To the M2F who call guys who pursue relationships with trannsexuals as "tranny chasers" here's my question to her - she doesn't think she's a female? Because the few of us who have had relationships with transsexuals also have had them with genetic girls. We consider you M2F's to be females. If she wants to corner herself in a tranny category, so be it. As far as I'm concerned a M2F is a female and I like females, period
There's scumbags that use us trans women as part of their shemale porn fantasy, look at us as a sideshow freak, treat us like their dirty little secret, and expect us trans females to be ok with it. Not no, but HELL NO!!! That behavior is not acceptable. I'd rather be alone then live with a bottom of the barrel scrub or be some pervert's DL booty call. However, those men who genuinely love and admire trans women, thank you for being on our side and God bless.
@LuvlyLivia PREACH IT GIRL!!!! these guys act, claim, and pretend to be into us when they KNOW in the back of their mind that their m.o. are only sexual fetishes/fantasies to "try it and see if i like it" type of thinking. then when they don't (which is all of the time) feel comfortable afterwards, they go back to being with genetic females to make their mind feel more at ease. they don't care about our feelings and comfortability. it's ALWAYS about THEM THEM THEM.....
I think tranny chasers are those, like me, want a girl with a dick. I used to love women but was intimidated by them. I saw porn and started to admire the penises of the male performers and the asses of the women. I have never really been attracted to vaginas or the typical male body. So I get everything I want in a tgirl. I don't care what post ops think, because they don't have the goods anyway.
first, i want you to get on your knees and call me daddy. after that, i love to chase your ass with my big girthed and 7 inch cock. it will make squirm all over body. hahahahaha lols.
@superbnarrativebro ALL i said was u could need some make-up!!!!Trust me bitch if u think IM hatin on u,u have lost your fuckin mind lmao,yeah horse face?ME,SERIOUSLY!!!!!????hahahahah honey u obviosuly didnt watch my videos or your ass is blind u high pitched soundin idot!(N HEY,IM NOT THE ONLY LIKE 200TH PERSON THATS SAID YOUR UGLY SWEETIE)
@msParisxoxoable speaking of blindness, my little cinderblock, i'm not icecoldbath who made the video.
and lol any time you tell someone your name is "Paris" they will think "oh, so you're named after a cocksucker who became famous when you were about 10 years old? lol tranny."
@superbnarrativebro haha okay UGLYYYYYYYY :) n trust me lots of others would agree 110% n my name has NOTHING at all with this,my point was your UGLY! I think u got it,or u wouldnt of commented back,mwah!!!
I enjoyed the enthusiasm but breath.. It depends what level the guy is on mentally a cross dresser may excite him, physically a transsexual, in soul a transgender MTF. As a preference I like large breasts, always have and a pretty face.Different things get me excited. Very tall, very short, muscular, seductive, I 'm a guy and have been married to a G women for almost 25 years. I didn't come across the trans scene until after I was married. I don't know why but I am lustful for them. b wishes
I guess I'm the good chaser you told us all about in the video. IDK I'm just really into trans woman... I do find the penis part a turn on but I guess that is cause I'm bi hahaha.. but I just find them way more fascinating then girls born in the right body... just for some reason... it is like you just said some guys just like going out with blonde haired girls or blue eyes or japanese or chinese girls... or guys. But I'm mainly in the relationship for romance and the last reason is the genitals
A wise woman. I'm a gay white cis man who pretty much only dates latino cis men. I don't think there's anything weirdly fetishistic about it, it's very similar to what you said about Italian men!
i feel bad for some of these tranny chasers...they are so lost and looking for a temporary satisfaction...over time we will be able to date and get open on both sides but for now we are going to have to sift through the bad ones..
yes they're lost, but the notion is being propagated that they should stay lost i.e the "fuck off" comments on some of these videos. but i guess if some of them are redeemable they are renamed admirers.
I am NOT a trannychaser. It is disrespectful to those of us who date transpeople. Why is it considered any different to people who are attracted to bio men or women? I am bi/poly/multi/pan/omnisexual. Choose whichever you feel is appropriate.
cont. However thankyou for saying what needs to be said. There are to many transwomen who hate men that are attracted to them. Seriously girls a straight guy who dosen't know is highly unlikely to date you after finding out. I just wish the word 'chaser' was reserved for guys who just want sex.
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i find it ironic that many transgirls are self loathing because of their weewee mistake (i hear the usual "i wish i never had this blasted penis, i hate it", but then have the time to pounce on those who wank to trannies and attempt to hook up for some old fashion butt-action, or to learn more about/embrace what they've been whackin' it to. perhaps they should go to brazil. those girls or third sex seem like better sports on the topic of tranny chasers...
No one has any reason to defend or help these sorts of chasers. There is a general expectation from some men that women who find their advances distasteful are uppity and think they're 'too good,' implying that they don't know their place. The idea here is that it isn't wrong to like transwomen, but to fetishize and disregard their identities, and other aspects of themselves than their bodies is reprehensible.
save that exploitation shit for the next sucker. he wants to get his rocks off, so what... the guy needs help or a fix, but you're on the "fuck off and die leper" rampage for that second, so in the eyes of the trans community he is automatic filth to be avoided. again pehaps it's better that he be pointed in a direction where he's either getting help or his money's worth.
someone's bound to ask so let me answer. no i am not a tranny chaser, i just refuse to sit idly by while this assault on T chasers continues. the closest i've been to a trans was in DC when i complimented a trans' tits. it was perfect; horrah to who ever did that job. it was better than many natural female boob jobs; it deserved praise. that is a different obsession altogether, but i'm sure the trans-community has their own nkvd-like files on breast men!
and i'm pretty sure it's not too hard to recommend him the local trans-prostitute either if you don't want his time or lovin. perhaps in this case he can confront the possibility of sex, love, and/or regret. in the end that pervert needs love too like GG Allin said in his love ballad "i'm sucking one, butt fucking two, caroline and sue"
in defense of the evil tranny chaser because they need defending. chicks w dix; that's what gives the guy a boner, as sick as it may be is it really that wrong and should he be cast out for it; automatically put on a t-community blacklist like some sex offender, this paranoid trans community shit is like some game of telephone gone horribly awry. the chaser should be direct in his pursuit for the third sex and not waste his time trying to win you impossible women over
Well, if one goes after what they like, I don't know if it's a bad thing. It all depends on the circumstances of their want, and what they would do for it.
I love your logic. These kinds of situations should be regarded on a case-by-case basis. A cisguy who likes transwomen isn't necessarily out to mistreat them, he may very well just be a cisguy who likes transwomen, for whatever reason. The only way to determine who someone is is to get to know them.
The last time someone was interested in me, I was an androgynous internet enigma, and while she was attracted to that, she wasn't swayed when the "truth" came out.
Yea, sex is a big component for the chaser. I think for a lot of them, once they get past that, something more "real" may happen. It's happened in my case in (2) instances; although sex is a factor, there's more to follow. The ideal is when they get to the point where they take you out in public, to lunch, whatever, not ashamed to be seen with you. It's a symbiotic situation: they need us and we appreciate their attention. I've noticed a larger proportion of Italian guys, also.
Sounds like the voice of reason to me. My father taught me that you don't hold the group responsible for the actions of some members. He had no idea that I'd apply it to transexuals, but the principle holds. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical of people, but you don't want to spend your life in hostile mode. Not because you harm others, but because you harm yourself.
The problem is, that where I live, in the South (uggh), we don't have that many trans women here that seem pretty normal like you. Many of them are more flamboyantly gay that trans women, if you can see my point. I am not gay, but to me trans women are women because of your internal biology of your brain. Your brain was born as a woman even if your body wasn't. I have just never met another trans woman that was semi-normal in my city.
Your point about liking and not liking trans women and then dating them is correct to a point. However, if you have never met a trans woman, you might not ever know if you like them. I met a transwoman that was BEAUTIFUL. I knew by looking at her that she was trans because of the height, hand size, etc. She had reassignment surgery though. I never went out with her but she was gorgeous and I would consider going out with her or someone like her if I had the chance.
