Z tohto videa to vyzerá, ako keby viac zločinov napáchali Slováci, pritom to nie je vôbec pravda. Prečo si tam dal Kaliňáka a Fica? Oni nie sú nacionalisti, sú len obyčajní zlodeji a navyše idú aj proti slovenským občanom - hlavne kaliňák a jeho nový cestný zakon. Video by si mal prepracovať!
Čo sa týka incidentov, tak sú zbytočne zveličené a nafúknuté médiami. Píšu len to, čo sa im povie, veľakrát nie PRAVDU. Naše a žiadne iné média na SVETE nie sú objektívne.
It is sad to see this is going on, it makes me very angry the stupidity and blindness of some people, especially the ones that are representing people who elected them and put their own stupid showinistic agenda before the interest and wellfare of the nation. There has to be enough sane people on both sides to stop this insanity and remow the idiots from their offices. They should be rolled in the tar and feathers and chased out of town like in good old days
4:26 - That part of video: I thought that only Slovakian names were over painted by Hungarians. And truth is that it was done from the both sides. This is proof, that our (Slovakian) media are paid for making this conflict grow. Not a simple word about Slovakian anti-Hungarian activity that kind in our media, if my information is good.
That's exactly the most disgusting thing the media or the government does. They make the media angle the news like the "other country" is evil hiding their own beastlenesses and their dirty cases to reach their selfish intentions.
I bet that it's not you the only one who did not know what the truth is.
The truth is that the most people have false pictures about the other country based on what they are told by the government.
- Slovak and Hun mayors of villages, towns organized a soccer game in Hungary for the friendship a couple of weeks ago, after this they celebrated with Gulyás (Goulash) and halusky :)
we're brother nations... just get on have a life. stop creating problems. i'm hungarian and i know 5 slovakians with no problem to hungary at all and they speak fluent magyar. i'm fluent in hungarian and english. peace to the world.
Not everyone hates Hungarians. Many people don't have anything against them, including myself. But some people, including myself, are annoyed by the Hungarians who make territorial claims.
All right, a lot of people, mostly Slovakian don't agree with this video, because it is more likely against Slovakia.
I have to say that I did not intend to make an anti-Slovakin video. Thought it is against the government from both sides. (Gyurcsány, Göncz, Fico, slota, you know who I'm talking about.) Plus against the extremism, injustice, corruption and abuse of the administrative authority.
So if you people (particularly Slovakian) think that it is more likely against Slovakia, then put a negative sign. If there will be 10 of it, then I'm going to erase this video.
This video is showing Slovakia as an assault country! I dont agree because we were maybe just protecting ourselves from hungarian.They are trying to assimilate us into picture of theirs.
it is sad that what some people consider to be a protection... i dont speak about the football match as there were lot of provocations from both sides... and our police acted as they usually acts (with brutality)... but i beg your pardon, did you say magyars are assimilating you? obviously you know nothing about the demography of Slovakia...
Of course, by rules mutually accepted, along the common sense. For example, where the ratio of the other nation equal 20% or more, there this language should be used officially. Or something like that.
jeanpierreSK> The whole Malina case was investigated only two weeks. So you say that all the pictures that were made of her with scars on her face, the two medical reports are fake? And the people who find her they lie? Believe me, everything I said was find on the internet.
Now Hedvig Malina finished her studies, married her boyfriend (Slovakian Peter Zak) and they have a baby. Now why would she lie about it?
jeanpierreSK> I never talked about fascist, you shouldn't either.
2 or 3 politicians? Is this serious that you argue with me on this? I'll tell you I could list all the Hungarian politicians, they are all pricks. It's the same on both sides with one exception (jan slota).
But we (Hungarians) know that he is just one man, not the whole country.
jeanpierreSK>"3- Police brutality, burning flags,yealling something against the oher. Is this happening more in Slovakia than in Hungary?"
Yes, it is. No, offense, but it happens a lot more. Of course that doesn't mean that it never happens in Hungary. It does, and I don't know why you say that we must be the most tolerant nation in Europe. Of course we're not. Correct me if I'm wrong but no anti-Slovakian in our government and no Slovakian in Hungary were beaten.
jeanpierreSK> Anything what Hungarian does against Slovakia is sorrowful and wrong. I never doubt it.
But this video is the same against the Hungarian government and anti-Slovakian, as against anti-Hungarian and the Slovakian government, and That's why it's not a propaganda. These are just series of facts, which we should face. Like a chain-reaction. One thing follows another. No need to find out who started it. IT ALL MUST BE STOPPED!
to macscafogo007: you say: please one of them. one of them what? other detail?
OK. For example "Hungary: ANGRY Hungarians are burning a Slovakian flag""Slovakia: Slovakians are burning a Hungarian flag" --> so only the Hungarians are angry? Do you know how many times Hungarians have burned a Slovakian flag before (and vice versa)?
I thought Puerto Rico was an independent state, but I always was bad at Geography. Well, I don't mind Hungarians having institutions in Hungarian, but Romanians living there also need to have the right to be spoken to in Romanian. And what about Romanians from outside Szeklerland, who come as tourists ? Are you saying they have to speak in Hungarian or English in shops etc. ?
Of course it regards citizens, not tourists. Of course it should be mutual. Anyway, Hungarian minority is a gold pot for the tourism of Romania, so it would be worth to learn some Hungarian. If we go to Istanbul, a lot of Turkish shopkeeper greet us in Hungarian :).
I know a lot of Hungarians from Ardeal, they all speak Romanian more or less, so I do not understand these arguments.
It's an old trick you stupid fuck, just to suck the money out of you playing on you feelings(being away from home and all).I am pretty sure your body temperature jumped to 50 degrees once you have heard somthing in magyar,and I hope you didnt leave your vallet there because the crook made you happy.Grow up
It is very simple and I understand.Seeing a cigan like yourself in a faraway land you must have been overcome with emotion and feeling of belonging. I hope that you kissed him at least.
4- Only 2 Hungarians "bad" poliicians and 3 "bad" Slovakian politicians. The same: that mean we are more inhuman etc.
There are other small details making your video a hungarian propaganda.
So if we want peace, everybody should start by himself (his country). If not, like iadrianyu said, a further conversation would not have a sence. Let's really start to think objectively.
I dont think so. Because of the 100 proofs against her (finger prints, post marc, t-shirt, blood, bank transaction.....). So, are you really sure this story is true?
3- Police brutality, burning flags,yealling something against the oher. Is this happening more in Slovakia than in Hungary? Really? So actually you are the most tolerant nation in Europe, what? The burning candles by the Slovakian ambassy. Wow so much humanity!!
2- your map. yes it's really stupid. But do you have it really from the official SNS??? May be you are right, but they are stupid radicals. If you want be objective look all the Great Hungary maps on internet. I could say for example also, that every fifth hungarian deputee has a map of Great Hungary including Slovakia hanging in his car. (Hungarian press)
3- Hedviga. Only 12% of Slovakians believed in hr. Because they are fascist do you mean?
Ok. right, it's not a propaganda. But it's still not objective your video. I can go point by point and show you, where it's still a little propaganda for the good Hungarians and bad Slovakians if you want.
1. "Slovak government (!) says that beating Hungaians (minority) in Slovakia never happens". Very general but- who said that? give a link please. It's not true. I wouldn't say that neither. But it is also not true that all Slovakians wake up and go beat some Hngarians. You know what I mean?
I don't think you can compare Romania or Hungary to Switzerland. By your logic, Romanians in Hungary shouldn't learn Hungarian. Are you suggesting Hispanics in the United States should not learn English, just speak Spanish ? And Chinese people just speak Chinese ?
Ardeal is much more common with Switzerland than with US. 1) In USA Hispanics and Chinese are immigrants, Hungarians are natives in Romania. 2) I have never heard about any minority problem in the US. There an officer - if he work on a Spanish-speaking territory - should learn Spanish, and yes, they have right to use their language everywhere: at the police, at the offices, before the law - where they have significant ratio of population. The equality of people means that.
No, I was wrong, Hispanics are not only immigrants (I mean immigrants of the XX. century), but natives also. But Hispanics consist of a lot of different nations.
And yes, in a lot of states of US Spanish is the official language (like Puerto Rico) and a lot of states are bilingual. Government documents are translated into several languages, even Vietnamese, if it needs. They do not make problem from this.
but Marko Bela is not just an ethnic Hungarian, he is an elected politician of Romania. So he has no right to criticise the national day of his country.
How dare you judge that ? Did we impose a national day for Hungary ? Do the few Romanians left in Hungary not respect your national day ? 70% non-Hungarians in Transylvania in 1918, 70%. They do not belong to Hungary, they never will. What ? When in 1892 the authors of the Memorandum were imprisoned for asking equal rights for Romanians, the majority population ? Do you not know anything about our historical suffering ? We don't force Hungarians to like our national day,
You can judge anything even our national day. I hope our national day is not against any minority.
Yes, Romanians were 70% and got 100%. That's the problem.
