"We are not kept because of our ongoing faithfulness, but because of the faithfulness of God. You are right about one thing..many Christians don't believe they are secure in Christ and consequently live in fear, not knowing the joy of resting in the grace of God."
Amazing! How sad. That Christians should fight to try and live for God. THey cant do it. I just read 2 Peter to see what the context is all about, and it is clearly talking about someone that heard the word and chose not to recieve it. 1 John 4:17 says that, "because as he is, so are we in this world." We are righteous because of Him, not because of us. Steve, I dont even think you need to argue your point. Let them that argue ask God for revelation of His grace.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Read in particular 2 peter 2:21, read it over and over understand what it means.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that NO whoremonger, nor unclean person, NOR covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY INHERITANCE in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Be not DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
I used to believe that I could lose my salvation. Anyone can look through the lens of your beliefs to find scriptures to support both arguments. The truth is your view of the Lord will develope your belief on this matter. In a sense you create yourself in the image of your God. On this matter I agree with Steve. If a person was truly coverted than the Grace of Christ will keep them. Doesn't the scripture say that HE who begun a perfect work in you be faithful to complete it?
Faith and belief is not simply a mental acknowledgment as is taught in so many Churches today. James Chapter 2 puts faith into context. Faith without works is a dead faith and is not really faith at all. The teaching in the video brings 2 Timothy Chapter 3 to mind, especially verse 5 which states "having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." Are we to be double minded with a foot in the world and a foot in the Kingdom? Is that even possible? Revelation 3:14-22
Salvation through faith by grace and not of works is a true statement but it must be taken in its proper context. We cannot earn the gift of salvation but that does not mean that this gift is unconditional. We have to conform to the conditions that are taught in Scripture. Obedience is one of the conditions! Hebrews 5:9 states, "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"
In this video 1 Corinthians 6:17 is quoted. "But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Why not put that verse into its actual context by reading the whole Chapter. 1 Corinthians 6:9 says that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom, neither fornicators, idolators, adulterers, effeminate, theives, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, ect. WHY? Because those who do such things are living after the flesh. Look up Galatians 6:1-10, Ephesians 5:1-20.
@Skinski7 Yes the scriptures do say the UNrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. But Christians are not the unrighteous. We have been made righteous by the work of the Cross. Since Ihave been a believer I have coveted, Does this mean I will not be in heaven? Christians still sin. If you are honest, today you have sinned. Anger, indulgence, lust, who knows? Not my business, but for sake of the argument. John says he who says they do not sin is a liar and the truth is not in them. Grace.
@usnavyrox I agree with you absolutely. We still sin cos we are in a war with our flesh. Yet we are not to walk after the flesh which means we are to put to death the flesh with the power of the spirit which is a work that Christ does in us. Indeed our own righteousness is as filthy rags and it is true that we are made righteous by Christs work on the cross. Yet none of this takes away from the fact that we are to be obedient. Carefully read again my posts as I do not think they are in error.
@Skinski7 The video adresses the question can we backslide from the Lord? Obedience is another issue, We are all disobedient to the Lord in thought and deed. If we try to live a perfect obedient lifestyle we will soon realize we are failures. Sin is destructive in our lives. The wages of sin is death, but if we sin and are disobedient does this mean we are backslidden? If we are born again, our sin will bother us, and His grace keeps us. Nothing can separate me from the Love of God. Peace.
Every Scripture must be taken in context with every other scripture. "Put gas in a car and it will work" may be a true statement but only in the context of "if the car has 4 wheels you can drive down the road" or "the car will operate and drive from A to B if there is a driver." Salvation doctrine is the same. It is a dangerous error to pick one or two verses and cling to them while ignoring other Scriptures which define the context.
WOW, the God of the OT is ALSO the God of the NT, He is the God that changes not!
This idea of not being able to get away from God first appears in the OT
If I go down to sheol, you are there etc...
And, YES there are a mountain of verses that tell us about those who LOSE, give up, renounce (whatever you wish to call it) their salvation
The parableof the unjust servant Jesus explained, shows a man who asks for forgiveness and then, BASED ON HIS UNHOLY ACTIONS has his sin-debt reinstututed!
