i definitely cannot afford an LSAT course, but also think it pretty difficult to afford that many books...so i borrowed books from friends, and found a particularly useful torrent seed to download a whole bunch of LSAT books and past tests---message me and I'll send these materials to you (and "Like" this comment so other people notice it too :) -- just want to forward the favour on!
If you are looking to enhance your studying skills please visit our website (the link is in our channel). We have uploaded the curriculum we use in our LSAT classes, for free. You can also enjoy numerous LSAT Logic games with explanations by visiting our channel. Any comments or suggestions you may have are welcomed. -PreProBono
Personally, I think this is good advice. I think a lot of people are mad because they simply haven't figured out how to crack this test yet. And, as far as law being a scam, I believe this comes from people not thinking rationally. You're not getting a JD from a Tier 2-3 school and having 150K jobs thrown at you. Especially now, I could see how people aren't being hired anywhere. Do what you want to do, not what makes the most money, and you'll be happy.
Don't be another victim of the "Law School Scam". Our nation has been overproducing attorneys since the 1970s and stats suggest that traditionally only about 54% of all lawyers find jobs in the legal profession, anyway, and probably a much smaller percentage for new lawyers over the past decade.
Before you go to law school do some research, search for these blogs:
The LSAT is a logic test. You don't need to spend all that money on all that crap. What you need to do is take a UG logic course and get a solid book on fundamentals.
why would you go to law school and get in $100k debt and end up with a job that pays $48k a year? better yet, YOUR LAW JOB is being outsourced to india because they speak great english there and law does not require a physical presence in most cases! do NOT go to law school unless you like being in debt and working 80 hours a week. awful life/work balance!
Why do you say that power score does not have an approach for reading comprhension? They have an entire book on reading comp, which you did not mention!
Took your advice mami and it is working wonders good looking out for the advice your sexy and smart wish i had you for a study partner. Peace and Love
How long did u study and what kind of score did u get (if i may ask?, if not its ok). One thing u didnt go over is the end of the test , and that is the essay? how was that , what did they ask ? how long did it take etc..
Hi, thanks so much for posting this into. I am thinking about taking the LSAT in the next year and a bet scared about it, as i have gotten a Barron's Pass Key, and it scared me. I am in the 2nd chap and have no idea what i am doing. Looking for a book to help me understand the methodolgy of the test (best ways to read the questions and how to go about answering them).
I'm 120 pages into PowerScore Logic Games. It is truly great. It does not leave me thinking, "How did they get that?" in the answer keys like another book I used.
Yeah, I've heard good things about PowerScore. My friend used the logic games and logical reasoning books almost exclusively and took tons of actual tests. He got a 174, missed 5 questions. 4 of 5 he got wrong were in reading comprehension. He got one logic games question wrong, so Powerscore helped him get all but one of those two sections' questions right.
Ahh you know honestly there are so many people that say "how much did powerscore pay you for this" but honestly the logic games bible is the BEST book I've ever read to help me study for my LSATs I'm writing next month.
"hard work and knowing how to approach the test" You hit the nail right on the head. I wish I knew that earlier; it took me four months just to change my approach from "oh my god!" to "bring it on". I agree with your purchases: the powerscore books along with actual editions of the test (available uptil june 2008), are the ONLY way to go. unlike the GRE or other tests, there is no imitating the questions on the lsat no matter who you are, kaplan or princeton R.,
Hey Katie, how many hours a day did you study? I have almost all of those prep books and im taking the october test, but i'm already starting to sweat a little. Feels like it's coming tomorrow. Are 2 hours a day everyday enough? Did you go longer?
Shit man im not in college yet and im really really willing to go over my limit to see how hard the LSAT i no i hve a lot of time but i need to get into a good law school when the time comes!
@Frackal let's not forget bill, sergy and his buddy, and of course steve, all college dropouts who are the wealthiest men in the world. bill gates, sergey brin, steve jobs that is. use college as a backup but if you are talented, you will go much farther.
