All of these predominantly White European Christian states founded on self-reliance and hard work and the pioneer ethic would probably be better off away from multiculturalism and diversity and liberalism. I'd like to see them secede and go on to prosper and thrive, unfettered by damn jewish controlled federal government. Godspeed.
He'd dead right about Alaska. AK has a small population and vast natural resources. If AK became independent it wouldn't have the federal governemtn constantly butting in telling Alaskans what they can and cannot take out of their own land. Alaska has plenty of natural recources to trade and create jobs with.
The name "American" itself comes from a time when former British citizens decided to "secede" and they renamed themselves "Americans". It's so damn funny to hear "Americans" say it's illegal.
This is old settled law, and anyone who says we (Texas or any other state) can is an unpatriotic whiny moron. I'm sorry you can't get your way for 4 years, that doesn't mean you can secede. It's not your way or the highway. That is right Texas is not a territory, it's a STATE. A territory is like Guam or Puerto Rico.
@PresBarack "Can't" and illegal are two separate things
The American Revolution was illegal secession of slave-holding British colonies against the British democratically elected parliament. For them, a tiny tea tax was "too much". It was illegal, but they "can" and did do it
Nearly a million Americans have died to protect other "illegal secessions" such as Taiwan from PRC, South Korea from DPRK, etc. Recently, the US supported Kosovo's "illegal" secession from Serbia.
You have a slight point. Since that portion of the treaty was ruled void by the US, then Texas doesn't have to hold up their end of the deal. Congratulations. Texas has been a free country since the Civil War.
The modern day Republican party is not the Democratic party. Republicans are (Usually --- Bush Wasn't) fiscal conservatives. You must have access to the TV from time to time. The Democrats have outspent Bush's last 4 years in less than a year. They along with rouge Bush has driven this country into a depression.
Europe seems to do fine as a bunch of independent states that share a common currency (in addition to their own internal currencies) and that watch each other's back militarily (most of the time). I don't see why North America couldn't be the same. A bunch of independent states with a shared economy. And various State military bases that watch each other's back. We don't need the Fed. It does more harm than good.
Europe has been like that for centuries, and just look at the constant wars they've through, wars in America are Disneyland compared to the European wars.
Willie, you make a good point. Truth be told, I was holding back in my previous comment. I was just advocating for a stepping stone toward what I would REALLY prefer. . . a stateless or very nearly stateless society. If my fantasy came true there would only be one law: "Aggress Not." And if there HAD to be a state, its ONLY purpose would be to enforce that one law. Though there are many who argue we could do that without a state at all.
@rmcdaniel423 well now Europe is going to hell in a hand basket with their economy and the Canadian and US Dollar still remain one of the top currencies in the world. Maybe a few states could secede like the Confederate States of America did back in the mid-late 1800's and it would work out but if all the states became independant things would not work out
@Hellscope1 What is causing Europe's economy to "go to hell in a hand basket"? Does it have anything to do with tying together various states via the common euro? Or centralized reserve banking? Or runaway deficits created by politicians for collectivist society political reasons? Dig deep. See how Lew Rockwell and Peter Schiff have analyzed Europe's problems (they are very realistic economists). I bet their problems stem from doing the same crap the US Federal govt is guilty of.
@rmcdaniel423 Well, Europe did do well until a certain time, but any union needs some sort of harmonization, and in this sense, Europe did fail a bit on the economic side. You can't have a hard-working women and a lazy man (or vice-versa) in the house. There has to be some responsibility from the latter. This is what is trying to be achieved with the forced bankruptcies/mass reform which are being introduced in Europe. After all, some US states are contemplating this...
@darwincity I'm not an econ expert. Please explain a little further. . .
. . .bearing in mind that my original comment implied no responsibilities whatsoever from one state to another. Merely a common form of currency and the promise to come to each other's aid in times of military crisis. What SORT of "responsibilities" & "harmonization" do you think is necessary? And why?
uhhhhhh Texas has a coastal area dude , we could export and import out of Galveston and corpus Christi , not to be a pot head but we raise a mass amount of profits on marijuana farms
Yep - Alaska may be cold...but Sarah is HOT! :) I was waiting to see this fella take us into the special room. The one with the politicians on dart boards. I'll have to buy him one.
To state the obvious, No state can secede without bloodshed... Even Alaska. History can tell us that. By the way, I thought that is what history was for... So we don't make the same mistakes, it seems like most people went to sleep during their lessons. If we were to secede now, America would fall to the bitter end. Now is not the time to fight with brothers... Now is the time we need to be stronger than ever.. to DEFEND our country with those brothers.
Well since you have referred to illegal search and seizures, you can thank Bush for starting that; Patriot Act. (Isn't that a cute little name? We give up freedoms in the name of patriotism; A brilliant way to garner support for an illegal program). If you try to steal state from the US in the name of (whatever ever the heille kinda cause) you are a terrorist. We need to put you in Gauntanamo with the rest of those fools. Then either you REJECT citizenship or be TRIED for treason. PREIOD
I wish Texas could suceed. We don't want them. They produced the worst president ever and they have the DUMBEST GOVERNOR. Can you imagine the blood bath, if they ever tried something like that. The FEDS will never let Texas succeed, the federal guard will come in, the union will be restored and the Gov. will either be in jail or excuted treason and creating an f insurrection.
Obama is a rhodes scholar and former president of the Harvard Law Review. He has only been in office fore a little over 100 days. Then again, I am talking to a Bush drunkie/flunkie who thought that his mumbo/jumbo was brilliant! If Texas was to go back to its original culture and country. You would be part of Mexico. (Good luck with that). BOTTOM LINE; Texas is not seceding. No reputable gov. offical supports it including your gov. who started this mess. JUST GIVE IT UP!!!!
The United States reserves the right to preserve the union against threats from without and within. We have settled this issue before. The union will not be broken regardless of what your state "documents say" the executive branch, federal courts and the military trumps your "state documents."
