Great video but so are the replies to comments to be read. I'm no programmer or anything but if the YouTube engineers could put a button beside replies where it could take you to the original comment that would be good. I mean sometimes you've got twenty pages or more to sift through tryin to find the freakin thing.
What a bunch of young fools.It started with A silent way went right thru bitches brew,thru spaces into mahavishnu and still lives on the edge today.Over 50 years of important guitar.What a bunch of fools.You can not start looking at John at Mahavishnu unless you are stupid.Its sad.No one had the balls to pick up where Django left off except John.'I got nothin aganst modern jazz unless yopu try to play it to damn fast'Who do you think the moptops were talking about?
The most exciting John Mclaughlin for me is his live concerts with the original 5 piece Mahavishnu Orchestra. I have something like 12 hours of live MO from 1972 and 1973. The playing of that band is out of this world. Mclaughlin and Billy Cobham working out together is one of those few and hard to find magical moments in music. Hendrix is the first cosmic experience and then the original MO. Actually McLaughlin's guitar tone with the MO is also the best tone he ever achieved.
John Mclaughlin is one of the great guitarists of the past 50 years. He is a master of the instrument. When I first heard Hendrix as a kid, I was absolutely dumbstruck. I had the same experience when I first heard the original Mahavishnu Orchestra in the mid-70s. ...and again when I first heard Alan Holdsworth. With John, however, it is not only his technical approach to the instrument but his compositional work as well, whether in jazz, fusion, or classical.
Give a guy an accoustic and I will tell you who truly he is... John Mclaughlin, Di-Meola, Birelli Lagrene, Stochelo Rosenberg, De Lucia ... all these guys can shred without any sustainer, overdrive or other gimmick most shredder are using in metal. Nylon string shredding like Cherokee from JM is a good exemple...
I've just read the funniest thing ever...somebody called John McLaughlin 'sloppy'. Hmmmm. Where do you even begin to answer that?!! That's on a par with saying Art Tatum needed to practice his scales a bit more.
as a guitarist whos spent a lot of time working on picking, i can say that that this is not sloppy playing, every note is being picked and fretted at the perfect time.
The issue is he is picking very hard, which causes the too much attack and on distorted electric guitars can create unwanted buzz and kills the notes quickly leaving no sustain.
in essence your hearing a lot of unarticulated/almost-dead-sounding notes played very fast.
if he didnt pick so hard it would sound seamless IMHO
ok, with all this talk about how fast John is playing here (whether or not that is a good thing), no one has mentioned the mad little dance he does right at the end of the video! i mean, come on...is that some drunken dad-dancing at a wedding or office party or what? lol
seriously, he seldom plays this fast...he does it when the song demands it, so i would not ever question this mans ability on the guitar...just listen to Birds of Fire by Mahavishnu, which features no shredding
that's the VINTAGE sound ! No one sounds like this anymore, with this old and ugly sound but magnified by the virtuosity, today too many guitarists are hiding behind effects, mc laughlin plays all the fuckin notes, no slide, it's just like a sax
Eric Johnson plays the platonic scales in an interesting way,but who said the platonic scales were interesting,this guy plays all scales at great pace and is original and his virtuosity in playing from ascend and descend formats is second to none,Phrygian and Dorian scales, mate Johnson and the pretentious Steve Vi play the guitar great but the music is not great,This man's body of work from Graham Bond to Miles Davis to Mahavishnu shows are very talented man.
Is it a cheap shot to mention your own capabilities? Perhaps - though arguably deserved, as much down to the hyperbolically negative tone of your assessment as anything. Does making that point mean I ought to display my guitar skill on Youtube? Not really. First I'm not a guitar player (although I did study classical guitar to an advanced level). I do, however, hold two music degrees from an ancient University (1st class BMus (hons) and an MMus in composition). P.s. vibrato is actually at 0:27.
john mcalughlin is one of rare guitar players who has playing and composing albites on the sam level...from 70tis to now he change the evolution of music for several times....from tony williams to miles davis....from mahavishnu orchestra to shakti...from solo to concerto for guitar and orchestra...and he is also rhitmicali most gifted guitar player...listen to hi albums...he is the greatest guitar player composer of 20 and 21.st...compare to him john patrucci looks like schoolar
I'm sorry, but I've never liked McLaughlin. I don't know why so many people defend him. His playing is extremely sloppy, his tone is atrocious and he doesn't use any legato, bends or vibrato which makes his playing seem robotic.
HOLA, take "a HANDFUL OF BEAUTY" and you´ll have crazy bendings, good taste and pure magic. Mclaughlin has worked many faces of music, you just have TO PLAY HIS ALBUMS!
@tighttritenight HOLA, I always says the same thing: check out: A HANDFUL OF BEAUTY, NATURAL ELEMENTS of first SHAKTI. Afther that BELO HORIZONTE, ALL THE GUITAR TRIO STUFF, MAHAVISHNU ALBUM (1984) and JOHN MCLAUGHLIN TRIO "live at the royal festival hall" and "qué alegría" albums and YOU CAN MISS THE IMPACT OF THE FIRST MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA ALBUMS.
@tighttritenight After enduring your banal, cheesily cliched blues based "jamming" escapades, I can honestly say you've got some fucking cheek criticizing McLaughlin!
@flaneller I agree with you on my own playing, but then again I am an accountant by trade and not considered a world class musician like McLaughlin is. That, however, does not exclude the man from criticism. According to you, I can not criticize Mclaughlin because my own skill level does not match his. Using this same logic, I'll say that you can't defend him unless your skill level matches his....where are your videos?
@tighttritenight You misrepresent my point. I was not criticising your "skill" levels per se, but merely the absurdity of someone audaciously expressing suprise that anyone would "defend" him, but who has himslef downloaded video betraying his self-admittedly dubious capablities and creative taste. If you'd just said "I don't like his playing because it's sloppy, doesn't use bends etc", fair enough, even if it's a factually incorect statement (isn't that vibrato at 0:30, a bend at 0:45 etc?!).
@flaneller Just because I never escaped the minor pentatonic scale does not mean that I doubt my "creative tastes". I would kill myself if I was forced to listen to blues based guitar playing for the rest of my life. I actually have very cultured tastes, and I do enjoy jazz-fusion guitar...just not McLaughlin. Also, I used the word "any" as a hyperbole. Obviously, he utilizes vibrato and bends to some degree.
if that is the case then even if you don't like his soloing you have to, at the very least from a jazz perspective, see why it's amazing to others and in a universal context
@tighttritenight AH! I´ve forgot the two albums of classical "THE MEDITERRANEAN" and the insuperable "THIEVES AND POETS" and check out: NEW YORK ON MY MIND - THE UNKNOWN DISSIDENT, THE DARK PRINCE...
@tighttritenight check out his acoustic playing and tell me it's sloppy.. try Friday night in San Francisco for example with Al di meola and Paco de Lucia.. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, especially his electric playing as you say it sometime lacks soul due to lack of blues style phrasing.. but his acoustic playing is something else
@tighttritenight I understand. When I was young I heard some Mahavishnu and didn't care for his playing. Blew him off for 10 years or so and later found he had many different facets to his playing and found the ones I liked. I like Heart Of Things era a lot.
@tighttritenight I'm not a huge Mahavishnu fan myself. It's epic, but it is also stuffy, funkless, 70s shred fusion. McLaughlin's performances on the Bitches Brew-era Miles Davis records are the most interesting parts of those sessions. His sneering, angular parts with Miles fit so well with the huge funk.
@tighttritenight Well. Listen to Yngwie Malmsteen....less speed than him..using the same scales 'till paranoid, A sound that's freightfull...his problem is to be faster than any else (and he's not). Right. For me John is 1000 upper than those kind of shredders.
@tighttritenight I am a huge mclauhglin fan, and I have to admit that on this solo he is actually a bit robotic, but every single thing of his music, exept maybe this, is extremely soulful, powerful and full of pure beauty and expression. and for example on the youtube video of his performance at clapton's crossroads there was a jerk that said that mclaughlin and jeff beck use too much vibrato and bendings, and he thinks that their music sucks because of this. what can you say now?
@tighttritenight man , i can understand u don't llike mclaughlin but music is opened and one thing i can say to you is that John McLaughlin KNOWS the music and if he can go out like this or free, it's cause he perfectly knows jazz harmony.
And for me like llafutaal the "MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA" is an incredible and unique experience.
@tighttritenight Apology accepted. When I first heard John McLagihlin play music started to make sense. After that I discovered Bach and I realised that some musicians just have a special genius, or spirit that is just very special. McLauglin is one of those musicians. His non-legato lines are just his style. His tone is unique - just open your ears. As for playing sloppy - Ha ha ha!
@tighttritenight Yeah, this does nothing for me either. McLaughlin is really hit or miss for me. I absolutely love My Goals Beyond and Extrapolation. In fact, they're two of my favorite albums. Seen him live 3 times. He was brilliant in one concert. But in the other two, it seemed like he had an ego about not having an ego. I felt it in his playing and in his energy.
His playing is extremely sloppy I agree.. But who am I to say...
I also don't like his style, his tone sucks because he uses anything, I've seen him on the entire spectrum of brands... ending up with out a signature tone... Aside from the fact that he's just simply too full of himself and one proud snobbish motherfucker.