Katie, you could be one of the most beautiful and intelligent girls to ever post a video on YouTube. Good luck at whichever Ivy League law school you decide to attend.
"that's my parrot" haha..thanks for the info! I'm taking the LSAT next year sometime and I'm already starting to study for it. Thanks again for the tips!!!
Her advice is pretty poor. The powerscore bibles are not good. What powerscore does is a marketing campagine online. They hit the message boards and websites. These people are already good testtakers. (160) you will improve just by pratice with no methods. So the people who study their bibles and take their class have higher scores because of the market they target. I took the course. And bombed the LSAT along with my classmates because their methods are for people are mathmatical and techinial
I'm betting you had a lousy LSAT course teacher (not common with the better prep companies, but it happens).
Not everyone can score 170+, but anyone using solid methods can improve dramatically-- everyone does need to adapt advice and resources to their own learning style.
i also have to disagree w/redskins the lsat is truly about hard work, what katie said was right about the lr bible is right. that section is mostly about sufficient and nescessary conditions, at first the bible wont help,but after several qs you will begin to reason as the makers do from the lsat. practice, practice, i havent taken the lsat yet, but i will soon.invest your money and time on courses.like the lady from the powerscore told me is that the lsat is truly about the effort you put in it
redskins i wish you the best of luck, the lsat is truly hard. but you can master the lsat after you dedicate several hours a day for several months, monitor your score. time yourself rigorously during your practice sessions, bc maybe the time constraints could have messed you up.katie was also right about the reading comp section; the passages are similar to the articles from the ny times etc. but most importantly never give up and stay confident.
How long did you study for? months? I have been study (not hard core) for 2 months, and have 1Month to crack down. Should I wait till June, or just go hardcore?? - I know ultimatly it is my call, but would app. your insight-
I took the class in Oct, and ultimately took the test in June. But I didn't study the whole time! I think I studied for 2 months with the class, took a break for a semester and then studied hard for another 2 months. If you're doing well on practice tests, take it in Feb! If not, wait until June and study hard. My only rule is that you should take at least 4 practice tests before the real thing.
Thank you for posting this video Katie! It really helped me in my studying--both your book recommendations and your advice about believing that a high score is within you.
I actually took the TestMasters course and did not find it very helpful. They are very lecture-intensive. For study books, the PowerScore books sold on Amazon are the gold-standard.
Thank You again for this video and all your help and advice! You're a very talented person! Be sure to let us know where you decide to go! -Neil
I'm in the midst of studying for the LSAT now, and I have to say, 174? Amazing. Elizabeth Wurtzel got into Yale with an LSAT of 160! What gives? This test is hell-I took the GRE and got 640V 520M but only 489Q-that will not do on the LSAT. I'm going to buy all of the books she stated.
well, Elizabeth Wurtzel is a rockstar author which probably helped Yale overlook her lower (but highly respectable) 160--I bet her personal statement was incredible. Good luck to you!
@katiedivina And Elizabeth Wurtzel also failed the bar exam TWICE in New York, and is not an attorney (until she passes). She did NOT belong at Yale. Her "fame" (and not her ugpa/lsat) got her into Yale. With "pass/fail" grading, the hardest part about Yale is getting admitted.
Great job on your 174 - that's an elite score. It's too bad you'll be surrounded by assholes in law school. You seem very nice. I missed 3 questions on my LSAT - so I'll let you figure out my LSAT score.
BTW, I don't mean to be mean when I say that.. and it's not that I don't think you look good, cuz you look very neat and professional and all, but it's kind of like drawing attention away from your great words.
You have great advice and knowledge about it, but it might be a little more proper, or at least make it a little better, if you wore something a little more modest. That said, congrats on your LSAT score-that's a super-high score. The advice should work for GRE too?
I'm planning on taking the LSAT at the end of September/2007 and I'm so nervous. I hope I do as well as do did. What law school are you going to by the way?
You have some great tips. Although I'm not taking the LSAT I did take this pretty huge PRAXIS test this afternoon on the Unversity of Utah campus. I think your tips can apply to any major test. Study hard, and don't believe you'll leanr information by osmoses.
