these men is what you call heroes they they gathered round for a minute and said there's not enough room and then two soliders hoped on the side and said lets get our fallen comrade
Not the fallen comrade you limp thinker, the guy on the side of the helicopter. Risking another life for two eyes when there's state of the art cameras on the chopper's nose? Stupid.
@92benno92 What do the cameras have to do with him sitting on the side? They went in, landed and he jumped off, it wasn't a recce, it was a rescue mission.
Respond to this video... Worship is the problem. Even if hanging onto the side of a helicopter were an extraordinary feat (which it isn't) these people would not deserve *worship*. But so long as you give it to them, freely and uncritically, they will be abused as an instrument of power.
in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is a c..t
@wank0r its just an added capability of the Apache, of course the British armed forces have transport choppers, every military does, however there isn't always time or the ability to use them in emergency/combat situations.
Apaches do not have 'wings' they have pylons or 'hard mount points.' (The terms vary with the country and/or service)
The closest thing to wings on a helicopter are called 'rotors' and as for strapping anyone to them in flight.....hopefully you can figure out the "Hell NO" in that idea?
@DrMotorDude its hell no for someone not in combat but when your friends are under fire and injured you dont have time to piss around waiting for a Lynx or Black Hawk You need to think on your feet and improvise with what you have at your disposal. unlike you they dont have the LUXURY of debating wether an Apache has wings or not .
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@ProbablyCoolerThanU Worship is the problem. Even if hanging onto the side of a helicopter were an extraordinary feat (which it isn't) these people would not deserve *worship*. But so long as you give it to them, freely and uncritically, they will be abused as an instrument of power.
@AFSOCbum it might be but its never been done in combat we where the first to do it and some of the marines werent strapped on, i read the book by the pilot ed macy the brit apache pilot broke loads of records that day, u should read the book i recommend it,
@jhnb12876 nooo we got rid of those ages ago for our main attack heli, we use the AgustaWestland Apache now, thinks it pretty much the same as the AH-64 apache with a change of engines and we have folding blades for use at see on the aircraft carriers
@lewisx20x20x20 The Lynx is a medium transport helicopter, equivalent to that of a US Blackhawk (although smaller), the only standard armament on it is either a 7.62mm GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun), or an upgraded version of the M2 Browning (.50 cal) Machine gun mounted for use by a door gunner.
The Apache is an attack helicopter, the Lynx is a transport helicopter.
Wikapedia up "Lynx helicopter" then "Apache helicopter", it'll tell you what which is used for and such. :)
@smith3451 I know, it's much like the Huey helicopter, it had multiple roles but as a base it was a transport helicopter, or maybe more apropriately a utility helicopter.
@IbanezJoey yes i am sure. I was thinking the whole time i was watching this why did they not call the US for help. i am sure we would have helped if we could and i know we hwve more equipment there. Or the French, they do combat patrols also.
@jhnb12876 Whether there were Lynx helicopters on hand or not, they would not have stood up to the beating that the Apache's took during the rescue, neither could they hit hard the targets before dropping the men. With the Taliban firepower in the area described by the men, a Lynx would have most likely been downed in the rescue.
@jhnb12876 The real truth is,,,,,, all tho the early lynx, was fast and agile, it suffered in very hot Climes, as such its role in places like Afghaniistan was severely curtailed, so removed from service,,
Yea the Brits suffered from bad management on helicopter resources
They should all get VCs, yes, but the crosses are made out of melted russian cannons captured during the Crimean war, so they're in very limited supply unfortunately :/
The reporter said at the end that the British lack light transport aircraft that could have been used in this operation, untrue, as the Royal Marines Commando Helicopter Force consists of MK4 Seakings and Battlefield Lynx Helicopters which could have been used. Massive respect for the Marines that mounted the Apache in search of their missing mate, they do deserve the VC.
@navyaircraftengineer, very true, but only had those assets been within the Area of Operations at the time.
Jugroom fort was a fuck-up on RM Senior field leadership's part - by the time the OC had been relieved of command and the Apache pilots given clearance to go in and get L/Cpl Ford out, time was extremely critical (I recall hearing the brief lasted +/- a minute). The Apache's were the only aircraft on station remotely capable of going in (a Chinook arrived later with a MERT team).
If any of you get the chane i would reccommend a book Called 'Apache Dawn' by Damien Lewis. I really good book and explains this rescue mission.
Its nice to see that we have so many brave men and women over seas who are willing to do above and beyond the call of duty. i fully respect each and everyone of you. Past and Present
These guys are awesome, but the technique is not all that new. Special Forces soldiers had to make use of this kind of transportation during the early days of the war. There was also an incident where a US Apache crew rode in under fire to rescue a wounded soldier. The co-pilot jumped out grabbed the wounded soldier and put him in his seat. The co-pilot then strapped himself to the stub wing, fully exposing himself to fire as they exfiltrated.
I have a book called "Spoken from the front" and one of the guys on the Apaches was in the Royal Engineers so they weren't all Marines, Takes some balls to do what they did thats for sure.
Also the reason the Lynx was not used at the time was that the Lynx Mk7 and Mk9 had Rolls Royce Gem Engines and so the power from them was not any use in Hot and High conditions. This has now been rectified with the implementation of LHTEC engines to the Lynx Mk9 fleet (MK9A) with added firepower in the use of a .50 cal on the Port side.
