Roman Catholic Women Priests: Presentation of Four newly ordained Women bishops

[0276boy]

This hysteria has me fascinated. Some lunatic babes are going to gate crash Rome?! These "ordinations" are invalid and sinful. Canon Law is absolute on this matter. The matter for Orders is a VIR... a male. This is all fake, and no bishop, no matter if were doing something in secret, can confect Orders on a female. No more can he consecrate a turnip the Eucharist. Prove me wrong by telling me when ever a woman said Mass or heard confessions in historical RC reality. I'm waiting.

[ronpaulfreedom1]

All i can say now is God help these people..they are tearing the body of Christ down to the ground...We as Roman Catholics will never except women priestesses..You are anathema.../if you show up at our church we will run u out on a rail!!!

[ronpaulfreedom1]

The male bishops who ordained these women ..did so in secret..They have been ipso facto excumnicated along with all these women proclaiming to be priests and bishops..Only the pope can ordain a bishop...And these women are nothing more than Wiccan witch.priestesses....They have no standing in the Roman Catholic church..They never will..They have no power of consecration and they are leading the people who follow them straight to hell..Women become nuns and nuns are beautiful. spit these out now!

[MyBetty111]

A really "lost in space" fantasy. Women cannot be priests.

[streets2apostle]

3) There were more than 12 Apostles in existence, 24 being named in the NT. Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Titus, Onenesimus, James (the Lord's brother), Jude (the Lord's brother) & quite a few others weren't one of the 12, yet clearly regarded as Apostles. Should I continue to name some more? Once again, Adronicus & Junia both founded the Church of Pannonia, & were both called Apostles in the One holy Catholic & Apostolic Church long before Rome & the East split. Check your facts.

[streets2apostle]

2) Discipleship means that one is studying to later become that same particular type of worker. A carpenter's disciple is called an "Apprentice" & they later become Carpenters. So too are disciples in Ministry. If you are the disciple of a Prophet, you are training for the Prophetic Ministry office. The 70 disciples (not just 12) were training for Apostleship under Jesus the Apostle of our Confession. You had it all wrong regarding discipleship. She wasnt just a Christian, she was training.

[streets2apostle]

Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon, Canon#15 states"No woman under forty years of age is to be ordained a Deacon, and then only after close scrutiny. If after receiving ordination and spending some time in the ministry she despises God's grace and gets married, such a person is to be anathematized along with her spouse. "

This is an Ecumenical Canon that Rome violates, with Pope Paul VI saying that the RCC doesn't have authority to ordain women.

[streets2apostle]

All of what was stated violates Ecumenical Canon law, & the punishment for such decrees was deposement, even for a Patriarch. However, Roman Catholic doctrine declared conveniently that the Pope can be judged by no man, so basically he can do what he pleases. Dont say the Cardinals balance him, for he handpicks his Cardinals. The Synod of Bishops cant judge him because RCC law states that only the Pope can legally call the Synod together. Therefore, how can they balance him? ...(continue)....

[streets2apostle]

Dr. Ludwig Ott,(1952), Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. p. 456.

"Every validly consecrated Bishop, including heretical, schismatic, simonistic, or excommunicated Bishops, can validly dispense the Sacrament of Order, provided that he has the requisite intention, & follows the essential external rite (set. Certa). Cf. D 855, 860; CIC 2372."

This is classic Roman Catholic doctrine! (continue)

[streets2apostle]

In Apostolicae Curae (1896), Pope Leo XII that even a grossly erroneous sacramental doctrine & the intention not to produce the sacramental effects do not destroy the sacrament if the minister has a predominant intention to do what Christ instituted. According to Latin Rite doctrine, even a heretic, schismatic, or excommunicated Bishop may rightfully ordain another as a Deacon, Priest, Bishop, or another Ministerial office in the One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church (continue)

[streets2apostle]

The Declaration Inter Insigniores, made by Pope Paul VI, states the Church "does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination." This same Pope wrongfully excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre for ordaining four Bishops without the consent of the Holy See, however, these excommunications were lifted by Pope Benedict in 2009, therefore, justifying his actions. If the Church doesn't feel authorized to ordain females, they neither have the authority to deem it illegal(continue)

[streets2apostle]

"Perhaps one day, in thirty or forty years, a meeting of Cardinals gathered together by a future Pope will study & judge the reign of Paul VI; perhaps they will say that there were things that ought to be clearly obvious to people at the time, statements of the Pope that were totally against Tradition....& if one day we discover for certain that the Pope was not the Pope, at least I will have done my duty."

