Macca does not use Jazz chords or a Jazz progression with which the other Beatles, most notably George Harrison, were unfamiliar. The "chord progression," C,D,A, D, GMaj7, A#7+9, B#Maj7th A7th, is a good deal less sophisticated than "It Won't Be Long," let alone "Julia," "I want to Tell You," Something," etc.
Macca does not use Jazz chords or a Jazz progressions any more sophisticated than those used by John Lennon, and especially George Harrison. The time shifts and modulations of "Not Guilty" alone make Macca's contribution here a mere pleasing triffle. Harrison's post-Beatles "Learning How to Love You" settles the case as to who among the Beatles had the most sophisticated harmonic vocabulary.
I dont think Paul sings it better than Cilla. He wrote it with her in mind and her voice is simply surperb on it. He did the same with 'Goodbye' and Mary Hopkin. His version of that is not as good either. And it wasnt meant to be. He wrote both songs with female voices in mind. I am a big Beatles fan since 1962, but imo Cilla and Mary are the definitive versions, which is exactly what Paul intended
@ROVINATO lets see you do it, its not that its hard, this is easy for him its very barely higher than his the note that he talks with. Paul has a tremendous vocal range that probably never ends
I love this. Even the reharsels were great. I bet that if the Beatles would have recorded this song it would have been another classic. It sounds just fantastic. Gotta love it!
@mcainiac , what an idiotic statement. Harrison had a much more "sophisticated" musical vocabulary, as Something to Learning How to Love You demonstrate.
What you take as "sophisticated" is nothing but a standard folk-pop progression, (D, C, G, D, A7) replete with simple major and seventh chords. Ooooo Weee. "Truly Amazing?" Only for slavish Macca fans. and those who have neither had musical training nor ever picked up a guitar and learned "chord progressions." Take a hike.
@drooghound, you are certainly "off," in that you claim that this "is certainly sophisticated by 60s beat standards" is ridiculous, given that the "chord progression," C,D,A, D, GMaj7, A#7+9, B#Maj7th A7th, is a good deal less sophisticated than "It Won't Be Long," let alone "Julia," "I want to Tell You," Something," etc. LAUGHABLE is the claim that this Macca trifle is akin to or influenced by Antônio Jobim. Harrison's "Learning How to Love You" yes, Macca's? Only for those off on a hike.
Oh, we don't have to pay attention to you. You can't even spell "suffers" correctly. That's because you're an illiterate high school dropout, an unemployed bum, a racist, and a retard most "easily C-O-N-F-U-S-E-D" by that activity called, SPELLING CORRECTLY and using GRAMMAR. After all, you're the nimrod who grapples with "gramar" (SIC) and gets his ass whupped by that abstruse "probaebly" (SIC).
There's the curb. Throw yourself toward it after fetching my slippers, bitch.
Do you mean, "CONFUSED," as in, "CaptainSpaulding is most confused when called to think clearly, spell correctly, and compose in standard English." Ti's the fate of a hapless virgin and racist dimwit who flunked out of high school. No wonder you gravitate to those utterly lacking gravitas, like CAIN, or PERRY, or PALIN.
Now go pleasure yourself to your wheelchair fetish, as is your wont.
at the time of this song, no, Harrison couldn't have come close, I dont give a fuck what MrAssmuncher has to say. Although, later, yes, George did (from his Indian musical "training" ) evolve as a "sophisticated" songwriter or what ever the fuck chrord progression really lifts your skirt up...Back from my hike!
@mcainiac@mcainiac, as one who chooses ignoble ignorance over knowledge, you "couldn't come close" to giving a valid analysis of Harrison's or any of the Beatles' musical abilities. The proof? You don't give a "fuck" about musical vocabulary. DIMWIT: chord progressions/configurations indicate the RANGE of a composer's abilities. Harrison was already a superior composer on this account even BEFORE his tutelage under Shankaar.You are still on a "hike" to ignorance. Good luck with that, fuckwit.
@MrAngemystere - Pardon me for butting in, but I'm just a little curious about what you're saying here. You seem to be saying that a composer's worth can be judged by the variety of different types of chord s/he uses; in other words, that harmonic complexity is the measure of greatness. On that account, Jean Barraque is better than Beethoven. I respectfully disagree, and I also think that this whole sorry-ass game of saying that X is 'superior' to Y illuminates the music in no way at all.
@lexo30, pardon me for responding to the obvious, but mcainiac made an unfounded claim that the egregiously overrated Macca was the more "sophisticated" musician. This is patently untrue. If you want to argue that you prefer to listen to Macca because his melodies (or whatever other subjective measure) please you more, then I have no argument. And yes, harmonic complexity is indeed a criteria for musical worth, but by no means the sole measure. Read the argument more closely, and then respond.
