@kentamitchell@yoxredwolf Don't be fooled. On the same day, USSR declared war against Japan. Japan was waiting for USSR to reply to Japan's request for USSR's peace mediation. Stalin and Truman agreed to keep Japan in war by not giving Japan any clear answer.
@TheIbzzicShow It has been standing against the entire muslim world for the past 64 years- it's a good bet they'll be around for the next century and more.
Iran is going to have nukes. Israel, already has nukes, might attack Iran. North Korea already has a nuke. China is increasing her militray rapidly. A Russian military person said Russia has ability to delete Japan from the world map in 20 minutes. Where is this world going?
i m iranian and anyway i dont like atom bomb for any where in world ,, not iran not others , but how about u ? do u like bomb ? but whay u motherfucker hope to atack iran ? mother fuckers who used first atom bomb in hiroshima ? u motherfuckers can atack our horny dick whit your ass we will fuck u . , nonsense humanbeing . most of u just talk about humanity but u are just animal som animal who abuse big word big taitle but in reality fuck world and people animals
@daryoubigboy There is literally no way Iran would fuck up anybody. And who are you referring to when you say "Do u like bomb? but whay u motherfucker hope to atack iran?".
Do you mean America? Because there are 300 million people with different opinions in that country, whom of 99.99% you will never hear from/about. Many of them are Muslims and are literally facepalming when they see idiot comments like yours.
YOU know nothing of humanity! Probably burning wrong flag because you can't read.
@daryoubigboy I'm an American and I don't like the bomb. I'm probably more like you are than you realize. There is one big difference between us, though. I am fully aware that the politicians in this world stay in power by keeping the governed in a state of fear by manufacturing one crisis after another.
Did this make your local paper? Last month, the US navy rescued 13 Iranian fishermen held hostage by Somali pirates. I wonder how much local coverage that got.
Hello. your "u" means myself? I am NOT blaming Iran. Rather, my point is the fear regarding the world in the future. However, I feel sorry that the government of Iran is taking wrong strategy.
I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
My friends there were approached by Japanese who they didn't know (a breach of etiquette) and told how awful it was. It is true that the sympathy ended quickly when Pres. Bush started preaching revenge.
@ImperialistRunningDo Well many of the older people for example my granmother and her friends where saying its pay back for Hiroshima. Maybe it was who knows.
@metroidshroom My uncle was at Ford Island on Dec. 7, 1941. When he heard of the Tōhoku earthquake, he said it was divine judgement. I said that was true only if EVERY other earthquake, hurricane or outbreak of halitosis is also divine retribution.
BTW, we who live on the Oregon coast are expecting to have debris from the Tōhoku earthquake wash up on our shore. We have been instructed to turn over anything we find of a personal nature -- keepsakes, knick knacks, etc. to be returned to Japan.
Barbaric genocide. I would have prefered 20 nukes used on 20 millitary bases than that. But ONE bomb on a CIVILIAN city that didnt ask for anything nor did anything is unforgiveable. And they dropped two,not one. I stand by that. If you're going to bomb a country, bomb the soldiers and millitary infrastructure. Even tho its not the best millitary strategy, a country that bombs civilians should be considered BARBARIC and should face a global trial and pay heavily for such an atrocious crime.
@JOLEMONGOL fyi Hiroshima was the hq of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & approx 20,000 died in the bombing.
@JOLEMONGOL you haven't got any idea what you are talking about. We were at war with a country, not soldiers. At Pearl Harbor, not only soldiers were targeted. The women and children of Japan were learning how to fight an invasion they thought would happen. We warned them that if they did not surrender, we would drop it, both times. If we had invaded, we would have had to kill all of the same people, and many more.
@onigoroshi442 why don't you do your research somewhere other than youtube, then come to me with an admittance that you just displayed such a feat of ignorance that it borders on trolling.
@manxhedghog Just in case you didn't realized, I like trolling ignorant dumb fuck like you. There is just no other comfortable way to face people like you. Sorry.
@manxhedgho Yeh the bomb saved more people. Not only would there of been an invasion had the bomb of failed (an est 2 million dead Japs and 1 million allied soldiers)...the Jap civilians would of continued to starve due to the blockade and them sending the food to the front line to keep up the war effort. If people are going to lay blame then they need to blame humanity itself for being warlike. It just so happened that the West got the bomb first but the Japs had an A bomb program
As an interesting fact, this entire project was kept so secret that (at the time) Vice President Truman didn't even know about it. He found out after he was sworn in when a man whispered it into his ear.
But what we have to understand by watching this video is something else..If you could feel the pain and despare people felt there then you would not participate in any war..ever! By watching this you sould understand the importance of not being in a war..of living in peace.Stop "daily" wars and think like you are in the other's place...If you do this you wouldn't participate in any cruelty.We can change the way the world goes just THINK about it!
It is well known that the whites are the worst kind of people (I'm a white man myself).Of course I'm not talking about everyone but I won't make a clarification if you misjudge this it will mean that I hurted your pride so I dont fucking care.Anyway this is not the first time whites cause so much pain...But it is the first time they cause so much pain internationally! Fuck yeah we deserve congratulations!! (Y)
Let's make a movie for Truman. My plan is something like this.
He tells well-known his justification in front of the GOD and obtains the permission to go to Heaven. After he goes to the Heaven, he meets the children died due to the atomic bombing. Then, he confesses his truth, and apologize them. They would accept his truth. The moment he is saved. Then, he goes down the stairs to the Hell by his will.
@komentoshimasu You mustn't forget the Burlesque dancers that will provide mindless entertainment. A cameo appearance by Wallis Simpson declaring her love for Adolph Hitler would also increase ratings, with the deposed King, in the background screaming obscenities at Eva Braun for her inaction to defend her stomping ground.
@komentoshimasu "A-cam myth?" Please, for so long your command of the English language has been a shining example. I still think you are fluent, but overly modest. Your last message is a rebus. You have 500 characters, feel free to use them.
I am an old man, and my teen-aged niece and nephew drive me mad with rebus messages. They don't type "cat" it's "c@" instead. Back when text messages were charged by the character, that made sense. But now, with access to a full-sized keyboard, it just makes them look lazy. I'm sure I am in the minority here....
Probably, you do not like such kind of writings that are not written by "right" manner. I understand your thought and agree. However, a man sometimes want to do fool things, and what I wrote is somewhat classical one. you-->u, are-->r, etc. So, please just "mokusatsu" them when you find.
Harry Truman has to one day stand before GOD and explain his actions why he gave the permission for innocent children, woman, and elders to be killed. Over 300, 000 souls were condemned to die just to prove the UNITED STATES was a superpower.
@PhoenixxxStar "just to prove the US was a superpower?" I doubt rather seriously that this was Truman's motivation. A more likely train of thought: "We've been fighting these people for four years now, and the more we defeat them the more fanatical their resistance becomes. If we invade, millions of Allied troops AND Japanese civilians will die, If we blockade them, millions of Japanese will perish of starvation. Their leadership killed the Potsdam Declaration with silence. What
@PhoenixxxStar shall we do? As terrible as they are, perhaps using these new weapons will end this war with the fewest casualties possible to both sides. There's no good solution to this mess, but this seems like the least terrible one." Subsequent evidence seems to lead this direction, the US did much to help rebuild Japan's infrastructure and industrial base postwar, and did NOT use the nuclear monopoly which existed from 1945-49 to go empire-building.
