Intel or PowerPC?

[hobocamptheater]

I guess I'll be going with intel as it's faster and because the newer OS(s) are only compatible with intel.

also because if I'm getting a newer laptop to run my newer software I'm kinda being forced to use intel because I don't think newer laptops come with powerPC chips.

[zac1256]

i hate intel

[eMGeeGFX]

By the way, RISC doesn't require more code, it actually requires less. But, that really depends per situation and context.

[mrbit10]

@eMGeeGFX well in terms of instructions from complex of which CISC uses it requires the assembly to be ready for instructions coming down rather than the CISC decode process.

[eMGeeGFX]

Apple should've switched to IA-64 instead of the dog-slow PPC (POWER is only fast because they run at such ridiculously high frequencies) and commodity x86/-64, with all of its shortcomings. (I believe Apple actually did consider it, so I was told.) IA-64 is truly interesting, with a potentially good future ahead. Totally different from both CISC and RISC, in my opinion the way to go.

[yixxt]

@eMGeeGFX  IA-64 is dying a slow death, it was a solution to a problem that does not exist.

[eMGeeGFX]

@yixxt, according to parties such as IBM. But look at IBM, they're overclocking CPU ‘old-timer’ equivalents at gigantic clock frequencies and vast amounts of cache memories. And still, they can barely beat IA-64 with the latest POWER7. IBM proudly boasted, in a press release (when POWER7 was just released), how they could outperform much older IA-64 stuff. They were so proud. (I wasn't sure whether I had to laugh or cry.)

[tipoomaster]

That makes no sence, a company or an architecture? You mean X86 vs PPC, hehe.

[AmazonianBeauty]

Most x86 chips now use a form of RISC combined with the CISC instructions, so by the sounds of it, they've met both problems but are still hit with the same technical problem which was also worked around with the use of multiple processor cores, this pretty much if i'm right allows cores to take a part of the problem each and execute them how you'd described in your video

[mrbit10]

wow, this was an old video, but i would have to disagree about the two being the same, CiSC uses decoders and thus must increase the cycle rate for the gap, it then converts it into fast RISC, but they are not the same and do not perform the same. I have a few vids on multiprocessing but have a look at my behind the bit vid.

[mrbit10]

check out my latest series on setting osx free as well.

[themudrats]

i love my g5 dual core 2.3ghz :)

[MinnesotaMan13]

Okay, so if powerpc is faster, how would an 867mhz PPC G4 compare if it was an intel processor? (how fast would the mark it at?)

[mrbit10]

All things equal back then against the P4's of intel, i believe and would have to check that 867 would equal 1.2 - 1.4 GHZ P4. At the same time though Intel had the itanium which produced the same effect as PPC vs Intel CISC as Itanium is EPIC based thus EPIC vs CISC. Where EPIC and RISC use less cycles on the CPU per instruction set.

[mrbit10]

EPIC however uses Parallel instruction it still uses long instruction sets but breaks it down to be processed (non-serial) fashion. It has not proven that well as ultra-SPARC and IBM have still dominated in performance. The main issue with execution of complex instruction is that it must be decoded as all chips base execution is fast RISC or fRISK like as in made alternative.

[micsowsow]

even tho i do have an intel mac as my main machine i do believe that power pc could of been big if apple worked harder with IBM apple has a beautiful relationship intel and without this the macbook air wouldn't of been possible without help from intel

[mrbit10]

yes intel is behind a lot of the innovation in the new macs. great points :)

[gr1moire2112]

Great, very informative. Thanks

[caseybritton]

I forgot to add...go Ron Paul!

Personally, even if he did get elected...he'd probably get assassinated for trying to get rid of the federal reserve.

[caseybritton]

Hey Mrbit10....

its me C. M., the middle school teacher....

anyway...Mark makes a good point...bottom line can't you still get more for your money going pc vs. mac.

I know they have come down in price...but aren't they still more expensive?

[n0sc0p35]

Well, Apple has best in category pricing. Compare the price of an iMac to that of a Gateway One ZX190.

