So... if there is no Aether and Tesla was wrong, then how come the Earth is being visited by flying saucers almost on a daily basis? What is their energy source? How can light propagate as a "wave" if there is no "medium"? How come the planet is still growing in size? How come gravity and acceleration be the same thing, and what is inertia? If there is no Aether we shouldn't be here. The Universe is kinetic and eternal. Most people can't understand this, so they create stupid "theories".
@annoloki Believing in God is stupid? That was rude. I was only respondin to an atheist who was offended by the name 'God paritcle.' If you believe that the religious person is always inherently wrong then make a study of it and leave me the hell alone. thanks
Let me explain to some Monkeys here: If someone has created us and in this case i'ts god that everyone is reffering to then i don't think we can come with idea's or solution how he created this whole system! we can explain the rules of nature and space and how it become t exist but not how it did exist!! Space or the universe is a Prison for us ! We can only talk and do thing with the rules god gave us! such as creation! the word creation is a rule that we have been given and nothing more ;)
George Washington made mention of the Illuminati in his letters. Check out the $1.00 American bill with the symbolism. Why are the pyramids aligned with the stars? Why do Hollywood movies have symbolism in them? Why is mind control being used on the public? Maybe the powerful elite are worried about knowledge and know that the only way to control knowledge is to limit it to the public, just like natural resources like oil and water.
Until people really do study the knowledge that is being controlled to the mainstream public, we will continue to live in ignorance. Study the Skull and Bones society which John Kerry and George W Bush were part of. Study the powerful people who have dreamed of a New World Order to take out religion. Study how the powerful people are connected to pedophilia and homosexual activities. What about comments that have been made by those in power both in print and in video?
So Higgs's Boson enters a church and the priest says: "You're not allowed in here, get out", then the Higg's Boson replies: "but without me, how can you have mass?" BUZZINGA
Rubbish!!! What will they do now after having found out that Neutrinos travel faster than Light, which means everything they based their speculative theories on is rubbish. The 20th century science relies on the belief that nothing can travel faster than light.
Buzzword... BUZZWORD... BUUUUZZZZWWOOOOORRRRRDDDD!!! atom's and stuff and the big bang and the like... BUUUZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZWWWWOOOOOORRRRDDDD!!!!!!1
why do athist get wet over something like this dose it really prove no god ! it took a billion of dallors to rmake pluse some of the smarts people in science to do and ur telling me this was happining in the vacum of no space in time becouse we all no the before the big bag or at the momment of it that time matter was eather not thier or assembled after it or how did it all came togather at that momment or was it the only time that it happend if anything it proves thiers a god i think
and since light has mass , it would explain why they had been accelerated faster than their average speed of..299 792 458 m / s which means some stars and plantes are probably closer and some further away than based to consent.
Light has mass, photons have mass if they did not , light would not bend around the gravity of planets light years away in their discovery. When you have mass you have gravity.
@Kooshkff I read quite a few, I can't see anything you might be referring to on a quick look but tbh, I'm not gonna spend ages reading everything in search of ignorant comments. Fact is "God particle" is short for "God damn hard to find particle", and anybody offended by it is both stupid and ignorant of that fact. Just because believing in god is stupid doesn't mean that somebody who doesn't believe in god is automatically clever. I don't think anyone's claiming that.
@KinsMap Erm, no, "god particle" is short for "god damn hard to find particle". It has nothing to do with god, it's just an expression of things that are difficult to find.
@KinsMap Most politicians avoid the topic of religion as much as possible because it is a sensitive area. You more then likely have it the other way. Most groups who financially fund stuff like this, particularly fund stuff that can help debunk religions and such beliefs.
@KinsMap How sure are you?Do you have evidence about that?The scientist are not fools to fool around with people and they know stuff which you and i rarely know!
@rhnofal Yes, we have advanced.But on the other hand...
“If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.”
― Richard P. Feynman
“One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.”
― Albert Einstein
P.S--The earth is not round.And "DNA holds the genetic information" is a blanket truth.?
@bozolazic are you really saying that there is nothing is science that is certain.
i know that u like to copy and paste a lot of quotes of google but is that really your believe?
and yes i know the the earth is not round its technically egg shaped my point is that we know that for sure and the DNA does hold the genetic code. there are 20k-25k genes in humans and they are all in the DNA i didn't say that all of the DNA is composed of genes and these are just examples i can give u more if u want
@rhnofal A true scientist, even today, will tell you that they don't deal in certainty.They are the 99%! PS---The earth is not technically egg shaped.
“Out yonder there is this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking”
Please dont call it god particle, because that just confuses everyone.
Its discovery will close a gap in our naturalistic understanding of reality, which in fact makes all religion a bit more unneeded to explain reality. So calling it the god-killer particle would be just as accurate.
Because its so hard to detect that scientists couldnt find it in decades, many also call it the goddamn particle.
But serious news media should call it the higgs boson.
Antitheists are expressing the reasons why they dont like religion all the time, continuously, and most of them are honest about it, also when you look at what they say the same reasons come up again and again.
Also, i dont hate religion, i view it as a doctor might view the virus causing AIDS. Its about finding out what hurts the virus and what helps the virus, about learning, understanding and research on how to best defeat it. And hate doesnt help in that.
just look in the comments section of this very video for enough reasons to fight. Pure ignorance incarnate. Protestants are as bad as Catholics. All right wing religious groups have a kiddie fiddling problem, Catholics are just the ones that got found out about the most. Some Catholics set bombs in Ireland, some Catholics supported Hitler and Franco and fascist regimes in South America, most followers and priests don't though. Ignorance is the biggest damage it causes.
"God particle" is just a very incorrect label that mainstream media attached to it. it decays so fast and is so hard to detect that some scientists call it the goddamn particle, which is more fitting. Its official scientific name is the higgs boson.
As a ludite I prefer child poverty as the great unresolved god particle.It appears the question is quality of life rather than the quantity of useless pricey contraptions like nuclear bombs.
