what do you say about the event if you look at the official story that day by day becomes one big hilarious joke to say words like facts and evidence ......the magical supernatural crew that did all those unexplaneble things and make buildings to dust ..and some get away living and well
without a scrats .that is a mastermind after all that can have such a crew out of caves with that kind of superpowers
@Thelovelychristinaa when you say jews did it, you make yourself sound like a racist(not saying you are) technically you are correct in the respect that a lot of high ranking members are jewish, but NOT EVERY JEW is responsible, let us have some respect for the Holocaust!
What a joke. So , so your saying in one of the most horrible elaborate events of modern society all the good people in government and their agencies did nothing. They shut their eyes and turned their backs and allowed your so called hoax to happen, ummm I don't think so . Oh yes and all this so called undeniable evidence is now rallying all the good people in our world to hit the streets in unprecedented numbers to protest and demand the truth . The world is watching. I don't think so.
@iuseutubeoften No, one of the good ones like Barry Jennings who was to testify to his eyewitness account of bombs exploding in WTC7 before the collapse and other incriminating facts, was murdered the day before. Another, FEMA photographer Kurt Sonnenfeld, who saved photos of the vault bombed and robbed before the towers collapsed as well as evidence of demolition and coverup of evidence,is threatened and harassed by the government so cannot return to the land of the free or he may will be too.
Anyone with a little brain knows that 9/11 was a real hoax because the version of the US Administrations did not make any sense and did not fit the spectrum .
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The_Craven Joseph Goebbels quote
Who REALLY runs our world? search "israel Did 911" and search "ZionCrimeFactory" for proof.
"US Rep. McKinney has accused the pro-Israel Lobby in America (AIPAC, ADL, etc) for ruining her political career.She refused to sign the pro-Israel pledge from Congress and took a pro-Palestinian stance. Because of this, she said “war was declared” on her by them. In 2009 she told TIU's Ognir that “more than 99% of Congress work for Zionist-Israeli interests.”
9-11 was not the first time the U. S. murdered its own people to start an unprovoked war. This is an old school trick going back to the 1800. Can anyone tell me when the U. S. LOADED a passenger ship with explosives and civilians stered the ship into enemy waters and blew up every one on board. However the captain mysteriously survived. A hint for you. The true facts of this incident are not written in your local history book. If you do research you will realize the American government has
9/11 was 100% an inside job,.to avoid awnsering even 1 of thousands of unawserable questions is to call it a conspiracy.Its the only way for the criminals of this fauls flag to avoid talking about it,and the only reson is they no its ionpossible to defend the facts tyhat prove 100% it was an insiode job.The people sleaping need to wakle up and do some reaserch on possibly the most important thing ever in humain history.
wow....people are soooooo silly....9/11 was not a hoax. it was a freaken attack. theres no new world order. and obama is not osama bin laden....and the reason why tower 7 was imploaded is because it was going to be destroyed either way when the towers went down. so they evacuated tower 7 before they imploaded the building....
@robertmosesiscool you are more than a little stupid sonny ,if u r correct ,and building 7 was brought down demolition was carried out so quickly it is imposssible without prior knowledge of some incident ,A building of that size is NOT brought down so quickly ,its about oil ,money ,greed ,and further control of the region ,yes it was an attack ,an attack on my and your freedom ,wake up and just look where were going .its not wholly your fault you seem stupid ,you are genuinely brainwashed
Over 100,000 Americans were involved in the Manhattan Project to build the first A-bombs. Not one of them "leaked" a single thing. So it's simply ignorant to claim that a 9/11 conspiracy couldn't be kept secret.
I don't believe your conspiracy theories, I know for a fact that islam is to blame for 9/11. Nobody in the U.S is to blame that's just muslim propoganda trying to take the blame away from them. Blame islam
@DarkosApprentice I didn't give you a conspiracy theory. You "know for a fact that Islam is to blame"? HOW, exactly? Why don't you make some world news and tell us how you know this for a FACT? We'll be glad to know about it. If you can't do that, I'll just assume that your mind and character are too small and weak to accept any blame elsewhere.
"Pakistan blocked vital supply routes for U.S.-led troops in Afghanistan on Saturday after coalition helicopters and fighter jets allegedly killed 24 Pakistani troops at two posts along a mountainous frontier that serves as a safe haven for militants. The incident was a major blow to American efforts to rebuild an already tattered alliance vital to winding down the 10-year-old Afghan war."
Sane world we live in.
Bush said that the hijackers put explosives in Towers: /watch?v=Z1DEZZACVnI
@amamerc It's also a conspiracy theory to question video footage of some object that clearly looks more like a missile than a plane hitting the Pentagon.
Sanity says that if 3 steel-framed buildings (one of which was never hit by a plane) collapse at nearly free fall speed due to fire on the same day, a completely unprecedented an inexplicable horror, then it's the dirty evil Muslims who did it.
Sanity says that the government always tells the truth, never lies, and is 100% good.
WTC 7 was not explained because it was a given??????? And prof. Jones never said that. You come on here and scream at people saying they believe everything they see on the internet, then push a blogger as "proof" hahahaha what a tool.......
NFL twin RB Tiki Barber was in the last NFL game before 9/11 on Monday, 9/10/01 recording 10 carries for 28 yards when his New York Giants lost at the Denver Broncos 20-31. Was 9/11 foretold in adult feature “Mo’ Diggity” (with cHE VAUGHN; Qatier) four years earlier? “Twin” guys getting high-rise hotel busy before a skyline view as the radio ad says: “Game pieces available until APRIL 7, 1997”—a 22nd birthday for Tiki & Ronde Barber and 12 days before they were selected in the 1997 NFL Draft
They need to remove everyone and anyone who has anything to do with the government. Then start off clean. Let the people actually select the president and start investigating this whole "war on terror". We stick pretty labels on everything and spend money on bullets not food. My concern isn't now, my concern is the future how many more lives will be taken, from both sides?
• 9/11 was a very serious crime & it has changed the world. WE must find out who were responsible for all American victims of 9/11and those victims killed abroad. Then punish them accordingly. A fully independent 9/11 commission should be set up to reinvestigate this unresolved complicated vicious crime because it has too many questions unanswered. This horrified tragic event should never & would never go away until we find the whole truth.
@plau0088 I hate to break the news to you, but we found out who was responsible. It was 19 Arab hijackers commissioned by al-Qaeda to crash planes into the buildings. The US has done their best to punish those responsible. There was a 9/11 commission and they published a long detailed report. If they haven't answered questions, myriad academic studies have given well-evidenced answers to questions. Despite all of the evidence, there are many denialists who will deny the sun while staring at it.
@ahmedovahmed Dude there are a lot of people with the same name who claimed that they were misidentified or victims of identity theft. Some media mistakenly seized on it only to find out that they were wrong. Numerous interviews, largely done by independent private media, with family and friends of the hijackers confirm the official accounts. The Saudi government confirms that 15 of the 19 hijackers were indeed Saudi. Don't be a dumbass, dumbass.
@ssmith5342 first, you are prove to be a dumbass, by referring to the Saudi government. What a trustful source, OMG! Saudi government confirmed ! :) haha dumbass!
@ahmedovahmed Fucking paranoid truther. You're just as much of a smug prick as the rest of them. Why would governments want to claim their own as part of a terrorist attack? Ever ask yourself that? Who's the dumbass now, dumbass. Go fuck yourself.
@ssmith5342 what a stupid Sam you are... If you knew that most governments are just puppets of the US and are willing to do whatever to keep their kingdom alive, you wouldn't write like that. the US and the Saudis have a trillion dollar trade going on, why the fuck they would care if they claim their own as a terrorist or as innocent?
@ahmedovahmed Puppets? Yeah hardly. It was hard enough for the US to persuade the Saudis to use their ground for troops in the Gulf Wars. It seems like it is the other way around. The Saudis have the US on a string. They get away with so much shit. Oh yeah, and why would any country want to claim that their citizens were involved in terrorist attacks against another country. It has the potential to damage their relations and that multi-billion dollar trade deal
@ahmedovahmed Uh, yeah, the link doesn't work. Anyhow I have read the BBC news story about how the hijackers are alive. It turns they're wrong, and they later admit it. I find it ironic that truthers tend to question BBC because they reported the collapse of WTC7 early. Yet they point to BBC as a beacon of truth on the hijackers being alive bullshit. God good, I mean, Jesus Christ, you guys are all delusional cunts.
@ssmith5342 Sir, do you really think seeking the truth is a bad idea ? If so,please explain your reasoning. I'm not trying to start a namecalling marathon. Just politely asking a question.
@nerblebun Haha, well apparently you think seeking the truth is a bad idea. You are scared that your batshit theory will be proven wrong. You disingenuous motherfuck. Not namecalling? Yeah, you just implied that I think seeking the truth is a bad idea. 9/11 hijackers are all dead. It just takes a little research to prove that!! There were a lot of people with the same names in the same countries. But with dipshit denialist assholes like you, it doesn't matter how loud you shout the truth.
@ssmith5342 Exactly where in my comment did you deduce I was siding with what you call truthers ? I politely asked a question about "truth" and you go on a tirade. Name calling is for frustrated children. Intelligent adults don't have to lower themselves. It's clear which catagory you fall into.
@nerblebun What I call truthers? Dude you guys refer to yourselves as truthers. Don't bullshit me. Also don't play the disingenuous dumb uncle with me. You are a dumbass skeptic of the official story for 9/11 and you know you fucking are. Why else bother to write a response asserting that I don't seek truth? I seek truth way more than you bastards. All you do is seek bullshit "evidence" to confirm your preexisting biases and delusions. Polite my ass. You infer that I am not seeking truth
@ssmith5342 if u DID believe in truth u would not yell so load... because u well know that you have been a dirty little country that needs a time out right now! deny if u will u only fool yourself... don't bother responding you "God bless Ameruuuuuca" bs... i'm as sick of hearing that shit, as i am sick of the fucking wars u keep crapping out of your oppressive assholes
@MrVeggie247 Whoa, my bit has nothing to do with patriotism and nothing to do with the US engaging in wars. Those are completely different subjects. But my bit has everything to do with debunking the stupid claim that 9/11 was an inside job, which it wasn't. 19 Arab hijackers were behind 9/11.