So much of the Church's teachings blend Old Covenant teachings into the New Covenant, and the truth is, no part of the Old Covenant applies to us, because God has given us a New Covenant.
Thanks for pointing this out, it's so easy to fall into the Church's web of lies.
If you want to chain yourself to the Covenant God made with Israel, that's up to you. But I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater, either. Just because we Gentiles of the New Covenant don't follow the Old Covenant, doesn't mean there's no reason to read it.
You are wrong. 2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. If this doesn't say backsliding, I don't know what does. Ted Turner has completely turned away from Jesus. Don't tell me he will get into heaven in his state.
I don't know why anyone, after tasting God's goodness, would want to depart, live away from, stop being in fellowship with, or have nothing to do with God, but they do. 1 tim 4. 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; that seems to clear up the topic
@pdfwc So true. It's one thing to sin, even knowingly because the urge is so great, then feel terrible afterwords and cry to God to forgive them. It's another thing altogether to reject God completely.
You honestly don't know why? Because when life gets tough for them, their circumstances change intensely, they get no direction in life, no one really shows them love. When so much bad happens over and over, it will make them wonder if what they experienced with God was real or not because their current reality is so far from what they previously experienced that God's goodness can be mistaken for a fantasy.
This leads down a gradual but sure path to departure.
I'm all for getting non-biblical vocabulary and ideas out of our usage. However, there are "victory" issues still to be considered and questions to be raised about whether a person has just "said a prayer" or has really chosen Lordship.
I was not trying to start a fight. I was really wondering what your interpretations of:
Hebrews 13: 8
Matthew 10: 37-39
Romans 8: 36
and Matthew 24: 12-13
are. As you have said in this video, you used to believe in backsliding, but now you don't. Has your interpretations of the scriptures I listed changed as well?
When you said we can never get away from Jesus something went "click" in my spirit. I remember a time a few weeks after I surrendered myself to the Lord after running away for many years, I was receiving prayer at church when I had what can best be described as a flashback. Its like years passed before me in the blink of an eye and a witness in my spirit told me "I was always with you". I knew right then that Jesus saw me through all the rough times. And believe me, some of them were rough!!!
This is one view, but not the one that many Christians believe. This is the old eternal security argument and it is faulty because it doesn't distinguish the difference in "losing" your salvation and abandoning the faith. God never takes away our free will---not before salvation and not after. A Believer cannot be lost again due to sin, but it is possible to reject and abandon all belief in Jesus. There are numerous places in the NT where we are warned about falling away from the faith.
To fall away from walking in faith is not to fall away from our loving Father's grace. Nobody's will is free. You are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness, depending on to which you yield yourself (says the Apostle Paul). We are not kept because of our ongoing faithfulness, but because of the faithfulness of God. You are right about one thing..many Christians don't believe they are secure in Christ and consequently live in fear, not knowing the joy of resting in the grace of God.
"You are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness, depending on to which you yield yourself..."
Yeah, exactly. People who CHOOSE to be slaves to sin, despite their relationship with Christ DO fall away.
"We are not kept because of our ongoing faithfulness, but because of the faithfulness of God. "
I have one verse for you: Matthew 7:21. Oh, Jesus was just talking to the Jews, right? But it's New Testiment, right?! Also, your teachings remind me of 2 Timothy 4:3.
@storypeddler Jesus Christ is our faith. Paul said it. He is all the faith we need. It was never about OUR faith but HIS Faith. His faith saves and justifies us...
strange how the speaker in the vid didn't go all the way w/ the story of the prodigal son. upon his return, the father said he was lost and now found. dead and now alive. he was w/ the father, chose to leave, and the father said his son was lost and dead UNTIL he returned.
He was lost to the benefits of his rights as a son. He didn't lose the relationship to his father. Once you're born, you can't get "unborn." Note how the Father came running to him while he was "yet a great way afar off" and fell on him, embracing him without even allowing the son to give his "I promise to do better" speech.
Come on steve salvation has to be harder than that.. we aren't getting enough credit if we aren't working << this is mans thinking and justification ... jesus said who are you calling good ?? Man wants to be right so much and in control (usurping God) he stumbles repeatedly upon this . It at its core denies the work of christ...It lifts men up and brings god down ...It's caused by a weak understanding of how holy and magnificent our God truely is.
