Ya see, this is why sonic will fail. Instead of the fans being glad to have a good sonic platformer with no gimmicks, they whine and moan about how "the momentum is off" or "his eyes are green". seriously, the game was great and only cost 10.00!
Im pretty amazed with Sonic BTS. It is really the best sonic thing i have played since sonic & knuckles... i lost interest for sonic games until that when they became 3d and yadda yadda.
If you people like terrible games good for you, but I don't play terrible games so I will continue to complain when they take a good game and make it generic and lame, DIMPS SUCKS!!!
This IS imporant.The reason Sonic was famous back then was because he was fast,and to be fast in the Genesis games you had to use momentum and physics,instead of holding down a button.Sonic isn't fast because of speed boosters and springs,he's fast because of the momentum.You modern fans have no clue what you're talking about.
And classic fans have no idea what they're talking about either. The sonic series can't be made of Sonic 1 rehashes like you idiots beleive it should be.
@NUTCASE71733 I'm not asking for a Sonic 1 rehash,I hated Sonic 4 because of that and physics.I want something new that expands on why Sonic was famous.THE PHYSICS.That's what made him special.In order to be fast in the old games,you didn't have to just hold a button and watch the game play itself.You had to know the game and acknowledge how it played.The old games were famous for a reason,which Sega threw off the garbage with "new gameplay" that is not Sonic.
@Fractorification Dimps doesn't SUCK at making Sonic games, people are pretty anal about how they make the games though. I, for one, highly enjoyed Sonic Rush, even though Adventure and Generations seemed stale to me because of the Dimps formulaic way of making them.
your vidoe fails to validate itself. if there are statements but no video to back them up then they could be simply lies. im not calling you a liar but in the future when you do a comparison video actually compare the two things.
@Owwmykneecap sure there's nostalgia factor but without it it would still be a great game. sure, it has its faults, like some glitches here and there, overall shortness and a lot of filler. but it still is a great game, both styles of gameplay are great, the level design is very good, the soundtrack is excellent and the voice acting and dialogue have been improved a lot. it's not goty material, but it's certainly above "mediocre".
@martooxxx 77% Is still -mediocre- in my book. Most of the review sites that bumped it up that much have been known to be generous to Sonic games to begin with.
@HyperSonicXtreme I actually disagree. The 16 bit games (and maybe a few dreamcast ones) had an edge which is lost now. I couldn't find it in generations
The thing people seem to not think about is the most important question
Dispite a few differances to the original game, is Sonic 4 fun?
Yes, yes it is, so why moan about a few bugs?
Sonic 3 and Knuckles has more bugs than any other SOnic game and it's considered the best, seriously, small problems thatg don't effect your ability to play the game really shouldn't be considered a problem
@AutumnCrusader to be honest it really isn't that fun. Games like Sonic 3 have faults which lie in glitches that shouldn't be there wheras the problems in Sonic 4 were how the game was programmed, therefore all intentional and fixable. Not really fair to compare mistakes to the way a game was made tbh
Thats is obvious.. modern game are made with less money, more pubblicity and a lot of shit.. and the players still continue to play and buy them... old game are another history, they are THE HISTORY.
Seriously ? The fact that you dont jump higher on slopes means bad physics ? Try running up the slope in real life, and then jump at the top. Did you jump higher ?
@karry299 It's a game that's meant to be like the older ones. if the old sonic games have physics that let you jump higher of slopes, that's what sonic the headgehog 4 was supposed to be like.
Can you sink to the bottom of a body of water and walk?
Can you run around a loop?
point is, it's a game. not a real life physics simulator
maybe after Sonic Generations they could use Classic Sonic's model in Sonic 4
rather than Modern Sonic because the stages in Sonic 4 are reminiscent to the Genesis stages and Modern Sonic seems so big, heavy, and slow when he runs.
So instead next time they should use Classic Sonic's model
@kirbyfan1005 Uh, since Classic Sonic is now the Sonic of the past, and Sonic 4 takes place right after Sonic 3, it'd only be logical to use Classic Sonic.
Now, I'm not saying those are bad games, but times change and video games shall change too I don't see how every modern Sonic game is bad (Except Sonic 06.) I mean really what's so bad about them? You people just want to find the slightest mistake to rant about.
And then 50% want Sonic to be exactly like the Adventure series, see this is why we Sonic fans are accused of being bumbling idiots, because people choose to act retarded like Christian Weston Chandler and etc. And fans want Sonic games to never change they feel as if he should've stayed just like Sonic 1-3 or Sonic Adventure.
This is why SEGA always has bad games, because there's one person who finds something bad about it, and starts a huge problem and people follow, 50% Sonic fans don't want Sonic too change, that's why Sonic Generations is coming out now (I realize you made this video before it was announced!) So you guys will shut up.
Damn, gotta hate the people hating on sonic 4 for "not being the same"
Please, fantards, please, you guys single handedly made every sane person in the fanbase ashamed to admit they're sonic fans... Go back to playing your fucking layout hacks of sonic 1, or even better: GROW THE FUCK UP!
But the nitpicky "fanbase" claims it's "the worst game ever" ¬¬
And still, it's no REAL criticism, i've seen those guys bitch about virtually EVERYTHING, while the "physics" bandwagoners are making a big deal out of a small flaw, they complain about shit like green eyes, homing attacks, etc.
Not to mention they were ALREADY BITCHING when the fucking TEASER came out, and that had like 5 seconds of gameplay...
Dude, don't confuse the ppl criticising the gameplay & physics with the ppl who complain about eye-colour & homing attacks (personally don't like homing attacks but it's no biggie).....
& TBH the physics are a big deal......2d sonic games are fundamentally based on it's physics......messing that up is just criminal...
The problem is the Sonic series in the hands of a bunch of scrubs who don't actually understand what made the original games good, a strong attention to detail and flow and most importantly, physics. Nowadays the schlubs at Sega thing as long as you slap something blue and speedy on the screen you've made a Sonic game. It's that lack of polish that makes the newer games suck, 3-d has nothing to do with it.
This is a goddamn platformer and physics is wat makes or breaks a game.
All that nostalgia and Sonic fanboy-stuff aside, I can't even fathom why they did not even have the slightest form momentum in Sonic 4. I'm not expecting a Sonic 2, 3 from this game, I'm expecting the game to be even more refined and improved upon than what was done decades ago. It isn't. You don't even have to take my word for it. Read reviews, they all iterate what I said.
OHHH NOOO I HAVE TO HOLD FORWARD TO JUMP FORWARD :'(.... Seriously there are always people bitching about games even though it was fine. Yes I think it needs work on but not in the aspects you think. As I said in my comment before the physics system is not the problem since the physics system in every sonic game is incorrect to begin with ita just to short but obviously thats so they can make "episode 2 - whatever" for more money.
well obviously it's not a by-the-book, 100% pinball simulation.....but the physics of sonic, especially when he curls up into a ball, is definitely based on pinball.....
