what are we gonna do.....this has sort of ended music, jack de jonett is the mystirius way out of this river or stream of music, there are not any way to describe this, i words...
Yes indeed!!! 3 of the most creative improvisors on the planet...and 3 of my personal favorites! Paul Motian is a genius on the traps. hearing him for the first time changed me forever as adrummer/percussionist.
@pjustusxi He looks way more badass now. Like, Motian could stab somebody now and then tell you he's a bad mothefucker. And you'd believe it, and potentially not even call thecops. Because it's Paul Motian, and he's a badass.
@nobodady1 - There's nothing wrong musicians 'blowin' their brains out there in outer space doing 'avant guard explorations' like Coltrane was doing before he died as he searched for & tried to find a musical passageway into a parallel universe - but that doesn't what they are doing is 'music' in this universe the one are trapped in. And Youtube edited re-worded my last comment & will probably do it again. No wonder there are people searching to find a way into another world huh?
@adeduction I prefer to think all this is possible within a the very world we are living in. Experimentation is natural for a curious species, and is necessary for our survival.
Keith Jarrett is my favorite piano player & one of the greatest jazz musicians in the history of jazz. He is really an amazing improvisor, a great piano player and musician and knows how to create beautiful music. I should have just said that I'm glad he moved on and out of that experimental period of the early & middle 70's. Coltrane couldn't, didn't want to & kept searching & I believe self destructed as a result. If only Coltrane had come back down to earth. I'm sure glad that Keith did.
@adeduction I believe Coltrane died of liver disease --- not artistic experimentation. Glad you like Keith, even if I cannot agree with your opinion of his avant guard explorations --- or Coltrane's if I get your meaning.
Just fond out hat I still have Paul Motion's Conception Vessel LP on my record shell. Soo great. Wish I had not sold my Edward Wesala's Nana. THAT was a strange album. Best album to get your friends out of your flat. Well, this works, too.
@nmatt77 BTW, I wasn't criticizing CH at all. Playing "all over the place" is just saying it as it is. Do you hear a tonal center in the first 8 minutes of KJ's trio above? I definitely don't. Bottom line: in my opinion, I simply think Free Jazz is based on harmonic and rhythmic dissonance, which makes it appealing on some levels. Overall, I don't really care for it. :o)
Interesting recording. I'm torn, however, between liking it and not, but free jazz is kinda like that, isn't it? It really is a bunch of nonsense musically, in my opinion, but I don't say that because I don't understand it, nor like it overall. For example, Keith circles around D dominant, but Charlie is all over the place harmonically, so there really isn't a harmonic ensemble. The three seldom stay anywhere close to being locked-in rhythmically, either, except after 8 minutes.
@funkykeys12 With all of that said, I think it's the extreme amount of dissonance, followed by occasional releases to the tension, that makes free jazz worth listening to. For a jazz player, of course, it supercedes all musical traditions on rhythm, theory and harmony and allows the player(s) to re-write it all on the spot, which these 3 were pretty amazing at doing.
@funkykeys12 I still prefer Keith's beautiful melodies and harmonies, such as "Introduction & Yaqui Indian Folk Song," (Treasure Island), "My Song," Koln, and even the really dissonant sections of Vienna. Seems silly to even put it all into words. :o)
@funkykeys12 you are assuming that consonance is the trio's primary musical objective. There is such a thing as an a-tonal approach to free-jazz. If you want to hear a tonal approach listen to Pat Metheny play Humpty Dumpty on Rejoicing...
@nmatt77 I'm not really assuming anything. How does one assume what a musician is thinking during their performance? Or assuming what a painter was thinking when a beautiful work was created. My point is that free jazz is typically dissonant in nature. There's a lot of tension without a lot of release. When's the last time you heard Pat, Keith or Ornette playing free jazz over nothing but a C major scale?
@funkykeys12 in your critique you criticized CH for being "all over the place" harmonically. I'm saying that you should try to get in their heads and figure out what they are trying to do, and that in this case I don't think their musical goal is harmonic consonance.
@funkykeys12 And further more, all free jazz is certainly not dissonant!! Please I urge you to check out Pat playing "free" jazz on the tune Humpty Dumpty. He plays very tonally in the key of E major, he also uses "outside" tension and resolves it pretty consistently over 8 bar phrases.
