Ron Paul's Historical Revisionism: The South Was Right!

[Steadno]

as a black man i gave ron paul the benefit of the doubt but this speech with a dixie swastika in the back is almost too much to handle!

[madddawgg2]

he said right off the bat that an abolitionist sided with the south. he said slavery could be ended without a war. he's not talking about racism or slavery. he's talking about why we have a big central gov't today. i know it may have been too long; didn't watch and you just reacted to the background... but if you listen, you'll learn that you're dead wrong that he's a racist w/ his hood off.

[PostSurgeOperative]

@madddawgg2 Ron Paul is preaching historical revisionism of the Lost Cause of the Confederacy. The speech itself was made at a conference on secession; Ron Paul continues to hold the belief that secession was a right that existed for states at the founding of the nation, and he's WRONG in his analysis and interpretation of the events which led to the Civil War.

upress.state.ms. us/books/1338

en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Neo-Confederate

[madddawgg2]

@PostSurgeOperative

en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner

"Although he denounced the institution of slavery, Spooner recognized the right of the Confederate States of America to secede as the manifestation of government by consent, a constitutional and legal principle fundamental to Spooner's philosophy; the Northern states, in contrast, were trying to deny the Southerners that right through military force."

[PostSurgeOperative]

@madddawgg2 Yes, I know all about Spooner. But the issue here isn't what Spooner does or does not believe; the issue is WRong Paul's BLATANT historical revisionism, and his preaching of Lost Cause of the Confederacy ideology.

Quoting or citing abolitionists is just cover for what he's really preaching.

Again, I refer you to:

en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Neo-Confederate

upress.state. ms. us/books/1338

encyclopediaofalabama. org/face/Article. jsp?id=h-1643

[PostSurgeOperative]

"In 1858, Spooner circulated a 'Plan for the Abolition of Slavery,' calling for the use of guerrilla warfare against slaveholders by black slaves and non-slaveholding free Southerners, with aid from Northern abolitionists."

Spooner believed a war against the Confederacy was entirely justified solely on the basis of slavery alone; his criticism of the Republican (Union) position was that they fought only to preserve the Union, and not specifically to end slavery.

[CalebRobinson1000]

@madddawgg2 May be true, however Thank The Good Lord Jesus the North won the War or else Me and my son would still be in chains.

[DeeDemonwitch]

@NietzscheKILLEDjesus no actually, most non-American people hate America mainly because of fundie right wing Christian douche-bags.

[newjerseydev]

@DeeDemonwitch actually i live in scandinavia and we cant see how u cant vote in ron paul. obama is seen as a disappointment as he is simply more of the status quo. we hate u bc youre stupid and brainwashed regardless of your party affiliation

[DeeDemonwitch]

@newjerseydev I agree Obama is a disappointment, but then aren't they all simply more of the status quo?? Just that personally I'd rather have centralist/liberal than right wing status quo.

I'm not American, btw

[DeeDemonwitch]

@DeeDemonwitch However, maybe if you tried being a little less closed minded and judgemental you might realise that not every American is brainwashed and/or stupid.

[gac6gac]

@newjerseydev Paul is so apposed to war that he believes the North should have allowed the South to leave the Union without a fight, bc he believes it was their right under the Constitution to do so. The point Paul misses is the MAJORITY of Americans (North and South) did not want to continue enslaving humans. So instead of going with the MAJORITY the South wanted to leave. If Paul was alive then and got his way the US would not be the States that it is now....

[gac6gac]

@gac6gac ...In addition, Paul doesn't believe we should have helped the ppl of Libya even though we did so in the most humane way possible. I simply can not vote for a man who thinks we should have allowed slavery to continue one second longer and the ppl of Libya die at the hands of their leader when they so clearly wanted to be free of him. The US does need to stop creating wars, but there is a balance to be had. Libya is an example of that balance.

[Tonesyxx]

@gac6gac We need to spend our money and resources helping our own citizens. Take Katrina for example. FEMA failed miserably helping us, just like they fail at everything else they do. I say cut off foreign aid. We spend a lot of time babying these other countries and never letting them take time to develop and take care of themselves...

Lincoln was for slavery. The only reason why he decided to free the slaves was because it gave him a strategic advantage to win the war, nothing more...

[PostSurgeOperative]

@Tonesyxx Lincoln wasn't pro-slavery, he was anti-expansionist. He didn't free the slaves until after the war.

IMO, the US should massively expand foreign aid, especially to countries most in need of development.

[fckuvrymch]

where the hell was this speech?

[PostSurgeOperative]

@fckuvrymch @your mother's house

[JustABitchyCancer]

I'm just tripping at the big flag behind him. I couldn't even really pay attention to what he said.

[dangerouslytalented]

@NietzscheKILLEDjesus They could have, but would NEVER HAVE. They feared their slaves, they wanted to keep them in servitude, keep them under control, and with Jim Crow laws and the KKK terrorist organisation and segregation, they KEPT them out of any kind of power in the South until they were FORCED to desegregate and give them the vote.

[JRBendixen]

He forgets that the south and southern population was willing to fight the war, almost solely on the ground that they should have the right to own sell and thus torture other humans.

Nuff said.

[wodiya]

OBAMA 2012!

[PostSurgeOperative]

@wodiya iViva, Obama!