And I doubt if the MH-6 Little bird has sufficient power for Hot and High conditions as well. Hence why the US Army has none in theatre as well.
I can confirm this as I know Keith very well and spoke to him just after he received his MC (Military Cross). I have known Keith since 1993 and served with him in Bosnia on 2 tours as Junior Soldiers. The reason the Pilots left the aircraft was a simple fact it is easier for the Pilot to Exit and Enter the aircraft whislt Burning and Turning.
@ MrAviatordude Ed Macy and WO Mark Rawlings are one and the same.
And your asumptions of Crew Placement are totally Arse about Face.
WildMan Five Zero Captain Tom Owen was the aircraft commander and so is actually in the Front Seat (Gunner), Staff Seargent Keith Arthur was the Pilot (Back Seat).
Staff Seargent Karl Bruce was the Aircraft Commander of Wildman Five One and so was in the Front Seat and WO Mark Rawlings (Ed Macy) was the Pilot (Back Seat).
@Oddb4ll2483 In Apache, Ed writes that he was front seat for that ride due to 'Carl' having more experience with night flights than he.
It is unusual in the book, typically (for the sorties covered in the book at least) Ed had back seat piloting roles for their CO. He even talks about how he almost wanted to reach for the controls to take over during a blind moment but had to restrain himself.
Regardless of what's right or wrong, you seem well informed, but that's what is written anyway.
lol, im guessing your the kind of person that thinks that, whats said in a book or otherwise is the truth, i take it you belive what happened with Bravo Two Zero actually happened exactly as it said. Belive what ya want mate. Stories are made up my the MOD all the time, to make things seem 'better' than they were, and the pilot would not have been able to write his story without strict guideliness from the MOD. and without there supervision.
I have just read 'Apache' written by one of the pilots involved in this.
One of the out riders, a nineteen year old royal marine had to just hold on without a strap on the way in and 2 others joined him on the way out with no straps. There wasn't any time given for a briefing they were just told to hold onto this and lets go. Truly courageous!
With all the g forces involved it was miracle he wasn't dragged off!
distantkilljoy......reference ur comment, 'the pilot that got out and grabbed the marine', shut up. Get a grip, no pilots got out, 4 marines did the carrying of the dead marine, try finding the full version, not the edited for public view one.
@sting101aa Unless the pilot was making it all up in his book one pilot from each of the apaches that landed did get out. One was actually chased by the Taliban inside the compound.
These Were The Two Apaches,Call Sign WILDMAN.The Back Seater Of The First One,WILDMAN FIVE ZERO,Was Captain Tom Owen.The Front Seater Was Staff Sergeant Keith Arthur.The Second One,WILDMAN FIVE ONE's Back Seater Was Staff Sergeant Karl Bruce.The Front Seater Was WO Mark Rawlings,The Soldiers Partcicpating Were Dave Rigg,Gary Robinson,Chris Fraser-Perry And Colin Hearn.
What I Just Gave You Were All Their Names Of The Participating Soldiers And Ed Macy Was Not Inside.So Dont Tell Us That.
Mr Keirfree,I Would Like To Know Where You Got Your Info From.I Know Ed Macy Is Rumoured To Be One Of Those Rescuers.I Have Every Information From Damien Lewis's APACHE DAWN.Do Try To Understand My Point Of View. If Ed Macy's APACHE Says That,The Real People Who Participated,Well,Will Have To Get Research...
@MrAviatordude there is factual data applicable to this, incident, as from the summer of 2010 that is not been clouded by MoD vetting, including the convo s between ,3 Cdo Bde and the Army Hq that sanctioned this rescue and does not include the pilots views.
@MrAviatordude You got your Info Wrong on, the rescue there was only 1 Soldier on the Apache sides the other were Marines the Soldier was a Cpt in the Royal Engineers attached to 3 Cdo Bde who incidentally became the O/C of this rescue
Ed Macy not his real name flew Not as Pilot but in the front seat as Gunner.
Macy aka Ferguson was at the Time a W O in the AAC
@busboy3232 Yup, the Pilots nearly d got court martiald but, there was second thoughts,, and the Pilot an Army Air Corps warrant officer was decorated
Read 'Apache' by Dan Mills. He's an Apache pilot and this unreal story is part of his book. . . he was the lead pilot. Things didnt go according to plan when they landed. Brilliant and Superhuman. READ IT
i have just finished reading apache and hellfire. really good books. its interesting to hear what the BBC had to say about the rescue after reading what happened to the aircrew after they returned from the rescue. it was good to see the video after reading the book. its too bad we dont have more people around that arent afraid to get in and get the job done! Good Drills, well done those men.
outstanding bravery, this is why they are the best in the world, the brotherhood and love between them is a clear message that no one ever gets left behind. absolute legends, RIP royal.