@dangraphic sloppy? are you crazy or something? is because of the overdrive he uses. if he used some kind of metal distortion like petrucci or herman li, you woudn't even hear the notes, because is too fuckin fast. it would sounded like coltrane, you would hear a sheets of sounds, if John used a metal distortion.
@fabianidhesona "if he used some kind of metal distortion like petrucci or herman li, you woudn't even hear the notes, because is too fuckin fast."
McLaughlin and Di Meola are faster than all those Metal shredders. Petrucci, Bucketface, Paul Gilbert - even Malmsteen. Metal fans kiss their ass simply because they play Metal; a genre of music they can identify with - and that's the gist of it. I for one don't listen to Classical, but I'll be the first to admit that they are superior musicians...
who gives a crap about sloppy. Fast or slow its about emotion and presents. Interacting with the other musicians on stage. I can program my synth to play 10,000 notes all perfect but it is not music.
The dude can do anything and he does all of it well. He has created some of the most incredible music ever written IMHO. If you are too focused on being ultra accurate you are wasting your time. Its about getting your point across musically.
Dude, this is TRUE alternate picking, not the lame-ass tremolo picking many Rock players try to pass off as alternate picking. Take away the tons of gear, and most Metal player ain't shit.
Legato, bends or vibrato?!? Sounds like a bunch of Metal garbage, if you ask me. Classical and Flamenco players don't bend of use excessive vibrato (or what Frank Gambale refers to as the "choking a chicken" sound lol) either, so what's your take on that?!?
for anyone interested go back to the 60's and check out McLaughlin's playing with Miles Davis. I'd suggest finding the tune "Right Off" by Miles Davis and you can hear John playing with Miles on the Jack Johnson sessions. McLaughlin's "sloppiness" there is all about feeling--not robotic at all, more greasy and loose...anyway, check it out.
@tighttritenight actually he uses vibrato and legato in this very piece .. agree crown courtabout his tone in this tune, though. But he plays with amazing tone elsewhere.
mclaughlin sloppy ???? are you serious ??? this man has the most precise alternate picking technique ever even shawn lane said his was the ultimate pick master !!
I think what makes John McLaughlin great is his use of a relatively clean old-school jazz based tone. And in those incredibly fast runs, you actually hear a lot of famous jazz quotes from Coltrane solos and the like.
If you're not versed in a jazz vocabulary, you wouldn't know what you're hearing. At the same time, I wouldn't call his sound beautiful. It's fast and sublime. There's lot of hidden music in all that chaos of sound that he generates.
@tighttritenight do don't have any idea what your talking about! sure everyone messes up from timte to time but that doesn't make him sloppy and just listen to his first album and you'll find enough "bending and vibratos"
@tighttritenight It's an acquired taste. In order to understand John's approach it helps to understand the Indian rhythmic stanza and Coltrane's "wall of sound" effect. Coltrane also was highly influenced by Eastern music.
To many Western ears, it comes across as perhaps self absorbed or meaningless but it's alot to do with freeness of spirit. But i do understand what you mean.
Ironically though, sometimes McLaughlin can be as economical, notewise, as Miles Davis.
@tighttritenight Whenever i hear John, and i've seen him perform since 1967, his playing presents visions of angels & demons battling in Indian mythology.(like Coltrane)
To some,he conveys the impression that he is egocentric and he does lose me sometimes but infact he's quite the opposite..such a humble guy. Like Allan Holdsworth. But he's chameleon-like. Perhaps you'd like his version of "My Foolish Heart'?
@tighttritenight soloing for the moment, & just LISTEN to what the man wrote/created, listen to his melodic & rhythmic sensibility (unHEARD of in rock music for the time), & THEN imagine what an onslaught (& trust me, it WAS; i was THERE) of pure ideas it must've been hearing performed live with THAT band! the man completely took ALL of the rock players that were REAL musos & stood them on their heads. WHERE do you think e johnson got HIS phrasing from? there were NO blues doublepickers in '72!
@tighttritenight listen to the original recording of "the dance of maya" from the 1s mahavishnut lp, inner mounting flame, and... (accidentally erased from front end of 1st post)
@tighttritenight Dislike as much as you want. His tone is gorgeous, the problem is with your ears. Sorry, but It seems like you don't really know what you are talking about. Jazz fusion was heavily influenced by cool jazz, modal jazz and free jazz and there's no place for lots of bends, vibratos and legatos. Bends are for rock and blues and vibratos are for opera singers, not for jazz guitar players. So your problem is not with JM, but with jazz in general.
he is the best...no one like him...check out all his albums and colaborations and you will se what i am talking about...and if you are not in it go to watching fucking GTR with average guitar players on the satrianis level with plastic sound...music wich is good only for need for speed computer game
john mcalughlin is guitar god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! without him i will be lost in this 21 first century sintetic crap average shreed guitar players without any clue how to write a greate compostions
@arsehole420 "great playing, but that tone sounds like a 10 watt practice amp with built in overdrive."
Sounds like a low quality tube amp...like the Marshall Haze...but then again; people who follow his shows are only there to see his technique and picking speed...
If guitarists were sucked into the Marvel universe, I'd say this gent would have the power levels of say... Silver Surfer, actually, make that Galactus :-)
Yes and I would like to hear some more bends and vibrato too. Electric guitar with sustain sounds boring with no bends or vibrato in general. His choice of notes and picking is great though.
@Magicquickfingers well. think about it this way: its complretely different than everyone else. There must be a reason why he does it. Its not like he can't afford a nice amp. Artists are very meticulous about every aspect of the way they express themselves. He has that tone because 1) its close to, or exactly what he wants 2) he doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks.
for me personally...john mclaughlin, al di meola, steve hackett, robert fripp, steve howe, allan holdsworth, paco de lucia are the most creative and in style indvidual an unique guitar players and also the most influential in last 30 years....and everything wath has came after this guys is a bad imitation...we have come frome artisticly gifted guitar players to some kind of schoolar guitar players....all today guitar players like gilbert, buckethead, batio...the best of them are petrucci, vai
for all you gilbert fans....paul gilbert will need to live for about 1000 years and playing guitar and study compositoin to achive half of john mclaughlin talent....john mcalughlin was makeing an essential music when gilbert was shiting in his underpants and crying beacouse his parents didnt want to buy him a new LEGO...and today isnt much diffrent...mclaughlin still createing a masterpices and gilbert creating an average hard rock with a little better solo guitar...
@bajko1000 Dude come on. People at the level of Gilbert and Mclaughlin really can't be compared. They are both masters in their own unique styles.. Also, Paul might be the nicest guy in the entire music industry. He has no ego, and he he cool and friendly to everyone.
@bajko1000 Dude, if Paul Gilbert were 1000 years OLDER than McLaughlin, he'd still be light years away in overall technique, and most definitely improvising skills. It's almost useless to compare the 2. McLaughlin is a Jazz Fusion musician, for Pete's sake, and Paul Gilbert is a Rocker - Paul is automatically going to be behind in certain areas. It's called facts of life. If Paul Gilbert, Steve Vai, Satch, et.al were to compete with Fusion players, they're gonna have to play Fusion, not Rock...
@roost24 "I honestly think that was horrible sounding?"
I honestly think the only thing that was horrible is the fact I can't play it lol
"Is this a joke video?"
I dunno, maybe your observation is a joke? lmao
First of all, what is your example of something not horrible?!? If it's strait up Jazz, such as George Benson, Joe Pass, Pat Martino, et.al, then it's just "traditional" Jazz bias, and I can accept that. But pleeeze, if your idea of not horrible is Metal, don't even think about it...
If all I were accustomed to hearing was a bunch of Rock/Metal riffs over the same simple chord progressions, I guess it would suck to me as well. Now if you're a Jazz purist who thought it sucked because it wasn't in the context of "traditional" Jazz playing, then you may have a credible argument - biased, but more credible than comparing it to some mediocre Rock crap.
@crawdad2006 "John Garris can play this stuff on a martin D-18!!!"
So can John McLaughlin!!!
Sorry dude, but I've heard this Garris Country guy. He's good at what he does, but he's like another Glen Campbell or Roy Clark - nowhere near McLaughlin in picking speed; use of differences scales, and playing over complex chord changes, etc. They're 2 different players.
I've learned that shilling for people simply because I admire them is not a credible way to present facts on a discussion board...
@thecoldnovrain89 that's a good joke. gilbert plays his one chord improvisations like a primitive. did he ever play over chord changes? Give me an example where gilbert improvises over more than 3 chords. By the way john's picking is one of the most perfect in the realm of jazz guitar.
@SevenCircles "he is slightly cleaner then Mclaughlin while playing superfast though."
I differ in opinion. McLaughlin is picking all or most of the notes. When you put it in slow motion, you can clearly hear every note. With this type of speed picking (or alternate picking), you can play on electric or acoustic. The legato thing Gilbert does only works on distorted electric. Another example of "superfast" and clean is Al Di Meola. I agree with his sentiments regarding legato, tapping, etc...
@thecoldnovrain89 His picking needs work?!? What is this, more clueless Metal logic?!?