The Illuminati would love to do MK-ULTRA stuff on God. It's not like they are going to become more humble through this discovery. Remember how 'liberated' the world would be w/personal home computers? Who do you think will own this? The 1%. Nuts.
Isn't in the "Big bang" just a theory? They are spending all this money in something they know it'll never work or show any results. Meanwhile you can check a few surviving text books that show that Tesla was able to come up with the answer for mass, gravity and inertia (the Aether) and how to generate and broadcast wireless power.
it's just a theory in the way germ theory or the theory of gravity is.
Fundamental research often leads to technology that couldn't be predicted as a result of it at the time. When Faraday was asked what the point of science was he replied 'what is the point of a baby' for a reason, it might not do much work now but it'll grow up to do something, we don't know what yet.
The aether? It doesn't fit all the evidence. That's why like phlogestrron it was dropped.
when someone says "just a theory" you immediately know that person knows NOTHING about science. The existence of the aether has been disproven experimentally again and again and again, with higher and higher precision.
Tesla did some good science, but much of what he did was just speculation and has since been disproven. Science didnt sleep after teslas death, but it seems you had your head buried deep in the sand since that time.
@kurtilein3 . you win the Dawin intelligence award today m8. the Aether has Never been diss-proven. in fact far from it. Einstein never discounted its reality and Gale, Sagnac and Michelson all found evidence for its existence. You should check your facts and read the original papers before harping on repeating the same old popular science drivel party line
My physics professors say otherwise, the books about physics i read say otherwise, both popular science books and professional physics textbooks, they all say that there is an experiment which has been repeated again and again that disproves the existence of the aether. Its called the Michelson–Morley experiment, and is the most famous experiment ever done in physics that had a negative result; we learned more from this failure than from any other failure.
also, i would like to add that you know NOTHING about science, you only know how to put nonsense into scientifically-sounding language. You think referencing papers while claiming they say the opposite of what they actually say works to further your nonsensical argument. Well, that works with other ignorant people, but not with people that studied these experiments and the conclusions drawn from them.
@kurtilein3 - listen twitlicks . you dont know that i have a masters degree in physics do you. AND a doctorate in Mechanical Engineering so instead of jumping to conclusions why not just STFU dumbass (see i can shout in caps too and be just as rude as you). Instead of thinking you know something by believing in what you have been told by your 'professors' if you do your own research you will be surprised by what you find. its called statistical relevance.
I finally watched it, sorry that it took me so long. The first experiment is good, the second one adds systemic mistakes. Its not a new discovery at all. It only shows that gravity pulling or pushing against different parts of the apparatus fucks up the results. I bet if you build it more sturdy, the differences will be reduced.
You do it horizontally, so that gravity doesnt bend your apparatus. second comment needed.
... second comment You do it horizontally, and because you want to study the existence or non-existence of aether, you choose a time of day when the movement of earth around the sun is most rapid in the horizontal direction. To keep it perfectly horizontal you can have the whole device float in mercury, or on an precisely controlled air cushion. The conclusions in the video you asked me to watch are just totally wrong. Experiment 1 is good, number 2 is for the trashcan.
... third comment Any movement around an axis that is not perfectly vertical will cause bending of the apparatus due to gravity, unless you rule that out by design, which is a very hard task. The proper way to do the experiment in a vertical setup is to set it up static, without any movement, and use the fact that the earth rotates (through aether), and watch for 24 hours.
All experiment 2 tells you is that gravity can bend parts of the apparatus in the nanometer scale.
The second experimet has only one purpose: To test the mechanical stability of the apparatus. If the pattern changes smoothly then thats just what you would expect with gravity and a non-existent aether. If the pattern displays any jumps, a mechanical connection somewhere is too weak or loose.
It shows that the guy in the video is drawing wrong conclusion and works on the assumption that the materials he used have infinite hardness, not more.
The 'God' particle cannot be found at the speed of light. Light 'rides' on the particle which moves at the speed of light squared at minimum. Therefore the particle cannot be found in this manner. It's like trying to find the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean with a whistle from the Sahara Desert. They search with the wrong tool. The science here is drama. The media provides smoke and mirrors. 100% theater. Like Global Warming, with a phony lab to 'prove' it.
@unassumption You assume I haven't read plenty of science text books. At least I'm not relying upon mainstream science exclusively. Text book science has to be re-written now that Darwin & Einstein's theories have been disproved. The Holographic Universe explains how science can now prove & explain what previously was considered impossible by the scientific community. And Easy Journey To Other Planets addresses this very issue of the search for a "God Particle", from a Hare Krishna perspective.
The recent Nobel prize went to scientists who proved the Universe is accelerating and expanding. Because of this fact, the Big Bang can not be true. If the universe accelerates then there is energy constantly being created to fuel that acceleration. The universe, therefore has a portal from which that fuel is continually supplied. A different beginning and a different model of understanding Time, Space and Matter is needed. The "God particle' cannot be found at the speed of Light. It is faster.
@unassumption The unseen spirits vibrate above the speed of light that's why they are invisible, if they lower their vibration below the speed of light they become visible.
Why discover Him in a particle when He is all around you in His creation that tries to communicate with you as an individual? Children see and understand this! You can either go on explaining Him trough endless mathematics or accept Him for all that He has to offer you?
@wilhelmbrakel They didn't. The particle explains why things have mass, which was before unexplainable (and therefore attributed to the supernatural, "god(s)") But now we have an explination, which makes God superfluous in this matter.
as he was before, it's not like there was a mechanism to get from a deity to mass. That said they will make 2 gaps where there was 1, like they do whenever a fossil is found, and ask where the Higgs-boson comes from or the natural laws. That's what I want to live long enough to see, a natural explanation of the laws themselves.
Understanding god through the world he created is something you are against?
You don't want to know about the world he made? Why hide your eyes from god's creation? Why not look for him in DNA and atoms and natural laws? Do you really think god is small enough to fit in 1 book? To be fully understood in all his glory by children? You underestimate god.