@supahdupahguy81 That's not my point. But you just agrred with my point I am saying that people don't know shit about physics so how can you say something is wrong without knowing what your talking about?
if you were to start running at full tilt, then jump up in the air, would your forward momentum completely stop? bcoz that's what happens in this game...
Noone's saying it has to resemble a defined scientific model of classical mechanics, but it should at least TRY to make some sense or at least be consistent with the games it's claiming to be sequel of..
@supahdupahguy81 Once again you started to agree with me then must of realised and though oh shit. It's obviously a sequel stop living in the past and grow up everything changes what do you want them to go back to 16 bit or 8 bit? Sonic 4 is great it's just people like you cannot let go of the past.
what exactly is your point apart from all sonic's physics are incorrect? coz that's not really a proper point...
It's not about "living in the past" it's about the game engine IN A SEQUEL being INFERIOR in it's applied action to it's TWENTY YEAR OLD predecessors.....that's a problem in my eyes i dunno about yours..
You're trying to tell me that Sonic 4 EP 1 Sucks because physics!? I Don't give a damn on physics! Or anyone else does!
Sure you wouldn't complain if was black ops! I wouldn't play black ops if it was the last game in the world I hate it that bad! Also Keep in Mind: SEGA Actually CONTINUES There Main Series! Mario does platforming to some RPG! You Sonic haters need to freakin' lay off the damn mushrooms and Look at how Sonic is still STRONG and GOING! from 6 years of bad games untill Colors
I tried the sonic demo...and I gotta say...wth man? If Sonic 1 is better in physics than it's counterpart 17 years later...they messed up. Seems like Sonic 4 was a quick cash in but at least a step in the right direction.
If you're going to do a hommage to the original games, at least do it right!
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"A quick demonstration of momentum physics and classic game design in action, and why sonic 4 fails at being the promised classic title it claims to be."
Oh look another idiot who thinks "Old school" = "The same fucking game from the 90s". Stupid Sonic fanfucks.
@CorvidDude Oh look, another idiot who think those are problems because the physics aren`t the same the physics works fine they are great they don`t need to be the same! *cough*idiot*cough*
@DinerSals Sorry, but it's true. I don't need to play Sonic 1 to say that the physics in Sonic 4 are unintuitive, buggy and not even making sense at times.
@DinerSals Wow, I can't believe I didn't respond to that.
Well anyways, I'm gonna respond to everything in this convo :
First, yes, if I could get Sonic 4, I would expect it to have classic controls.
Second, having broken physics is not excusable by the fact that it's not the same gameplay as the Sonic from the 90s. Actually, there's really a problem if a gameplay from a game that came out in 1991 beats by far a gameplay based from it from a game of 2011. That's called a regression.
@DinerSals When I was talking "controls", I was really talking about controlling the Sonic. He takes about 5 fucking seconds to go to full speed.
And yeah, the controls were really better in the first Sonic game. I actually gave some points to answer that : you're just insulting people because they don't like Sonic 4.
@DinerSals What if he has the spin dash ? He still takes 5 seconds to go to full speed. In Sonic 1, there was no spin dash, nor Homing Attack : how would you do ? Exactly. The controls in Sonic 4 are meaningless when you have the Homing Attack : but take that away and it becomes shit. You HAVE to use the homing attack.
Also, why "no real argument" ? I would maybe find it myself in my comments, but since you say that, you tell me. I made some points here.
@kefkasakura Also, the argument for nostalgia doesn't work : I'm 14 and I started playing Sonic 1 at 2007 or something, and it didn't made my life. But then again say you don't care, I'm fine with that.
To finish, I really had some respect for you. I comprehend your point, that Sonic 4 wasn't "the same fucking game from the 90s". But then, why is it called Sonic 4 ? A new 2d Sonic should have the same controls, with minor gameplay changes, and new levels. That's what Sonic truly is for me.
@DinerSals First : I was talking about NOT actually using the spindash. He'll take 5 seconds to go to full speed. Again, go to Sonic 1. What if it had Sonic 4 controls ?
Second : You have to use the homing attack because if you don't, controlling Sonic will be really hard. That's what I said.
@DinerSals For Sonic CD, I wasn't talking about gameplay, but CONTROLS. When will you understand what's the difference ?
And yes, without the homing attack, Sonic doesn't control really good. That's why there's so much videos about the physics in this game, because they defy common sense and the actual laws of physics.
"they defy common sense and the actual laws of physics."
Oh child, you sicken me.
Here's your fucking logic: "A game where an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog fights a fat scientist and goes into space with foxes, echidnas and others have to follow THE LAWS OF FUCKING PHYSICS!"
There's so much videos about the physics in this game, because it is a regression compared to the first game in the series.
And that is a fact : there's so much things that Sonic 1 can handle compared to Sonic 4, like the fact that rolling like a ball actually was useful to gain speed, and also the fact that walking up a vertical surface was impossible without having the necessary speed.
@kefkasakura In Sonic 4, you could litteraly walk up vertical surfaces at any speed, WITHOUT EVEN SLOWING DOWN. I'm not even exaggerating, walking up vertical surfaces in Sonic 4 is exactly the same as walking on the floor. Look at "Sonic 4 Physics Suck" from DamnLagcom, you'll see what I mean.
Now, knowing that, you cannot defend a game from 2010 in which the physics are outdated compared to Sonic 1, released in 1991. Physics may not be the most important factor, but this is still ridiculous.
Who the fuck cares, Sonic 1-Knuckles were littered with game crashing glitches and poor design (MOTHERFUCKING BARREL OF DOOM) but no one BITCHES about THAT.
@DinerSals You're kidding me, right ? Every one knows that the barrel of doom is just a dumb puzzle, but that's the only problem about design I can think of when playing this game.
The reason we care about the physics problem is because unlike the game crashing glitches, you don't have to make something complicated to trigger them, and it concerns the whole game, from start to finish. It just doesn't match any common sense we have when we want to play a classic Sonic game.
@DinerSals You don't have to look for it, it just immediately comes to mind when playing the game. Ever heard of Hooper, the french reviewer ? Go watch his direct live of Sonic 4, and see what I mean.
The physics and controls just aren't the same as Sonic, and not for the good.
@DinerSals Have you watched the video ? I'm french, I know what I'm talking about when talking about french reviewers.
Physics are barely in-game, and that's the problem. The gameplay and controls are completely different compared to Sonic 1, 2 and 3, and yet this game is supposed to be called Sonic 4.
A sequel is supposed to be the same gameplay with new levels, like we see in almost every sequel ever. Here, it's a different gameplay but with almost the same levels.
@DinerSals you're totally right, these stupid fags haven't argument, they just call you oldskool fag and they can't admit that Sonic 4 is a fail. I added you as a friend ;)
@DinerSals Have you even played sonic 4. The physics suck! You don't even keep momentum when you jump! Meanwhile, in the old school games which sonic 4 is based off of, the physics are perfect.
Oh, look, another dumb ass who says "Sonic 4 sucks because it's not exactly like the fucking Genesis". Get the fuck outta here, you pathetic nostalgia idiots.
@DinerSals The games physics are crap. That's just it. Some people just put up with it.
