I would much sooner have a tough female commando veteran at my side than some of the fat male colonels you see around. Some of the toughest fighters in history have been women. When it comes to it, the women are generally braver. True bravery is found on the seat of the electric chair or when a noose is placed around your neck. Women like Joan of Arc show the way.
women should only be in the infantry is a) there willing to have their hair shaved, infantry and marines shave their head to prevent lice and so the enemy can't grab hair in hand to hand. b) be willing to urinate and shower with her colleges, in war u can't be picky infantry have little modesty in the field c) prove they can perform equal to male soldiers, an injured man isn't going to way 40 less pounds coz you have a vagina. Feminists don't use wars for ur social experiments, people will die.
I dont think anyone cares what the gender of the person next to them is when they are being shot at. It would be great if women could get proper training to be able to react to those intense situations.
If women want to get the training that will make them feel like GI Jane that is fine. However, intentionally placing women on the front lines is ludicrous. Large men have a difficult enough time carrying a wounded Marine while in a full combat load. For a woman, this task would be nearly impossible. Its not sexist, it is just the truth. If you have not experienced daily combat first hand, you probably shouldn't talk because you have no idea.
Lets get down to facts. I do not know the exact date, but I remember when a women was in a unit in Iraq, and her convoy got lost, and she was captured by the Iraq's. Then the Army had to send the Delta force to go in, and rescue her from her captures. The Army had to risk the lives of those men in the Delta force just for one woman. This is the reason why women should only be in the military in rear area positions only! There's your proof!
@turk18207735 that could have been a male who got caught? i believe that story but im just saying a man could have been in that position and the delta force would go in to save him too...it wasnt just cuz she was a woman, it was the whole convoys fault for getting lost in the first place.
@turk18207735 "The Army had to risk the lives of those men in the Delta force just for one woman. This is the reason why women should only be in the military in rear area positions only! There's your proof!" Isn't there a policy in the armed forces the no soldier is left behind....maybe that is why they went in to rescue her, because she was a soldier...Or are you one of the cowards who would leave your fellow soldiers behind as long as they are men.
@ruslanaukraine It is not a policy it is a creed. When it is possible no soldier is left behind. You must have forgotten about the Vietnam war, The Korean war, and of course World War II. Many soldiers were left behind, and none of them were women, and many of them died prisoners. I am not against women in the military. Just not in combat, or forward positions. You seem to sound like a women who may have served their country I don't know for sure , but you sound like it. If so I salute you!
@turk18207735 I'm very happy to hear that you'd never leave a fellow soldier behind, whether a man or a woman. Equality under the law dictates that any job should be open to women if they can meet the standards. I want those combat positions to be open for women, but that doesn't mean that every woman will qualify.I know I wouldn't :) I support our troops, and I know that me in the front lines will never ever happen even if I was given the honour to do so. It's a matter of equal rights, not ego.
@ruslanaukraine Also I never left a buddy behind even with bullets flying over my head, and I never will! You should not judge people if you do not know who you are communicating with. I will lay down my life when it comes to a fellow soldiers life!!! I have never been a coward!!! Why have you? Have you ever had bullets flying over your head, and your fellow soldiers being hit right next to you?
@turk18207735 I believe you are referring to the 507th. This incident could also be used as proof that men shouldn't lead convoys, as a man getting lost caused the incident in the first place.
@Vydio First thank you for your reply. Yes the incident did involve the 507th in Iraq, and yes a man was in command using a faulty GPS unit. In the first place it was faulty equipment that caused the incident. My point is that the delta force was sent in to rescue her. The Delta force did not rescue the soldier who was beheaded. So maybe you should ask his family is that fair that she is alive, and he is dead.
@turk18207735 Which soldier was beheaded due to the Delta Force not going in? You have evidence the Delta Force knew where this soldier was and did nothing? How ever did soldiers find their way prior to GPSs? It was by this thing called maps, which some men apparently didn't know how to read. His GPS was faulty? He only became aware of this after he took his company into Nasiriya?
@Vydio First the delta force does not know where the soldiers are until the CIA, or Army intelligence tells them. Second where you there, and how would know if the commander had a map? third here is your proof of a soldier beheaded, and many more. Go on the internet and type in the search soldiers beheaded in Iraq. Enjoy the pictures. This will be my last reply as I will not argue with you. Have a nice day.