All things are held together by God's word which is power, light, vibrates like sound. All particles with mass extract their weight from the infinite acceleration of the light within them that's why the universe is going faster than the speed of light which can be amplified to whatever velocity the Creator deems. God portrays all creation like a curtain tent made of fabric made out of his powerful word which by the breath of his spirit he keeps stretching spreading.
@volound with out God their would have been no particles, it's the simple fact that every thing with in this universe must have a beginning,but yet you people have so much faith in science. Scientist still can't figure out whether light is a wave or a particle, then tell me how in the world can they debate about god?
I know, but creationists use mitochondrial 'eve' to fit their BS picture of the world. Search it on youtube the first results are from creationists. What we (or rather the press) call things sadly matters. I dislike how all science stories have to end up about politics or religion too, can't people enjoy science for it's own sake? I get how it's a fitting name but all science could be called 'god' because it displaces god, from F=MA through atoms and photons to DNA and urea
Maybe the scientists are trying to discover a portal to a different dimension and they are lying to the public saying that it is for a different reason. If people around the world knew that general knowledge is being controlled by evil dictators they would be able to see through the lies. I suggest reading books by Jim Marrs like "Rule of Secrecy". He also has youtube videos. Also, books by Fritz Springmeier regarding the Illuminati.
@unassumption You really need to get your head out of your ass before you start making comments that you think are intelligent. Do your research about the Illuminati. Maybe you are too afraid of what you might find out. You might find that the Illuminati have control of most christian churches and control the REAL knowledge of mankind. Your comments make me realize that maybe the elite are right when it comes to population control, go take another vaccine!
@fashionhistorylover I have heard that as well because Joseph Smith Jr was involved with the Masons at a young age but I believe he wasn't in the inner circle of the Masons which is where the powerful are. If he was in the inner circle, I don't think he would have sacrificed everything including his life just for a book.
@call2allah There's no evidence to suggest that everything haven't always existed in some form. As far as we know the universe could be eternal, without beginning.
@Seffyzero so why is it that the big bang theory which is globally accepted and this has a beginning and it also is mentioned as having to come to an end at some point
@call2allah The Big Bang is (probably) not the beginning of our universe. It's the beginning of the expansion of our universe, when time and mass was created. We don't know what was before that, if anything.
My point is that we don't know. As far as we know, the universe has always existed and always will. It probably wont always be the same, but it will still be around in SOME form.
Agreed on nothing in this universe being eternal. Something must be at some higher level though. Why a god though, I wonder? Natural laws seem so much more eternal, I can't think of a thing with a mind being forever or immutable. Guess it's a matter of opinion for now, unlike the big bang, as long as people accept thee facts and have an appreciation for the world all is cool.
@unassumption The universe isn't eternal it will implode in decay according to the eternal one and afterward he will renew it. He the eternal one isn't a creation nor part of it that's why he alone has always been present. He gives life to the universe that's why it can continue to live forever because of it's creator who alone has eternal power to sustain it.
Something must have always existed (if only natural laws, or alternatively god, or maybe both) but this universe we live in and it's time and matter began at a the big bang.
@unassumption I'm not saying that people should believe that the universe has always existed, I'm saying that we don't know. The universe might have been created at the big bang, it might not. There's no evidence to suggest either way, so making such assumptions is outright wrong - regardless of whether you believe the universe began with the big bang or not.
I get what you're saying - I think something always existed, though not this universe which is as likely to have begun with a big bang as the diversity of life is to have come from evolution. However I also get what it sounds like, what it will be twisted into, like the name 'god particle' itself.
As far as I understand it, time (in this universe) began at the big bang. I'm pretty sure that means it was the beginning of this universe.
people see a lot of patterns where they're not there - they say a lot of natural rock formations are footprints. We also miss a lot of patterns that are there too, or misatribute their causes. Just warning that how the mind works isn't always the best guide to how the world works.
Unsure how anyone who can watch the news can call this world beautiful, though it does have beauty in it.
More the evidence than whims or desires but whatever.
The results of the experiment were documented in Aotearoa-New Zealand in 1985, in the documentary 'The Quiet Earth.' Them Kiwis are all ahead of the curve, as usual.
@HighnRichChiller , I don't know with 100% certainty that there is no God. Just as I don't know with 100% certainty that there is no Shiva or Amen Ra. But there's absolutely no evidence for the existence of these beings. So just as I say that their is no Shiva or Amen Ra, I say that there is no Abrahamic God.
@knowthetruth1492 well i dont know if there is a god either, i havent seen him : D but nevertheless i believe in him, i know its hard to believe in god nowadays but u can try it, there is no more sense in this life than god
@HighnRichChiller , I give my own life purpose. I don't need some ancient book or an invisible man in the sky to tell me what I need to live for, and die for.
I don't know with 100% certainty that 2+2=4, A = A, F=MA, the civil war happened, the sun will rise in the morning, what i remember having for breakfast is what I had, or that my perceptions are an accurate guide to the world. However, the simplest, most coherent explanation for all the questions my experiences pose is all I have to guide me. The best answer, though imperfect, is still the best answer!
consciousness is the KEY !
boeboedada22 2 months ago
So... if there is no Aether and Tesla was wrong, then how come the Earth is being visited by flying saucers almost on a daily basis? What is their energy source? How can light propagate as a "wave" if there is no "medium"? How come the planet is still growing in size? How come gravity and acceleration be the same thing, and what is inertia? If there is no Aether we shouldn't be here. The Universe is kinetic and eternal. Most people can't understand this, so they create stupid "theories".
jatigre1 2 months ago 2
@annoloki Believing in God is stupid? That was rude. I was only respondin to an atheist who was offended by the name 'God paritcle.' If you believe that the religious person is always inherently wrong then make a study of it and leave me the hell alone. thanks
Kooshkff 2 months ago
These "scientists" are way behind Nassim Haramein.