I really don't agree with your assessment. I don't think that the US is turning its back on freedom and rights because it decides to guard itself against domestic terrorism and threats of secession.
its our right to secceed if america is truly the home of the free why is it were not allowed to seceed? why cant Texas become its own country? Think of those brave souls who fought and died in the Alamo so that Texas would be free of mexico and then to have us join america only a few years later is sickening.
sececcion is the american way thats how we became our own nation so if you call Texans terrorists for wanting to secceed youre calling america terrorists because they walked the same road
You are very niave. There are very few nations that I am aware of "willingly" gave up territory or apart of itself. The bottom line comes to military. Texas is not as strong as the fed government. It would be a dangerous experiment for you, and you will loose AGAIN!!!!! It will never happen and Texas has to much of a growing Hispanic pop to ever support it. From what I have seen, mostly white repubs support this. It'll NEVER HAPPEN, PLUS you cannot get majority IN YOUR STATE to support it.
we want to secceed peacefully not through violence
and if the united states forbids us from secceeding despite it being Texas's right to seceed then Texas will most likly rebel and demand independance and if they still say no then it will show america we are not as free as most think we are and more states will join in the rebellion for indapendance
many states have thought of seceeding they will join Texas in a heart beat
Great comeback, so creative,for a complete twatflap as yourself. But again, what about the rest of the Texans, do you care what they think, or is it all about your extremist flakeazoid ideals?
Secession is not a threat to the Union and where in the D/I or Const. do you find that the US is even obligated to respond with force against such an action? Ah yes...the FEDERAL courts. How could I be so misinformed?
Fortunately, this is NOT how the country was intended to be by the framers. The bill of rights applied to the People and the States and were intended to trump the Feds, not the other way around. Sad that this knowledge is all but gone from our school books.
no the constitution says that and i quote "all powers not deglegated to the union are reserved for the states or the people" u sir are entomed in the leftist progressive propaganda of the current administration and i feel terribly sorry 4 u
oKAY regardless of what leftest agenda I am on (you sound like Hannity lol), just try succeeding. Everything I have said to you will turn into prophecy. You cannot get the majority in Texas to support this and public sentiment is fickle, when all networks start reporting this you will loose more and more support. The national guard will call the bases in Texas and order will be resorted, millitary people involved in this will be court marshalled and civilians will be punished by the law.
However, you seem to think that you can win. GOOD LUCK!!! We are now living in a technological era of global interdependence (Global econ) Texas is a major player, but hell so is many cities in cali. (L.A., Sand Diago and etc). Texas is not the only state with a major econ GA and New York also have major econs. To be honest, the private sectors in Texas will not support such efforts b/c of how it can impact their business sites at home (texas) and in other states. You haven't thought this thru.
Do you honestly, think that the soldiers stationed in Texas are going to be so loyal to their state that they will not do their job if an order comes from the white house? (Very niave). What are you going to fight them with; broom sticks, riffles and shot guns? I am not sure if you can overcome an army with 6 tanks are coming at you. (If you are this disatisfied with the way America is going, you need to do what we have always done, take your argue to the voting box next election).
if u can produce any documents proving what u just said about obama(that isn't in a gov. website) id believe u till then i stand by the edgehed but n ur original culture and country comment u obviously arent from the great state(republic) of Texas r u would know that texas joined the Union not for Texas but for the Union and in our constitution (which is the constitution of the Republic of Texas) Texas reserved the right 2 become its own republic whenever it decides with a 3/4 majority of course
Of course the Feds wouldn't let Texas secede, even if that means breaking the treaty that officially states we're allowed to secede. We're one of their biggest cash cows, after all.
But if you're referring to Bush as the worst president, we didn't "produce" him, Connecticut did. Get your facts straight. And our "dumb" governor has managed to make Texas one of the least affected by the recession so far. You know, the same recession Obama and Congress are worsening with their crazy overspending.
i also thought palin was used to demolish mccains chances to win. they wanted a super popular president and the only way to do that was to make the other candidate look like bafoons. :)
just a theory. but it definately makes sense to me. hahaha
administration is trying so hard to save domestic auto manufacturers? one of our last remaining mechanized goods that we produce. if the US loses it's trading partners it will be a complete disaster. An entire nation of services ready to service who? nobody? and watch the prices of goods skyrocket when supply plummets and demand continues. you should look into economics my friend.
and if you're advocating a war, get real. look at my very first comment.
"if the US loses it's trading partners it will be a complete disaster. An entire nation of services ready to service who? nobody?"
Except that the very same trading parnters have literally nobody else to sell their stuff to and would be equally ruined.
And no, I´m not advocating anything. All I say is that all this stuff about secession being a real option was buried together with the Confederate States of America.
just because they aren't selling to the US doesn't mean they aren't selling to the rest of the world. globalization has come a long way and while the US has a huge consumer market that is very beneficial to these trading partners, their loss of consumers doesn't match the US's complete loss of economy in this case. and while we all hope secession died with the CSA, i still think it is necessary to have the option to overthrow a government that ignores deriving its power from the people.
"just because they aren't selling to the US doesn't mean they aren't selling to the rest of the world."
Frankly, do you even have a real mpoint? That´s completely besides topic. I reiterate: Globalisation or no,. the economy of Texas is dependent on trade with the other states and the influx of federal money it receives and will collapse if suddenly severed from that cashflow.
"globalization has come a long way and while the US has a huge consumer market that is very beneficial to these trading partners, their loss of consumers doesn't match the US's complete loss of economy in this case."
False. Seriously, jsut take China for an example. WIthout the trade surplus they get from the US, their entire economy would crash and burn spectacularly.
This loss of consumers means the complete breakdown of ALL economies in place to service them.
okay i hate to repeat myself but here goes: TX sends more money to the Fed than it receives. therefore, if it secedes it doesn't need the Fed's money and would actually be better off. Texas is busy bailing out other states like California through the Fed who's economy is in the dumps. And frankly, its a hell of a point. it refutes your original claim that TX needs the US and that the US can create trade blockades. which is the original point of this vid. do some research. your ideas arent facts.
"TX sends more money to the Fed than it receives."