Please read John 15 "abide in Me". Jesus warns us there will be a chance not to abide in Him. Also Hebrews 6.
Remember Balam's advice.
The Narrow Way has two sides. The Bible has oftentimes two opposite-paralel "rails" on the same topic. Strike the balance, please. We need warnings, when we are getting wrong. We need encouragement when we are getting weak.
Even when I don't depend on Jesus, as a Christian, I'm still in Him. He keeps me in Him. I don't keep myself there. The narrow way you refer to is referring to salvation. There is only one way to God - Jesus Christ. The reference isn't referring to Christians.
Jesus did not only say that that there is an narrow gate (Him), but also the path is narrow! Read Ezekiel 18:26. Why did Jesus warn about that so many people will not enter the narrow gate and walk the narrow path? You and Steve's claims make room for anyone who says that they were "saved" in their lives are saved, no matter what their attitude is towards God thereafter, as if, they have no say so in the matter! They had a say so to accept Him, so they also have a say so to reject Him.
What would you assume that a Christian wouldn't have a loving attitude toward the One who saved him? What on earth makes you think a believer would want to reject the One who is his life?
@4EverTrying . Friend this guy literally works for satan, don't think I'm joking. He is intentionally preaching the gospel of the anti-christ to lead souls to him in the Great Tribulation. Please warn people about this guy.
ATTee - I've read John 15 many times. I encourage you not only to read it, but to study its meaning. It is referring to a pruning away of that which doesn't produce fruit not a loss of our salvation. If we can lose our salvation because of sins, every one of us would have lost it a long time ago. How many sins would it take? What sin? We'd all the in a mess if it weren't for grace. Our security is in Jesus not our behavior.
"Nothing" includes me, right? I am a "something," am I not? If "nothing" means no thing and I'm a thing, then I can't cut His love from me even if I should stop loving Him, which won't happen anyway with Christians. When we are unfaithful, He is faithful still. That's why it's called "grace" -- because it is undeserved.
Huh? 2 Tim 2:13 says, "Our faith may fail, his never wanes- That's who he is, he cannot change!" Thank God it is His grace that keeps us, not our works of faithfulness.
so you could fall from church,become a devil worhipper,child rapist murderer prostitute and still make it to heaven...i don't think so...
TheGmorlok 4 weeks ago
"We are not kept because of our ongoing faithfulness, but because of the faithfulness of God. You are right about one thing..many Christians don't believe they are secure in Christ and consequently live in fear, not knowing the joy of resting in the grace of God."
So true, so true...
Cutie9326 4 months ago
The Father goes into the pg pen with me? Wow. :) Thanks, Steve. That was a major revelation for me...
Cutie9326 4 months ago
Amazing! How sad. That Christians should fight to try and live for God. THey cant do it. I just read 2 Peter to see what the context is all about, and it is clearly talking about someone that heard the word and chose not to recieve it. 1 John 4:17 says that, "because as he is, so are we in this world." We are righteous because of Him, not because of us. Steve, I dont even think you need to argue your point. Let them that argue ask God for revelation of His grace.
riverzee1 6 months ago
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off
0OoJoshuaoO0 6 months ago
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
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Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
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2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Read in particular 2 peter 2:21, read it over and over understand what it means.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
YOU CAN BE A CHRISTIAN AND LOSE YOUR SALVATION.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that NO whoremonger, nor unclean person, NOR covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY INHERITANCE in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
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1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Be not DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
Truth # 82 You Can Backslide From God
What Steve McVey said was totally against scripture.
0OoJoshuaoO0 7 months ago
Once in gtace always in grace is a false doctrine - period.
voiceofelijah2012 10 months ago
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ManOfGod626 8 months ago
@voiceofelijah2012
I agree. There are too many warnings to people already saved. Romans 11:22, 2 Peter 2-20-22, Hebrews 3:14 to name a few.