I know your suffering and I think that Hungarian politics was faulty before WW1, but it does not change these things.
You see that is the problem: you do not bother that a great part of your countrymen could not be glad your national day. So this day is not for all Romania, but only Romanians. Maybe could be an other solution.
Ezt nem teljesen értem. Gyurcsány nem uszít a szlovákok ellen. Ő békét akar. Azt akarja, hogy érvényesítsék a Felvidéken a magyarok jogait mert az EU-ban minden nemzetiséget ugyanolyan jogok illetnek meg. Az más kérdés, ha akaratát nem tudja tökéletesen érvényesíteni. Idehaza tized annyi szlovák nincs mint ahány magyar ott, mégis annyi mindent megkapnak, csak annyit szeretne ha ugyanezt megkapnák a magyarok is.
RevanorSzeged> A szlovák kormányra mondtam, hogy magyarellenességre uszít. Ezt nem mint provokációt mondom, hanem mert így van.
A magyar kormánnyal meg az a bajom, hogy szart se képesek csinálni, csak romba dönteni ezt az országot. Gyávák, semmi tekintélyük nincsen, szó szerint kiröhögik a külföldi politikusok. És igazuk van. Beszélni vmiről kevés. Ide már komoly tettek kellenének. Hol a video, ami bizonyítja a szlvákok álláspontját? Már rég el van felejtve.
...ma mi van Magyarországon? CSődbe megy mindenki. Sorra küldik el az embereket. És ez még nem is volt a csúcs. Azt majd vmikor jövő tavaszra becslik. Ez a kormány úgy ahogy van, szarhoz se ért. De a kurva nagy fizetést mind bezsebeli. Ez a probléma.
A magyar szlovák helyzetről meg annyit, hogy kevés beszélni róla. Semmi nem változott azóta. Semmi garancia nincs arra, hogy ezután a felvidéki magyarok biztonságban lennének. Ez dühít.
Te valószínűleg nem hallgatsz híreket. Naponta előkerült ez a kérdés az eset óta. És akkor mit lehet tenni, ha nem adnak bizonyítékot róla? Akkor tehetetlen balf*sz a magyar kormány?
and afterwards split the profits with the Romanian politicians. So, it's a dirty little game that creates hatred, but I understand Hungarians have territorial claims, so I guess I am being perverted when I speak about peace, because we Romanians "win" by peace, while Hungarians "lose".
Well, I don't know, things like he declared that it has been 90 years of Hungarian suffering, or that Transylvania must become what it was, can annoy people. I mean, Tokes Laszlo was elected Europarliamentary member because of apathy in Moldavia, the UDMR always gets into Parliament because it allies with anyone, and after that it even betrays the interests of the Hungarians who voted for them, I mean, it's just a game to inflamate nationalist sentiment,
You mixes several things. Could not you imagine that it was 90 years of suffering for Hungarians? There was not any Romanization, all minority rights were kept? I know that Romanians suffered under Ceausescu also, but for us it was doubled.
I do not think that Marko said "must become what it was", it was on the EMI meeting you sent me.
UDMR gets into government, not parliament because it allies with anyone and I think it is good. Why does he betray Hungarian interests?
Ah... On December 1, 1918, the representatives of the Romanians in Transylvania voted the union with the Kingdom of Romania, being supported by the Transylvanian Saxons. So, for Marko Bela it is a day of mourning. So you didn't know that for a year Marko Bela was vice-prime minister of Romania ?
plyrgheorghe> No, I said that I knew nothing about his politic (What he was doing). I do not know what Marko Bela did (politically) against Romania. Could you explain it to me? So I could understand.
I think it is very bad that such a day was selected as the most important national holiday. Why could not mourn this day the Hungarians? 1.7 m Hungarians were taken apart from their motherland because of this day. It could not be forgotten. Never will be a Hungarian who could be happy by heart on this day. This is the sad truth.
I accept that it was a big day for Romanians, but was the start of unjustice for us. It could be chosen a better way but did not happen.
Still, Marko Bela as a Romanian parlamentarian should stop talking shit about December 1, and he should start at least pretending he respects it. Not like when his party wanted to talk about autonomy on Romania's National Day. So, it's mostly the politicians who create trouble.
All right people, I think we are turning into the next level of enmity. Let's just calm down.
CocceiusNerva> I have never heard of Romanian cemetery to be altered, nor anything about "hungarisation". So maybe you could enlighten me. If it's true, then I'm sorry for what they did, because it's humiliating and disgraceful.
But I'd have a question for you. Do the Hungarians (in Transylvania) make problems there? Please just honest!
No, the Hungarians from Transilvania don't make any trouble and I, personally, believe that they are hard-working, helpful, admirable people. But their leaders ... hmm! Just like macskafogo007 ... the same stile and desires - they want separatism, and they make propaganda for ethnical hatred, for segregation, almost for racial discrimination - they say they don't want Romanian children in Harghita an Covasna because IT'S BAD FOR SZEKLER ETHNICAL PURITY! This is (the) reality, the one that hurts!
I am as a Hungarian leader? Hoo-hoo-hoo! :-D I never spoke about separatism or ethnical purity, please cite me. I am against of any discrimination. What I am for is equality and freedom. When a Hungarian will be in the same position as a Finnish in Sweden or an Austrian in Italy, I will be happy. Autonomy and self-determination is not from the Devil, Romanians will not lose anything with it, but gain peace an wealth.
That's not a friendly action, no matter what your explanation may be! The true is that terrorists have explanations for their actions too. That's injustice! The Hungarian leaders love to have the power, but to obtain it they instigate the admirable Hungarian population from Romania to ethnical hatred, to discrimination, to illegal acts. We, Romanians want peace and we gave all the good feelings and respect, but the Hungarian leaders want to transform Romanians in slaves in their own country.
Slaves??? Why do you use such pathetic words? We could say the same thing in your style: Hungarians are slaves in their own country. Its stupidity.
Please let me know where and when Hungarian leaders demanded elimination of Romanian population from Secklerland!
What cemetery was named to Hungarian and when?
Exactly what is the injustice? For me it is very similar to the conception of the Magyar Garda, who want "to defend" Hungarians in Hungary from the agressive Gipsies.
I like the Hungarian people, I really do, but I hate what their leaders do, or, to be more precise, what they are trying to do. In Romanian they are against mixt-schools, and the say they are for a multicultural, european, society. All that they want, in fact, is to eliminate the Romanian population from some areas of the country. HUNGARIAN LEADERS FROM ROMANIA FIGHT WITH CHILDREN, WITH THEIR RIGHT TO A NORMAL TREATMENT AND EDUCATION IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!
No. I wasn't accusing ALL Hungarians of being extremists, as you can see, I have several Hungarians in my friends list, they are nice people. What I wrote was a response for those who think minority rights aren't being respected in Romania.
plyrgheorghe> That is very sad and shame. I'm truly sorry for that. That's why I say that Hungarians are not just victims, but perpetrators.
Although I want you all to know that NOT every Romanian, Hungarian or Slovakian are stupid extremist. That's why you have no right to judge a whole nation. Please, remember this!
Did you know baloghroberta, a Hungarian account on YouTube, studies in Baia Mare, in Romania, in an ALL-Hungarian high school ? Did you know my aunt tried to buy a pair of shoes in Szeklerland, but she wasn't attended until her husband asked for it in Hungarian ? (she doesn't speak Hungarian). After he asked in Hungarian, they attended her, but she didn't want anything from that shop anymore, obviously. Hungarians are getting close to becoming the ONLY ethnic group in Hungary. No comment.
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I understand what you say. I just don't understand why you said that in this video the Hungarians are just victims. Of course they're not. I judged the Hungarian government which I think the worst in Europe. I judged the demonstration against Slovakia. I judged the flag burning and the painted and torn off sign-posts.
Anyway, Peace is four time more important than our subjective Justice. So, let it be PEACE, but the Hungarians should try to do more for this peaceful atmosphere. They should stop pretending they are victims, like your video post tries to insinuate
I like the Hungarian people, I really do, but I hate what their leaders do, or, to be more precise, what they are trying to do. In Romanian they are against mixt-schools, and the say they are for a multicultural, european, society. All that they want, in fact, is to eliminate the Romanian population from some areas of the country. HUNGARIAN LEADERS FROM ROMANIA FIGHT WITH CHILDREN, WITH THEIR RIGHT TO A NORMAL TREATMENT AND EDUCATION IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!
I have never heard that they want to eliminate Romanians from any territory. They want schools by their own language, is it too much? Mixed school means Romanian school, where it is allowed some lectures to be held in Hungarian (see Babes-Bolyai). This is not what they want. Let them decide what they need.
Hungarian children are forced to go into Romanian school where they live in minority, so why cannot be the same way where Romanians live in minority?
Please, macskafogo, don't make me speak about this things, because my soul is full of sorrow when I think about the injustices that my Romanian brothers in Harghita and Covasna have to suffer from their Hungarian brothers, and my pain can make me say bad things. Let's not be liars: Hungarian have AT LEAST 2 ALL-HUNGARIAN UNIVERSITIES - SAPIENTIA AND PARTIUM, in Targu Mures and Oradea. Do you hear that: Universities, not schools, not high-schools... But I seems that nothing's enough for you!!!