Paul Gilbert doesn't even alternate pick, although he's good at doing hammer-ons and pull-offs, just like all Metal guys are. If Paul Gilbert were to square off with McLaughlin, Di Meola, or Bireli Lagrene in an acoustic setting, he's get eaten alive. He'd be forced to pick more of the notes; the pull-off thing he does is too limited, especially if there are more than 3 basic chords to improvise over.
Paul is widely recognised as one of the best alternatepickers in the world. His knowledge of scales and jazztheory is very limited though but he can improvise fluently in any of the standard modes, phrygian, Dorian, Mixolydian etc and play stringskipping arpeggios like almost no other rockguitarist can.
@SevenCircles "play stringskipping arpeggios like almost no other rockguitarist can."
Paul Gilbert is the master of stringskipping arpeggios, like Gambale is the master of sweeping. It looks easy the way Gilbert demonstrates it, so I might give it a try. It can't be any trickier than Gambale's sweeping, though...
@SevenCircles I saw a couple of Paul's instructional videos on alternate picking. To tell you the truth, it sounds like the same generic Rock riffs from the 60's & 70's, but with more picking action, hardly close to anything McLaughlin or any of the Fusion Jazz guys are doing in terms of complexity and phrasing.
Check out "Rene's Theme" with McLaughlin and Coryell on acoustic, and you'll hear the true meaning of improvisational skill and melody - WITHOUT the use of extreme speed...
You haven´t seen him playing classical transcriptions then I guess, or his amazing technique for playing 3 octave string skippipng arpeggios, or his tasteful use of lefthand stretches in Snakebite with Racer X?
His choice of notes is not very interesting in general though that´s true but his pickingtechnique is very clean and the heavy an I love that sound, he can play the acoustic really well too.
@SevenCircles I've heard him play all of the above, the most impressive being his 3 octave string skipping arpeggios.
His Classical playing is not authentic Classical or Flamenco, by his own admittance. The riffs on Snakebite sound like typical fast Metal stuff. A great player in his own genre, though...
LOL...ROTFLOL...Fantomex92 I guess you never got passed "I'm going home" off Woodstock...lol.
Alvin Lee was pretty awesome compared to guys like Neil Young back then, but you can't be serious?!?
Alvin Lee is just another primitive Rock guitarist from the 60's-70's, who's not near the level of today's Rock'Metal players in terms of technical skill - let alone a Fusion monster like McLaughlin. Amazing...
@TheTranslator100 I got the whole Alvin Lee's Discography,I play guitar since 12 years and i listen guitarists like Django Reinhardt,Eddie Lang,Page,Hendrix ecc.so I got all knowledge to talk about that...you seem just a little prick...Alvin Lee use in his songs all type of guitar skills and techinques and can reach the highest speed possible...but the thing that make him difference compared to all other guitarist is the accuracy...he don't miss a single note in every live or studio record...
@Fantomex92 "Alvin Lee use in his songs all type of guitar skills and techinques and can reach the highest speed possible."
LOL...ROTFLOL...Fantomex92 your inability to distinguish truly skilled players from mediocre ones is an indication of your own skill level ...lol.
You've been playing 12 years?!? It only took 2 years for that primitive Alvin Lee/Jimmy Page shit to get old, before moving on to McLaughlin, Di Meola, Benson, et.al.
@TheTranslator100 AND I CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN,DJANGO REINHARDT,THIS IDIOT NAMED JOHN MCLAUGHLIN AND OTHER GUITARISTS LIKE THEM SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...
@Fantomex92 IF YOU CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN,DJANGO REINHARDT,THIS IDIOT NAMED JOHN MCLAUGHLIN AND OTHER GUITARISTS LIKE THEM, YOU WOULDN'T BE SO IMPRESSED WITH AN AVERAGE PLAYER LIKE ALVIN LEE - WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL, YOU CRASS MORON?!? YOU CAN TAKE YOUR 12 YEARS OF PLAYING AND TRY TO FOOL SOMEONE ELSE...
@TheTranslator100 I DON'T NEED TO FOOL ANYONE BECAUSE I AM NOT THE ONE WHO PASS HIS LIFE ON YOUTUBE TRYIN' TO MEASURE HIS FRUSTRATION WITH OTHER GUYS!!HERE I CAN'T PROVE THAT I CAN PLAY GUITAR..AS WELL AS YOU!IF YOU KNEW COMPLETELY ALVIN LEE AS ME,YOU COULD COMPARE THE SKILL WITH THE OTHERS ,BUT YOU TALK JUST ABOUT "I'M GOIN' HOME"!!YOU DON'T KNOW OTHER SONGS IN WHICH HE SHOWS HIS ACOUSTIC AND ELECTRIC SKILL (YEAR 3000 BLUES,HELP ME LIVE AT MARQUEE ECC.)!SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!I REPEAT:"BYE NERD"
@TheTranslator100 another stupid youtubber. why dont you shut up? your opinion isnt that important at last... maybe you just dont understand this music. naturally you suck.
WTF are you talking about you vexatious pest?!? I'm giving McLaughlin all the credit he deserves, and you make crass comments in reply?!? Either you have comprehension issues, or you're a total moron - which one is it?!?
Quite frankly, I suspect a vast majority of comments on youtube are posted by an Internet CHATTERBOT (e.g. a computer program designed to mimic human conversation). Don't think for a second I'm not aware of this form of Internet duplicity, I've seen it on many forums.
@keo774 "maybe you just dont understand this music"
Maybe you just don't understand how to read and write.
I suggest that the site owner invest in an upgraded CHATBOT. The one currently in use is apparently programmed to simulate a person with the intellectual capacity of an Hispanic gang-banger wannabe...
@TheTranslator100 i ha a problem understanding your comment: when you said
@Fantomex92 IF YOU CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN,DJANGO REINHARDT,THIS IDIOT NAMED JOHN MCLAUGHLIN AND OTHER GUITARISTS LIKE THEM, YOU WOULDN'T BE SO IMPRESSED WITH AN AVERAGE PLAYER LIKE ALVIN LEE i thought you were aganist mclaighlin. i didnt follow reading ( when you said - WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL, YOU CRASS MORON?!? YOU CAN TAKE YOUR 12 YEARS OF PLAYING AND TRY TO FOOL SOMEONE ELSE... )
@TheTranslator100 Oh...and...before speaking about arguments that you don't know completely...search on youtube "Stratocaster Blues (Ten Years After)" and "Help Me (Ten Years After live from Marquee)" and listen songs like "I May Be Wrong" and "Woodchoppers Ball" (both from Undead), "Year 3000 Blues","Ain't Nothing Shakin' " and "I Can't Keep From Crying Sometimes" (Live at Isle Of Wight)......after a documentation,you will be able to speak about Alvin Lee....
@Fantomex92 Dude, I've heard some of the tunes you've suggested, and it's the same old primitive White blues shit from the 60's-70's. I used to be an Alvin Lee freak myself, before moving on to better things. If there's anyone who's qualified to speak of Alvin Lee, wouldn't it be someone who's actually sat down an imitated his shit note for note, before eventually getting bored with it?!?
Live at Isle Of Wight? lmao! That statement alone diminishes your credibility, as far as I'm concerned lol
@TheTranslator100 You speak,write and think like a poor,aborted nerd...so I wont' miss other time speaking with a fake expert ,who wrote 392938449893 comments to 9349134913974973479 users a day on youtube saying crap, like you...however.my knowledge include jazz,rock,and acoustic guitarists and I can play about 10/15 notes on second and every genre stuff..metal is playing licks on the same part of the neck...blues,rock,jazz (not FUSION) moves all over the neck so IT'S MORE DIFFICULT YOU IDIOT!
@TheTranslator100 YOU pass your're life checkin' your email inbox,writing "LOL,ROTFL" and SPEAKING ABOUT OTHER GUYS AS IF THEY WERE YOU..and then have the courage to call someone else "COMEDIAN"??!!PLAYING METAL AND FUSION CONSISTS IN PLAYING THE EXERCISE THAT I DID WHEN I WAS 12!ALVIN LEE PLAY VERY VERY FAST AND IN ADDITION HE MUST SPACE ON THE WHOLE NECK TO GET A GOOD TUNE (JAZZ,ROCK,BLUES) AND THIS IS MORE DIFFICOULT!!THAT'S WHY I'M IMPRESSED,EVEN IF I CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN! BYE ABORTED NERD
@TheTranslator100 and if you think that alvin lee is equal to page,allman,blackmoore,ecc.ecc (a primitve rock guitarist from the '60)...you are very very very wrong...when you have some freetime in your gloomy life made of comments on youtube,listen something..and you'll understand why he is "ten years after"
look at the greatest jazz guitar players of all time. Django, Barney Kessel, Jim Hall, Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass, they never changed anything, they played exactly the same style their whole life through, they did not "develop" as you say. But they were great. Why don't you critizise fast playing flute and sax players, fast keyboarders, fast trumpet players, fast cello players, ? I agree what you say about Paco. to meet John McLaughlin was one of the best things for him.
@TheTranslator100 noo it's a misunderstanding that it is difficult.. but keep believing it's difficult.. Youtube is loaded with fast playing semi intellectual crap guitarists.. So You can eat Your heart out!