[newjerseydev]

@wodiya if obama lasts another term good luck uploading videos. enjoy SOPA

[PostSurgeOperative]

@newjerseydev FACT: Pres. Obama never supported SOPA or PIPA; his position has actually caused him to lose support from many in Hollywood.

pcworld. com/article/248425/hollywood_d­isappointed_with_president_oba­mas_sopa_stance. html

[dangerouslytalented]

@ruffgreens The number one priority of the North was victory and reunification. The Southern attacks would not have stopped without Northern victory, and a proclamation of emancipation would not have had any credibility without any reasonable battlefield victory (such as Antietam).

[kingtin89]

Man he hits nail on the head. I like the fact he actually reads and knows what the he is saying.

[TheAtheistMon]

@NietzscheKILLEDjesus are you what

[dtm52]

Paul has lost his mind. The South was fighting for it's rights. It's right to own slavery. The South kept saying the Bible supported slavery, so they were right. But the Bible is very wrong.

[dangerouslytalented]

@ruffgreens Considering the fact that there was a huge fight to even let them have the VOTE until the 60s (and they are STILL finding ways to deny them the vote even now) I don't think diplomacy would have gone well.

[donnyforte2]

@NietzscheKILLEDjesus "we never should have ended the gold standard"

fuck off with this commodity backed currency bs.

"You're gripe is the flag, not the factual information"

do you really want to go down this route? i have a problem with both his foreign policy and domestic.

"REV. WRIGHT PART DEUX"

red herring alert.

[sheltercrow]

Buying a slave back to freedom? I'm sure Paul might be a little less concerned with property rights had he been that slave. Pandering is a aphrodisiac for politicians. And Hamilton's everlasting shame was that central bank scheme.

[TheAtheistMon]

is he dumb

[TheAtheistMon]

the Civil war was to get the states not slavery

[bigcomcast]

Then whats his point? The south was wrong for attacking the north and declaring war?Or the north was wrong for defending its self and fighting to save the Union.His argument that slaves could buy there way to freedom is nonsense considering the work that slaves did.There is no way you can make a free person pick cotton or cut sugarcane for what plantations would pay free men.That is why they went from slavery to the indentured servitude of sharecropping after the war.

[bigcomcast]

The south instigated the war not over slavery.But over the fact that they believed they could defeat the north in a strait up fight.Men like Jefferson, Lee and Jackson thought they could rout the north and change the union into there confederacy.Many southern leaders believed that a civil war would not last a year because of there superior fighting men.The civil war was a land grab by the south nothing more and nothing less.Abe Lincoln said he would not go to war over slavery.

[donnyforte2]

Holy shit.... this guy is a fucking clown. I think he fails to realize that the only reason we had Union in the first place because we allowed states to keep and work their slaves. And it's so stupid talking about the civil war this way in hindsight. Love the backdrop, Ronny. Stay classy, bro.

[HempWillSaveUsAll]

Wow, your a very confused person if you take from this "This is what a racist looks like when he takes off his hood."

Did you actually listen/watch this before you uploaded it?

There's a flag behind him, OMG, he must be a racist...

Are you afraid?

Peace, Love & Hemp :)

[SojournerTruth2012]

Racist??? You are being facetious, right? Ron Paul talks about how the 15 or so countries which had slaves were able to put an end to slavery without having a war in addition to the cost of thousands of lives. For the remainder he explains how this trend of big government continued to grow. Reality check.

[dangerouslytalented]

@SojournerTruth2012 The problem here is that the South did not WANT to give up their slaves. The North did. The slaves definately did. The slave states were trying to force the North to repatriate escaped slaves.ALL of the tensions that led to war were to do with slavery. The right for one person to own another. That is about the least libertarian idea I could ever concieve, and the fact that Ron Paul defends the South's right to own slaves is reprehensible.

[ghostclownprophet]

Search "Ron Paul compromise" and you'll find a video in which Dr. Paul says it would have better that the United States had never formed than for it to compromise on slavery at its inception. He's not indifferent about slavery. He's just teasing apart separate issues. Slavery was bad and needed to end AND states should have the right to leave the union. Two separate issues.

[PostSurgeOperative]

@NietzscheKILLEDjesus WRONG, Paulyanna:

"(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons HE determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, IN ORDER TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE ACTS OF INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM AGAINST THE UNITED STATES by such nations, organizations or persons."

[PostSurgeOperative]

@jnutzz As my Granny once told me, "Racism is a form of blindness."

en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Con­federacy

[PostSurgeOperative]

@NietzscheKILLEDjesus 'Peace candidate', my ass! Ron Paul voted for the War on Terror.

nationalreview. com/articles/288510/ron-paul-w­­rong-taliban-andrew-c-mccarth­y­?pg=1

[ruffgreens]

If you listen carefully and apply reason you will hear that slavery should have been ended peacefully without hundreds of thousands of lives lost.

"Be not astonished at new ideas; for it is well known to you that a thing does not therefore cease to be true because it is not accepted by many." Baruch Spinoza

[dangerouslytalented]

"consent of the governed" ROFLMAO. He was talking about slavery, then he talks about consent of the governed? They had the consent of their slaves now?

[dangerouslytalented]

Ron Paul hates the United States of America.Maybe because of what he percieves as high taxes.

The South started the war by seceding and firing on Fort Sumter, on the mere suspicion that Lincoln would free the slaves, which he DID NOT DO, until the tide of war turned, and victory looked inevitable.

[constructionsource]

you are an asshole, dueshbag!!

[LiberalJerseyman]

Ron Paul: Racist asshole

[giantsSR44]

@LiberalJerseyman Oh wow look, a liberal resorting to name calling.

[DeeDemonwitch]

@giantsSR44 Yeah, liberals really should stop copying the childish behaviour from right wing politicians and pundits.