Dear Cocceius! I have to remember you that not Hungarians are the majority even in Ardeal, they are Romanians who make the laws. In general not the majority have to be defended from the minority but the other way round.
I know that there are 2 universities, both are private, not state, founded by the church and funded by the Hungarian government and private persons! And okey, this is a great achievment, it was a long way to this state, it was hindered for a long time.
Yes, you are perfectly right! IN GENERAL, the majority doesn't have to defend themselves from the minority, but IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, in HARGHITA AND COVASNA, Romanians have to defend themselves from the Hungarian local leaders!
May I remind you about the process of hungarisation that is exerted on the Romanians that resisted there?! Even THE NAMES FROM ROMANIAN CEMETERIES WERE ALTERED!!!
In Harghita and Covasna counties (the so called "Szeklerland") it is only one Romanian high-school on a 100(!)km range! It seems all that the Hungarians want is not a peaceful living, but a segregation, separatism, and all that they feel toward Romanians is the desire to vengeance because.. who knows why?! The mayors and the Hungarians in key positions fight to eliminate that single Romanian high-school. When someone wants something AGAINST A COUNTRY'S FUNDAMENTAL LAW, THAT ONE IS NOT A FRIEND!!
If you can imagine what Romanians suffer in Covasna, that you can imagine the life of those 1.000.000 Hungarians who live outside of Secklerland. Many of them do not have high school by their own language even in 300 km range.
The country's fundemantal law is what the majority want. So it is a bit fake to say this.
The solution is very simple. No. of Hungarian/Romanian children = Hungarian/Romanian school, of course in an appropriate distribution. I think nobody want more than that.
I dont know where are you from, but there are schools and high-schools and colleges with all-hungarian curricula everywhere in Romania. That's not a valid statement. Even the University of Medicine in Targu Mures have a special branch where only tha Hungarian language is used, with Hungarian university teachers. And that's only one example. Just like plyrgheorghe said: don't you imply that minority rights aren't being respected in Romania! Please. Some should stop being a wolf in a sheep's skin!
Yes there are schools, but every Hungarian could learn by his/her own language? Compare those places where live 20% Hungarians similar to Romanians in Secklerland. I dont think so. If its true I will be happy.
I do not say that minority rights not respected at all in Romania, the situation is much better than in the past. But it is far from the fair solution. Anyway, not my opinion is important here, because I do not know well the present situation, but of the Hungarians live there.
I found an English page where it describes that UMTM is the only bilingual university in Eastern Europe. That's nice, I said. Let's see the website of this university (umftgm ro) And what a surprise! There is nowhere a Hungarian word, nowhere a Hungarian version. So you must work on it until it will be called fair. And this university is located in a city where there is almost 50% Hungarians and which is one of the most important center of the Hungarian-populated territory. :(
One more thing CocceiusNerva> if you did not know, then I'll tell you that you are a little wrong about the Magyar Garda. They are first of all against the gypsies-crime HERE IN HUNGARY. In the last couple of years the gypsy crimes got even more and the police does nothing, because they are too afraid of them. NOT AGAINST OTHER NATIONS. All the things they do against Romania or Slovakia are reactions for what happens there. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
What happens in Romania and Slovakia? Aren't the Hungarians aloud to do all that they want?! In Slovakia they have schools in their own national language, and in Romania they rule (by being part of the government) incessantly from 1996. So, if you have something to say against what happens in Romania ... its Hungarian against Hungarian, because they discriminate both Romanians and their Hungarian brothers alike
Ohhh! Let's be serious! Why don't you mention about Jobbik, the extremist party that has iredentistical claims, or the right-wing extremist from Hungary, Magyar Garda, that are causing trouble to the Slovakian border?!!!!! Why don't you say anything about KMKF?! Do you find that normal?!!!! Stop being so false, and stop thinking that you can offer tricks and receive love!
CocceiusNerva> Then let's be serious. In one video, I could not collect all the facts that are against Slovakia and Hungary. Can you forgive me?!?! What I show is the government, policeattack, burning flag, agression from BOTH SIDES!!! It is not against Slovakia!!! If it was , then I would have collected only anti Hungarian events! Do you understand?
I hate when I'm suspected by someone who hasn't done anything at all, except judging. Why did I recieve this message from you?
1:13 - this map was just on the discussion phorum,so someone unknown added this map into there,it was not leading of SNS!If someone wants the article about it,send me PERSONAL MESSAGE i will send it to you...
Anyway,Slota is the biggest idiot,yes!
But Fico,he asked to ban Pospolitost,which is similar like Garda in Hungary! So he banned this fascist organization but Gyurcsany doesnt do the same thing with Garda!
And yes,all those people care for themselves.But Jobbik much worse!
Romania should be seen as an example: UDMR (maghiar minority party) is in parliament; PRM (romanian nationalist party) is out of parliament; I was at Alba Iulia for national day celebration and UDMR has celebrated with romanians.
Hungarians have to bear this burden from now on. They have started the jihad on youtube they will have to defend. They have attacked: Serbia, Romania, Slovakia, Austria and now Poland. There will take too long for hungary to rehabilitate. They should start now to ban their jihadist until is too late ....the damage is done. (romanian)
lupdacic> I think there is nothing about jihad, and you don't know for sure who started it. Actually it doesn't matter anymore, like the border. And (no offense) but haven't you heard the news that how many Hungarian and families were threatened or beaten in Serbia, Slovakia or Romania?
No wonder the Hungarians are angry.
The solution should be not to continue this bullshit but to stop it. Let's stop point fingers to each other. PEACE
I agree with you that Hungarians are threatened in some of these countries but there is a reason for all that. How come Romanians in Vojvodina are not attacked? And in Banat they represent significant minority. Peace can be achieved only by Hungarian minorities, they have started all this, only they can finish it. As i said in my previous comment, they have to integrate in country and society they live and stop with their separatistic movements that are now more open than ever.
I can give you a clear example of Hungarians and Szekely people in Romania. They refuse to learn Romanian language, and recently their separatism has reached the maximum. They demand now that Romanians learn Hungarian language. I folowed your profile for a while, you appear as an inteligent and more-less neutral persona, and i think that you can understand what all this means without an explanation from me.
Hungarians beaten in Romania? U are kidding. I can prove u that when I have tried to reconcile with them as I was part of romanian group they have agressively reject us. Why? PACE
15th March 2008: A Hungarian kid was beaten by 5-6 Romanian in Cluj Napoca in front of a police station.
19th April 2008: Cluj Napoca, unknown perpetrators started beating 3 Hungarian on the road of Baritiu. One of the victims was the presenter of the Paprika Radio.
21st April 2008: Cluj Napoca, Two Hungarian was beaten by 3 Romanian next to the Musicschool of Cluj N. One of the victims' nose was broken.
12th August 2008: A Hungarian was hit by two drunk Romanian when he stepped out of a restaurant in Cluj Napoca.
I believe you that you've tried and I believe you that Some Hungarians are stupid and agressive. I don't wanna argue with you, we're just talking, and I'm just telling you the facts, that Hungarians ARE beaten even in Romania. That does NOT mean that all the Romanians are shitheads! Just a couple, like in Hungary. Simple as that! Peace!
This happen where is love ;))) Regarding ur claims, probably only one is hate related beating (the one from 15th march). I condemn that. There is no excuse for such a behaviour...
I ain't saying all these things to prove my right. These are just facts.
But I say that people from ALL countries are responsible for the happenings which are going on. That includes Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Serbia.
But we must not forget that they are just the minority. Most people want nothing bad for the others.
I'm really looking forward to that day when Hungary and Romania is going to do something huge, something important together. That would get people closer.
The only problem beside Albanians in the Balkans is Hungarian minority in Romania,Serbia and Slovakia. I don`t understand, why can`t they live like normal people, without separatist movements, why can`t they just integrate in country and society they live in...
That's a good question, iadrianyu. Is there any other nation in Europe whose 1/3 of population were forced to live in foreign countries? And after this separation their minority rights were trampled on?
Speaking about present, Hungarian minorities do not want separatism, but self-government, same rights with the majority nation. I think they are integrated rather well in the country, but they have also own society life. Why is it so important to be melted in?
Hungarian minority is NOT well integrated anywhere from any point of view. Atlest not in Romania and Serbia. It not important to be melted in (as Romanians did in Hungary and Serbia), it`s important to integrate in the society they live in. "Great Hungary" was an abominition, and they can`t live with that kind of ideas. I am just saying that they should learn the language of the country they live in and to respect the majority nation as we respect them.
They dont want to learn the language of the conquerors. They were living in Hungary for 1000 years then because of a stupid Trianon pact they became part of a new country that dont even existed before (e.g. slovakia) and they must learn a new language... they won't. Why should they nobody wants to assimilate to conquerors.