Buy the Book: Apache. The Author is Ed Macy, The Man flying the heli that landed in the perimeter wall, It is the most compelling account of the life as an apache pilot but it gives you a very defined image of the rescue so much so that I personally have read the book over 100 times ;-)
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bullshit, you attacked a civilian home the illiterate peasants retaliated against your aggression and highly trained thugs killed one injured 4 the next day those civilian became refugees so you went to an empty home. what heroism??? Why were you not prepared for casualties? Why you did not have an evacuation plan and contingency plan? You got it up the ass and say it was good!! Officers should be fired.
well the Lynx has problems flying during the Afghan summer, and many of the Lynxes get m240s on the side. Though teh TOW equipped version isn't in service anymore, and I've yet to see the lynx with helfires. At least the Merlin is going out now, proven in Iraq to be a safer and more stable option.
yeah, i've seen a couple of variants with the pintle-mounted M2, too.
I think we should have Vietnam-style Air Cav' Lynx, equipped with rockets (albeit without the extra ammo in the passenger bay) for such operations. Even the bloody Russians had the Mi-24, and the rocket equipped Mi-8!
well, if I had to choose between upgrading the lynx fleet and getting new apaches, I'd definately choose new apaches. But I bet it would be better bang for buck if we did as you say.
I meant in the 'flying IFV' role, obviously the apache has no troop carrying capacity and the lynx is only armed with machine guns. More apaches would be a hell of a bonus but i'd say ditching the refurb of the pumas and buying blackhawks would be more help right now
Don't forget Ed himself, Charlotte and Tony covering them as they landed, and the four strapped to the Apache(s)Chris Fraser-Perry, Dave Rigg, Colin Hearn and Gary Robinson.
Just going inot combat takes ball's . But this goes far past above and beyond the call of duty . Those pilots and the Marines that raod shot gun should be given the highest awards the British can give !
they put their own lives aside and thought of other's that needed help , they did it becouse it had to be done . that alone should be enough for them to get it .
exactly right. Similar to when they give a RAF Heli pilot a medal for doing a daring/brave thing...The whole lot go in together so why doesn't the award apply to everyone. All deserved of medals. I wouldn't really like th sit on the side of an apache and not be held on by anything other than my arm through the hand hold bar.
they had requested a chinnok to with a team to go in and look foir him but it was to hot for a chinook to land. if ur intrested read apache by edd macy he was one of the poilots and its goot a reald good first hand acout of the operation
dude said UK doesn't have light helos? I thought the brits had the Lynx helo? I thought that helo was one baddest maneuverable and fastest helos of it's kind in the world.. or is. i'm surprised that wasn't used. anyways... what a perfect example of bravery and brotherhood. that's truly amazing and humbling. the brits are the best!
@orcaluv we were going to get Blackhawks and beef the up with FFARs and Hellfiresbut we got the Apaches instead which caused a ballache in the media but when the paras got into a tricky situation then the apaches cam to the rescue, that changed the face of mordern warefare... the paras didn't want to leave base without an apache covering them.
Yes due to Economic difficulties all the other helos have been downed! But UK is making arrangements to purchase cheap Chinese humming bird helos ( a copy of the US littlebird) and will be soon seen in service in UK.
all in all....a great read and i reccommend highly buying Ed Macy:Apache for more detailed recall of the event...and also other successful missons and raid during thier tour of helmand. end.
ED MACY!!!
DrummerDouglaz 3 weeks ago
My heart and complete respect for these individuals. The purest form of bravery a person is capable of.
shysterlicious 3 weeks ago
very courageous men indeed. There is great camaraderie among with each other,. You don't see this in civilain life. I hope they make a film on this.
Deena777 1 month ago
Brave men indeed.
frogstamper 1 month ago
these men is what you call heroes they they gathered round for a minute and said there's not enough room and then two soliders hoped on the side and said lets get our fallen comrade
superjosh1999 1 month ago
Good example of the machine gun moving in the direction the gunner turns his head [1:45]
lbsmithtube 1 month ago
Isn't that lovely, I wish well for the family :)
BaconJaws 1 month ago
Ordinary men doing extraordinary things. The British Army, the best army in the world.
africansinclair 2 months ago
@africansinclair Royal Marines is not Army.
oktal3700 1 month ago
Why is that a good idea? How much use is he going to be anyway?
92benno92 3 months ago
@92benno92 yes it was, juding by your comment i suspect that you dont know much about brotherhood and loyalty, you never leave a man behind NEVER!
GAMINGgrungey 2 months ago
@GAMINGgrungey
Not the fallen comrade you limp thinker, the guy on the side of the helicopter. Risking another life for two eyes when there's state of the art cameras on the chopper's nose? Stupid.
92benno92 2 months ago
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@92benno92 Dont call me stupid you fucking cock cheese, next time make your comment more clear.
GAMINGgrungey 2 months ago
@92benno92 What do the cameras have to do with him sitting on the side? They went in, landed and he jumped off, it wasn't a recce, it was a rescue mission.
airsoftlover23 2 months ago
they don't say 'Semper Fi', they're motto is 'per mare per tarram' (By land, by sea)
but i don't know for sure yet, i'll have to wait till i join :D.
GREATBRITISHGAMER 3 months ago
RMC show you how its done
silentminority90 3 months ago
i read a book about the raid and this is what our troops do but not a word is said
you did all you could
thankyou for bring this lad home
sosfreedome1 4 months ago
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Respond to this video... Worship is the problem. Even if hanging onto the side of a helicopter were an extraordinary feat (which it isn't) these people would not deserve *worship*. But so long as you give it to them, freely and uncritically, they will be abused as an instrument of power.
in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is a c..t
aimpoint2003 4 months ago
This is what delta force does on an average basis. Kinda dangerous but saves a lot of time. Good job british.