I will also say that I've played the game myself, and enjoyed the classic ones a considerable amount more.
Your just another dumbass new gen sonic fanboy. I'm just saying that the physics aren't very great at all, especially compared to the physics of the 20 year old game this game is based on.
lol I love it when no life dumb asses like you go "OH WELL U R NEW GEN FANOI" as if that's either truth or an insult. Bitch I got Sonic Colors and Generations. Enough fucking said.
And the more you compare the physics to a game that no one should compare this to, the more pathetic, blind, and fucking idiotic you are.
First of all, you don't need to constantly swear in your comments. It makes you look like an immature loser
Second, I call you a "next gen fanboy" because your defending the crappy physics and hate on the old games that were truthfully way better than the next gen games.
third, did you just say that no one should compare sonic 4 to the first four games that this is a sequel to?!
The physics SHOULD be similar to the ones it's based off of, and better.
@DinerSals You are indeed hating on the old games. Read your coments.
And SEGA did say they were trying to go "back to the classics". Sonic 4 (A.K.A. Sonic the hedgehog 4) is a direct sequel to sonic the hedgehog 3, a genesis game. It's SUPPOSED to be close to the genesis counterparts.
Hey dumb ass, here's what I said about the old games.
"You're just another dumb ass who thinks everything that isn't the same fucking game from 1991 is "unplayable"."
And "And the more you compare the physics to a game that no one should compare this to, the more pathetic, blind, and fucking idiotic you are."
"Sonic 4 (A.K.A. Sonic the hedgehog 4) is a direct sequel to sonic the hedgehog 3, a genesis game. It's SUPPOSED to be close to the genesis counterparts."
I certainly don't. It was fun while it lasted but times have moved on.
That said, Sonic 4 fails at basic sonic physics that EVERY Sonic game should have, I'm talking the basic mechanics of Sonic's momentum! For example, when you jump, your acceleration is cancelled out. Meaning that you can't go full speed and jump at the same time.
Your point about not clinging to old games is all well and good, but this game is simply terrible.
@DinerSals I didn't say anything about Sonic 3 physics. I meant basic physics like momentum and inertia. You're the one who keeps bringing up old sonic games.
As for the full speed and jump thing, uh, no, you need to hold a direction in mid-air or all of your momentum is suddenly gone, that really isn't how jumping should ever work for ANY platformer, let alone sonic.
try running full speed in any sonic game other than this one, then jumping and letting go of the jump button. And by any other game, I mean literally any other. Sonic Rush, Sonic Adventure, not just the old ones.
Then go do it in THIS game and you will see the problem.
@DinerSals Calm down and google the actual meaning of that word before you throw it around.
Where was I...
Right. That thing that you don't have to do, I mean sure technically you don't, but anyone who has played any sonic game (not any OLD sonic game mind you, just any sonic game) will probably do it instinctively at some point because they expect Sonic to actually have some form of coherent inertia.
@DinerSals I feel like I'm just going to repeat myself if I explain what is wrong with what you just said.
My last post was an attempt to end the argument because I have laid out as much logic as I can but you still refuse to listen to any of it, and I don't appreciate it when someone screams at me instead of actually providing a logical argument.
In other words I am sick of talking to you and am going to ignore you now.
1)I keep saying, Sonic 4 was supposed to be very close to the Genesis games. SEGA said it themselves. And if they didn't care about retro gamers, why the hell would they make this?
2)I wouldn't "Bitch like an ass" if the sonic games SEGA has been putting out weren't so crap. I will admit that they are improving a lot, but Sonic 4 in particular wasn't terribly great.
3)I know plenty of people that are fans of the next gen sonic games that are way more whiny then me.
Sorry I can't be pleased by the crap games sega is shoving out of their ass these days. We all know they can do better, but everything sega has been putting out is just milking sonic for money. When they can't even match the quality of the physics of a 16bit game made in 1991, you know that Sega is dieing.
I should also ask, have you played the classic sonic games before. They're a lot higher quality then the new sonic 4.
@CrappingRainbows Sonic 06 is a wonderful game despite it's problems and should just be played for fun, Sonic and the Black Knight is pretty fun as well and it's no big deal if Sonic has a sword in one game or not, Sonic X is a very awesome anime that is linked within the continuity of the games as it was made by Sonic Team themselves. Sonic is characterized much better now then he was in the Genesis games.
@CrappingRainbows I don't think that there is a Mario conspiracy going on you think that there is a Sonic conspiracy going on since you hate a game that is nearly the same as the Genesis ones that you overly praise. Sonic seldom has crap titles either, the only bad Sonic games are the game gear games, Sonic 3d Blast, and Sonic and the Secret Rings. All of the other games are either awesome or good. Sonic Team has always and will always care about how their mascot looks.
I think the main thing about the physics of sonic 4 is based on the homing attack.
i think that was the key factor of adding that in on Sonic 4. that is what screwed up the physics of the game. sonic has to lose his horizontal momentom after doing the homing attack. and might have been difficult to do that while.
but the physics enhance strategy and pro game play
@CrappingRainbows No it doesn't. Those are all pointless nitpicks that can be solved by simply pushing foward on the control stick and not letting go. If you do that then it plays exactly like the Genesis games and is just as fun as the Genesis games.
If a truly great game is made, do people still argue about whether it sucks or not more than six months after its release? Hmm. Also, sonic 4 doesn't have "different" physics, it has incorrect physics--I know, I'm a physics major. Doesn't mean you can't get tons of fun out of it, but it also means you can't blame the people who don't. Admitting it has poor mechanics doesn't mean you have to dislike it--reasons for liking stuff don't need to make sense, it's opinion. Bad physics is a fact.
@CrappingRainbows Well of course Im a virgin, Im 13. And just cause Im not as sad and pathetic as you docent mean I've "Never had a girlfriend" And let me ask you, what ages is the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise geared toward? Certainly not 20-40 year olds, and since you play it, that makes you pretty sad. And since my profile is a "Big Joke", why do I have more Subscribers than you even though my profile is younger? Your profile is a joke.
Not alot of ppl seem to get that its the physics that make sonic so fun in sonic 4 the game felt stiff i mean hes fast thats why hes called sonic why stop him and when he passes a ramp he uncurles and you get hit the game is very frustrating they rly messed up all it needs is the physics and curling into a ball when he passes a ramp thats it and they managed to screw that up
Ya see, this is why sonic will fail. Instead of the fans being glad to have a good sonic platformer with no gimmicks, they whine and moan about how "the momentum is off" or "his eyes are green". seriously, the game was great and only cost 10.00!
digimonFTW22456 1 week ago
Im pretty amazed with Sonic BTS. It is really the best sonic thing i have played since sonic & knuckles... i lost interest for sonic games until that when they became 3d and yadda yadda.
ZycaLaser 3 weeks ago
Dimps, you used to be cool at making sonic games. What happen to you?