You mistake. Romanians in Hungary are not melted in, they have own basic and secondary schools, etc. Of course their situation couldnot be comparable to a 1.5 m minority, because they are only 10,000. There is a "minority self-government" system in Hungary, which support the cultural and social life of minorities. Even in my district in Budapest there is a Romanian Self-government, where their number could be not more than 100.
Sane Hungarians do not speak about "Great Hungary". There are of course extremists who do, but not more than Romanians dreaming about Great Romania. Officially Hungary accepted Trianon borders several times. So please forget it forever.
I think the majority of Hungarians in Romania speak Romanian. But why should they learn it obligatory? They should have right using their own language everywhere, where they have significant ratio. It worked same even in the Monarchy.
This time I agree with macskafogo007. No one should be forced to learn another language, except if they think it would good for them to live easier. The fact that they live in Romania now was not their decisions.
If they want to learn Romanian to live easier they will.
And I don't think they wouldn't respect the culture in that country they live.
Respect should be mutual!
And no one should be forced to do anything against their will.
I would add that respect could not be forced, it will come if the other party deserves it. If Hungarians could learn AND use their own language wherever it is possible, they would learn happily Romanian. Similar to Switzerland, where almost everybody knows the other nation's language. (It's just an example.)
I have just seen a film about Csangos. In it a Romanian teacher admits, that after the intro of the learning of Hungarian, their pupils learnt better also Romanian.
If they live in Romania they should know Romanian and so on for other states if they want to integrate in the society they live in. What else? That the majority learn the language of a minority? I don`t think so. Romanians that live in Hungary now, not by their decision too, they all know Hungarian, in fact they are so assimilated that they don`t speak Romanian any more. A part of my answer is in the comment for macskafogo007.
What Great Romania? Unification with Moldova? If that, that is not Great Romania, that is the natural state for Romanians. Hungarian minority in Romania HAS the right to use their language everywhere, in fact, they use ONLY their language in Romania, that is one of the reasons why they don`t speak Romanian.
Plus Dobrudzha, Timok Valley, North-Bukovina, South-Ukraine, territories to Tisa, etc. I propose not to start a discussion what is natural and what is not. Anyway, I support the unification with Moldova if they want it, based on the right of people to self-determination. By the same principle I support autonomy of minorities - if they want it.
Man, I have just posted an example about the website of the only one bilingual university of Eastern Europe. It's not true.
The capacity for getting along with our neighbor depends to a large extent on the capacity for getting along with ourselves. The self-respecting individual will try to be as tolerant of his neighbor's shortcomings as he is of his own.
Great Video bugroach, but sad story !
The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because generally they are the same people.
- I have seen pictures about Hungarian "fans" in the stadium showing big signs defaming Slovakia and Slota, so it was not without any reason.
- Do not try to mix the responsibility of the two governments: in the Slovakian there is a racist party, in the Hungarian there is not. Nobody from the Hungarian Parliament made any offensive speech. Peace could not be reached with "gleichschalting" different sides and views, to give a slap here and there equally.
macskafogo007> I can clearly see the the meaning of your comment. However the fact that the Hungarian government has not done anything yet means that they are equal with the Slovakian government. Their cowardice just poisons the contact among the two countries.
I have seen videos about Hungarian and Slovakian mayors playing football together showing the peace.
The Hungarian government made no offensive speech, that's true, but they did nothing at all.
By the way I also disapprove of anything against Slovakia. And the fans had a couple of anti Slovakian flags.
My video shows that none of the governments do anything to bring peace to the both countries. However it would be their duty!!! But they just lie and cheat.
What should the H. government do? Some call them coward, some arrogant. Gyurcsany met with the Slovak prime minister, Göncz foreign minister called in the Slovak ambassador to protest against the brutality. We several times asked for proofs. I do not see what else could be done, why is it nothing?
I also have seen the soccer match, it was very encouraging, but politicians could not follow that way.
Meanwhile there is a quarrel about Hungarian names in textbooks, also in Slovakia.
Talking about problems is not enough, it's like nothing. Acting and solving them should be the right way.
A lot of anti-Slovakian and anti-Hungarian events (demonstrations, beatings, outrages) have already happened. And no one in Slovakia or in Hungary has been called to account. No one is in jail. There are dozens of things the government could do but they won't. That tape the Slovakian claimed is proof is already forgotten. I am afraid that nothing's gonna happen
My comment might sound a little strong but I am disappointed in the government.
You seem to be a smart man, and I respect you. Of course we can have some clash of views, because we are all different. But I don't want the discussion to turn into wrangling.
Regarding Hungary, you are wrong: the boy who fired the Slovak flag is in jail; to make demonstrations is a human right, it is lawful; the H. politicians did not make a word in order to defend the right-wing neofascists who marched in Zolyom (or where?); H. authorities tried to capture those who painted the Slovak signs. There were not any beatings in Hungary. The tape is not forgotten but we could not get it by force.
Talking means acting in politics. And they are hindered by the political situation: if the gov. take too friendly moves it will be counted as weakness by the opposition (even now that is the situation).
We shall not wait for politicians to reach peace: the soccer match was a good example: writers, poets, actors, the intelligentsia shall make moves and show that everything can be solved by open and friendly dialogue.
SLOVAKIA IS NOT HUNGARIA .... F*ck all Hungarian gtf ...
jarolp1 3 months ago
fuck Totia(slovakia)!!!
ottlik86 11 months ago
YOU MOTHERFUCKERS!!!
zoleecamper 11 months ago
2008 legnagyobb problémája a világra nézve hogy a térképen Szlovákia helyére nem Felvidék van írva.
GorgenGortex 1 year ago
Én csak a szarházi szloták politikusokat utálom....
ficzeremarcell 1 year ago
Z tohto videa to vyzerá, ako keby viac zločinov napáchali Slováci, pritom to nie je vôbec pravda. Prečo si tam dal Kaliňáka a Fica? Oni nie sú nacionalisti, sú len obyčajní zlodeji a navyše idú aj proti slovenským občanom - hlavne kaliňák a jeho nový cestný zakon. Video by si mal prepracovať!
13domino88 2 years ago
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TheSlovakPatriot 2 years ago
Čo sa týka incidentov, tak sú zbytočne zveličené a nafúknuté médiami. Píšu len to, čo sa im povie, veľakrát nie PRAVDU. Naše a žiadne iné média na SVETE nie sú objektívne.
TheSlovakPatriot 2 years ago
.P.E.A.C.E. for all people !
emtec212 2 years ago
WHATS THE SONGNAME ?? PLEASE REPLY !!
Pain5k 2 years ago
The countersign of judeo-cionist Order:
Divide and Couquer!
1982Salvaje 2 years ago
to podla mna neni prawda o tom slotovi... my sme nikdy neboli zavysli od madarska!!! oni tu chcu mat autonomiu tak???
Pux36 2 years ago
ok, try in English if you got balls, because not everybody speaks Slovakian.
Thank you.
hungaryromania 2 years ago
It is sad to see this is going on, it makes me very angry the stupidity and blindness of some people, especially the ones that are representing people who elected them and put their own stupid showinistic agenda before the interest and wellfare of the nation. There has to be enough sane people on both sides to stop this insanity and remow the idiots from their offices. They should be rolled in the tar and feathers and chased out of town like in good old days
milanmacejko 2 years ago
Jaaaaj Hedviga Malinova...tu ked vidim tak jej prajem aby ju ty skinheadi fakt chytili a dobili jak zito!
Yurkinko 2 years ago 6
nice video....peace
Petttyyy 3 years ago 15
I HAVE A DREAM: SLOVAK-HUNGARIAN FRIENDSHIP. Please, Brothers, support it!
BasserPeti 3 years ago 23
4:26 - That part of video: I thought that only Slovakian names were over painted by Hungarians. And truth is that it was done from the both sides. This is proof, that our (Slovakian) media are paid for making this conflict grow. Not a simple word about Slovakian anti-Hungarian activity that kind in our media, if my information is good.
okmasko 3 years ago
That's exactly the most disgusting thing the media or the government does. They make the media angle the news like the "other country" is evil hiding their own beastlenesses and their dirty cases to reach their selfish intentions.
I bet that it's not you the only one who did not know what the truth is.
The truth is that the most people have false pictures about the other country based on what they are told by the government.
bugroach 3 years ago
Did you know that:
- There are couple of more videos about the peace among Hungary and Slovakia here on YouTube,
- On Facebook there are websites about the peace between Hungary and Slovakia having already more than 7000 members from both sides,
bugroach 3 years ago
- Slovak and Hun mayors of villages, towns organized a soccer game in Hungary for the friendship a couple of weeks ago, after this they celebrated with Gulyás (Goulash) and halusky :)
bugroach 3 years ago
You see there are friendship between us but the media and the government hide these facts, they don't show them on the tv.
For some reasons they don't want the end of this enmity.
I just hope that normal Slovaks don't believe those crap what Fico or slota tells them about the Hungarians.