@ssmith5342 THEIR IS MORE PROVE THAT IT WAS ISREAL LATELY THEN THEIR WAS EVER PROOF IT WAS MUSLIMS!!! U DEMONIZE MUSLIMS SO YOU CAN JUSTIFY GOING AFTER THEIR OIL THE ONLY PERSON U FOOL IS U!!! STFU I'M NOT BUYING THAT WELL REHEARSED CORP. BS LIKE YOU DO! ASSHOLE
@MrVeggie247 You fucking dipshit! Show me any 'proof' you have that it is Israel. You have none. Well rehearsed corp. bs? You haven't even read it. There are thousands upon thousands of pages of evidence that the people involved were fifteen Saudis and a few other people from Arab countries. Secret conspiratorial Muslim organizations that plot terrorist acts do actually exist you dumb denialist piece of shit. Go fuck yourself in the ass, you paranoid bitch!
@ssmith5342 Just you wait u fucking ass! When the whole fucking corrupt government u got comes down on you hard its not gonna be my problem! Its gonna be your ass thats hung out to dry as if you were a jewish family in ww2! your SO blind, can't u see your no longer allowed to protest, they are going to IP PROTECT all of your internet AND soon u will lose your right to assembly! your a second rate citizen in you own country but... hey... be my guest if you think EVERYTHING IS FINE AND DANDY!
@MrVeggie247 I will bet you my life savings that the US government will never in my lifetime "come down on me hard." What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?? Are you suggesting that the US government is going to put in a concentration camp? Good god, you're so fucking paranoid you think every government official is equal to Hitler. Also how am I blind when I can't see something for which there is no evidence. You go back to your underground bunker now and hide from black helicopters!!!
@MrVeggie247 Yes go ahead and keep spouting your words, like any other american u sound rational behind a curtain of words like freedom but all u do is say one thing and do another and always forget or turn blind eyes to your own mischief! its not possible inside job? well i never said its the only possibility i just no longer believe in a report where 6 of the 8 professors have come forward they were set up to fail! u Probably have no knowledge of this???
@MrVeggie247 Where do u get your flawless info i wonder? fox news? or is it leftover spouting from the bush administration? All u ppl do is cover up and play saint :) who killed jfk? can u answer me that after years and years??? NO! ur all a laughable sack of useless misfits who meddle in afairs your mcdonald and american gladiator brains can't even grasp! You defy science with your first IN HISTORY skyscraper colapse by fire. Can u cut the bs plz? go anex some indians its all ur good at!!!
@MrVeggie247 I should ask you where you get your information from. Some conspiracy theory website like infowars or whatreallyhappened? Who killed JFK? Lee Harvey Oswald/single shooter. Where is the cover up? Where? You have no fucking evidence. All the evidence you claim to have is grossly misinterpreted. You accuse me of following news programs and propaganda blindly. No, I do my research and develop my own framework for how to understand things. You blindly accept propaganda.
@ssmith5342 NO you shut your mouth. Your a fucking idiot. There is so much evidence out there pointing to a cover up and conspiracy and you ask "where is the evidence"? "Where?" You wouldnt know evidence if it was biting you in the ass. That is why I must say in that guy Mr. Veggies defense that you are probably a dumber person than he is. I want to believe what you believe but I refuse to be played as a fool...that is because I am a man while you are just a full grown boy
@AntBanks2626 So I ask where the evidence is and you just yell insults at me??? But ya know, that is all 9/11 truthers are. They think that he who has the most evidence is he who talks the loudest. I don't know how many videos I have seen where some dumbass nutjob truther interrupts some conference by yelling a bunch of paranoid bullshit instead of engaging in serious discussion. And yet you people think he must be right because he is yelling the loudest. You fucking dipshit!
@ssmith5342 HAHAHA your a fucking tool bro...just google it and there are a number of credible news outlets reporting on the matter...OH YEAH , ONE MORE THING FOR YOUR STUPID INFERIOR BRAIN TO GRASP..THAT WHOLE MORE EVIDENCE THAN YOU THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT OUR COURT SYSTEM USES TO MAKE ITS DECISION. IF MY EVIDENCE IS MORE CONVINGCING THAN YOURS THEN THE JUDGE OR JURY DECIDES ON THE MATTER. ITS CALLED EVIDENCE. GET AN EDUCATION
@AntBanks2626 Hahaha. Laughing my ass off bro! You're such a pussy, good god. OK, the 'evidence' you truthers claim I guess could be called evidence. It is kind of like the evidence that someone might use to support the claim that the earth were flat. Things like "well it looks flat from on top of that hill" or "when I go out on the sea I can see more than 10 miles ahead of me." This so-called evidence that 9/11 is an inside job is easily blown out of the water by simple logic.
@AntBanks2626 Oh yeah, and as for getting an education...haha, I'm being told to get an education by a truther. You truthers are the fucking smuggest little shits ever known to humankind. I don't care if you have a goddamn PhD. If you are a truther, you are the most closed-minded paranoid idiotic piece of denialist fucking shit in the world. It is ironic that you assholes accuse people of blindly accepting mainstream information when you blindly accept anything on conspiracy theory websites.
@ssmith5342 I feel very sorry for those who accepted the 911 explanation. I mean really u don't find that to be an insult to your intelligence? WAKE UP!!! Why did building 7 fall? A few office fires really!!! And it also fell at the rate of free fall speed. I mean you have got to be one dumb ass to buy that story lol. And if you feel so strongly in your opinion than why are you in a forum which contradicts that. Go watch a 911 documentary or something and then come back and speak upon it!!!
@Amarius973 Good god, you stupid ass! The reasons for WTC7's collapse were taken as a given in the 9/11 commission report, so they didn't cover it. But independent writers have covered the reason for WTC7's fall over and over again. It is SEVERE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE (which you conveniently ignore) plus widespread fires. You're a fucking blind ass! You blindly and ignorantly believe anything you read or hear on conspiracy theory websites and stupid documentaries. You wake up, you sleeping drone!
@ssmith5342 You really believed that report!!! It was obvious that those involved had a lack of willingness to participate in the report plus there were so many holes in their version. You have made it very clear that you do not know your shit therefore you are just another lame ass with cyber balls only. I suggest you go and do some researching for your benefit. It just might help to make you sound less stupid than you make yourself sound.
@Amarius973 Oh I've done plenty of researching. You're the stupid blind idiot who accepts anything on conspiracy theory websites without bothering to do your own research. And you still ignore the structural damage to WTC7 caused by hundreds of thousands of pounds of debris flying into the building and hitting the central truss. You fucking dipshit! You smug asshole prick! Go hide in your underground bunker now so that the black helicopters don't find you, idiot!
@Amarius973 Also Stephen Jones, one of the leading 9/11 conspiracy theorists about WTC7, recently admitted that the building didn't fall at freefall speed of 6.5 seconds, but that it took about 13 seconds. He said, "we screwed up." So how do you feel now that I shot your dumb smug overconfident conspiracy theorist ass down huh? Get a fucking education
@AntBanks2626 The evidence is overwhelmingly in contradiction to what the mainstream media has been feeding you/me. Its not just a bunch of opinioned nobodies that have their opinions about the events of 911. Over 1,600 highly well educated professionals in their respective fields of architecture, controlled demolition, physics and such say that it is impossible for the buildings to have fallen at the rate of free fall speed!!! Science don't bullshit!!!
@AntBanks2626 The evidence is overwhelmingly in contradiction to what the mainstream media has been feeding you/me. Its not just a bunch of opinioned nobodies that have their opinions about the events of 911. Over 1,600 highly well educated professionals in their respective fields of architecture, controlled demolition, physics and such say that it is impossible for the buildings to have fallen at the rate of free fall speed!!! Science don't bullshit!!!
@MrVeggie247 You are the stupidest motherfucker alive. You think that the US is worst place on earth. Good god! We have free speech here and abide by the rule of law. If you don't believe, then try going and living in Congo or Somalia and tell me how you like it there. Even assholes like you have the right shout your crazy conspiracy theory bullshit all day long with no one censoring or gagging you. Alex Jones is one of the nuttiest bullshitters out there and he leads a free life in the US
@MrVeggie247 Also you oddly seem to think that I support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq simply because I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. Actually I never supported the war in Iraq and I currently support the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. You dumb cocksucker. You need to go fuck yourself in the ass. That way you'll loosen up your asshole so that shit comes out of there and not your fucking mouth. Dipshit!
@ssmith5342 whatever!!! just stop being so crazy and demented all the damn time and stop farting bombs left and right and u won't hear from me! ALSO wtf are u assholes up to now with this IP protect bs?!? i swear to god if u guy's pass that bs i'ma come over their and make your lives a living hell of insults and mockery! u hear me?!
Respond to this video... Also, on the name-calling bit. There is absolutely no other way to engage you assholes in discussion. The idea that 9/11 was an inside job has been shot down repeatedly by official and independent scholars. There is overwhelming evidence that the government's version is true. This can found everywhere. No matter how much evidence the gov. produces you denialist pricks will continue to deny the obvious and pollute people's minds with your shit. So go fucketh thyself.
@ssmith5342 do you have a soul ? How can you insult everyone you come across ? Does this stuff really scare you and so you act out with venom towards anyone who's beliefs might shatter the delusions you feed yourself to feel safe ? It's a sad thing , your the one person who stands out on here as an abusive , hateful person. On the other hand I see others on here can put u in your place, its not hard.