@nmatt77 Dude... what are you talking about?? Pat's solo over Humpty Dumpty sounds pretty dissonant to me! I also would not consider that free jazz by any accord. There is a huge difference between playing outside of any structure whatsoever, which is the foundation of what Ornette Coleman (who most would consider the founding father of the Free Jazz movement) laid, and simply playing outside of the changes, which is really what Pat is essentially doing.
@keysfunky12 first off, Humpty Dumpty is an Ornette tune. Listen man, there are different kinds of free tunes. Humpty is a free jazz tune if you want to put a label on it. It is a good example of a tonal approach to free playing, and Pat plays a ton in E major thru that solo. In fact, he resolves his 8 bar phrases to that tonal center over and over. I'll transcribe it and analyze it for you. There are no changes on Humpty Dumpty, just implied harmony by the soloist. It's great!!
Sounds like they're limbering up, exercising, sound checking, testing & tuning up before playing some sensible music. That or they're completely lost & searching to find music to play. Sure glad Keith finally discovered that playing 'old' standards is a lot better this nonsense. No matter how many times he 'Wooh's' & bangs that dumb tamborine. They can't be serious - got to be playing a joke on us?? If you can't make sense out of it how can it be considered music?
@adeduction free jazz can be disorienting for some listeners. Try connecting with the performance as dialogue. Listen to the interplay motivically, rhythmically, melodically. This is the most challenging music to comprehend, on some levels, and simply intuitive on some other levels.
@nmatt77 Thanks but I played drums & I went through the 'free jazz' revolution starting with Coleman, Miles, etc. It was exciting at first because we were exploring & going searchng for new frontiers. Jarrett I believe eventually discovered that 'creating' great music is much more satisfying than trying to break through & 'discover' something that may not be 'beautiful'. Music I believe has to b beautiful before it can be considered music.
@adeduction when I listen to this I hear beautiful music. I'm sure if you asked the performers they would feel similarly. I guess it's totally subjective.
I discovered the two Impulse! box sets about 13 years ago. 'Sublime's a word oft overused, but not here. Some of it (like Fort Yawuh) was an out-of-body experience for me.
Greetings from Keith Jarrett's old home town. Allentown Pennsylvania. The 70's ABC Impulse years are my favorite period for Keith! The very first record I ever had from Keith's was the 1975 "Shades" disc with Dewey Redman, Haden, and Motian. It was Soooo Bad-Ass.
I like Keith Jarret better when he plays the tambourine. Just kidding ;-)
Blueaspen391 2 months ago
no doubt they're having fun playing. Probably they didn't care at all about listeners
Blueaspen391 2 months ago
My love for Jarrett borders on worship but this performance is boring. Never thought I would ever say that about him.
DesiMan 2 months ago
Motian left Bill Evans to do this stuff.
nobodady1 3 months ago
Oh well at least Jarrett's played some Bach... helps make up for this random plonking !
pobinr 3 months ago
R.I.P. Paul. So sad, but what a musical legacy. One of the greatest.
MSilberman 3 months ago 2
r.i.p.Paul, now nobody could plays air
valentynesuite 3 months ago
mh..the bass is practically mute...is not possible to hear a thing!
dippone 4 months ago
@dippone
I'm a bass player - welcome to my life.
Carehuea 2 months ago
haha! Keith liked it at 2:51!!!
ethnotime 5 months ago
They all are Masters of jazz music
Thanks
123must 5 months ago
2:50 haha! WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
GraditudevsRevenge 6 months ago
what are we gonna do.....this has sort of ended music, jack de jonett is the mystirius way out of this river or stream of music, there are not any way to describe this, i words...
DjBubbamusic 8 months ago
Only the Germans would think to put a pair of Sennheiser 421's on piano. And of coarse, being Germans, it actually sounds good!
tthueson 1 year ago 12
@tthueson : -)
nassreiskulturen 10 months ago
Yes indeed!!! 3 of the most creative improvisors on the planet...and 3 of my personal favorites! Paul Motian is a genius on the traps. hearing him for the first time changed me forever as adrummer/percussionist.
chauntzu 1 year ago 4
where can i get this whole video
naturalsmind 1 year ago
You know, Charlie Haden DOES look a bit like Jack Black here.
nobodady1 1 year ago
@nobodady1 Charlie Haden's daughter is married to Jack Black.