Ah. Being a somewhat older transwoman, and only recently lost enough weight to fall into the "attractive" range, I've never really had the chaser problem. My take on this for you, on a somewhat humerous note, is ENJOY YOUTH! :P As a female, once one hits about 35 one finds that not many people are interested in one in any way, whatsoever, let alone sexually. :P
Ironically, people have only been interested in me for sex. It does not seem to matter what I look like, or how well I pass, or how old I am. The only people that have been interested in me, have been the skeezy pervs that only want me for sex. I have even been propositioned for sex simply cause I am Trans...
I would truely love to have a few "normal" guys interested in me. To be interested in having a relationship, not just hot sex...
I guess I would consider myself bi-curious of being with a transwoman not just on a physical level but on a mental and spiritual level as well. I don't still see the reason why its still called transwoman or transman since you all finally reached that goal to become fully the opposite sex. I would thought it would be trans only when you are going through the phase such as pre-op.
well i have long black hair, skinny, wearing girls things, etc just a girl. no gay guy dating me, mostly bisex or str8.
in da club,guy came over me, and dance with me, touching, kissing, n being more wild... well i dont kiss anyone who came and dance with me, im picky also. but then i always said, that "im not a woman.." some guys are just shock.. and looking at me from top to bottom.. but then he said, I DONT CARE.. lol...
some are just came and says, "im not a gay but i really like you!"
Goge, a guy saying "I don't care" makes me nervous. In a lot of murders against transwomen, although the male perpetrators claimed they didn't know the victim was trans, very often, the transwoman due to voice, wig, location... in a lot of ways, were identifiably trans. The guy didn't care... UNTIL he gets his rocks off. Then guilt, homophobia & transphobia set in (followed by violence). Men overlook at lot in the search for sex, but we're the ones who deal with the aftermath. Please stay safe.
O.k.....here's my personal perspective - I am trans-identified (MTF), but have never had the courage to transition (fear of rejection, fear of job loss etc.).
I have always been attracted to women, and I feel that trans-women are more likely to understand who I am.
My hope would be to find someone who is accepting of me, and who would feel comfortable knowing that I accept her and relate to her.
I'd prefer someone who has had SRS or at least plans to, and would encourage my transition.
Ultimately - you are correct in regards to anyone's transition being driven by one's self.
But as you well know, its a hard and lonely road, as you've documented quite accurately "(Good Reasons to Freeze to Death" and others). Having to deal with trans issues alone, with no family or friend support is extremely difficult. And fear is a very real thing that doesn't negate how real our feelings are.
I do believe that those who have support/encouragement are best able to find fulfillment.
River, transwoman who are lesbian might be very supportive of your transition. Straight transwomen... maybe supportive/maybe not. Obviously, they've been there/done that so one would hope they have empathy for what you're facing. But I've heard of a couple of situations where transwomen hooked up to someone mtf who was totally "pre" and didn't support their transitioning since they still desired a "male" partner or thought two transwomen would be too much drama. Selfish, but... there it is.
I agree that it would be a lesbian identified transwomen (or maybe someone who is bi) who for obvious reasons would be most supportive.
Straight transwomen are attracted to men. Bottom line.
I can't believe that any transperson would assume that being in a relationship with a non transperson would be free of drama. There are plenty of videos on here from transwomen dating guys who are crushed when he runs for the hills when she tells him she's trans.
I wish your video would mention more reasons why someone might be fascinated with transwomen. We're hardly a homogenous group. I still believe a lot of chasers feel (maybe not consciously) transwomen aren't as much of a threat to reject them because they're 'grateful, needy and lacking self-esteem'. Because they're perceived as having 'a shameful secret' that takes their power away and makes them easier to dominate. A search for power is behind a lot of chasers. Not saying that's always bad.
Oops! I replied to this comment on another one of your comments. You know, for someone as opinionated and obviously intelligent as yourself, you should make videos. :)
Great video! I'm glad you talked about this, it isn't something that is talked about often. I am, for the record, a trans guy.
I think it's good to separate creeps from non-creeps; there are some people who are attracted to trans people that aren't creeps, while there are also the porn lovers and that sort that just want to fulfill a fetish.
I don't pass well, so I haven't really encountered any chasers, but I might make a video anyway with my thoughts...
I actually find the girls who chase trans men to be more interesting. Since in the queer community that seems to be deemed much more socially acceptable although for many of those girls, they are being equally creepy and oppressive of trans men.
We (society) like to believe women don't objectify men (much less transmen) the way men objectify women (or transwomen). Perhaps it's not identical, but I certainly see a lot of my women friends, both straight and gay, who project a LOT onto the guys they're involved with and give those guys a lot of sh*t if they don't live up to the projected fantasy. Maybe because of women's societal lack of power, what's projected onto us makes it more debilitating? I'm not sure.
I don't know if women chase transmen, but men certainly do their share of lesbian chasing, which then spills on to us because they think we are another form of lesbian. In either case, I find it's all a case of fitting someone into a box and not wanting to let them go. Maybe if I lived in a place where women liked women more, instead of pretending they did to get men. There are women who want women that think transmen just need to be comfortable with themselves, and we're called anti-feminist.
Michael (deusa): It's the entire "Gendercator" bs of how transmen are somehow being tricked and forced by the evil binary forces (of which transsexuals are the prime representatives) into transition, yes, instead of accepting their non-binary true selves. It's so dismissive and condescending. MTFs have heard this cr*pola for years from gay activists like Jim Fouratt. Grrr. I wasn't aware straight -identified guys were pursuing transmen. That's a new one for me!
yes, there are some women who do chase transmen simply for their trans status. Some are even lesbian identified. Some still view transmen as women so some may hop into it, trying to treat a ftm like they're just a big ol' butch that decided to take hormones for the hell of it.
& I've definitely received my fair share of "just be comfortable with yourself" messages. It just shows they don't quite understand what it means. & if anything, I feel strongly for women. I'm just not one. :-/
I have found out since posting what I did here about the problem transmen have with trannychasers who are women. In my case, I think I haven't run into them because I avoided lesbian social circles at first, and now can't find them even if I want to seek them out.
I wonder if there is something comparable with straight women and MtFs? Because I know there is a problem with straight women desiring to 'turn' gay men, and it seems disregarding trans identities has a relationship with this too.
I think I've always thought that tranny chasers were bad because they like a person for what they are, rather than who they are.
There is also a perception that most tranny chasers are closeted gay men who can't handle the thought of coming out as gay. And a trans woman is the middle point, where it's acceptable.
I've also gotten the impression from some trans folks that they don't think they're going to find anyone, so they have to settle for whoever they can get.
That's unfortunate. I think that it sucks that trans folks have to go through so much in their early life, that they're end up with the lower regard for themselves. I think that they should all be confident and tell anyone to "fuck off" if they can't handle the trans aspect.
b/c i've had guys tell me they would LOVE to be with me as long as I don't loose my penis, the attitude I picked up from them was, "Then you'd be too much like a real female so what would be the point in dating you, I'll just get a REAL female". Fortunatly I was born with a petit body and I'm only 5'5 and I want someone who will like me for being fem and petit, but it seems like most people who date trans women STILL expect and want masculine traits in me to a certain degree.
This is one thing that's always scred me, it seems like when a trans women DOES get SRS, it really rules out a lot of potential partenrs. I know there are a LOT of men and women who like to date pre op trans women for the girl body and the penis, but when you get SRS, it seems like most people's attitude is, "You're TOO MUCH like a girl and if I wanted to date a girl I'd just date a REAL ONE," That's something i've picked up on maybe you've noticed it too.
Ashley, very good video as always. Very interesting comments from everyone. I been straight all my life although I can admit I'm bi-curious. Twenty years ago I don't think I could handle dating a MTF. Today if I was not in a relationship I would have no problem at all, I do find many trans girls very attractive (it would not matter to me if the person choose to keep or loose it). I do love everything femme, and I myself would enjoy having a more femme look even though I'm a guy.
haha, good plan except I'm going bald thus growing long hair is not in the plan. Maybe in the next life if there is one. BTW, love your videos, you generate lots of great comments.
