Y-Origins Debunked (Part 2a) - Accident or Intellegent Design?

[eloheem33]

why do they care so much about disproving evolution I believe in god and evolution and quantum physics if god created the universe it would take a long time for us to comprehend how he structured the nature of reality to operate and nobody knows everything so therefore we look at evidence and determine things by testing and measuring them like normal people

[mehja1]

Any scientist knows that cannot prove a negative - therefore scientist would never try to prove the non-existence of a God.

But maybe a challenge for non-shintoist: Prove that the Tenno is not a God!

There are tons of documents in japanese history on his godliness and millions of people believe/d it. So - disprove that.

[danephillips]

Courts ruled in 1961 secular humanism is a religon

[JRChadwick]

@danephillips Source?

[that1mandudeguy91]

@JRChadwick He is referring to Torcaso v. Watkins. But it is actually a big fail on his part, seeing as how since it was stated in what is called "Obiter Dictum," Such statements are personal opinions of the judge they have NO legal force. Ignoring this uncomfortable fact, allows the religious right to argue that any hint of Secular Humanism in schools is a violation of separation of church and state - an ironic argument, since they would be happy to dispense with that separation themselves eh?

[danephillips]

Dictionary def of religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe ....

[anubis2814]

@danephillips Dictionary # com (a wiki style site) does, Merriam-Webster and Oxford English (the last word on terminology for American and British english) do not say that at all.  Now if you want to define religion as that before the discussion then we are going to have to come up with a new definition for what Webster calls religion. This is a semantics argument that gets no where and has nothing to do with logic.

[wolfwing1]

Heh I have my own weird unique idea about matter/dark matter and such...:> Though while it explains...the nature of gravity/matter/dark matter....it doesn't explain why :>

[Cyrathil]

Dark matter is beyond scientific investigation...

Yet we were able to investigate it enough to figure out it was there!

[leojboby]

personally i believe dawkins is a weak atheist debater... hitchens on the other hand...

[soulinite]

"fuck the creationists" - MC Hawking

[Jeredin13]

Hear hear JR.

[anubis2814]

I doubt the majority of Christians even know what a scientific Journal is and how it is different from any other book. As a Christian I sure didn't. I thought I could use high school biology and chemistry to debunk evil science.

/watch?v=fHS6MhrgOHE

I also used arguments I just made up without using any sources or research at all.

/watch?v=-053KKUhHuU

Creationists don't understand that science only tells them the basics, because they don't have the time to teach everyone all the details

[JRChadwick]

Thanks for the video response. Sorry I have not had a chance to check it out.

[danephillips]

@anubis2814 This is example of the complete lack of logical thinking by those like you. Dictionary def for religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe .... Hmmm Science fits that .

[anubis2814]

@danephillips Dictionary # com (a wiki style site) does, Merriam-Webster and Oxford English (the last word on terminology for American and British english) do not say that at all. Now if you want to define religion as that before the discussion then we are going to have to come up with a new definition for what Webster calls religion. This is a semantics argument that gets no where and has nothing to do with logic.

[danephillips]

@anubis2814 If you take science ahead of the bible you are not a christian.Jesus said HE came to do what the first Adam could not .Evolutionary science says there was No Adam ...So this make Jesus a Liar ... Jesus is God and He does not Lie ... Intelligent design uses science because true science fit perfectly with the bible .

[anubis2814]

@danephillips Is it possible that the people who wrote the bible lied or were confused? Whats more improbable? God might not be a liar or imperfect but people sure are. Why deists and liberal Christians exist. I like how you can define your own "true science" without using evidence. The very definition of science.

This comment was divinely inspired by god so it must be 100% correct and you cannot doubt any part of it.

[danephillips]

@anubis2814 Well the.God who created all things has the same power to assure his word is made perfect.You also fail in what you say is a christian anyone can call themself christian but fail the true belief that defines ones as a christian .The bible evidence is clear but you do not want to accept evidence like foretelling of Jesus birth death.The history in scripture total 100% correct too .You embrace evolution because you hate the idea of being accountable to God ..