@mcainiac, you compound your musical ignorance with historical ignorance. Your claim about the supposed effects of Harrison's tuteledge fail on the musical evidence, but it also fails chronologically. Harrison began his work with Shankaar BEFORE the India sojourn and the White Album recording sessions.
Still very much on the hike to ignorance, eh fuckwit? You must be a conservative: only a benighted sort would hold to his/her ignorant, intellectually dessicated nincompoopery in spite of facts.
@mcainiac - Let's be reasonable. Harrison didn't have anything like the level of encouragement and reinforcement that McCartney and Lennon had (from each other but also from the world). The fact that he became a major songwriter at all is almost more of a miracle than the fact that they did it first. I personally think that Harrison's lessons from Shankar didn't do his songwriting any good because he could never hope to write in that idiom - although it gave rise to maybe 2 good songs.
@lexo30, let's not be "reasonable." Let's be ACCURATE and TRUTHFUL. One: Harrison did not enter a tutelage to learn to compose western pop songs. Harrison studied under Shankar to learn INDIAN CLASSICAL MUSIC and the proper technique for the Sitar. Again, you make claims about what Harrison without "a hope to write in that idiom": music theory and history. Who cares what YOU think are "2 good songs?" You have demonstrated neither musical knowledge nor a grasp of Beatles' history.
@MrAngemystere - You're clearly an insane troll, and so I can't be bothered to read your replies all the way through, so I am a fortiori disinclined to respond to them in detail. Bye.
@lexo30, and you are clearly and INANE tool, and so I won't explain to you (again) how you have used a term incorrectly ("fortiori" this time) and how you are "disinclined" to think clearly, prioritize the facts appropriately, use language clearly, and thus make a coherent, logically valid argument. But then, you can't riposte as the arguments made against your position are airtight: FACTUALLY BASED.
A la prochaine fois, monsieur le bête comme ses pieds...
@mcainiac The 2 good songs being 'Love You To' and 'Within You Without You'. I have never been able to listen to 'The Inner Light' all the way through. If George's Indian adventure did him any good as a musician, I think it was in making him a better guitar player. It may also have helped raise the visibility of Indian musics in the West. But for some reason I keep thinking about Mike Scott's appropriation and, IMO, dilution of Irish traditional music.
@lexo30@lexo30, "two good songs": the sole 2 Harrison put on Beatle albums in the WM idiom. Well that's quite a dialectical argument. As for "appropriation," all western pop music is a series of colonialist "appropriations," from minstrelsy to the Zep. The exponential difference in Harrison's case: he submitted himself as a STUDENT to a NON-WESTERN MASTER (a symbolic gesture of immense proportions given England's imperial past), and ACKNOWLEDGED his sources. Drop the faux Postmodernisms.
@lexo30, the melody in the verses "Night and Day" is not what makes the song "great"and it is by no means "one of the greatest songs ever written"but rather Cole Porter's CHORD PROGRESSION under the melody, which provides shading and nuance, and thus the beguiling piece. Cut with the BAROQUE (note the correct spelling) sophistry. The false premise here is this Macca trifle is somehow harmonically "superior" to what George and John could do, a demonstrably FALSE proposition.
jmitch30tube, what "escalated pretty quickly" was a person's pretentions to knowledge and yet sloveny reasoning. The argument was never about music moving one solely on a visceral level, which everything from Beatles to Prince, from Duke Ellington to Outkast, and from Stravinsky to Wynton Marsalis can and does do.
The clash is over the demonstrably false statement that Macca's fluffery here is more "sophisticated" harmonically than George and John's oeuvre. This is demonstrably false. Period
This is the BBC's Sounds of the Sixties 'Beatles A to Z song for the week starting 11th April 2009. The history of thid song can be heard for 1week after the broadcast date by going to the Sounds of the Sixties site. It is about 35 mins into the prog
Four. Four spazzing responses from Blankfrack. Ah, the little fat legless fuck must have found the Christmas candy early !
CaptainSpauIding 3 months ago
it sounds kind of like elevator music if you think about it
Cornllama 3 months ago
wooof.. wonder what they were smokin' when they laid down the percussion....
( poss Paul on his own?) GREAT Guitar chords, tho.. reveals he may have
been listening to Jobim or other Brazilian stuff.. these are Jazz chords, really...