What is your take on Tgirl - Tgirl relationships? Are they worthwhile or doomed to failure? In some respect I (may) be a trannychaser as I feelthat sort of relationship for me is safer, more understanding, more symbiotic, etc. But maybe it could be more disasterous in the long run, idk. I just know that i met someone today that i really connected with and they are also MtF trans....what to do :{
Some guys with no prior trans dating history meet a transwoman, don't know she's trans, but get connected enough to them as a woman/person and wish to continue the relationship (it happens);
There are cheaterpants who are in relationships with ciswomen but f*ck around with transwomen on the side;
To me so much has to do with how open the guy is about his relationship with you. Is he willing to have you meet his friends/family/co-workers? If so, he's an appreciator, If not... he's a chaser.
I'd say that scenario you mention is a rare one indeed and probably mostly just a fantasy among straight trans women. A fantasy that i'm trying to challenge in this video.
It may be a fantasy of many straight transwomen, but it does, in fact happen. I've known at least 5-6 women it's happened to. You're still a fairly recent transitioner, so perhaps you have a different perspective on this. True the vast majority of transwomen are recognizable as trans but there are increasing numbers of people who are way more integrated into cis-society (whether that's a good thing or not). I don't make a judgment on it except that it's genuinely some people's experience.
Well if you are going to pull the age card, I guess i'll just have to sit back, nod and smile at you. The person who I mention discussing this issue with is not a recent transitioner herself and likewise I consider myself fairly integrated into the cis world.
Never once mentioned age. Not a bit. It's where one is in the transition process. Can you acknowledge that you might have a different perspective than someone who was just approaching or starting transition or from someone who transitioned years ago? Sometimes our perspectives change as we go through this passage. Comme c'est bizarre, non?
Yeah, but you were using that notion of transition progress as an "I'm right, because i've been at this longer then you". That is still the age card just prettied up in trans language.
OMG. Fine. Absolutely then, no doubt you're right no matter what. You've known many women who've transitioned 20-30 years ago, have been married, yadda, yadda. Seriously, if you can't accept that people have been exposed to things you haven't and open yourself to the concept they might have perspectives that differ from yours not only to "win a disagreement" then fine, you're the winner. Btw, when you're older you'll experience how often young people play "the age card" in reverse.
I think you should work on trying not to get defensive when people question the validity of your analysis. I wasn't claiming to be right, I was just suggesting that I couldn't respond to what you said. You are right you have probably been at this longer then me. This may or may not give you a better perspective. I won't be able to evaluate that analysis till i'm older. You just pushed the discussion to a moot point, what else is there to say?
And I suggest you not categorize people's experiences as "fairy tales," it tends to make people think it's not really a discussion and more of a 'yea-saying'. I've never said "better perspective" I said it was my perspective based on my transition (and some other women I know), your perspective is based on your transition and people you know. I'm not going to argue that point, and it's not moot, it's an important reminder for anyone who's 'telling it like it is."
Gee, Ashley, can't imagine why on earth your mother would feel the need to morally castigate you. Don't tell me you would endlessly argue with her? Enlighten us. (or not). However I'm berating you doesn't mean I'm not interested or don't value your perspective, just that I don't take it as gospel and I feel certain that's reciprocated.
There's the option where maybe the word chaser is used too liberally to describe these types of guys, idk - then again, some guys who are generally smart, nice (and often relative keepers) will wear the word chaser almost as a badge :/
(besides, you know perfectly well every guy I've dated would potentially fall under that term anyway, the good and the bad :p so I'm not protesting much ;) )
i've had a very similar view on "chasers" for a while so i'm glad you brought this up.
one thing though: according to your definition it seems you have to be male to be a chaser. i'm a female who would qualify for the title if it weren't for my gender. seems i'm in the minority of a minority heehee. ah well, i prefer "trans-amorous" anyways since it doesn't have the negative connotations.
On principle I absolutely agree with you, but I don't have the practical experience to say that you're right. Even so, I still think that it is something to be considered when dating anyone whom admits to a trans-predilection.
You know, I think that just not dating anyone tends to solve most of the problems with "trannie chasers". But then again, I tend to prefer women anyway.
LOL You do make some good points in the video. If you want to date men, it helps to find men that like trans women, otherwise it could be risky for your safety. Some guys might freak out when they find out that you have "extra parts". That tends to make "tranny chasers" a bit more appealing.
Well I guess I am an asian chaser. Sometimes people have psychological issues that may attract them to a certian group of people. I myself are mentally turned off by some people due to things I disliked in my past that have just manifested in my mind. In the times now many just like to fit into a category or toss others into a category I am not a fan of that. It seems oppressive.
I object to being called a "tranny chaser" as much as trans-women dislike being called she-males. I enjoy t-women because they understand femininity better than most girls. Most g-girls dress up only for "special occasions" or if they are going to be around other women....but they consider their boyfriend as "chopped liver"....not worthy of impressing....or treating me like a man, once they feel that they "have you". Most men want to be treated like they matter, and t-women do a much better job.
I call you guys tranny chasers because its empowering for me. Men have all the power and control in society. They run everything and make all the decisions. Especially cis guys, like yourself, versus a trans woman. Its my belief that since you control everything, you can deal with some name calling. If things were ever equal between the sexes, I'd consider stopping. :)
I only dress up for special occasions and it isn't in totally skin revealing outfits or anything. I addressed the 'understanding femininity better than issue' in my reply, but I don't really think that's the case. I think many guys (and I won't call you a chaser) expect us to be little sex goddesses all the time but those days aren't always there. i can tell you that my bf will be treated like gold and it won't have anything to do with anything other than my love for him :)
I guess I am partial to trans-women because I understand their issues better than most guys. On the spectrum, I fall closer to being trans myself than being "all-male". I enjoy my feminine side as much as being a guy. I once "dated" a guy as a crossdresser but enjoyed having girlfriends too. Being truly bi-sexual gives me a better perspective, and guys like me are real admirers of trans-women. I like feminine t-women, but self confidence is sexiest overall. and Ash is beautiful.
Hey Ash, a few thoughts. I think there's an important distinction between chasers and guys who are capable of loving a transwoman. It's been my experience that there are guys who dating cisg's before, but the transwoman has to be so completely "passable" that he doesn't see her as being born with a guy body ever. Many guys into transwomen are focused on genitalia. Post-op women don't do much for them (generalizing of course). They also tend to have this desire completely compartmentalized in...
their mind. Just like any other fetish, pre-op transwomen are objectified and used for fodder for sexual gratification. The biggest issue is how do you judge a chaser? A guy who says "oh, that's my attraction, just like apple pie, I just like transwoman" but he goes on to say things like "they understand my needs and desires, they are strong, they exude femininity compared to cisg, etc" is common. Chasers are smart, they say things for acceptance. Admitting they view you as a fetish isn't...
exactly the best way to get what they want. That said, there are some really sweet, smart, put-together guys out there who might be attracted to me because I'm trans. Just as they are attracted to me for being trans, I'm not attracted to them for being attracted to me for being trans (I know, confusing, lol). I respect the right of EVERYONE to like who they want to like and pursue it, but we need to guard our hearts and be wary I think. Once again Ash, nice subject in the video :)
"That said, there are some really sweet, smart, put-together guys out there who might be attracted to me because I'm trans. " - This is the type of guy I'm trying to describe in this video. :) I'd call them chasers because they pursue trans women, sometimes to the exclusion of cis women, but they also realize that the trans women are real women and they want a real connection.
Not liking someone because they like you seems to indicate some level of self hatred. Why do trans women all seem to want to ask why do you like trans women? Do blond women ask why do you like blond women? Just because someone is attracted to you because you are trans does not mean they view you as a fetish. I think if trans women learn to accept themselves more then they will stop being suspicious of "chasers"
I don't think it's self-hatred, I think it's just trying to separate a guy who can love you for who you are and, more importantly, who you are becoming, than a guy who is interested in JUST one thing. For blonde-admirers I would wonder the same things...'will you love me if i get cancer and have no hair? is this guy just in love with me for my hair, my body, or is he really a good guy.' I think I'm just naturally full of questions but I love guys and I KNOW the right ones are out there :)
Do you not think it's possible that a guy could be attracted to you because you are trans yet love you for your qualities? Attraction is just one part of the puzzle, if it is the only part no relationship can work.
Meghan, I appreciate your difference between loving someone for being blonde or loving someone if their hair fell out. But can't that, sometimes, take a long time, trials and shared experience to find out? There can be relationships that start on a surface level and become profoundly close. There are people who swear they're soul mates, but something spooks them and they suddenly need to leave. Hard to know if someone will really 'fight' for the relationship and hang in during the tough times.