Shadownnico 3 weeks ago
If you people like terrible games good for you, but I don't play terrible games so I will continue to complain when they take a good game and make it generic and lame, DIMPS SUCKS!!!
khayal101 3 weeks ago
This IS imporant.The reason Sonic was famous back then was because he was fast,and to be fast in the Genesis games you had to use momentum and physics,instead of holding down a button.Sonic isn't fast because of speed boosters and springs,he's fast because of the momentum.You modern fans have no clue what you're talking about.
SuperAwesomeTiago 1 month ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago
And classic fans have no idea what they're talking about either. The sonic series can't be made of Sonic 1 rehashes like you idiots beleive it should be.
NUTCASE71733 1 week ago
@NUTCASE71733 I'm not asking for a Sonic 1 rehash,I hated Sonic 4 because of that and physics.I want something new that expands on why Sonic was famous.THE PHYSICS.That's what made him special.In order to be fast in the old games,you didn't have to just hold a button and watch the game play itself.You had to know the game and acknowledge how it played.The old games were famous for a reason,which Sega threw off the garbage with "new gameplay" that is not Sonic.
SuperAwesomeTiago 1 week ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago Agreed.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
This is so laughably anal.
LiamRproductions 1 month ago
Your right, Dimps suck at making sonic Games!! I might as well go play sonic generations 3ds and rant how they did wrong
*plays game*
Wait, what? You lied to me!!
Fractorification 1 month ago
@Fractorification Dimps doesn't SUCK at making Sonic games, people are pretty anal about how they make the games though. I, for one, highly enjoyed Sonic Rush, even though Adventure and Generations seemed stale to me because of the Dimps formulaic way of making them.
But that's just an opinion, no big deal :)
glovestrong48 1 month ago
your vidoe fails to validate itself. if there are statements but no video to back them up then they could be simply lies. im not calling you a liar but in the future when you do a comparison video actually compare the two things.
magicaltechnodragon 2 months ago
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"500 years ago? You must be a fetus"
Or an immature left-winger.
sonicfeet 3 months ago
that doesn't look like sonic 4. That's the original sonic game.
Superawesomevids549 3 months ago
It's not really the physics that annoy me its his animations and sound effects(in 4), I don't know why, they just annoy the hell out of me.
RidleySmash 3 months ago
this video just made me realize how much i want to play sonic lol xD
MrFavio3000 3 months ago
Stop bitching and play Sonic Generations.
HyperSonicXtreme 3 months ago 27
@HyperSonicXtreme a mediocre at best fan service game. released a a year after the guy made the vid...
Owwmykneecap 3 months ago
@Owwmykneecap mediocre at best? please explain yourself.
martooxxx 3 months ago
@martooxxx
I've played sonic 1- 3&K. Sonic Team clearly have no idea what made these games good, generations relies on nostalgia to win people over.
Owwmykneecap 3 months ago
@Owwmykneecap sure there's nostalgia factor but without it it would still be a great game. sure, it has its faults, like some glitches here and there, overall shortness and a lot of filler. but it still is a great game, both styles of gameplay are great, the level design is very good, the soundtrack is excellent and the voice acting and dialogue have been improved a lot. it's not goty material, but it's certainly above "mediocre".
martooxxx 3 months ago
@martooxxx Mediocre is a justified term, especially with the incredibly mixed reviews it got.
Eyeolus 2 months ago
@Eyeolus 77% score at metacritic. Thats not "mediocre" as far as i know.
ps: if you dont consider metacritic a reliable source, name yours...
martooxxx 2 months ago
@martooxxx 77% Is still -mediocre- in my book. Most of the review sites that bumped it up that much have been known to be generous to Sonic games to begin with.
Eyeolus 2 months ago
@Eyeolus whatever...
martooxxx 2 months ago
@HyperSonicXtreme I actually disagree. The 16 bit games (and maybe a few dreamcast ones) had an edge which is lost now. I couldn't find it in generations
abckookooman 2 months ago
@HyperSonicXtreme Yeah because Sonic Generations (especially the 3DS version) doesn't have problems of it's own.
theGMANtheBOSS 2 weeks ago
@HyperSonicXtreme
Sonic 4 episode 2 is on the way. CorvidDude still has reason to worry.
dejablue88 2 days ago
The thing people seem to not think about is the most important question
Dispite a few differances to the original game, is Sonic 4 fun?
Yes, yes it is, so why moan about a few bugs?
Sonic 3 and Knuckles has more bugs than any other SOnic game and it's considered the best, seriously, small problems thatg don't effect your ability to play the game really shouldn't be considered a problem
AutumnCrusader 4 months ago
@AutumnCrusader to be honest it really isn't that fun. Games like Sonic 3 have faults which lie in glitches that shouldn't be there wheras the problems in Sonic 4 were how the game was programmed, therefore all intentional and fixable. Not really fair to compare mistakes to the way a game was made tbh
RayAndFlare 3 months ago
you suck
123liamp 4 months ago
Thats is obvious.. modern game are made with less money, more pubblicity and a lot of shit.. and the players still continue to play and buy them... old game are another history, they are THE HISTORY.
hivemind99999 4 months ago
@hivemind99999 colors was great
Scarredgraymouse 4 months ago
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cosmictruffle 4 months ago
Seriously ? The fact that you dont jump higher on slopes means bad physics ? Try running up the slope in real life, and then jump at the top. Did you jump higher ?
karry299 5 months ago
@karry299 It's a game that's meant to be like the older ones. if the old sonic games have physics that let you jump higher of slopes, that's what sonic the headgehog 4 was supposed to be like.
Can you sink to the bottom of a body of water and walk?
Can you run around a loop?
point is, it's a game. not a real life physics simulator
frozenmetroid27027 5 months ago
@karry299 if your not a ball yes it duse not work that way
pacjac03 4 months ago
maybe after Sonic Generations they could use Classic Sonic's model in Sonic 4
rather than Modern Sonic because the stages in Sonic 4 are reminiscent to the Genesis stages and Modern Sonic seems so big, heavy, and slow when he runs.
So instead next time they should use Classic Sonic's model
kirbyfan1005 5 months ago
@kirbyfan1005 Uh, since Classic Sonic is now the Sonic of the past, and Sonic 4 takes place right after Sonic 3, it'd only be logical to use Classic Sonic.
CannyTails 3 months ago 12
yep :D
kirbyfan1005 3 months ago
@CannyTails yup but sega threw the story out of whack now
XxAngiexXRPI 2 months ago
and sonic 4 is a bad game!
S3Kglitches 5 months ago
lol sonic 1 IS designed for quick runs!!
S3Kglitches 5 months ago
Time to bust out my MegaDrive!
KikiDaiso 6 months ago
Sonic 4 is a bad game, but it is NOT Sonic 1!
saturnurameshi 6 months ago
57 people are sad sad sega bots.
JCVDbaby 6 months ago
@JCVDbaby
Dimps bots*
bbopisback 6 months ago
it's called sonic 4 episode 1 there going to improve it in episode 2 clam down everybody
Darkmario82 6 months ago
@Darkmario82 ...or Generations.
CannyTails 6 months ago
@Darkmario82 SEGA said EP 2 is gonna be better? They also said Sonic 4 is going to be true to the classics. Look what happened.