I think he may have been doing this a bit tongue-in-cheek.. shame he didn't
treat it a bit more seriously.. nice lil' tune...
timjmoran 4 months ago
@timjmoran:
Macca does not use Jazz chords or a Jazz progression with which the other Beatles, most notably George Harrison, were unfamiliar. The "chord progression," C,D,A, D, GMaj7, A#7+9, B#Maj7th A7th, is a good deal less sophisticated than "It Won't Be Long," let alone "Julia," "I want to Tell You," Something," etc.
MrAngemystere 3 months ago
Sounds like there's a very sophisticated horse dancing along.. lol clop clop clop
Chaseoman 5 months ago
LOVE.
msveromac 5 months ago
Brilliant piece of songwriting by McCartney, written with an urbane sophistication neither Lennon nor Harrison could hope to match.
portcreditdave 8 months ago 3
@portcreditdave:
@timjmoran:
Macca does not use Jazz chords or a Jazz progressions any more sophisticated than those used by John Lennon, and especially George Harrison. The time shifts and modulations of "Not Guilty" alone make Macca's contribution here a mere pleasing triffle. Harrison's post-Beatles "Learning How to Love You" settles the case as to who among the Beatles had the most sophisticated harmonic vocabulary.
Respectfully,
Ange
MrAngemystere 3 months ago
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karlvorderman 9 months ago
Never heard this before. Thanks!!!!! Paul's great. He should sing jazz.
viewdemonde 9 months ago
Even their outtakes are better than anyone else's best songs !!
LODGE4444 10 months ago
We're not viewing your videos - just enjoying the music while surfing other pages on the net. :) But thanks for the audio, it's great!
Amysupport 10 months ago
snapple cap percussion
octohelpme 1 year ago 3
Paul does this alot better than Cilla. :))
Beatlelover7 1 year ago 4
I dont think Paul sings it better than Cilla. He wrote it with her in mind and her voice is simply surperb on it. He did the same with 'Goodbye' and Mary Hopkin. His version of that is not as good either. And it wasnt meant to be. He wrote both songs with female voices in mind. I am a big Beatles fan since 1962, but imo Cilla and Mary are the definitive versions, which is exactly what Paul intended
ipolson 1 year ago
I have the version with Cilla and Paul. I will upload it soon.
ipolson 1 year ago
@ipolson Please do so-thanks!
crapple009 1 year ago
There's a full length demo version of this with Paul accompanying Cilla but I can't find it- it's very good.
flimbambo 1 year ago
@flimbambo Yeah, I've seen it too - can't find it now, either. At least I'm not imagining things...
Dittymeandyou 1 year ago
this is freiken awsome
ahhhmonsterz 1 year ago
wow paul is way up there, reaching for them notes.
I prefer cillias version, but thats just me.
aknowneemus 1 year ago
Back in the late 1970's I had a short, grainy version of this on a Beatles bootleg. Terrible quality but always liked the song!
ethicomm 1 year ago
How does Paul get his voice so high!!
derantike2 1 year ago
It's simply soft falsetto....
ROVINATO 1 year ago 2
@ROVINATO lets see you do it, its not that its hard, this is easy for him its very barely higher than his the note that he talks with. Paul has a tremendous vocal range that probably never ends
Pat0B 1 year ago
@Pat0B I was not referring to Paul's vocal versatility, which I'm one of the biggest supporters of, but to the specific performance of this song.
ROVINATO 1 year ago
I really wish they would've went ahead and made a final version of this song, it would've one of their best.
PicciProductions 2 years ago
what a sexy song
deserteacher 2 years ago 2
this pic is kinda scary.
charlaleisarabia 2 years ago
All the white album outakes always have this type of drums...
venomchickkk 2 years ago
Who cares what the chord structure is !, it's a lovely melody and was a very big hit for Cilla Black in 1968.
stevenjackson1958 2 years ago
who cares?...but one thing i do agree on is that "Learning how to love you" is an amazing song,
fasterbludger 2 years ago
wow this is so awesome! :D
SouthParkPerson012 2 years ago
gotta love those bongos
RedHedRox94 2 years ago 3
I love this. Even the reharsels were great. I bet that if the Beatles would have recorded this song it would have been another classic. It sounds just fantastic. Gotta love it!
AlexLexxi 2 years ago 3
joe prairies and the prairie wallflowers!
zeroleminski 2 years ago
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this song has an intuitive sophistication niether Lennon nor harrison could hope to match. If you look at the chord structure it is truly amazing!
mcainiac 2 years ago
@mcainiac , what an idiotic statement. Harrison had a much more "sophisticated" musical vocabulary, as Something to Learning How to Love You demonstrate.