My therapist, who's worked with transpeople for 25 years, also does a lot of couple's counseling. She said she's seen a many transwoman-cisman relationships where the transwoman absolutely refused to believe her partner actually loved and accepted her. The transwomen tended to be the ones to trash the relationship, often to their partner's confusion and dismay. Now, some of that might be self-esteem issues, but it also might be how ciswomen suddenly realize, "I can do better than this guy."
Speaking as someone who gets leered at a lot, it isn't all that entertaining, and I don't feel much sympathy for the guys who stop me on the street to give tired old lines. And I'm not all that well endowed, I have plenty of acne, and I'm not exactly a model.
Women have no obligation to appreciate a guy if he comes off all wrong.
... male anatomy, but can't handle the thought of being gay or bi. If someone's main reason for being interested in you is because you're trans or have male anatomy, that's where I'm very apprehensive about those people. But if they're attracted to you because they like your personality, or like the way you look, or because you're interesting, and have no issues with you being trans, those are the people to love and treasure.
Well, I seem to have a 'type' of people that I find incredibly hot- namely cute shy nerdy european girls with freckles and/or red hair. Yet, what is the wonderful woman who I love more than anything in the world like? She's an assertive, bold not-very-nerdy half-Thai half-European girl with 0 freckles and black hair. Completely out of type, but I find her incredibly hot. So I don't advocate only sticking to type :-). Anyway, I think trannychasers are the scary ones who fetishise us or lust for
This is a good video, I definitely agree with you. I had a conversation about this same subject tonight with some friends. My friend didn't immediately consider that there are straight men who like dick (he is gay though, so it's understandable), when he commented that I should try to hook up with a gay guy. Merrr.
I see. This is meant to balance out the egativity of my video, perhaps? Much more sympathetic. Very well. This is your approach, and I cannot judge whether it is right or wrong. We have our own paths, and priorities. after all. At any rate, well done. And I will see what I can do to rectify some misunderstandings with my video by producing a supplement for it.
...except that the three of us are aligned in that everyone's transition is personal and individual. Plus, Erin's just so damn fun to watch when she's ranting.
I liked that outlook that you have with your comment. I myself have not dated any Transwomen (knownly) but wouldn't mind giving it a chance, but as far as the sex is, that would I think for me depend if they are pre or post op. You give a good video and real inform
I am a curvy trans. woman! Damn Irish ass.... and somewhat child bearing hips! I WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED!!! LOL ;) I really enjoy your videos and keep on using the word, disgruntled... because its my favorite word!!!
Ashley- My first sex experience as a trans person (no-op at this point) was with a chaser who was in the bad camp. When I asked him why he liked transwomen- he said it was because "they are more submissive than REAL girls." That pissed me off on two levels- one that I was submissive becaue I was trans- and two- that trans women are fake. it really confused me about relationships with men- which I'm trying to explore. Now I'm still a little gun shy- if you pardon the expression. :)
Yeah, thats a fucked up reason. I'm sorry sweetie. Yeah men can be tough, its taken me a lot of perserverance to get past the riff radd for some decent exploration with them.
That was a fantastic video :) I agree with you, and I think that some tranny chasers can offer us more appreciation and acceptance than many other men can.
I'd like to point out that one of the main reasons you can't find non-chaser cis guys in relationships with trans women is that the women are living stealth, or at least not "out and proud." They are invisible to the queer community.
On the old issue about "does it make you gay if you're a guy dating a trans women": The chasers that are really into the penis certainly have a problematical sexuality ... which I'm all for.
To the M2F who call guys who pursue relationships with trannsexuals as "tranny chasers" here's my question to her - she doesn't think she's a female? Because the few of us who have had relationships with transsexuals also have had them with genetic girls. We consider you M2F's to be females. If she wants to corner herself in a tranny category, so be it. As far as I'm concerned a M2F is a female and I like females, period
nudedood 3 months ago
what do they call transgender who chase after regular people and don't reveal their true identities? ...rapist
ubermisogynist 5 months ago
There's scumbags that use us trans women as part of their shemale porn fantasy, look at us as a sideshow freak, treat us like their dirty little secret, and expect us trans females to be ok with it. Not no, but HELL NO!!! That behavior is not acceptable. I'd rather be alone then live with a bottom of the barrel scrub or be some pervert's DL booty call. However, those men who genuinely love and admire trans women, thank you for being on our side and God bless.
LuvlyLivia 11 months ago
@LuvlyLivia PREACH IT GIRL!!!! these guys act, claim, and pretend to be into us when they KNOW in the back of their mind that their m.o. are only sexual fetishes/fantasies to "try it and see if i like it" type of thinking. then when they don't (which is all of the time) feel comfortable afterwards, they go back to being with genetic females to make their mind feel more at ease. they don't care about our feelings and comfortability. it's ALWAYS about THEM THEM THEM.....
TT1478 1 month ago
I think tranny chasers are those, like me, want a girl with a dick. I used to love women but was intimidated by them. I saw porn and started to admire the penises of the male performers and the asses of the women. I have never really been attracted to vaginas or the typical male body. So I get everything I want in a tgirl. I don't care what post ops think, because they don't have the goods anyway.
bloodandbones9 1 year ago
first, i want you to get on your knees and call me daddy. after that, i love to chase your ass with my big girthed and 7 inch cock. it will make squirm all over body. hahahahaha lols.
trnylover 1 year ago
u could use some make-up :)
msParisxoxoable 1 year ago
@msParisxoxoable and maybe you could use some surgery to fix that horse face you got. :)
only the most pathetic self-hating trans women go around throwing shade on other womens' videos. fuck you.
superbnarrativebro 1 year ago 2
@superbnarrativebro ALL i said was u could need some make-up!!!!Trust me bitch if u think IM hatin on u,u have lost your fuckin mind lmao,yeah horse face?ME,SERIOUSLY!!!!!????hahahahah honey u obviosuly didnt watch my videos or your ass is blind u high pitched soundin idot!(N HEY,IM NOT THE ONLY LIKE 200TH PERSON THATS SAID YOUR UGLY SWEETIE)
msParisxoxoable 1 year ago
@msParisxoxoable speaking of blindness, my little cinderblock, i'm not icecoldbath who made the video.
and lol any time you tell someone your name is "Paris" they will think "oh, so you're named after a cocksucker who became famous when you were about 10 years old? lol tranny."
superbnarrativebro 1 year ago
@superbnarrativebro haha okay UGLYYYYYYYY :) n trust me lots of others would agree 110% n my name has NOTHING at all with this,my point was your UGLY! I think u got it,or u wouldnt of commented back,mwah!!!
msParisxoxoable 1 year ago
@msParisxoxoable you don't even know what i look like, you brick. can you read usernames?
superbnarrativebro 1 year ago
I enjoyed the enthusiasm but breath.. It depends what level the guy is on mentally a cross dresser may excite him, physically a transsexual, in soul a transgender MTF. As a preference I like large breasts, always have and a pretty face.Different things get me excited. Very tall, very short, muscular, seductive, I 'm a guy and have been married to a G women for almost 25 years. I didn't come across the trans scene until after I was married. I don't know why but I am lustful for them. b wishes
MrVision1992 1 year ago
I guess I'm the good chaser you told us all about in the video. IDK I'm just really into trans woman... I do find the penis part a turn on but I guess that is cause I'm bi hahaha.. but I just find them way more fascinating then girls born in the right body... just for some reason... it is like you just said some guys just like going out with blonde haired girls or blue eyes or japanese or chinese girls... or guys. But I'm mainly in the relationship for romance and the last reason is the genitals
indexxxxxxxx 1 year ago
A wise woman. I'm a gay white cis man who pretty much only dates latino cis men. I don't think there's anything weirdly fetishistic about it, it's very similar to what you said about Italian men!
scottmonterey 2 years ago
nicely said- you're a total cutie btw xxx Jim
greenhawk46 2 years ago
before i recieve the thumbs down by the TS committee, i am not a chaser, just a dr jeckyl/mr hyde-like bitch-slapper/nice guy :)
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
i feel bad for some of these tranny chasers...they are so lost and looking for a temporary satisfaction...over time we will be able to date and get open on both sides but for now we are going to have to sift through the bad ones..