And funnily, that figure does NOT include texan companies being directly paid by the federal government. It does NOT include the general economic boost provided by the presence of federal installations like army bases.
Your statement ALSO completely ignores the base reality that Texas´ economy is completely interwoven with the national economy and will do nothing but break down if severed from it.
No, it isn´t, you fucking moron. Go leanr some basic economics before spouting this blatant bullshit. The entire economy of Texas is utterly dependent on selling and buying from the rest of the country AND in case of a secession the federal govenrment can easily implement the exact same measures they did and still do against Cuba. Those very measures, by the way, pretty much ensure that Cuba will never be a 1st world country.
My "ideas" are the economic reality as of right now. Texas´ economy cannot survive in any menaignful fashion without masssive trade with the other states. Even cutting that alone will turn Texas into a veritable 3rd world country. A Cuba-esque trade embargo, forcing other nations to chose between trading with Texas or the US (and nobody would be delusional enough to choose Texas) will only make that worse.
i think you're the one who needs the economics classes because i've already done that. we've been over all of this many times and none of your "economic reality" is backed up by facts. fact: TX economy is 8th largest in the entire world. why is this? natural resources. why do countries trade? to obtain cheap or otherwise unattainable resources. Also, this interwoven idea: Texas is one of the few states with a solid economy. this helps the US as a whole and drains Texas. figure it out dipshit.
The economy of Texas is integrated into the economy of the Unites States to such a degree that severing them will completely ruin Texas. Their resource producer lose their customers, their manufacturing loses their resource suppliers etc. And everything grounds to a halt.
Double that with the inevitable sanctions by the US government making sure that Texas will only get decent trade partners the day hell freezes over and the entire state collapses like a house of cards.
"Texas is one of the few states with a solid economy."
*facepalm* And they achieve that by trading with the other states.
"this helps the US as a whole and drains Texas."
And more ignorance of economics. Without customers and suppliers from the other states, Texas own economy ain´t worth shit. Trade *never* helps only one side, you fucking moron. It wouldn´t exist if it did and last time I checked, there is no law requiring texanian companies to trade with other states.
Even better: Most big companies that are cornerstones of Texas´ economy are operating on a national level. And when faced with the choice of pulling all their assets out of Texas or the US, most will chose to pull out of Texas. That alone will cause a major market breakdown by itself.
Texas has signed it's own death warrant by allowing such a massive influx of illegals. The only way Texas will secede is if the Mexican nationals (illegals) decide to take Texas back into Mexico along with Az, NM, Ca. I would love to see Texans find their gumption and stock up on gold then print currency backed by it. Also they could simply refuse to pay federal income tax as a state and not send a delegation to Washington...I would be tempted to move to Texas and join up.
And that´s the gist of it: should any single state seceed, the federal govenrment can put them under a trade blockade and watch said state completely implode to the point where they will beg to be taken into the Union again.
It's funny you should say that because texas is self-sufficient and can operate as an isolationist country. They have all the natural resources they need. the US takes from Texas much more than Texas takes from the US and so far Texas is one of the only states who can operate without deficit spending.
wow go do some research and get your "facts" right. also if you were informed you would know that the swine flu is a mild form of generic seasonal flu. it's not a threat anymore.
and a trade blockade?? ahahah this isn't the dark ages anymore. ever heard of globalization? TX will just import/export/ and outsource from other countries who have cheaper goods and services in the first place
"also if you were informed you would know that the swine flu is a mild form of generic seasonal flu"
Doesn´t change a single bit about the fact that Perry´s no crying to the ebil gubernment, or specifically CDC, to move their stocks of anti-flu medication closer to Texas in case he gets an epidemic into his backyard.
"and a trade blockade?? ahahah this isn't the dark ages anymore. ever heard of globalization?"
Cuba. ´Nuff said. If the US can do it to them, they can do it to Texas.
"TX will just import/export/ and outsource from other countries who have cheaper goods and services in the first place "
And like with Cuba, all these countries will then face penalties when trading with the USA. And if given the choice between trading with Texas or the rest of the US, any country will choose the latter.
For that matter, the US could simply blockade Texas and nobody would be able or willing to do a shit about it. It´s not like Texas could do anything against the USN.
you seem to forget that the US is already currently DEPENDENT upon OTHER countries for trade. ever heard of trade surpluses and trade deficits? the US imports far more than they export. the US needs the countries it trades with and will not say "we will not trade with you" because the US economy would be the loser there.
"for that matter, the US could simply blockade Texas"
are you serious? what a naval and air blockade? not probable. might as well declare war if that were to happen.
"you seem to forget that the US is already currently DEPENDENT upon OTHER countries for trade."
The very same countries are even MORE dependent on said trade. The US economy can stomach loosing some of it´s trade partners. Said trade partners economies CAN´T stomach loosing the US.
"are you serious? what a naval and air blockade? not probable. might as well declare war if that were to happen."
So? I mean, it´s not like it didn´t already happen once.
ok first off, let me set this straight. i'm not advocating that texas secede; i'm acknowledging it's ability to do so. with that said, when you mention "the very same countries are even more dependent on said trade..." this is clearly idealistic of you. i urge you to look into history (American Revolution for example) and find the troubles of trade deficits. a strong economy exports more than it imports. and now we are becoming service based as a nation. why do you think the Obama
""the very same countries are even more dependent on said trade..." this is clearly idealistic of you."
No, it really isn´t. Save perhaps China and Canada, the US economy could stomach losing trade with almost any other partner nation. At the same time, most of these nations are almost utterly depndent on trade with the US and would experience a massive crash should it stop.
ha good luck invading TX. they have the 8th largest economy alone and a ton of the US's military arsenal. not to mention a well armed public population. just sayin, it would be no cakewalk.
"ha good luck invading TX. they have the 8th largest economy alone and a ton of the US's military arsenal"
Except that if they seceed, they will have to turn over ALL federal assets, including any military hardware. That, and the moment the rest of the US puts them under the same trade blockade as Cuba, this 8th largest economy in the world will implode into a 3rd world country in less than a year.