Peace!!!
bugroach 3 years ago
we're brother nations... just get on have a life. stop creating problems. i'm hungarian and i know 5 slovakians with no problem to hungary at all and they speak fluent magyar. i'm fluent in hungarian and english. peace to the world.
toth1971 3 years ago 5
Not everyone hates Hungarians. Many people don't have anything against them, including myself. But some people, including myself, are annoyed by the Hungarians who make territorial claims.
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago 4
I feel that everybody hate Hungary.I don't know why.I'm from Hungary and I'm very sad..
Tesco4eva 3 years ago
dont worry about it. the national anthem says it all. if you read the words. koszonom szepen
toth1971 3 years ago
Put the negative sign here, if you read the message right below this, and you agree.
bugroach 3 years ago 2
All right, a lot of people, mostly Slovakian don't agree with this video, because it is more likely against Slovakia.
I have to say that I did not intend to make an anti-Slovakin video. Thought it is against the government from both sides. (Gyurcsány, Göncz, Fico, slota, you know who I'm talking about.) Plus against the extremism, injustice, corruption and abuse of the administrative authority.
hungaryromania 3 years ago
So if you people (particularly Slovakian) think that it is more likely against Slovakia, then put a negative sign. If there will be 10 of it, then I'm going to erase this video.
Thank you, and peace!
(bugroach)
hungaryromania 3 years ago
This video is showing Slovakia as an assault country! I dont agree because we were maybe just protecting ourselves from hungarian.They are trying to assimilate us into picture of theirs.
simko712 3 years ago
it is sad that what some people consider to be a protection... i dont speak about the football match as there were lot of provocations from both sides... and our police acted as they usually acts (with brutality)... but i beg your pardon, did you say magyars are assimilating you? obviously you know nothing about the demography of Slovakia...
DamnedNationalists 3 years ago
So you agree with Romanians speaking Romanian in Szeklerland and any place with Hungarian majority ?
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
Of course, by rules mutually accepted, along the common sense. For example, where the ratio of the other nation equal 20% or more, there this language should be used officially. Or something like that.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
But I have to say it's a good message
jeanpierreSK 3 years ago
jeanpierreSK> The whole Malina case was investigated only two weeks. So you say that all the pictures that were made of her with scars on her face, the two medical reports are fake? And the people who find her they lie? Believe me, everything I said was find on the internet.
Now Hedvig Malina finished her studies, married her boyfriend (Slovakian Peter Zak) and they have a baby. Now why would she lie about it?
bugroach 3 years ago
jeanpierreSK> I never talked about fascist, you shouldn't either.
2 or 3 politicians? Is this serious that you argue with me on this? I'll tell you I could list all the Hungarian politicians, they are all pricks. It's the same on both sides with one exception (jan slota).
But we (Hungarians) know that he is just one man, not the whole country.
bugroach 3 years ago
jeanpierreSK>"3- Police brutality, burning flags,yealling something against the oher. Is this happening more in Slovakia than in Hungary?"
Yes, it is. No, offense, but it happens a lot more. Of course that doesn't mean that it never happens in Hungary. It does, and I don't know why you say that we must be the most tolerant nation in Europe. Of course we're not. Correct me if I'm wrong but no anti-Slovakian in our government and no Slovakian in Hungary were beaten.
bugroach 3 years ago
jeanpierreSK> Anything what Hungarian does against Slovakia is sorrowful and wrong. I never doubt it.
But this video is the same against the Hungarian government and anti-Slovakian, as against anti-Hungarian and the Slovakian government, and That's why it's not a propaganda. These are just series of facts, which we should face. Like a chain-reaction. One thing follows another. No need to find out who started it. IT ALL MUST BE STOPPED!
Peace brothers!
bugroach 3 years ago
well said. hungary are a very proud and sad nation. only from there history. lovely country lovely people too.
toth1971 3 years ago
to macscafogo007: you say: please one of them. one of them what? other detail?
OK. For example "Hungary: ANGRY Hungarians are burning a Slovakian flag""Slovakia: Slovakians are burning a Hungarian flag" --> so only the Hungarians are angry? Do you know how many times Hungarians have burned a Slovakian flag before (and vice versa)?
Other
jeanpierreSK 3 years ago
What do you talk about? I asked for proof of assimilation of Romanians in Hungary, what iadrianyu stated.
Yes, there are a lot of angry and stupid Hungarians. I beg your pardon instead of them.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
I thought Puerto Rico was an independent state, but I always was bad at Geography. Well, I don't mind Hungarians having institutions in Hungarian, but Romanians living there also need to have the right to be spoken to in Romanian. And what about Romanians from outside Szeklerland, who come as tourists ? Are you saying they have to speak in Hungarian or English in shops etc. ?
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
Of course it regards citizens, not tourists. Of course it should be mutual. Anyway, Hungarian minority is a gold pot for the tourism of Romania, so it would be worth to learn some Hungarian. If we go to Istanbul, a lot of Turkish shopkeeper greet us in Hungarian :).
I know a lot of Hungarians from Ardeal, they all speak Romanian more or less, so I do not understand these arguments.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
It's an old trick you stupid fuck, just to suck the money out of you playing on you feelings(being away from home and all).I am pretty sure your body temperature jumped to 50 degrees once you have heard somthing in magyar,and I hope you didnt leave your vallet there because the crook made you happy.Grow up
JergusLapin01 2 years ago
Its all the same, you retarded bastard, if I might greet you the same way. I told it is good to know the other language just because of the business.
Regarding the Turks it is not so simple, because they think we are relatives which is true in some extent.
I have quite grown up. Thanks.
macskafogo007 2 years ago
It is very simple and I understand.Seeing a cigan like yourself in a faraway land you must have been overcome with emotion and feeling of belonging. I hope that you kissed him at least.
JergusLapin01 2 years ago
You missed it, I am not a cigan and never been in Turkey. It was just an example. I regret that it is too hard to understand for you.
macskafogo007 2 years ago
4- Only 2 Hungarians "bad" poliicians and 3 "bad" Slovakian politicians. The same: that mean we are more inhuman etc.
There are other small details making your video a hungarian propaganda.
So if we want peace, everybody should start by himself (his country). If not, like iadrianyu said, a further conversation would not have a sence. Let's really start to think objectively.
jeanpierreSK 3 years ago
I dont think so. Because of the 100 proofs against her (finger prints, post marc, t-shirt, blood, bank transaction.....). So, are you really sure this story is true?
3- Police brutality, burning flags,yealling something against the oher. Is this happening more in Slovakia than in Hungary? Really? So actually you are the most tolerant nation in Europe, what? The burning candles by the Slovakian ambassy. Wow so much humanity!!
jeanpierreSK 3 years ago
2- your map. yes it's really stupid. But do you have it really from the official SNS??? May be you are right, but they are stupid radicals. If you want be objective look all the Great Hungary maps on internet. I could say for example also, that every fifth hungarian deputee has a map of Great Hungary including Slovakia hanging in his car. (Hungarian press)
3- Hedviga. Only 12% of Slovakians believed in hr. Because they are fascist do you mean?
jeanpierreSK 3 years ago
Ok. right, it's not a propaganda. But it's still not objective your video. I can go point by point and show you, where it's still a little propaganda for the good Hungarians and bad Slovakians if you want.
1. "Slovak government (!) says that beating Hungaians (minority) in Slovakia never happens". Very general but- who said that? give a link please. It's not true. I wouldn't say that neither. But it is also not true that all Slovakians wake up and go beat some Hngarians. You know what I mean?
jeanpierreSK 3 years ago
I don't think you can compare Romania or Hungary to Switzerland. By your logic, Romanians in Hungary shouldn't learn Hungarian. Are you suggesting Hispanics in the United States should not learn English, just speak Spanish ? And Chinese people just speak Chinese ?
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
Ardeal is much more common with Switzerland than with US. 1) In USA Hispanics and Chinese are immigrants, Hungarians are natives in Romania. 2) I have never heard about any minority problem in the US. There an officer - if he work on a Spanish-speaking territory - should learn Spanish, and yes, they have right to use their language everywhere: at the police, at the offices, before the law - where they have significant ratio of population. The equality of people means that.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
No, I was wrong, Hispanics are not only immigrants (I mean immigrants of the XX. century), but natives also. But Hispanics consist of a lot of different nations.
And yes, in a lot of states of US Spanish is the official language (like Puerto Rico) and a lot of states are bilingual. Government documents are translated into several languages, even Vietnamese, if it needs. They do not make problem from this.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
but Marko Bela is not just an ethnic Hungarian, he is an elected politician of Romania. So he has no right to criticise the national day of his country.
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
How dare you judge that ? Did we impose a national day for Hungary ? Do the few Romanians left in Hungary not respect your national day ? 70% non-Hungarians in Transylvania in 1918, 70%. They do not belong to Hungary, they never will. What ? When in 1892 the authors of the Memorandum were imprisoned for asking equal rights for Romanians, the majority population ? Do you not know anything about our historical suffering ? We don't force Hungarians to like our national day,
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
You can judge anything even our national day. I hope our national day is not against any minority.
