They sound boring and mechanical because they lack musicality. Vocal production is a science. Musicality is much less a science and more about good taste and knowing how your audience will respond. You keep mentioning being a male soprano as if it is something that most men can't do. Most men have very active falsettos. They just don't employ them as such. Singing is a science. Making music is an art. Know the difference.
Maybe because it turned into science that all sopranos today sound ecxatly the same. The Uniqueness of voices from the 30's 40's and 50's and some of the second half of the century are just a memory now in recordings. I believe (as a singer) in a mixed approach. You cannot tell a student who's just starting to lower the larynx and stuuf like that. One has to use imagery and sensation directives to get a result. The instrument is hidded- not a clarinet where you say-put your lips here and blow!
Well, it's not rocket surgery. The bottom of the voice is too closed. The vowels are overly darkened and the sound is almost like a hooty, English choral countertenor. Would it be easier for you for me to say the chest register of the voice needs more pharyngeal space and the aperture of the front of the mouth covers the top teeth too much for the zygomatic arch to be lifted enough to provide enough balance of chiaroscuro? Technical enough?
That's good for me that am a voice major and have been singing for a while. But I'd try to put all that for her in 'layman' words, even because this is for youtube too. Summing up, she's 'rounding" the voice in the mouth, not with the correct opening of the pharynxs and by result lowering of the larynnx-That's why it sounds like she has an egg in her mouth while she sings-ruinning the diction! I actually do not hear chest where it should be, she's still bringing head voice too low in the range!
I started it in "layman's" terms. You didn't like it. Because that's what "open up the bottom of the voice" means -- to which you so graciously responded "What the heck is this? This is no valuable technical advice at all." You act as if I haven't been teaching for years and that I don't know what I'm talking about when I obviously do. And she's not bringing head voice down. She's merely covering her chest voice to "darken" the sound. It's a trap many mezzos make.
I studied with great teachers and never I heard anybody teaching voice like you described up there: Not the over physiological approach nor the "imagery" that is hard to understand. In simple words I think she's using TOO much space in the back of the throat. I am a male soprano and I tend to use it too much sometimes because of the sensation that is so much easier and it gives that sensation of that anything is possible> BUT it does rob of the brilliance and ping! It has to be dosed properly!
A book I suggest reading, which you will in a vocal pedagogy class I am sure -- The Structure of Singing: System and Art of Vocal Technique by Richard Miller. Singing is not some magical art form. Vocal production is a very exacting science. Perhaps you might benefit from more physiologically based teachers. Knowing what is happening in the body when certain sounds are produced is very important.
Richard Miller-The GOD! but I heard some of his students in tape: they sound boring and mechanical! Its is not an exact science at all. If it were Throat doctors and voice specialists would all sing! and evryone who read a book would know how to sing! There's lot;s of things in siging that are a mistery and cannot be taught by means of merely physiological approach. I as male soprano (falsetist)am a living proof of what Ricahrd miller says on his books.
What a silly comment of "Throat doctors and voice specialists would all sing!" Just because one knows how does not mean that one has put in the dedicated study and practice with said knowledge to be able to do it. Playing the violin or 'cello is an exact science, but requires years of practice and study. Just because know merely knows how does not mean one can do it without the appropriate grunt work.
I mean...proof of what the book says about falsetto singing. I have incredible volume and I have all the same breaks as a soprano. AND I have done laryngeal exam...and after 10 years of singing countettenor my vocal chords vibrate just like If I were singing baritone. My doctor was amazed. he said because I have I trined voice it "awoke" the whole vocal chord to sing in the head voice, diferent than in not trained countertenors. Miller was good but I heard better voices than his trained diferent
Your posturing and stories are quite cute, but that doesn't change the fact that vocal production is a science. This is why we go to doctors when our voice is damaged or feared to be damaged. We don't go to shaman or witchdoctors.
There you go trying to get the conversation down the drain by saying "stories are cute..." We are having a conversation, an intesresting one (so I thought) You should know that ALL those exercises that "doctors" use to get rid of stuuf in the voice are based on exercises and pracitises dating back to material used by composers > Marchesi and all those( cannot remember really all names) Of course if you have a nodule you got to surgery I know of singers who cured with specific vocalises and rest
Religion is a science, Parapsycology is a science, UFOLOGY is a science. Have you seen ghosts, have you seen a "telekynetic" moving an object? Have you seen an alien? Well, that should shut your mouth! By the way, CALLAS had voice problems and never had nodules or anything detected in her vocal chords. Doctors could do nothing. Even today, some singers singing perfectly well develop nodules and they go to surgery for a "quick" fix as opposed to other ways. "shaman/witch doctors"? How pathetic!!