What you take as "sophisticated" is nothing but a standard folk-pop progression, (D, C, G, D, A7) replete with simple major and seventh chords. Ooooo Weee. "Truly Amazing?" Only for slavish Macca fans. and those who have neither had musical training nor ever picked up a guitar and learned "chord progressions." Take a hike.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@MrAngemystere
Er..there are minor 7ths and 9ths in there too. It's obviously inspired by Jobim.
It's certainly sophisticated by 60s beat standards.
I'm off on my hike now.
drooghound 2 years ago
@drooghound, you are certainly "off," in that you claim that this "is certainly sophisticated by 60s beat standards" is ridiculous, given that the "chord progression," C,D,A, D, GMaj7, A#7+9, B#Maj7th A7th, is a good deal less sophisticated than "It Won't Be Long," let alone "Julia," "I want to Tell You," Something," etc. LAUGHABLE is the claim that this Macca trifle is akin to or influenced by Antônio Jobim. Harrison's "Learning How to Love You" yes, Macca's? Only for those off on a hike.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@drooghound oh, pay no attention to MrAngemystere, he's a useless paraplegic who sufferes from an advancing case of diabetes and is easily cnfused.
CaptainSpauIding 4 months ago
@CaptainSpauIding:
Oh, we don't have to pay attention to you. You can't even spell "suffers" correctly. That's because you're an illiterate high school dropout, an unemployed bum, a racist, and a retard most "easily C-O-N-F-U-S-E-D" by that activity called, SPELLING CORRECTLY and using GRAMMAR. After all, you're the nimrod who grapples with "gramar" (SIC) and gets his ass whupped by that abstruse "probaebly" (SIC).
There's the curb. Throw yourself toward it after fetching my slippers, bitch.
MrAngemystere 3 months ago
@CaptainSpauIding:
"cnfused."
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Do you mean, "CONFUSED," as in, "CaptainSpaulding is most confused when called to think clearly, spell correctly, and compose in standard English." Ti's the fate of a hapless virgin and racist dimwit who flunked out of high school. No wonder you gravitate to those utterly lacking gravitas, like CAIN, or PERRY, or PALIN.
Now go pleasure yourself to your wheelchair fetish, as is your wont.
MrAngemystere 3 months ago
at the time of this song, no, Harrison couldn't have come close, I dont give a fuck what MrAssmuncher has to say. Although, later, yes, George did (from his Indian musical "training" ) evolve as a "sophisticated" songwriter or what ever the fuck chrord progression really lifts your skirt up...Back from my hike!
mcainiac 2 years ago
@mcainiac @mcainiac, as one who chooses ignoble ignorance over knowledge, you "couldn't come close" to giving a valid analysis of Harrison's or any of the Beatles' musical abilities. The proof? You don't give a "fuck" about musical vocabulary. DIMWIT: chord progressions/configurations indicate the RANGE of a composer's abilities. Harrison was already a superior composer on this account even BEFORE his tutelage under Shankaar.You are still on a "hike" to ignorance. Good luck with that, fuckwit.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@MrAngemystere - Pardon me for butting in, but I'm just a little curious about what you're saying here. You seem to be saying that a composer's worth can be judged by the variety of different types of chord s/he uses; in other words, that harmonic complexity is the measure of greatness. On that account, Jean Barraque is better than Beethoven. I respectfully disagree, and I also think that this whole sorry-ass game of saying that X is 'superior' to Y illuminates the music in no way at all.
lexo30 2 years ago
@lexo30, pardon me for responding to the obvious, but mcainiac made an unfounded claim that the egregiously overrated Macca was the more "sophisticated" musician. This is patently untrue. If you want to argue that you prefer to listen to Macca because his melodies (or whatever other subjective measure) please you more, then I have no argument. And yes, harmonic complexity is indeed a criteria for musical worth, but by no means the sole measure. Read the argument more closely, and then respond.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@mcainiac, you compound your musical ignorance with historical ignorance. Your claim about the supposed effects of Harrison's tuteledge fail on the musical evidence, but it also fails chronologically. Harrison began his work with Shankaar BEFORE the India sojourn and the White Album recording sessions.
Still very much on the hike to ignorance, eh fuckwit? You must be a conservative: only a benighted sort would hold to his/her ignorant, intellectually dessicated nincompoopery in spite of facts.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@mcainiac - Let's be reasonable. Harrison didn't have anything like the level of encouragement and reinforcement that McCartney and Lennon had (from each other but also from the world). The fact that he became a major songwriter at all is almost more of a miracle than the fact that they did it first. I personally think that Harrison's lessons from Shankar didn't do his songwriting any good because he could never hope to write in that idiom - although it gave rise to maybe 2 good songs.