ManOfGod626 8 months ago
amazing video, very true.
bowiehs 11 months ago
I used to believe that I could lose my salvation. Anyone can look through the lens of your beliefs to find scriptures to support both arguments. The truth is your view of the Lord will develope your belief on this matter. In a sense you create yourself in the image of your God. On this matter I agree with Steve. If a person was truly coverted than the Grace of Christ will keep them. Doesn't the scripture say that HE who begun a perfect work in you be faithful to complete it?
usnavyrox 1 year ago
Faith and belief is not simply a mental acknowledgment as is taught in so many Churches today. James Chapter 2 puts faith into context. Faith without works is a dead faith and is not really faith at all. The teaching in the video brings 2 Timothy Chapter 3 to mind, especially verse 5 which states "having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." Are we to be double minded with a foot in the world and a foot in the Kingdom? Is that even possible? Revelation 3:14-22
Skinski7 1 year ago
Salvation through faith by grace and not of works is a true statement but it must be taken in its proper context. We cannot earn the gift of salvation but that does not mean that this gift is unconditional. We have to conform to the conditions that are taught in Scripture. Obedience is one of the conditions! Hebrews 5:9 states, "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"
Skinski7 1 year ago
In this video 1 Corinthians 6:17 is quoted. "But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Why not put that verse into its actual context by reading the whole Chapter. 1 Corinthians 6:9 says that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom, neither fornicators, idolators, adulterers, effeminate, theives, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, ect. WHY? Because those who do such things are living after the flesh. Look up Galatians 6:1-10, Ephesians 5:1-20.
Skinski7 1 year ago
@Skinski7 Yes the scriptures do say the UNrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. But Christians are not the unrighteous. We have been made righteous by the work of the Cross. Since Ihave been a believer I have coveted, Does this mean I will not be in heaven? Christians still sin. If you are honest, today you have sinned. Anger, indulgence, lust, who knows? Not my business, but for sake of the argument. John says he who says they do not sin is a liar and the truth is not in them. Grace.
usnavyrox 1 year ago
@usnavyrox I agree with you absolutely. We still sin cos we are in a war with our flesh. Yet we are not to walk after the flesh which means we are to put to death the flesh with the power of the spirit which is a work that Christ does in us. Indeed our own righteousness is as filthy rags and it is true that we are made righteous by Christs work on the cross. Yet none of this takes away from the fact that we are to be obedient. Carefully read again my posts as I do not think they are in error.
Skinski7 1 year ago
@Skinski7 The video adresses the question can we backslide from the Lord? Obedience is another issue, We are all disobedient to the Lord in thought and deed. If we try to live a perfect obedient lifestyle we will soon realize we are failures. Sin is destructive in our lives. The wages of sin is death, but if we sin and are disobedient does this mean we are backslidden? If we are born again, our sin will bother us, and His grace keeps us. Nothing can separate me from the Love of God. Peace.
usnavyrox 1 year ago
Every Scripture must be taken in context with every other scripture. "Put gas in a car and it will work" may be a true statement but only in the context of "if the car has 4 wheels you can drive down the road" or "the car will operate and drive from A to B if there is a driver." Salvation doctrine is the same. It is a dangerous error to pick one or two verses and cling to them while ignoring other Scriptures which define the context.
Skinski7 1 year ago
WOW, the God of the OT is ALSO the God of the NT, He is the God that changes not!
This idea of not being able to get away from God first appears in the OT
If I go down to sheol, you are there etc...
And, YES there are a mountain of verses that tell us about those who LOSE, give up, renounce (whatever you wish to call it) their salvation
The parableof the unjust servant Jesus explained, shows a man who asks for forgiveness and then, BASED ON HIS UNHOLY ACTIONS has his sin-debt reinstututed!
buzzbbird 1 year ago
So much of the Church's teachings blend Old Covenant teachings into the New Covenant, and the truth is, no part of the Old Covenant applies to us, because God has given us a New Covenant.
Thanks for pointing this out, it's so easy to fall into the Church's web of lies.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 so I can toss the OT out of my Bible then? Cool!