Fiorwestcoast 2 years ago
yes they're lost, but the notion is being propagated that they should stay lost i.e the "fuck off" comments on some of these videos. but i guess if some of them are redeemable they are renamed admirers.
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
I am NOT a trannychaser. It is disrespectful to those of us who date transpeople. Why is it considered any different to people who are attracted to bio men or women? I am bi/poly/multi/pan/omnisexual. Choose whichever you feel is appropriate.
grahamhg 2 years ago
cont. However thankyou for saying what needs to be said. There are to many transwomen who hate men that are attracted to them. Seriously girls a straight guy who dosen't know is highly unlikely to date you after finding out. I just wish the word 'chaser' was reserved for guys who just want sex.
grahamhg 2 years ago
drop the confusing labels; because the masses have already labeled you a "fag"/chaser (this is not an insult). you fuck trannies move on.
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You are a dude. Fact.
covertbabo12 2 years ago
You are ignorant. Fact.
Christadarling 2 years ago
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i find it ironic that many transgirls are self loathing because of their weewee mistake (i hear the usual "i wish i never had this blasted penis, i hate it", but then have the time to pounce on those who wank to trannies and attempt to hook up for some old fashion butt-action, or to learn more about/embrace what they've been whackin' it to. perhaps they should go to brazil. those girls or third sex seem like better sports on the topic of tranny chasers...
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
No one has any reason to defend or help these sorts of chasers. There is a general expectation from some men that women who find their advances distasteful are uppity and think they're 'too good,' implying that they don't know their place. The idea here is that it isn't wrong to like transwomen, but to fetishize and disregard their identities, and other aspects of themselves than their bodies is reprehensible.
Netzar89 2 years ago
than why are you on this expletive rampage about people who don't like tranny chasers?
lol
get a life
YacketyShmakety 2 years ago
save that exploitation shit for the next sucker. he wants to get his rocks off, so what... the guy needs help or a fix, but you're on the "fuck off and die leper" rampage for that second, so in the eyes of the trans community he is automatic filth to be avoided. again pehaps it's better that he be pointed in a direction where he's either getting help or his money's worth.
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
someone's bound to ask so let me answer. no i am not a tranny chaser, i just refuse to sit idly by while this assault on T chasers continues. the closest i've been to a trans was in DC when i complimented a trans' tits. it was perfect; horrah to who ever did that job. it was better than many natural female boob jobs; it deserved praise. that is a different obsession altogether, but i'm sure the trans-community has their own nkvd-like files on breast men!
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
and i'm pretty sure it's not too hard to recommend him the local trans-prostitute either if you don't want his time or lovin. perhaps in this case he can confront the possibility of sex, love, and/or regret. in the end that pervert needs love too like GG Allin said in his love ballad "i'm sucking one, butt fucking two, caroline and sue"
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
in defense of the evil tranny chaser because they need defending. chicks w dix; that's what gives the guy a boner, as sick as it may be is it really that wrong and should he be cast out for it; automatically put on a t-community blacklist like some sex offender, this paranoid trans community shit is like some game of telephone gone horribly awry. the chaser should be direct in his pursuit for the third sex and not waste his time trying to win you impossible women over
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
If you didn't notice, I was defending tranny chasers in my video.
icecoldbath 2 years ago
no, no, no my dear. I heard fuck you.
i was defeanding 'evil' tranny chaser you didn't go on that much about!
GROZNAYA 2 years ago
So you are defending those who exploit others in order to get their rocks off? Exploitation, yes, it really is wrong.
icecoldbath 2 years ago
"i'm not a tranny chaser, i'm a tranny catcher."- margaret cho
& by the way, i definitely agree with you about the fact that being attracted to trans people is often just like "having a type."
i've been attracted to a lot of trans people (both ftm and mtf); i think it just happens
lol, sorry this comment turned out to be so long! also, let's be youtube friends? :)
calliopelynx 2 years ago
Well, if one goes after what they like, I don't know if it's a bad thing. It all depends on the circumstances of their want, and what they would do for it.
JoeSomebody2 2 years ago
I love your logic. These kinds of situations should be regarded on a case-by-case basis. A cisguy who likes transwomen isn't necessarily out to mistreat them, he may very well just be a cisguy who likes transwomen, for whatever reason. The only way to determine who someone is is to get to know them.
The last time someone was interested in me, I was an androgynous internet enigma, and while she was attracted to that, she wasn't swayed when the "truth" came out.
Sincerely,
An Italian Transguy
CardinalW 2 years ago
Yea, sex is a big component for the chaser. I think for a lot of them, once they get past that, something more "real" may happen. It's happened in my case in (2) instances; although sex is a factor, there's more to follow. The ideal is when they get to the point where they take you out in public, to lunch, whatever, not ashamed to be seen with you. It's a symbiotic situation: they need us and we appreciate their attention. I've noticed a larger proportion of Italian guys, also.
xtraceex 2 years ago
Trannies chase me!
DarylWashingtonV4 2 years ago
I definitely agree with you on this.
Mariogirl16 2 years ago
Sounds like the voice of reason to me. My father taught me that you don't hold the group responsible for the actions of some members. He had no idea that I'd apply it to transexuals, but the principle holds. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical of people, but you don't want to spend your life in hostile mode. Not because you harm others, but because you harm yourself.
jonfrum 2 years ago 2
The problem is, that where I live, in the South (uggh), we don't have that many trans women here that seem pretty normal like you. Many of them are more flamboyantly gay that trans women, if you can see my point. I am not gay, but to me trans women are women because of your internal biology of your brain. Your brain was born as a woman even if your body wasn't. I have just never met another trans woman that was semi-normal in my city.
trex257 2 years ago
Your point about liking and not liking trans women and then dating them is correct to a point. However, if you have never met a trans woman, you might not ever know if you like them. I met a transwoman that was BEAUTIFUL. I knew by looking at her that she was trans because of the height, hand size, etc. She had reassignment surgery though. I never went out with her but she was gorgeous and I would consider going out with her or someone like her if I had the chance.
trex257 2 years ago
real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
superthundereagle 2 years ago
Ah. Being a somewhat older transwoman, and only recently lost enough weight to fall into the "attractive" range, I've never really had the chaser problem. My take on this for you, on a somewhat humerous note, is ENJOY YOUTH! :P As a female, once one hits about 35 one finds that not many people are interested in one in any way, whatsoever, let alone sexually. :P
autumn59 2 years ago
Ironically, people have only been interested in me for sex. It does not seem to matter what I look like, or how well I pass, or how old I am. The only people that have been interested in me, have been the skeezy pervs that only want me for sex. I have even been propositioned for sex simply cause I am Trans...
I would truely love to have a few "normal" guys interested in me. To be interested in having a relationship, not just hot sex...
Tabygrl 2 years ago
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publicdrunkeness 3 years ago
I guess I would consider myself bi-curious of being with a transwoman not just on a physical level but on a mental and spiritual level as well. I don't still see the reason why its still called transwoman or transman since you all finally reached that goal to become fully the opposite sex. I would thought it would be trans only when you are going through the phase such as pre-op.
williambrown007 3 years ago
well i have long black hair, skinny, wearing girls things, etc just a girl. no gay guy dating me, mostly bisex or str8.
in da club,guy came over me, and dance with me, touching, kissing, n being more wild... well i dont kiss anyone who came and dance with me, im picky also. but then i always said, that "im not a woman.." some guys are just shock.. and looking at me from top to bottom.. but then he said, I DONT CARE.. lol...
some are just came and says, "im not a gay but i really like you!"
gogeFemboy 3 years ago
Goge, a guy saying "I don't care" makes me nervous. In a lot of murders against transwomen, although the male perpetrators claimed they didn't know the victim was trans, very often, the transwoman due to voice, wig, location... in a lot of ways, were identifiably trans. The guy didn't care... UNTIL he gets his rocks off. Then guilt, homophobia & transphobia set in (followed by violence). Men overlook at lot in the search for sex, but we're the ones who deal with the aftermath. Please stay safe.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago 3
I am single and a no tranny chaser but honestly I can say I really like you
finchtastic 3 years ago
i love you so girl:P
liuwenjie6678 3 years ago
O.k.....here's my personal perspective - I am trans-identified (MTF), but have never had the courage to transition (fear of rejection, fear of job loss etc.).