@turk18207735 So you have no actual proof of your statements regarding the Delta Force not rescuing a soldier but doing so for Jessica Lynch? A commander is wandering around Iraq with a faulty GPS and no map .... sounds like the solid male leadership the military needs. If you really want to read what happened to the 507th I'd recommend Marines in the Garden of Eden by Richard Lowery. But prepare to be offended, as he is nastier than I am.
@Vydio Maybe you are nasty, maybe you were never in the military, maybe you were never in combat. Yes I have no proof of the Delta force rescuing a male soldier, because they never did, but there is plenty of proof they rescued Jessica Lynch. I showed you proof of Male soldiers beheaded. Now its your turn to show me proof of Female soldiers beheaded? Do you have any? As for the book I am glad you read. Now show me proof of female soldiers beheaded?
@turk18207735 Maybe you ought to quit making statements that imply the Army deliberately left male soldiers behind while sending in the Delta Force to rescue Lynch. Do you have proof that the Army knew the whereabouts of male soldiers and then did nothing to save them? No need to show you anything involving beheadings because it isn't relevant to my question. Did the Army deliberately leave male soldiers behind when they knew of their whereabouts?
Respond to this video... You are free to think maybe I wasn't in the military, however you would be wrong. I don't happen to think I am all that nasty, however you seem to get all defensive when I imply that male soldiers aren't the perfect beings many claim they are.
@Vydio Well if you are in the military I salute you! I also do not think you are nasty, but the phrases you use seemed that way. If I took it wrong I am sorry. I know all of us as human beings are not perfect, but I know there is a time and place for everyone. I just think that war is no place for a women as I value a women's life above my own. I am not a male chauvinist, and hope you are not a female chauvinist. I also checked your profile and found your in Afganistan so I wish you luck!
@Bryan022MP If you read my comment right I said I value a woman's life above my own. Not anyone else's. I did not say a mans life is worth much less. So next time please read carefully. Thank you. here is what I said. I copied it from below. I just think that war is no place for a women as I value a women's life above my own.
So if the military will be opened wide for female will that mean that all females will have to fill out their selective service draft cards on their 18th birthday?
Where is our politicians which we have wrote and they do nothing. we have the government NPRC, VA losing our reocords and admit it then we are denied by the VA for compensation because there is no records. They are intentally losing records, so they do not have to give compensation. Right now I been wait 5 years because the NPRC lost and admits loosing my reocords, i have been denied from the VA and now I wait for the VA appeals board another 3 year wait.
Canadian Forces females are allowed into any job in the military they want, that includes special forces, submarines, infantry, fighter pilots etc. EVERYTHING. The only thing that is required for them in terms of advanced training and special forces is that they meet the same physical requirements as the men with no exceptions. But for the regular forces and P-res they have slight variations. As for combat effectiveness and morale, nothing negative to report. If they can tough it out, why not?
@TashaRules Why not? because you just said it. They have to alter the training for women. And if you have 1 woman in the Canadian military that can pass what it takes to be a spec ops combat solider then the training ain't what it should be.
Any Man or women that wants to be considered equal to the other has a screw loose. It's like saying a square and a circle with the same mass are equal.
@TashaRules Well that's good. I'm glad to hear that women in the Canadian military have the same requirements as men. Now send them to the front, and let them huddle down in a fox hole while enduring an artillery barrage. They will put in for a transfer the next day if they survive and get it.
why would anyone have anything against women getting proper Combat training. They risk their asses to be out there doing there Job & that Job requires a Proper combat training. Women & men are equal in every aspect & in most cases perform better than men. They should be given the necessary training so that if things get nasty...they have the required training to deal with the situation.
- on the push-up test, only 7% of women can meet a score of 60, while 78% of men exceed it.
- adopting a male standard of fitness at West Point would mean 70% of the women he studied would be separated as failures at the end of their junior year, only 3% would be eligible for the Recondo badge, and not one would receive the Army Physical Fitness badge.
After a study was conducted at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, one expert testified that:
- using the standard Army Physical Fitness Test, the upper quintile (top 20%) of women at West point achieved scores on the test equivalent to the bottom quintile (bottom 20%) of men.
- only 21 women out of the initial 623 (3.4%) achieved a score equal to the male mean score of 260.
- in terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median. The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man.
An Army study done in 1988 found that women are more than twice as likely to suffer leg injuries and nearly five times as likely to suffer fractures as men.