@atl2maryland "McLaughlin dont got no swagger on stage"
He's a guitarist/musician, not a pop entertainer. Plus, you've got to play that soul type of Jazz to have that swagger like George Benson, and Norman Brown, especially.
@TheTranslator100 What does having stage presence and a little bit of swag have to do with pop?!? I dont listen to pop music and dont know much about it other than it is a "genre". Im just saying his stage show is kind of dry.
@atl2maryland "What does having stage presence and a little bit of swag have to do with pop?!? "
What does having stage presence and a little bit of swag have to do with Fusion?!?
In most cases, music based on technical virtuosity tends to lack swag, being that the primary focus is on technical execution, not stage presence (unless it's Jaco Pastorius). George Benson and Norman Brown are brothas who play rhythmic soul type Jazz, so they naturally have "swag."
@jeffbeckgeek1 using those names in connection with John McLaughlin, shows you just don't get it . next time listen for the music in McLaughlin not just the speed.
Greggory the Peccory ... don't waste your time on the young grasshopper ! with his attitude he will never be able to snatch the pebble from Master McLaughlin's hand ! LOL ! ps .. you ARE a Zappa fan, yes ? Me too ! another great master was The Zappa ! Master McLaughlin can not be tarnished, the grasshopper only poops his own pants for all to see ... trouble yourself not. Enjoy the blessings of the stringmaster in the fullness of his melodies ! All is Bliss as Master McLaughlin would say !
what I am looking for is a place sells guitars that have sympathetic strings or a luthier that could giv e me some insight in what it would take to turn a simple dreadnaught guitar into something similar to what Jm plays like on Shakti Joy I'd really like to go there and start doing some experimental stuff with a guitar that has sympathetic strings
@Pan3405 I know why I go to all JMacs vid, but you ? You are a merely a troll. You have gone to a number of his vids and make absurd comments. Clearly you do not like his playing, fine. But your "analyses" are tedious becuase you simply do not get it, or are, most likely, an agent provacateur. Please, go somewhere else.
@dorian411 I am forced by You to adore the music of John? Yes I visit several vids of John...and that's exactly the reason why I made the conclusion as described earlier.. John is poorly talented.. Speed is not (always) a way to impress the audience and especially not when he repeats his self over and over and over again always doing his same thing!!
@Pan3405 "Speed is not (always) a way to impress the audience and especially not when he repeats his self over and over and over again always doing his same thing!!"
The only thing that sounds repetitive are your inadvertent exhibitions of jealousy.
From my personal experience, the guitar players who do the most opining on highly skilled musicians like McLaughlin and Di Meola, happen to be "poorly talented" hacks who are not capable of doing it themselves...(wink) lol
@TheTranslator100 Stronger.. I can hardly play a note on that piece of wood!.. but still find it boring and a semi-intellectual way of showing of.. 'Look I can do those notes in one millisecond!!"
@Pan3405 "because music, melody and harmonies got nothing to do with the attempt to hit the speed barriere on a guitar"
Melody and harmonies will remain melody and harmonies regardless of the speed one chooses to execute them. Everything else is just personal taste - case closed.
"No I won't"
No you won't what?!? Are you a foreigner or something?!? You sound as if you're having a hard time discerning what I'm writing from a grammatical standpoint.
@Pan3405 Let's try OBTUSE instead, but on your part, of course lol
BTW, what you just posted is referred to as an "Ad hominem." The use of Ad hominems is when a person runs out of ideas to fuel his/her argument and has to resort of petty insults. I just thought I would explain that to you, because quite frankly, I don't think an inane moron like you would have knowledge of it...
mclaughlin and di meola, are the greatests guitr virtuos/ composers..their speed, tehnique and creativiti are beyound anithing else
bajko1000 2 weeks ago
technical yes. Ear pleasing, no. This sounds like he is wanking off
devax1986 2 weeks ago
12 miss their hands.
jimihendrixfan2008 1 month ago
Great video but so are the replies to comments to be read. I'm no programmer or anything but if the YouTube engineers could put a button beside replies where it could take you to the original comment that would be good. I mean sometimes you've got twenty pages or more to sift through tryin to find the freakin thing.
shetalkscrazytalk84 1 month ago
@shetalkscrazytalk84 u are so fuckin right-makes me laugh thinkin people are scrollin thru pages to find your comment-
webbplayer 1 month ago
Its not sloppy and his lines make alot of sense imo.
Trust me try playing through that tone/rig..not very forgiving.Props to a amazing musician/guitarist
nylonsteel 1 month ago
What a bunch of young fools.It started with A silent way went right thru bitches brew,thru spaces into mahavishnu and still lives on the edge today.Over 50 years of important guitar.What a bunch of fools.You can not start looking at John at Mahavishnu unless you are stupid.Its sad.No one had the balls to pick up where Django left off except John.'I got nothin aganst modern jazz unless yopu try to play it to damn fast'Who do you think the moptops were talking about?
shreaderkeneter 2 months ago
The most exciting John Mclaughlin for me is his live concerts with the original 5 piece Mahavishnu Orchestra. I have something like 12 hours of live MO from 1972 and 1973. The playing of that band is out of this world. Mclaughlin and Billy Cobham working out together is one of those few and hard to find magical moments in music. Hendrix is the first cosmic experience and then the original MO. Actually McLaughlin's guitar tone with the MO is also the best tone he ever achieved.
jmsbk12345 2 months ago
John McLaughlin is God
cerpintaxt92 2 months ago
maybe it sounds sloppy and with no sense, but he is maybe one of the first shredders
theripper013ok 2 months ago
Man that was shit.
danielkellydoran 3 months ago
John Mclaughlin is one of the great guitarists of the past 50 years. He is a master of the instrument. When I first heard Hendrix as a kid, I was absolutely dumbstruck. I had the same experience when I first heard the original Mahavishnu Orchestra in the mid-70s. ...and again when I first heard Alan Holdsworth. With John, however, it is not only his technical approach to the instrument but his compositional work as well, whether in jazz, fusion, or classical.
vjt418 3 months ago
He's just joking......
2c26 3 months ago
absolutely no soul whatsoever
onepoundpull 4 months ago
v=Om6HDUKBbzE
vinlandr 6 months ago
Give a guy an accoustic and I will tell you who truly he is... John Mclaughlin, Di-Meola, Birelli Lagrene, Stochelo Rosenberg, De Lucia ... all these guys can shred without any sustainer, overdrive or other gimmick most shredder are using in metal. Nylon string shredding like Cherokee from JM is a good exemple...
vinlandr 6 months ago
I've just read the funniest thing ever...somebody called John McLaughlin 'sloppy'. Hmmmm. Where do you even begin to answer that?!! That's on a par with saying Art Tatum needed to practice his scales a bit more.
gh103 6 months ago
as a guitarist whos spent a lot of time working on picking, i can say that that this is not sloppy playing, every note is being picked and fretted at the perfect time.
The issue is he is picking very hard, which causes the too much attack and on distorted electric guitars can create unwanted buzz and kills the notes quickly leaving no sustain.
in essence your hearing a lot of unarticulated/almost-dead-sounding notes played very fast.
if he didnt pick so hard it would sound seamless IMHO
frazerburns91 6 months ago
John McLaughlin is God
cerpintaxt92 7 months ago
el maestro.
fabianidhesona 7 months ago
Is that a '59 he's playing?
socrates1818 7 months ago
fucking jackass. old granddad shit tryin to be the next petrucci or something
Iamcola65 7 months ago
ok, with all this talk about how fast John is playing here (whether or not that is a good thing), no one has mentioned the mad little dance he does right at the end of the video! i mean, come on...is that some drunken dad-dancing at a wedding or office party or what? lol
seriously, he seldom plays this fast...he does it when the song demands it, so i would not ever question this mans ability on the guitar...just listen to Birds of Fire by Mahavishnu, which features no shredding
heavenhelp1982 7 months ago
1/ Coltrane had tone in his sound. McLaughlin has no tone. He should not be allowed near an acoustic guitar. Just awful.
2/ All of his solos sound the same. Ugly phrases.
3/ Olympian technique........ so what?
mddavison54 7 months ago
( 0.32 to 0.43 ) 1000000 times magic fingers magic notes! Incredible skills, virtuosity and personnalty !
santason1987 8 months ago
He's got to be one of the most skilled guitarists alive today!
dann3th3manni3 8 months ago
that's the VINTAGE sound ! No one sounds like this anymore, with this old and ugly sound but magnified by the virtuosity, today too many guitarists are hiding behind effects, mc laughlin plays all the fuckin notes, no slide, it's just like a sax
santason1987 8 months ago 8
@santason1987 "that's the VINTAGE sound"
Actually, McLaughlin used a more aggressive tone in the 70's with Mahavisnu (e.g. Between nothingness and eternity live album)...