I live in Texas and I hope we don't secede. What kind of United States would it be without Texas??? No more oil..aye???? And I hate stereo types...just btw
Go ahead, secceed; we'll either enforce Federal rule there and declare martial law in all of Texas and arrest all supporters of seccession on the grounds of high treason, or we will let you go, take out all federal assests and leave you with 1/50th of the federal debt and watch how you implode and not lift even a finger to help you, instead just putting a trade blockade on you like with Cuba.
I can´t wait for that state full of douchebags to try it.
LOL! It's GREAT watching the GOP fall apart & disintegrate into a HUGE pile of shit....just like their hypocritical platform of ideas & values. ~Scarah Failin
Can you Texans come up with an intelligent politician? Between your dumb-shit current governor, to humiliated Rep Delay, to the last president elect, it's hard to tell which is the BIGGEST dumb-shit!
does Perry's suggestion come after he refused the $555 million stimulus money in march?
cbs11tv c o m/politics/perry.stimulus.rejected.2.957694.html
"Perry said the requirements attached to the federal stimulus money would require a change in the state's definition of unemployment. He said such an expansion would counteract the package's objective of job creation by leading companies to limit hiring and raise prices."
You know, the more democrats smear the right on an issue the more I'm convinced that they're affected by it.
Texas can survive on their own and defend itself against a weakened liberal, America bashing, antiwar, antiimperialist United States. If this is what it takes to push for Consitutional Rights, then so be it.
What about Ga and the other southern states? The Texas Republic or The New Confederate States of America? LOL, Secession is a bad idea. God Bless America; United we stand divided we fall!
All of these predominantly White European Christian states founded on self-reliance and hard work and the pioneer ethic would probably be better off away from multiculturalism and diversity and liberalism. I'd like to see them secede and go on to prosper and thrive, unfettered by damn jewish controlled federal government. Godspeed.
WhiteyMcWhiteJr 8 months ago
Let them leave
California will go to war and take there oil
That settles that hahah :P
codkiller100 1 year ago
@codkiller100 ROTFL! Texas would slaughter California!
AlamoBuck 4 months ago
He'd dead right about Alaska. AK has a small population and vast natural resources. If AK became independent it wouldn't have the federal governemtn constantly butting in telling Alaskans what they can and cannot take out of their own land. Alaska has plenty of natural recources to trade and create jobs with.
eskimobronco 1 year ago
The name "American" itself comes from a time when former British citizens decided to "secede" and they renamed themselves "Americans". It's so damn funny to hear "Americans" say it's illegal.
Yankee hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Cyrus255 1 year ago
Oh and don't forget the tens of thousands who died in Vietnam to protect Vietnam's "right" to illegally secede.
Secession is as American as cheeseburgers.
Cyrus255 1 year ago
You better suceed if we do and don't take no for answer.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
if texas leaves the union they're fucked bad.. LMFAO" they tried it once and it failed..
Tainowarrior203 1 year ago
I'm glad you think that ... I hope you enjoy that usurper of a President Marxist that's in office. Cause that's what your gonna end up with.
Texas was a Soverign Nation for 10 years.
Texas is not a Territory.
It was illegally brought into the Union by Congress which violated the Constitution.
Even John Quincy Adams knew it and he was a President of our country.
It was why he even voted "NO" for Texas to join the Union.
It was voted against twice.
I'm not even gonna debate
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@donjuandonjuan Texas V. White
This is old settled law, and anyone who says we (Texas or any other state) can is an unpatriotic whiny moron. I'm sorry you can't get your way for 4 years, that doesn't mean you can secede. It's not your way or the highway. That is right Texas is not a territory, it's a STATE. A territory is like Guam or Puerto Rico.
PresBarack 1 year ago
@PresBarack "Can't" and illegal are two separate things
The American Revolution was illegal secession of slave-holding British colonies against the British democratically elected parliament. For them, a tiny tea tax was "too much". It was illegal, but they "can" and did do it
Nearly a million Americans have died to protect other "illegal secessions" such as Taiwan from PRC, South Korea from DPRK, etc. Recently, the US supported Kosovo's "illegal" secession from Serbia.
Cyrus255 1 year ago
@PresBarack Picard facepalm moment.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@PresBarack The court did allow that divisibility might be possible "through revolution, or through consent of the States."
Leave something out ?.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
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donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
@PresBarack
You have a slight point. Since that portion of the treaty was ruled void by the US, then Texas doesn't have to hold up their end of the deal. Congratulations. Texas has been a free country since the Civil War.
lambdaofbacon 1 year ago
@Tainowarrior203 the civil war issue's with you.
donjuandonjuan 1 year ago
any state should be able to leave individually or as a group
longfootbuddy 1 year ago
texas vs white 1869 us supreme court ruled any state does not have a constitutional right to secede
motap001 2 years ago
Fuck the Supreme Court
bloodybob1964 1 year ago
abe lincoln was a republican,but his republican party is the modern day democratic party.
REfanboys1 2 years ago 4
The modern day Republican party is not the Democratic party. Republicans are (Usually --- Bush Wasn't) fiscal conservatives. You must have access to the TV from time to time. The Democrats have outspent Bush's last 4 years in less than a year. They along with rouge Bush has driven this country into a depression.
andrew19k 2 years ago
@REfanboys1 your smoking dope. You Liberal strung up blacks until the 1960's. Your the party of violence of hate.
godhelpusall5000 1 year ago
take a look at both parties values and how they changed over time. its pretty much that in the 20th century, they switched ideals.
QuitePossiblyANinja 1 year ago
Europe seems to do fine as a bunch of independent states that share a common currency (in addition to their own internal currencies) and that watch each other's back militarily (most of the time). I don't see why North America couldn't be the same. A bunch of independent states with a shared economy. And various State military bases that watch each other's back. We don't need the Fed. It does more harm than good.
rmcdaniel423 2 years ago 12
Europe has been like that for centuries, and just look at the constant wars they've through, wars in America are Disneyland compared to the European wars.