@usafvet100 That doesn't really make any sense accept as a feeble attempt to justify your response. I hate German Natzis. So does that give me permission (on behalf of whatever political leadership) to open up a concentratrion camp for Neo-Natzis. If we can get rid of one hating German, perhaps that means one more JEW gets to live. If that's your argument, then lets get those transport trains a moving. One less hater to worry about......and a peace-of-mind that sanctions this conduct
@PhoenixxxStar No, that's not my argument at all, but no matter. Perhaps I can make it clearer: Imaagine that you're newly sworn-in President Harry Truman: When you took office, a desperate battle was being fought on Iwo Jima in which 19,800 of the 20,000 man enemy garrison chose death over surrender. Next, your troops moved on to Okinawa and another desperate battle took place, this time the skies are filled with kamikaze aircraft, and the ground forces fought with the same
@PhoenixxxStar suicidal intensity. Next stop: the Home Islands, where you know that not only troops but also Japanese women and children are being trained to repel the invaders with bamboo spears. "What a bloodbath THAT's going to be," you say. "Isn't there any alternative?" Well, not many. You can blockade the Home Islands and starve 'em out, Japan doesn't have much arable land. You can try negotiating some more, but your proposals are getting killed with silence, any
@PhoenixxxStar concessions you make are going to be interpreted as a sign of weakness, encouraging your enemy to continue stonewalling and draw this miserable business out indefinitely. Or you can use this new weapon the Los Alamos eggheads have just told you about and hope it will force a quick end to the war. Millions of lives are at stake with whatever decision you make. So, what would YOU have done?
Well, that is what happens when you side with fucking NAZIS! Even if the Germans would have won the war, they would have killed all of their allies off in the end, because they wanted their "Superior Race" to be the one and only after all.
@cannibal151 Well, I see you having no problem with the US siding with commies. Thanks to people like you, over 100 million people got killed by Stalin and Mao. Good job.
Well deserved ... many innocent died true ... but many of ''these innocents'' would go war if they could ! so i say Bravo to the US army and MacArthur for putting an end to that nazi crap which will become eventually the doomsday!!!! the US always in the best moment. and i say to hirohito and his insane people that you shouldnt play smarties while there is the USA ;) have a nice day !
@leehocking514 funny england was one of the major players in making this bomb ,they had a nuclear proyect that began in 1940 , in my opinion the allies should of sank that island to the bottom of the pacific
@ onigoroshi442 so you'r saying that it isn't ok for terrorist to attack America because that would mean that your idea of war is just one country attacking another without any counter attacks. I don't like the idea of an attack on my country but the terrorist technically do have the right.
@elite738 If you are talking about counter attack, I believe interrupting one's effort to acquire critical resources, aiding one's enemies militarily, and planning to execute a sneak attack hiding under one's enemies flag are enough reasons for one to attack.
@ onigoroshi442 i'm not saying I like it but yes it is ok. We are at a state of war with them do if you don't think they should be allowed to attack us if they can then you must not know how war really works
@ onigoroshi442 i'm not saying I like it but yes it is ok. We are at a state of war with them do if you don't think they should be allowed to attack us if they can then you must not know how war really works
@elite738 I'm not quite getting what you are trying to tell me, but if you tell me it's ok to drop nuclear weapons on a war which was provoked by the US herself, I sure have some things to say.
@elite738 So it's ok for terrorist to drop WMD on American cities? It sure wasn't a surprise attack. FDR said to Winston Churchill, "I may never declare war; I may make war." and so he did.
@pocallaghan9 "Hiroshima was a civilian target..." Perhaps you should look this up. The defense of the Home Islands was split into two -- the 1st Army (headquartered in Tokyo) guarded Hokkaido and Honshu. The 2nd guarded the southern islands. And where do you thing their HQ was? There was a Nakajima factory there, as well as the HQ of the dreaded secret police. The harbor was filled with boats, and an airfield filled with military aircraft, both intended for suicide missions.
@ImperialistRunningDo@pocallaghan9 I think it was Barton Bernstein who revealed that the main target of the bomb was civilians. That's why those bombs were dropped in the middle of large cities. May be it will be interesting if you look into it.
@onigoroshi442 "civilians in cities had already become targets. The grim Axis bombing record is well known. Masses of noncombatants were also intentionally killed in the later stages of the American air war against Germany; that tactic was developed further in 1945 with the firebombing of Japanese cities. Such mass bombing constituted a transformation of morality, repudiating President Franklin D. Roosevelt's prewar pleas that the warring nations avoid bombing cities to spare civilian lives."
@onigoroshi442 Irony doesn't do well on the internet. Yes, I figured that out on my own. But there are no shortage of historians who make a good living off of Monday-morning quarterbacking. It's an easy thing to do when you don't have a million lives depending on your next move.
@elite738 Don't you understand that you are practically saying it's ok to drop atomic weapons (or other powerful WMD) on American cities? I hope that will not happen.
@kentamitchell Every project regarding to development of nuclear weapon came to halt even before the war ended. Besides, the project was very low budgeted, and Japanese Emperor condemned those who were involved in such researches when he heard about it.
@onigoroshi442 Perhaps Showa Tenno should have shown the same moral outrage for Unit 731. Total death toll from the chemical and biological weapons produced by this unit? 580,000, far more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Ever heard of NBC? An acronym for Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons, all classified as WMDs. (Weapons of Mass Destruction.)
@usafvet100 Unit 731? Give me a break. If you are buying all those crap from communists, I'm not going to waste any of my time there. The US had confiscated all of its works and data, and so far the US have not released any sort of documents proving any of things you said. If you want to be credible, I suggest you wait till the US release anything relevant, or just keep looking.
For every one that put how bad America is for doing this: this was the first time an atomic bomb was ever used in an act of war. Now a days America and most of all the European countries have agreed not to use them. And in 1996 the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, that America signed says that there country will no longer test nuclear weapons. This was the first time a weapon of mass destruction was used in war so why don't you other stupid ass holes get of your high horse and stop calling Americ
@godzuki444 Yeah, another name for it would be: WORLD WAR 2!! Pretty much a completely different thing/story than 9/11...I mean, are you trying to compare World War 2 with 9/11, or what??
yeah, and it's surname would be genocide. he's not comparing WW2 and 9/11, he's comparing hiroshima and 9/11. there is no story. you've lost the war against vietnam, you would've lost the war against japan too, if you just had played by the rules.
@liquorstore7 "Played by the rules," as in invading the Home Islands with conventional weapons? Let's see, we had defeated the IJA island by island across the Pacific with the meager resources alloted to the stepchild theatre (You know of course, of the Allies' "Germany First" policy.) Now Germany was kaput, so we could focus all of our resources and battle-hardened divisions on OPERATION DOWNFALL. Before FDR died, he had also gotten a commitment from Stalin that the Red Army
@liquorstore7 would participate. Meanwhile, the Japanese Imperial General Staff were training mama-sans and schoolkids to fend off the invaders with bamboo spears, one Japanese General spoke of 20 million smashed jewels, which is to say, he was ready to order 20 million of his own people to their deaths. So, we would have used our overwhelming force to invade a nation which seemed bent on genocide by suicide, how would that hve played out? By the time the smoke cleared and the dead
@liquorstore7 were counted, Japanese casualties would indeed have been in the 10s of millions, hardly anything would have been left of her infrastructure, and the world would have a much stronger case for the charges of genocide that have already been leveled against the US from the nuke strikes. Instead, the Japanese surrendered without an invasion, her population was spared a far worse fate, and the US invested millions into rebuilding her infrastructure and economy.
@liquorstore7 One more thing to consider: Had the Red Army participated in the invasion, in all likelihood Japan would have come out of the war as her ally did: partitioned, with half remaining in Soviet hands for another 40 years. Once Uncle Joe sent his troops somewhere, he had a tendency to keep them there indefinitely. Ask the East Germans how that played out for them.