@bellamina1000 No I don't insult everyone I come across, just stupid nutjob conspiracy theorists. Good god, you little conspiracy bitch thinking that I am scared by claims for which there is no evidence. It is like being scared by the magic spaghetti monster in the sky. You create this delusional world in your heads where evil people occupy every position of power imaginable. The worst thing you idiot fuckers do is create paranoia and fear and make the world increasingly irrational.
@bellamina1000 Oh yeah, it is not hard to put me in my place??? Try me, whore. Let's see you provide some evidence for the bullshit assclown claims that you support. Bring it, bitch.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
If NORAD was told to “stand down” how do you explain F-15 fighters ordered to intercept the high-jacked planes 6 minutes after WTC 1 was hit?
How can Dick Cheney order NORAD to “stand down” if he was never in charge of NORAD?
If WTC 7 was destroyed via controlled demolition, how do you explain firefighters predicting the building's collapse 3 hours before the actual collapse?
when the tower started to crumble the t v antenna fell inside the building making it obvious the building had collapsed from the middle,not from the impact of the aircraft .if the side of the building where the aircraft had hit collapsed first,the top of the building would have collapsed to the side .there is also another just recently with Gadaffi ..when Gadaffi was found dead he was on t v almost instantly yet, the world has still to see the proof of bin ladens death .what is going on???
This David Ray Griffin was a prof of Philosophy of Religion and Theology. Not exactly the kind of person I would want to talk to about construction or destruction. And to top it off he has only read books written by other conspiracy theorist. So he is just spewing back what ever they said. Give me a break.
@drifter01z So refute his claims directly and specifically. Your attack style is called "ad hominem" by the way, and its cheap and sleazy. However, I guess this means you believe Richard Gage when he talks about construction and demolition, right?
@quarkmuffin37 No, I don't agree with Richard Gage. That's what this guy is running on about. There isn't enough evidence to support a controled demolition. The vast majority of architechs and engineers completely disagree with Gage's theories almost to the point of shunning him. If the buildings used explosives or incendiaries at the point of impact, which is where the collapse began, they would have been set off by the airplane collision and the insuing fireball.
@quarkmuffin37 The building would have come down much much sooner it that were the case. The controled demolition has too many holes in it to be feasible. If these people would look at given photographs and videos of the footage of WTC 7 you will see the southeast corner begin to fall in first, that massive pull to the interior began to pull the steel network to the rest of the building down as it went causing the "collapse into it's own footprint." There were no explosive charges set off.
A classless,moneyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
@arzoyan Oh please. Grow up. Capitalism is as fair and balanced as any system to date can get. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS ECONOMIC EQUALITY. You're denying hard working, innovative individuals their right to drive humanity and evolution forward by dragging them down to mediocrity. You're a communist and you're Un American.
@WallStwizkid Well, for sure you have grown up and aping your OWNERS in distorting and devaluing all and everything. Your little ego is driven by walt disney fairy tale .
@arzoyan There's no point in trying to discuss this with you because you're trapped inside this conspiracy theorist matrix that has you believing these theories are fact. It's like trying to get a point across to somebody heavily under the influence of drugs. The only thing I don't understand is, the way you people accept these concepts and how long it took for each, on average, to accept them. They ask you to question information put out on different news outlets, but not their own.
@WallStwizkid I won't go nuts with facts and start going off on different subjects until you get a chance to rebuttal.. It gets annoying when people do that.
@arzoyan Do you even know what parroting means? Obviously not. It's called experience. That's what I gained after 8 years in finance, 4 years of college for it, an 1.5 years on Wall St. at 30 years old. Get a job.
I just want everybody to see how my points are illustrated by the simple attack style the truthers employ. James3243 did what the others do, bombard me with messages, cyber attack style, that he was obviously copying and pasting. I started answering immediately, so you can't say he wasn't at the computer. You also can't say he types at the speed of sound, so we know he was obviously cutting and pasting. No rebuttal, just another truther parrot. Pathetic. You guys- grow up. You're not James Bond.
@WallStwizkid haha um... First off , it's NEAR free fall speed. Also, please explain multi-ton pools of molten lava found under each WTC 6 weeks after the 3 towers were pulverized. That is COMPLETELY un-explainable considering FEMA and NIST have the hottest temperatures 1000 degrees COOLER than the melting point of steel.
@WallStwizkid The "outer- perimeter walls" were made from STEEL and were welded AND bolted to the floor and ceiling joists, which were welded and bolted to the 47 concrete reinforced steel columns. It's called a tube structure. And a plane flying into it is like poking a pencil through a screen door.
@WallStwizkid As well... ALL 3 WTCs were damaged in COMPLETELY different spots, knocking COMPLETELY different columns and joists, yet they fell in EXACTLY the same fashion. And how about WTC 7??? haha that thing fell so perfectly that THE TOP DEMOLITION EXPERT IN EUROPE SAYS IN NO WAY COULD IT BE CAUSED BY FIRE.
Oh and by the way, that top control demolition expert was killed.
@james3244 I don't care what NIST said. This isn't a multiple choice test where, if I don't agree with the report, it has to be a conspiracy. That's not how it works, and I'm almost certain you didn't read and/or understand the full report. As far as CD goes, you're the one that's missing it. If CD was used there would be wires, cords found in the debris, and usually wrapped around chunks of debris. You can't get rid of that stuff. I can't talk about this right now.
@WallStwizkid Actually, there's a thing called remote detonators and if you'll be so kind to watch a video with an expert in CD talk about it, you'll find it's very possible and these devices get completely destroyed when used. Sorry man. I'm also sorry about work, I actually didn't catch that. My apologies. Also, jet fuel is a hydro-carbon and can't burn past a certain temperature. Yes, the steel was weakened, but 95% of the building remained structurally in tact.
@WallStwizkid The "pancake collapse" theory was dis-proven long ago and Pop Mech knows it's impossible for that to have happened. It's time to get real.
@james3244 Sorry..I meant to say..they wouldn't be able to torch and drill to the outer perimeter columns without a lot of obnoxious noise. But anyway, I shouldn't get into this, I'll respond to your comments later this evening.
@WallStwizkid One more quick thing....The best case pro-government supporters have is "how could so many people be involved"....It's not what you think. They used a tactic called "compartmentalization". The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It's like the DEVER AIRPORT.
Multiple designers and builders were hired to build the airport, but they were only to build one part of it and NOONE knew what they other plans looked like.
@WallStwizkid I quite understand what NIST, FEMA, and the 9/11 commission report says. I have been researching 9/11 while getting my Bachelor's of Architecture. I am in your time zone, but I actually have a job looking after my friend who was hit by a drunk driver and now has brain damage. So, in turn, I work from home because my friend needs me.
@james3244 Oh okay...the time on the messages must either be inaccurate or it was sent late. I don't see how a team of ghost ninjas could rig the towers. Maybe the core columns but they wouldn't be able to torch and drill to the outer perimeter columns with obnoxious noise. Plus, you'd have to believe the hundreds of workers would have to be "in on it". It's inconceivable to me. Another point I skimmed over is the screen door comment. A comm. Jet typical travels 4-500mph..pen through a screen?
Indeed a pencil through a screen door. You should listen to the Lead Structural Engineer (LSE) of the WTCs talk about how they should have withstood MULTIPLE aircraft and were designed to do so. And don't give me it was designed for a 707. It is heavier and almost has the same cruising speed as a 767. Once again, the building were shut down for "security reasons" multiple times before 9/11 and they had THE BIGGEST ELEVATOR UPGRADE IN HISTORY. Who's in charge of security? ....Marvin Bush
@james3244 Last comment I'll make for now...I'd seriously recommend you looking into these supposed shut downs for security reasons. There's no way the World Trade Center can just shut down man. The NY cotton exchange was in there as well as a main commodity futures exchange...I'm telling you dude..this is my area that I'm employed in. They can't just cancel trading like that.
@WallStwizkid No no, they shut down several "perimeters" at a time. Your right, that would be impossible to shut down the whole damn building, never-mind the complex.
@james3244 Only thing that can really be checked is historical data relative to volume, volatility, prices etc. Can't check performance reports and account statements, and most importantly, can not identify individual trading strategies. For instance, I could employ an option spread say, two days before the attack, consisting of both puts and calls, and you can turn around and say I purchased put options..but that's very misleading and out of context. But I'd be innocent and accused.
@WallStwizkid Man... A german company was used to back-up alllll the WTC's data and hard-drives. They have ALL the information and have informed the FBI publicly. To this day, the FBI has done NOTHING.
I'm not talking out of my ass. In fact, I used to believe 19 hijackers did this.
@james3244 I can just about assure you dude, it's well past the point in time where banks and firms out here would be required to have those records readily accessible. Plus they'd have to be hidden from all disclosure documents signed and filed, considering past performance results are a crucial part of the document. We have to show a variety of different expressions like peak-to-valley for past 3 years and current YTD, monthly drawdowns, net asset changes, withdrawals, redemption's etc.
@james3244 There's no way they have back ups from a decade ago or even have the space for it. It's possible, but until you can verify it, it's a rumor. Anyway..I'll look into these links later on..have a good day for now.
@WallStwizkid Wow man.. please look into it.. They knew of the insider trading directly after it happened.. not 10 years from then (now)...."The trades are called "puts" and they involved at least 450,000 shares of American. But what raised the red flag is more than 80 percent of the orders were "puts", far outnumbering "call" options, those betting the stock would rise. "
@james3244 Hmm..greatly outnumbered the calls at the beginning of the 4th quarter you say...interesting. Ironically we're talking about this and there's been a lot of buzz this week about AMR Corp is filing for bankruptcy. American Airlines being their subsidiary. We actually saw AMR Corp shares close at 1.98 a few days ago. Anyway...as interesting as it sounds..it's still a rumor because the grapevine is very long and prone to manipulation..but I'll look into this stuff later this evening.