TheDevenrocks 4 months ago
Buy Mi-28 and you don't need to hang on the outside.
Talshet 4 months ago 2
so we can afford apaches but we cant afford small transport choppers?
wank0r 6 months ago
@wank0r We have Lynx helicopters, however I don't believe they are deployed for this role in Afghanistan.
BiATom411 6 months ago
@wank0r its just an added capability of the Apache, of course the British armed forces have transport choppers, every military does, however there isn't always time or the ability to use them in emergency/combat situations.
Suhcamara 3 months ago
it was 4 helicopters not 3
Dragns80 7 months ago
Apaches do not have 'wings' they have pylons or 'hard mount points.' (The terms vary with the country and/or service)
The closest thing to wings on a helicopter are called 'rotors' and as for strapping anyone to them in flight.....hopefully you can figure out the "Hell NO" in that idea?
DrMotorDude 8 months ago
@DrMotorDude its hell no for someone not in combat but when your friends are under fire and injured you dont have time to piss around waiting for a Lynx or Black Hawk You need to think on your feet and improvise with what you have at your disposal. unlike you they dont have the LUXURY of debating wether an Apache has wings or not .
patriot91101rip 7 months ago
RM Commandos
the lords of the sky
restockfoul 9 months ago
They call that a Spur ride.
vxzvxc 10 months ago
Those Commandos clearly do not give two fucks. That is the definition of awesome.
phocjame 10 months ago
2 people are members of the taliban....
NRAdude 11 months ago
I dont respect these men.
I worship them.
ProbablyCoolerThanU 11 months ago 32
@ProbablyCoolerThanU That's precisely the problem.
VitaminD108 10 months ago
@VitaminD108 Explain the "problem".
ProbablyCoolerThanU 10 months ago
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@ProbablyCoolerThanU Worship is the problem. Even if hanging onto the side of a helicopter were an extraordinary feat (which it isn't) these people would not deserve *worship*. But so long as you give it to them, freely and uncritically, they will be abused as an instrument of power.
VitaminD108 10 months ago
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@VitaminD108 So tell us all about the last time you hung onto the outside of an airborne chopper please ?
Tonymount 3 months ago
That's actually a US approved rescue practice, strap a guy to the wings.
AFSOCbum 11 months ago 2
@AFSOCbum it might be but its never been done in combat we where the first to do it and some of the marines werent strapped on, i read the book by the pilot ed macy the brit apache pilot broke loads of records that day, u should read the book i recommend it,
272bob 10 months ago
@272bob What book? I'm always down for new books. I think US Apache pilots did it during Operation Anaconda, the book is Not A Good Day To Die.
AFSOCbum 10 months ago
@AFSOCbum its called apache its by ed macy he was the pilot, really good read mate
272bob 10 months ago 2
@272bob I'll check it out man.
AFSOCbum 10 months ago
We will never loose when we have men with balls that like who think of others before themselves, Per Mare Per Terram "By Sea By Land"!
TankNutDave 11 months ago
proud to say one of the marines involved is a good friend. True heroes. muc respect for these guys. Mr perry you are a legend.
ruelly 11 months ago
well um....this put the parachute regiment in their place :)
Watchinthavideos 1 year ago
i thought you Brits had the Lynx helo?
jhnb12876 1 year ago
@jhnb12876 nooo we got rid of those ages ago for our main attack heli, we use the AgustaWestland Apache now, thinks it pretty much the same as the AH-64 apache with a change of engines and we have folding blades for use at see on the aircraft carriers
lewisx20x20x20 1 year ago
@lewisx20x20x20 We still use the Lynx mate.....
SgtShnackendale 1 year ago
@lewisx20x20x20 The Apache and Lynx are completely different.
SgtShnackendale 1 year ago
@SgtShnackendale i know its different. what do we use the lynx for? wasnt it used for our attack heli before the apache?
lewisx20x20x20 1 year ago
@lewisx20x20x20 The Lynx is a medium transport helicopter, equivalent to that of a US Blackhawk (although smaller), the only standard armament on it is either a 7.62mm GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun), or an upgraded version of the M2 Browning (.50 cal) Machine gun mounted for use by a door gunner.
The Apache is an attack helicopter, the Lynx is a transport helicopter.
Wikapedia up "Lynx helicopter" then "Apache helicopter", it'll tell you what which is used for and such. :)
SgtShnackendale 1 year ago
@SgtShnackendale the lynx isn't designated transport, it serves multiple roles, one being anti-sub and supply in the RN
smith3451 1 year ago
@smith3451 I know, it's much like the Huey helicopter, it had multiple roles but as a base it was a transport helicopter, or maybe more apropriately a utility helicopter.
SgtShnackendale 1 year ago
@jhnb12876 That still isn't a light helicopter, unlike the US "Littlebird" helicopters.
Lynx's could have been used, but unlike the apache they aren't as well armed or armored.