Icureditwithmybrain 2 months ago
Let me explain to some Monkeys here: If someone has created us and in this case i'ts god that everyone is reffering to then i don't think we can come with idea's or solution how he created this whole system! we can explain the rules of nature and space and how it become t exist but not how it did exist!! Space or the universe is a Prison for us ! We can only talk and do thing with the rules god gave us! such as creation! the word creation is a rule that we have been given and nothing more ;)
Chup2015 2 months ago
George Washington made mention of the Illuminati in his letters. Check out the $1.00 American bill with the symbolism. Why are the pyramids aligned with the stars? Why do Hollywood movies have symbolism in them? Why is mind control being used on the public? Maybe the powerful elite are worried about knowledge and know that the only way to control knowledge is to limit it to the public, just like natural resources like oil and water.
Mormon4LIfe10 2 months ago
Until people really do study the knowledge that is being controlled to the mainstream public, we will continue to live in ignorance. Study the Skull and Bones society which John Kerry and George W Bush were part of. Study the powerful people who have dreamed of a New World Order to take out religion. Study how the powerful people are connected to pedophilia and homosexual activities. What about comments that have been made by those in power both in print and in video?
Mormon4LIfe10 2 months ago
Lol... "God Particle" funny stuff
piratebutty 2 months ago
time ti kiss religion bye bye
1080portal 2 months ago
Yeah. . .The Big bang created everything. . .expect for the two particles that had to collide at the speed of light to get the party started.
johnnytackle 2 months ago
Bah! I'm getting tired of all this round earther nonsense!
SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 2 months ago
So Higgs's Boson enters a church and the priest says: "You're not allowed in here, get out", then the Higg's Boson replies: "but without me, how can you have mass?" BUZZINGA
FreeeeS 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle' 7
comes from nothing
workingclasssociety 2 months ago
Causes black holes. Just saying.
zombiecatz 2 months ago
Rubbish!!! What will they do now after having found out that Neutrinos travel faster than Light, which means everything they based their speculative theories on is rubbish. The 20th century science relies on the belief that nothing can travel faster than light.
crunchy74 2 months ago
@crunchy74 good thing it's all a Theory eh? If it was some dogmatic doctrine sheesh
FreeeeS 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
Its called the Higgs Particle!!
anand308 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
Buzzword... BUZZWORD... BUUUUZZZZWWOOOOORRRRRDDDD!!! atom's and stuff and the big bang and the like... BUUUZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZWWWWOOOOOORRRRDDDD!!!!!!1
TheDebaser14 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
@kurtilein3 perhaps antitheist is a better word. atheists mind their own business :p
Kooshkff 2 months ago
@kurtilein3 very infrequent most of those. the media makes ir seem bigger than reality .its not worth a hate campaign.
Kooshkff 2 months ago
Wow like the first two pages of comments are replies.... CC-cc-cc-COMBO BREAKER!!!!!
mdson123 2 months ago 4
#GodSpeed...lol..
I bet the Ancient Egyptians knew what a God Partical was..
mrbigyooo 2 months ago
god particle, my ass.
yourtreat2 2 months ago
also makes a good death star =-)
"Star Wars" for all those who have no fucking idea what im talking about .
oicub2 2 months ago
I was soo hoping physics would be turned upside down again by a new discovery! darn...
Wolfsbane909 2 months ago
why do athist get wet over something like this dose it really prove no god ! it took a billion of dallors to rmake pluse some of the smarts people in science to do and ur telling me this was happining in the vacum of no space in time becouse we all no the before the big bag or at the momment of it that time matter was eather not thier or assembled after it or how did it all came togather at that momment or was it the only time that it happend if anything it proves thiers a god i think
lasboor2006 2 months ago
finally they can calculate the mass of my penis
SpitOnYourPalm 2 months ago
Stupid naming.
Cab0cl0 2 months ago
and since light has mass , it would explain why they had been accelerated faster than their average speed of..299 792 458 m / s which means some stars and plantes are probably closer and some further away than based to consent.
zanaelf 2 months ago
Light has mass, photons have mass if they did not , light would not bend around the gravity of planets light years away in their discovery. When you have mass you have gravity.
zanaelf 2 months ago
derka derka
Mrmantisman1 2 months ago
@Mrmantisman1 derp
zanaelf 2 months ago
They have found nothing, save a few bent numbers.
@rhnofal don't let your ego talk you into saying for certain you are certain.
This entire saga is full of certainties. For instance, atoms are solid objects, right?
WaxingRadiance 2 months ago
They put god into science to appease idiotic politicians for funding.
KinsMap 2 months ago 30
@KinsMap whats your source of your claim?
armitage4 2 months ago
@KinsMap
Its hilarious how offended atheists get at a meaningless title, but it's just amazing that nobody sees the hypocrisy. :P
Kooshkff 2 months ago
@Kooshkff It seems to be the religious that don't like the name
annoloki 2 months ago
@annoloki
Are you sure about that? Read the rest of the comments :P
Kooshkff 2 months ago
@Kooshkff I read quite a few, I can't see anything you might be referring to on a quick look but tbh, I'm not gonna spend ages reading everything in search of ignorant comments. Fact is "God particle" is short for "God damn hard to find particle", and anybody offended by it is both stupid and ignorant of that fact. Just because believing in god is stupid doesn't mean that somebody who doesn't believe in god is automatically clever. I don't think anyone's claiming that.
annoloki 2 months ago
@KinsMap Erm, no, "god particle" is short for "god damn hard to find particle". It has nothing to do with god, it's just an expression of things that are difficult to find.
annoloki 2 months ago 26
@annoloki cern has gone into "god mode" lol
zanaelf 2 months ago
@annoloki Or don't exist... (troll face)
ElijahCheWhite 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
@ElijahCheWhite We prefer to use the term "make believe" ;-)
annoloki 2 months ago
@annoloki actually it does...
i'm still trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or not
hitmonlee00 2 months ago
@KinsMap
they didnt, the press did to sell papers
unassumption 2 months ago
@KinsMap Most politicians avoid the topic of religion as much as possible because it is a sensitive area. You more then likely have it the other way. Most groups who financially fund stuff like this, particularly fund stuff that can help debunk religions and such beliefs.