TheTranslator100 6 months ago
Horrible ! I recommend Eric Johnson.
sidewinder2803 9 months ago
Eric Johnson plays the platonic scales in an interesting way,but who said the platonic scales were interesting,this guy plays all scales at great pace and is original and his virtuosity in playing from ascend and descend formats is second to none,Phrygian and Dorian scales, mate Johnson and the pretentious Steve Vi play the guitar great but the music is not great,This man's body of work from Graham Bond to Miles Davis to Mahavishnu shows are very talented man.
jasonjuliushaekcmedi 6 months ago
What the hell did i just listion to?
clikityclak 9 months ago 2
Playing quickly isn't everything you know...
carlosdevadip 9 months ago
He is play the Sax on Guitar- its that simple !!!
804ktj 9 months ago
Is it a cheap shot to mention your own capabilities? Perhaps - though arguably deserved, as much down to the hyperbolically negative tone of your assessment as anything. Does making that point mean I ought to display my guitar skill on Youtube? Not really. First I'm not a guitar player (although I did study classical guitar to an advanced level). I do, however, hold two music degrees from an ancient University (1st class BMus (hons) and an MMus in composition). P.s. vibrato is actually at 0:27.
flaneller 9 months ago
7 people are mad because if they put themselves on crystal meth they couldnt move their hands that fast
itsusrossandellie 9 months ago
john mcalughlin is one of rare guitar players who has playing and composing albites on the sam level...from 70tis to now he change the evolution of music for several times....from tony williams to miles davis....from mahavishnu orchestra to shakti...from solo to concerto for guitar and orchestra...and he is also rhitmicali most gifted guitar player...listen to hi albums...he is the greatest guitar player composer of 20 and 21.st...compare to him john patrucci looks like schoolar
bajko1000 9 months ago
widdle !! shit !!
papalazerus22 9 months ago
Lmao what the hell was that?
clikityclak 9 months ago
I'm sorry, but I've never liked McLaughlin. I don't know why so many people defend him. His playing is extremely sloppy, his tone is atrocious and he doesn't use any legato, bends or vibrato which makes his playing seem robotic.
tighttritenight 9 months ago
@tighttritenight
HOLA, take "a HANDFUL OF BEAUTY" and you´ll have crazy bendings, good taste and pure magic. Mclaughlin has worked many faces of music, you just have TO PLAY HIS ALBUMS!
llafutaal 9 months ago 5
@llafutaal I'll have to check it out because up til now, I haven't heard a recording of his that I've liked. Thanks for the info though
tighttritenight 9 months ago
@tighttritenight HOLA, I always says the same thing: check out: A HANDFUL OF BEAUTY, NATURAL ELEMENTS of first SHAKTI. Afther that BELO HORIZONTE, ALL THE GUITAR TRIO STUFF, MAHAVISHNU ALBUM (1984) and JOHN MCLAUGHLIN TRIO "live at the royal festival hall" and "qué alegría" albums and YOU CAN MISS THE IMPACT OF THE FIRST MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA ALBUMS.
llafutaal 9 months ago 2
@tighttritenight watch the vid of him, al dimeola and paco de lucia... that is his element.
realitymodel2 5 months ago
@tighttritenight After enduring your banal, cheesily cliched blues based "jamming" escapades, I can honestly say you've got some fucking cheek criticizing McLaughlin!
flaneller 9 months ago
@flaneller I agree with you on my own playing, but then again I am an accountant by trade and not considered a world class musician like McLaughlin is. That, however, does not exclude the man from criticism. According to you, I can not criticize Mclaughlin because my own skill level does not match his. Using this same logic, I'll say that you can't defend him unless your skill level matches his....where are your videos?
tighttritenight 9 months ago
@tighttritenight You misrepresent my point. I was not criticising your "skill" levels per se, but merely the absurdity of someone audaciously expressing suprise that anyone would "defend" him, but who has himslef downloaded video betraying his self-admittedly dubious capablities and creative taste. If you'd just said "I don't like his playing because it's sloppy, doesn't use bends etc", fair enough, even if it's a factually incorect statement (isn't that vibrato at 0:30, a bend at 0:45 etc?!).
flaneller 9 months ago
@flaneller Just because I never escaped the minor pentatonic scale does not mean that I doubt my "creative tastes". I would kill myself if I was forced to listen to blues based guitar playing for the rest of my life. I actually have very cultured tastes, and I do enjoy jazz-fusion guitar...just not McLaughlin. Also, I used the word "any" as a hyperbole. Obviously, he utilizes vibrato and bends to some degree.
tighttritenight 9 months ago
@tighttritenight
if that is the case then even if you don't like his soloing you have to, at the very least from a jazz perspective, see why it's amazing to others and in a universal context
ragglefraggle09 8 months ago
@tighttritenight AH! I´ve forgot the two albums of classical "THE MEDITERRANEAN" and the insuperable "THIEVES AND POETS" and check out: NEW YORK ON MY MIND - THE UNKNOWN DISSIDENT, THE DARK PRINCE...
llafutaal 9 months ago
@llafutaal Electric guitarist deserves a mention too.
snakeweirdo 3 months ago
@tighttritenight check out his acoustic playing and tell me it's sloppy.. try Friday night in San Francisco for example with Al di meola and Paco de Lucia.. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, especially his electric playing as you say it sometime lacks soul due to lack of blues style phrasing.. but his acoustic playing is something else
JOHNNYG99X 9 months ago
@tighttritenight I understand. When I was young I heard some Mahavishnu and didn't care for his playing. Blew him off for 10 years or so and later found he had many different facets to his playing and found the ones I liked. I like Heart Of Things era a lot.
Composer19691 9 months ago
@tighttritenight I'm not a huge Mahavishnu fan myself. It's epic, but it is also stuffy, funkless, 70s shred fusion. McLaughlin's performances on the Bitches Brew-era Miles Davis records are the most interesting parts of those sessions. His sneering, angular parts with Miles fit so well with the huge funk.
yourjesus 9 months ago
@tighttritenight Well. Listen to Yngwie Malmsteen....less speed than him..using the same scales 'till paranoid, A sound that's freightfull...his problem is to be faster than any else (and he's not). Right. For me John is 1000 upper than those kind of shredders.
1974romina 9 months ago
@tighttritenight I am a huge mclauhglin fan, and I have to admit that on this solo he is actually a bit robotic, but every single thing of his music, exept maybe this, is extremely soulful, powerful and full of pure beauty and expression. and for example on the youtube video of his performance at clapton's crossroads there was a jerk that said that mclaughlin and jeff beck use too much vibrato and bendings, and he thinks that their music sucks because of this. what can you say now?
keo774 9 months ago
@tighttritenight man , i can understand u don't llike mclaughlin but music is opened and one thing i can say to you is that John McLaughlin KNOWS the music and if he can go out like this or free, it's cause he perfectly knows jazz harmony.
And for me like llafutaal the "MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA" is an incredible and unique experience.
santason1987 8 months ago
@tighttritenight Apology accepted. When I first heard John McLagihlin play music started to make sense. After that I discovered Bach and I realised that some musicians just have a special genius, or spirit that is just very special. McLauglin is one of those musicians. His non-legato lines are just his style. His tone is unique - just open your ears. As for playing sloppy - Ha ha ha!
galvinstephe 8 months ago
@tighttritenight Yeah, this does nothing for me either. McLaughlin is really hit or miss for me. I absolutely love My Goals Beyond and Extrapolation. In fact, they're two of my favorite albums. Seen him live 3 times. He was brilliant in one concert. But in the other two, it seemed like he had an ego about not having an ego. I felt it in his playing and in his energy.
LorenzoNW 8 months ago
@tighttritenight
Sloppy? I think not.
urheadonastick 7 months ago
@tighttritenight
His playing is extremely sloppy I agree.. But who am I to say...
I also don't like his style, his tone sucks because he uses anything, I've seen him on the entire spectrum of brands... ending up with out a signature tone... Aside from the fact that he's just simply too full of himself and one proud snobbish motherfucker.
dangraphic 7 months ago
@dangraphic sloppy? are you crazy or something? is because of the overdrive he uses. if he used some kind of metal distortion like petrucci or herman li, you woudn't even hear the notes, because is too fuckin fast. it would sounded like coltrane, you would hear a sheets of sounds, if John used a metal distortion.
fabianidhesona 7 months ago
@fabianidhesona "if he used some kind of metal distortion like petrucci or herman li, you woudn't even hear the notes, because is too fuckin fast."
McLaughlin and Di Meola are faster than all those Metal shredders. Petrucci, Bucketface, Paul Gilbert - even Malmsteen. Metal fans kiss their ass simply because they play Metal; a genre of music they can identify with - and that's the gist of it. I for one don't listen to Classical, but I'll be the first to admit that they are superior musicians...
TheTranslator100 6 months ago
@tighttritenight
who gives a crap about sloppy. Fast or slow its about emotion and presents. Interacting with the other musicians on stage. I can program my synth to play 10,000 notes all perfect but it is not music.
The dude can do anything and he does all of it well. He has created some of the most incredible music ever written IMHO. If you are too focused on being ultra accurate you are wasting your time. Its about getting your point across musically.
sharkb0yJ0hn 6 months ago
@tighttritenight SLOPPY????!!!!!!!!!! McLaughlin SLOPPY??????? You are out of your fuckin mind dude!!!!
pebberbrown 6 months ago
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TheTranslator100 6 months ago
@tighttritenight "His playing is extremely sloppy"
Dude, this is TRUE alternate picking, not the lame-ass tremolo picking many Rock players try to pass off as alternate picking. Take away the tons of gear, and most Metal player ain't shit.