[anubis2814]

@danephillips Wow that is the lamest argument I've ever heard. I have a whole channel dedicated to why I don't believe in god actually and its no where nearly as simplistic as you are trying to make it out to be. Archaeology does not back up scriptural history as I discuss in my latest video. Sadly you have been lied to by people with a religious agenda and confirmation bias.

[danephillips]

@anubis2814 LOLOLOL man are you uneducated are what ... Ever time Archaeology say the bible was wrong on history a few years go by and the bible is once again proven right.Dr. Clifford Wilson in his book, The ABC of Biblical Archaeology .Understand the Archaeology said it was fiction in bible talking about the The Hittite people now they know once again bible truth.People like anubis2814 hate the very idea of God because your pride in yourself is great .

[anubis2814]

@danephillips Nope I have an education in Microbiology, and my gf is an archeologist. You think that god made the world for you, I know I'm just a tiny speck in a giant universe uncared for except by the people around me. /watch?v=UoV9_P3oiJk I was a very strong young earth creationist but the more I studied the more problems I ran into. There was just no evidence. You also show no understanding of what evolutionary theory actually says and why it has been proven over an over again.

[danephillips]

@anubis2814 uncared well clearly you never embrace the one who cares for you.God who became flesh and took on your judgement and my judgement on himself.Since God is a righteous Judge one must judge crimes of sin.Jesus offers now a pardon .... But seem you anub2814 really never embraced this otherwise you would not now reject it . You remind me of the verse the simple things confounds the wise ...

[danephillips]

@anubis2814 Also as I said before your pride make you boast in yourself and the pride you have refuse to allow for God being greater and in control of your judgement .

[anubis2814]

@danephillips I love how you feel you can judge my reasons for what I believe. That's quite a power to see into someone's mind, to know what I know and experience what I've experienced. Plus I did accept jesus, many times over and followed the bible unquestioningly and ended up feeling hollow empty and alone no matter how much I begged him to make me feel something. I was plunged into serious depression because I knew everyone around me was going to hell and were good people I could not save.

[danephillips]

@anubis2814 you reject the bible you reject Jesus as being truth I therefore took your words to get the answer.You suffered depressed?Fact God allow mankind to have free will .Without free will you have robots.You felt emply because you kept asking God for something more.Salvations a gift that is all one needs.After that it's about witnessing for God the truth.You saw hell as real then witness they have free will too .Understand Experience sadness does not make Jesus not truth.it about forever.

[anubis2814]

@danephillips If you repeat it to yourself enough times it doesn't make it any more true. Your arguments are indoctrinated ignorance I used to believe and use.

[Strawedify]

:O

The Bible is the most scientific book in the world? Must have been written by scientists then... ow no wait, we shouldn't trust those! Science leads to killing people! Which is a "good word".

Boy, I love contradictions by followers :).

[Roannepur]

Oh, I love seeing them try and throw it in your face. Then call it a moral system. The joy I get from pointing out the little things that don't make sense. : )

[DodoPandemic]

"Human life is the result of a glorious evolutionary accident" That quote seems to originate from Y-origins itself, every other site (all creationist sites) I found that quote seem to have just copied it from Y-origins. You have to hand it to them, they know there audience, only a creationist wouldn't have any problem with just making up a quote, they know there audience isn't going to look for the scource....

[JRChadwick]

Yep. Neither stefzula or myself could find any site that gave the source for that quote.

[hadr0n]

I love it when scientifically illiterate people try to use quantum mechanics as an argument to promote whatever wooly-minded nonsense they are peddling!

[DeadBabyJesus]

Oh that's Stefzulla

[DeadBabyJesus]

Wait, I recognize this girls voice, what was her user name previously?

[FallenAngel0fDoom]

That Richard Dawkins lecture was awesome.

[bdf2718]

There is no dark matter. The reason our galaxy appears to have more mass than we can detect visually is because people like nephilimfree and venomfangx are infinitely dense.

[StubbornProgrammer]

Hmm... the correction at 5:49 might not be necessary.

In the box you put up they said "dark matter and energy" which could mean "both dark matter and dark energy" as opposed to just "dark matter and normal energy". 95%+ agrees with total for both in the graphic you put up.