Thanks Garret! You're right, the same concepts I used to do well on the LSAT can work for any test. Congratulations on completing the PRAXIS test--what do you hope to teach?
That would be if your doing it for a job. I'm gaining knowledge to protect against unfair laws. Knowledge is key.
ewitte12 3 months ago
i definitely cannot afford an LSAT course, but also think it pretty difficult to afford that many books...so i borrowed books from friends, and found a particularly useful torrent seed to download a whole bunch of LSAT books and past tests---message me and I'll send these materials to you (and "Like" this comment so other people notice it too :) -- just want to forward the favour on!
farazars 11 months ago 3
Hi @farazars ,
If you are looking to enhance your studying skills please visit our website (the link is in our channel). We have uploaded the curriculum we use in our LSAT classes, for free. You can also enjoy numerous LSAT Logic games with explanations by visiting our channel. Any comments or suggestions you may have are welcomed. -PreProBono
lsatpingu 8 months ago
Personally, I think this is good advice. I think a lot of people are mad because they simply haven't figured out how to crack this test yet. And, as far as law being a scam, I believe this comes from people not thinking rationally. You're not getting a JD from a Tier 2-3 school and having 150K jobs thrown at you. Especially now, I could see how people aren't being hired anywhere. Do what you want to do, not what makes the most money, and you'll be happy.
bigrobdeezey 1 year ago
Fake
Philly2002 1 year ago
Don't be another victim of the "Law School Scam". Our nation has been overproducing attorneys since the 1970s and stats suggest that traditionally only about 54% of all lawyers find jobs in the legal profession, anyway, and probably a much smaller percentage for new lawyers over the past decade.
Before you go to law school do some research, search for these blogs:
JD Underground
JD Scam
Exposing the Law School Scam
But I Did Everything Right
The Jobless Jurisdoctor
Fluster Cucked
Esq Never
JoblessJane 1 year ago
The LSAT is a logic test. You don't need to spend all that money on all that crap. What you need to do is take a UG logic course and get a solid book on fundamentals.
TheTopBloke 1 year ago
why would you go to law school and get in $100k debt and end up with a job that pays $48k a year? better yet, YOUR LAW JOB is being outsourced to india because they speak great english there and law does not require a physical presence in most cases! do NOT go to law school unless you like being in debt and working 80 hours a week. awful life/work balance!
scir91 1 year ago
So how much you getting from PowerScore/ Nova to promote their products?
Turbodiesel071 1 year ago
Why do you say that power score does not have an approach for reading comprhension? They have an entire book on reading comp, which you did not mention!
ArjanTheGunslinger 1 year ago
(This video is just crying out for a lewd troll comment. While I usually do not engage in such things, I will step up this once.)
She can prep my "materials" any day!!
Joeofiowa 1 year ago
aha this is such an ad, exact same lines as the penny girl.
bazzablue777 1 year ago
Great advice Katie. Anyone prepping for the LSAT can check out our LSAT tips.
LSATPro 1 year ago
Great advice, Katie! Anyone prepping for the LSAT can check out my LSAT Blog for free LSAT tips and tricks, updated weekly.
ManhattanLSAT 1 year ago
Katie, how did you know that you wanted to be a lawyer?
Giaiwtbm 1 year ago
I am also a candidate to marry..lol
Katie: let me know if you plan to marry in 2010. Marry me.
vivecan2005 1 year ago
marry me LOL
ddnycc 2 years ago
taking the lsat in june. thanks for the advice!
MIMIC8801 2 years ago
Took your advice mami and it is working wonders good looking out for the advice your sexy and smart wish i had you for a study partner. Peace and Love
mamboking136 2 years ago
Honey:
Thanks for this info. I am sitting in feb 6 2010 exam. Please provide me your email so I can ask some question
vivecan2005 2 years ago
thanks for sharing. you're very pretty.
vtoodler 2 years ago
did you get accepted into law school?
j24ules 2 years ago
@j24ules Yes she did.