@usafvet100 Have you forgot about the Yalta Conference? It was practically US's fault for dragging USSR into the war in Pacific. Not only FDR promised Stalin half of Europe, he was also planning to share half of Asia with USSR as well. Not to mention, the US had scratched out the part which stated as “the Japanese people will be free to choose whether they shall retain their Emperor as a constitutional monarchy” from the Potsdam Declaration, and also Truman hid that USSR was already with them.
@onigoroshi442 I'll give you partial credit for this, in my opinion FDR was far too generous to Uncle Joe at Tehran and Yalta. Why? Who knows. Perhaps he was simply acknowledging that the Red Army was doing the bulk of the fighting and dying against Germany, and he wanted to avoid the possibility of the USSR seeking a separate peace. The USSR was our most troublesome ally, but we needed them to keep much of the Wehrmacht tied up (and eliminated) on the Eastern Front.
@onigoroshi442 And yes, the bald fact is that we needed their divisions if an invasion of the Home Islands proved necessary, it's fortunate for all parties concerned, especially the Japanese people, that it did not. Any invasion would have been most unpleasant, an invasion of Cossacks (and subsequent occupation) would have been especially so.
@usafvet100 Just so you know, USSR actually did breached a neutrality pact just as promised with the US, and IJA and Japanese citizens did see hell because of it. Most of them were sent off to concentration camps in Siberia (340,000 of them died). That alone should had managed to force Japan to surrender, even with harsh conditions given in the Potsdam Declaration. Instead, the US decided to commit a mass genocide of citizens using atomic weapons. Those weren't necessary at all.
@onigoroshi442 US' fault for "dragging USSR into the war in the Pacific". LOL! Japanese revisionists still refuse to takeresponsibility for their blunders. They attacked China in '37, Mongolia in '39, US, UK, & Holland in '41.
if hirohito had any moral courage, hewould havesued for peace after 6/44, or 3/45 at the latest. No, blame truman for not reading hirohito's mind.
@kentamitchell Your tendency to ignore everything happened before and during the war is just too pathetic. Every single war you mentioned have a long history behind them. However, FDR dragging USSR into the war is just another crazy FDR's idea of sharing the world with his favorite uncle Joseph.
@onigoroshi442 "FDR dragging USSR into the war..." I think it would have been hard to keep the USSR out. Here was a chance to launch a surprise attack and grab territory. I see payback for the Russo-Japanese War, you see sinister coercion from FDR. Japanese militants had tried to attack the USSR in '32 and in '39. You knew this, right?
Russia has wanted a warm water port on the Pacific since the time of the Tsars.
@ImperialistRunningDo Sure, I know all that, but if FDR didn't persuade Stalin to join the war in Pacific, there would be no justification for USSR to attack Japan. Just as USSR said on declaration of war against Japan, they joined the war since it was requested by the Allies. That gave more power to Mao, and created North Korea.
@ImperialistRunningDo At least it would helped Japan taking back the Kuril Islands from Russia if they had no justification at all. Anyway, I just don't like an idea of people thinking that the US was the righteous one protecting the world from all the communists when what she actually did was to help them spread across the continent.
@onigoroshi442 I doubt very much that the US and the UK would have been able to stop Germany without the help of the USSR, Churchill and FDR thought that Hitler was a bigger danger than Stalin. I disagree, but they never consulted with me.
Did Hitler know he was going to have to fight Russia. Of course. He said so in his book. Did he know of any specific plans Stalin had? I doubt it, but it wouldn't make any difference.
You suggest we should have attacked the Red Army in 1945?
@ImperialistRunningDo You are right, but I don't think that would applyed to the situation in Asia.
If Hitler attacked USSR without knowing about the plan, then that makes him one of the most reckless men in the history for taking UK and USSR at the same time, but oh well, we know that USSR was actually planning to betray Germany, so I guess the war really was inevitable.
No, but the US didn't have to team up with USSR either. May be she was worried about Japan and USSR teaming up, but still.
@onigoroshi442 As the Wehrmacht sat poised for the Barbarossa strike in the wee hours of June 22, 1941, one sight that greeted them was a trainload of Soviet grain chugging from the Russian to the German sector of Poland as per the non-aggression pact's provision. Stalin wasn't about to start a scrap with Hitler, the Red Army was in pitiful condition thanks to Stalin's paranoid purges of the 30s. Foreign Minister Molotov was caught by complete surprise when the German Ambassador
@usafvet100 Information you have might be bit old since I believe I read about it quit recently (probably some day last year), and you know how it was in the Katyn massacre. Either way, I'm not too interested in it, but it may be nice if you can look into it.
@onigoroshi442 You might take a minute and look up Richard Sorge, the Soviet Union's top spy in Tokyo. Moscow was concerned that Japan might attack, and Sorge told them that the Japanese Army was preparing to head south, not west. But Sorge found out about Operation Barbarossa and sent detailed information. It wasn't that Stalin hadn't been warned, it was that he refused to believe it. He even pulled his army back from the frontier so as not to provoke an incident.
@ImperialistRunningDo I was reading about Barbarossa, and learnt that Elena Prudnikova, the author of "Rikhard Zorge - razvedchik No. 1?," had claimed that the story of Sorege reporting Stalin about the operation was a fiction created during the Khrushchev era. I don't know if that book is credible, but just to let you know.
@ImperialistRunningDo I guess there was an another Soviet spy who reported Stalin about the very accurate plan of the operation, but I guess you have to read the book (which seems very hard to find).to find who it was.
@onigoroshi442 announced that the Wehrmacht had marched to forestall a planned Soviet attack on THEM. The Germans had a bad habit of blaming other countries for getting themselves invaded by Germans, Imperial Japan seems to have suffered from the same quirk.
@ImperialistRunningDo The UK stopped Hitler for all practical purpose,that is to say they broke the back of the Luftwaffe at the Battle of Britain.No Russians there mate.It was all down hill for Hitler after that.Patton was poised and ready to take Berlin,but was told to stand down and let the Russians do it for political purposes.Hell the Russians didn't even have enough guns and ammo to supply all their troops,yet you say it was the USSR who made the difference. NOT
@ObamaDefeat2012 I read somewhere that out of every four Wehrmacht soldiers killed in WWII, three died on the Eastern front. Over 200,000 German dead just in the battle of Kursk, 750,000 casualties at Stalingrad. Granted, the USSR would never have been able to stay in the fight without our supplies, but the Red Army lost more men than the UK and US combined.
@ImperialistRunningDo Hitler promoted Paulus to Field Marshall when he knew the 5th Army boys were goners, Paulus was supposed to commit suicide to avoid capture as a result. Old Adolf had one of his carpet-chewing temper tantrums when Paulus surrendered instead. No treat for the Winter Fritzes who surrendered, tens of thousands marched off into captivity, very few were ever repatriated a decade or more later.
@ImperialistRunningDo A quickie wiki update and correction: It was the 6th Army, not the 5th. Out of 91,000 German POWs, some 5,000 were eventually repatriated. Paulus apparently went commie after the war, that would have really put Herr Schickelgruber over the edge.
@ImperialistRunningDo Usually an army who loses the most men...lose. The USSR did NOT save the UK as you suggested. It was young Brits who fought in the skies over England that stopped the potential of invasion from Germany. A battle of attrition. I don't disagree that the Soviets played an important role, but the outcome would have been the same regardless. It would have just taken longer.