Further, the Commission heard an abundance of expert testimony including:
- women's aerobic capacity is significantly lower, meaning they cannot carry as much as far as fast as men, and they are more susceptible to fatigue.
From the report of the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces dated November 15, 1992, it states in part:
The average female Army recruit is 4.8 inches shorter, 31.7 pounds lighter, has 37.4 fewer pounds of muscle, and 5.7 more pounds of fat than the average male recruit. She has only 55 percent of the upper-body strength and 72 percent of the lower-body strength.
2:20 or maby you were out there because YOU WERE A SOLDIER IN WAR! Not because you were female but because you were soldier. Firefights they happen to soldiers in war despite of race , age or gender
Well, lets just go ahead and let everybody in to the combat units. Blind folks should be allowed to be pilots. Double amputees should be in recon units, folks with no arms/legs can be grunts. You fucking people are nuts. American women cannot even have a baby without doctors on hand, days in hospital bed being waited on hand and foot. I saw women in Vietnam drop a baby at one end of a rice paddy and be back up working an hour later. American women are spoiled crybabies. Men will die for this.
@bacsi19461 What was the maternal mortality rate in the Valhalla known as Vietnam? How about the infant? You are woefully behind the times if you think women spend days in bed after giving birth. They had me walking 2 hours after.
@Vydio Wow, you were up walking after 2 hours of childbirth. Well, that settles it.You no doubt were ready to pick up a couple of 40 lb water cans along with your equipment and run thru the jungle or desert. I have no doubt you could lug a mortar tube and base along with 1/2 dozen rounds.Hell no you can't. All you would do is set back and a let male do it while you draw the same pay and shoot up the ranks so the Army can brag about diversity (also to get you out of combat). If men die, so what.
@bacsi19461 You are the one who made the ridiculous claim that American women laid around in bed after giving birth while Vietnamese women were toiling in the rice paddies. I asked you what the maternal and infant mortality rates were for this land of tough women .... I note you did not answer those questions but launched into a personal attack. That's usually a diversionary tactic. So what about those rates?
well if women want to be in the infantry let them , but let me paint the picture for you ladies out there , I just got back from a 1 year deployment in Afghanistan last month, I lived in a shipping container covered in sand bags that I had to build myself, we had no running water, no hot food, we got motored daily and shot at, my platoon of 30 had 3 deaths and 4 severally wounded, my friend got shot in the head next to me and i still have pieces of his brain on my helmet, this is reality people
@haydenman2 If you are ever inclined, look up this little incident we refer to here as the Cheshire home invasion. There are good reasons to oppose women in Combat Arms, but do not claim protecting them is a good one. These women were nowhere near a FOB. Didn't mean diddly squat.
Women aren't in the infantry for the same reason that guys and girls don't share locker rooms. If somethings not broke then don't fucking fix it. Don't fuck with grunts. If woman want to call that sexist then too damn bad. Grow a penis, register for the draft, and then we'll talk.
Women in infantry units and the like would also cause a serious morale problem. Anyone who has every been in the infantry knows what I'm talking about. InfantryMEN are different from other forces. Bonds are closer. In the ranks there's very little that doesn't get said. It's no place for women and rules for political correctness. Grunts shouldn't be asked to watch their mouths or check their behavior to suit a womans ears. It's not right.
Your right, "grunts shouldn't be asked to watch their mouths or check their behaviour to suit a womans ears." That has to do more with their comfortability around women. For example: I didn't ask a group of young men to stop making dirty jokes when I was going to walk past them. They MADE that decision based on the fact they feared the impression it would make on me as a woman and the ironic part is, I knew the joke one of them was about to finish!
No women in combat until women are required to register for the draft. Combat isn't a right; it's a responsibility. Nobody is "entitled" to a right to fight. It comes at a cost. I say, if women want to fight, they must pay the same price as men. Military standards for women must also be the same as those for men. No short cuts, no makeup, no long girly hair. If women think they can do what a man can do, then they have to do it under the same rules and standards. No exceptions.
Yes! women in front line combat..Equality right ? same rules right across..in this age of silly man "superior woman" this needs to happen.. forget the selective equality BS.
I'm sorry but I run into so many hard assed,mouthy,man haters looking for confrontation..just like racism.. is the back lash to the "suppression of women" ever going to end ? Do this & put it to bed...