I have always been attracted to women, and I feel that trans-women are more likely to understand who I am.
My hope would be to find someone who is accepting of me, and who would feel comfortable knowing that I accept her and relate to her.
I'd prefer someone who has had SRS or at least plans to, and would encourage my transition.
riverwest1 3 years ago
"...and would encourage my transition."
Only you can drive your transition, being dependent on someone else to motivate you defeats the point of transition.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Ultimately - you are correct in regards to anyone's transition being driven by one's self.
But as you well know, its a hard and lonely road, as you've documented quite accurately "(Good Reasons to Freeze to Death" and others). Having to deal with trans issues alone, with no family or friend support is extremely difficult. And fear is a very real thing that doesn't negate how real our feelings are.
I do believe that those who have support/encouragement are best able to find fulfillment.
riverwest1 3 years ago
River, transwoman who are lesbian might be very supportive of your transition. Straight transwomen... maybe supportive/maybe not. Obviously, they've been there/done that so one would hope they have empathy for what you're facing. But I've heard of a couple of situations where transwomen hooked up to someone mtf who was totally "pre" and didn't support their transitioning since they still desired a "male" partner or thought two transwomen would be too much drama. Selfish, but... there it is.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
I agree that it would be a lesbian identified transwomen (or maybe someone who is bi) who for obvious reasons would be most supportive.
Straight transwomen are attracted to men. Bottom line.
I can't believe that any transperson would assume that being in a relationship with a non transperson would be free of drama. There are plenty of videos on here from transwomen dating guys who are crushed when he runs for the hills when she tells him she's trans.
Rejection hurts regardless.
riverwest1 3 years ago
I wish your video would mention more reasons why someone might be fascinated with transwomen. We're hardly a homogenous group. I still believe a lot of chasers feel (maybe not consciously) transwomen aren't as much of a threat to reject them because they're 'grateful, needy and lacking self-esteem'. Because they're perceived as having 'a shameful secret' that takes their power away and makes them easier to dominate. A search for power is behind a lot of chasers. Not saying that's always bad.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
Oops! I replied to this comment on another one of your comments. You know, for someone as opinionated and obviously intelligent as yourself, you should make videos. :)
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Great video! I'm glad you talked about this, it isn't something that is talked about often. I am, for the record, a trans guy.
I think it's good to separate creeps from non-creeps; there are some people who are attracted to trans people that aren't creeps, while there are also the porn lovers and that sort that just want to fulfill a fetish.
I don't pass well, so I haven't really encountered any chasers, but I might make a video anyway with my thoughts...
deusabscondidum 3 years ago
I actually find the girls who chase trans men to be more interesting. Since in the queer community that seems to be deemed much more socially acceptable although for many of those girls, they are being equally creepy and oppressive of trans men.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
We (society) like to believe women don't objectify men (much less transmen) the way men objectify women (or transwomen). Perhaps it's not identical, but I certainly see a lot of my women friends, both straight and gay, who project a LOT onto the guys they're involved with and give those guys a lot of sh*t if they don't live up to the projected fantasy. Maybe because of women's societal lack of power, what's projected onto us makes it more debilitating? I'm not sure.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
I don't know if women chase transmen, but men certainly do their share of lesbian chasing, which then spills on to us because they think we are another form of lesbian. In either case, I find it's all a case of fitting someone into a box and not wanting to let them go. Maybe if I lived in a place where women liked women more, instead of pretending they did to get men. There are women who want women that think transmen just need to be comfortable with themselves, and we're called anti-feminist.
deusabscondidum 3 years ago
Michael (deusa): It's the entire "Gendercator" bs of how transmen are somehow being tricked and forced by the evil binary forces (of which transsexuals are the prime representatives) into transition, yes, instead of accepting their non-binary true selves. It's so dismissive and condescending. MTFs have heard this cr*pola for years from gay activists like Jim Fouratt. Grrr. I wasn't aware straight -identified guys were pursuing transmen. That's a new one for me!
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
Oh yeah. Trans men get the chaser gangbang, I forgot.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
yes, there are some women who do chase transmen simply for their trans status. Some are even lesbian identified. Some still view transmen as women so some may hop into it, trying to treat a ftm like they're just a big ol' butch that decided to take hormones for the hell of it.
& I've definitely received my fair share of "just be comfortable with yourself" messages. It just shows they don't quite understand what it means. & if anything, I feel strongly for women. I'm just not one. :-/
laidbaqq 3 years ago
I have found out since posting what I did here about the problem transmen have with trannychasers who are women. In my case, I think I haven't run into them because I avoided lesbian social circles at first, and now can't find them even if I want to seek them out.
I wonder if there is something comparable with straight women and MtFs? Because I know there is a problem with straight women desiring to 'turn' gay men, and it seems disregarding trans identities has a relationship with this too.
Netzar89 2 years ago
Good video!!! I completely see where you are coming from!
Your hair looks pretty, it's all swishy! :D
ILoveGravitationOOO 3 years ago
Haha yes, the many wonders of wavy hair *rolls eyes* haha
icecoldbath 3 years ago
My hair's wavy...but all it does is poof out! :(
It makes me look like a troll doll! D:
ILoveGravitationOOO 3 years ago
I think I've always thought that tranny chasers were bad because they like a person for what they are, rather than who they are.
There is also a perception that most tranny chasers are closeted gay men who can't handle the thought of coming out as gay. And a trans woman is the middle point, where it's acceptable.
I've also gotten the impression from some trans folks that they don't think they're going to find anyone, so they have to settle for whoever they can get.
neverlookback75 3 years ago
this is exactly how I feel unfortunately :/
HillaryTS 3 years ago
That's unfortunate. I think that it sucks that trans folks have to go through so much in their early life, that they're end up with the lower regard for themselves. I think that they should all be confident and tell anyone to "fuck off" if they can't handle the trans aspect.
neverlookback75 3 years ago
Well yes, that is the typical thing you hear in the trans community, I don't think its necessarily true though. That is what my video is about. :)
icecoldbath 3 years ago
cont:
b/c i've had guys tell me they would LOVE to be with me as long as I don't loose my penis, the attitude I picked up from them was, "Then you'd be too much like a real female so what would be the point in dating you, I'll just get a REAL female". Fortunatly I was born with a petit body and I'm only 5'5 and I want someone who will like me for being fem and petit, but it seems like most people who date trans women STILL expect and want masculine traits in me to a certain degree.
pgy002 3 years ago
Well like I said, you will always meet some jerks.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
This is one thing that's always scred me, it seems like when a trans women DOES get SRS, it really rules out a lot of potential partenrs. I know there are a LOT of men and women who like to date pre op trans women for the girl body and the penis, but when you get SRS, it seems like most people's attitude is, "You're TOO MUCH like a girl and if I wanted to date a girl I'd just date a REAL ONE," That's something i've picked up on maybe you've noticed it too.
pgy002 3 years ago
you look great sweetheart.
fish094 3 years ago
Ashley, very good video as always. Very interesting comments from everyone. I been straight all my life although I can admit I'm bi-curious. Twenty years ago I don't think I could handle dating a MTF. Today if I was not in a relationship I would have no problem at all, I do find many trans girls very attractive (it would not matter to me if the person choose to keep or loose it). I do love everything femme, and I myself would enjoy having a more femme look even though I'm a guy.
robinsweet 3 years ago
Its not hard to look more femme, you just shave off all your body hair, grow your head hair long and wear tight clothes
icecoldbath 3 years ago
haha, good plan except I'm going bald thus growing long hair is not in the plan. Maybe in the next life if there is one. BTW, love your videos, you generate lots of great comments.