lexo30 2 years ago
@lexo30, let's not be "reasonable." Let's be ACCURATE and TRUTHFUL. One: Harrison did not enter a tutelage to learn to compose western pop songs. Harrison studied under Shankar to learn INDIAN CLASSICAL MUSIC and the proper technique for the Sitar. Again, you make claims about what Harrison without "a hope to write in that idiom": music theory and history. Who cares what YOU think are "2 good songs?" You have demonstrated neither musical knowledge nor a grasp of Beatles' history.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@MrAngemystere - You're clearly an insane troll, and so I can't be bothered to read your replies all the way through, so I am a fortiori disinclined to respond to them in detail. Bye.
lexo30 2 years ago
@lexo30, and you are clearly and INANE tool, and so I won't explain to you (again) how you have used a term incorrectly ("fortiori" this time) and how you are "disinclined" to think clearly, prioritize the facts appropriately, use language clearly, and thus make a coherent, logically valid argument. But then, you can't riposte as the arguments made against your position are airtight: FACTUALLY BASED.
A la prochaine fois, monsieur le bête comme ses pieds...
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@mcainiac The 2 good songs being 'Love You To' and 'Within You Without You'. I have never been able to listen to 'The Inner Light' all the way through. If George's Indian adventure did him any good as a musician, I think it was in making him a better guitar player. It may also have helped raise the visibility of Indian musics in the West. But for some reason I keep thinking about Mike Scott's appropriation and, IMO, dilution of Irish traditional music.
lexo30 2 years ago
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MrAngemystere 2 years ago
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@lexo30 @lexo30, "two good songs": the sole 2 Harrison put on Beatle albums in the WM idiom. Well that's quite a dialectical argument. As for "appropriation," all western pop music is a series of colonialist "appropriations," from minstrelsy to the Zep. The exponential difference in Harrison's case: he submitted himself as a STUDENT to a NON-WESTERN MASTER (a symbolic gesture of immense proportions given England's imperial past), and ACKNOWLEDGED his sources. Drop the faux Postmodernisms.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@MrAngemystere - the melody in the verses of 'Night and Day' stays mostly on one note. But it's still one of the greatest fucking songs ever written.
lexo30 2 years ago
@lexo30, the melody in the verses "Night and Day" is not what makes the song "great"and it is by no means "one of the greatest songs ever written"but rather Cole Porter's CHORD PROGRESSION under the melody, which provides shading and nuance, and thus the beguiling piece. Cut with the BAROQUE (note the correct spelling) sophistry. The false premise here is this Macca trifle is somehow harmonically "superior" to what George and John could do, a demonstrably FALSE proposition.
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
That escalated pretty quickly didn't it.
Do you ever allow music to just move you when it does?
jmitch30tube 2 years ago
jmitch30tube, what "escalated pretty quickly" was a person's pretentions to knowledge and yet sloveny reasoning. The argument was never about music moving one solely on a visceral level, which everything from Beatles to Prince, from Duke Ellington to Outkast, and from Stravinsky to Wynton Marsalis can and does do.
The clash is over the demonstrably false statement that Macca's fluffery here is more "sophisticated" harmonically than George and John's oeuvre. This is demonstrably false. Period
MrAngemystere 2 years ago
@MrAngemystere no he didn't. He frequented gay bath houses. And you're just jealous because most other people on here really can TAKE A HIKE.
CaptainSpauIding 4 months ago
Just an amazing talent, fantastic songwriter.
stevenjackson1958 2 years ago 3
He's even singing it in Cilla's key! lol
binkle1 2 years ago 20
That is John playing the bongos
storm68j 2 years ago 2
Proof / Source?
4dscorp 2 years ago
Nice Beatle bossa nova.
MRKWTZ 2 years ago 3
Thank you for posting this jhaeck
RickmalR 2 years ago
No prob.Haven't posted any vids in a long time,you want me to make more of these?
jhaeck 2 years ago 6
This is the BBC's Sounds of the Sixties 'Beatles A to Z song for the week starting 11th April 2009. The history of thid song can be heard for 1week after the broadcast date by going to the Sounds of the Sixties site. It is about 35 mins into the prog
RickmalR 2 years ago
Is my opinion but the music of the fab four has make a BBC, one of the richiest media channel in all the world, What you think?
syleriam 2 years ago
What do you mean you don't think he wrote it?
Of course he did.
He wrote it for Cilla Black in 1967.
ngt81 2 years ago 2
i think paul sings it better than she does :]
myxkorona 2 years ago 26
He's good, but Cilla is sensational singing this.
irene1ization 7 months ago
I don't think he wrote that number.
malma1 3 years ago
favorite songgg
:)
pimpxassxproductions 3 years ago
Wonderful!! Thanks for this
alfiesgirluk 3 years ago