Yes, Romanians were 70% and got 100%. That's the problem.
I know your suffering and I think that Hungarian politics was faulty before WW1, but it does not change these things.
You see that is the problem: you do not bother that a great part of your countrymen could not be glad your national day. So this day is not for all Romania, but only Romanians. Maybe could be an other solution.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Ezt nem teljesen értem. Gyurcsány nem uszít a szlovákok ellen. Ő békét akar. Azt akarja, hogy érvényesítsék a Felvidéken a magyarok jogait mert az EU-ban minden nemzetiséget ugyanolyan jogok illetnek meg. Az más kérdés, ha akaratát nem tudja tökéletesen érvényesíteni. Idehaza tized annyi szlovák nincs mint ahány magyar ott, mégis annyi mindent megkapnak, csak annyit szeretne ha ugyanezt megkapnák a magyarok is.
RevanorSzeged 3 years ago
RevanorSzeged> A szlovák kormányra mondtam, hogy magyarellenességre uszít. Ezt nem mint provokációt mondom, hanem mert így van.
A magyar kormánnyal meg az a bajom, hogy szart se képesek csinálni, csak romba dönteni ezt az országot. Gyávák, semmi tekintélyük nincsen, szó szerint kiröhögik a külföldi politikusok. És igazuk van. Beszélni vmiről kevés. Ide már komoly tettek kellenének. Hol a video, ami bizonyítja a szlvákok álláspontját? Már rég el van felejtve.
bugroach 3 years ago
...ma mi van Magyarországon? CSődbe megy mindenki. Sorra küldik el az embereket. És ez még nem is volt a csúcs. Azt majd vmikor jövő tavaszra becslik. Ez a kormány úgy ahogy van, szarhoz se ért. De a kurva nagy fizetést mind bezsebeli. Ez a probléma.
A magyar szlovák helyzetről meg annyit, hogy kevés beszélni róla. Semmi nem változott azóta. Semmi garancia nincs arra, hogy ezután a felvidéki magyarok biztonságban lennének. Ez dühít.
bugroach 3 years ago
Te valószínűleg nem hallgatsz híreket. Naponta előkerült ez a kérdés az eset óta. És akkor mit lehet tenni, ha nem adnak bizonyítékot róla? Akkor tehetetlen balf*sz a magyar kormány?
macskafogo007 3 years ago
and afterwards split the profits with the Romanian politicians. So, it's a dirty little game that creates hatred, but I understand Hungarians have territorial claims, so I guess I am being perverted when I speak about peace, because we Romanians "win" by peace, while Hungarians "lose".
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
Well, I don't know, things like he declared that it has been 90 years of Hungarian suffering, or that Transylvania must become what it was, can annoy people. I mean, Tokes Laszlo was elected Europarliamentary member because of apathy in Moldavia, the UDMR always gets into Parliament because it allies with anyone, and after that it even betrays the interests of the Hungarians who voted for them, I mean, it's just a game to inflamate nationalist sentiment,
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
You mixes several things. Could not you imagine that it was 90 years of suffering for Hungarians? There was not any Romanization, all minority rights were kept? I know that Romanians suffered under Ceausescu also, but for us it was doubled.
I do not think that Marko said "must become what it was", it was on the EMI meeting you sent me.
UDMR gets into government, not parliament because it allies with anyone and I think it is good. Why does he betray Hungarian interests?
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Ah... On December 1, 1918, the representatives of the Romanians in Transylvania voted the union with the Kingdom of Romania, being supported by the Transylvanian Saxons. So, for Marko Bela it is a day of mourning. So you didn't know that for a year Marko Bela was vice-prime minister of Romania ?
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
plyrgheorghe> No, I said that I knew nothing about his politic (What he was doing). I do not know what Marko Bela did (politically) against Romania. Could you explain it to me? So I could understand.
bugroach 3 years ago
I think it is very bad that such a day was selected as the most important national holiday. Why could not mourn this day the Hungarians? 1.7 m Hungarians were taken apart from their motherland because of this day. It could not be forgotten. Never will be a Hungarian who could be happy by heart on this day. This is the sad truth.
I accept that it was a big day for Romanians, but was the start of unjustice for us. It could be chosen a better way but did not happen.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Still, Marko Bela as a Romanian parlamentarian should stop talking shit about December 1, and he should start at least pretending he respects it. Not like when his party wanted to talk about autonomy on Romania's National Day. So, it's mostly the politicians who create trouble.
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
plyrgheorghe> What's December 1? Sorry if I should know. What does Marko Bela do against Romania? I know nothing about his politic.
bugroach 3 years ago
In Szeklerland some, I hope it won't get worse. But generally I have to say they don't.
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
All right people, I think we are turning into the next level of enmity. Let's just calm down.
CocceiusNerva> I have never heard of Romanian cemetery to be altered, nor anything about "hungarisation". So maybe you could enlighten me. If it's true, then I'm sorry for what they did, because it's humiliating and disgraceful.
But I'd have a question for you. Do the Hungarians (in Transylvania) make problems there? Please just honest!
bugroach 3 years ago
No, the Hungarians from Transilvania don't make any trouble and I, personally, believe that they are hard-working, helpful, admirable people. But their leaders ... hmm! Just like macskafogo007 ... the same stile and desires - they want separatism, and they make propaganda for ethnical hatred, for segregation, almost for racial discrimination - they say they don't want Romanian children in Harghita an Covasna because IT'S BAD FOR SZEKLER ETHNICAL PURITY! This is (the) reality, the one that hurts!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
I am as a Hungarian leader? Hoo-hoo-hoo! :-D I never spoke about separatism or ethnical purity, please cite me. I am against of any discrimination. What I am for is equality and freedom. When a Hungarian will be in the same position as a Finnish in Sweden or an Austrian in Italy, I will be happy. Autonomy and self-determination is not from the Devil, Romanians will not lose anything with it, but gain peace an wealth.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
That's not a friendly action, no matter what your explanation may be! The true is that terrorists have explanations for their actions too. That's injustice! The Hungarian leaders love to have the power, but to obtain it they instigate the admirable Hungarian population from Romania to ethnical hatred, to discrimination, to illegal acts. We, Romanians want peace and we gave all the good feelings and respect, but the Hungarian leaders want to transform Romanians in slaves in their own country.
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
Slaves??? Why do you use such pathetic words? We could say the same thing in your style: Hungarians are slaves in their own country. Its stupidity.
Please let me know where and when Hungarian leaders demanded elimination of Romanian population from Secklerland!
What cemetery was named to Hungarian and when?
Exactly what is the injustice? For me it is very similar to the conception of the Magyar Garda, who want "to defend" Hungarians in Hungary from the agressive Gipsies.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
I like the Hungarian people, I really do, but I hate what their leaders do, or, to be more precise, what they are trying to do. In Romanian they are against mixt-schools, and the say they are for a multicultural, european, society. All that they want, in fact, is to eliminate the Romanian population from some areas of the country. HUNGARIAN LEADERS FROM ROMANIA FIGHT WITH CHILDREN, WITH THEIR RIGHT TO A NORMAL TREATMENT AND EDUCATION IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
No. I wasn't accusing ALL Hungarians of being extremists, as you can see, I have several Hungarians in my friends list, they are nice people. What I wrote was a response for those who think minority rights aren't being respected in Romania.
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
plyrgheorghe> That is very sad and shame. I'm truly sorry for that. That's why I say that Hungarians are not just victims, but perpetrators.
Although I want you all to know that NOT every Romanian, Hungarian or Slovakian are stupid extremist. That's why you have no right to judge a whole nation. Please, remember this!
Peace!
hungaryromania 3 years ago
Did you know baloghroberta, a Hungarian account on YouTube, studies in Baia Mare, in Romania, in an ALL-Hungarian high school ? Did you know my aunt tried to buy a pair of shoes in Szeklerland, but she wasn't attended until her husband asked for it in Hungarian ? (she doesn't speak Hungarian). After he asked in Hungarian, they attended her, but she didn't want anything from that shop anymore, obviously. Hungarians are getting close to becoming the ONLY ethnic group in Hungary. No comment.
plyrgheorghe 3 years ago
For the good relations between Hungarians and Slovaks!
Today, in time of growing tensions between the extremists and some politicians on both sides is important that decent people can fundamentally position themselves when facing situation. And moreover, to stop escalation of current tensions between Slovaks and Hungarians with mutual active effort.
TransCarpathia 3 years ago 2
We do hear extremists but not decent people from both states. Media coverage has been focusing on mutual verbal and extremist attacks, but not on positive aspects of relationship between two nations.
Therefore this Facebook group was established with ambition to help cease escalation of hostilities and contribute to repeated convergence of Slovaks and Hungarians.
- w w w . facebook . com/ group.php?gid=37745036485&ref= m
TransCarpathia 3 years ago 2
People need to learn to accepet each other and move on....