Jazzman303 1 year ago
@Jazzman303 I know. That is what is so amusing to me --- .
nobodady1 1 year ago
@Jazzman303 Lol. Say wahaaat? The things you learn on youtube.
ignarukih 1 year ago
The bassist must have cold hands!
ZackPomerleau 1 year ago
the hair rocks!
gimmydeans 1 year ago
@TheNoricus really who is it??
unclejunglebass 1 year ago
@TheNoricus Um, yes, it is, actually. He used to have hair.
pjustusxi 1 year ago
@pjustusxi He looks way more badass now. Like, Motian could stab somebody now and then tell you he's a bad mothefucker. And you'd believe it, and potentially not even call thecops. Because it's Paul Motian, and he's a badass.
ignarukih 1 year ago
@nobodady1 - There's nothing wrong musicians 'blowin' their brains out there in outer space doing 'avant guard explorations' like Coltrane was doing before he died as he searched for & tried to find a musical passageway into a parallel universe - but that doesn't what they are doing is 'music' in this universe the one are trapped in. And Youtube edited re-worded my last comment & will probably do it again. No wonder there are people searching to find a way into another world huh?
adeduction 1 year ago
@adeduction I prefer to think all this is possible within a the very world we are living in. Experimentation is natural for a curious species, and is necessary for our survival.
nobodady1 1 year ago
those drums kick serious ass. paul makes this shit happen!
unclejunglebass 1 year ago 2
Keith Jarrett is my favorite piano player & one of the greatest jazz musicians in the history of jazz. He is really an amazing improvisor, a great piano player and musician and knows how to create beautiful music. I should have just said that I'm glad he moved on and out of that experimental period of the early & middle 70's. Coltrane couldn't, didn't want to & kept searching & I believe self destructed as a result. If only Coltrane had come back down to earth. I'm sure glad that Keith did.
adeduction 1 year ago
@adeduction I believe Coltrane died of liver disease --- not artistic experimentation. Glad you like Keith, even if I cannot agree with your opinion of his avant guard explorations --- or Coltrane's if I get your meaning.
nobodady1 1 year ago
Just fond out hat I still have Paul Motion's Conception Vessel LP on my record shell. Soo great. Wish I had not sold my Edward Wesala's Nana. THAT was a strange album. Best album to get your friends out of your flat. Well, this works, too.
labbai 1 year ago
@nmatt77 BTW, I wasn't criticizing CH at all. Playing "all over the place" is just saying it as it is. Do you hear a tonal center in the first 8 minutes of KJ's trio above? I definitely don't. Bottom line: in my opinion, I simply think Free Jazz is based on harmonic and rhythmic dissonance, which makes it appealing on some levels. Overall, I don't really care for it. :o)
keysfunky12 1 year ago
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nmatt77 1 year ago
@keysfunky12 you are correct! they hang around D. CH plays about a thousand Ds. You don't hear that?
nmatt77 1 year ago
@nmatt77 Maybe this is in D flat??
labbai 1 year ago
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keysfunky12 1 year ago
Interesting recording. I'm torn, however, between liking it and not, but free jazz is kinda like that, isn't it? It really is a bunch of nonsense musically, in my opinion, but I don't say that because I don't understand it, nor like it overall. For example, Keith circles around D dominant, but Charlie is all over the place harmonically, so there really isn't a harmonic ensemble. The three seldom stay anywhere close to being locked-in rhythmically, either, except after 8 minutes.