0Maloy1 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
@KinsMap Actually the name "God Particle" exists because Leon Lederman's editor would not let him publish it as "Goddamn Particle"
ThisMemory 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
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@KinsMap Actually the name "God Particle" exists because Leon Lederman's editor would not let him publish it as "Goddamn Particle."
ThisMemory 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
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@KinsMap Actually the name "God Particle" exists because Leon Lederman's editor would not let him publish it as "Godd**n Particle."
ThisMemory 2 months ago in playlist Scientists glimpse the 'God Particle'
@KinsMap whatever helps you sleep better.
firefrostpeacemaker 2 months ago
@KinsMap please.. the world "god" have different meaning for different people.
novazee 2 months ago
@KinsMap How sure are you?Do you have evidence about that?The scientist are not fools to fool around with people and they know stuff which you and i rarely know!
alienkishorekumar 2 months ago
“Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty -- some most unsure, some nearly sure, none absolutely certain.”
― Richard P. Feynman
bozolazic 2 months ago
@bozolazic that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard
Feynman was born the early 1900 and a lot has happened sense then and a lot was know for certain even before he was born.
we know for certain that the earth is round and we know that the DNA holds the genetic information we know alot of things for certain
rhnofal 2 months ago
@rhnofal Yes, we have advanced.But on the other hand...
“If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.”
― Richard P. Feynman
“One thing I have learned in a long life: that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike -- and yet it is the most precious thing we have.”
― Albert Einstein
P.S--The earth is not round.And "DNA holds the genetic information" is a blanket truth.?
What about the 98% of DNA that's so-called junk
bozolazic 2 months ago
@bozolazic are you really saying that there is nothing is science that is certain.
i know that u like to copy and paste a lot of quotes of google but is that really your believe?
and yes i know the the earth is not round its technically egg shaped my point is that we know that for sure and the DNA does hold the genetic code. there are 20k-25k genes in humans and they are all in the DNA i didn't say that all of the DNA is composed of genes and these are just examples i can give u more if u want
rhnofal 2 months ago
@rhnofal A true scientist, even today, will tell you that they don't deal in certainty.They are the 99%! PS---The earth is not technically egg shaped.
“Out yonder there is this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking”
― Albert Einstein
Peace and Godspeed.
bozolazic 2 months ago
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@bozolazic i still disagree with u but there is no point in arguing so peace and godspeed to u 2
rhnofal 2 months ago
ALL HAIL
lovetohate028 2 months ago
The word God particle almost gave me a heart attack
Toqeertunio 2 months ago
Please dont call it god particle, because that just confuses everyone.
Its discovery will close a gap in our naturalistic understanding of reality, which in fact makes all religion a bit more unneeded to explain reality. So calling it the god-killer particle would be just as accurate.
Because its so hard to detect that scientists couldnt find it in decades, many also call it the goddamn particle.
But serious news media should call it the higgs boson.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@kurtilein3
Discovering a particle will do nothing of the sort. They should do a case study on antitheists to find out what is REALLY driving their hatred.
Kooshkff 2 months ago
@Kooshkff
Antitheists are expressing the reasons why they dont like religion all the time, continuously, and most of them are honest about it, also when you look at what they say the same reasons come up again and again.
Also, i dont hate religion, i view it as a doctor might view the virus causing AIDS. Its about finding out what hurts the virus and what helps the virus, about learning, understanding and research on how to best defeat it. And hate doesnt help in that.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@Kooshkff
a few examples of why antitheists decide to fight religion, that come up again and again and again:
Catholics: homophobia, sexism, stance towards condoms/birth control, corruption, child abuse.
Islam: homophobia, sexism, violent jihad, death penalty for non-violent crimes, suicide terrorism.
Scientology/other cults: ripping apart families, driving people into suicide, financially exploiting people, psychologically enslaving people.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@kurtilein3
just look in the comments section of this very video for enough reasons to fight. Pure ignorance incarnate. Protestants are as bad as Catholics. All right wing religious groups have a kiddie fiddling problem, Catholics are just the ones that got found out about the most. Some Catholics set bombs in Ireland, some Catholics supported Hitler and Franco and fascist regimes in South America, most followers and priests don't though. Ignorance is the biggest damage it causes.
unassumption 2 months ago
Looks like science is going to win again......... mhmmm
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TheMankindopinion 2 months ago
So is this particle alive? Or its just some force you know nothing about but claiming its gawd?
Hillsillverr 2 months ago
@Hillsillverr
"God particle" is just a very incorrect label that mainstream media attached to it. it decays so fast and is so hard to detect that some scientists call it the goddamn particle, which is more fitting. Its official scientific name is the higgs boson.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
As a ludite I prefer child poverty as the great unresolved god particle.It appears the question is quality of life rather than the quantity of useless pricey contraptions like nuclear bombs.
humaner 2 months ago
God particle should be called the Expensive particle.
humaner 2 months ago
@humaner
All technology relies on fundamental research like this. It's called investment.
unassumption 2 months ago
The Illuminati would love to do MK-ULTRA stuff on God. It's not like they are going to become more humble through this discovery. Remember how 'liberated' the world would be w/personal home computers? Who do you think will own this? The 1%. Nuts.
ArgotMay 2 months ago
@ArgotMay No one takes you seriously because you said the Illuminati.
owingawat 2 months ago
@owingawat
He got you to say it too ;)
now no one can take you srsly :O
unassumption 2 months ago
Isn't in the "Big bang" just a theory? They are spending all this money in something they know it'll never work or show any results. Meanwhile you can check a few surviving text books that show that Tesla was able to come up with the answer for mass, gravity and inertia (the Aether) and how to generate and broadcast wireless power.
jatigre1 2 months ago
@jatigre1
it's just a theory in the way germ theory or the theory of gravity is.