Apocalips320 1 year ago
@Apocalips320
If you want to chain yourself to the Covenant God made with Israel, that's up to you. But I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater, either. Just because we Gentiles of the New Covenant don't follow the Old Covenant, doesn't mean there's no reason to read it.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 That comment was sarcastic :) there are valuable things to learm from the OT, I am well aware of that
Apocalips320 1 year ago
@CMONE021187 Well done mate, absolutely true.
steve7onfire 1 year ago
so what if I am saved then I become an atheist? Am I still a Christan ?
ocpud2999 1 year ago
POWER
SmoothG88 1 year ago
You are wrong. 2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. If this doesn't say backsliding, I don't know what does. Ted Turner has completely turned away from Jesus. Don't tell me he will get into heaven in his state.
psxwarrior 1 year ago
I don't know why anyone, after tasting God's goodness, would want to depart, live away from, stop being in fellowship with, or have nothing to do with God, but they do. 1 tim 4. 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; that seems to clear up the topic
pdfwc 2 years ago
@pdfwc So true. It's one thing to sin, even knowingly because the urge is so great, then feel terrible afterwords and cry to God to forgive them. It's another thing altogether to reject God completely.
psxwarrior 1 year ago
@pdfwc
You honestly don't know why? Because when life gets tough for them, their circumstances change intensely, they get no direction in life, no one really shows them love. When so much bad happens over and over, it will make them wonder if what they experienced with God was real or not because their current reality is so far from what they previously experienced that God's goodness can be mistaken for a fantasy.
This leads down a gradual but sure path to departure.
4EverTrying 1 year ago
Does anybody really ever end up in hell? I really hope not-
musicstories 2 years ago
I'm all for getting non-biblical vocabulary and ideas out of our usage. However, there are "victory" issues still to be considered and questions to be raised about whether a person has just "said a prayer" or has really chosen Lordship.
nimmonsvideo 2 years ago
Watch yourself around the first commandment.
billyrango 2 years ago
I was not trying to start a fight. I was really wondering what your interpretations of:
Hebrews 13: 8
Matthew 10: 37-39
Romans 8: 36
and Matthew 24: 12-13
are. As you have said in this video, you used to believe in backsliding, but now you don't. Has your interpretations of the scriptures I listed changed as well?
Please respond.
4EverTrying 2 years ago
No one backslides from Jesus once saved always saved. The devil has lied to me so many times about this.
JustinOsbore 2 years ago
When you said we can never get away from Jesus something went "click" in my spirit. I remember a time a few weeks after I surrendered myself to the Lord after running away for many years, I was receiving prayer at church when I had what can best be described as a flashback. Its like years passed before me in the blink of an eye and a witness in my spirit told me "I was always with you". I knew right then that Jesus saw me through all the rough times. And believe me, some of them were rough!!!
KiwiGraceboy 2 years ago
This is one view, but not the one that many Christians believe. This is the old eternal security argument and it is faulty because it doesn't distinguish the difference in "losing" your salvation and abandoning the faith. God never takes away our free will---not before salvation and not after. A Believer cannot be lost again due to sin, but it is possible to reject and abandon all belief in Jesus. There are numerous places in the NT where we are warned about falling away from the faith.
storypeddler 3 years ago
To fall away from walking in faith is not to fall away from our loving Father's grace. Nobody's will is free. You are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness, depending on to which you yield yourself (says the Apostle Paul). We are not kept because of our ongoing faithfulness, but because of the faithfulness of God. You are right about one thing..many Christians don't believe they are secure in Christ and consequently live in fear, not knowing the joy of resting in the grace of God.
SteveMcVey 3 years ago 3
@SteveMcVey
"You are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness, depending on to which you yield yourself..."
Yeah, exactly. People who CHOOSE to be slaves to sin, despite their relationship with Christ DO fall away.
"We are not kept because of our ongoing faithfulness, but because of the faithfulness of God. "
I have one verse for you: Matthew 7:21. Oh, Jesus was just talking to the Jews, right? But it's New Testiment, right?! Also, your teachings remind me of 2 Timothy 4:3.
4EverTrying 1 year ago
@SteveMcVey Well said...
Cutie9326 3 months ago
@storypeddler Jesus Christ is our faith. Paul said it. He is all the faith we need. It was never about OUR faith but HIS Faith. His faith saves and justifies us...