Legato, bends or vibrato?!? Sounds like a bunch of Metal garbage, if you ask me. Classical and Flamenco players don't bend of use excessive vibrato (or what Frank Gambale refers to as the "choking a chicken" sound lol) either, so what's your take on that?!?
TheTranslator100 6 months ago
@tighttritenight maybe you don't know the album "Extrapolation", a very full spirit minded album.
sticconti 6 months ago
@tighttritenight
for anyone interested go back to the 60's and check out McLaughlin's playing with Miles Davis. I'd suggest finding the tune "Right Off" by Miles Davis and you can hear John playing with Miles on the Jack Johnson sessions. McLaughlin's "sloppiness" there is all about feeling--not robotic at all, more greasy and loose...anyway, check it out.
huckfinn135 5 months ago
@tighttritenight actually he uses vibrato and legato in this very piece .. agree crown courtabout his tone in this tune, though. But he plays with amazing tone elsewhere.
lonegroover 5 months ago
@tighttritenight
mclaughlin sloppy ???? are you serious ??? this man has the most precise alternate picking technique ever even shawn lane said his was the ultimate pick master !!
algrand90 5 months ago
@tighttritenight Understood.
I think what makes John McLaughlin great is his use of a relatively clean old-school jazz based tone. And in those incredibly fast runs, you actually hear a lot of famous jazz quotes from Coltrane solos and the like.
If you're not versed in a jazz vocabulary, you wouldn't know what you're hearing. At the same time, I wouldn't call his sound beautiful. It's fast and sublime. There's lot of hidden music in all that chaos of sound that he generates.
darazn1 4 months ago
@tighttritenight do don't have any idea what your talking about! sure everyone messes up from timte to time but that doesn't make him sloppy and just listen to his first album and you'll find enough "bending and vibratos"
MitchellTFredrickson 4 months ago
@tighttritenight It's an acquired taste. In order to understand John's approach it helps to understand the Indian rhythmic stanza and Coltrane's "wall of sound" effect. Coltrane also was highly influenced by Eastern music.
To many Western ears, it comes across as perhaps self absorbed or meaningless but it's alot to do with freeness of spirit. But i do understand what you mean.
Ironically though, sometimes McLaughlin can be as economical, notewise, as Miles Davis.
taildragger53 4 months ago
@tighttritenight Whenever i hear John, and i've seen him perform since 1967, his playing presents visions of angels & demons battling in Indian mythology.(like Coltrane)
To some,he conveys the impression that he is egocentric and he does lose me sometimes but infact he's quite the opposite..such a humble guy. Like Allan Holdsworth. But he's chameleon-like. Perhaps you'd like his version of "My Foolish Heart'?
I've always found that to be a nice one.
taildragger53 4 months ago
@tighttritenight soloing for the moment, & just LISTEN to what the man wrote/created, listen to his melodic & rhythmic sensibility (unHEARD of in rock music for the time), & THEN imagine what an onslaught (& trust me, it WAS; i was THERE) of pure ideas it must've been hearing performed live with THAT band! the man completely took ALL of the rock players that were REAL musos & stood them on their heads. WHERE do you think e johnson got HIS phrasing from? there were NO blues doublepickers in '72!
badmuddy 4 months ago
@tighttritenight listen to the original recording of "the dance of maya" from the 1s mahavishnut lp, inner mounting flame, and... (accidentally erased from front end of 1st post)
badmuddy 4 months ago
@tighttritenight FUKKK!!@! and FORGET the soloing for the...
badmuddy 4 months ago
@tighttritenight Dislike as much as you want. His tone is gorgeous, the problem is with your ears. Sorry, but It seems like you don't really know what you are talking about. Jazz fusion was heavily influenced by cool jazz, modal jazz and free jazz and there's no place for lots of bends, vibratos and legatos. Bends are for rock and blues and vibratos are for opera singers, not for jazz guitar players. So your problem is not with JM, but with jazz in general.
lufelima 3 months ago
@tighttritenight no bends? so the scalloped fretboard acoustic he used with Shakti was just somewhere to keep his joss sticks, right?
filtecuk 1 month ago
he is the best...no one like him...check out all his albums and colaborations and you will se what i am talking about...and if you are not in it go to watching fucking GTR with average guitar players on the satrianis level with plastic sound...music wich is good only for need for speed computer game
bajko1000 10 months ago
john mcalughlin is guitar god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! without him i will be lost in this 21 first century sintetic crap average shreed guitar players without any clue how to write a greate compostions
bajko1000 10 months ago
great playing, but that tone sounds like a 10 watt practice amp with built in overdrive.
arsehole420 10 months ago
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@arsehole420 "great playing, but that tone sounds like a 10 watt practice amp with built in overdrive."
Sounds like a low quality tube amp...like the Marshall Haze...but then again; people who follow his shows are only there to see his technique and picking speed...
TheTranslator100 10 months ago
If guitarists were sucked into the Marvel universe, I'd say this gent would have the power levels of say... Silver Surfer, actually, make that Galactus :-)
esgimasd 10 months ago
C'est dingue ce que c'est moche
gregdamp 11 months ago
Impresionante .Todo un virtuoso.
cerpintaxt92 11 months ago
hes damn good but his tone is so weak, dont get me wrong im blown away by his skill but anyone who is honest has to admit the tone is very weak
Magicquickfingers 1 year ago
@Magicquickfingers
Yes and I would like to hear some more bends and vibrato too. Electric guitar with sustain sounds boring with no bends or vibrato in general. His choice of notes and picking is great though.
SevenCircles 11 months ago
@Magicquickfingers
Yeah, his tone was a lot more aggressive in the 70's with Mahavishnu...
TheTranslator100 10 months ago
@Magicquickfingers well. think about it this way: its complretely different than everyone else. There must be a reason why he does it. Its not like he can't afford a nice amp. Artists are very meticulous about every aspect of the way they express themselves. He has that tone because 1) its close to, or exactly what he wants 2) he doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks.
lydianflatseven 10 months ago
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i hear so much cool Coltrane in Mclaughlin's approach-
Coltrane opened this terrain
amsterjam66 1 year ago
i hear so much cool Coltrane in Mclaughlin's approach-
Coltrane opened this terrrain
amsterjam66 1 year ago 9
for me personally...john mclaughlin, al di meola, steve hackett, robert fripp, steve howe, allan holdsworth, paco de lucia are the most creative and in style indvidual an unique guitar players and also the most influential in last 30 years....and everything wath has came after this guys is a bad imitation...we have come frome artisticly gifted guitar players to some kind of schoolar guitar players....all today guitar players like gilbert, buckethead, batio...the best of them are petrucci, vai
bajko1000 1 year ago
@bajko1000 "all today guitar players like gilbert, buckethead, batio...the best of them are petrucci, vai"
I personally like Govan Guthrie, because of his Gypsy Jazz playing on acoustic...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
for all you gilbert fans....paul gilbert will need to live for about 1000 years and playing guitar and study compositoin to achive half of john mclaughlin talent....john mcalughlin was makeing an essential music when gilbert was shiting in his underpants and crying beacouse his parents didnt want to buy him a new LEGO...and today isnt much diffrent...mclaughlin still createing a masterpices and gilbert creating an average hard rock with a little better solo guitar...
bajko1000 1 year ago
@bajko1000 Dude come on. People at the level of Gilbert and Mclaughlin really can't be compared. They are both masters in their own unique styles.. Also, Paul might be the nicest guy in the entire music industry. He has no ego, and he he cool and friendly to everyone.
QuotidianHegemony 1 year ago
@bajko1000 Dude, if Paul Gilbert were 1000 years OLDER than McLaughlin, he'd still be light years away in overall technique, and most definitely improvising skills. It's almost useless to compare the 2. McLaughlin is a Jazz Fusion musician, for Pete's sake, and Paul Gilbert is a Rocker - Paul is automatically going to be behind in certain areas. It's called facts of life. If Paul Gilbert, Steve Vai, Satch, et.al were to compete with Fusion players, they're gonna have to play Fusion, not Rock...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
I honestly think that was horrible sounding? He could not possibly have been trying to sound like that. Is this a joke video?
roost24 1 year ago
@roost24 "I honestly think that was horrible sounding?"
I honestly think the only thing that was horrible is the fact I can't play it lol
"Is this a joke video?"
I dunno, maybe your observation is a joke? lmao
First of all, what is your example of something not horrible?!? If it's strait up Jazz, such as George Benson, Joe Pass, Pat Martino, et.al, then it's just "traditional" Jazz bias, and I can accept that. But pleeeze, if your idea of not horrible is Metal, don't even think about it...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 Fuck off...Who the fuck are you and why would think I give a shit what you say?
roost24 1 year ago
THANX. anybody wanna try and write this out????haha
diagreen 1 year ago
I thought that sucked.
bwlee24fsu 1 year ago
@bwlee24fsu "I thought that sucked. "
If all I were accustomed to hearing was a bunch of Rock/Metal riffs over the same simple chord progressions, I guess it would suck to me as well. Now if you're a Jazz purist who thought it sucked because it wasn't in the context of "traditional" Jazz playing, then you may have a credible argument - biased, but more credible than comparing it to some mediocre Rock crap.