robinsweet 3 years ago
What is your take on Tgirl - Tgirl relationships? Are they worthwhile or doomed to failure? In some respect I (may) be a trannychaser as I feelthat sort of relationship for me is safer, more understanding, more symbiotic, etc. But maybe it could be more disasterous in the long run, idk. I just know that i met someone today that i really connected with and they are also MtF trans....what to do :{
TGirlAshley 3 years ago
I'm no relationship expert, but date who you feel comfortable with. :)
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Some guys with no prior trans dating history meet a transwoman, don't know she's trans, but get connected enough to them as a woman/person and wish to continue the relationship (it happens);
There are cheaterpants who are in relationships with ciswomen but f*ck around with transwomen on the side;
To me so much has to do with how open the guy is about his relationship with you. Is he willing to have you meet his friends/family/co-workers? If so, he's an appreciator, If not... he's a chaser.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
I'd say that scenario you mention is a rare one indeed and probably mostly just a fantasy among straight trans women. A fantasy that i'm trying to challenge in this video.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
It may be a fantasy of many straight transwomen, but it does, in fact happen. I've known at least 5-6 women it's happened to. You're still a fairly recent transitioner, so perhaps you have a different perspective on this. True the vast majority of transwomen are recognizable as trans but there are increasing numbers of people who are way more integrated into cis-society (whether that's a good thing or not). I don't make a judgment on it except that it's genuinely some people's experience.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
Well if you are going to pull the age card, I guess i'll just have to sit back, nod and smile at you. The person who I mention discussing this issue with is not a recent transitioner herself and likewise I consider myself fairly integrated into the cis world.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Never once mentioned age. Not a bit. It's where one is in the transition process. Can you acknowledge that you might have a different perspective than someone who was just approaching or starting transition or from someone who transitioned years ago? Sometimes our perspectives change as we go through this passage. Comme c'est bizarre, non?
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
Yeah, but you were using that notion of transition progress as an "I'm right, because i've been at this longer then you". That is still the age card just prettied up in trans language.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
OMG. Fine. Absolutely then, no doubt you're right no matter what. You've known many women who've transitioned 20-30 years ago, have been married, yadda, yadda. Seriously, if you can't accept that people have been exposed to things you haven't and open yourself to the concept they might have perspectives that differ from yours not only to "win a disagreement" then fine, you're the winner. Btw, when you're older you'll experience how often young people play "the age card" in reverse.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
I think you should work on trying not to get defensive when people question the validity of your analysis. I wasn't claiming to be right, I was just suggesting that I couldn't respond to what you said. You are right you have probably been at this longer then me. This may or may not give you a better perspective. I won't be able to evaluate that analysis till i'm older. You just pushed the discussion to a moot point, what else is there to say?
icecoldbath 3 years ago
And I suggest you not categorize people's experiences as "fairy tales," it tends to make people think it's not really a discussion and more of a 'yea-saying'. I've never said "better perspective" I said it was my perspective based on my transition (and some other women I know), your perspective is based on your transition and people you know. I'm not going to argue that point, and it's not moot, it's an important reminder for anyone who's 'telling it like it is."
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
You remind me of my mother with your moralizing castigation. :)
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Gee, Ashley, can't imagine why on earth your mother would feel the need to morally castigate you. Don't tell me you would endlessly argue with her? Enlighten us. (or not). However I'm berating you doesn't mean I'm not interested or don't value your perspective, just that I don't take it as gospel and I feel certain that's reciprocated.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
well as a Queer Chaser of all things femme, i find myself, attracted to the femme image, any shape, size or color, package or no package......
sissycd28 3 years ago
good for you. :)
icecoldbath 3 years ago
logic in that post.
thejenyus 3 years ago
Thanks!
icecoldbath 3 years ago
There's the option where maybe the word chaser is used too liberally to describe these types of guys, idk - then again, some guys who are generally smart, nice (and often relative keepers) will wear the word chaser almost as a badge :/
GoldRainGirl 3 years ago
(besides, you know perfectly well every guy I've dated would potentially fall under that term anyway, the good and the bad :p so I'm not protesting much ;) )
GoldRainGirl 3 years ago
tranny chasers are great. i always thought that they like us cause we we're into the back door. well some of us.
hey i love girls with a nice large chests, is that wrong? i think not.
love this vid. awesome points!
btw, there are a few really hot "trannies" on youtube. i would be a chaser if i wasn't happily engaged.
candiFLA 3 years ago
Glad you enjoyed the video!
icecoldbath 3 years ago
I always thought T-girls would prefer Tranny chasers
xxShannonGreenxx 3 years ago
Haha, you obviously don't talk to many trans girls. Most of us have a knight in shining armor fantasy like you wouldn't believe!
icecoldbath 3 years ago
I don't talk to any trans girls
xxShannonGreenxx 3 years ago
i've had a very similar view on "chasers" for a while so i'm glad you brought this up.
one thing though: according to your definition it seems you have to be male to be a chaser. i'm a female who would qualify for the title if it weren't for my gender. seems i'm in the minority of a minority heehee. ah well, i prefer "trans-amorous" anyways since it doesn't have the negative connotations.
MadameMalaise 3 years ago
On principle I absolutely agree with you, but I don't have the practical experience to say that you're right. Even so, I still think that it is something to be considered when dating anyone whom admits to a trans-predilection.
MidskakurUlvur 3 years ago
true, it is mostly a theoretical consideration.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
cool video, ashley btw :)
HillaryTS 3 years ago
Thanks Hil!
icecoldbath 3 years ago
You know, I think that just not dating anyone tends to solve most of the problems with "trannie chasers". But then again, I tend to prefer women anyway.
amberb57 3 years ago
Haha I almost put a disclaimer on this video that lesbian trans women didn't need to watch this video.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
LOL You do make some good points in the video. If you want to date men, it helps to find men that like trans women, otherwise it could be risky for your safety. Some guys might freak out when they find out that you have "extra parts". That tends to make "tranny chasers" a bit more appealing.
amberb57 3 years ago
Well I guess I am an asian chaser. Sometimes people have psychological issues that may attract them to a certian group of people. I myself are mentally turned off by some people due to things I disliked in my past that have just manifested in my mind. In the times now many just like to fit into a category or toss others into a category I am not a fan of that. It seems oppressive.
sevenwst 3 years ago
I like categories, i don't think they have to be a bad thing. :)
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Nice outlook!
Refreshing!
3vil1 3 years ago
Thanks! I always like to push against the grain when I can!
icecoldbath 3 years ago
I object to being called a "tranny chaser" as much as trans-women dislike being called she-males. I enjoy t-women because they understand femininity better than most girls. Most g-girls dress up only for "special occasions" or if they are going to be around other women....but they consider their boyfriend as "chopped liver"....not worthy of impressing....or treating me like a man, once they feel that they "have you". Most men want to be treated like they matter, and t-women do a much better job.
thejimray 3 years ago
I call you guys tranny chasers because its empowering for me. Men have all the power and control in society. They run everything and make all the decisions. Especially cis guys, like yourself, versus a trans woman. Its my belief that since you control everything, you can deal with some name calling. If things were ever equal between the sexes, I'd consider stopping. :)
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Hey Jimray,
I only dress up for special occasions and it isn't in totally skin revealing outfits or anything. I addressed the 'understanding femininity better than issue' in my reply, but I don't really think that's the case. I think many guys (and I won't call you a chaser) expect us to be little sex goddesses all the time but those days aren't always there. i can tell you that my bf will be treated like gold and it won't have anything to do with anything other than my love for him :)
MeghansLife 3 years ago
Hi Meghanslife,
I guess I am partial to trans-women because I understand their issues better than most guys. On the spectrum, I fall closer to being trans myself than being "all-male". I enjoy my feminine side as much as being a guy. I once "dated" a guy as a crossdresser but enjoyed having girlfriends too. Being truly bi-sexual gives me a better perspective, and guys like me are real admirers of trans-women. I like feminine t-women, but self confidence is sexiest overall. and Ash is beautiful.
thejimray 3 years ago
lol you are so full of shit
HillaryTS 3 years ago
don't be mean. :(
icecoldbath 3 years ago
i sry
HillaryTS 3 years ago
Why thank you!
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Hey Ash, a few thoughts. I think there's an important distinction between chasers and guys who are capable of loving a transwoman. It's been my experience that there are guys who dating cisg's before, but the transwoman has to be so completely "passable" that he doesn't see her as being born with a guy body ever. Many guys into transwomen are focused on genitalia. Post-op women don't do much for them (generalizing of course). They also tend to have this desire completely compartmentalized in...