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@funkykeys12 With all of that said, I think it's the extreme amount of dissonance, followed by occasional releases to the tension, that makes free jazz worth listening to. For a jazz player, of course, it supercedes all musical traditions on rhythm, theory and harmony and allows the player(s) to re-write it all on the spot, which these 3 were pretty amazing at doing.
funkykeys12 1 year ago
@funkykeys12 I still prefer Keith's beautiful melodies and harmonies, such as "Introduction & Yaqui Indian Folk Song," (Treasure Island), "My Song," Koln, and even the really dissonant sections of Vienna. Seems silly to even put it all into words. :o)
funkykeys12 1 year ago
@funkykeys12 you are assuming that consonance is the trio's primary musical objective. There is such a thing as an a-tonal approach to free-jazz. If you want to hear a tonal approach listen to Pat Metheny play Humpty Dumpty on Rejoicing...
nmatt77 1 year ago
@nmatt77 I'm not really assuming anything. How does one assume what a musician is thinking during their performance? Or assuming what a painter was thinking when a beautiful work was created. My point is that free jazz is typically dissonant in nature. There's a lot of tension without a lot of release. When's the last time you heard Pat, Keith or Ornette playing free jazz over nothing but a C major scale?
funkykeys12 1 year ago
@funkykeys12 in your critique you criticized CH for being "all over the place" harmonically. I'm saying that you should try to get in their heads and figure out what they are trying to do, and that in this case I don't think their musical goal is harmonic consonance.
nmatt77 1 year ago
@funkykeys12 And further more, all free jazz is certainly not dissonant!! Please I urge you to check out Pat playing "free" jazz on the tune Humpty Dumpty. He plays very tonally in the key of E major, he also uses "outside" tension and resolves it pretty consistently over 8 bar phrases.
nmatt77 1 year ago
@nmatt77 Dude... what are you talking about?? Pat's solo over Humpty Dumpty sounds pretty dissonant to me! I also would not consider that free jazz by any accord. There is a huge difference between playing outside of any structure whatsoever, which is the foundation of what Ornette Coleman (who most would consider the founding father of the Free Jazz movement) laid, and simply playing outside of the changes, which is really what Pat is essentially doing.
keysfunky12 1 year ago
@keysfunky12 first off, Humpty Dumpty is an Ornette tune. Listen man, there are different kinds of free tunes. Humpty is a free jazz tune if you want to put a label on it. It is a good example of a tonal approach to free playing, and Pat plays a ton in E major thru that solo. In fact, he resolves his 8 bar phrases to that tonal center over and over. I'll transcribe it and analyze it for you. There are no changes on Humpty Dumpty, just implied harmony by the soloist. It's great!!
nmatt77 1 year ago
@sonikitty I don't think it takes any high level of intellect or taste to comprehend free jazz.
nmatt77 1 year ago
Sounds like they're limbering up, exercising, sound checking, testing & tuning up before playing some sensible music. That or they're completely lost & searching to find music to play. Sure glad Keith finally discovered that playing 'old' standards is a lot better this nonsense. No matter how many times he 'Wooh's' & bangs that dumb tamborine. They can't be serious - got to be playing a joke on us?? If you can't make sense out of it how can it be considered music?
adeduction 1 year ago
@adeduction free jazz can be disorienting for some listeners. Try connecting with the performance as dialogue. Listen to the interplay motivically, rhythmically, melodically. This is the most challenging music to comprehend, on some levels, and simply intuitive on some other levels.
nmatt77 1 year ago
@nmatt77 Thanks but I played drums & I went through the 'free jazz' revolution starting with Coleman, Miles, etc. It was exciting at first because we were exploring & going searchng for new frontiers. Jarrett I believe eventually discovered that 'creating' great music is much more satisfying than trying to break through & 'discover' something that may not be 'beautiful'. Music I believe has to b beautiful before it can be considered music.
adeduction 1 year ago
@adeduction when I listen to this I hear beautiful music. I'm sure if you asked the performers they would feel similarly. I guess it's totally subjective.
nmatt77 1 year ago
I discovered the two Impulse! box sets about 13 years ago. 'Sublime's a word oft overused, but not here. Some of it (like Fort Yawuh) was an out-of-body experience for me.
Cianaodh1 1 year ago
Greetings from Keith Jarrett's old home town. Allentown Pennsylvania. The 70's ABC Impulse years are my favorite period for Keith! The very first record I ever had from Keith's was the 1975 "Shades" disc with Dewey Redman, Haden, and Motian. It was Soooo Bad-Ass.
rhbxyz 2 years ago
This is my favorite Keith Jarrett Trio. I think he was at his best in the 70s.
MusicNewman 2 years ago