MultiWILLIE 2 years ago
Willie, you make a good point. Truth be told, I was holding back in my previous comment. I was just advocating for a stepping stone toward what I would REALLY prefer. . . a stateless or very nearly stateless society. If my fantasy came true there would only be one law: "Aggress Not." And if there HAD to be a state, its ONLY purpose would be to enforce that one law. Though there are many who argue we could do that without a state at all.
rmcdaniel423 2 years ago
If they get this Lissabon-treaty through it WILL be the end off ANY sovereignty in Europe.
Then we will be in the same cirkus as the one in america!
TheShadowwolf88 2 years ago
@rmcdaniel423 well now Europe is going to hell in a hand basket with their economy and the Canadian and US Dollar still remain one of the top currencies in the world. Maybe a few states could secede like the Confederate States of America did back in the mid-late 1800's and it would work out but if all the states became independant things would not work out
Hellscope1 1 year ago
@Hellscope1 What is causing Europe's economy to "go to hell in a hand basket"? Does it have anything to do with tying together various states via the common euro? Or centralized reserve banking? Or runaway deficits created by politicians for collectivist society political reasons? Dig deep. See how Lew Rockwell and Peter Schiff have analyzed Europe's problems (they are very realistic economists). I bet their problems stem from doing the same crap the US Federal govt is guilty of.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
@rmcdaniel423 Well, Europe did do well until a certain time, but any union needs some sort of harmonization, and in this sense, Europe did fail a bit on the economic side. You can't have a hard-working women and a lazy man (or vice-versa) in the house. There has to be some responsibility from the latter. This is what is trying to be achieved with the forced bankruptcies/mass reform which are being introduced in Europe. After all, some US states are contemplating this...
darwincity 11 months ago
@darwincity I'm not an econ expert. Please explain a little further. . .
. . .bearing in mind that my original comment implied no responsibilities whatsoever from one state to another. Merely a common form of currency and the promise to come to each other's aid in times of military crisis. What SORT of "responsibilities" & "harmonization" do you think is necessary? And why?
rmcdaniel423 11 months ago
uhhhhhh Texas has a coastal area dude , we could export and import out of Galveston and corpus Christi , not to be a pot head but we raise a mass amount of profits on marijuana farms
Daltonn0810 2 years ago
I am sure that Mexico is extremely excited about what you are thinking about doing.
EducateDaSoul 2 years ago
Texans are a bunch of traitors to the union get of the USA we are better off without you!
DemonDracula 2 years ago
ok have fun living in your police state
Daltonn0810 2 years ago 2
If anyone thinks that ANY state cannot secede because it's illegal, They're fucking loony.
The whole point of seceding is that we don't care anymore what they say is legal and what isn't.
mlkkkkkkk 2 years ago 3
Yep - Alaska may be cold...but Sarah is HOT! :) I was waiting to see this fella take us into the special room. The one with the politicians on dart boards. I'll have to buy him one.
Masonictoaster9 2 years ago 3
To state the obvious, No state can secede without bloodshed... Even Alaska. History can tell us that. By the way, I thought that is what history was for... So we don't make the same mistakes, it seems like most people went to sleep during their lessons. If we were to secede now, America would fall to the bitter end. Now is not the time to fight with brothers... Now is the time we need to be stronger than ever.. to DEFEND our country with those brothers.
brandonreynal 2 years ago
good they are not very patriotic
and they forget usa government is the people always has been the people
they dont deserve to be americans
goldenhoooney 2 years ago
fuck the federal goverment anyways their breaking every bill of rights thier is and
what is the bill of rights humm...
congress shall pass no law
ever hear that
what are goverment does now is fucking treason maybe kush 666 will go thier and do something but dont hold your breath
well the internet is the next target for illegal search and seizure of your papers effects and personal propertys
xlightwavex 2 years ago
Well since you have referred to illegal search and seizures, you can thank Bush for starting that; Patriot Act. (Isn't that a cute little name? We give up freedoms in the name of patriotism; A brilliant way to garner support for an illegal program). If you try to steal state from the US in the name of (whatever ever the heille kinda cause) you are a terrorist. We need to put you in Gauntanamo with the rest of those fools. Then either you REJECT citizenship or be TRIED for treason. PREIOD
KushKing99 2 years ago
I wish Texas could suceed. We don't want them. They produced the worst president ever and they have the DUMBEST GOVERNOR. Can you imagine the blood bath, if they ever tried something like that. The FEDS will never let Texas succeed, the federal guard will come in, the union will be restored and the Gov. will either be in jail or excuted treason and creating an f insurrection.
KushKing99 2 years ago
we CAN secceed and we WILL. Texas was its own country before and we want to be our own country again
and i beg to differ obama is the dumbest president he wants this country to be a communist nation and we wont be apart of it
edgehead31593 2 years ago
Obama is a rhodes scholar and former president of the Harvard Law Review. He has only been in office fore a little over 100 days. Then again, I am talking to a Bush drunkie/flunkie who thought that his mumbo/jumbo was brilliant! If Texas was to go back to its original culture and country. You would be part of Mexico. (Good luck with that). BOTTOM LINE; Texas is not seceding. No reputable gov. offical supports it including your gov. who started this mess. JUST GIVE IT UP!!!!
KushKing99 2 years ago
the united states does not own Texas
and when the united states dies we will allready be our own country watching america fall in to communism
edgehead31593 2 years ago 3
The United States reserves the right to preserve the union against threats from without and within. We have settled this issue before. The union will not be broken regardless of what your state "documents say" the executive branch, federal courts and the military trumps your "state documents."
KushKing99 2 years ago
then the united states are turning back on its greatest attribute freedom and rights
edgehead31593 2 years ago 2
I really don't agree with your assessment. I don't think that the US is turning its back on freedom and rights because it decides to guard itself against domestic terrorism and threats of secession.
