How much is the purse for the winning vehicle in a banger race usually? I did a frame off restoration of a 1950 Chevy P/U and it cost me $12K...The question I'm getting to is would there have been a greater value in restoring and returning the Hillman to the street?
Here in the US, there are occasional "destruction derbys" where each entrant is out to wreck other vehicles, but keep his own going...but your video seems to be truly a race.
@MrHoopler Sadly, unlike in the US the prize money is very small. The problem is it costs around £40,000 to restore a good example, but sell for a fraction of that. This car required a new chassis, had no engine or gearbox and no interior. But it was bought very cheaply, and all the parts have been sold around the world, to keep better examples on the road, and returned him reasonable profit. UK banger racing is very different. A friends site youtdecilmalman's channel for vids.
@MalcOfLincoln Actually, the return on selling a fully restored classic auto does not work out well here either unless it is highly desireable. My 50 Chev only sold for only 6K..you are quite right about that.
Are you familiar with Hemming' Auto News? I just looked and found a 1935 fully retored Hillman Minx for sale and the seller is asking $16,950. Perhaps some of the parts you mentioned being sold are in the restored one.
@MrHoopler No not seen that paper. Seems the same all over then. Unless you do the job yourself, to keep the car not really worth it. A friend has a 1932 Lanchester that is crying out for a proper restro. Proper solid car, all wood good etc. If circumstances permitted I'd love to just take it to bits, clean it and restore mechanics, then run as it is. If you email me malcsworld@ntlworld.com I can show you pics etc as it won't allow me to on here. My Dad had a 1936 Minx which we ran until 1968.
@jayrockett23 This was discussed at the time, but it wasn't 79 years old from manufacture - The facts from Simon.The car is a 1932 Hillman Minx,it is not the earliest car raced-that was Dave Nicholls 1928 Dodge-it was 76 yrs old at the time it was raced in 2004,James Ellis raced this car in 2009 and it jointly held the record with James Dillons Austin at 77 yrs old then, I bought it off James to break for spares but got it running and driving again so ended up rebuilding it.
@jayjoshuajonny Yes Dave's was the earliest, however I think? I've read it was actually a restro of some sort....irrelevant of course, as we get to enjoy seeing them. I've just seen a 1930s car go cheaply on ebay, so might? be a new record this summer.
great video Malc-would just like to point out that i only ever race old cars that are beyond economically doing anything else with,i work on classics for a living,the whole front of this one was made entirely out of scrap parts from other cars,has put a few more pre war minx`s back on the road since racing it by donating steering box,springs,shock absorbers etc-i dont throw anything away!
That would have made a better hot rod, especially in mid 1950's-early 60's style. It would look quite stylish that way and have a new lease of life to boot.
@saxo191 Yeh Simons got balls LOL. Apparently it was 2004 when the Dodge raced and that was 76 years old. Simon's Hillman was raced by James Ellis in 2009 being 77 years old, and equal with James Dillons Austin. He bought it for spares, but got it running and raced it at 79 years old.
fact of life; old things get beyond economical repair, and go out of fashion. deal with it. they're worth a couple of hundred quid..to me that's an 'old banger' - fair play to people with this hobby and entertaining the crowds, half of them do it cos they actually enjoy old cars and have pristine roadworthy ones themselves
What became of it after the meeting? I always have mixed feelings about these old classics being wrecked.........as much as enjoy banger racing. Always prefer to see the demise of contempory cars.
@HUGHESONTWOS I saw the car on Friday. It's scrap, in fact it was too far gone to restore when James Ellis raced it. Both half shafts broke while Simon was in the pile up. However the chassis has broken in two, rotten, as well as the body has split from the chassis all the way along both sides.
yer hats off to fixit for geting it back onto a tack but was only commenting that ellis had raced it cupple years back so not 1st one to be raced an hopefully not the last an lets hope he can get it back for anuther pre 70
@sambo69ist It's the same car, so is now 79 years old, not 77. Simon bought it for parts, but got it going so decided to rebuild it. This makes it the oldest, not the earliest car to be raced.
How much is the purse for the winning vehicle in a banger race usually? I did a frame off restoration of a 1950 Chevy P/U and it cost me $12K...The question I'm getting to is would there have been a greater value in restoring and returning the Hillman to the street?
Here in the US, there are occasional "destruction derbys" where each entrant is out to wreck other vehicles, but keep his own going...but your video seems to be truly a race.
MrHoopler 3 weeks ago
@MrHoopler Sadly, unlike in the US the prize money is very small. The problem is it costs around £40,000 to restore a good example, but sell for a fraction of that. This car required a new chassis, had no engine or gearbox and no interior. But it was bought very cheaply, and all the parts have been sold around the world, to keep better examples on the road, and returned him reasonable profit. UK banger racing is very different. A friends site youtdecilmalman's channel for vids.