Drunksonic 6 months ago
trollolololololololololololololollolol.ol.lo.lo.o.lo.l.
sora543 6 months ago
Even sonic 1 had its flaws, watch my video and stop being a bunch of 40 year old fan boys -.-''
Nedlemousegeneration 7 months ago
Dimps...
AnimeC0NAN 7 months ago
Now, I'm not saying those are bad games, but times change and video games shall change too I don't see how every modern Sonic game is bad (Except Sonic 06.) I mean really what's so bad about them? You people just want to find the slightest mistake to rant about.
streakization 7 months ago
And then 50% want Sonic to be exactly like the Adventure series, see this is why we Sonic fans are accused of being bumbling idiots, because people choose to act retarded like Christian Weston Chandler and etc. And fans want Sonic games to never change they feel as if he should've stayed just like Sonic 1-3 or Sonic Adventure.
streakization 7 months ago
This is why SEGA always has bad games, because there's one person who finds something bad about it, and starts a huge problem and people follow, 50% Sonic fans don't want Sonic too change, that's why Sonic Generations is coming out now (I realize you made this video before it was announced!) So you guys will shut up.
streakization 7 months ago
Honestly I would prefer them to use this engine and just have new levels then port it to ps3
plus154 7 months ago
Honestly the Sonic 1 physics are awful. I often fall into the scenery for no reason.
The control was great, it was fully functional and gave you an ability to actually stop; something I've been yearning for years to happen.
And bad level design? You gotta be kidding me. Do you call Sonic 1's level design interesting anymore?
Dragoonknight717 7 months ago
Damn, gotta hate the people hating on sonic 4 for "not being the same"
Please, fantards, please, you guys single handedly made every sane person in the fanbase ashamed to admit they're sonic fans... Go back to playing your fucking layout hacks of sonic 1, or even better: GROW THE FUCK UP!
Terryracoon 7 months ago
@Terryracoon
Sonic must be the only franchise i know of where the word fanboy or fantard means the exact opposite to what it means everywhere else..
ppl who offer valid criticisms of a game are "fantards", & the ppl who like every sonic product put out by Sega, regardless of quality, are not??
cannot be life.
supahdupahguy81 7 months ago
@supahdupahguy81
Is sonic 4 perfect? OF COURSE NOT!
But the nitpicky "fanbase" claims it's "the worst game ever" ¬¬
And still, it's no REAL criticism, i've seen those guys bitch about virtually EVERYTHING, while the "physics" bandwagoners are making a big deal out of a small flaw, they complain about shit like green eyes, homing attacks, etc.
Not to mention they were ALREADY BITCHING when the fucking TEASER came out, and that had like 5 seconds of gameplay...
Terryracoon 7 months ago
@Terryracoon
Dude, don't confuse the ppl criticising the gameplay & physics with the ppl who complain about eye-colour & homing attacks (personally don't like homing attacks but it's no biggie).....
& TBH the physics are a big deal......2d sonic games are fundamentally based on it's physics......messing that up is just criminal...
supahdupahguy81 7 months ago
@supahdupahguy81 Yet the "physics! oigheroighoasnfoas!" guys were at it SINCE THE FIRST TEASER TRAILER WITH 5 Secs OF GAMEPLAY!
Terryracoon 7 months ago
The problem is the Sonic series in the hands of a bunch of scrubs who don't actually understand what made the original games good, a strong attention to detail and flow and most importantly, physics. Nowadays the schlubs at Sega thing as long as you slap something blue and speedy on the screen you've made a Sonic game. It's that lack of polish that makes the newer games suck, 3-d has nothing to do with it.
bloodyinkpen 8 months ago
Noobs talking about physics?
This is a goddamn platformer and physics is wat makes or breaks a game.
All that nostalgia and Sonic fanboy-stuff aside, I can't even fathom why they did not even have the slightest form momentum in Sonic 4. I'm not expecting a Sonic 2, 3 from this game, I'm expecting the game to be even more refined and improved upon than what was done decades ago. It isn't. You don't even have to take my word for it. Read reviews, they all iterate what I said.
ZantetsukenGilgamesh 8 months ago
OHHH NOOO I HAVE TO HOLD FORWARD TO JUMP FORWARD :'(.... Seriously there are always people bitching about games even though it was fine. Yes I think it needs work on but not in the aspects you think. As I said in my comment before the physics system is not the problem since the physics system in every sonic game is incorrect to begin with ita just to short but obviously thats so they can make "episode 2 - whatever" for more money.
Bundyrumowns 8 months ago
Dumbass if you knew anything about physics in the first place you would understand that all sonic game physics are incorrect so stop bitching.
Bundyrumowns 8 months ago
@Bundyrumowns
Sonic game physics are based on pinball...
Are you saying pinball is incorrect?
supahdupahguy81 8 months ago
@supahdupahguy81 The sonic pinball is incorrect my friend
Bundyrumowns 8 months ago
@Bundyrumowns
well obviously it's not a by-the-book, 100% pinball simulation.....but the physics of sonic, especially when he curls up into a ball, is definitely based on pinball.....
supahdupahguy81 8 months ago
@supahdupahguy81 That's not my point. But you just agrred with my point I am saying that people don't know shit about physics so how can you say something is wrong without knowing what your talking about?
Bundyrumowns 8 months ago
@Bundyrumowns
Bcoz it IS wrong..
if you were to start running at full tilt, then jump up in the air, would your forward momentum completely stop? bcoz that's what happens in this game...
Noone's saying it has to resemble a defined scientific model of classical mechanics, but it should at least TRY to make some sense or at least be consistent with the games it's claiming to be sequel of..
supahdupahguy81 8 months ago
@supahdupahguy81 Once again you started to agree with me then must of realised and though oh shit. It's obviously a sequel stop living in the past and grow up everything changes what do you want them to go back to 16 bit or 8 bit? Sonic 4 is great it's just people like you cannot let go of the past.
Bundyrumowns 8 months ago
@Bundyrumowns
Started to agree with you?
what exactly is your point apart from all sonic's physics are incorrect? coz that's not really a proper point...
It's not about "living in the past" it's about the game engine IN A SEQUEL being INFERIOR in it's applied action to it's TWENTY YEAR OLD predecessors.....that's a problem in my eyes i dunno about yours..
supahdupahguy81 8 months ago
In biology, hedgehogs are not blue as well.
TheDeadLike 8 months ago
stupid very stupid
klok11 9 months ago
stupid
klok11 9 months ago
You missed the BIG set of rings.
dbn300100 9 months ago
I don't know what's worse, arguing over youtube or arguing over sonic games.
Baximus 9 months ago
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Agell 9 months ago
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Agell 9 months ago
This was actually a really good analysis. It doesn't just state, it shows exactly what needs to be improved for Sonic 4 ep 2.
Ryan92Ex 9 months ago
Sonic Generations Classic Gameplay, level design, camera, graphics are even better than in Sonic 1 - Knuckles
Emmi300 9 months ago
I wish i had this amount of time on my hands...
reniisgod 9 months ago
You're trying to tell me that Sonic 4 EP 1 Sucks because physics!? I Don't give a damn on physics! Or anyone else does!