@WallStwizkid There is no "grapevine" or rumours. This is fact and is documented. By the way you are talking, you clearly haven't looked into any of the insider trading.
@james3244 I told you I didn't look into it and I also told you I can't now nor can I verify any claims. In fact, it's really not terribly suspicious considering the summer was ending and the 3rd quarter was wrapping up..in regards to the airline puts. Again though, I'll get back to you.
@WallStwizkid Please do because although I like the way your thinking and not just believing what I say, your points in this situation are completely irrelevant.
@james3244 Of course there's a grapevine, there's probably moredaily rumors on Wall St. than any other place on the planet. As far as mainstream/alternative media goes...that's not even anything to consider..there's so much gossip who the hell knows how much illegitimate rumors we've heard being presented as news. I'll catch you later.
@WallStwizkid Ugh we are talking about insider trading right now. Everything you just said makes absolutely no sense. These aren't rumours, they are facts--such as gravity. Indisputable facts.
@james3244 How is "everything I was saying makes absolutely no sense" when I was discussing revenue structures and transactional reporting regulations that we have to be in compliance with? Unless you could methodically break down how these regulations were manipulated, it's a rumor. It's that simple. I said I'd watch your link, so I will now. But I'm telling you, I said many times news shows and reports do not make something "an indisputable fact like gravity", which was a theory till tested.
@WallStwizkid you have to change the * after youtube to a (period) because youtube doesn't allow you to paste links. After you watch this news special, you'll have a better understanding.
@james3244 Yeah no kidding. I just told you that I don't know where it screwed up but I tried a few possibilities. Obviously the period was the first one I attempted. Doesn't work man, just tell me what to put in the search please.
@james3244 The Secretary of the Treasury at the time said "It would take going through 10 veils before getting to the source." "The trades were made from all around the world." "Measures have been taken to prevent anyone from inside the U.S. to profit off of the deaths." "The trail could lead to the terrorists." None of those statements coincide with what you're claiming, and even if they did, it's not an indisputable fact. In fact, it really doesn't matter where the volume came from.
@james3244 Doesn't really matter where the volume came from, that doesn't even prove if they were carrying the account to begin with. My firm introduces many trades and accounts on a daily basis to our clearing member firm, who in turn accepts the actual funds (no omnibus accounts permitted when they clear trades for my firm), and then deposits the necessary funds with the clearing house. This is usually a very quick process. This is also only one particular arrangement..there are many.
@james3244 Very dangerous jumping to conclusions with the amount of limited information available, as I said prior to even watching the video you linked. It clearly stated the pending investigation at the time that I'm sure the options exchange in Chicago, the U.S. Treasury, and even the SEC participated in. If that's all you got then no, that is not an indisputable fact like gravity. Not even close.
@WallStwizkid We haven't even scratched the surface. One of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency. Until 1997 A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997.
@WallStwizkid Krongard's last position at Banker's Trust (BT) was to oversee "private client relations". In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.
@james3244 I know all about the Bankers Trust building, it's located right next to ground zero. That $2.5 million return on equity was unclaimed because the SEC along with the U.S. Treasury made sure nobody profited from the deaths. That was stated specifically in the video you sent. Is it suspicious that large bets were made in favor of declining share prices for Airline stock using put options at the end of the 3rd quarter? Yes and no. The timing of the trade initiations is obviously cnt..
@james3244 Is obviously going to raise eyebrows. Does this mean central intelligence along with other agencies were aware of the threat? I don't think anybody out there is going to say they didn't, including myself. However, hijacking planes and using them as guided missiles was one of many threats that were flooding the communications and intelligence prior to the attack. They do this to try to cause confusion and panic, which was clearly illustrated the morning of the attack.
@james3244 However, all this proves is unethical behavior on behalf of, so far, one individual you named. Obviously administrative agencies regulating Finance with delegated power from the U.S. Congress along with the U.S. Treasury made sure no profit taking occurred on some of those trades. Simply put, if that information is true, it was in very poor taste. It's not proof of a vast conspiracy, and it's certainly not grounds to jump to conclusions and make accusations of high treason/genocide.
@james3244 Keep in mind...when it comes to the insider trading issues..I don't need to debunk them beyond all doubt like I did when we were discussing the physics and structural/geo-technical engineering aspects of the collapse. All I have to do is poke enough holes in these claims to show there as a lot of room to doubt it. It's a very serious charge, the highest criminal charge you are making accusations about.
@WallStwizkid About time I deal with someone with a brain. These "coincidences" become rather large when seeing the big picture. I'm all about discussing the physics and complete structural dismemberment and pulverization of three, 400 000+ ton WTC buildings. I went to school to know how and why buildings work- and then design them. Granted, it IS quite different than engineering-- I am well aware and capable of the math and physics involved.
@WallStwizkid And you don't need to be an architect or engineer to know that multi-ton pools of molten metal under the 3 WTC complexes were in existence for over 6 weeks, seen by the fire-fighters and rescuers themselves. That is impossible because the temperatures in the HOTTEST of the fires were about 1000dF BELOW the melting point of steel. This is where I'd like to show you the video of the controlled demolition expert who talks about remote charges and thermite.
@james3244 Nobody ever said the steel melted. There's been demonstrations showing, if you burn steel long enough, it will eventually lose it's support and fail. As far as the math goes, I already showed my calculations relative to the fall of the collapse. It was not free fall speed and did not defy any science. It's silly to talk about variables we can't account for. There were high powered generators blowing up, aluminum from the planes..lots of stuff in those buildings.
@WallStwizkid Ughh.. see, that's the problem. IT WAS STEEL THAT MELTED. There are MANY samples that were taken from hardened multi-ton POOLS of it. And guess what else they found. Thermite.
"Silly to talk about variables we can't account for?" What variables? We know exactly what the buildings were made of and how they were constructed. We know exactly what the planes were made out of and how much they weighed.
@james3244 Of course there are missing variables. You can't account for everything inside those buildings. It's silly to think papers and office supplies were the only combustible materials inside 1300 foot skyscrapers. The steel didn't melt. It still lost at least 50% of its support. Tell me what it takes to melt steel?? They lit up 175 pounds of thermite on a steel column which didn't cause a dent. None of the "conspiracy" videos offer any demonstrations..why is that?
What are you even saying?? Combustable ISN'T molten metal. There were multiple tons of LIQUID METAL found under buildings 1, 2 & 7. Actually this was a Class A building (might be different in America). There are limitations to what objects can be put into the design-- such as generators and propane (for the kitchens). So yes, these are entered into the equation. They are not variables. And besides that fact, only 3-4 floors were "critically" damaged. This is only 2% of the structural integrity.
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what do you say about the event if you look at the official story that day by day becomes one big hilarious joke to say words like facts and evidence ......the magical supernatural crew that did all those unexplaneble things and make buildings to dust ..and some get away living and well
without a scrats .that is a mastermind after all that can have such a crew out of caves with that kind of superpowers
dennisjo88 2 days ago
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dennisjo88 2 days ago
It's called JEWS did it!
Thelovelychristinaa 1 week ago 2
@Thelovelychristinaa when you say jews did it, you make yourself sound like a racist(not saying you are) technically you are correct in the respect that a lot of high ranking members are jewish, but NOT EVERY JEW is responsible, let us have some respect for the Holocaust!
thepossessor 5 days ago
u r a tube troll not a engineer/physicist. Ae911truth. science beats dumb kids below
Headshothorror4488 3 weeks ago
What a joke. So , so your saying in one of the most horrible elaborate events of modern society all the good people in government and their agencies did nothing. They shut their eyes and turned their backs and allowed your so called hoax to happen, ummm I don't think so . Oh yes and all this so called undeniable evidence is now rallying all the good people in our world to hit the streets in unprecedented numbers to protest and demand the truth . The world is watching. I don't think so.
iuseutubeoften 3 weeks ago
@iuseutubeoften No, one of the good ones like Barry Jennings who was to testify to his eyewitness account of bombs exploding in WTC7 before the collapse and other incriminating facts, was murdered the day before. Another, FEMA photographer Kurt Sonnenfeld, who saved photos of the vault bombed and robbed before the towers collapsed as well as evidence of demolition and coverup of evidence,is threatened and harassed by the government so cannot return to the land of the free or he may will be too.
2012newrevolution 3 days ago
Washington Post = Zionist NewsPaper. Beware!!
408Magenta 3 weeks ago
Anyone with a little brain knows that 9/11 was a real hoax because the version of the US Administrations did not make any sense and did not fit the spectrum .
strongfoot2009 3 weeks ago
Hitler always said the bigger the lie the more people will believe it...I only agree these words not his message
MrBrokenedition 3 weeks ago
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The_Craven Joseph Goebbels quote
wharfdaddy 3 weeks ago
Who REALLY runs our world? search "israel Did 911" and search "ZionCrimeFactory" for proof.