-Archbishop Marcel-François Lefebvre, wrongfully excummuncated

[Childinfaith]

Either way, none of you are truly Catholic. You don't worship Jesus. You worship yourselves and the world. Your own personal convictions about your arbitrary viewpoints are what is kept in your tabernacle. Your virtue is dissidence and your sacraments are rebellion. You spit on the traditions of our fathers and replace them at will with your own personal perverted fantasies. Christianity is nothing but a self help social club to you and were a saint to stand in your presence they would vomit.

[bt804d]

@streets2apostle I'm gload you have never sought communion with Rome. For one, you wouldnt be accepted, for another, we dont want you! It is not I that condemns heretics to Hell, it is the One True ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH -- repent now, go to confession or be lost!

[streets2apostle]

@bt804d 1) Any person claiming to be Christ yet say "we don't want you" is no Christian at all. That is something you must repent for. Had the RCC recanted concerning certain issues, then I would full accept them as being Catholic, but they themselves violate Catholic standards.

2) If gender can misrepresent Christ, then women cant be considered a disciple of Apostles or even Christian. It was St. Peter, the one you claim as your Apostle who acknowledge females a faithful disciple.

[Childinfaith]

@streets2apostle

"but they themselves violate Catholic standards."

By what authority do you claim Rome violated its own standards? I wasn't aware you were the Pope.

[Childinfaith]

"If gender can misrepresent Christ, then women cant be considered a disciple of Apostles or even Christian"

It only misrepresents Christ when it is taken out of the correct context. Here is where you are clueless on the distinction between disciple and Apostle. Anyone who is a faithful Christian is Christ's disciple. An Apostle is one of the 12. The men, not women, who Christ hand picked to be the founders and shepherds of the Church and their successors have ALWAYS been men.

[Childinfaith]

"the one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church acknowledged Junia, a female, as an Apostle & co-founder of the Church of Pannonia before the the East & West split in 1054 AD. Therefore yes, there were female Apostles."

Again your ignorance is astounding. AN APOSTLE IS ONE OF THE 12. Not a single one was a woman and never did the 12 choose women to succeed them. You have absolute no clue as to what a priest even is. A priest isn't just a preacher or a teacher...cont....

[streets2apostle]

@Childinfaith 1) I'm the Senior Apostle, Patriarch, & Int'l Presiding Bishop of my Church fellowship. Even though I stand in such rank, it doesn't take a high ranking Bishop to point out truth. A Child can easily tell you that stealing is wrong. Does a person need to be a ranking member of the RCC to read the rules & tell you that they broke a few? No wonder they see heretic ordinations as valid, the Popes & College of Cardinals make up rules as they go along, and violate them as the please.

[Childinfaith]

Women cannot be In Persona Christi because Christi was a man, not a woman.

[streets2apostle]

@Childinfaith Apostle Paul said CLEARLY "there is neither bond nor free, Jew nor Greek, male nor female, for all are one in Christ", therefore gender is no issues. The term "Christian" means "Christ-like" or "Like-Christ", therefore gender is no issues. Therefore, on those terms alone can a female properly represent Christ. Christ spoke saying that we will no long be married or given into marriage, but like the angels when He returns, therefore gender is no issue.

[bt804d]

@streets2apostle---I see that YOU are as much of a heretic as these women. They will suffer the pain of eternal HELL for destroying the unity of the ONE TRUE CHURCH! YOU have no right to tell a Catholic that they must accept heresy just because a heretic wants to be accepted. There are plenty of other churches that accept woman as ministers. GO THERE! LEAVE US ALONE! We worship in the Roman Rite because we like it the way it is. People have NO right to change that because of their opinion

[streets2apostle]

@bt804d You have no right to condemn me o them to Hell. Everything I stated can be proven by both Scripture & Canon Laws, both of which Rome ignores completely. You really as a Roman Catholic speak to me about opinion when you just said "We worship in the Roman Rite because we like it the way it is"? How dare you! Such hypocrisy is is scary. I never was Roman Catholic, & as the Bishop over my fellowship of believers, I never even wanted to seek communion with Rome, partly because of this.