They sound boring and mechanical because they lack musicality. Vocal production is a science. Musicality is much less a science and more about good taste and knowing how your audience will respond. You keep mentioning being a male soprano as if it is something that most men can't do. Most men have very active falsettos. They just don't employ them as such. Singing is a science. Making music is an art. Know the difference.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
Maybe because it turned into science that all sopranos today sound ecxatly the same. The Uniqueness of voices from the 30's 40's and 50's and some of the second half of the century are just a memory now in recordings. I believe (as a singer) in a mixed approach. You cannot tell a student who's just starting to lower the larynx and stuuf like that. One has to use imagery and sensation directives to get a result. The instrument is hidded- not a clarinet where you say-put your lips here and blow!
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
Open up the bottom of the voice a little more and I'm in love.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
"open up the bottom of the voice"!!!!
What the heck is this? This is no valuable technical advice at all!
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
Well, it's not rocket surgery. The bottom of the voice is too closed. The vowels are overly darkened and the sound is almost like a hooty, English choral countertenor. Would it be easier for you for me to say the chest register of the voice needs more pharyngeal space and the aperture of the front of the mouth covers the top teeth too much for the zygomatic arch to be lifted enough to provide enough balance of chiaroscuro? Technical enough?
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
That's good for me that am a voice major and have been singing for a while. But I'd try to put all that for her in 'layman' words, even because this is for youtube too. Summing up, she's 'rounding" the voice in the mouth, not with the correct opening of the pharynxs and by result lowering of the larynnx-That's why it sounds like she has an egg in her mouth while she sings-ruinning the diction! I actually do not hear chest where it should be, she's still bringing head voice too low in the range!
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
I started it in "layman's" terms. You didn't like it. Because that's what "open up the bottom of the voice" means -- to which you so graciously responded "What the heck is this? This is no valuable technical advice at all." You act as if I haven't been teaching for years and that I don't know what I'm talking about when I obviously do. And she's not bringing head voice down. She's merely covering her chest voice to "darken" the sound. It's a trap many mezzos make.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
I actually hear soprano with not "discovered "yet high range!
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
I studied with great teachers and never I heard anybody teaching voice like you described up there: Not the over physiological approach nor the "imagery" that is hard to understand. In simple words I think she's using TOO much space in the back of the throat. I am a male soprano and I tend to use it too much sometimes because of the sensation that is so much easier and it gives that sensation of that anything is possible> BUT it does rob of the brilliance and ping! It has to be dosed properly!
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
A book I suggest reading, which you will in a vocal pedagogy class I am sure -- The Structure of Singing: System and Art of Vocal Technique by Richard Miller. Singing is not some magical art form. Vocal production is a very exacting science. Perhaps you might benefit from more physiologically based teachers. Knowing what is happening in the body when certain sounds are produced is very important.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
Richard Miller-The GOD! but I heard some of his students in tape: they sound boring and mechanical! Its is not an exact science at all. If it were Throat doctors and voice specialists would all sing! and evryone who read a book would know how to sing! There's lot;s of things in siging that are a mistery and cannot be taught by means of merely physiological approach. I as male soprano (falsetist)am a living proof of what Ricahrd miller says on his books.
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
What a silly comment of "Throat doctors and voice specialists would all sing!" Just because one knows how does not mean that one has put in the dedicated study and practice with said knowledge to be able to do it. Playing the violin or 'cello is an exact science, but requires years of practice and study. Just because know merely knows how does not mean one can do it without the appropriate grunt work.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
I mean...proof of what the book says about falsetto singing. I have incredible volume and I have all the same breaks as a soprano. AND I have done laryngeal exam...and after 10 years of singing countettenor my vocal chords vibrate just like If I were singing baritone. My doctor was amazed. he said because I have I trined voice it "awoke" the whole vocal chord to sing in the head voice, diferent than in not trained countertenors. Miller was good but I heard better voices than his trained diferent
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
Your posturing and stories are quite cute, but that doesn't change the fact that vocal production is a science. This is why we go to doctors when our voice is damaged or feared to be damaged. We don't go to shaman or witchdoctors.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
There you go trying to get the conversation down the drain by saying "stories are cute..." We are having a conversation, an intesresting one (so I thought) You should know that ALL those exercises that "doctors" use to get rid of stuuf in the voice are based on exercises and pracitises dating back to material used by composers > Marchesi and all those( cannot remember really all names) Of course if you have a nodule you got to surgery I know of singers who cured with specific vocalises and rest
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
Religion is a science, Parapsycology is a science, UFOLOGY is a science. Have you seen ghosts, have you seen a "telekynetic" moving an object? Have you seen an alien? Well, that should shut your mouth! By the way, CALLAS had voice problems and never had nodules or anything detected in her vocal chords. Doctors could do nothing. Even today, some singers singing perfectly well develop nodules and they go to surgery for a "quick" fix as opposed to other ways. "shaman/witch doctors"? How pathetic!!
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago
Your ideas of science are rather faulty. And if ya get any nellier here, you'll explode into a pile of shoes.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
Before exploding into a pile of shoes..you can suck my dick!
BetuliaLiberata 2 years ago