"US Rep. McKinney has accused the pro-Israel Lobby in America (AIPAC, ADL, etc) for ruining her political career.She refused to sign the pro-Israel pledge from Congress and took a pro-Palestinian stance. Because of this, she said “war was declared” on her by them. In 2009 she told TIU's Ognir that “more than 99% of Congress work for Zionist-Israeli interests.”
w(dot)zioncrimefactory com/jew-world-order
LordLindsey12 3 weeks ago
9-11 was not the first time the U. S. murdered its own people to start an unprovoked war. This is an old school trick going back to the 1800. Can anyone tell me when the U. S. LOADED a passenger ship with explosives and civilians stered the ship into enemy waters and blew up every one on board. However the captain mysteriously survived. A hint for you. The true facts of this incident are not written in your local history book. If you do research you will realize the American government has
SupperStu72 1 month ago
9/11 was 100% an inside job,.to avoid awnsering even 1 of thousands of unawserable questions is to call it a conspiracy.Its the only way for the criminals of this fauls flag to avoid talking about it,and the only reson is they no its ionpossible to defend the facts tyhat prove 100% it was an insiode job.The people sleaping need to wakle up and do some reaserch on possibly the most important thing ever in humain history.
jennifer32399 1 month ago
wow....people are soooooo silly....9/11 was not a hoax. it was a freaken attack. theres no new world order. and obama is not osama bin laden....and the reason why tower 7 was imploaded is because it was going to be destroyed either way when the towers went down. so they evacuated tower 7 before they imploaded the building....
robertmosesiscool 1 month ago
@robertmosesiscool sorry noone believes you
sexymalcom1970 1 month ago
@robertmosesiscool you are more than a little stupid sonny ,if u r correct ,and building 7 was brought down demolition was carried out so quickly it is imposssible without prior knowledge of some incident ,A building of that size is NOT brought down so quickly ,its about oil ,money ,greed ,and further control of the region ,yes it was an attack ,an attack on my and your freedom ,wake up and just look where were going .its not wholly your fault you seem stupid ,you are genuinely brainwashed
madsadchloe 1 month ago
@robertmosesiscool Yep there is no New World Order. Thank you for your intellect.
/watch?v=OxPYa5mVlYU&feature=related
triathlete007 1 month ago
@robertmosesiscool <=== LOL! Blind, deaf and REALLY dumb.
By the way, I know that you're just a 16 year old child that knows nothing, but please tell us all what scientific evidence that you disagree with.
tomperanteau 1 month ago
738 Terrorist approves, And 60 9/11 victems Disapprove Thumbs up?
datkid56 1 month ago
Over 100,000 Americans were involved in the Manhattan Project to build the first A-bombs. Not one of them "leaked" a single thing. So it's simply ignorant to claim that a 9/11 conspiracy couldn't be kept secret.
Dionysos37 1 month ago
@Dionysos37
Cool story bro, but I dont believe you.
DarkosApprentice 1 month ago
@DarkosApprentice What's not to believe?
Dionysos37 1 month ago
@Dionysos37
I don't believe your conspiracy theories, I know for a fact that islam is to blame for 9/11. Nobody in the U.S is to blame that's just muslim propoganda trying to take the blame away from them. Blame islam
DarkosApprentice 1 month ago
@DarkosApprentice I didn't give you a conspiracy theory. You "know for a fact that Islam is to blame"? HOW, exactly? Why don't you make some world news and tell us how you know this for a FACT? We'll be glad to know about it. If you can't do that, I'll just assume that your mind and character are too small and weak to accept any blame elsewhere.
Dionysos37 1 month ago 2
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wmansue 1 month ago
BULLSHIT
TheResidentSkeptic 2 months ago
@TheResidentSkeptic Yap Bullshit
MrTejadamr 1 month ago
@TheResidentSkeptic Wow, what a scientific response. Did you come up with that tripe all on your own?
tomperanteau 1 month ago
@tomperanteau Cool story bro, I heard you like Mudkips.
TheResidentSkeptic 1 month ago
"Pakistan blocked vital supply routes for U.S.-led troops in Afghanistan on Saturday after coalition helicopters and fighter jets allegedly killed 24 Pakistani troops at two posts along a mountainous frontier that serves as a safe haven for militants. The incident was a major blow to American efforts to rebuild an already tattered alliance vital to winding down the 10-year-old Afghan war."
Sane world we live in.
Bush said that the hijackers put explosives in Towers: /watch?v=Z1DEZZACVnI
amamerc 2 months ago
@amamerc It's also a conspiracy theory to question video footage of some object that clearly looks more like a missile than a plane hitting the Pentagon.
Sanity says that if 3 steel-framed buildings (one of which was never hit by a plane) collapse at nearly free fall speed due to fire on the same day, a completely unprecedented an inexplicable horror, then it's the dirty evil Muslims who did it.
Sanity says that the government always tells the truth, never lies, and is 100% good.
amamerc 2 months ago
@amamerc Well put!
verbalswordsman 1 month ago
@amamerc
5 buildings collapsed that day. maybe you should stop watching propaganda tv. dumb sheep
taledarkside 1 month ago
WTC 7 was not explained because it was a given??????? And prof. Jones never said that. You come on here and scream at people saying they believe everything they see on the internet, then push a blogger as "proof" hahahaha what a tool.......
kenn0804 2 months ago
NFL twin RB Tiki Barber was in the last NFL game before 9/11 on Monday, 9/10/01 recording 10 carries for 28 yards when his New York Giants lost at the Denver Broncos 20-31. Was 9/11 foretold in adult feature “Mo’ Diggity” (with cHE VAUGHN; Qatier) four years earlier? “Twin” guys getting high-rise hotel busy before a skyline view as the radio ad says: “Game pieces available until APRIL 7, 1997”—a 22nd birthday for Tiki & Ronde Barber and 12 days before they were selected in the 1997 NFL Draft
GWhiz99 2 months ago
you poor, deluded idiots
ItWasTyped. com - all your silly little theories debunked one at a time
culturebully3 2 months ago
They need to remove everyone and anyone who has anything to do with the government. Then start off clean. Let the people actually select the president and start investigating this whole "war on terror". We stick pretty labels on everything and spend money on bullets not food. My concern isn't now, my concern is the future how many more lives will be taken, from both sides?
nvr4getnnvr4give 2 months ago
• 9/11 was a very serious crime & it has changed the world. WE must find out who were responsible for all American victims of 9/11and those victims killed abroad. Then punish them accordingly. A fully independent 9/11 commission should be set up to reinvestigate this unresolved complicated vicious crime because it has too many questions unanswered. This horrified tragic event should never & would never go away until we find the whole truth.
plau0088 2 months ago
@plau0088 I hate to break the news to you, but we found out who was responsible. It was 19 Arab hijackers commissioned by al-Qaeda to crash planes into the buildings. The US has done their best to punish those responsible. There was a 9/11 commission and they published a long detailed report. If they haven't answered questions, myriad academic studies have given well-evidenced answers to questions. Despite all of the evidence, there are many denialists who will deny the sun while staring at it.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
Anyone believing a Japanese opposition party member has to have their head seriously examined. What did it say in front of his name - Dr.?
Tsnore 2 months ago
Bogus story. The 9/11 hijackers listed were the correct ones. They are all dead.
Don't the believe the fucking bullshit that comes out of truthers' asses. Fuck truthers!
ssmith5342 3 months ago
@ssmith5342 and may I ask you, how you know it? maybe you were among them and you are also dead and writing from the hell?
ahmedovahmed 3 months ago
@ahmedovahmed Dude there are a lot of people with the same name who claimed that they were misidentified or victims of identity theft. Some media mistakenly seized on it only to find out that they were wrong. Numerous interviews, largely done by independent private media, with family and friends of the hijackers confirm the official accounts. The Saudi government confirms that 15 of the 19 hijackers were indeed Saudi. Don't be a dumbass, dumbass.
ssmith5342 3 months ago
@ssmith5342 first, you are prove to be a dumbass, by referring to the Saudi government. What a trustful source, OMG! Saudi government confirmed ! :) haha dumbass!
ahmedovahmed 3 months ago
@ahmedovahmed Fucking paranoid truther. You're just as much of a smug prick as the rest of them. Why would governments want to claim their own as part of a terrorist attack? Ever ask yourself that? Who's the dumbass now, dumbass. Go fuck yourself.
ssmith5342 3 months ago
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@ssmith5342 911 was an inside job indeed...
zelenko2 3 months ago
@ssmith5342 what a stupid Sam you are... If you knew that most governments are just puppets of the US and are willing to do whatever to keep their kingdom alive, you wouldn't write like that. the US and the Saudis have a trillion dollar trade going on, why the fuck they would care if they claim their own as a terrorist or as innocent?
ahmedovahmed 3 months ago
@ahmedovahmed Puppets? Yeah hardly. It was hard enough for the US to persuade the Saudis to use their ground for troops in the Gulf Wars. It seems like it is the other way around. The Saudis have the US on a string. They get away with so much shit. Oh yeah, and why would any country want to claim that their citizens were involved in terrorist attacks against another country. It has the potential to damage their relations and that multi-billion dollar trade deal
ssmith5342 3 months ago
@ssmith5342 news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm
ahmedovahmed 3 months ago
@ahmedovahmed Uh, yeah, the link doesn't work. Anyhow I have read the BBC news story about how the hijackers are alive. It turns they're wrong, and they later admit it. I find it ironic that truthers tend to question BBC because they reported the collapse of WTC7 early. Yet they point to BBC as a beacon of truth on the hijackers being alive bullshit. God good, I mean, Jesus Christ, you guys are all delusional cunts.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 Sir, do you really think seeking the truth is a bad idea ? If so,please explain your reasoning. I'm not trying to start a namecalling marathon. Just politely asking a question.
nerblebun 2 months ago
@nerblebun Haha, well apparently you think seeking the truth is a bad idea. You are scared that your batshit theory will be proven wrong. You disingenuous motherfuck. Not namecalling? Yeah, you just implied that I think seeking the truth is a bad idea. 9/11 hijackers are all dead. It just takes a little research to prove that!! There were a lot of people with the same names in the same countries. But with dipshit denialist assholes like you, it doesn't matter how loud you shout the truth.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 Exactly where in my comment did you deduce I was siding with what you call truthers ? I politely asked a question about "truth" and you go on a tirade. Name calling is for frustrated children. Intelligent adults don't have to lower themselves. It's clear which catagory you fall into.