PettyPettyWoodChuck 2 years ago
any tips for scoring a 160 and higher on the lsat?
MacPr0xnxx0 2 years ago
Powerscore actually just published a Reading Comprehension Bible. It's pretty good.
norcalrobbie2 2 years ago
How long did u study and what kind of score did u get (if i may ask?, if not its ok). One thing u didnt go over is the end of the test , and that is the essay? how was that , what did they ask ? how long did it take etc..
if you could answer these questions, thanks again
Scared Green Student !
OmidKhyal 2 years ago
Hi, thanks so much for posting this into. I am thinking about taking the LSAT in the next year and a bet scared about it, as i have gotten a Barron's Pass Key, and it scared me. I am in the 2nd chap and have no idea what i am doing. Looking for a book to help me understand the methodolgy of the test (best ways to read the questions and how to go about answering them).
OmidKhyal 2 years ago
I'm 120 pages into PowerScore Logic Games. It is truly great. It does not leave me thinking, "How did they get that?" in the answer keys like another book I used.
Jdeman 2 years ago
Yeah, I've heard good things about PowerScore. My friend used the logic games and logical reasoning books almost exclusively and took tons of actual tests. He got a 174, missed 5 questions. 4 of 5 he got wrong were in reading comprehension. He got one logic games question wrong, so Powerscore helped him get all but one of those two sections' questions right.
Jdeman 2 years ago
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beijosparavoce 2 years ago
THANK YOU
idiothek 2 years ago
Thanks Katie you are also a godess.
mtnmark8407 2 years ago
Hey Katie thanks for the advice!
cornbluff1 3 years ago
hi Katie, What program do you use to edit your videos? Que programa usas para editar tus videos?
yoReese 3 years ago
So how much did 'powerscore" pay you for this?
DJPirrone 3 years ago
Ahh you know honestly there are so many people that say "how much did powerscore pay you for this" but honestly the logic games bible is the BEST book I've ever read to help me study for my LSATs I'm writing next month.
It really helps!
Annie-
3rd Yr Psycology student at York University
AnnieC88 3 years ago
Powerescore is the hottest out right now, no doubt.
nshtt 2 years ago
so how long did ya study for the test?? which lawschool did ya get into?
35thave 3 years ago
thanks. Good advice!
likeminas 3 years ago
Penny's LSAT tips are way better.
newyorktimes07 3 years ago
"hard work and knowing how to approach the test" You hit the nail right on the head. I wish I knew that earlier; it took me four months just to change my approach from "oh my god!" to "bring it on". I agree with your purchases: the powerscore books along with actual editions of the test (available uptil june 2008), are the ONLY way to go. unlike the GRE or other tests, there is no imitating the questions on the lsat no matter who you are, kaplan or princeton R.,
SharksKid 3 years ago
kaplan only uses actual lsat questions.
rightwing52000 3 years ago
el perro de san roque no tiene rabo porque vino una y se lo ha jalado
Que alguien traiga sal de frutas y una tirita
rmparch 3 years ago
Hey Katie, how many hours a day did you study? I have almost all of those prep books and im taking the october test, but i'm already starting to sweat a little. Feels like it's coming tomorrow. Are 2 hours a day everyday enough? Did you go longer?
johnnyvaillan 3 years ago
Shit man im not in college yet and im really really willing to go over my limit to see how hard the LSAT i no i hve a lot of time but i need to get into a good law school when the time comes!
kisame426 3 years ago
LARD
georgewbushpresident 3 years ago
Agreed. The LSAT is an extremely learnable test. While inherent aptitude certainly plays a part, a standardized test is a standardized test.
CrnchyCereal 3 years ago
I have three of the four study guide books mentioned. yay! :0)
allnamesareuseddamn 3 years ago
Pretty cool, for more LSAT tips check out my video!
Luv,
Penny
APennyForUrThoughts 3 years ago
1. LSAT score does not necessarily parallel intelligence level
2. She doesn't come off as dumb IMO
Frackal 3 years ago 3
very valid point, Frackal--if the LSAT were a true IQ test, there would be no point to studying, would there?