SgtShnackendale 1 year ago
@SgtShnackendale my only point is it could have carried these people.
jhnb12876 1 year ago
@jhnb12876 They might not have neccesarily been to hand, or could've been deployed elsewhere. If they could've used them they would of.
IbanezJoey 1 year ago
@IbanezJoey yes i am sure. I was thinking the whole time i was watching this why did they not call the US for help. i am sure we would have helped if we could and i know we hwve more equipment there. Or the French, they do combat patrols also.
jhnb12876 1 year ago
@jhnb12876 Whether there were Lynx helicopters on hand or not, they would not have stood up to the beating that the Apache's took during the rescue, neither could they hit hard the targets before dropping the men. With the Taliban firepower in the area described by the men, a Lynx would have most likely been downed in the rescue.
SgtShnackendale 1 year ago
@jhnb12876 The real truth is,,,,,, all tho the early lynx, was fast and agile, it suffered in very hot Climes, as such its role in places like Afghaniistan was severely curtailed, so removed from service,,
Yea the Brits suffered from bad management on helicopter resources
keirfree 11 months ago
This operation is in the book 3 Commando Brigade
TheBraderz67 1 year ago
@TheARMAProductions If they did it again then they proberbly would have got the VC
Titanlord10000 1 year ago
Those two marines and the pilot are LADS!!!
Titanlord10000 1 year ago
@TheARMAProductions I agree. This is definitely worthy of a citation or medal of some kind but..VC? ummm.. no
Then what would you give the next guys who do something 10x braver and bigger impact than this? kind of demotes the value of the highest medal
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
They should all get VCs, yes, but the crosses are made out of melted russian cannons captured during the Crimean war, so they're in very limited supply unfortunately :/
matt0chew 1 year ago
The reporter said at the end that the British lack light transport aircraft that could have been used in this operation, untrue, as the Royal Marines Commando Helicopter Force consists of MK4 Seakings and Battlefield Lynx Helicopters which could have been used. Massive respect for the Marines that mounted the Apache in search of their missing mate, they do deserve the VC.
navyaircraftengineer 1 year ago
@navyaircraftengineer, very true, but only had those assets been within the Area of Operations at the time.
Jugroom fort was a fuck-up on RM Senior field leadership's part - by the time the OC had been relieved of command and the Apache pilots given clearance to go in and get L/Cpl Ford out, time was extremely critical (I recall hearing the brief lasted +/- a minute). The Apache's were the only aircraft on station remotely capable of going in (a Chinook arrived later with a MERT team).
P4rtis4n 1 year ago
This is so fucking cool. But in a seriousness I agree with SpittingLizard and they should have got VCs.
Weegie247 1 year ago
If any of you get the chane i would reccommend a book Called 'Apache Dawn' by Damien Lewis. I really good book and explains this rescue mission.
Its nice to see that we have so many brave men and women over seas who are willing to do above and beyond the call of duty. i fully respect each and everyone of you. Past and Present
bullseatpizza 1 year ago
@bullseatpizza An even better one is "Apache" from Ed Macy (the pilot that landed and got out to rescue the royal marine.)
distantkilljoy 1 year ago
All haters think about it would u have the balls to do it to save ur mate ?
6thFormNerd 1 year ago
absolutely bravery of the highest order
rickydicky100 1 year ago
These guys are awesome, but the technique is not all that new. Special Forces soldiers had to make use of this kind of transportation during the early days of the war. There was also an incident where a US Apache crew rode in under fire to rescue a wounded soldier. The co-pilot jumped out grabbed the wounded soldier and put him in his seat. The co-pilot then strapped himself to the stub wing, fully exposing himself to fire as they exfiltrated.
ajr666 1 year ago
I have a book called "Spoken from the front" and one of the guys on the Apaches was in the Royal Engineers so they weren't all Marines, Takes some balls to do what they did thats for sure.
12345678910925 1 year ago
Fucking ace.
matty5611 1 year ago
Thats the true british courage for you! NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND! Support our armed forces, they deserve it!
Danil0v1 1 year ago
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Danil0v1 1 year ago
Also the reason the Lynx was not used at the time was that the Lynx Mk7 and Mk9 had Rolls Royce Gem Engines and so the power from them was not any use in Hot and High conditions. This has now been rectified with the implementation of LHTEC engines to the Lynx Mk9 fleet (MK9A) with added firepower in the use of a .50 cal on the Port side.
And I doubt if the MH-6 Little bird has sufficient power for Hot and High conditions as well. Hence why the US Army has none in theatre as well.
Oddb4ll2483 1 year ago
@Oddb4ll2483 Actually, the MH-6 is used in Afghanistan from time to time. In fact, one crashed back in Novrmber of 2001, wounding 4.
agamemnonb5 1 year ago
I can confirm this as I know Keith very well and spoke to him just after he received his MC (Military Cross). I have known Keith since 1993 and served with him in Bosnia on 2 tours as Junior Soldiers. The reason the Pilots left the aircraft was a simple fact it is easier for the Pilot to Exit and Enter the aircraft whislt Burning and Turning.
Oddb4ll2483 1 year ago
@ MrAviatordude Ed Macy and WO Mark Rawlings are one and the same.
And your asumptions of Crew Placement are totally Arse about Face.