MeghansLife 3 years ago
their mind. Just like any other fetish, pre-op transwomen are objectified and used for fodder for sexual gratification. The biggest issue is how do you judge a chaser? A guy who says "oh, that's my attraction, just like apple pie, I just like transwoman" but he goes on to say things like "they understand my needs and desires, they are strong, they exude femininity compared to cisg, etc" is common. Chasers are smart, they say things for acceptance. Admitting they view you as a fetish isn't...
MeghansLife 3 years ago
exactly the best way to get what they want. That said, there are some really sweet, smart, put-together guys out there who might be attracted to me because I'm trans. Just as they are attracted to me for being trans, I'm not attracted to them for being attracted to me for being trans (I know, confusing, lol). I respect the right of EVERYONE to like who they want to like and pursue it, but we need to guard our hearts and be wary I think. Once again Ash, nice subject in the video :)
MeghansLife 3 years ago
"That said, there are some really sweet, smart, put-together guys out there who might be attracted to me because I'm trans. " - This is the type of guy I'm trying to describe in this video. :) I'd call them chasers because they pursue trans women, sometimes to the exclusion of cis women, but they also realize that the trans women are real women and they want a real connection.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Not liking someone because they like you seems to indicate some level of self hatred. Why do trans women all seem to want to ask why do you like trans women? Do blond women ask why do you like blond women? Just because someone is attracted to you because you are trans does not mean they view you as a fetish. I think if trans women learn to accept themselves more then they will stop being suspicious of "chasers"
DDS5511 3 years ago
Hi DD,
I don't think it's self-hatred, I think it's just trying to separate a guy who can love you for who you are and, more importantly, who you are becoming, than a guy who is interested in JUST one thing. For blonde-admirers I would wonder the same things...'will you love me if i get cancer and have no hair? is this guy just in love with me for my hair, my body, or is he really a good guy.' I think I'm just naturally full of questions but I love guys and I KNOW the right ones are out there :)
MeghansLife 3 years ago
Do you not think it's possible that a guy could be attracted to you because you are trans yet love you for your qualities? Attraction is just one part of the puzzle, if it is the only part no relationship can work.
DDS5511 3 years ago
Of course he can, that was my point. I think I'm agreeing with you here.
MeghansLife 3 years ago
Meghan, I appreciate your difference between loving someone for being blonde or loving someone if their hair fell out. But can't that, sometimes, take a long time, trials and shared experience to find out? There can be relationships that start on a surface level and become profoundly close. There are people who swear they're soul mates, but something spooks them and they suddenly need to leave. Hard to know if someone will really 'fight' for the relationship and hang in during the tough times.
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
My therapist, who's worked with transpeople for 25 years, also does a lot of couple's counseling. She said she's seen a many transwoman-cisman relationships where the transwoman absolutely refused to believe her partner actually loved and accepted her. The transwomen tended to be the ones to trash the relationship, often to their partner's confusion and dismay. Now, some of that might be self-esteem issues, but it also might be how ciswomen suddenly realize, "I can do better than this guy."
kabardinkasf 3 years ago
It's one thing to hate oneself, and another to recognize that it is common for people to be fetishized by certain parts of the population.
deusabscondidum 3 years ago
If a woman has large breast should she dislike men that like those large breast? Only if it were the only reason that a man liked her.
DDS5511 3 years ago
Speaking as someone who gets leered at a lot, it isn't all that entertaining, and I don't feel much sympathy for the guys who stop me on the street to give tired old lines. And I'm not all that well endowed, I have plenty of acne, and I'm not exactly a model.
Women have no obligation to appreciate a guy if he comes off all wrong.
deusabscondidum 3 years ago
... male anatomy, but can't handle the thought of being gay or bi. If someone's main reason for being interested in you is because you're trans or have male anatomy, that's where I'm very apprehensive about those people. But if they're attracted to you because they like your personality, or like the way you look, or because you're interesting, and have no issues with you being trans, those are the people to love and treasure.
thepotplant 3 years ago
Yeah, those guys just don't exist.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Well, I seem to have a 'type' of people that I find incredibly hot- namely cute shy nerdy european girls with freckles and/or red hair. Yet, what is the wonderful woman who I love more than anything in the world like? She's an assertive, bold not-very-nerdy half-Thai half-European girl with 0 freckles and black hair. Completely out of type, but I find her incredibly hot. So I don't advocate only sticking to type :-). Anyway, I think trannychasers are the scary ones who fetishise us or lust for
thepotplant 3 years ago
This is a good video, I definitely agree with you. I had a conversation about this same subject tonight with some friends. My friend didn't immediately consider that there are straight men who like dick (he is gay though, so it's understandable), when he commented that I should try to hook up with a gay guy. Merrr.
blickblocks 3 years ago
Yeah, there are some benefits to being with a chaser.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Need 20K? Why don't you just bake some apple pie. I'd love to eat your apple pie Ashley.
SnakeOilSam1 3 years ago
...ok
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Sweet.
Nuyeame 3 years ago
Thanks!
icecoldbath 3 years ago
I see. This is meant to balance out the egativity of my video, perhaps? Much more sympathetic. Very well. This is your approach, and I cannot judge whether it is right or wrong. We have our own paths, and priorities. after all. At any rate, well done. And I will see what I can do to rectify some misunderstandings with my video by producing a supplement for it.
))Lady Argiope((
wolfyPX 3 years ago
This video bares no relation to your video or the views you express. Have a nice day.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Did I really come off like that? Hmmm, I may have to go back and review this video. =P
Where are you? That doesn't look like Gville...? Are you out west? How is that?
grishno 3 years ago
Haha...Yeah you did. I was almost shocked watching it, by all accounts you shouldn't be friends with Leith given the things you say.
I'm in vegas this second on my way out west. The video is in gville though.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
...except that the three of us are aligned in that everyone's transition is personal and individual. Plus, Erin's just so damn fun to watch when she's ranting.
Vegas? I knew you'd hit it big one day... xoxo
riftgirlblog 3 years ago
Oh yeah definitely. I didn't mean to suggest any drama. :)
And Erin is cute when she is pissed off.
Nothing in Vegas but old people, strippers, and combinations there of.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
I liked that outlook that you have with your comment. I myself have not dated any Transwomen (knownly) but wouldn't mind giving it a chance, but as far as the sex is, that would I think for me depend if they are pre or post op. You give a good video and real inform
StarDeShine 3 years ago
Fair enough.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
I am a curvy trans. woman! Damn Irish ass.... and somewhat child bearing hips! I WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED!!! LOL ;) I really enjoy your videos and keep on using the word, disgruntled... because its my favorite word!!!
all the love!
<3
Jayne
ladyVixion 3 years ago
I have no sympathy for you! :-P
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Ashley- My first sex experience as a trans person (no-op at this point) was with a chaser who was in the bad camp. When I asked him why he liked transwomen- he said it was because "they are more submissive than REAL girls." That pissed me off on two levels- one that I was submissive becaue I was trans- and two- that trans women are fake. it really confused me about relationships with men- which I'm trying to explore. Now I'm still a little gun shy- if you pardon the expression. :)
ChevalierMalFete 3 years ago
Yeah, thats a fucked up reason. I'm sorry sweetie. Yeah men can be tough, its taken me a lot of perserverance to get past the riff radd for some decent exploration with them.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
That was a fantastic video :) I agree with you, and I think that some tranny chasers can offer us more appreciation and acceptance than many other men can.
Ja22i 3 years ago
Yeah I didn't even get into all the benefits of dating a chaser! I think there are lots of them.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
quanto sei stupida.
ShakespeareAvenue 3 years ago
your...
donri07 3 years ago
I'm not sure what to say, being neither TS nor a chaser. I guess people should date who they want, as long as the terms and intentions are honest.
femstarlight 3 years ago
Yup, pretty much.
icecoldbath 3 years ago
Another great video, interesting thoughts.
I'd like to point out that one of the main reasons you can't find non-chaser cis guys in relationships with trans women is that the women are living stealth, or at least not "out and proud." They are invisible to the queer community.
On the old issue about "does it make you gay if you're a guy dating a trans women": The chasers that are really into the penis certainly have a problematical sexuality ... which I'm all for.
aenoether 3 years ago