KushKing99 2 years ago
its our right to secceed if america is truly the home of the free why is it were not allowed to seceed? why cant Texas become its own country? Think of those brave souls who fought and died in the Alamo so that Texas would be free of mexico and then to have us join america only a few years later is sickening.
sececcion is the american way thats how we became our own nation so if you call Texans terrorists for wanting to secceed youre calling america terrorists because they walked the same road
edgehead31593 2 years ago
You are very niave. There are very few nations that I am aware of "willingly" gave up territory or apart of itself. The bottom line comes to military. Texas is not as strong as the fed government. It would be a dangerous experiment for you, and you will loose AGAIN!!!!! It will never happen and Texas has to much of a growing Hispanic pop to ever support it. From what I have seen, mostly white repubs support this. It'll NEVER HAPPEN, PLUS you cannot get majority IN YOUR STATE to support it.
KushKing99 2 years ago
what are you talking about?
we want to secceed peacefully not through violence
and if the united states forbids us from secceeding despite it being Texas's right to seceed then Texas will most likly rebel and demand independance and if they still say no then it will show america we are not as free as most think we are and more states will join in the rebellion for indapendance
many states have thought of seceeding they will join Texas in a heart beat
Texas will become its own county again
edgehead31593 2 years ago
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Well, good luck with that!
KushKing99 2 years ago
Of course YOU speak for all Texans, right??
deadflo 2 years ago
no but im guessing you speak for all arrogant jerk offs
edgehead31593 2 years ago
Great comeback, so creative,for a complete twatflap as yourself. But again, what about the rest of the Texans, do you care what they think, or is it all about your extremist flakeazoid ideals?
deadflo 2 years ago
lol for my creative comeback i was makeing fun of youre creative comment :)
and i was giving my oppinions
i just hate arrogant retards like you
there are alot of different Texans
and the ones who think the way i do are looking at the big picture
when all those nations who hate america finally decide to invade there going after america not The Republic of Texas
and when the dollar collapses we will have our own currancy
when america collapses you will surffer
why should we
edgehead31593 2 years ago
Secession is not a threat to the Union and where in the D/I or Const. do you find that the US is even obligated to respond with force against such an action? Ah yes...the FEDERAL courts. How could I be so misinformed?
Fortunately, this is NOT how the country was intended to be by the framers. The bill of rights applied to the People and the States and were intended to trump the Feds, not the other way around. Sad that this knowledge is all but gone from our school books.
jtnoodle 2 years ago
no the constitution says that and i quote "all powers not deglegated to the union are reserved for the states or the people" u sir are entomed in the leftist progressive propaganda of the current administration and i feel terribly sorry 4 u
rtwismine 2 years ago
oKAY regardless of what leftest agenda I am on (you sound like Hannity lol), just try succeeding. Everything I have said to you will turn into prophecy. You cannot get the majority in Texas to support this and public sentiment is fickle, when all networks start reporting this you will loose more and more support. The national guard will call the bases in Texas and order will be resorted, millitary people involved in this will be court marshalled and civilians will be punished by the law.
KushKing99 2 years ago
However, you seem to think that you can win. GOOD LUCK!!! We are now living in a technological era of global interdependence (Global econ) Texas is a major player, but hell so is many cities in cali. (L.A., Sand Diago and etc). Texas is not the only state with a major econ GA and New York also have major econs. To be honest, the private sectors in Texas will not support such efforts b/c of how it can impact their business sites at home (texas) and in other states. You haven't thought this thru.
KushKing99 2 years ago
Do you honestly, think that the soldiers stationed in Texas are going to be so loyal to their state that they will not do their job if an order comes from the white house? (Very niave). What are you going to fight them with; broom sticks, riffles and shot guns? I am not sure if you can overcome an army with 6 tanks are coming at you. (If you are this disatisfied with the way America is going, you need to do what we have always done, take your argue to the voting box next election).
KushKing99 2 years ago
if u can produce any documents proving what u just said about obama(that isn't in a gov. website) id believe u till then i stand by the edgehed but n ur original culture and country comment u obviously arent from the great state(republic) of Texas r u would know that texas joined the Union not for Texas but for the Union and in our constitution (which is the constitution of the Republic of Texas) Texas reserved the right 2 become its own republic whenever it decides with a 3/4 majority of course
rtwismine 2 years ago
Of course the Feds wouldn't let Texas secede, even if that means breaking the treaty that officially states we're allowed to secede. We're one of their biggest cash cows, after all.
But if you're referring to Bush as the worst president, we didn't "produce" him, Connecticut did. Get your facts straight. And our "dumb" governor has managed to make Texas one of the least affected by the recession so far. You know, the same recession Obama and Congress are worsening with their crazy overspending.
fallenanjel 2 years ago
russia is by no means a powerhouse country anymore. if they tried to invade alaska they might lose.
thumperonsteroids 2 years ago
alaska could never survive..cuz russia woud barge in there and take it over..they want it back
sbjl08lord 2 years ago
i also thought palin was used to demolish mccains chances to win. they wanted a super popular president and the only way to do that was to make the other candidate look like bafoons. :)
just a theory. but it definately makes sense to me. hahaha
qweqqweqbt 2 years ago
I'm all for the States to leave the Union if they want.
godhelpusall3001 2 years ago
now 37 states ..... go to statesstand (d o t)ning (dot) c o m
NYredwhiteandblue 2 years ago
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stoneman1975 2 years ago
administration is trying so hard to save domestic auto manufacturers? one of our last remaining mechanized goods that we produce. if the US loses it's trading partners it will be a complete disaster. An entire nation of services ready to service who? nobody? and watch the prices of goods skyrocket when supply plummets and demand continues. you should look into economics my friend.
and if you're advocating a war, get real. look at my very first comment.
clutchcyle 2 years ago
"if the US loses it's trading partners it will be a complete disaster. An entire nation of services ready to service who? nobody?"
Except that the very same trading parnters have literally nobody else to sell their stuff to and would be equally ruined.
And no, I´m not advocating anything. All I say is that all this stuff about secession being a real option was buried together with the Confederate States of America.