WildMan Five Zero Captain Tom Owen was the aircraft commander and so is actually in the Front Seat (Gunner), Staff Seargent Keith Arthur was the Pilot (Back Seat).
Staff Seargent Karl Bruce was the Aircraft Commander of Wildman Five One and so was in the Front Seat and WO Mark Rawlings (Ed Macy) was the Pilot (Back Seat).
Oddb4ll2483 1 year ago
@Oddb4ll2483 In Apache, Ed writes that he was front seat for that ride due to 'Carl' having more experience with night flights than he.
It is unusual in the book, typically (for the sorties covered in the book at least) Ed had back seat piloting roles for their CO. He even talks about how he almost wanted to reach for the controls to take over during a blind moment but had to restrain himself.
Regardless of what's right or wrong, you seem well informed, but that's what is written anyway.
operationgamma 1 year ago
Brits need some MH-6 helicopters, they are great little helos for this kind of stuff.
NoOdL3z18 1 year ago
thats british defence cuts for you.
willobi 1 year ago
this is why britain is great, we have such incredible soldiers.
just4laughs76 1 year ago
lol, im guessing your the kind of person that thinks that, whats said in a book or otherwise is the truth, i take it you belive what happened with Bravo Two Zero actually happened exactly as it said. Belive what ya want mate. Stories are made up my the MOD all the time, to make things seem 'better' than they were, and the pilot would not have been able to write his story without strict guideliness from the MOD. and without there supervision.
sting101aa 1 year ago
I have just read 'Apache' written by one of the pilots involved in this.
One of the out riders, a nineteen year old royal marine had to just hold on without a strap on the way in and 2 others joined him on the way out with no straps. There wasn't any time given for a briefing they were just told to hold onto this and lets go. Truly courageous!
With all the g forces involved it was miracle he wasn't dragged off!
DarkPigeon21 1 year ago
distantkilljoy......reference ur comment, 'the pilot that got out and grabbed the marine', shut up. Get a grip, no pilots got out, 4 marines did the carrying of the dead marine, try finding the full version, not the edited for public view one.
sting101aa 1 year ago
@sting101aa Unless the pilot was making it all up in his book one pilot from each of the apaches that landed did get out. One was actually chased by the Taliban inside the compound.
You should read the book. It's an amazing story!!
DarkPigeon21 1 year ago
@sting101aa Your full of shit ! in fact,of the 4 that flew on the apaches, 1 was a R E
Officer, and Ed Macy got out he was a WO 1 Army technically he was not the Pilot, as he sat in the front seat, and acted as observer/gunner
keirfree 1 year ago
These Were The Two Apaches,Call Sign WILDMAN.The Back Seater Of The First One,WILDMAN FIVE ZERO,Was Captain Tom Owen.The Front Seater Was Staff Sergeant Keith Arthur.The Second One,WILDMAN FIVE ONE's Back Seater Was Staff Sergeant Karl Bruce.The Front Seater Was WO Mark Rawlings,The Soldiers Partcicpating Were Dave Rigg,Gary Robinson,Chris Fraser-Perry And Colin Hearn.
What I Just Gave You Were All Their Names Of The Participating Soldiers And Ed Macy Was Not Inside.So Dont Tell Us That.
MrAviatordude 1 year ago
Mr Keirfree,I Would Like To Know Where You Got Your Info From.I Know Ed Macy Is Rumoured To Be One Of Those Rescuers.I Have Every Information From Damien Lewis's APACHE DAWN.Do Try To Understand My Point Of View. If Ed Macy's APACHE Says That,The Real People Who Participated,Well,Will Have To Get Research...
MrAviatordude 1 year ago
@MrAviatordude there is factual data applicable to this, incident, as from the summer of 2010 that is not been clouded by MoD vetting, including the convo s between ,3 Cdo Bde and the Army Hq that sanctioned this rescue and does not include the pilots views.
keirfree 1 year ago
WELL DONE LADS !
sm5263 1 year ago
that is truly heroic
Hardmetal1993 1 year ago
wouldnt they get in trouble for doin this?
busboy3232 1 year ago
@busboy3232 They got permission from high command. If they went out without permission then ye they would of.
chris4236 1 year ago
@chris4236 They went without permission (i think) because high command sent chinooks to land and vikings to go to the body.
Read the book Apache by Ed macy (the pilot that got out and grabbed the marine.)
distantkilljoy 1 year ago
Bullshit!Read APACHE DAWN.All Four Pilots Jumped Out.1 Went Out With The Solidiers,The Other Three Helped With The Karabiner
MrAviatordude 1 year ago
@MrAviatordude You got your Info Wrong on, the rescue there was only 1 Soldier on the Apache sides the other were Marines the Soldier was a Cpt in the Royal Engineers attached to 3 Cdo Bde who incidentally became the O/C of this rescue
Ed Macy not his real name flew Not as Pilot but in the front seat as Gunner.