Viki1112 3 years ago
I understand what you say. I just don't understand why you said that in this video the Hungarians are just victims. Of course they're not. I judged the Hungarian government which I think the worst in Europe. I judged the demonstration against Slovakia. I judged the flag burning and the painted and torn off sign-posts.
Does it really seem that Hungarians are victims?
bugroach 3 years ago
Anyway, Peace is four time more important than our subjective Justice. So, let it be PEACE, but the Hungarians should try to do more for this peaceful atmosphere. They should stop pretending they are victims, like your video post tries to insinuate
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
I like the Hungarian people, I really do, but I hate what their leaders do, or, to be more precise, what they are trying to do. In Romanian they are against mixt-schools, and the say they are for a multicultural, european, society. All that they want, in fact, is to eliminate the Romanian population from some areas of the country. HUNGARIAN LEADERS FROM ROMANIA FIGHT WITH CHILDREN, WITH THEIR RIGHT TO A NORMAL TREATMENT AND EDUCATION IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
I have never heard that they want to eliminate Romanians from any territory. They want schools by their own language, is it too much? Mixed school means Romanian school, where it is allowed some lectures to be held in Hungarian (see Babes-Bolyai). This is not what they want. Let them decide what they need.
Hungarian children are forced to go into Romanian school where they live in minority, so why cannot be the same way where Romanians live in minority?
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Please, macskafogo, don't make me speak about this things, because my soul is full of sorrow when I think about the injustices that my Romanian brothers in Harghita and Covasna have to suffer from their Hungarian brothers, and my pain can make me say bad things. Let's not be liars: Hungarian have AT LEAST 2 ALL-HUNGARIAN UNIVERSITIES - SAPIENTIA AND PARTIUM, in Targu Mures and Oradea. Do you hear that: Universities, not schools, not high-schools... But I seems that nothing's enough for you!!!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
Dear Cocceius! I have to remember you that not Hungarians are the majority even in Ardeal, they are Romanians who make the laws. In general not the majority have to be defended from the minority but the other way round.
I know that there are 2 universities, both are private, not state, founded by the church and funded by the Hungarian government and private persons! And okey, this is a great achievment, it was a long way to this state, it was hindered for a long time.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Yes, you are perfectly right! IN GENERAL, the majority doesn't have to defend themselves from the minority, but IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, in HARGHITA AND COVASNA, Romanians have to defend themselves from the Hungarian local leaders!
May I remind you about the process of hungarisation that is exerted on the Romanians that resisted there?! Even THE NAMES FROM ROMANIAN CEMETERIES WERE ALTERED!!!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
In Harghita and Covasna counties (the so called "Szeklerland") it is only one Romanian high-school on a 100(!)km range! It seems all that the Hungarians want is not a peaceful living, but a segregation, separatism, and all that they feel toward Romanians is the desire to vengeance because.. who knows why?! The mayors and the Hungarians in key positions fight to eliminate that single Romanian high-school. When someone wants something AGAINST A COUNTRY'S FUNDAMENTAL LAW, THAT ONE IS NOT A FRIEND!!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
If you can imagine what Romanians suffer in Covasna, that you can imagine the life of those 1.000.000 Hungarians who live outside of Secklerland. Many of them do not have high school by their own language even in 300 km range.
The country's fundemantal law is what the majority want. So it is a bit fake to say this.
The solution is very simple. No. of Hungarian/Romanian children = Hungarian/Romanian school, of course in an appropriate distribution. I think nobody want more than that.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
I dont know where are you from, but there are schools and high-schools and colleges with all-hungarian curricula everywhere in Romania. That's not a valid statement. Even the University of Medicine in Targu Mures have a special branch where only tha Hungarian language is used, with Hungarian university teachers. And that's only one example. Just like plyrgheorghe said: don't you imply that minority rights aren't being respected in Romania! Please. Some should stop being a wolf in a sheep's skin!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
Yes there are schools, but every Hungarian could learn by his/her own language? Compare those places where live 20% Hungarians similar to Romanians in Secklerland. I dont think so. If its true I will be happy.
I do not say that minority rights not respected at all in Romania, the situation is much better than in the past. But it is far from the fair solution. Anyway, not my opinion is important here, because I do not know well the present situation, but of the Hungarians live there.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
I found an English page where it describes that UMTM is the only bilingual university in Eastern Europe. That's nice, I said. Let's see the website of this university (umftgm ro) And what a surprise! There is nowhere a Hungarian word, nowhere a Hungarian version. So you must work on it until it will be called fair. And this university is located in a city where there is almost 50% Hungarians and which is one of the most important center of the Hungarian-populated territory. :(
macskafogo007 3 years ago
One more thing CocceiusNerva> if you did not know, then I'll tell you that you are a little wrong about the Magyar Garda. They are first of all against the gypsies-crime HERE IN HUNGARY. In the last couple of years the gypsy crimes got even more and the police does nothing, because they are too afraid of them. NOT AGAINST OTHER NATIONS. All the things they do against Romania or Slovakia are reactions for what happens there. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
bugroach 3 years ago
What happens in Romania and Slovakia? Aren't the Hungarians aloud to do all that they want?! In Slovakia they have schools in their own national language, and in Romania they rule (by being part of the government) incessantly from 1996. So, if you have something to say against what happens in Romania ... its Hungarian against Hungarian, because they discriminate both Romanians and their Hungarian brothers alike
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
Ohhh! Let's be serious! Why don't you mention about Jobbik, the extremist party that has iredentistical claims, or the right-wing extremist from Hungary, Magyar Garda, that are causing trouble to the Slovakian border?!!!!! Why don't you say anything about KMKF?! Do you find that normal?!!!! Stop being so false, and stop thinking that you can offer tricks and receive love!
CocceiusNerva 3 years ago
CocceiusNerva> Then let's be serious. In one video, I could not collect all the facts that are against Slovakia and Hungary. Can you forgive me?!?! What I show is the government, policeattack, burning flag, agression from BOTH SIDES!!! It is not against Slovakia!!! If it was , then I would have collected only anti Hungarian events! Do you understand?
I hate when I'm suspected by someone who hasn't done anything at all, except judging. Why did I recieve this message from you?
bugroach 3 years ago
I talked about both countries' problems. What is part of the video which tells you that it all against Slovakia? Huh?
bugroach 3 years ago
hi my frends! It was very interesting.
ykpnowta 3 years ago
1:13 - this map was just on the discussion phorum,so someone unknown added this map into there,it was not leading of SNS!If someone wants the article about it,send me PERSONAL MESSAGE i will send it to you...
Anyway,Slota is the biggest idiot,yes!
But Fico,he asked to ban Pospolitost,which is similar like Garda in Hungary! So he banned this fascist organization but Gyurcsany doesnt do the same thing with Garda!
And yes,all those people care for themselves.But Jobbik much worse!
vicko77 3 years ago
Romania should be seen as an example: UDMR (maghiar minority party) is in parliament; PRM (romanian nationalist party) is out of parliament; I was at Alba Iulia for national day celebration and UDMR has celebrated with romanians.
lupdacic 3 years ago
Hungarians have to bear this burden from now on. They have started the jihad on youtube they will have to defend. They have attacked: Serbia, Romania, Slovakia, Austria and now Poland. There will take too long for hungary to rehabilitate. They should start now to ban their jihadist until is too late ....the damage is done. (romanian)
lupdacic 3 years ago
lupdacic> I think there is nothing about jihad, and you don't know for sure who started it. Actually it doesn't matter anymore, like the border. And (no offense) but haven't you heard the news that how many Hungarian and families were threatened or beaten in Serbia, Slovakia or Romania?
No wonder the Hungarians are angry.
The solution should be not to continue this bullshit but to stop it. Let's stop point fingers to each other. PEACE
bugroach 3 years ago
I agree with you that Hungarians are threatened in some of these countries but there is a reason for all that. How come Romanians in Vojvodina are not attacked? And in Banat they represent significant minority. Peace can be achieved only by Hungarian minorities, they have started all this, only they can finish it. As i said in my previous comment, they have to integrate in country and society they live and stop with their separatistic movements that are now more open than ever.
iadrianyu 3 years ago
I can give you a clear example of Hungarians and Szekely people in Romania. They refuse to learn Romanian language, and recently their separatism has reached the maximum. They demand now that Romanians learn Hungarian language. I folowed your profile for a while, you appear as an inteligent and more-less neutral persona, and i think that you can understand what all this means without an explanation from me.
iadrianyu 3 years ago
Hungarians beaten in Romania? U are kidding. I can prove u that when I have tried to reconcile with them as I was part of romanian group they have agressively reject us. Why? PACE
lupdacic 3 years ago
lupdacic> No, I'm not kidding.
15th March 2008: A Hungarian kid was beaten by 5-6 Romanian in Cluj Napoca in front of a police station.
19th April 2008: Cluj Napoca, unknown perpetrators started beating 3 Hungarian on the road of Baritiu. One of the victims was the presenter of the Paprika Radio.