That said, the only reason we have these concepts is because of scientific observation, which is far more damming an oversight. It's really quite silly to try and use one datum of science to prove all science doesn't work.

[JRChadwick]

You are absolutely right. I made an annotation and edited the side bar to correct my oversight. I misunderstood that line of the article.

[ogjimkenobi]

Damn, nice video JR, I wonder if I can stef to do some guest narrating?

Having a female voice come in for some of the narration really adds a different sort of element to the production as a whole.

[stefzula]

Never hurts to ask!

:-)

[ogjimkenobi]

Hmm, well then, I'll have to keep you in mind and ask you once I can present you with a project.

Good to hear from you Stef.

: )

[StubbornProgrammer]

Yay, I made a contribution!

Probably won't make much of a difference in the end, but I'd rather not give such purveyors of nonsense any openings.

Keep hammering them :)

[nebulajr]

JRC,

Great video!

[theanswersofnwo3]

Nephilimfree disproves your entire video. You should watch the video where he proves dark matter is a conspiricy.

[nekedemus]

Nephilimfree disproves dark matter????

I see a Nobel price right there.

Why have I not seen any articles on that. it´s big.

I mean really BIG.

[pilgrimpater]

Yeah i had a pm debate with Neph. He desperately wanted me to say that we knew everything about Dark Matter and that we had conclusive proof of what it actaully is. He carried on as if i had indeed taken that stance. The man is a total scientific illiterate. Oh and he also believes that the Earth is the centre of the Universe. Laugh? I nearly bought a pint.

[nekedemus]

LOL. The press conference and the release of one of the biggest scientific findings of this century has been postponed until further notice.

[reddog22000]

Nephilimfree proves dark matter is a conspiracy just like this comment proves you're a bowl of toenails.

[sugmegpls]

aaahahaha

[NeedsEvidence]

theanswerofnwo3, why hasn't Nephilimfree publish his conspiracy findings as yet? I am physicist watching cosmological research on a daily basis, attending respective seminars and colloqiums in labs and universities, and I as well as my colleagues are not aware to be part of a conspiracy. So please, ask Nephilimfree to enlighten us.

[nebulajr]

theanswersofnwo3,

Stop relying on youtube for an education.

[HoustonAtheist]

Dr. Aunswers, I'm not so sure that I would use Nephilimfree as a source. When he is a Geocentrist...

[milkman5547]

LOL, Please take off your tin foil hat long enough to receive this message ---- Nephilimfree is utterly unqualified to speak on any field of science. How could he disprove what he doesn't understand? He has presented no math to back up his crazy assertions and is completely unqualified to do so. ----- End of transmission, please resume normal safeguards to rational thought intrusions and always remember to keep spare tin foil frozen to prevent Theta wave deterioration. :-)

[JRChadwick]

ROLF!! Of course, how could I have forgotten NephilimFree's authoritative videos on Cosmology! Boy, do I ever feel foolish. I should send a message to NephilimFree thanking him for helping me with my education. Oh wait! I can'! He blocked me a year ago!

Seriously, Nick. Get a life.

[kalamain]

I will admit now that string theory makes my head hurt. So I can see why not everyone will be fluent with its workings.

But dismissing it, or indeed any other idea, simply because they don't understand it is insane.

Not only that...But its not helping the human race by replacing scientific knowledge with 'God' just because its easier.

[nebulajr]

Hear Hear!

[AuntieDiluvian]

I love your quote, ' Everything I have ever learned about science has been more exciting and more inviting than any story has ever been, whether it be from the pages of a religious text or an episode of Star Trek. ' Well said!

[GWR3440]

What annoys me about this, is that God is merely part of somebody else's religion. I have never understood why its believers expect everybody to take it seriously,- not just atheists but also believers in other religions.

There is simply no reason to start from their position.

[JRChadwick]

I mention something vaguely similar to this in part C.

[GWR3440]

Thanks.

They don't seem to realise just how much work they need to for it to reach a point where their version can even be considered.

Or how many of their presumptions have to be dropped.

For example design is, like God, a presumption of somebody else's religion.

There is no way to conclude it because if everything is supposed to have been designed there is nothing natural for comparison.

You have to already know enough about the designer to know that it designed it all.