Macy aka Ferguson was at the Time a W O in the AAC
keirfree 1 year ago
@busboy3232 Yup, the Pilots nearly d got court martiald but, there was second thoughts,, and the Pilot an Army Air Corps warrant officer was decorated
keirfree 1 year ago
this makes you proud to be British
TheAwole 1 year ago
He's right. True Heroe's these guys are.. I hope those three apache's kicked some tali ass~! and get their pay back
jurstie 1 year ago
manly tears
loosekarrott 1 year ago
Read 'Apache' by Dan Mills. He's an Apache pilot and this unreal story is part of his book. . . he was the lead pilot. Things didnt go according to plan when they landed. Brilliant and Superhuman. READ IT
jasey1971 1 year ago
@jasey1971 Its apache by Ed Macy not Dan Mills, Dan made the book "Sniper One".
distantkilljoy 1 year ago
@distantkilljoy cheers mate ive read that many that i get mixed up
jasey1971 1 year ago
@jasey1971 Yeah same
distantkilljoy 1 year ago
@distantkilljoy anyone read ed's 2nd book hellfire??
Anima1690 1 year ago
the four guys that held on to the apaches got nothing for doing this. crazy!
seanmartin86 1 year ago
feelings of sorrow and respect !
macky111222 1 year ago
now thats bad ass
sarsfieldusmc 2 years ago 2
Heroes.
misfit1978 2 years ago 2
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Royal Marines 99.9% need not apply
UnleashedKane 2 years ago
Royal Marines 99.9% need not apply.
UnleashedKane 2 years ago 10
and what the news didnt tell you is that they where is such a hurry that one man didnt strape himself and just had to hang on
Elitepoosniff 2 years ago 3
i have just finished reading apache and hellfire. really good books. its interesting to hear what the BBC had to say about the rescue after reading what happened to the aircrew after they returned from the rescue. it was good to see the video after reading the book. its too bad we dont have more people around that arent afraid to get in and get the job done! Good Drills, well done those men.
Phid79 2 years ago
No One Gets Left Behind
SemperFi
letseewhathappens101 2 years ago 15
@letseewhathappens101 Wrong Marines :S Per Mare, Per Terram (By land, by sea) is the Royal Marines' motto. I think they need to add "per aero"
AllYpAllY2k9 10 months ago
@letseewhathappens101
Semper Fi is the motto for the US marine corps. Not our British Royal Marines.
Joshcoleiscool 10 months ago 22
@Joshcoleiscool Do I care? still means the same thing.
letseewhathappens101 10 months ago
@letseewhathappens101
I didn't ask if you cared or not. I'm just correcting you.
Joshcoleiscool 10 months ago
@Joshcoleiscool Semper Fidelis means Always Faithful...I think that Royal Marines are also worthy of that adjective
anteracmacash 2 months ago
Words of respect!
Tome4kkkk 2 years ago 2
outstanding bravery, this is why they are the best in the world, the brotherhood and love between them is a clear message that no one ever gets left behind. absolute legends, RIP royal.
JohnnyLegend92 2 years ago 18
read the book "Apache Dawn" by damien lewis it has the full story as the prologue
fndjfgsdk 2 years ago
or the book 'apache' by ed macy, who flew gunner on this mission
stjimmy95 2 years ago
apache dawn is about squadron 662 who flew after these people
R.I.P L/C matthew ford
fndjfgsdk 2 years ago
thats doesnt explain it that well, its best to buy ed macy apache that book is based around that flight
xASxDragoon 2 years ago
It puts the term. WE BAND OF BROTHERS into perspective thats 4 sure.A nd tereek wotsit the nob gobbler can effoff
5872steve 2 years ago
Buy the Book: Apache. The Author is Ed Macy, The Man flying the heli that landed in the perimeter wall, It is the most compelling account of the life as an apache pilot but it gives you a very defined image of the rescue so much so that I personally have read the book over 100 times ;-)
learningthehardway12 2 years ago
+1, that book was just fantastic. Its more fantastic than fiction. Best wishes to all of the coalition servicemen and women out there atm.
TrekkyRudd 2 years ago
Well he wasn't flying, Carl was, Ed was in the Front Seat, the gunner, the cannon underneath moves when he moves his head, the bastard thinks quick
sethburgess1234 2 years ago
Were you involved?
Roar0804 2 years ago
No but theres about 90 pages about it in Ed Macy Apache
sethburgess1234 2 years ago
What's up, they don't have Blackhawks?
rawdawg15 2 years ago
Na we dont use them also i think it was on the spot thing. fuck knows
ENDOFANAGEMUSIC 2 years ago
because a chap named Quentin Davies thinks that 30yo Puma's with a few extra bits clipped on, are better.... I hope he drops dead!
cra83 2 years ago
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bullshit, you attacked a civilian home the illiterate peasants retaliated against your aggression and highly trained thugs killed one injured 4 the next day those civilian became refugees so you went to an empty home. what heroism??? Why were you not prepared for casualties? Why you did not have an evacuation plan and contingency plan? You got it up the ass and say it was good!! Officers should be fired.
tareekhnawees 2 years ago
Pride of the armed forces!
Pity we didn't have an armed lynx to carry them in though, they deserve the best tools for the job but, unfortunately, don't get them....
cra83 2 years ago
well the Lynx has problems flying during the Afghan summer, and many of the Lynxes get m240s on the side. Though teh TOW equipped version isn't in service anymore, and I've yet to see the lynx with helfires. At least the Merlin is going out now, proven in Iraq to be a safer and more stable option.
TrekkyRudd 2 years ago
yeah, i've seen a couple of variants with the pintle-mounted M2, too.