:)
katiedivina 3 years ago
@Frackal MENSA uses the LSAT as a measure of IQ. And guess what, smarter people tend to score high on the LSAT, and dumbasses usually get sub 140's.
cr500rebuild 1 year ago
@Frackal let's not forget bill, sergy and his buddy, and of course steve, all college dropouts who are the wealthiest men in the world. bill gates, sergey brin, steve jobs that is. use college as a backup but if you are talented, you will go much farther.
scir91 1 year ago
hi, this jalil i have a question for u how did u with time is was challenging??
i will take my test in october 2008
CHARAFI1979 3 years ago
my goal is to break 170 on the lsat.
im going to get all the powerscore books u mentioned, plus the flashcards they sell for the games
for arguments, i am using the princeton review LSAT workout strategy because it is very specific.
im pretty scared for the reading comprehension section because I havnt read much my whole life and i dont think i have a super reading speed gift
08746 3 years ago
Katie, you could be one of the most beautiful and intelligent girls to ever post a video on YouTube. Good luck at whichever Ivy League law school you decide to attend.
calkev822 3 years ago
"that's my parrot" haha..thanks for the info! I'm taking the LSAT next year sometime and I'm already starting to study for it. Thanks again for the tips!!!
CariC813 3 years ago
Her advice is pretty poor. The powerscore bibles are not good. What powerscore does is a marketing campagine online. They hit the message boards and websites. These people are already good testtakers. (160) you will improve just by pratice with no methods. So the people who study their bibles and take their class have higher scores because of the market they target. I took the course. And bombed the LSAT along with my classmates because their methods are for people are mathmatical and techinial
redskins2k 3 years ago
I respectfully disagree with your opinion here...
I'm betting you had a lousy LSAT course teacher (not common with the better prep companies, but it happens).
Not everyone can score 170+, but anyone using solid methods can improve dramatically-- everyone does need to adapt advice and resources to their own learning style.
Will you be retaking the LSAT?
katiedivina 3 years ago
i also have to disagree w/redskins the lsat is truly about hard work, what katie said was right about the lr bible is right. that section is mostly about sufficient and nescessary conditions, at first the bible wont help,but after several qs you will begin to reason as the makers do from the lsat. practice, practice, i havent taken the lsat yet, but i will soon.invest your money and time on courses.like the lady from the powerscore told me is that the lsat is truly about the effort you put in it
lemakk72 3 years ago
redskins i wish you the best of luck, the lsat is truly hard. but you can master the lsat after you dedicate several hours a day for several months, monitor your score. time yourself rigorously during your practice sessions, bc maybe the time constraints could have messed you up.katie was also right about the reading comp section; the passages are similar to the articles from the ny times etc. but most importantly never give up and stay confident.
lemakk72 3 years ago
hey HI, ! wich school did you end up to ??
boi2006 3 years ago
How long did you study for? months? I have been study (not hard core) for 2 months, and have 1Month to crack down. Should I wait till June, or just go hardcore?? - I know ultimatly it is my call, but would app. your insight-
AlixLwanga 4 years ago
I took the class in Oct, and ultimately took the test in June. But I didn't study the whole time! I think I studied for 2 months with the class, took a break for a semester and then studied hard for another 2 months. If you're doing well on practice tests, take it in Feb! If not, wait until June and study hard. My only rule is that you should take at least 4 practice tests before the real thing.
katiedivina 4 years ago
Thanks for the info Katie! BTW, What kind of Parrot do you have? I have a green cheeked Amazon. Good luck with Law school!
coolparrot 4 years ago
I have an African Grey--she makes an appearance in my "Tag!" video. Amazons are amazing...best of luck with your studying!
katiedivina 4 years ago
Thank you for posting this video Katie! It really helped me in my studying--both your book recommendations and your advice about believing that a high score is within you.
I actually took the TestMasters course and did not find it very helpful. They are very lecture-intensive. For study books, the PowerScore books sold on Amazon are the gold-standard.