Cutie9326 4 months ago
strange how the speaker in the vid didn't go all the way w/ the story of the prodigal son. upon his return, the father said he was lost and now found. dead and now alive. he was w/ the father, chose to leave, and the father said his son was lost and dead UNTIL he returned.
filoIII 3 years ago
He was lost to the benefits of his rights as a son. He didn't lose the relationship to his father. Once you're born, you can't get "unborn." Note how the Father came running to him while he was "yet a great way afar off" and fell on him, embracing him without even allowing the son to give his "I promise to do better" speech.
surfchaser2 3 years ago
Come on steve salvation has to be harder than that.. we aren't getting enough credit if we aren't working << this is mans thinking and justification ... jesus said who are you calling good ?? Man wants to be right so much and in control (usurping God) he stumbles repeatedly upon this . It at its core denies the work of christ...It lifts men up and brings god down ...It's caused by a weak understanding of how holy and magnificent our God truely is.
zwreckless1 3 years ago
Amazing how many folks get mad about that good news, huh?
surfchaser2 3 years ago
Before I say anything else, I would humbly ask you for your interpretations of the following scriptures:
Hebrews 13: 8
Matthew 10: 37-39
Romans 8: 36
and
Matthew 24: 12-13
4EverTrying 2 years ago
Sorry, Steve.
Please read John 15 "abide in Me". Jesus warns us there will be a chance not to abide in Him. Also Hebrews 6.
Remember Balam's advice.
The Narrow Way has two sides. The Bible has oftentimes two opposite-paralel "rails" on the same topic. Strike the balance, please. We need warnings, when we are getting wrong. We need encouragement when we are getting weak.
Thank you:
ATTee
vattee 3 years ago
Even when I don't depend on Jesus, as a Christian, I'm still in Him. He keeps me in Him. I don't keep myself there. The narrow way you refer to is referring to salvation. There is only one way to God - Jesus Christ. The reference isn't referring to Christians.
surfchaser2 3 years ago
Jesus did not only say that that there is an narrow gate (Him), but also the path is narrow! Read Ezekiel 18:26. Why did Jesus warn about that so many people will not enter the narrow gate and walk the narrow path? You and Steve's claims make room for anyone who says that they were "saved" in their lives are saved, no matter what their attitude is towards God thereafter, as if, they have no say so in the matter! They had a say so to accept Him, so they also have a say so to reject Him.
4EverTrying 2 years ago
What would you assume that a Christian wouldn't have a loving attitude toward the One who saved him? What on earth makes you think a believer would want to reject the One who is his life?
SteveMcVey 2 years ago
@4EverTrying . Friend this guy literally works for satan, don't think I'm joking. He is intentionally preaching the gospel of the anti-christ to lead souls to him in the Great Tribulation. Please warn people about this guy.
T2Todd2 1 year ago
ATTee - I've read John 15 many times. I encourage you not only to read it, but to study its meaning. It is referring to a pruning away of that which doesn't produce fruit not a loss of our salvation. If we can lose our salvation because of sins, every one of us would have lost it a long time ago. How many sins would it take? What sin? We'd all the in a mess if it weren't for grace. Our security is in Jesus not our behavior.
surfchaser2 2 years ago
Your message seems to be that which Jesus Christ said "It is too much to bear".
But it is great. And it is really amazing how far his grace goes.
Unknnnnn 3 years ago
Speaking about nothing...
I realised wonderful truth recently...
You see I thought nothing was the absense of God... And God eradicated all nothing by creating stuff in it.....
But then I realised lol.....
Even NOTHING is CREATED BY GOD!
Unknnnnn 3 years ago
"Nothing" includes me, right? I am a "something," am I not? If "nothing" means no thing and I'm a thing, then I can't cut His love from me even if I should stop loving Him, which won't happen anyway with Christians. When we are unfaithful, He is faithful still. That's why it's called "grace" -- because it is undeserved.
SteveMcVey 3 years ago 2
@SteveMcVey Well said! :)
Cutie9326 4 months ago
This says that nothing can separate Gods love from you, but nothing about you cutting your love from him.
42drum420 3 years ago
Huh? 2 Tim 2:13 says, "Our faith may fail, his never wanes- That's who he is, he cannot change!" Thank God it is His grace that keeps us, not our works of faithfulness.
surfchaser2 2 years ago