Fundamental research often leads to technology that couldn't be predicted as a result of it at the time. When Faraday was asked what the point of science was he replied 'what is the point of a baby' for a reason, it might not do much work now but it'll grow up to do something, we don't know what yet.
The aether? It doesn't fit all the evidence. That's why like phlogestrron it was dropped.
unassumption 2 months ago
@jatigre1
when someone says "just a theory" you immediately know that person knows NOTHING about science. The existence of the aether has been disproven experimentally again and again and again, with higher and higher precision.
Tesla did some good science, but much of what he did was just speculation and has since been disproven. Science didnt sleep after teslas death, but it seems you had your head buried deep in the sand since that time.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@kurtilein3 It's just a theory.
UniversalHourglass 2 months ago
@kurtilein3 . you win the Dawin intelligence award today m8. the Aether has Never been diss-proven. in fact far from it. Einstein never discounted its reality and Gale, Sagnac and Michelson all found evidence for its existence. You should check your facts and read the original papers before harping on repeating the same old popular science drivel party line
pixelspring 2 months ago
@pixelspring
My physics professors say otherwise, the books about physics i read say otherwise, both popular science books and professional physics textbooks, they all say that there is an experiment which has been repeated again and again that disproves the existence of the aether. Its called the Michelson–Morley experiment, and is the most famous experiment ever done in physics that had a negative result; we learned more from this failure than from any other failure.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@pixelspring
also, i would like to add that you know NOTHING about science, you only know how to put nonsense into scientifically-sounding language. You think referencing papers while claiming they say the opposite of what they actually say works to further your nonsensical argument. Well, that works with other ignorant people, but not with people that studied these experiments and the conclusions drawn from them.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@kurtilein3 - listen twitlicks . you dont know that i have a masters degree in physics do you. AND a doctorate in Mechanical Engineering so instead of jumping to conclusions why not just STFU dumbass (see i can shout in caps too and be just as rude as you). Instead of thinking you know something by believing in what you have been told by your 'professors' if you do your own research you will be surprised by what you find. its called statistical relevance.
pixelspring 2 months ago
@kurtilein3 Please watch here on YouTube: Extended Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment. English version
jatigre1 2 months ago
@jatigre1
I finally watched it, sorry that it took me so long. The first experiment is good, the second one adds systemic mistakes. Its not a new discovery at all. It only shows that gravity pulling or pushing against different parts of the apparatus fucks up the results. I bet if you build it more sturdy, the differences will be reduced.
You do it horizontally, so that gravity doesnt bend your apparatus. second comment needed.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@jatigre1
... second comment You do it horizontally, and because you want to study the existence or non-existence of aether, you choose a time of day when the movement of earth around the sun is most rapid in the horizontal direction. To keep it perfectly horizontal you can have the whole device float in mercury, or on an precisely controlled air cushion. The conclusions in the video you asked me to watch are just totally wrong. Experiment 1 is good, number 2 is for the trashcan.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@jatigre1
... third comment Any movement around an axis that is not perfectly vertical will cause bending of the apparatus due to gravity, unless you rule that out by design, which is a very hard task. The proper way to do the experiment in a vertical setup is to set it up static, without any movement, and use the fact that the earth rotates (through aether), and watch for 24 hours.
All experiment 2 tells you is that gravity can bend parts of the apparatus in the nanometer scale.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
@jatigre1
... 4th and final comment
The second experimet has only one purpose: To test the mechanical stability of the apparatus. If the pattern changes smoothly then thats just what you would expect with gravity and a non-existent aether. If the pattern displays any jumps, a mechanical connection somewhere is too weak or loose.
It shows that the guy in the video is drawing wrong conclusion and works on the assumption that the materials he used have infinite hardness, not more.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
Amassing knowledge about the origin of mass... what an awful choice of words
jsymons1985 2 months ago
@jsymons1985
Was the pun intended or not?
unassumption 2 months ago
The 'God' particle cannot be found at the speed of light. Light 'rides' on the particle which moves at the speed of light squared at minimum. Therefore the particle cannot be found in this manner. It's like trying to find the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean with a whistle from the Sahara Desert. They search with the wrong tool. The science here is drama. The media provides smoke and mirrors. 100% theater. Like Global Warming, with a phony lab to 'prove' it.
MrJoeyBoombotz 2 months ago
@MrJoeyBoombotz
keep disagreeing with 90% of scientists while using the technology they give you.
unassumption 2 months ago
Scientists: please read The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot & Easy Journey To Other Planets. All particles are "God particles".
seanwalsh1111 2 months ago
@seanwalsh1111
conspiracy theorists, please read an actual science textbook
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption You assume I haven't read plenty of science text books. At least I'm not relying upon mainstream science exclusively. Text book science has to be re-written now that Darwin & Einstein's theories have been disproved. The Holographic Universe explains how science can now prove & explain what previously was considered impossible by the scientific community. And Easy Journey To Other Planets addresses this very issue of the search for a "God Particle", from a Hare Krishna perspective.
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unassumption 2 months ago
The recent Nobel prize went to scientists who proved the Universe is accelerating and expanding. Because of this fact, the Big Bang can not be true. If the universe accelerates then there is energy constantly being created to fuel that acceleration. The universe, therefore has a portal from which that fuel is continually supplied. A different beginning and a different model of understanding Time, Space and Matter is needed. The "God particle' cannot be found at the speed of Light. It is faster.
MrJoeyBoombotz 2 months ago
@MrJoeyBoombotz
The acceleration is faster than the speed of light too - does that also 'disprove' einstein's theories?
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption The unseen spirits vibrate above the speed of light that's why they are invisible, if they lower their vibration below the speed of light they become visible.
CristoYcruz 2 months ago
@CristoYcruz
obviously all evidence for your position has to be undetectable <_<
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption The invisible realm has weight too like the visible realm but the invisible realm is vibrating at a greater velocity.