Sure you wouldn't complain if was black ops! I wouldn't play black ops if it was the last game in the world I hate it that bad! Also Keep in Mind: SEGA Actually CONTINUES There Main Series! Mario does platforming to some RPG! You Sonic haters need to freakin' lay off the damn mushrooms and Look at how Sonic is still STRONG and GOING! from 6 years of bad games untill Colors
Darkmegamanx739 9 months ago
In sonic 4 u can walk up walls... Wtf
Jogita6 9 months ago
You're just nitpicking
Gefnir 9 months ago
I tried the sonic demo...and I gotta say...wth man? If Sonic 1 is better in physics than it's counterpart 17 years later...they messed up. Seems like Sonic 4 was a quick cash in but at least a step in the right direction.
If you're going to do a hommage to the original games, at least do it right!
ZantetsukenGilgamesh 10 months ago 12
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"A quick demonstration of momentum physics and classic game design in action, and why sonic 4 fails at being the promised classic title it claims to be."
Oh look another idiot who thinks "Old school" = "The same fucking game from the 90s". Stupid Sonic fanfucks.
DinerSals 10 months ago
@DinerSals
Oh look, another idiot who thinks games don't need refinement or polish.
CorvidDude 10 months ago 35
@CorvidDude:
Because, like REMAKING THE SAME FUCKING GAME is "polish". Dumb bitch.
DinerSals 10 months ago
@CorvidDude Thats because they dont need refinement. Sonic 3k, tons of bugs that aren't debug. sonic 4, bug-less. Look, games need bugs.
dbn300100 9 months ago
@CorvidDude I think this game is just fine. Liked it more than s3&k, actully.
sonick123456 9 months ago
@CorvidDude Oh look, another idiot who think those are problems because the physics aren`t the same the physics works fine they are great they don`t need to be the same! *cough*idiot*cough*
DemiSupporter992 7 months ago
@DinerSals Sorry, but it's true. I don't need to play Sonic 1 to say that the physics in Sonic 4 are unintuitive, buggy and not even making sense at times.
kefkasakura 9 months ago
@kefkasakura:
Sure, kid.
Oh, wait, you don't think that, you just want to jerk to more old school.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals I can't care less about Sonic 4. I have the Wii, sure, but if I wanted to play the game, I would've bought it already.
I see videos of this game, and let me tell you that the physics are indeed broken.
kefkasakura 9 months ago
@kefkasakura:
lol no. You're just a giant tool if you think you can get everything from a game from a fucking video.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals Like bad physics are "EVERYTHING". Lol.
kefkasakura 9 months ago
@kefkasakura:
You're just getting more fucking pathetic each time you comment.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals Wow, I can't believe I didn't respond to that.
Well anyways, I'm gonna respond to everything in this convo :
First, yes, if I could get Sonic 4, I would expect it to have classic controls.
Second, having broken physics is not excusable by the fact that it's not the same gameplay as the Sonic from the 90s. Actually, there's really a problem if a gameplay from a game that came out in 1991 beats by far a gameplay based from it from a game of 2011. That's called a regression.
kefkasakura 7 months ago
@kefkasakura:
"I would expect it to have classic controls."
For Wii, moving for D-Pad, 2 to jump.
Same as Genesis but with (less or more?) buttons. It's the fucking same.
"Actually, there's really a problem if a gameplay from a game that came out in 1991 beats by far a gameplay based from it from a game of 2011."
Implying it does, nostalgia fag.
DinerSals 7 months ago
@DinerSals When I was talking "controls", I was really talking about controlling the Sonic. He takes about 5 fucking seconds to go to full speed.
And yeah, the controls were really better in the first Sonic game. I actually gave some points to answer that : you're just insulting people because they don't like Sonic 4.
kefkasakura 7 months ago
@kefkasakura:
"He takes about 5 fucking seconds to go to full speed."
Because there isn't a fucking SPIN DASH or DASH PAD.
" you're just insulting people because they don't like Sonic 4."
Or maybe you dumb asses are being insulted because you have no real argument, and rely on looking through those blurry nostalgia goggles.
Oh, wait! Your opinion's more valid because you think you're more important!
Dumb asses.
DinerSals 7 months ago
@DinerSals What if he has the spin dash ? He still takes 5 seconds to go to full speed. In Sonic 1, there was no spin dash, nor Homing Attack : how would you do ? Exactly. The controls in Sonic 4 are meaningless when you have the Homing Attack : but take that away and it becomes shit. You HAVE to use the homing attack.
Also, why "no real argument" ? I would maybe find it myself in my comments, but since you say that, you tell me. I made some points here.
kefkasakura 7 months ago
@kefkasakura Also, the argument for nostalgia doesn't work : I'm 14 and I started playing Sonic 1 at 2007 or something, and it didn't made my life. But then again say you don't care, I'm fine with that.
To finish, I really had some respect for you. I comprehend your point, that Sonic 4 wasn't "the same fucking game from the 90s". But then, why is it called Sonic 4 ? A new 2d Sonic should have the same controls, with minor gameplay changes, and new levels. That's what Sonic truly is for me.
kefkasakura 7 months ago
@kefkasakura:
"What if he has the spin dash ? He still takes 5 seconds to go to full speed."
Because you can only hold it, not press it. LOL at your crappy exaggerations.
"You HAVE to use the homing attack."
When? Where? Oh, yeah, up your ass.
Keep bullshiting, maybe you'll have some real points.
DinerSals 7 months ago
@DinerSals First : I was talking about NOT actually using the spindash. He'll take 5 seconds to go to full speed. Again, go to Sonic 1. What if it had Sonic 4 controls ?
Second : You have to use the homing attack because if you don't, controlling Sonic will be really hard. That's what I said.
kefkasakura 7 months ago
@kefkasakura:
"What if it had Sonic 4 controls?"
Then it would be a bit easier. But of course, Sonic CD can get away with it.
"You have to use the homing attack because if you don't, controlling Sonic will be really hard. That's what I said."
No it isn't.
DinerSals 7 months ago
@DinerSals For Sonic CD, I wasn't talking about gameplay, but CONTROLS. When will you understand what's the difference ?
And yes, without the homing attack, Sonic doesn't control really good. That's why there's so much videos about the physics in this game, because they defy common sense and the actual laws of physics.
kefkasakura 6 months ago
@kefkasakura:
"they defy common sense and the actual laws of physics."
Oh child, you sicken me.
Here's your fucking logic: "A game where an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog fights a fat scientist and goes into space with foxes, echidnas and others have to follow THE LAWS OF FUCKING PHYSICS!"
DinerSals 6 months ago
@DinerSals Ok, then let's put it this way :
There's so much videos about the physics in this game, because it is a regression compared to the first game in the series.