@tjfreak Are you equally able to shoot kids because they shoot back at you over there with AKs and RPGs do you have the ability to stop menstruating for 1 year straight and go without a shower do you have the ability to shut the fuck up and do the job and quite your damned whining, can you not sleep around with the entire FOB so soldiers arent fighting over your fat sorry ass These are all the problems that we have already with the females in the support units , you want to be in join the draft
@haydenman2 Your reply to me, is as If I'm a female ? & for it.. I'm tired of men & women are equals, I'm tired of tough guy chick man haters,"Silly man" " man cave" crap ,the complete hypocrisy, its in the sitcoms,media, tv commercials...(I'm aware this is not ALL women) no phobias. The US military is not the place to test this,instead of disappearing in a cloud of bureaucracy &never brought to light,what better proving ground? men need to take a goddamn stand is what I'm sayin ..
Females in combat roles can be highly effective. In WW2 the average Red army woman sniper had 10 confirmed kills. Some female snipers got in excess of 200 and the highest got a staggering 300 confirmed kills.
The Kurdish resistance movement has all female fighter groups and on many occasions they have ambushed and taken out whole groups of Turkish men.
BTW when the kurdish women get captured they simply shoot themeselves in the head.
@haydenman2 You could, of course, do something about sleep around men. Oh, I forgot, they're not responsible for what they do. Maybe with DADT being history we'll just assign lesbians to all those FOBs. Of course, we will then be hearing the males whining about how they won't give us any.
BTDT. You folks tend to complain no matter what women do.
@haydenman2 Premenstrual 3 days bitchy and useless, actual period, 4or 5 days bitchy and useless, post menstrual, a couple of days bitchy and useless. Hey I was married twice I no how this shit works. Men will die because of this plan to put women in combat. The only women who can even come close to performing the combat role are butch dykes and that will be a real morale killer for the men.They will have to be on tiptoes all the time. Also, a huge percent of women get pregnant on cruises.
Women, CANNOT perform in "All" phases of combat, PERIOD! Of course, it's a given none will ever be SEALS (or even the lesser berets). There isn't a single SEAl or beret that would ever take more than 5 seconds to dispatch a female. It's that simple. Now, infantry or anything like that where women can get lost in the numbers game, .....maybe. They Are NOT combat material. Demi Moore's BULLSHIT movie was/is a hoax. What a joke!
If more women want to come home in body bags then let them. As long as they can keep up and do their part I dont care. When we get captured I will not give up any information when the interogator is raping her in front of me.
Women in combat is a joke and it will be the final nail the coffin for our once great military. First of all, what do you mean that women should have a choice whether to fight or not, men don't have that choice. If a man is assigned to a combat unit then his ass will fight, he can't opt out. The same thing will happen to the military that would happen to any football team if you force them to include women, they will eventually become weaker because they will be forced to accomodate.
Oh yeah, women and grandmothers too!!! All for equality's sake huh! So you think it's cute. Great! Vets and all. You ready to lose your arms and legs too! Not to mention that face. How will you wash dishes when you don't have those arms anymore.
Im in the army and my main opstion to women in combat is this im 6ft 194 pounds can a 5 ft 110 pound women get me outta oof an area if i am hit can she stand up to an enemy in hand to hand if it get to that
@Zain844 I am saying men are natrually stronger and bigger we can carry more and i know i can pull a small women to saftey but can a women pull me to saftey could they carry a combat load? Like i said i am not huge but im kinda big at 6ft 194 can a 5ft 110 pound women carry pull or drag me?
@soad316 First of all, a 5ft 110 pound woman wouldnt even pass basic training. My friend's wife is a firefighter, She's 5'10'' and weighs 180lbs and the physical tests weren't made any easier for her because she's a woman. All female units would solve many problems because a female soldier would have no problem carrying and dragging another female soldier. the reason why women dont serve in combat has more to do with emotional and tactical concerns, then physical concerns.
@Zain844 uh yes they do there is women that says in the army im stationed in ft.drum and i see small women in uniform all the time. why emotional and tactical they learn some tactics and we as soldiers are trained thats why my only concern would be could theykeep up physicaly, just cause they are women does not mean they will freak out or dont know the basic tactics all soldiers are taught
@soad316 Those "small" female soldiers aren't fighting on the frontlines. so it's irrelevant. Like I said having all female units would solve many problems. Since female soldiers would have to keep up with other female soldiers. It would be fair.
@Zain844 Your full of shit. Another female trying to fireman carry or drag another 180# female....don't make me laugh. And yes I know about Firefighter tests CPAT ect...less than .01% females can actually pass without help or increased time built into the program, just like Basic Training.....