Magni56 2 years ago
just because they aren't selling to the US doesn't mean they aren't selling to the rest of the world. globalization has come a long way and while the US has a huge consumer market that is very beneficial to these trading partners, their loss of consumers doesn't match the US's complete loss of economy in this case. and while we all hope secession died with the CSA, i still think it is necessary to have the option to overthrow a government that ignores deriving its power from the people.
clutchcyle 2 years ago
"just because they aren't selling to the US doesn't mean they aren't selling to the rest of the world."
Frankly, do you even have a real mpoint? That´s completely besides topic. I reiterate: Globalisation or no,. the economy of Texas is dependent on trade with the other states and the influx of federal money it receives and will collapse if suddenly severed from that cashflow.
Magni56 2 years ago
"globalization has come a long way and while the US has a huge consumer market that is very beneficial to these trading partners, their loss of consumers doesn't match the US's complete loss of economy in this case."
False. Seriously, jsut take China for an example. WIthout the trade surplus they get from the US, their entire economy would crash and burn spectacularly.
This loss of consumers means the complete breakdown of ALL economies in place to service them.
Magni56 2 years ago
okay i hate to repeat myself but here goes: TX sends more money to the Fed than it receives. therefore, if it secedes it doesn't need the Fed's money and would actually be better off. Texas is busy bailing out other states like California through the Fed who's economy is in the dumps. And frankly, its a hell of a point. it refutes your original claim that TX needs the US and that the US can create trade blockades. which is the original point of this vid. do some research. your ideas arent facts.
clutchcyle 2 years ago
"TX sends more money to the Fed than it receives."
And funnily, that figure does NOT include texan companies being directly paid by the federal government. It does NOT include the general economic boost provided by the presence of federal installations like army bases.
Your statement ALSO completely ignores the base reality that Texas´ economy is completely interwoven with the national economy and will do nothing but break down if severed from it.
Magni56 2 years ago
"And frankly, its a hell of a point"
No, it isn´t, you fucking moron. Go leanr some basic economics before spouting this blatant bullshit. The entire economy of Texas is utterly dependent on selling and buying from the rest of the country AND in case of a secession the federal govenrment can easily implement the exact same measures they did and still do against Cuba. Those very measures, by the way, pretty much ensure that Cuba will never be a 1st world country.
Magni56 2 years ago
"do some research. your ideas arent facts. "
My "ideas" are the economic reality as of right now. Texas´ economy cannot survive in any menaignful fashion without masssive trade with the other states. Even cutting that alone will turn Texas into a veritable 3rd world country. A Cuba-esque trade embargo, forcing other nations to chose between trading with Texas or the US (and nobody would be delusional enough to choose Texas) will only make that worse.
Magni56 2 years ago
i think you're the one who needs the economics classes because i've already done that. we've been over all of this many times and none of your "economic reality" is backed up by facts. fact: TX economy is 8th largest in the entire world. why is this? natural resources. why do countries trade? to obtain cheap or otherwise unattainable resources. Also, this interwoven idea: Texas is one of the few states with a solid economy. this helps the US as a whole and drains Texas. figure it out dipshit.
clutchcyle 2 years ago
The economy of Texas is integrated into the economy of the Unites States to such a degree that severing them will completely ruin Texas. Their resource producer lose their customers, their manufacturing loses their resource suppliers etc. And everything grounds to a halt.
Double that with the inevitable sanctions by the US government making sure that Texas will only get decent trade partners the day hell freezes over and the entire state collapses like a house of cards.
Magni56 2 years ago
ya no that would not happen
sbjl08lord 2 years ago
Care to give some proper reasoning or facts supporting this unfounded thesis?
Magni56 2 years ago
"Texas is one of the few states with a solid economy."
*facepalm* And they achieve that by trading with the other states.
"this helps the US as a whole and drains Texas."
And more ignorance of economics. Without customers and suppliers from the other states, Texas own economy ain´t worth shit. Trade *never* helps only one side, you fucking moron. It wouldn´t exist if it did and last time I checked, there is no law requiring texanian companies to trade with other states.
Magni56 2 years ago
Even better: Most big companies that are cornerstones of Texas´ economy are operating on a national level. And when faced with the choice of pulling all their assets out of Texas or the US, most will chose to pull out of Texas. That alone will cause a major market breakdown by itself.
Magni56 2 years ago
Free Texas!
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Texas has signed it's own death warrant by allowing such a massive influx of illegals. The only way Texas will secede is if the Mexican nationals (illegals) decide to take Texas back into Mexico along with Az, NM, Ca. I would love to see Texans find their gumption and stock up on gold then print currency backed by it. Also they could simply refuse to pay federal income tax as a state and not send a delegation to Washington...I would be tempted to move to Texas and join up.
manofreedom 2 years ago
And that´s the gist of it: should any single state seceed, the federal govenrment can put them under a trade blockade and watch said state completely implode to the point where they will beg to be taken into the Union again.
Magni56 2 years ago
It's funny you should say that because texas is self-sufficient and can operate as an isolationist country. They have all the natural resources they need. the US takes from Texas much more than Texas takes from the US and so far Texas is one of the only states who can operate without deficit spending.
clutchcyle 2 years ago
Hint: With a complete trade blockade and without federal funding for its infrastructure, Texas won´t be self-sufficient for long.
"the US takes from Texas much"
Yeah, your export ratio of douchebags is unsurpassed. Otherwise: Bull.
Hell, closing down the army bases alone will kill a sizeable portion of Texas´ economy.
Well, this is academic anyway as that moron Perry is already running back to the federal government, specifically CDC, because of the Swine Flu.
Magni56 2 years ago
wow go do some research and get your "facts" right. also if you were informed you would know that the swine flu is a mild form of generic seasonal flu. it's not a threat anymore.
and a trade blockade?? ahahah this isn't the dark ages anymore. ever heard of globalization? TX will just import/export/ and outsource from other countries who have cheaper goods and services in the first place
clutchcyle 2 years ago
"also if you were informed you would know that the swine flu is a mild form of generic seasonal flu"
Doesn´t change a single bit about the fact that Perry´s no crying to the ebil gubernment, or specifically CDC, to move their stocks of anti-flu medication closer to Texas in case he gets an epidemic into his backyard.