nerblebun 2 months ago
@nerblebun What I call truthers? Dude you guys refer to yourselves as truthers. Don't bullshit me. Also don't play the disingenuous dumb uncle with me. You are a dumbass skeptic of the official story for 9/11 and you know you fucking are. Why else bother to write a response asserting that I don't seek truth? I seek truth way more than you bastards. All you do is seek bullshit "evidence" to confirm your preexisting biases and delusions. Polite my ass. You infer that I am not seeking truth
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 if u DID believe in truth u would not yell so load... because u well know that you have been a dirty little country that needs a time out right now! deny if u will u only fool yourself... don't bother responding you "God bless Ameruuuuuca" bs... i'm as sick of hearing that shit, as i am sick of the fucking wars u keep crapping out of your oppressive assholes
MrVeggie247 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 Whoa, my bit has nothing to do with patriotism and nothing to do with the US engaging in wars. Those are completely different subjects. But my bit has everything to do with debunking the stupid claim that 9/11 was an inside job, which it wasn't. 19 Arab hijackers were behind 9/11.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 THEIR IS MORE PROVE THAT IT WAS ISREAL LATELY THEN THEIR WAS EVER PROOF IT WAS MUSLIMS!!! U DEMONIZE MUSLIMS SO YOU CAN JUSTIFY GOING AFTER THEIR OIL THE ONLY PERSON U FOOL IS U!!! STFU I'M NOT BUYING THAT WELL REHEARSED CORP. BS LIKE YOU DO! ASSHOLE
MrVeggie247 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 You fucking dipshit! Show me any 'proof' you have that it is Israel. You have none. Well rehearsed corp. bs? You haven't even read it. There are thousands upon thousands of pages of evidence that the people involved were fifteen Saudis and a few other people from Arab countries. Secret conspiratorial Muslim organizations that plot terrorist acts do actually exist you dumb denialist piece of shit. Go fuck yourself in the ass, you paranoid bitch!
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 Just you wait u fucking ass! When the whole fucking corrupt government u got comes down on you hard its not gonna be my problem! Its gonna be your ass thats hung out to dry as if you were a jewish family in ww2! your SO blind, can't u see your no longer allowed to protest, they are going to IP PROTECT all of your internet AND soon u will lose your right to assembly! your a second rate citizen in you own country but... hey... be my guest if you think EVERYTHING IS FINE AND DANDY!
MrVeggie247 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 I will bet you my life savings that the US government will never in my lifetime "come down on me hard." What the fuck is that even supposed to mean?? Are you suggesting that the US government is going to put in a concentration camp? Good god, you're so fucking paranoid you think every government official is equal to Hitler. Also how am I blind when I can't see something for which there is no evidence. You go back to your underground bunker now and hide from black helicopters!!!
ssmith5342 2 months ago
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MrVeggie247 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 Yes go ahead and keep spouting your words, like any other american u sound rational behind a curtain of words like freedom but all u do is say one thing and do another and always forget or turn blind eyes to your own mischief! its not possible inside job? well i never said its the only possibility i just no longer believe in a report where 6 of the 8 professors have come forward they were set up to fail! u Probably have no knowledge of this???
MrVeggie247 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 Where do u get your flawless info i wonder? fox news? or is it leftover spouting from the bush administration? All u ppl do is cover up and play saint :) who killed jfk? can u answer me that after years and years??? NO! ur all a laughable sack of useless misfits who meddle in afairs your mcdonald and american gladiator brains can't even grasp! You defy science with your first IN HISTORY skyscraper colapse by fire. Can u cut the bs plz? go anex some indians its all ur good at!!!
MrVeggie247 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 I should ask you where you get your information from. Some conspiracy theory website like infowars or whatreallyhappened? Who killed JFK? Lee Harvey Oswald/single shooter. Where is the cover up? Where? You have no fucking evidence. All the evidence you claim to have is grossly misinterpreted. You accuse me of following news programs and propaganda blindly. No, I do my research and develop my own framework for how to understand things. You blindly accept propaganda.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 NO you shut your mouth. Your a fucking idiot. There is so much evidence out there pointing to a cover up and conspiracy and you ask "where is the evidence"? "Where?" You wouldnt know evidence if it was biting you in the ass. That is why I must say in that guy Mr. Veggies defense that you are probably a dumber person than he is. I want to believe what you believe but I refuse to be played as a fool...that is because I am a man while you are just a full grown boy
AntBanks2626 2 months ago
@AntBanks2626 So I ask where the evidence is and you just yell insults at me??? But ya know, that is all 9/11 truthers are. They think that he who has the most evidence is he who talks the loudest. I don't know how many videos I have seen where some dumbass nutjob truther interrupts some conference by yelling a bunch of paranoid bullshit instead of engaging in serious discussion. And yet you people think he must be right because he is yelling the loudest. You fucking dipshit!
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 HAHAHA your a fucking tool bro...just google it and there are a number of credible news outlets reporting on the matter...OH YEAH , ONE MORE THING FOR YOUR STUPID INFERIOR BRAIN TO GRASP..THAT WHOLE MORE EVIDENCE THAN YOU THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT OUR COURT SYSTEM USES TO MAKE ITS DECISION. IF MY EVIDENCE IS MORE CONVINGCING THAN YOURS THEN THE JUDGE OR JURY DECIDES ON THE MATTER. ITS CALLED EVIDENCE. GET AN EDUCATION
AntBanks2626 2 months ago
@AntBanks2626 Hahaha. Laughing my ass off bro! You're such a pussy, good god. OK, the 'evidence' you truthers claim I guess could be called evidence. It is kind of like the evidence that someone might use to support the claim that the earth were flat. Things like "well it looks flat from on top of that hill" or "when I go out on the sea I can see more than 10 miles ahead of me." This so-called evidence that 9/11 is an inside job is easily blown out of the water by simple logic.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@AntBanks2626 Oh yeah, and as for getting an education...haha, I'm being told to get an education by a truther. You truthers are the fucking smuggest little shits ever known to humankind. I don't care if you have a goddamn PhD. If you are a truther, you are the most closed-minded paranoid idiotic piece of denialist fucking shit in the world. It is ironic that you assholes accuse people of blindly accepting mainstream information when you blindly accept anything on conspiracy theory websites.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 I feel very sorry for those who accepted the 911 explanation. I mean really u don't find that to be an insult to your intelligence? WAKE UP!!! Why did building 7 fall? A few office fires really!!! And it also fell at the rate of free fall speed. I mean you have got to be one dumb ass to buy that story lol. And if you feel so strongly in your opinion than why are you in a forum which contradicts that. Go watch a 911 documentary or something and then come back and speak upon it!!!
Amarius973 2 months ago
@Amarius973 Good god, you stupid ass! The reasons for WTC7's collapse were taken as a given in the 9/11 commission report, so they didn't cover it. But independent writers have covered the reason for WTC7's fall over and over again. It is SEVERE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE (which you conveniently ignore) plus widespread fires. You're a fucking blind ass! You blindly and ignorantly believe anything you read or hear on conspiracy theory websites and stupid documentaries. You wake up, you sleeping drone!
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 You really believed that report!!! It was obvious that those involved had a lack of willingness to participate in the report plus there were so many holes in their version. You have made it very clear that you do not know your shit therefore you are just another lame ass with cyber balls only. I suggest you go and do some researching for your benefit. It just might help to make you sound less stupid than you make yourself sound.
Amarius973 2 months ago
@Amarius973 Oh I've done plenty of researching. You're the stupid blind idiot who accepts anything on conspiracy theory websites without bothering to do your own research. And you still ignore the structural damage to WTC7 caused by hundreds of thousands of pounds of debris flying into the building and hitting the central truss. You fucking dipshit! You smug asshole prick! Go hide in your underground bunker now so that the black helicopters don't find you, idiot!
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@Amarius973 Also Stephen Jones, one of the leading 9/11 conspiracy theorists about WTC7, recently admitted that the building didn't fall at freefall speed of 6.5 seconds, but that it took about 13 seconds. He said, "we screwed up." So how do you feel now that I shot your dumb smug overconfident conspiracy theorist ass down huh? Get a fucking education
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 oh my its the sparkly lil love fairy, spreadin his love all over........
bellamina1000 2 months ago
@bellamina1000 wtf?
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@AntBanks2626 The evidence is overwhelmingly in contradiction to what the mainstream media has been feeding you/me. Its not just a bunch of opinioned nobodies that have their opinions about the events of 911. Over 1,600 highly well educated professionals in their respective fields of architecture, controlled demolition, physics and such say that it is impossible for the buildings to have fallen at the rate of free fall speed!!! Science don't bullshit!!!
Amarius973 2 months ago
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@AntBanks2626 The evidence is overwhelmingly in contradiction to what the mainstream media has been feeding you/me. Its not just a bunch of opinioned nobodies that have their opinions about the events of 911. Over 1,600 highly well educated professionals in their respective fields of architecture, controlled demolition, physics and such say that it is impossible for the buildings to have fallen at the rate of free fall speed!!! Science don't bullshit!!!
Amarius973 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 Tell him bro but dont strain yourself...Hes not meant to know the truth...hes meant to clock in , grow old and die
AntBanks2626 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 You are the stupidest motherfucker alive. You think that the US is worst place on earth. Good god! We have free speech here and abide by the rule of law. If you don't believe, then try going and living in Congo or Somalia and tell me how you like it there. Even assholes like you have the right shout your crazy conspiracy theory bullshit all day long with no one censoring or gagging you. Alex Jones is one of the nuttiest bullshitters out there and he leads a free life in the US
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@MrVeggie247 Also you oddly seem to think that I support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq simply because I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. Actually I never supported the war in Iraq and I currently support the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. You dumb cocksucker. You need to go fuck yourself in the ass. That way you'll loosen up your asshole so that shit comes out of there and not your fucking mouth. Dipshit!
ssmith5342 2 months ago
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MrVeggie247 2 months ago
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@ssmith5342 whatever!!! just stop being so crazy and demented all the damn time and stop farting bombs left and right and u won't hear from me! ALSO wtf are u assholes up to now with this IP protect bs?!? i swear to god if u guy's pass that bs i'ma come over their and make your lives a living hell of insults and mockery! u hear me?!