They are the same class of computer, but the gateway costs much more, yet is way less powerful.

Same thing for Dell's upcoming XPS ONE.

Category is really something you should take into account.

There's a reason why a iMac costs $1,199. Part of that is it's compact design, which uses mobility components. Costs much more to manufacture than a atx box.

[caseybritton]

"Part of that is it's compact design, which uses mobility components. "

True...an iMac is a beautiful machine....and I have yet to see anything like it on the PC side...however, the touch screen HP is very nice.

I guess, the advatge of going PC, for me, is you can build a PC for less than a Mac.

[mrbit10]

my pc is more expensive.

[n0sc0p35]

sorry about the double post.

[n0sc0p35]

"True...an iMac is a beautiful machine....and I have yet to see anything like it on the PC side..."

Yeah. Tell me about it.

Well, I have seen some PC's that try to be an imac.

XPS ONE

h t t p: //w w w. dell. c o m/content/products/productdeta­ils. a s p x/xpsdt_one?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=­dhs&~tab=bundlestab&redirect=1

Gateway One ZX190:

h t t p: //w w w. gateway. c o m/systems/product/529667523. p h p

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[n0sc0p35]

Well, I have seen some PC's that try to be an imac.

XPS ONE

h t t p: //w w w. dell. c o m/content/products/productdeta­ils. a s

p x/xpsdt_one? c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=bun­dlestab&redirect=1

Gateway One ZX190:

h t t p: //w w w. gateway. c o m/systems/product/529667523. p h

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[mrbit10]

eh... my gaming rig was very expensive as you know, that is subjective in value. However resale value is a whole other ball game in that macs have higher resale.

[RemarkabLee]

Thanks for the video mrbit10 - emeek77, you're up! Also interested to here your views to DRBUK. By the way, thanks for you're continued posts and videos over the past few months... There is a video in my profile by way of thanks.

My other question was: What makes you feel sets apart an Intel based Mac from a similarly spec'd PC using the same generation chipset, i.e. Santa Rosa Mac vs Santa Rosa PC?

[thisithis]

It was more expensive to have PPC chips in Mac. It's a good chip but to expensive to keep around. And besides IBM wanted to go in all the gaming consoles. The PPC chip, or at lest side chips are now in Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3 now. But now there's a rummer that IBM and Gaming developers what Apple to come up with a gaming consoles now. But that's just a rummer.

[advancewars658]

i know u posted this 11 months ago but just so u know apple did make a gaming Console before the "apple pipin" ran on a Motorola PPC Chip it was a failure but they did make one ;)

[Sier9iej]

I have plan to buy upcoming new Apple's sub-notebook, hope that will be Penryn based :-)

Anyway FLASH NAND hard drive n new LED based screen, longer run-time its all is wonderful...

[Sier9iej]

I'm happy PowerMAC MDD G4 owner :D

[emeek77]

The G5 is old and in some cases as fast. The quad g5 was a killer. G5 is an american classic.

[emeek77]

PPC was more stable i think and it set apple apart more than intel. I dont care about performance numbers. A quad G5 was a BEAST. Faster or as fast as the 2.0 Quad. I think it was mainly MONEY. PPC is BETTER QUALITY.. If IBM started making PPC chips in Home computers, Id buy one.

[DRBUK]

stable, thats the bestpart, and hence why i liek the powerpc chips.

[DavidDude96]

That is why there wasn't a PoweBook G5

[n0sc0p35]

Yep. There was also a G5 cube in the works, but it was scrapped because it kept melting optical disks.

[DRBUK]

g5 cube.lol. that really woulda been a sweet piece of tech, i loved the g4 cube. never knew that.

[n0sc0p35]

Actually, looking it up again, that was more of a rumor... My bad.

Tho, it is entirely possible. Apple was barely able to put a G5 into the iMac. So it stands to reason that they experimented with laptops and a cube configuration.

[DRBUK]

OMG I BEEN THINKING FOR A WEEK NOW TO DO INTEL VS POWER PC.LOL. cause i prefer powerpc chips.