And that is a fact : there's so much things that Sonic 1 can handle compared to Sonic 4, like the fact that rolling like a ball actually was useful to gain speed, and also the fact that walking up a vertical surface was impossible without having the necessary speed.
kefkasakura 6 months ago
@kefkasakura In Sonic 4, you could litteraly walk up vertical surfaces at any speed, WITHOUT EVEN SLOWING DOWN. I'm not even exaggerating, walking up vertical surfaces in Sonic 4 is exactly the same as walking on the floor. Look at "Sonic 4 Physics Suck" from DamnLagcom, you'll see what I mean.
Now, knowing that, you cannot defend a game from 2010 in which the physics are outdated compared to Sonic 1, released in 1991. Physics may not be the most important factor, but this is still ridiculous.
kefkasakura 6 months ago
@kefkasakura Ok, actually, I was really exaggerating. But still, it is still impossible to fuck the physics that bad.
kefkasakura 6 months ago
@kefkasakura:
Who the fuck cares, Sonic 1-Knuckles were littered with game crashing glitches and poor design (MOTHERFUCKING BARREL OF DOOM) but no one BITCHES about THAT.
DinerSals 5 months ago
@DinerSals You're kidding me, right ? Every one knows that the barrel of doom is just a dumb puzzle, but that's the only problem about design I can think of when playing this game.
The reason we care about the physics problem is because unlike the game crashing glitches, you don't have to make something complicated to trigger them, and it concerns the whole game, from start to finish. It just doesn't match any common sense we have when we want to play a classic Sonic game.
kefkasakura 5 months ago
@kefkasakura:
"it concerns the whole game"
No it freaking doesn't unless you look for it.
You say you can walk up walls? I say, FUCK no, that never happened to me.
DinerSals 5 months ago
@DinerSals You don't have to look for it, it just immediately comes to mind when playing the game. Ever heard of Hooper, the french reviewer ? Go watch his direct live of Sonic 4, and see what I mean.
The physics and controls just aren't the same as Sonic, and not for the good.
kefkasakura 5 months ago
@kefkasakura:
THE GUYS A FUCKING REVIEWER. HE REVIEWS THE GOOD AND BAD. OF COURSE HE'D FUCKING FIND IT, HE'S LOOKING FOR IT!
GODDAMN.
DinerSals 5 months ago
@DinerSals Stop getting angry, are you 13 ? I don't think so.
Also, he might be a reviewer, but that wasn't a review, it was a direct live. He found the problem with the controls at about 10 seconds of play.
kefkasakura 5 months ago
@kefkasakura:
Sure he did.
You people always want to find a problem to bitch about despite it being barely in game or can even be used.
DinerSals 5 months ago
@DinerSals Have you watched the video ? I'm french, I know what I'm talking about when talking about french reviewers.
Physics are barely in-game, and that's the problem. The gameplay and controls are completely different compared to Sonic 1, 2 and 3, and yet this game is supposed to be called Sonic 4.
A sequel is supposed to be the same gameplay with new levels, like we see in almost every sequel ever. Here, it's a different gameplay but with almost the same levels.
kefkasakura 5 months ago
@DinerSals you're totally right, these stupid fags haven't argument, they just call you oldskool fag and they can't admit that Sonic 4 is a fail. I added you as a friend ;)
eddylugia 7 months ago
@eddylugia:
Get back to me when you learn how to freaking type.
DinerSals 7 months ago
@DinerSals Have you even played sonic 4. The physics suck! You don't even keep momentum when you jump! Meanwhile, in the old school games which sonic 4 is based off of, the physics are perfect.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
Oh, look, another dumb ass who says "Sonic 4 sucks because it's not exactly like the fucking Genesis". Get the fuck outta here, you pathetic nostalgia idiots.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals Oh look, another hater who can't understand that the physics aren't as good as a 20 year old game. The physics aren't playable.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
Despite millions of people, playing, the game, BEATING, the game, LOVING the game.
You're just another dumb ass who thinks everything that isn't the same fucking game from 1991 is "unplayable". Pathetic.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals The games physics are crap. That's just it. Some people just put up with it.
I will also say that I've played the game myself, and enjoyed the classic ones a considerable amount more.
Your just another dumbass new gen sonic fanboy. I'm just saying that the physics aren't very great at all, especially compared to the physics of the 20 year old game this game is based on.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
lol I love it when no life dumb asses like you go "OH WELL U R NEW GEN FANOI" as if that's either truth or an insult. Bitch I got Sonic Colors and Generations. Enough fucking said.
And the more you compare the physics to a game that no one should compare this to, the more pathetic, blind, and fucking idiotic you are.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals Dude, grow up.
First of all, you don't need to constantly swear in your comments. It makes you look like an immature loser
Second, I call you a "next gen fanboy" because your defending the crappy physics and hate on the old games that were truthfully way better than the next gen games.
third, did you just say that no one should compare sonic 4 to the first four games that this is a sequel to?!
The physics SHOULD be similar to the ones it's based off of, and better.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
1) Because I care about the people of YouTube, right?
2) " hate on the old games that were truthfully way better than the next gen games."
1. Show me where I'm "hating". 2. lol you sure are fucking blind. To tell you the truth, ONLY THE MAIN SERIES CLASSIC WERE GOOD.
3) "did you just say that no one should compare sonic 4 to the first four games that this is a sequel to?!"
Did SEGA said they're remaking the first games as Sonic 4? No. Dumb ass.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals You are indeed hating on the old games. Read your coments.
And SEGA did say they were trying to go "back to the classics". Sonic 4 (A.K.A. Sonic the hedgehog 4) is a direct sequel to sonic the hedgehog 3, a genesis game. It's SUPPOSED to be close to the genesis counterparts.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
Hey dumb ass, here's what I said about the old games.
"You're just another dumb ass who thinks everything that isn't the same fucking game from 1991 is "unplayable"."
And "And the more you compare the physics to a game that no one should compare this to, the more pathetic, blind, and fucking idiotic you are."
"Sonic 4 (A.K.A. Sonic the hedgehog 4) is a direct sequel to sonic the hedgehog 3, a genesis game. It's SUPPOSED to be close to the genesis counterparts."
No, it isn't.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
If you wanted that, you should've been more fucking specific.
And even then you'd bitch like an ass. Guess what, SEGA has more things to worry about the reshipping Sonic 3 or please you dumb asses.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals nobody wants sonic 3 again
I certainly don't. It was fun while it lasted but times have moved on.
That said, Sonic 4 fails at basic sonic physics that EVERY Sonic game should have, I'm talking the basic mechanics of Sonic's momentum! For example, when you jump, your acceleration is cancelled out. Meaning that you can't go full speed and jump at the same time.
Your point about not clinging to old games is all well and good, but this game is simply terrible.
invertin 9 months ago
@invertin:
"basic sonic physics that EVERY Sonic game should have"
Oh, so Sonic Colors should have Sonic 3 physics? Stupid ass.
"Meaning that you can't go full speed and jump at the same time."
Yes, you can, you just fucking suck.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals I didn't say anything about Sonic 3 physics. I meant basic physics like momentum and inertia. You're the one who keeps bringing up old sonic games.