MrVeggie247 2 months ago
Respond to this video... Also, on the name-calling bit. There is absolutely no other way to engage you assholes in discussion. The idea that 9/11 was an inside job has been shot down repeatedly by official and independent scholars. There is overwhelming evidence that the government's version is true. This can found everywhere. No matter how much evidence the gov. produces you denialist pricks will continue to deny the obvious and pollute people's minds with your shit. So go fucketh thyself.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 do you have a soul ? How can you insult everyone you come across ? Does this stuff really scare you and so you act out with venom towards anyone who's beliefs might shatter the delusions you feed yourself to feel safe ? It's a sad thing , your the one person who stands out on here as an abusive , hateful person. On the other hand I see others on here can put u in your place, its not hard.
bellamina1000 2 months ago
@bellamina1000 No I don't insult everyone I come across, just stupid nutjob conspiracy theorists. Good god, you little conspiracy bitch thinking that I am scared by claims for which there is no evidence. It is like being scared by the magic spaghetti monster in the sky. You create this delusional world in your heads where evil people occupy every position of power imaginable. The worst thing you idiot fuckers do is create paranoia and fear and make the world increasingly irrational.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@bellamina1000 Oh yeah, it is not hard to put me in my place??? Try me, whore. Let's see you provide some evidence for the bullshit assclown claims that you support. Bring it, bitch.
ssmith5342 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 Haha , what again ?
bellamina1000 2 months ago
@ssmith5342 I think you need a hug....
bellamina1000 2 months ago
it was really an inside job and indeed.. it was a really god job...
jakkkkkify 3 months ago
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3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
If NORAD was told to “stand down” how do you explain F-15 fighters ordered to intercept the high-jacked planes 6 minutes after WTC 1 was hit?
How can Dick Cheney order NORAD to “stand down” if he was never in charge of NORAD?
If WTC 7 was destroyed via controlled demolition, how do you explain firefighters predicting the building's collapse 3 hours before the actual collapse?
ctcole77 3 months ago
when the tower started to crumble the t v antenna fell inside the building making it obvious the building had collapsed from the middle,not from the impact of the aircraft .if the side of the building where the aircraft had hit collapsed first,the top of the building would have collapsed to the side .there is also another just recently with Gadaffi ..when Gadaffi was found dead he was on t v almost instantly yet, the world has still to see the proof of bin ladens death .what is going on???
K3RFC 3 months ago
@K3RFC Agreed about the bin laden part.
munsterr777 3 months ago
This David Ray Griffin was a prof of Philosophy of Religion and Theology. Not exactly the kind of person I would want to talk to about construction or destruction. And to top it off he has only read books written by other conspiracy theorist. So he is just spewing back what ever they said. Give me a break.
drifter01z 3 months ago
@drifter01z So refute his claims directly and specifically. Your attack style is called "ad hominem" by the way, and its cheap and sleazy. However, I guess this means you believe Richard Gage when he talks about construction and demolition, right?
quarkmuffin37 3 months ago
@quarkmuffin37 No, I don't agree with Richard Gage. That's what this guy is running on about. There isn't enough evidence to support a controled demolition. The vast majority of architechs and engineers completely disagree with Gage's theories almost to the point of shunning him. If the buildings used explosives or incendiaries at the point of impact, which is where the collapse began, they would have been set off by the airplane collision and the insuing fireball.
drifter01z 3 months ago
@quarkmuffin37 The building would have come down much much sooner it that were the case. The controled demolition has too many holes in it to be feasible. If these people would look at given photographs and videos of the footage of WTC 7 you will see the southeast corner begin to fall in first, that massive pull to the interior began to pull the steel network to the rest of the building down as it went causing the "collapse into it's own footprint." There were no explosive charges set off.
drifter01z 3 months ago
Your "learning" in absurd and your experience in contortions and fraud called financial industry is the the cause of your parroting. GET A LIFE
arzoyan 3 months ago
@arzoyan I've never participated in any fraud. You're mistaken.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
9.1% employment.
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 9.1% unemployment rate....it's the rate we've been hovering around for too long.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid Ya I was just trying to finish your sentence without you having to put up another post to finish it. And yes, it's a terrible number.
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 Oh LOL.....thanks..you typed employment rate by accident..I don't think I'd be typing to you now if we had 9.1% employment haha.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
A classless,moneyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.
arzoyan 3 months ago 4
@arzoyan Oh please. Grow up. Capitalism is as fair and balanced as any system to date can get. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS ECONOMIC EQUALITY. You're denying hard working, innovative individuals their right to drive humanity and evolution forward by dragging them down to mediocrity. You're a communist and you're Un American.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid Well, for sure you have grown up and aping your OWNERS in distorting and devaluing all and everything. Your little ego is driven by walt disney fairy tale .
arzoyan 3 months ago
@arzoyan There's no point in trying to discuss this with you because you're trapped inside this conspiracy theorist matrix that has you believing these theories are fact. It's like trying to get a point across to somebody heavily under the influence of drugs. The only thing I don't understand is, the way you people accept these concepts and how long it took for each, on average, to accept them. They ask you to question information put out on different news outlets, but not their own.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid I won't go nuts with facts and start going off on different subjects until you get a chance to rebuttal.. It gets annoying when people do that.
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 *to show that there's a lot of room for doubt.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid You are so deluded in your parroting .
arzoyan 3 months ago
@arzoyan Do you even know what parroting means? Obviously not. It's called experience. That's what I gained after 8 years in finance, 4 years of college for it, an 1.5 years on Wall St. at 30 years old. Get a job.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
I just want everybody to see how my points are illustrated by the simple attack style the truthers employ. James3243 did what the others do, bombard me with messages, cyber attack style, that he was obviously copying and pasting. I started answering immediately, so you can't say he wasn't at the computer. You also can't say he types at the speed of sound, so we know he was obviously cutting and pasting. No rebuttal, just another truther parrot. Pathetic. You guys- grow up. You're not James Bond.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid haha um... First off , it's NEAR free fall speed. Also, please explain multi-ton pools of molten lava found under each WTC 6 weeks after the 3 towers were pulverized. That is COMPLETELY un-explainable considering FEMA and NIST have the hottest temperatures 1000 degrees COOLER than the melting point of steel.
james3244 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid The "outer- perimeter walls" were made from STEEL and were welded AND bolted to the floor and ceiling joists, which were welded and bolted to the 47 concrete reinforced steel columns. It's called a tube structure. And a plane flying into it is like poking a pencil through a screen door.
james3244 4 months ago
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james3244 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid As well... ALL 3 WTCs were damaged in COMPLETELY different spots, knocking COMPLETELY different columns and joists, yet they fell in EXACTLY the same fashion. And how about WTC 7??? haha that thing fell so perfectly that THE TOP DEMOLITION EXPERT IN EUROPE SAYS IN NO WAY COULD IT BE CAUSED BY FIRE.
Oh and by the way, that top control demolition expert was killed.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 I don't care what NIST said. This isn't a multiple choice test where, if I don't agree with the report, it has to be a conspiracy. That's not how it works, and I'm almost certain you didn't read and/or understand the full report. As far as CD goes, you're the one that's missing it. If CD was used there would be wires, cords found in the debris, and usually wrapped around chunks of debris. You can't get rid of that stuff. I can't talk about this right now.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid Actually, there's a thing called remote detonators and if you'll be so kind to watch a video with an expert in CD talk about it, you'll find it's very possible and these devices get completely destroyed when used. Sorry man. I'm also sorry about work, I actually didn't catch that. My apologies. Also, jet fuel is a hydro-carbon and can't burn past a certain temperature. Yes, the steel was weakened, but 95% of the building remained structurally in tact.
james3244 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid The "pancake collapse" theory was dis-proven long ago and Pop Mech knows it's impossible for that to have happened. It's time to get real.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Well I appreciate the apology..we can talk about this civilly later.. no insults or anything. I'll go over your comments when I get home.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid Agreed.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Sorry..I meant to say..they wouldn't be able to torch and drill to the outer perimeter columns without a lot of obnoxious noise. But anyway, I shouldn't get into this, I'll respond to your comments later this evening.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid One more quick thing....The best case pro-government supporters have is "how could so many people be involved"....It's not what you think. They used a tactic called "compartmentalization". The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It's like the DEVER AIRPORT.
Multiple designers and builders were hired to build the airport, but they were only to build one part of it and NOONE knew what they other plans looked like.
james3244 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid I quite understand what NIST, FEMA, and the 9/11 commission report says. I have been researching 9/11 while getting my Bachelor's of Architecture. I am in your time zone, but I actually have a job looking after my friend who was hit by a drunk driver and now has brain damage. So, in turn, I work from home because my friend needs me.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Oh okay...the time on the messages must either be inaccurate or it was sent late. I don't see how a team of ghost ninjas could rig the towers. Maybe the core columns but they wouldn't be able to torch and drill to the outer perimeter columns with obnoxious noise. Plus, you'd have to believe the hundreds of workers would have to be "in on it". It's inconceivable to me. Another point I skimmed over is the screen door comment. A comm. Jet typical travels 4-500mph..pen through a screen?