@ObamaDefeat2012 I certainly don't want to take away anything from the Fighter Command boys, so much was owed by so many to so few. Could the US and UK have KO'd Germany on their own? It would have been a tough row to hoe, Adolf did much to help the Allied cause by sending so much of his fighting force clanking into the USSR to be irretrieveably lost. I shudder to think of what OVERLORD would have been like if all those German divisions were waiting to give the boys in the
@ObamaDefeat2012 Higgins boats a hot reception, Omaha Beach was bad enough with the Jerries on hand. The fight in the hedgerow country was no picnic, either, or the last-gasp effort of WATCH ON THE RHINE. No, I'm afraid we were in the position of having to give the devil his due, we needed Uncle Joe and his Cossack hordes, and he knew it. A pity that we had to hold our noses and do business with such a difficult, untrusting, and untrustworthy "ally," who became an adversary
@ImperialistRunningDo I wonder if Hitler knew Stalin was trying to attack Germany. Part of the reason why Japan and the US couldn't come to an agreement before the war was the outbreak of the war between Germany and USSR.
@kentamitchell Our friend is doing a wonderful job of making my points for me. 1. Falling into the hands of the Red Army was a very unpleasant experience. 2. Maybe the IJA and Japanese settlers shouldn't have been in Manchuria in the first place. 3. "This should have forced the IJA to surrender despite terms of Potsdam Declaration." Yes, it should have, any number of events from 1944 onwards should have caused the IJA to cut its losses, but it just wasn't happening.
@kentamitchell It took the nuke strikes to finally convince the die-hards that it was time to throw in the towel, and they were divided even then. Showa Tenno finally stepped up and broke the deadlock, and he was nearly overthrown for it. As for the "genocide" charges, my previous postings will have to suffice, no need to be redundant.
Fuck you americans, you are criminals, you kill entire countries for oil to put your fat asses and wifes in your big cars... drive them to Mc Donald to eat your famous shit food. Bastards!
And America worries about Iran getting a bomb. Noone is as ruthless and heartless as the US and will think 2x about using them... The only nation to use the bomb on another nation now goes around telling others they can't have it. Hypocrites run this nation
@mrkhan0127 An oversimplification, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nukes were deemed to be the least costly option to end Imperial Japan's bid to slaughter and subjugate its neighbors. You may want to keep in mind that the Japanese Empire killed some 20 million civilians, in Nanking alone some 300,000 were killed, another 300,000 Chinese civilians were killed in reprisal for the Doolittle Raid. An invasion of the Home Islands or a blockade/seige would have cost countless more Allied and
Chinese Army killed over 4 million civilians in the 1938 Yellow River flood alone. Not to mention, it was a common practice for Chinese Army to burn down their own cities, just like how they did it in the 1938 Changsha Fire. Some communist sympathizers estimates the death toll of Nanking Massacre using statistics provided by China, but I am not sure if they are really counting all the deaths caused by Chinese Army themselves.
@onigoroshi442 All this may well be so, but did the IJA come to the rescue of the Chinese peasantry like knights in shining armour? Hardly. While the average Chinese citizen may have found it a bit warm in Chiang Kai Shek's frying-pan, (wok?) it was much hotter still in the IJA's (and later Mao-Tse-Tung's) fire.
@usafvet100 At least when the 1938 Yellow River flood happened, I believe several papers reported IJA rescuing Chinese farmers from the flood. May be you can look into to it. Of course, Chiang said it was IJA's doing. Anyway, it was very unfortunate for the people of China, but it's just weird for people to not know what Chiang did during the war and after the war. Not to mention, his son was held hostage by USSR which was another enemy of IJA. Something is fishy here, but nobody really cares.
@mrkhan0127 JAPANESE lives, and a negotiated settlement that allowed Imperial Japan to keep the territories wrested from her neighbors at the muzzle of an Arisaka was not on the table. As to the postwar era, I have no qualms about having worn the SAC Patch. Did you know that our motto was "Peace is our Profession?" Our role was to provide nuclear deterrence against Communist aggression, and we were never comitted to a first-strike option. By containing the USSR from spreading
@flamingonmychest1234 I studied history, so shut the fuck up and grow a dick
MonkeyMohammed 1 week ago
Big bomb. Unnecessary show of force and intimidation. Was this ACTUALLY NECESSARY?
sugarandpie 1 week ago
原爆批判の議論の中に、多数の市民を虐殺して、国家に降伏するよう脅迫するわけだから、テロの範疇に含まれるというのもあります。
komentoshimasu 1 week ago
意図して市民を殺したUSAは、テロリストと変わりないねｗｗ
t30arisaka 1 week ago
wow that asshole pilot he was relieved that he has done the fucking job right? OF ALL THINGS U CAN SAY FUCKIG ASSHOLE
yoxredwolf 1 week ago
@yoxredwolf 3 days after Hiroshima- Nagasaki
15 hours after Nagasaki, hirohito gave the order to accept the Potsdam Declaration.
kentamitchell 1 week ago
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@kentamitchell @yoxredwolf Don't be fooled. On the same day, USSR declared war against Japan. Japan was waiting for USSR to reply to Japan's request for USSR's peace mediation. Stalin and Truman agreed to keep Japan in war by not giving Japan any clear answer.
onigoroshi442 1 week ago
horrible but u know what these bastards did to korea??
yoxredwolf 1 week ago
America used to think that "duck and cover" would save you from this.
obanesforever2012 1 week ago
israel is going to be defeated, can it stand against Iran, Syria, Russia and China?
TheIbzzicShow 1 week ago
@TheIbzzicShow It has been standing against the entire muslim world for the past 64 years- it's a good bet they'll be around for the next century and more.
kentamitchell 1 week ago
too bad chuck noris wasn't around, they could have just had him stomp on the ground and had the same affect.
halogodzers 2 weeks ago
filhos da puta os cara tava la queto pensando na vida ai voces fazem isso meu deus que dó dos japoneses
TheLordDark1000 2 weeks ago
Iran is going to have nukes. Israel, already has nukes, might attack Iran. North Korea already has a nuke. China is increasing her militray rapidly. A Russian military person said Russia has ability to delete Japan from the world map in 20 minutes. Where is this world going?
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
i m iranian and anyway i dont like atom bomb for any where in world ,, not iran not others , but how about u ? do u like bomb ? but whay u motherfucker hope to atack iran ? mother fuckers who used first atom bomb in hiroshima ? u motherfuckers can atack our horny dick whit your ass we will fuck u . , nonsense humanbeing . most of u just talk about humanity but u are just animal som animal who abuse big word big taitle but in reality fuck world and people animals
daryoubigboy 1 week ago
@daryoubigboy - Your funny.
zero052592 1 week ago
@daryoubigboy There is literally no way Iran would fuck up anybody. And who are you referring to when you say "Do u like bomb? but whay u motherfucker hope to atack iran?".
Do you mean America? Because there are 300 million people with different opinions in that country, whom of 99.99% you will never hear from/about. Many of them are Muslims and are literally facepalming when they see idiot comments like yours.
YOU know nothing of humanity! Probably burning wrong flag because you can't read.
Heretoannoytbh 1 week ago
@daryoubigboy I'm an American and I don't like the bomb. I'm probably more like you are than you realize. There is one big difference between us, though. I am fully aware that the politicians in this world stay in power by keeping the governed in a state of fear by manufacturing one crisis after another.
Did this make your local paper? Last month, the US navy rescued 13 Iranian fishermen held hostage by Somali pirates. I wonder how much local coverage that got.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 week ago
@daryoubigboy
Hello. your "u" means myself? I am NOT blaming Iran. Rather, my point is the fear regarding the world in the future. However, I feel sorry that the government of Iran is taking wrong strategy.
komentoshimasu 1 week ago
WTF BOOM!