CristoYcruz 2 months ago
@CristoYcruz
the invisible and the non-existent look very much alike, its easy to confuse them.
kurtilein3 2 months ago
I despise the term "God particle", and especially the implication that physicists actually call it that.
ryanwilk0 2 months ago
@ryanwilk0
As I despise 'mitochondrial eve' and the insinuation biologists call the last common maternal ancestor that ;)
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption The eternal number is one, for he alone is one.
CristoYcruz 2 months ago
ultimaton?
Eaglejorge 2 months ago
Why discover Him in a particle when He is all around you in His creation that tries to communicate with you as an individual? Children see and understand this! You can either go on explaining Him trough endless mathematics or accept Him for all that He has to offer you?
wilhelmbrakel 2 months ago
@wilhelmbrakel They didn't. The particle explains why things have mass, which was before unexplainable (and therefore attributed to the supernatural, "god(s)") But now we have an explination, which makes God superfluous in this matter.
Seffyzero 2 months ago
@Seffyzero
as he was before, it's not like there was a mechanism to get from a deity to mass. That said they will make 2 gaps where there was 1, like they do whenever a fossil is found, and ask where the Higgs-boson comes from or the natural laws. That's what I want to live long enough to see, a natural explanation of the laws themselves.
unassumption 2 months ago
@wilhelmbrakel
Understanding god through the world he created is something you are against?
You don't want to know about the world he made? Why hide your eyes from god's creation? Why not look for him in DNA and atoms and natural laws? Do you really think god is small enough to fit in 1 book? To be fully understood in all his glory by children? You underestimate god.
unassumption 2 months ago
All things are held together by God's word which is power, light, vibrates like sound. All particles with mass extract their weight from the infinite acceleration of the light within them that's why the universe is going faster than the speed of light which can be amplified to whatever velocity the Creator deems. God portrays all creation like a curtain tent made of fabric made out of his powerful word which by the breath of his spirit he keeps stretching spreading.
CristoYcruz 2 months ago
@CristoYcruz
Wow I thought people were joking when they said there are people who think mass comes from god. sadly you prove them right =/
unassumption 2 months ago
you see! no need for a bloodthirsty bronzed-age myth.
Reality is far more awesome than the impoverished imagination of the bible/quran
itsasin1969 2 months ago
Calling it the god particle is a bit ludicrous. They call themselves scientists?
youngbuck189 2 months ago
@youngbuck189
the press calls it the god particle, the scientists call it the Higgs-Boson.
Fuck the press making people think the scientists are dumb enough to call it that.
unassumption 2 months ago
WAAAT? This is terrible reporting, "god particle", gimme a brake.
vibrohm 2 months ago
interesting
muslim1ahmed 2 months ago
@muslim1ahmed definitely. its nice to see mass can manifest on its own without needing to appeal to the supernatural.
no longer need a god for that now, right? :(
and as this gap is filled like all before it... god recedes further into even smaller gaps.
volound 2 months ago
@volound
The people who believe mass comes from god will keep saying it - like they still say the diversity of life or gravity come from god.
unassumption 2 months ago
@volound with out God their would have been no particles, it's the simple fact that every thing with in this universe must have a beginning,but yet you people have so much faith in science. Scientist still can't figure out whether light is a wave or a particle, then tell me how in the world can they debate about god?
muslim1ahmed 2 months ago
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@muslim1ahmed "with out God their would have been no particles"
assertion.
"it's the simple fact that every thing with in this universe must have a beginning"
except god.
"but yet you people have so much faith in science"
science has a track record for being accurate. no faith is necessary. tentative trust is all that is required.
"Scientist still can't figure out whether light is a wave or a particle"
LOL.
you people never come up with anything original.
volound 2 months ago
MASS. NOT GOD. MASS.
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption its called the god particle because it fills the gap previously attributed to god (mass ex nihilo).
its not called the god particle because it proves god exists, quite the opposite.
its like the "mitochondrial eve".
volound 2 months ago
@volound
I know, but creationists use mitochondrial 'eve' to fit their BS picture of the world. Search it on youtube the first results are from creationists. What we (or rather the press) call things sadly matters. I dislike how all science stories have to end up about politics or religion too, can't people enjoy science for it's own sake? I get how it's a fitting name but all science could be called 'god' because it displaces god, from F=MA through atoms and photons to DNA and urea
unassumption 2 months ago
These stupid fucks.. when they find it they will fuck up the Universe. The Greys will come for them if they keep putting this world in jeopardy.
imarketingprofessor 2 months ago
@imarketingprofessor
poe I hope
unassumption 2 months ago
@imarketingprofessor
best to understand the universe enough to build weapons to fight the 'greys' if they are coming for us ;)
unassumption 2 months ago
Maybe the scientists are trying to discover a portal to a different dimension and they are lying to the public saying that it is for a different reason. If people around the world knew that general knowledge is being controlled by evil dictators they would be able to see through the lies. I suggest reading books by Jim Marrs like "Rule of Secrecy". He also has youtube videos. Also, books by Fritz Springmeier regarding the Illuminati.
Mormon4LIfe10 2 months ago 2
@Mormon4LIfe10
that this has 2 thumbs up shakes my faith in humanity.
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption
I thumb up to your shaken faith in humanity. We're going into a dark age, whether those of us who prefer reason like it or not.
Di0genesus 2 months ago
@unassumption You really need to get your head out of your ass before you start making comments that you think are intelligent. Do your research about the Illuminati. Maybe you are too afraid of what you might find out. You might find that the Illuminati have control of most christian churches and control the REAL knowledge of mankind. Your comments make me realize that maybe the elite are right when it comes to population control, go take another vaccine!
Mormon4LIfe10 2 months ago
@Mormon4LIfe10 You do know that some people say that Joseph smith the founder of the Mormon Church was part of the Illuminati as well.
fashionhistorylover 2 months ago
@fashionhistorylover I have heard that as well because Joseph Smith Jr was involved with the Masons at a young age but I believe he wasn't in the inner circle of the Masons which is where the powerful are. If he was in the inner circle, I don't think he would have sacrificed everything including his life just for a book.