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
Indeed a pencil through a screen door. You should listen to the Lead Structural Engineer (LSE) of the WTCs talk about how they should have withstood MULTIPLE aircraft and were designed to do so. And don't give me it was designed for a 707. It is heavier and almost has the same cruising speed as a 767. Once again, the building were shut down for "security reasons" multiple times before 9/11 and they had THE BIGGEST ELEVATOR UPGRADE IN HISTORY. Who's in charge of security? ....Marvin Bush
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Last comment I'll make for now...I'd seriously recommend you looking into these supposed shut downs for security reasons. There's no way the World Trade Center can just shut down man. The NY cotton exchange was in there as well as a main commodity futures exchange...I'm telling you dude..this is my area that I'm employed in. They can't just cancel trading like that.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid No no, they shut down several "perimeters" at a time. Your right, that would be impossible to shut down the whole damn building, never-mind the complex.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Still though, you should look into it more, I'll get back to you later.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid Oh I have--here's one of many readings.......world911truth*org/world-trade-center-employee-discusses-pre-911-power-downs/
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 It's hearsay man unless you can verify it....I'll get back to you.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid ok...This is from the London Times.....911research.wtc7*net/cache/sept11/londontimes_insidertrading.html
CBS News-------cbsnews*com/stories/2001/09/19/eveningnews/main311834.shtml
Bloomberg News--------911research.wtc7*net/cache/sept11/bloombberg_BAamong38.html
I can get you more, but this will suffice for now.
james3244 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid You work in the financial district? FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE DAMN INSIDER TRADING WAS MINUTES BEFORE THE FIRST PLANE STRUCK.....WTF?
How could all these top CEOs and investors know this would happen?
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Only thing that can really be checked is historical data relative to volume, volatility, prices etc. Can't check performance reports and account statements, and most importantly, can not identify individual trading strategies. For instance, I could employ an option spread say, two days before the attack, consisting of both puts and calls, and you can turn around and say I purchased put options..but that's very misleading and out of context. But I'd be innocent and accused.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid Man... A german company was used to back-up alllll the WTC's data and hard-drives. They have ALL the information and have informed the FBI publicly. To this day, the FBI has done NOTHING.
I'm not talking out of my ass. In fact, I used to believe 19 hijackers did this.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 I can just about assure you dude, it's well past the point in time where banks and firms out here would be required to have those records readily accessible. Plus they'd have to be hidden from all disclosure documents signed and filed, considering past performance results are a crucial part of the document. We have to show a variety of different expressions like peak-to-valley for past 3 years and current YTD, monthly drawdowns, net asset changes, withdrawals, redemption's etc.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@james3244 There's no way they have back ups from a decade ago or even have the space for it. It's possible, but until you can verify it, it's a rumor. Anyway..I'll look into these links later on..have a good day for now.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid Wow man.. please look into it.. They knew of the insider trading directly after it happened.. not 10 years from then (now)...."The trades are called "puts" and they involved at least 450,000 shares of American. But what raised the red flag is more than 80 percent of the orders were "puts", far outnumbering "call" options, those betting the stock would rise. "
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Hmm..greatly outnumbered the calls at the beginning of the 4th quarter you say...interesting. Ironically we're talking about this and there's been a lot of buzz this week about AMR Corp is filing for bankruptcy. American Airlines being their subsidiary. We actually saw AMR Corp shares close at 1.98 a few days ago. Anyway...as interesting as it sounds..it's still a rumor because the grapevine is very long and prone to manipulation..but I'll look into this stuff later this evening.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid There is no "grapevine" or rumours. This is fact and is documented. By the way you are talking, you clearly haven't looked into any of the insider trading.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 I told you I didn't look into it and I also told you I can't now nor can I verify any claims. In fact, it's really not terribly suspicious considering the summer was ending and the 3rd quarter was wrapping up..in regards to the airline puts. Again though, I'll get back to you.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid Please do because although I like the way your thinking and not just believing what I say, your points in this situation are completely irrelevant.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 Of course there's a grapevine, there's probably moredaily rumors on Wall St. than any other place on the planet. As far as mainstream/alternative media goes...that's not even anything to consider..there's so much gossip who the hell knows how much illegitimate rumors we've heard being presented as news. I'll catch you later.
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid Ugh we are talking about insider trading right now. Everything you just said makes absolutely no sense. These aren't rumours, they are facts--such as gravity. Indisputable facts.
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 How is it an indisputable fact? Because you saw it on a website or video?
WallStwizkid 4 months ago
@WallStwizkid woow.. look at those sources and this.. ABC news does coverage on it. youtube*com/watch?v=76ZVvMU4UO4
james3244 4 months ago
@james3244 How is "everything I was saying makes absolutely no sense" when I was discussing revenue structures and transactional reporting regulations that we have to be in compliance with? Unless you could methodically break down how these regulations were manipulated, it's a rumor. It's that simple. I said I'd watch your link, so I will now. But I'm telling you, I said many times news shows and reports do not make something "an indisputable fact like gravity", which was a theory till tested.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@james3244 That link doesn't work man. I don't know where you screwed up..I tried a few possible attempts but..no good.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid you have to change the * after youtube to a (period) because youtube doesn't allow you to paste links. After you watch this news special, you'll have a better understanding.
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 Yeah no kidding. I just told you that I don't know where it screwed up but I tried a few possibilities. Obviously the period was the first one I attempted. Doesn't work man, just tell me what to put in the search please.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid 9 11 Prior Knowledge Insider Trading 9 20 2001 ABC
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 The Secretary of the Treasury at the time said "It would take going through 10 veils before getting to the source." "The trades were made from all around the world." "Measures have been taken to prevent anyone from inside the U.S. to profit off of the deaths." "The trail could lead to the terrorists." None of those statements coincide with what you're claiming, and even if they did, it's not an indisputable fact. In fact, it really doesn't matter where the volume came from.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@james3244 Doesn't really matter where the volume came from, that doesn't even prove if they were carrying the account to begin with. My firm introduces many trades and accounts on a daily basis to our clearing member firm, who in turn accepts the actual funds (no omnibus accounts permitted when they clear trades for my firm), and then deposits the necessary funds with the clearing house. This is usually a very quick process. This is also only one particular arrangement..there are many.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@james3244 Very dangerous jumping to conclusions with the amount of limited information available, as I said prior to even watching the video you linked. It clearly stated the pending investigation at the time that I'm sure the options exchange in Chicago, the U.S. Treasury, and even the SEC participated in. If that's all you got then no, that is not an indisputable fact like gravity. Not even close.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid We haven't even scratched the surface. One of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency. Until 1997 A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997.
james3244 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid Krongard's last position at Banker's Trust (BT) was to oversee "private client relations". In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 I know all about the Bankers Trust building, it's located right next to ground zero. That $2.5 million return on equity was unclaimed because the SEC along with the U.S. Treasury made sure nobody profited from the deaths. That was stated specifically in the video you sent. Is it suspicious that large bets were made in favor of declining share prices for Airline stock using put options at the end of the 3rd quarter? Yes and no. The timing of the trade initiations is obviously cnt..
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@james3244 Is obviously going to raise eyebrows. Does this mean central intelligence along with other agencies were aware of the threat? I don't think anybody out there is going to say they didn't, including myself. However, hijacking planes and using them as guided missiles was one of many threats that were flooding the communications and intelligence prior to the attack. They do this to try to cause confusion and panic, which was clearly illustrated the morning of the attack.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@james3244 However, all this proves is unethical behavior on behalf of, so far, one individual you named. Obviously administrative agencies regulating Finance with delegated power from the U.S. Congress along with the U.S. Treasury made sure no profit taking occurred on some of those trades. Simply put, if that information is true, it was in very poor taste. It's not proof of a vast conspiracy, and it's certainly not grounds to jump to conclusions and make accusations of high treason/genocide.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@james3244 Keep in mind...when it comes to the insider trading issues..I don't need to debunk them beyond all doubt like I did when we were discussing the physics and structural/geo-technical engineering aspects of the collapse. All I have to do is poke enough holes in these claims to show there as a lot of room to doubt it. It's a very serious charge, the highest criminal charge you are making accusations about.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid About time I deal with someone with a brain. These "coincidences" become rather large when seeing the big picture. I'm all about discussing the physics and complete structural dismemberment and pulverization of three, 400 000+ ton WTC buildings. I went to school to know how and why buildings work- and then design them. Granted, it IS quite different than engineering-- I am well aware and capable of the math and physics involved.
james3244 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid And you don't need to be an architect or engineer to know that multi-ton pools of molten metal under the 3 WTC complexes were in existence for over 6 weeks, seen by the fire-fighters and rescuers themselves. That is impossible because the temperatures in the HOTTEST of the fires were about 1000dF BELOW the melting point of steel. This is where I'd like to show you the video of the controlled demolition expert who talks about remote charges and thermite.
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 Nobody ever said the steel melted. There's been demonstrations showing, if you burn steel long enough, it will eventually lose it's support and fail. As far as the math goes, I already showed my calculations relative to the fall of the collapse. It was not free fall speed and did not defy any science. It's silly to talk about variables we can't account for. There were high powered generators blowing up, aluminum from the planes..lots of stuff in those buildings.
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
@WallStwizkid Ughh.. see, that's the problem. IT WAS STEEL THAT MELTED. There are MANY samples that were taken from hardened multi-ton POOLS of it. And guess what else they found. Thermite.
"Silly to talk about variables we can't account for?" What variables? We know exactly what the buildings were made of and how they were constructed. We know exactly what the planes were made out of and how much they weighed.
There are no missing variables.
james3244 3 months ago
@james3244 Of course there are missing variables. You can't account for everything inside those buildings. It's silly to think papers and office supplies were the only combustible materials inside 1300 foot skyscrapers. The steel didn't melt. It still lost at least 50% of its support. Tell me what it takes to melt steel?? They lit up 175 pounds of thermite on a steel column which didn't cause a dent. None of the "conspiracy" videos offer any demonstrations..why is that?
WallStwizkid 3 months ago
What are you even saying?? Combustable ISN'T molten metal. There were multiple tons of LIQUID METAL found under buildings 1, 2 & 7. Actually this was a Class A building (might be different in America). There are limitations to what objects can be put into the design-- such as generators and propane (for the kitchens). So yes, these are entered into the equation. They are not variables. And besides that fact, only 3-4 floors were "critically" damaged. This is only 2% of the structural integrity.
james3244 3 months ago