Queenfan36 2 weeks ago
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japan killed many asians
this bomb was a necessary evil
dhksrksalem 2 weeks ago
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I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
manxhedghog 2 weeks ago
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I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
manxhedghog 2 weeks ago
I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
manxhedghog 2 weeks ago
I am not happy that we dropped a bomb that killed so many people. But I would regret it more if they had won the war. The only honor in fighting is when you are fighting to defend yourself, or another. Civilians had been killed on both sides, by both sides. If we had not dropped this bomb, more people would have died on both sides. The women and children of Japan were being taught how to fight an invasion they were sure was going to happen. Ultimately, this ended it. War is ugly.
manxhedghog 2 weeks ago
americanos filhos da puta que fazem isso com os japoneses
liondero 2 weeks ago
@liondero shut the fuck up cuz because this is what is called vendetta so because they got attacked on pearl harbor
hghgyufguyfg 2 weeks ago
This is why Japan did not give a shit when 9-11 happened.
metroidshroom 2 weeks ago
@metroidshroom You were in Japan at the time?
My friends there were approached by Japanese who they didn't know (a breach of etiquette) and told how awful it was. It is true that the sympathy ended quickly when Pres. Bush started preaching revenge.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Well many of the older people for example my granmother and her friends where saying its pay back for Hiroshima. Maybe it was who knows.
metroidshroom 2 weeks ago
@metroidshroom My uncle was at Ford Island on Dec. 7, 1941. When he heard of the Tōhoku earthquake, he said it was divine judgement. I said that was true only if EVERY other earthquake, hurricane or outbreak of halitosis is also divine retribution.
BTW, we who live on the Oregon coast are expecting to have debris from the Tōhoku earthquake wash up on our shore. We have been instructed to turn over anything we find of a personal nature -- keepsakes, knick knacks, etc. to be returned to Japan.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
Barbaric genocide. I would have prefered 20 nukes used on 20 millitary bases than that. But ONE bomb on a CIVILIAN city that didnt ask for anything nor did anything is unforgiveable. And they dropped two,not one. I stand by that. If you're going to bomb a country, bomb the soldiers and millitary infrastructure. Even tho its not the best millitary strategy, a country that bombs civilians should be considered BARBARIC and should face a global trial and pay heavily for such an atrocious crime.
JOLEMONGOL 2 weeks ago
@JOLEMONGOL fyi Hiroshima was the hq of the Japanese 2nd General Army under Field Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & approx 20,000 died in the bombing.
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
@JOLEMONGOL you haven't got any idea what you are talking about. We were at war with a country, not soldiers. At Pearl Harbor, not only soldiers were targeted. The women and children of Japan were learning how to fight an invasion they thought would happen. We warned them that if they did not surrender, we would drop it, both times. If we had invaded, we would have had to kill all of the same people, and many more.
manxhedghog 2 weeks ago
@manxhedghog Sorry buddy, you got them all wrong.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 why don't you do your research somewhere other than youtube, then come to me with an admittance that you just displayed such a feat of ignorance that it borders on trolling.
manxhedghog 2 weeks ago
@manxhedghog Just in case you didn't realized, I like trolling ignorant dumb fuck like you. There is just no other comfortable way to face people like you. Sorry.
onigoroshi442 1 week ago
@onigoroshi442 stop being an idiot, learn some social skills, and get a life
manxhedghog 1 week ago
@manxhedghog Please understand the fact that ignorance is actually annoying and offending. If you can't, then fuck you.
onigoroshi442 1 week ago
@manxhedgho Yeh the bomb saved more people. Not only would there of been an invasion had the bomb of failed (an est 2 million dead Japs and 1 million allied soldiers)...the Jap civilians would of continued to starve due to the blockade and them sending the food to the front line to keep up the war effort. If people are going to lay blame then they need to blame humanity itself for being warlike. It just so happened that the West got the bomb first but the Japs had an A bomb program
clutchSlipper 2 weeks ago
@manxhedghog not exactly the same people, but >x10 as many
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
As an interesting fact, this entire project was kept so secret that (at the time) Vice President Truman didn't even know about it. He found out after he was sworn in when a man whispered it into his ear.
SergeantCross8 2 weeks ago
4:45 Penis :o
iMagrock 2 weeks ago
2:00 The End
55deno55 2 weeks ago
But what we have to understand by watching this video is something else..If you could feel the pain and despare people felt there then you would not participate in any war..ever! By watching this you sould understand the importance of not being in a war..of living in peace.Stop "daily" wars and think like you are in the other's place...If you do this you wouldn't participate in any cruelty.We can change the way the world goes just THINK about it!
TheEtoimos 2 weeks ago
It is well known that the whites are the worst kind of people (I'm a white man myself).Of course I'm not talking about everyone but I won't make a clarification if you misjudge this it will mean that I hurted your pride so I dont fucking care.Anyway this is not the first time whites cause so much pain...But it is the first time they cause so much pain internationally! Fuck yeah we deserve congratulations!! (Y)
TheEtoimos 2 weeks ago
lost timing
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
Let's make a movie for Truman. My plan is something like this.
He tells well-known his justification in front of the GOD and obtains the permission to go to Heaven. After he goes to the Heaven, he meets the children died due to the atomic bombing. Then, he confesses his truth, and apologize them. They would accept his truth. The moment he is saved. Then, he goes down the stairs to the Hell by his will.
- THE END -
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
@komentoshimasu You mustn't forget the Burlesque dancers that will provide mindless entertainment. A cameo appearance by Wallis Simpson declaring her love for Adolph Hitler would also increase ratings, with the deposed King, in the background screaming obscenities at Eva Braun for her inaction to defend her stomping ground.
PhoenixxxStar 2 weeks ago
@komentoshimasu Baka-sans like you make me very proud to be an atheist.
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
@kentamitchell
i'm sure u r not an atheist, 'cause u r beleiving in the a-can myth.
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
@komentoshimasu "A-cam myth?" Please, for so long your command of the English language has been a shining example. I still think you are fluent, but overly modest. Your last message is a rebus. You have 500 characters, feel free to use them.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo
Just a try.
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
@komentoshimasu Korekaramo ganbatte kudasai.
I am an old man, and my teen-aged niece and nephew drive me mad with rebus messages. They don't type "cat" it's "c@" instead. Back when text messages were charged by the character, that made sense. But now, with access to a full-sized keyboard, it just makes them look lazy. I'm sure I am in the minority here....
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo
Probably, you do not like such kind of writings that are not written by "right" manner. I understand your thought and agree. However, a man sometimes want to do fool things, and what I wrote is somewhat classical one. you-->u, are-->r, etc. So, please just "mokusatsu" them when you find.
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
@komentoshimasu what a lame idea. you should've kept it to yourself.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442
absolutely
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
Harry Truman has to one day stand before GOD and explain his actions why he gave the permission for innocent children, woman, and elders to be killed. Over 300, 000 souls were condemned to die just to prove the UNITED STATES was a superpower.