Thank You again for this video and all your help and advice! You're a very talented person! Be sure to let us know where you decide to go! -Neil
majde74 4 years ago
You've inspired me in my hour of need. Thanks. Which PowerScore course did you take?
koolbreeze241 4 years ago
I took a full length course. Happy LSAT vibes to you!!
katiedivina 4 years ago
I'm in the midst of studying for the LSAT now, and I have to say, 174? Amazing. Elizabeth Wurtzel got into Yale with an LSAT of 160! What gives? This test is hell-I took the GRE and got 640V 520M but only 489Q-that will not do on the LSAT. I'm going to buy all of the books she stated.
thatkoolkatal 4 years ago
well, Elizabeth Wurtzel is a rockstar author which probably helped Yale overlook her lower (but highly respectable) 160--I bet her personal statement was incredible. Good luck to you!
katiedivina 4 years ago
Thank you katie. You are an inspiration to all of us who have decided to take this exam. I wish you well on whatever school you attend.
thatkoolkatal 4 years ago
@katiedivina And Elizabeth Wurtzel also failed the bar exam TWICE in New York, and is not an attorney (until she passes). She did NOT belong at Yale. Her "fame" (and not her ugpa/lsat) got her into Yale. With "pass/fail" grading, the hardest part about Yale is getting admitted.
Great job on your 174 - that's an elite score. It's too bad you'll be surrounded by assholes in law school. You seem very nice. I missed 3 questions on my LSAT - so I'll let you figure out my LSAT score.
cr500rebuild 1 year ago
I know some will find what i'm saying rather ridiculous.. but I'd tell them that everybody's different and sometimes it's a matter of perspective.
adelRX7 4 years ago
BTW, I don't mean to be mean when I say that.. and it's not that I don't think you look good, cuz you look very neat and professional and all, but it's kind of like drawing attention away from your great words.
adelRX7 4 years ago
You have great advice and knowledge about it, but it might be a little more proper, or at least make it a little better, if you wore something a little more modest. That said, congrats on your LSAT score-that's a super-high score. The advice should work for GRE too?
adelRX7 4 years ago
i literally signed up to point out how much of a douche bag this person is (very much) aww that felt good
CapNC240 3 years ago
just to clarify...im talking about adelRX7. great video =)
CapNC240 3 years ago
thank you so much! im buying all the books you recommended
lemonheartfly 4 years ago
you are welcome! best of luck to you!
katiedivina 4 years ago
thanks Katie for your help and support, and Congrats on your LSAT score
I wish good luck for you and I hope you will applying to the school that you wish, whether is Harvard or Yale.
panenos 4 years ago
Thanks for the tips. Are you interested in selling any of the books?
angelicaserrano82 4 years ago
I'm planning on taking the LSAT at the end of September/2007 and I'm so nervous. I hope I do as well as do did. What law school are you going to by the way?
bl3232 4 years ago
Good luck on the test! I'm applying to schools at the moment and I don't know where I'll end up but the options are very exciting. :)
katiedivina 4 years ago
You go girl!! Congrats on your score! You are amazing.
sbolchi 4 years ago
174, damn thats good
cmonbugmenot 4 years ago
you got an amazing score--what law schools will you apply to?
bob99 4 years ago
Katie,
You have some great tips. Although I'm not taking the LSAT I did take this pretty huge PRAXIS test this afternoon on the Unversity of Utah campus. I think your tips can apply to any major test. Study hard, and don't believe you'll leanr information by osmoses.
-Garrett
P.S. You're one of my favorite YouTubers.
jonahandtherock 4 years ago
Thanks Garret! You're right, the same concepts I used to do well on the LSAT can work for any test. Congratulations on completing the PRAXIS test--what do you hope to teach?
katiedivina 4 years ago
I've been teaching 7th grade Utah Studies and 8th grade U.S. History for two years now... this will be my third year as an educator.
jonahandtherock 4 years ago
Thanks for the info-- I will be taking the LSAT's soon. . . .
joshsweet112 4 years ago