believe are right there in the dictionary definition, such as a monopoly on intelligence, reason and truth.
This is not so. An atheist is 'without God.' Period.
Asiablue 1 year ago
@Asiablue wrong.
the weak no longer die because theyre weak. if you noticed, we no longer need to avoid being hunted, and no longer need to hunt for our next meal...
volound 1 year ago