PhoenixxxStar 2 weeks ago
@PhoenixxxStar "just to prove the US was a superpower?" I doubt rather seriously that this was Truman's motivation. A more likely train of thought: "We've been fighting these people for four years now, and the more we defeat them the more fanatical their resistance becomes. If we invade, millions of Allied troops AND Japanese civilians will die, If we blockade them, millions of Japanese will perish of starvation. Their leadership killed the Potsdam Declaration with silence. What
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@PhoenixxxStar shall we do? As terrible as they are, perhaps using these new weapons will end this war with the fewest casualties possible to both sides. There's no good solution to this mess, but this seems like the least terrible one." Subsequent evidence seems to lead this direction, the US did much to help rebuild Japan's infrastructure and industrial base postwar, and did NOT use the nuclear monopoly which existed from 1945-49 to go empire-building.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 That doesn't really make any sense accept as a feeble attempt to justify your response. I hate German Natzis. So does that give me permission (on behalf of whatever political leadership) to open up a concentratrion camp for Neo-Natzis. If we can get rid of one hating German, perhaps that means one more JEW gets to live. If that's your argument, then lets get those transport trains a moving. One less hater to worry about......and a peace-of-mind that sanctions this conduct
PhoenixxxStar 2 weeks ago
@PhoenixxxStar No, that's not my argument at all, but no matter. Perhaps I can make it clearer: Imaagine that you're newly sworn-in President Harry Truman: When you took office, a desperate battle was being fought on Iwo Jima in which 19,800 of the 20,000 man enemy garrison chose death over surrender. Next, your troops moved on to Okinawa and another desperate battle took place, this time the skies are filled with kamikaze aircraft, and the ground forces fought with the same
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@PhoenixxxStar suicidal intensity. Next stop: the Home Islands, where you know that not only troops but also Japanese women and children are being trained to repel the invaders with bamboo spears. "What a bloodbath THAT's going to be," you say. "Isn't there any alternative?" Well, not many. You can blockade the Home Islands and starve 'em out, Japan doesn't have much arable land. You can try negotiating some more, but your proposals are getting killed with silence, any
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@PhoenixxxStar concessions you make are going to be interpreted as a sign of weakness, encouraging your enemy to continue stonewalling and draw this miserable business out indefinitely. Or you can use this new weapon the Los Alamos eggheads have just told you about and hope it will force a quick end to the war. Millions of lives are at stake with whatever decision you make. So, what would YOU have done?
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
Well, that is what happens when you side with fucking NAZIS! Even if the Germans would have won the war, they would have killed all of their allies off in the end, because they wanted their "Superior Race" to be the one and only after all.
cannibal151 2 weeks ago
@cannibal151 Well, I see you having no problem with the US siding with commies. Thanks to people like you, over 100 million people got killed by Stalin and Mao. Good job.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
Take that commie japs.
deadratz 2 weeks ago
@deadratz American recession - take that - no
pocallaghan9 2 weeks ago
لا للحروب نعم لسلام
abes417 2 weeks ago
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@Kodos13 I think nobody cares if you apologized or not, but fuck you.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
↓釣りかな？
komentoshimasu 2 weeks ago
Well deserved ... many innocent died true ... but many of ''these innocents'' would go war if they could ! so i say Bravo to the US army and MacArthur for putting an end to that nazi crap which will become eventually the doomsday!!!! the US always in the best moment. and i say to hirohito and his insane people that you shouldnt play smarties while there is the USA ;) have a nice day !
GivenchyParisFr 2 weeks ago
@GivenchyParisFr french shit
pocallaghan9 2 weeks ago
@pocallaghan9 i am not french but moroccan .. but i am with justice
GivenchyParisFr 2 weeks ago
当時のアメリカは黄色人種を人間だと思ってなかったからこんなものを落とせたんだろ。
makoyang 2 weeks ago
@Kodos13 Well put!
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
Aww... gee... what's the point of bombing, terrorists?
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onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
Wow sure am glad that England wasn't responsible...hehehe.....
leehocking514 2 weeks ago
@leehocking514 So the British weren't involved in making the bomb? This is news to me....
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@leehocking514 funny england was one of the major players in making this bomb ,they had a nuclear proyect that began in 1940 , in my opinion the allies should of sank that island to the bottom of the pacific
kevinyuni 2 weeks ago
Shouldn't have attacked Pearl harbor.
jeremy10568 2 weeks ago
@jeremy10568 Yeah right, Japan should've just waited till FDR and his uncle Joseph turn Japan into their playground.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 exactly!
leehocking514 2 weeks ago
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@ onigoroshi442 so you'r saying that it isn't ok for terrorist to attack America because that would mean that your idea of war is just one country attacking another without any counter attacks. I don't like the idea of an attack on my country but the terrorist technically do have the right.
elite738 2 weeks ago
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onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
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@elite738 If you are talking about counter attack, I believe interrupting one's effort to acquire critical resources, aiding one's enemies militarily, and planning to execute a sneak attack hiding under one's enemies flag are enough reasons for one to attack.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
poor pleople ...
turbofly50 2 weeks ago
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@ onigoroshi442 i'm not saying I like it but yes it is ok. We are at a state of war with them do if you don't think they should be allowed to attack us if they can then you must not know how war really works
elite738 2 weeks ago
@ onigoroshi442 i'm not saying I like it but yes it is ok. We are at a state of war with them do if you don't think they should be allowed to attack us if they can then you must not know how war really works
elite738 2 weeks ago
@elite738 I'm not quite getting what you are trying to tell me, but if you tell me it's ok to drop nuclear weapons on a war which was provoked by the US herself, I sure have some things to say.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@ onigoroshi442 so you are saying the Hiroshima wasn't provoked? And also u never said it wasn't provoked I said a surprise attack
elite738 2 weeks ago
@elite738 So it's ok for terrorist to drop WMD on American cities? It sure wasn't a surprise attack. FDR said to Winston Churchill, "I may never declare war; I may make war." and so he did.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@ Kentamitchell plus for the people who call American heartless for a surprise attack on there country, do they not remember Pearl Harbor...
elite738 2 weeks ago
@elite738 Pearl Harbor was provoked. Check videos on my page if you care.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@elite738 Pearl Harbour was significantly a Military target, Hiroshima was a civilian target, hence hundreds of thousands of them died
pocallaghan9 2 weeks ago
@pocallaghan9 "Hiroshima was a civilian target..." Perhaps you should look this up. The defense of the Home Islands was split into two -- the 1st Army (headquartered in Tokyo) guarded Hokkaido and Honshu. The 2nd guarded the southern islands. And where do you thing their HQ was? There was a Nakajima factory there, as well as the HQ of the dreaded secret police. The harbor was filled with boats, and an airfield filled with military aircraft, both intended for suicide missions.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo @pocallaghan9 I think it was Barton Bernstein who revealed that the main target of the bomb was civilians. That's why those bombs were dropped in the middle of large cities. May be it will be interesting if you look into it.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 "civilians in cities had already become targets. The grim Axis bombing record is well known. Masses of noncombatants were also intentionally killed in the later stages of the American air war against Germany; that tactic was developed further in 1945 with the firebombing of Japanese cities. Such mass bombing constituted a transformation of morality, repudiating President Franklin D. Roosevelt's prewar pleas that the warring nations avoid bombing cities to spare civilian lives."
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo THAT Barton Rernstein?
I don't recall what rank he had during WWII, nor what position he held in the decision making.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo He is a historian.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 Irony doesn't do well on the internet. Yes, I figured that out on my own. But there are no shortage of historians who make a good living off of Monday-morning quarterbacking. It's an easy thing to do when you don't have a million lives depending on your next move.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Well, it wasn't that funny if you read the whole work. Things you mentioned were all considered in his essay you brought up.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
Americans fucking pigs. Japan would have done the same thing if they could. It's called war.
elite738 2 weeks ago
@elite738 Don't you understand that you are practically saying it's ok to drop atomic weapons (or other powerful WMD) on American cities? I hope that will not happen.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@elite738 Correct. Look up the story of the German sub U-234. It sailed for Japan in '45- with a cargo that included a hundred kilos of U-235.
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
@kentamitchell Every project regarding to development of nuclear weapon came to halt even before the war ended. Besides, the project was very low budgeted, and Japanese Emperor condemned those who were involved in such researches when he heard about it.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 Perhaps Showa Tenno should have shown the same moral outrage for Unit 731. Total death toll from the chemical and biological weapons produced by this unit? 580,000, far more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Ever heard of NBC? An acronym for Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons, all classified as WMDs. (Weapons of Mass Destruction.)