21st April 2008: Cluj Napoca, Two Hungarian was beaten by 3 Romanian next to the Musicschool of Cluj N. One of the victims' nose was broken.
bugroach 3 years ago
12th August 2008: A Hungarian was hit by two drunk Romanian when he stepped out of a restaurant in Cluj Napoca.
I believe you that you've tried and I believe you that Some Hungarians are stupid and agressive. I don't wanna argue with you, we're just talking, and I'm just telling you the facts, that Hungarians ARE beaten even in Romania. That does NOT mean that all the Romanians are shitheads! Just a couple, like in Hungary. Simple as that! Peace!
bugroach 3 years ago
This happen where is love ;))) Regarding ur claims, probably only one is hate related beating (the one from 15th march). I condemn that. There is no excuse for such a behaviour...
lupdacic 3 years ago
I ain't saying all these things to prove my right. These are just facts.
But I say that people from ALL countries are responsible for the happenings which are going on. That includes Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Serbia.
But we must not forget that they are just the minority. Most people want nothing bad for the others.
I'm really looking forward to that day when Hungary and Romania is going to do something huge, something important together. That would get people closer.
bugroach 3 years ago
There is no provocative comments yet. Thank you for that.
And I ask you not to write provocative comments. You can tell you opinion in civilized way.
bugroach 3 years ago
jan slota is an idiot. slovakia has no army so they couldnt occupy east hungary.
bence4000 3 years ago
bence4000> Indeed slota is an idiot, but Slovakia does have army. And:
Available for military service in Slovakia: 1,484,567
Available for military service in Hungary: 2,660,000
bugroach 3 years ago
ps: Great video, i used the same music on my video about Romania but Hungarian separatists reported me and now my video has no music :).
iadrianyu 3 years ago
The only problem beside Albanians in the Balkans is Hungarian minority in Romania,Serbia and Slovakia. I don`t understand, why can`t they live like normal people, without separatist movements, why can`t they just integrate in country and society they live in...
iadrianyu 3 years ago
That's a good question, iadrianyu. Is there any other nation in Europe whose 1/3 of population were forced to live in foreign countries? And after this separation their minority rights were trampled on?
Speaking about present, Hungarian minorities do not want separatism, but self-government, same rights with the majority nation. I think they are integrated rather well in the country, but they have also own society life. Why is it so important to be melted in?
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Hungarian minority is NOT well integrated anywhere from any point of view. Atlest not in Romania and Serbia. It not important to be melted in (as Romanians did in Hungary and Serbia), it`s important to integrate in the society they live in. "Great Hungary" was an abominition, and they can`t live with that kind of ideas. I am just saying that they should learn the language of the country they live in and to respect the majority nation as we respect them.
iadrianyu 3 years ago
They dont want to learn the language of the conquerors. They were living in Hungary for 1000 years then because of a stupid Trianon pact they became part of a new country that dont even existed before (e.g. slovakia) and they must learn a new language... they won't. Why should they nobody wants to assimilate to conquerors.
Verdisyofi 3 years ago
You mistake. Romanians in Hungary are not melted in, they have own basic and secondary schools, etc. Of course their situation couldnot be comparable to a 1.5 m minority, because they are only 10,000. There is a "minority self-government" system in Hungary, which support the cultural and social life of minorities. Even in my district in Budapest there is a Romanian Self-government, where their number could be not more than 100.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
I don`t think that our furhter conversation would go anywhere. I have proof that Romanians are assimilated in Hungary.
iadrianyu 3 years ago
Please name one of them. If you cannot it is just an insinuation.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Sane Hungarians do not speak about "Great Hungary". There are of course extremists who do, but not more than Romanians dreaming about Great Romania. Officially Hungary accepted Trianon borders several times. So please forget it forever.
I think the majority of Hungarians in Romania speak Romanian. But why should they learn it obligatory? They should have right using their own language everywhere, where they have significant ratio. It worked same even in the Monarchy.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
This time I agree with macskafogo007. No one should be forced to learn another language, except if they think it would good for them to live easier. The fact that they live in Romania now was not their decisions.
If they want to learn Romanian to live easier they will.
And I don't think they wouldn't respect the culture in that country they live.
Respect should be mutual!
And no one should be forced to do anything against their will.
This comment is for iadrianyu's comment.
(No provocation)
hungaryromania 3 years ago
I'm sorry. It's bugroach. I forgot to change my name.
hungaryromania 3 years ago
I would add that respect could not be forced, it will come if the other party deserves it. If Hungarians could learn AND use their own language wherever it is possible, they would learn happily Romanian. Similar to Switzerland, where almost everybody knows the other nation's language. (It's just an example.)
I have just seen a film about Csangos. In it a Romanian teacher admits, that after the intro of the learning of Hungarian, their pupils learnt better also Romanian.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
If they live in Romania they should know Romanian and so on for other states if they want to integrate in the society they live in. What else? That the majority learn the language of a minority? I don`t think so. Romanians that live in Hungary now, not by their decision too, they all know Hungarian, in fact they are so assimilated that they don`t speak Romanian any more. A part of my answer is in the comment for macskafogo007.
iadrianyu 3 years ago
What Great Romania? Unification with Moldova? If that, that is not Great Romania, that is the natural state for Romanians. Hungarian minority in Romania HAS the right to use their language everywhere, in fact, they use ONLY their language in Romania, that is one of the reasons why they don`t speak Romanian.
iadrianyu 3 years ago
Plus Dobrudzha, Timok Valley, North-Bukovina, South-Ukraine, territories to Tisa, etc. I propose not to start a discussion what is natural and what is not. Anyway, I support the unification with Moldova if they want it, based on the right of people to self-determination. By the same principle I support autonomy of minorities - if they want it.
Man, I have just posted an example about the website of the only one bilingual university of Eastern Europe. It's not true.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
The capacity for getting along with our neighbor depends to a large extent on the capacity for getting along with ourselves. The self-respecting individual will try to be as tolerant of his neighbor's shortcomings as he is of his own.
Great Video bugroach, but sad story !
The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because generally they are the same people.
TransCarpathia 3 years ago
2 comments:
- I have seen pictures about Hungarian "fans" in the stadium showing big signs defaming Slovakia and Slota, so it was not without any reason.
- Do not try to mix the responsibility of the two governments: in the Slovakian there is a racist party, in the Hungarian there is not. Nobody from the Hungarian Parliament made any offensive speech. Peace could not be reached with "gleichschalting" different sides and views, to give a slap here and there equally.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
macskafogo007> I can clearly see the the meaning of your comment. However the fact that the Hungarian government has not done anything yet means that they are equal with the Slovakian government. Their cowardice just poisons the contact among the two countries.
I have seen videos about Hungarian and Slovakian mayors playing football together showing the peace.
The Hungarian government made no offensive speech, that's true, but they did nothing at all.
bugroach 3 years ago
By the way I also disapprove of anything against Slovakia. And the fans had a couple of anti Slovakian flags.
My video shows that none of the governments do anything to bring peace to the both countries. However it would be their duty!!! But they just lie and cheat.
bugroach 3 years ago
This video is not against the people, it is against the governments.
bugroach 3 years ago
What should the H. government do? Some call them coward, some arrogant. Gyurcsany met with the Slovak prime minister, Göncz foreign minister called in the Slovak ambassador to protest against the brutality. We several times asked for proofs. I do not see what else could be done, why is it nothing?
I also have seen the soccer match, it was very encouraging, but politicians could not follow that way.
Meanwhile there is a quarrel about Hungarian names in textbooks, also in Slovakia.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Talking about problems is not enough, it's like nothing. Acting and solving them should be the right way.
A lot of anti-Slovakian and anti-Hungarian events (demonstrations, beatings, outrages) have already happened. And no one in Slovakia or in Hungary has been called to account. No one is in jail. There are dozens of things the government could do but they won't. That tape the Slovakian claimed is proof is already forgotten. I am afraid that nothing's gonna happen
bugroach 3 years ago
My comment might sound a little strong but I am disappointed in the government.
You seem to be a smart man, and I respect you. Of course we can have some clash of views, because we are all different. But I don't want the discussion to turn into wrangling.
bugroach 3 years ago
The impersonal hand of government can never replace the helping hand of a neighbor.
TransCarpathia 3 years ago
We are talking, no problem.
Regarding Hungary, you are wrong: the boy who fired the Slovak flag is in jail; to make demonstrations is a human right, it is lawful; the H. politicians did not make a word in order to defend the right-wing neofascists who marched in Zolyom (or where?); H. authorities tried to capture those who painted the Slovak signs. There were not any beatings in Hungary. The tape is not forgotten but we could not get it by force.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
Talking means acting in politics. And they are hindered by the political situation: if the gov. take too friendly moves it will be counted as weakness by the opposition (even now that is the situation).
We shall not wait for politicians to reach peace: the soccer match was a good example: writers, poets, actors, the intelligentsia shall make moves and show that everything can be solved by open and friendly dialogue.
macskafogo007 3 years ago
You are right! Thanks for the video...
Wolfmester 3 years ago