I think we should have Vietnam-style Air Cav' Lynx, equipped with rockets (albeit without the extra ammo in the passenger bay) for such operations. Even the bloody Russians had the Mi-24, and the rocket equipped Mi-8!
cra83 2 years ago
well, if I had to choose between upgrading the lynx fleet and getting new apaches, I'd definately choose new apaches. But I bet it would be better bang for buck if we did as you say.
TrekkyRudd 2 years ago
I meant in the 'flying IFV' role, obviously the apache has no troop carrying capacity and the lynx is only armed with machine guns. More apaches would be a hell of a bonus but i'd say ditching the refurb of the pumas and buying blackhawks would be more help right now
cra83 2 years ago
now thats REAL MARINE.....
unitD7 2 years ago 14
This makes me proud to be British
makrobins 2 years ago 9
talking about having some nuts holy shit. ii would do it also to bring back a fallen freind.
blueskull24 2 years ago 10
just finished apache today.can't believe this is the footage from the rescue. amazing. every one of them a hero,marines and pilots.
R.I.P Mathew Ford
smogga09 2 years ago 5
I bought that book a couple of days ago, can't put it down :)
Chriskibob182 2 years ago
whoa is this the part in Ed Macys book Apache?
it was him, "trigger", "geordie" and "billy" that all did it i think, even though the names might not be true.
CSS171717 2 years ago
Don't forget Ed himself, Charlotte and Tony covering them as they landed, and the four strapped to the Apache(s)Chris Fraser-Perry, Dave Rigg, Colin Hearn and Gary Robinson.
NosBlaster 2 years ago
man i wanna join the marines. 3,000 people competing for around 30 places though....not gonna be easy
cb1179 2 years ago 2
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keirfree 2 years ago
Marines. Overcome, Adapt, Improvise. Nuff said.
bravo6four 2 years ago 3
Just going inot combat takes ball's . But this goes far past above and beyond the call of duty . Those pilots and the Marines that raod shot gun should be given the highest awards the British can give !
Herbymac0811 2 years ago 8
They sould have all got VCs (Victoria Crosses)
SpittingLizard 2 years ago 58
DAMN RIGHT !
they put their own lives aside and thought of other's that needed help , they did it becouse it had to be done . that alone should be enough for them to get it .
Herbymac0811 2 years ago 10
@SpittingLizard I know that the pilots did and im pretty sure that the marines also got them too.
MrBreck2424 1 year ago
Just for the record books
The pilots were awarded the Flying Cross,and a REME RSM who was also there got the George cross.
Guess what the Marines got...Yup the FA medal not even a MID.
I guess times do not change.
old45marine 2 years ago
exactly right. Similar to when they give a RAF Heli pilot a medal for doing a daring/brave thing...The whole lot go in together so why doesn't the award apply to everyone. All deserved of medals. I wouldn't really like th sit on the side of an apache and not be held on by anything other than my arm through the hand hold bar.
duane2dah 2 years ago 3
It says at the end about lack in light helicopters. Why not use the Lynx that is lightish, fast and can carry passengers?
SheepJumpFish 2 years ago
there probably just wasn't any near by.. you know how the media is
Sneak693 2 years ago
they wanted to do they job asap and a lynx would have bin another half an hour away which they dint have.
recruitment46 2 years ago 2
another testimont as to just how fucking awesome british troops really are!
channell95 3 years ago 10
they had requested a chinnok to with a team to go in and look foir him but it was to hot for a chinook to land. if ur intrested read apache by edd macy he was one of the poilots and its goot a reald good first hand acout of the operation
0STREET0 3 years ago 5
dude said UK doesn't have light helos? I thought the brits had the Lynx helo? I thought that helo was one baddest maneuverable and fastest helos of it's kind in the world.. or is. i'm surprised that wasn't used. anyways... what a perfect example of bravery and brotherhood. that's truly amazing and humbling. the brits are the best!
orcaluv 3 years ago 44
@orcaluv lynx helicopters can't work in afghanistan probably too hot/ harsh climate
there was a lot in the news about helicopter shortages recently
doesn't matter though. they were going to get that body back no matter what.
mw18g 1 year ago
@orcaluv we were going to get Blackhawks and beef the up with FFARs and Hellfiresbut we got the Apaches instead which caused a ballache in the media but when the paras got into a tricky situation then the apaches cam to the rescue, that changed the face of mordern warefare... the paras didn't want to leave base without an apache covering them.
TheEskimoAssasin 1 year ago
@orcaluv Lynx isn't ready for Afghanistan there is a new prototype being released next year and hopefully will be in Afghanistan by 2011.
chris4236 1 year ago
@orcaluv
Yes due to Economic difficulties all the other helos have been downed! But UK is making arrangements to purchase cheap Chinese humming bird helos ( a copy of the US littlebird) and will be soon seen in service in UK.
vnck25 1 year ago
@orcaluv its only recently been modified so it can operate in afghan. WAY to late.
surfinbird84 1 year ago
all in all....a great read and i reccommend highly buying Ed Macy:Apache for more detailed recall of the event...and also other successful missons and raid during thier tour of helmand. end.
NIGELANDREWBLACK 3 years ago 5