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 Unit 731? Give me a break. If you are buying all those crap from communists, I'm not going to waste any of my time there. The US had confiscated all of its works and data, and so far the US have not released any sort of documents proving any of things you said. If you want to be credible, I suggest you wait till the US release anything relevant, or just keep looking.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
For every one that put how bad America is for doing this: this was the first time an atomic bomb was ever used in an act of war. Now a days America and most of all the European countries have agreed not to use them. And in 1996 the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, that America signed says that there country will no longer test nuclear weapons. This was the first time a weapon of mass destruction was used in war so why don't you other stupid ass holes get of your high horse and stop calling Americ
elite738 2 weeks ago
the dramatic thing about it is that nowdays we have 500 times more powerful bombs
greekfitercod4ever 2 weeks ago
thumbnail looks like a small dick!
scevec15534 2 weeks ago
Wake me when I get a Nuclear Pistol
Booombs2Go 2 weeks ago
But when 9/11 happened they said to us that all who is not whit them are terrorist. I love USA but this was 9/11 * 50 times .
godzuki444 2 weeks ago
@godzuki444 Yeah, another name for it would be: WORLD WAR 2!! Pretty much a completely different thing/story than 9/11...I mean, are you trying to compare World War 2 with 9/11, or what??
MrJamesLongstreet 2 weeks ago
@MrJamesLongstreet
yeah, and it's surname would be genocide. he's not comparing WW2 and 9/11, he's comparing hiroshima and 9/11. there is no story. you've lost the war against vietnam, you would've lost the war against japan too, if you just had played by the rules.
liquorstore7 2 weeks ago
@liquorstore7 "Played by the rules," as in invading the Home Islands with conventional weapons? Let's see, we had defeated the IJA island by island across the Pacific with the meager resources alloted to the stepchild theatre (You know of course, of the Allies' "Germany First" policy.) Now Germany was kaput, so we could focus all of our resources and battle-hardened divisions on OPERATION DOWNFALL. Before FDR died, he had also gotten a commitment from Stalin that the Red Army
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@liquorstore7 would participate. Meanwhile, the Japanese Imperial General Staff were training mama-sans and schoolkids to fend off the invaders with bamboo spears, one Japanese General spoke of 20 million smashed jewels, which is to say, he was ready to order 20 million of his own people to their deaths. So, we would have used our overwhelming force to invade a nation which seemed bent on genocide by suicide, how would that hve played out? By the time the smoke cleared and the dead
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@liquorstore7 were counted, Japanese casualties would indeed have been in the 10s of millions, hardly anything would have been left of her infrastructure, and the world would have a much stronger case for the charges of genocide that have already been leveled against the US from the nuke strikes. Instead, the Japanese surrendered without an invasion, her population was spared a far worse fate, and the US invested millions into rebuilding her infrastructure and economy.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@liquorstore7 One more thing to consider: Had the Red Army participated in the invasion, in all likelihood Japan would have come out of the war as her ally did: partitioned, with half remaining in Soviet hands for another 40 years. Once Uncle Joe sent his troops somewhere, he had a tendency to keep them there indefinitely. Ask the East Germans how that played out for them.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 Correct...and ask the Poles, Hungarians,Czechs, Rumanians,and Bulgars.
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 Have you forgot about the Yalta Conference? It was practically US's fault for dragging USSR into the war in Pacific. Not only FDR promised Stalin half of Europe, he was also planning to share half of Asia with USSR as well. Not to mention, the US had scratched out the part which stated as “the Japanese people will be free to choose whether they shall retain their Emperor as a constitutional monarchy” from the Potsdam Declaration, and also Truman hid that USSR was already with them.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 I'll give you partial credit for this, in my opinion FDR was far too generous to Uncle Joe at Tehran and Yalta. Why? Who knows. Perhaps he was simply acknowledging that the Red Army was doing the bulk of the fighting and dying against Germany, and he wanted to avoid the possibility of the USSR seeking a separate peace. The USSR was our most troublesome ally, but we needed them to keep much of the Wehrmacht tied up (and eliminated) on the Eastern Front.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 And yes, the bald fact is that we needed their divisions if an invasion of the Home Islands proved necessary, it's fortunate for all parties concerned, especially the Japanese people, that it did not. Any invasion would have been most unpleasant, an invasion of Cossacks (and subsequent occupation) would have been especially so.
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onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
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@usafvet100 Just so you know, USSR actually did breached a neutrality pact just as promised with the US, and IJA and Japanese citizens did see hell because of it. Most of them were sent off to concentration camps in Siberia (340,000 of them died). That alone should had managed to force Japan to surrender, even with harsh conditions given in the Potsdam Declaration. Instead, the US decided to commit a mass genocide of citizens using atomic weapons. Those weren't necessary at all.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 US' fault for "dragging USSR into the war in the Pacific". LOL! Japanese revisionists still refuse to takeresponsibility for their blunders. They attacked China in '37, Mongolia in '39, US, UK, & Holland in '41.
if hirohito had any moral courage, hewould havesued for peace after 6/44, or 3/45 at the latest. No, blame truman for not reading hirohito's mind.
kentamitchell 2 weeks ago
@kentamitchell Your tendency to ignore everything happened before and during the war is just too pathetic. Every single war you mentioned have a long history behind them. However, FDR dragging USSR into the war is just another crazy FDR's idea of sharing the world with his favorite uncle Joseph.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 "FDR dragging USSR into the war..." I think it would have been hard to keep the USSR out. Here was a chance to launch a surprise attack and grab territory. I see payback for the Russo-Japanese War, you see sinister coercion from FDR. Japanese militants had tried to attack the USSR in '32 and in '39. You knew this, right?
Russia has wanted a warm water port on the Pacific since the time of the Tsars.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Sure, I know all that, but if FDR didn't persuade Stalin to join the war in Pacific, there would be no justification for USSR to attack Japan. Just as USSR said on declaration of war against Japan, they joined the war since it was requested by the Allies. That gave more power to Mao, and created North Korea.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 Stalin didn't need justification to invade Poland in '39. He had plans to attack Germany, but Hitler back stabbed him first.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo At least it would helped Japan taking back the Kuril Islands from Russia if they had no justification at all. Anyway, I just don't like an idea of people thinking that the US was the righteous one protecting the world from all the communists when what she actually did was to help them spread across the continent.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 I doubt very much that the US and the UK would have been able to stop Germany without the help of the USSR, Churchill and FDR thought that Hitler was a bigger danger than Stalin. I disagree, but they never consulted with me.
Did Hitler know he was going to have to fight Russia. Of course. He said so in his book. Did he know of any specific plans Stalin had? I doubt it, but it wouldn't make any difference.
You suggest we should have attacked the Red Army in 1945?
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo You are right, but I don't think that would applyed to the situation in Asia.
If Hitler attacked USSR without knowing about the plan, then that makes him one of the most reckless men in the history for taking UK and USSR at the same time, but oh well, we know that USSR was actually planning to betray Germany, so I guess the war really was inevitable.