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
John Garris can play this stuff on a martin D-18!!!
crawdad2006 1 year ago
@crawdad2006 "John Garris can play this stuff on a martin D-18!!!"
So can John McLaughlin!!!
Sorry dude, but I've heard this Garris Country guy. He's good at what he does, but he's like another Glen Campbell or Roy Clark - nowhere near McLaughlin in picking speed; use of differences scales, and playing over complex chord changes, etc. They're 2 different players.
I've learned that shilling for people simply because I admire them is not a credible way to present facts on a discussion board...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
man, mclaughlin needs to be in a metal band :P
DoubleEdgedSword12 1 year ago
@DoubleEdgedSword12 "man, mclaughlin needs to be in a metal band :P"
Naw, there's not enough chords in Metal to challenge guys like McLaughlin. Anyway, the old Mahavisnu Orchestra makes most Metal bands sound dainty...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
He should watch a Paul Gilbert instructional video. The picking needs work!
thecoldnovrain89 1 year ago
@thecoldnovrain89 that's a good joke. gilbert plays his one chord improvisations like a primitive. did he ever play over chord changes? Give me an example where gilbert improvises over more than 3 chords. By the way john's picking is one of the most perfect in the realm of jazz guitar.
florafox 1 year ago
@florafox
Gilbert can´t play Jazz to save his life ;) he is slightly cleaner then Mclaughlin while playing superfast though.
One thing a like about Gilbert is his vibrato I have rarely heard John play with a vibrato and I love a really good vibrato
SevenCircles 1 year ago
@SevenCircles "he is slightly cleaner then Mclaughlin while playing superfast though."
I differ in opinion. McLaughlin is picking all or most of the notes. When you put it in slow motion, you can clearly hear every note. With this type of speed picking (or alternate picking), you can play on electric or acoustic. The legato thing Gilbert does only works on distorted electric. Another example of "superfast" and clean is Al Di Meola. I agree with his sentiments regarding legato, tapping, etc...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@thecoldnovrain89 His picking needs work?!? What is this, more clueless Metal logic?!?
Paul Gilbert doesn't even alternate pick, although he's good at doing hammer-ons and pull-offs, just like all Metal guys are. If Paul Gilbert were to square off with McLaughlin, Di Meola, or Bireli Lagrene in an acoustic setting, he's get eaten alive. He'd be forced to pick more of the notes; the pull-off thing he does is too limited, especially if there are more than 3 basic chords to improvise over.
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100
Paul is widely recognised as one of the best alternatepickers in the world. His knowledge of scales and jazztheory is very limited though but he can improvise fluently in any of the standard modes, phrygian, Dorian, Mixolydian etc and play stringskipping arpeggios like almost no other rockguitarist can.
SevenCircles 1 year ago
@SevenCircles "play stringskipping arpeggios like almost no other rockguitarist can."
Paul Gilbert is the master of stringskipping arpeggios, like Gambale is the master of sweeping. It looks easy the way Gilbert demonstrates it, so I might give it a try. It can't be any trickier than Gambale's sweeping, though...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
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TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@SevenCircles I saw a couple of Paul's instructional videos on alternate picking. To tell you the truth, it sounds like the same generic Rock riffs from the 60's & 70's, but with more picking action, hardly close to anything McLaughlin or any of the Fusion Jazz guys are doing in terms of complexity and phrasing.
Check out "Rene's Theme" with McLaughlin and Coryell on acoustic, and you'll hear the true meaning of improvisational skill and melody - WITHOUT the use of extreme speed...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100
You haven´t seen him playing classical transcriptions then I guess, or his amazing technique for playing 3 octave string skippipng arpeggios, or his tasteful use of lefthand stretches in Snakebite with Racer X?
His choice of notes is not very interesting in general though that´s true but his pickingtechnique is very clean and the heavy an I love that sound, he can play the acoustic really well too.
SevenCircles 1 year ago
@SevenCircles I've heard him play all of the above, the most impressive being his 3 octave string skipping arpeggios.
His Classical playing is not authentic Classical or Flamenco, by his own admittance. The riffs on Snakebite sound like typical fast Metal stuff. A great player in his own genre, though...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
good...but alvin lee is better...
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@Fantomex92 "good...but alvin lee is better..."
LOL...ROTFLOL...Fantomex92 I guess you never got passed "I'm going home" off Woodstock...lol.
Alvin Lee was pretty awesome compared to guys like Neil Young back then, but you can't be serious?!?
Alvin Lee is just another primitive Rock guitarist from the 60's-70's, who's not near the level of today's Rock'Metal players in terms of technical skill - let alone a Fusion monster like McLaughlin. Amazing...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 I got the whole Alvin Lee's Discography,I play guitar since 12 years and i listen guitarists like Django Reinhardt,Eddie Lang,Page,Hendrix ecc.so I got all knowledge to talk about that...you seem just a little prick...Alvin Lee use in his songs all type of guitar skills and techinques and can reach the highest speed possible...but the thing that make him difference compared to all other guitarist is the accuracy...he don't miss a single note in every live or studio record...
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@Fantomex92 "Alvin Lee use in his songs all type of guitar skills and techinques and can reach the highest speed possible."
LOL...ROTFLOL...Fantomex92 your inability to distinguish truly skilled players from mediocre ones is an indication of your own skill level ...lol.
You've been playing 12 years?!? It only took 2 years for that primitive Alvin Lee/Jimmy Page shit to get old, before moving on to McLaughlin, Di Meola, Benson, et.al.
Wake up, you're stuck in a time warp lmao
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 AND I CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN,DJANGO REINHARDT,THIS IDIOT NAMED JOHN MCLAUGHLIN AND OTHER GUITARISTS LIKE THEM SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@Fantomex92 IF YOU CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN,DJANGO REINHARDT,THIS IDIOT NAMED JOHN MCLAUGHLIN AND OTHER GUITARISTS LIKE THEM, YOU WOULDN'T BE SO IMPRESSED WITH AN AVERAGE PLAYER LIKE ALVIN LEE - WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL, YOU CRASS MORON?!? YOU CAN TAKE YOUR 12 YEARS OF PLAYING AND TRY TO FOOL SOMEONE ELSE...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
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Fantomex92 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 I DON'T NEED TO FOOL ANYONE BECAUSE I AM NOT THE ONE WHO PASS HIS LIFE ON YOUTUBE TRYIN' TO MEASURE HIS FRUSTRATION WITH OTHER GUYS!!HERE I CAN'T PROVE THAT I CAN PLAY GUITAR..AS WELL AS YOU!IF YOU KNEW COMPLETELY ALVIN LEE AS ME,YOU COULD COMPARE THE SKILL WITH THE OTHERS ,BUT YOU TALK JUST ABOUT "I'M GOIN' HOME"!!YOU DON'T KNOW OTHER SONGS IN WHICH HE SHOWS HIS ACOUSTIC AND ELECTRIC SKILL (YEAR 3000 BLUES,HELP ME LIVE AT MARQUEE ECC.)!SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!I REPEAT:"BYE NERD"
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@Fantomex92 "YOU DON'T KNOW OTHER SONGS IN WHICH HE SHOWS HIS ACOUSTIC AND ELECTRIC SKILL (YEAR 3000 BLUES,HELP ME LIVE AT MARQUEE"
FASCINATING THAT WITH ALL THAT TAP DANCING YOU JUST DID YOU STILL DON'T GET IT. BYE TO YOU AS WELL, AND THANKS FOR THE COMIC RELIEF...lol.
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 another stupid youtubber. why dont you shut up? your opinion isnt that important at last... maybe you just dont understand this music. naturally you suck.
keo774 1 year ago
@keo774
WTF are you talking about you vexatious pest?!? I'm giving McLaughlin all the credit he deserves, and you make crass comments in reply?!? Either you have comprehension issues, or you're a total moron - which one is it?!?
Quite frankly, I suspect a vast majority of comments on youtube are posted by an Internet CHATTERBOT (e.g. a computer program designed to mimic human conversation). Don't think for a second I'm not aware of this form of Internet duplicity, I've seen it on many forums.
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@keo774 "maybe you just dont understand this music"
Maybe you just don't understand how to read and write.
I suggest that the site owner invest in an upgraded CHATBOT. The one currently in use is apparently programmed to simulate a person with the intellectual capacity of an Hispanic gang-banger wannabe...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
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@TheTranslator100 i ha a problem understanding your comment: when you said
@Fantomex92 IF YOU CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN,DJANGO REINHARDT,THIS IDIOT NAMED JOHN MCLAUGHLIN AND OTHER GUITARISTS LIKE THEM, YOU WOULDN'T BE SO IMPRESSED WITH AN AVERAGE PLAYER LIKE ALVIN LEE i thought you were aganist mclaighlin. i didnt follow reading ( when you said - WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL, YOU CRASS MORON?!? YOU CAN TAKE YOUR 12 YEARS OF PLAYING AND TRY TO FOOL SOMEONE ELSE... )
keo774 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 actually my pc is having troubles with youtube coments im sorry
i always send comments to the wrong person
keo774 1 year ago
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@TheTranslator100 Oh...and...before speaking about arguments that you don't know completely...search on youtube "Stratocaster Blues (Ten Years After)" and "Help Me (Ten Years After live from Marquee)" and listen songs like "I May Be Wrong" and "Woodchoppers Ball" (both from Undead), "Year 3000 Blues","Ain't Nothing Shakin' " and "I Can't Keep From Crying Sometimes" (Live at Isle Of Wight)......after a documentation,you will be able to speak about Alvin Lee....