"and a trade blockade?? ahahah this isn't the dark ages anymore. ever heard of globalization?"
Cuba. ´Nuff said. If the US can do it to them, they can do it to Texas.
Magni56 2 years ago
"TX will just import/export/ and outsource from other countries who have cheaper goods and services in the first place "
And like with Cuba, all these countries will then face penalties when trading with the USA. And if given the choice between trading with Texas or the rest of the US, any country will choose the latter.
For that matter, the US could simply blockade Texas and nobody would be able or willing to do a shit about it. It´s not like Texas could do anything against the USN.
Magni56 2 years ago
you seem to forget that the US is already currently DEPENDENT upon OTHER countries for trade. ever heard of trade surpluses and trade deficits? the US imports far more than they export. the US needs the countries it trades with and will not say "we will not trade with you" because the US economy would be the loser there.
"for that matter, the US could simply blockade Texas"
are you serious? what a naval and air blockade? not probable. might as well declare war if that were to happen.
clutchcyle 2 years ago
"you seem to forget that the US is already currently DEPENDENT upon OTHER countries for trade."
The very same countries are even MORE dependent on said trade. The US economy can stomach loosing some of it´s trade partners. Said trade partners economies CAN´T stomach loosing the US.
"are you serious? what a naval and air blockade? not probable. might as well declare war if that were to happen."
So? I mean, it´s not like it didn´t already happen once.
Magni56 2 years ago
ok first off, let me set this straight. i'm not advocating that texas secede; i'm acknowledging it's ability to do so. with that said, when you mention "the very same countries are even more dependent on said trade..." this is clearly idealistic of you. i urge you to look into history (American Revolution for example) and find the troubles of trade deficits. a strong economy exports more than it imports. and now we are becoming service based as a nation. why do you think the Obama
clutchcyle 2 years ago
""the very same countries are even more dependent on said trade..." this is clearly idealistic of you."
No, it really isn´t. Save perhaps China and Canada, the US economy could stomach losing trade with almost any other partner nation. At the same time, most of these nations are almost utterly depndent on trade with the US and would experience a massive crash should it stop.
Magni56 2 years ago
ha good luck invading TX. they have the 8th largest economy alone and a ton of the US's military arsenal. not to mention a well armed public population. just sayin, it would be no cakewalk.
clutchcyle 2 years ago
"ha good luck invading TX. they have the 8th largest economy alone and a ton of the US's military arsenal"
Except that if they seceed, they will have to turn over ALL federal assets, including any military hardware. That, and the moment the rest of the US puts them under the same trade blockade as Cuba, this 8th largest economy in the world will implode into a 3rd world country in less than a year.
Magni56 2 years ago
Wake and Arm up ,smell the sinking
titanic US, heading us for hyperinflation
to come！Secession is BEST CURE for all
samchilat 2 years ago
If Texans want to secede, let them...who cares...no big loss.
gogrizzliesum 2 years ago
yea no big loss gogrizzliesum, just the 8th largest economy in the world. not like thats a big deal or anything. do your homework .
clutchcyle 2 years ago
USA "love it or leave it" I love my country. I don't need to do any homework in regards to that.
gogrizzliesum 2 years ago
not in regards to your own opinion, but in regards to the facts i would reconsider
clutchcyle 2 years ago
I live in Texas and I hope we don't secede. What kind of United States would it be without Texas??? No more oil..aye???? And I hate stereo types...just btw
fcdallasluvr18 2 years ago
I hate stereotypes too
gogrizzliesum 2 years ago
Let Texas try it, I say.
Go ahead, secceed; we'll either enforce Federal rule there and declare martial law in all of Texas and arrest all supporters of seccession on the grounds of high treason, or we will let you go, take out all federal assests and leave you with 1/50th of the federal debt and watch how you implode and not lift even a finger to help you, instead just putting a trade blockade on you like with Cuba.
I can´t wait for that state full of douchebags to try it.
Magni56 2 years ago
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LOL! It's GREAT watching the GOP fall apart & disintegrate into a HUGE pile of shit....just like their hypocritical platform of ideas & values. ~Scarah Failin
Can you Texans come up with an intelligent politician? Between your dumb-shit current governor, to humiliated Rep Delay, to the last president elect, it's hard to tell which is the BIGGEST dumb-shit!
mavrek47 2 years ago
were are you filming this, i dig the way your filming your vids now. keep doing it
jetsfan3161 2 years ago
ditto
popecorkyI 2 years ago
does Perry's suggestion come after he refused the $555 million stimulus money in march?
cbs11tv c o m/politics/perry.stimulus.rejected.2.957694.html
"Perry said the requirements attached to the federal stimulus money would require a change in the state's definition of unemployment. He said such an expansion would counteract the package's objective of job creation by leading companies to limit hiring and raise prices."
therealcaptobvious 2 years ago
You know, the more democrats smear the right on an issue the more I'm convinced that they're affected by it.
Texas can survive on their own and defend itself against a weakened liberal, America bashing, antiwar, antiimperialist United States. If this is what it takes to push for Consitutional Rights, then so be it.
therealcaptobvious 2 years ago 4
I would move to Alaska in a hart beat...Kodiak bear attacks is nothing compared to the federal government
unodepoalli 2 years ago 3
LOL ! You are so right.
23Revan84 2 years ago
ive been chased by a few bears up here , its not too fun, moose are actual more of a danger though
siamiam 2 years ago
Five Stars!!
MadBadVoodo 2 years ago
I agree, Alaska can secede much easier than Texas can, however Texas could probably survive on its own as a country.
bittergunowner12 2 years ago 4
Making a video response this claim, thank you crk
CrackrocKid 2 years ago
Huh?
bittergunowner12 2 years ago
Check my vid on Texas sustainability,crk
CrackrocKid 2 years ago
What about Ga and the other southern states? The Texas Republic or The New Confederate States of America? LOL, Secession is a bad idea. God Bless America; United we stand divided we fall!
Lingerfoot 2 years ago