MalcOfLincoln 3 weeks ago
@MalcOfLincoln Actually, the return on selling a fully restored classic auto does not work out well here either unless it is highly desireable. My 50 Chev only sold for only 6K..you are quite right about that.
Are you familiar with Hemming' Auto News? I just looked and found a 1935 fully retored Hillman Minx for sale and the seller is asking $16,950. Perhaps some of the parts you mentioned being sold are in the restored one.
MrHoopler 3 weeks ago
@MrHoopler No not seen that paper. Seems the same all over then. Unless you do the job yourself, to keep the car not really worth it. A friend has a 1932 Lanchester that is crying out for a proper restro. Proper solid car, all wood good etc. If circumstances permitted I'd love to just take it to bits, clean it and restore mechanics, then run as it is. If you email me malcsworld@ntlworld.com I can show you pics etc as it won't allow me to on here. My Dad had a 1936 Minx which we ran until 1968.
MalcOfLincoln 3 weeks ago
Dave Nichols '754' raced a 1928 Dodge .
jayrockett23 3 weeks ago
@jayrockett23 This was discussed at the time, but it wasn't 79 years old from manufacture - The facts from Simon.The car is a 1932 Hillman Minx,it is not the earliest car raced-that was Dave Nicholls 1928 Dodge-it was 76 yrs old at the time it was raced in 2004,James Ellis raced this car in 2009 and it jointly held the record with James Dillons Austin at 77 yrs old then, I bought it off James to break for spares but got it running and driving again so ended up rebuilding it.
MalcOfLincoln 3 weeks ago
@MalcOfLincoln
oh yeah, i see. this is the 'oldest' according to manufacture and race dates, yet dave was maybe the 'earliest' in manufacture.
jayjoshuajonny 3 weeks ago
@jayjoshuajonny Yes Dave's was the earliest, however I think? I've read it was actually a restro of some sort....irrelevant of course, as we get to enjoy seeing them. I've just seen a 1930s car go cheaply on ebay, so might? be a new record this summer.
MalcOfLincoln 3 weeks ago
great way to go out rather than rust away. i a bit more worried about wolsely 6.80 and the mgbgt myself.
spoddog1 1 month ago
great video Malc-would just like to point out that i only ever race old cars that are beyond economically doing anything else with,i work on classics for a living,the whole front of this one was made entirely out of scrap parts from other cars,has put a few more pre war minx`s back on the road since racing it by donating steering box,springs,shock absorbers etc-i dont throw anything away!
MrFixit581 2 months ago
That would have made a better hot rod, especially in mid 1950's-early 60's style. It would look quite stylish that way and have a new lease of life to boot.
ChrisHenniker 5 months ago
@ChrisHenniker Agree entirely with you :D
MalcOfLincoln 5 months ago
there was a 1928 Studebaker Dictator raced at the 2007 firecracker so its level with that although you would'nt catch me in an old shed like that lol
saxo191 7 months ago
@saxo191 Yeh Simons got balls LOL. Apparently it was 2004 when the Dodge raced and that was 76 years old. Simon's Hillman was raced by James Ellis in 2009 being 77 years old, and equal with James Dillons Austin. He bought it for spares, but got it running and raced it at 79 years old.
MalcOfLincoln 7 months ago
fact of life; old things get beyond economical repair, and go out of fashion. deal with it. they're worth a couple of hundred quid..to me that's an 'old banger' - fair play to people with this hobby and entertaining the crowds, half of them do it cos they actually enjoy old cars and have pristine roadworthy ones themselves
RogerHerhard 8 months ago
What became of it after the meeting? I always have mixed feelings about these old classics being wrecked.........as much as enjoy banger racing. Always prefer to see the demise of contempory cars.
HUGHESONTWOS 8 months ago
@HUGHESONTWOS I saw the car on Friday. It's scrap, in fact it was too far gone to restore when James Ellis raced it. Both half shafts broke while Simon was in the pile up. However the chassis has broken in two, rotten, as well as the body has split from the chassis all the way along both sides.
MalcOfLincoln 8 months ago
yer hats off to fixit for geting it back onto a tack but was only commenting that ellis had raced it cupple years back so not 1st one to be raced an hopefully not the last an lets hope he can get it back for anuther pre 70
sambo69ist 9 months ago
james ellis raced one of these cupple years back at mildo pre 70's so not the first
sambo69ist 9 months ago
@sambo69ist It's the same car, so is now 79 years old, not 77. Simon bought it for parts, but got it going so decided to rebuild it. This makes it the oldest, not the earliest car to be raced.
MalcOfLincoln 9 months ago