As for the full speed and jump thing, uh, no, you need to hold a direction in mid-air or all of your momentum is suddenly gone, that really isn't how jumping should ever work for ANY platformer, let alone sonic.
invertin 9 months ago
@invertin:
Too fucking bad, that's why the fucking air dash is in.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals *sigh*
try running full speed in any sonic game other than this one, then jumping and letting go of the jump button. And by any other game, I mean literally any other. Sonic Rush, Sonic Adventure, not just the old ones.
Then go do it in THIS game and you will see the problem.
invertin 9 months ago
@invertin:
Why the fuck would I want to ruin my game experience to do something I CAN AVOID YOU DUMBSHIT.
IF YOU HAVE TO STOP TO DO THE BULLSHIT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN THE PROBLEM CAN BE AVERTED YOU TROLL.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals Calm down and google the actual meaning of that word before you throw it around.
Where was I...
Right. That thing that you don't have to do, I mean sure technically you don't, but anyone who has played any sonic game (not any OLD sonic game mind you, just any sonic game) will probably do it instinctively at some point because they expect Sonic to actually have some form of coherent inertia.
invertin 9 months ago
@invertin:
Then that's still fucking stupid.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals If you're not going to give a logical argument then I have no reason to stay.
Goodbye DinerSals, have fun with your momentumless game.
invertin 9 months ago
@invertin:
Because of course we don't play games FOR FUCKING FUN, YOU TROLL.
You represent everything that is wrong with the Sonic fanbase.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals I feel like I'm just going to repeat myself if I explain what is wrong with what you just said.
My last post was an attempt to end the argument because I have laid out as much logic as I can but you still refuse to listen to any of it, and I don't appreciate it when someone screams at me instead of actually providing a logical argument.
In other words I am sick of talking to you and am going to ignore you now.
invertin 9 months ago
@invertin:
Because you have no fucking reason.
"lololol sonic drops faster dis game sux"
Dumb ass.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals
1)I keep saying, Sonic 4 was supposed to be very close to the Genesis games. SEGA said it themselves. And if they didn't care about retro gamers, why the hell would they make this?
2)I wouldn't "Bitch like an ass" if the sonic games SEGA has been putting out weren't so crap. I will admit that they are improving a lot, but Sonic 4 in particular wasn't terribly great.
3)I know plenty of people that are fans of the next gen sonic games that are way more whiny then me.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
1) Because. You. can't. Stop. Bitching.
2) "SEGA has been putting out weren't so crap."
Yeah, you're full of shit.
3) ")I know plenty of people that are fans of the next gen sonic games that are way more whiny then me."
At least they're fucking quiet,
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals Also, you keep calling me a nostalgic fanboy.
Wanting better physics than the 20 year old counterpart isn't nostalgic fanboy.
Now if I was to be like : "AMG SoNeeC DonT l00K lEik in Teh firSt MaekA iT spRIEt B@sED@!!oNE1!!"
Then that would be nostalgic fanboy.
And also, the game is supposed to be close to the original, with more content. That's what a lot of fans wanted.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
"That's what a lot of fans wanted."
Who gives a shit about what you psychopaths want.
You're the most unpleasable fanbase in all of the internet, and even fucking SEGA agrees. You people are sad.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals
most unpleasable fanbase?
Sorry I can't be pleased by the crap games sega is shoving out of their ass these days. We all know they can do better, but everything sega has been putting out is just milking sonic for money. When they can't even match the quality of the physics of a 16bit game made in 1991, you know that Sega is dieing.
I should also ask, have you played the classic sonic games before. They're a lot higher quality then the new sonic 4.
Spinjumper 9 months ago
@Spinjumper:
lol Like I fucking said, unpleasable fucking fanbase.
DinerSals 9 months ago
@DinerSals Oh,look;other guy that doesn't kidding and hating sonic
sonic40001 8 months ago
@sonic40001:
Yes, I hate Sonic (or whatever the hell you said, mushmouth) because I don't jerk to the 90s everyday.
DinerSals 8 months ago
@CrappingRainbows Sonic 06 is a wonderful game despite it's problems and should just be played for fun, Sonic and the Black Knight is pretty fun as well and it's no big deal if Sonic has a sword in one game or not, Sonic X is a very awesome anime that is linked within the continuity of the games as it was made by Sonic Team themselves. Sonic is characterized much better now then he was in the Genesis games.
pkstarstorm1up 10 months ago
@CrappingRainbows I don't think that there is a Mario conspiracy going on you think that there is a Sonic conspiracy going on since you hate a game that is nearly the same as the Genesis ones that you overly praise. Sonic seldom has crap titles either, the only bad Sonic games are the game gear games, Sonic 3d Blast, and Sonic and the Secret Rings. All of the other games are either awesome or good. Sonic Team has always and will always care about how their mascot looks.
pkstarstorm1up 10 months ago
I think the main thing about the physics of sonic 4 is based on the homing attack.
i think that was the key factor of adding that in on Sonic 4. that is what screwed up the physics of the game. sonic has to lose his horizontal momentom after doing the homing attack. and might have been difficult to do that while.
but the physics enhance strategy and pro game play
Daisyisfine93 10 months ago
@ThePervertedToad Amen to that.
pkstarstorm1up 10 months ago
@CrappingRainbows No it doesn't. Those are all pointless nitpicks that can be solved by simply pushing foward on the control stick and not letting go. If you do that then it plays exactly like the Genesis games and is just as fun as the Genesis games.
pkstarstorm1up 10 months ago
@CrappingRainbows You know whats even more sad? You wont even respond.
zeldafanboy23ify 10 months ago
If a truly great game is made, do people still argue about whether it sucks or not more than six months after its release? Hmm. Also, sonic 4 doesn't have "different" physics, it has incorrect physics--I know, I'm a physics major. Doesn't mean you can't get tons of fun out of it, but it also means you can't blame the people who don't. Admitting it has poor mechanics doesn't mean you have to dislike it--reasons for liking stuff don't need to make sense, it's opinion. Bad physics is a fact.
namdoog6 10 months ago
@CrappingRainbows Well of course Im a virgin, Im 13. And just cause Im not as sad and pathetic as you docent mean I've "Never had a girlfriend" And let me ask you, what ages is the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise geared toward? Certainly not 20-40 year olds, and since you play it, that makes you pretty sad. And since my profile is a "Big Joke", why do I have more Subscribers than you even though my profile is younger? Your profile is a joke.
zeldafanboy23ify 10 months ago
@CrappingRainbows *Sigh* 40 year old classic Sonic Fanboys. Equivalent to a women with mood swings.
zeldafanboy23ify 10 months ago
@CrappingRainbows Wow, fighting with Sonic fags is like fighting with a rock.
zeldafanboy23ify 10 months ago
Not alot of ppl seem to get that its the physics that make sonic so fun in sonic 4 the game felt stiff i mean hes fast thats why hes called sonic why stop him and when he passes a ramp he uncurles and you get hit the game is very frustrating they rly messed up all it needs is the physics and curling into a ball when he passes a ramp thats it and they managed to screw that up
eldersCcrazys 10 months ago