Mormon4LIfe10 2 months ago
this is all bullshit, (MARKO RODIN) check him out............ peace.
thesokable 2 months ago
there has to be a Creator
no one thinks that footprints in a beach came by chance
so the beauty and perfection in the known universe didn't also come randomly
those who deny wish to follow their own whims and desires
call2allah 2 months ago
@call2allah , If you agree that intelligence can only come from a creator, then who created your intelligent creator?
knowthetruth1492 2 months ago
@knowthetruth1492 know one that's why he is called the creator
cause he aint created, the moment he is created he is no the longer the creator
hes just a creation
call2allah 2 months ago
@call2allah D'oh! lololol
xPEACHxEATERx 2 months ago
@call2allah But some creations can also create, and are also called creators. Thus, some creators are created. Basic logic, 101.
Seffyzero 2 months ago
@Seffyzero that obvious
someone can be a creator and creation
where as the creator is just the creator. period
but if u keep going back on that trail, will u ever get a creator or beginning
science says something cant come from nothing
call2allah 2 months ago
@call2allah There's no evidence to suggest that everything haven't always existed in some form. As far as we know the universe could be eternal, without beginning.
Seffyzero 2 months ago
@Seffyzero so why is it that the big bang theory which is globally accepted and this has a beginning and it also is mentioned as having to come to an end at some point
so even this has a beginning an end
brother nothing is this universe is eternal
what comes to life will die
like everything in this universe
u and i and all life around us
call2allah 2 months ago
@call2allah The Big Bang is (probably) not the beginning of our universe. It's the beginning of the expansion of our universe, when time and mass was created. We don't know what was before that, if anything.
My point is that we don't know. As far as we know, the universe has always existed and always will. It probably wont always be the same, but it will still be around in SOME form.
Seffyzero 2 months ago
@call2allah
Agreed on nothing in this universe being eternal. Something must be at some higher level though. Why a god though, I wonder? Natural laws seem so much more eternal, I can't think of a thing with a mind being forever or immutable. Guess it's a matter of opinion for now, unlike the big bang, as long as people accept thee facts and have an appreciation for the world all is cool.
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption The universe isn't eternal it will implode in decay according to the eternal one and afterward he will renew it. He the eternal one isn't a creation nor part of it that's why he alone has always been present. He gives life to the universe that's why it can continue to live forever because of it's creator who alone has eternal power to sustain it.
CristoYcruz 2 months ago
@Seffyzero
Something must have always existed (if only natural laws, or alternatively god, or maybe both) but this universe we live in and it's time and matter began at a the big bang.
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption There's no evidence to suggest that the universe literally began at the big bang.
Seffyzero 2 months ago
@Seffyzero
This reminds me of the 'there's no evidence against god so why not just believe it' argument... just saying =/
unassumption 2 months ago
@unassumption I'm not saying that people should believe that the universe has always existed, I'm saying that we don't know. The universe might have been created at the big bang, it might not. There's no evidence to suggest either way, so making such assumptions is outright wrong - regardless of whether you believe the universe began with the big bang or not.
Seffyzero 2 months ago
@Seffyzero
I get what you're saying - I think something always existed, though not this universe which is as likely to have begun with a big bang as the diversity of life is to have come from evolution. However I also get what it sounds like, what it will be twisted into, like the name 'god particle' itself.
As far as I understand it, time (in this universe) began at the big bang. I'm pretty sure that means it was the beginning of this universe.
unassumption 2 months ago
@knowthetruth1492
"that's a childish question"
"it's been asked 1000s of times"
"You don't understand our position!"
I can see the politician's answers coming already =/
Though scientists seem to do the same with 'where do natural laws come from,' wish they'd say 'we don't know... yet' instead.
unassumption 2 months ago
@call2allah
people see a lot of patterns where they're not there - they say a lot of natural rock formations are footprints. We also miss a lot of patterns that are there too, or misatribute their causes. Just warning that how the mind works isn't always the best guide to how the world works.
Unsure how anyone who can watch the news can call this world beautiful, though it does have beauty in it.
More the evidence than whims or desires but whatever.
unassumption 2 months ago
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thesokable 2 months ago
Been there; done that.
The results of the experiment were documented in Aotearoa-New Zealand in 1985, in the documentary 'The Quiet Earth.' Them Kiwis are all ahead of the curve, as usual.
julianchosun 2 months ago
There is no God. Get over it.
knowthetruth1492 2 months ago
@knowthetruth1492 how do you know???
HighnRichChiller 2 months ago
@HighnRichChiller , I don't know with 100% certainty that there is no God. Just as I don't know with 100% certainty that there is no Shiva or Amen Ra. But there's absolutely no evidence for the existence of these beings. So just as I say that their is no Shiva or Amen Ra, I say that there is no Abrahamic God.
knowthetruth1492 2 months ago
@knowthetruth1492 well i dont know if there is a god either, i havent seen him : D but nevertheless i believe in him, i know its hard to believe in god nowadays but u can try it, there is no more sense in this life than god
HighnRichChiller 2 months ago
@HighnRichChiller , I give my own life purpose. I don't need some ancient book or an invisible man in the sky to tell me what I need to live for, and die for.
knowthetruth1492 2 months ago
@knowthetruth1492 well then good luck, i hope you make it
HighnRichChiller 2 months ago
@HighnRichChiller well if everyone gives there own life purposes than i guess everyone can do whatever they want
humanity wont last a day
there are man made laws of earth ppl follow for own social stability
but reject to follow the law of god
call2allah 2 months ago
@HighnRichChiller at least u gave it a thought
most ppl just reject blindly but keep an open eye for everything else
call2allah 2 months ago
@knowthetruth1492
I don't know with 100% certainty that 2+2=4, A = A, F=MA, the civil war happened, the sun will rise in the morning, what i remember having for breakfast is what I had, or that my perceptions are an accurate guide to the world. However, the simplest, most coherent explanation for all the questions my experiences pose is all I have to guide me. The best answer, though imperfect, is still the best answer!
unassumption 2 months ago