No, but the US didn't have to team up with USSR either. May be she was worried about Japan and USSR teaming up, but still.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 As the Wehrmacht sat poised for the Barbarossa strike in the wee hours of June 22, 1941, one sight that greeted them was a trainload of Soviet grain chugging from the Russian to the German sector of Poland as per the non-aggression pact's provision. Stalin wasn't about to start a scrap with Hitler, the Red Army was in pitiful condition thanks to Stalin's paranoid purges of the 30s. Foreign Minister Molotov was caught by complete surprise when the German Ambassador
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 Information you have might be bit old since I believe I read about it quit recently (probably some day last year), and you know how it was in the Katyn massacre. Either way, I'm not too interested in it, but it may be nice if you can look into it.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 You might take a minute and look up Richard Sorge, the Soviet Union's top spy in Tokyo. Moscow was concerned that Japan might attack, and Sorge told them that the Japanese Army was preparing to head south, not west. But Sorge found out about Operation Barbarossa and sent detailed information. It wasn't that Stalin hadn't been warned, it was that he refused to believe it. He even pulled his army back from the frontier so as not to provoke an incident.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo I read about him. I believe it was Sorge who reported Stalin that Japan was preparing a war against the US.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo I was reading about Barbarossa, and learnt that Elena Prudnikova, the author of "Rikhard Zorge - razvedchik No. 1?," had claimed that the story of Sorege reporting Stalin about the operation was a fiction created during the Khrushchev era. I don't know if that book is credible, but just to let you know.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo I guess there was an another Soviet spy who reported Stalin about the very accurate plan of the operation, but I guess you have to read the book (which seems very hard to find).to find who it was.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 Oops, I guess it wasn't that new. Please refer to Joachim Hoffmann's research.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 announced that the Wehrmacht had marched to forestall a planned Soviet attack on THEM. The Germans had a bad habit of blaming other countries for getting themselves invaded by Germans, Imperial Japan seems to have suffered from the same quirk.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo The UK stopped Hitler for all practical purpose,that is to say they broke the back of the Luftwaffe at the Battle of Britain.No Russians there mate.It was all down hill for Hitler after that.Patton was poised and ready to take Berlin,but was told to stand down and let the Russians do it for political purposes.Hell the Russians didn't even have enough guns and ammo to supply all their troops,yet you say it was the USSR who made the difference. NOT
ObamaDefeat2012 2 weeks ago
@ObamaDefeat2012 I read somewhere that out of every four Wehrmacht soldiers killed in WWII, three died on the Eastern front. Over 200,000 German dead just in the battle of Kursk, 750,000 casualties at Stalingrad. Granted, the USSR would never have been able to stay in the fight without our supplies, but the Red Army lost more men than the UK and US combined.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Hitler promoted Paulus to Field Marshall when he knew the 5th Army boys were goners, Paulus was supposed to commit suicide to avoid capture as a result. Old Adolf had one of his carpet-chewing temper tantrums when Paulus surrendered instead. No treat for the Winter Fritzes who surrendered, tens of thousands marched off into captivity, very few were ever repatriated a decade or more later.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 There's a German film "Stalingrad." Very good, if you're into depressing movies.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo A quickie wiki update and correction: It was the 6th Army, not the 5th. Out of 91,000 German POWs, some 5,000 were eventually repatriated. Paulus apparently went commie after the war, that would have really put Herr Schickelgruber over the edge.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Usually an army who loses the most men...lose. The USSR did NOT save the UK as you suggested. It was young Brits who fought in the skies over England that stopped the potential of invasion from Germany. A battle of attrition. I don't disagree that the Soviets played an important role, but the outcome would have been the same regardless. It would have just taken longer.
ObamaDefeat2012 2 weeks ago
@ObamaDefeat2012 I certainly don't want to take away anything from the Fighter Command boys, so much was owed by so many to so few. Could the US and UK have KO'd Germany on their own? It would have been a tough row to hoe, Adolf did much to help the Allied cause by sending so much of his fighting force clanking into the USSR to be irretrieveably lost. I shudder to think of what OVERLORD would have been like if all those German divisions were waiting to give the boys in the
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@ObamaDefeat2012 Higgins boats a hot reception, Omaha Beach was bad enough with the Jerries on hand. The fight in the hedgerow country was no picnic, either, or the last-gasp effort of WATCH ON THE RHINE. No, I'm afraid we were in the position of having to give the devil his due, we needed Uncle Joe and his Cossack hordes, and he knew it. A pity that we had to hold our noses and do business with such a difficult, untrusting, and untrustworthy "ally," who became an adversary
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@ObamaDefeat2012 and a menace before the smoke even cleared.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@ImperialistRunningDo I wonder if Hitler knew Stalin was trying to attack Germany. Part of the reason why Japan and the US couldn't come to an agreement before the war was the outbreak of the war between Germany and USSR.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@kentamitchell Our friend is doing a wonderful job of making my points for me. 1. Falling into the hands of the Red Army was a very unpleasant experience. 2. Maybe the IJA and Japanese settlers shouldn't have been in Manchuria in the first place. 3. "This should have forced the IJA to surrender despite terms of Potsdam Declaration." Yes, it should have, any number of events from 1944 onwards should have caused the IJA to cut its losses, but it just wasn't happening.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@kentamitchell It took the nuke strikes to finally convince the die-hards that it was time to throw in the towel, and they were divided even then. Showa Tenno finally stepped up and broke the deadlock, and he was nearly overthrown for it. As for the "genocide" charges, my previous postings will have to suffice, no need to be redundant.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@MrJamesLongstreet I repeat to you , I love USA but I never going to understand this.
godzuki444 2 weeks ago
Fuck you americans, you are criminals, you kill entire countries for oil to put your fat asses and wifes in your big cars... drive them to Mc Donald to eat your famous shit food. Bastards!
bv66wuwusa 2 weeks ago
Fuck America
mrkhan0127 2 weeks ago
And America worries about Iran getting a bomb. Noone is as ruthless and heartless as the US and will think 2x about using them... The only nation to use the bomb on another nation now goes around telling others they can't have it. Hypocrites run this nation
mrkhan0127 2 weeks ago
@mrkhan0127 An oversimplification, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nukes were deemed to be the least costly option to end Imperial Japan's bid to slaughter and subjugate its neighbors. You may want to keep in mind that the Japanese Empire killed some 20 million civilians, in Nanking alone some 300,000 were killed, another 300,000 Chinese civilians were killed in reprisal for the Doolittle Raid. An invasion of the Home Islands or a blockade/seige would have cost countless more Allied and
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 @mrkhan0127 >in Nanking alone some 300,000 were killed,
Chinese Army killed over 4 million civilians in the 1938 Yellow River flood alone. Not to mention, it was a common practice for Chinese Army to burn down their own cities, just like how they did it in the 1938 Changsha Fire. Some communist sympathizers estimates the death toll of Nanking Massacre using statistics provided by China, but I am not sure if they are really counting all the deaths caused by Chinese Army themselves.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@onigoroshi442 All this may well be so, but did the IJA come to the rescue of the Chinese peasantry like knights in shining armour? Hardly. While the average Chinese citizen may have found it a bit warm in Chiang Kai Shek's frying-pan, (wok?) it was much hotter still in the IJA's (and later Mao-Tse-Tung's) fire.
usafvet100 2 weeks ago
@usafvet100 At least when the 1938 Yellow River flood happened, I believe several papers reported IJA rescuing Chinese farmers from the flood. May be you can look into to it. Of course, Chiang said it was IJA's doing. Anyway, it was very unfortunate for the people of China, but it's just weird for people to not know what Chiang did during the war and after the war. Not to mention, his son was held hostage by USSR which was another enemy of IJA. Something is fishy here, but nobody really cares.
onigoroshi442 2 weeks ago
@mrkhan0127 JAPANESE lives, and a negotiated settlement that allowed Imperial Japan to keep the territories wrested from her neighbors at the muzzle of an Arisaka was not on the table. As to the postwar era, I have no qualms about having worn the SAC Patch. Did you know that our motto was "Peace is our Profession?" Our role was to provide nuclear deterrence against Communist aggression, and we were never comitted to a first-strike option. By containing the USSR from spreading
usafvet100 2 weeks ago