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@Fantomex92 Dude, I've heard some of the tunes you've suggested, and it's the same old primitive White blues shit from the 60's-70's. I used to be an Alvin Lee freak myself, before moving on to better things. If there's anyone who's qualified to speak of Alvin Lee, wouldn't it be someone who's actually sat down an imitated his shit note for note, before eventually getting bored with it?!?
Live at Isle Of Wight? lmao! That statement alone diminishes your credibility, as far as I'm concerned lol
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 You speak,write and think like a poor,aborted nerd...so I wont' miss other time speaking with a fake expert ,who wrote 392938449893 comments to 9349134913974973479 users a day on youtube saying crap, like you...however.my knowledge include jazz,rock,and acoustic guitarists and I can play about 10/15 notes on second and every genre stuff..metal is playing licks on the same part of the neck...blues,rock,jazz (not FUSION) moves all over the neck so IT'S MORE DIFFICULT YOU IDIOT!
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@Fantomex92
LAUGHING OUT LOUD...ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING OUT LOUD...Fantomex92 I think you'd be more successful as a comedian instead...lol.
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 YOU pass your're life checkin' your email inbox,writing "LOL,ROTFL" and SPEAKING ABOUT OTHER GUYS AS IF THEY WERE YOU..and then have the courage to call someone else "COMEDIAN"??!!PLAYING METAL AND FUSION CONSISTS IN PLAYING THE EXERCISE THAT I DID WHEN I WAS 12!ALVIN LEE PLAY VERY VERY FAST AND IN ADDITION HE MUST SPACE ON THE WHOLE NECK TO GET A GOOD TUNE (JAZZ,ROCK,BLUES) AND THIS IS MORE DIFFICOULT!!THAT'S WHY I'M IMPRESSED,EVEN IF I CAN PLAY MALMSTEEN! BYE ABORTED NERD
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 and if you think that alvin lee is equal to page,allman,blackmoore,ecc.ecc (a primitve rock guitarist from the '60)...you are very very very wrong...when you have some freetime in your gloomy life made of comments on youtube,listen something..and you'll understand why he is "ten years after"
Fantomex92 1 year ago
@Fantomex92 "and you'll understand why he is "ten years after""
Let's make it "Forty years after" lol
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
look at the greatest jazz guitar players of all time. Django, Barney Kessel, Jim Hall, Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass, they never changed anything, they played exactly the same style their whole life through, they did not "develop" as you say. But they were great. Why don't you critizise fast playing flute and sax players, fast keyboarders, fast trumpet players, fast cello players, ? I agree what you say about Paco. to meet John McLaughlin was one of the best things for him.
florafox 1 year ago 2
Wow....amazing
cromlechs 1 year ago
AAARGH! Why the fuck cant I pick like that!?
MrShnizzle69 1 year ago 2
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@MrShnizzle69 Why do You want to..
Pan3405 1 year ago
@Pan3405 "Why do You want to"
Cause it's technically difficult and impressive, you friggin dolt...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 noo it's a misunderstanding that it is difficult.. but keep believing it's difficult.. Youtube is loaded with fast playing semi intellectual crap guitarists.. So You can eat Your heart out!
Pan3405 1 year ago
What was that all about?
Boingusboingus 1 year ago
McLaughlin dont got no swagger on stage.. Id rather jst hear him then watch him sit up there playing so stiffly
atl2maryland 1 year ago
@atl2maryland "McLaughlin dont got no swagger on stage"
He's a guitarist/musician, not a pop entertainer. Plus, you've got to play that soul type of Jazz to have that swagger like George Benson, and Norman Brown, especially.
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 What does having stage presence and a little bit of swag have to do with pop?!? I dont listen to pop music and dont know much about it other than it is a "genre". Im just saying his stage show is kind of dry.
atl2maryland 1 year ago
@atl2maryland "What does having stage presence and a little bit of swag have to do with pop?!? "
What does having stage presence and a little bit of swag have to do with Fusion?!?
In most cases, music based on technical virtuosity tends to lack swag, being that the primary focus is on technical execution, not stage presence (unless it's Jaco Pastorius). George Benson and Norman Brown are brothas who play rhythmic soul type Jazz, so they naturally have "swag."
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@jeffbeckgeek1 using those names in connection with John McLaughlin, shows you just don't get it . next time listen for the music in McLaughlin not just the speed.
jsilence418 1 year ago
Amazing stream of notes but I really like McLaughlin when he plays indian music on the acoustic guitar.
EZIOTHEMASTER 1 year ago
Greggory the Peccory ... don't waste your time on the young grasshopper ! with his attitude he will never be able to snatch the pebble from Master McLaughlin's hand ! LOL ! ps .. you ARE a Zappa fan, yes ? Me too ! another great master was The Zappa ! Master McLaughlin can not be tarnished, the grasshopper only poops his own pants for all to see ... trouble yourself not. Enjoy the blessings of the stringmaster in the fullness of his melodies ! All is Bliss as Master McLaughlin would say !
videocanone 1 year ago
Before his time x1000
ExtremeBogom 1 year ago
You can't go wrong with these kind of chords.. it sucks!!!
Pan3405 1 year ago
@Pan3405 "You can't go wrong with these kind of chords.. it sucks!!!"
I used to think that when I first heard Mahavishnu, after being a hammer-on/pull-off rocker myself in the early 80's.
Appreciating this genre of music is an acquired taste. As one acquires more skill, and an ear for sophistication, the less CLUELESS one becomes.
Man, I'm now convinced that mediocrity is the lingua franca of youtube...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
what I am looking for is a place sells guitars that have sympathetic strings or a luthier that could giv e me some insight in what it would take to turn a simple dreadnaught guitar into something similar to what Jm plays like on Shakti Joy I'd really like to go there and start doing some experimental stuff with a guitar that has sympathetic strings
spidergawd1 1 year ago
No... he is really boring.. eachtime Machine Gun Guitar playing.. Awful!!
Pan3405 1 year ago
@Pan3405 I know why I go to all JMacs vid, but you ? You are a merely a troll. You have gone to a number of his vids and make absurd comments. Clearly you do not like his playing, fine. But your "analyses" are tedious becuase you simply do not get it, or are, most likely, an agent provacateur. Please, go somewhere else.
dorian411 1 year ago
@dorian411 I am forced by You to adore the music of John? Yes I visit several vids of John...and that's exactly the reason why I made the conclusion as described earlier.. John is poorly talented.. Speed is not (always) a way to impress the audience and especially not when he repeats his self over and over and over again always doing his same thing!!
Pan3405 1 year ago
@Pan3405 Give it a rest you tone deaf fool. If your goal was to prove that you're the biggest idiot around-mission accomplished.
Gregorypeckory 1 year ago
@Pan3405 "Speed is not (always) a way to impress the audience and especially not when he repeats his self over and over and over again always doing his same thing!!"
The only thing that sounds repetitive are your inadvertent exhibitions of jealousy.
From my personal experience, the guitar players who do the most opining on highly skilled musicians like McLaughlin and Di Meola, happen to be "poorly talented" hacks who are not capable of doing it themselves...(wink) lol
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 Stronger.. I can hardly play a note on that piece of wood!.. but still find it boring and a semi-intellectual way of showing of.. 'Look I can do those notes in one millisecond!!"
Pan3405 1 year ago
@Pan3405 "a semi-intellectual way of showing of.. 'Look I can do those notes in one millisecond!!"
Well, like they say - when you got it, flaunt it lol
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 No I won't, because music, melody and harmonies got nothing to do with the attempt to hit the speed barriere on a guitar
Pan3405 1 year ago
@Pan3405 "because music, melody and harmonies got nothing to do with the attempt to hit the speed barriere on a guitar"
Melody and harmonies will remain melody and harmonies regardless of the speed one chooses to execute them. Everything else is just personal taste - case closed.
"No I won't"
No you won't what?!? Are you a foreigner or something?!? You sound as if you're having a hard time discerning what I'm writing from a grammatical standpoint.
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 You bore me.. pfff...
Pan3405 1 year ago
@Pan3405 "You bore me.. pfff..."
How can something bore you when you don't have the intellectual capacity to discern it?!?
TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@TheTranslator100 Boring...
Pan3405 1 year ago
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TheTranslator100 1 year ago
@Pan3405 Let's try OBTUSE instead, but on your part, of course lol
BTW, what you just posted is referred to as an "Ad hominem." The use of Ad hominems is when a person runs out of ideas to fuel his/her argument and has to resort of petty insults. I just thought I would explain that to you, because quite frankly, I don't think an inane moron like you would have knowledge of it...
TheTranslator100 1 year ago