[bt804d]

What these women need to realize is this: those of us that are TRUE Roman Catholics do NOT want them administering the Sacraments to us. We do NOT want them as pastors or priests. PLEASE leave this Church alone and find another one or better yet found your own!

[passionate4jc]

@bt804d -interesting that you call yourself a "TRUE Roman Catholic"-have you not had women administering the Holy Eucharist in your church? They have been doing that a long time now.

I also hope you are speaking for yourself because I hate to tell you, but there are a load of "TRUE Roman Catholics that DO want them as pastors.

[streets2apostle]

@bt804d Is it your "Roman Catholic" right to choose who can & cannot administer the sacraments to you? Last I checked, the one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church is the Lord's Church. Let God choose who serves Him in His Church & where they serve. Romans 12:3-8; Romans 14:7-14

[Childinfaith]

@streets2apostle

The Church is not a democracy. In fact, the universe is not a democracy. Its a monarchy and Christ is the King. The Church models itself after the way the Universe is governed. The Holy Catholic Church in Her tradition and wisdom adheres to a male clergy and that's the end of it.

[streets2apostle]

@Childinfaith Can gender misrepresent God's character? What about God's power? If so, then He is no god at all. The Roman Catholic Church made decisions that went against the set rules of Christianity. They forced clergy to divorce their wives, they restrict women from being Deacons, & the list goes on. Both of these were Ecumenical Canon Laws that Rome agreed to, but violated.

[Childinfaith]

@streets2apostle

"Can gender misrepresent God's character?"

Yes. Yes it can. Jesus was a man. Priests, by definition, are to fulfill the role of In Persona Christi. This is impossible to do with a woman. Jesus had no female Apostles, the Apostles had no female successors, there were and are no such thing as female Bishops.

"The Roman Catholic Church made decisions that went against the set rules of Christianity"

Name one

[Childinfaith]

"They forced clergy to divorce their wives"

Proof please and thank you.

"they restrict women from being Deacons"

Due to the nature of the office. It is part of the hierarchy and therefore restricted to males. Never in the history of the Church has a woman fulfilled In Person Christi. Not even our Blessed Mother.

"Both of these were Ecumenical Canon Laws that Rome agreed to, but violated."

I would love to see those Canons actually. If you can even provide them.

[streets2apostle]

@Childinfaith 3) the one holy Catholic & Apostolic Church acknowledged Junia, a female, as an Apostle & co-founder of the Church of Pannonia before the the East & West split in 1054 AD. Therefore yes, there were female Apostles.

4) If I named all of the decisions that Rome made against Canon law, I'd be here a long time. But for the sake of educating you on Canon Law, something that you as a RC should know already, so be it. Let us start by quoting a Roman Catholic Archbishop...(continued)....

[ukphotolady]

1 John says the The Word is God.

'The Word' is actually the sound of mankind's soul standing in the Grace of Christ. He gives his Grace to men and women equally.

Male arrogance and pride means that those people who are not comfortable speaking with a priest are having their pathway to God hindered. Such a thing is not holy, nor is it 'of God'.

God is love.....love does does not stand in the way of another human being coming to know Christ.

[gsedar]

How very sad. This isn't about protecting the truth of the Gospel or preserving the traditions of the Church, it's about self-indulgence and power. This type of applause and raising of arms as in some type of victory would never happen in an Orthodox Church. Again, the focus should be on the Church of Christ not on these individuals.

[bearnurse1]

@gsedar Exactly! So the men should let go of their greed for power and let the women also be leaders and bishops and priests.

[mjgroark]

very, very sad...

[peruvianhitman]

Catholic women who have the sacrament of holy orders is actually zero you foolish heretics.

[choirboy526]

LIFT YOUR HANDS HIGHER!!!!!

you look like a bunch of druids