Females in ground combat? Fine for me as long as all female Battalion. Next Falluja they can have a crack at it...good luck ladies. Too funny, you people watch too much G.I. Jane.
Less then 0.1%? Do you have any proof to back up this statistic? Please cite your source. Futhermore I know a female firefighter, She is 180lbs of solid muscle and is often mistaken for a man when she's in full gear and you can't see her face. She's an exception to the rule. I'm not saying ANY woman could pass most would fail. the percentage of those who would pass is pretty small but the 0.1% figure was either pulled out of your ass, or grossly overexaggerated.
@Zain844 I bet you could find any young teen training in any given gym playing football for highschool who will completely dwarf your female firefighter in strength. So they lowered the physical standards for firefighters and you're bragging about how your butch friend gets mistaken for a man. Even if a woman can meet the lowered minimum push-up or pull-up requirement, they are much lighter. Let's see your friend carry a 300lbs person down a flight of stairs, not happening PERIOD.
I'm sure a few teenagers are stronger then her however i'd say her strength rivals that of a reasonbly fit male Given how much she trains and the fact that she's the same size or maybe a little bit smaller then the men in her team. she had no problem carrying me on her back in while she was in full gear and i weigh about 175 which is roughly the weight of an average sized man. a 300lb person i dunno about that but even a male firefighter would struggle with that much weight.
@Zain844 I recall every single teen on my grade 11 football team could bench over 220 and squat 1.5-2x their body mass. These are kids, not grown men. The average weight for an adult male in the US is near 200 lbs. Many Americans are large people and it would make sense to have the most capable person in that position, not someone who can "pass" the minimum requirement after prolonged periods of training. Go to any gym and compare how much more your average male lifts compared to females.
@sashmuscle Being able to carry a 175lb person on your back may not sound all that impressive but considering she is a woman.. are there male athletes who are stronger then her? probably.. but she is ATLEAST as strong as a reasonbly athletic man.
@actonbath Futhermore, Males are bigger then females, It's much easier to drag and carry someone who is your own size or smaller then someone who is bigger then you, Simple logic. Having a woman in a male unit would cause problems because males would been compelled to carry extra load of females. Because thats how men are programmed. A unit with all females, a female soldier would be expected to carry their own weight and would not get any pity from her female comrades.
@MrGrayson78 I'd say you're correct. Not so much because men would feel the need to help out women, but simply because infantry units are only as strong as their weakest links. Those who meet the standard must take up the slack from those who do not. Marine combat infantry load is about 100 pounds. Someone falling out of a hump in combat isn't an option. That means everyone else has to carry that persons load. Everyone suffers and the units capabilities also suffer.
@actonbath that's why all female units are a good idea, just because women are weaker physically doesnt mean they shouldnt serve why should only men be forced to be sent off to war to die?
@bacsi19461 did you even read anything i wrote moron? ALL FEMALE COMBAT UNITS it would solve alot of problems. Sure they can't carry as much and not fight on the frontlines but they could still be snipers, do support and recon be security at checkpoints etc. When war starts its the males that get drafted. EVERYONE should get drafted or do you think men are expandable? only men should be sent off to war and die while women are safe at home? women should be forced into the army just like men
Women shouldn't be in combat and they definitely should have co-ed units. Anybody thats been in the military especially infantry or combat arms knows that most women couldn't hack and even for the few females that can measure up are you really going to put couple of women in an infantry battalion with a couple hundred men?
@tuopvm Put the words "women in combat karkal" into YouTube's search and click on the first video. Are you saying you know more than the Israeli Army?
@Sylux777 For one that unit is not a regular infantry unit. It says in the clip they are used for routine security patrols. Second, the commander also says that if there was a war he doesn't know if they would be used. Third, if this unit is so amazing and just as capable as any other why are they the only one? It would seem to me they would be doing this to every unit if it is such a success.
@tuopvm You were the one who made a blanket statement saying women shouldn't be in combat or co-ed units period, not just infantry. I directed you to an example that shows equal numbers of men and women in combat arms. And it's been pretty clear that the Karkal battalion is an experimental unit; perhaps Israel has been slow to integrate all of it's security patrols. A better question is if it's worse than all the other units why hasn't it been disbanded by now?
@Sylux777 You clearly haven't been in the military otherwise you would know that all that bs about them keeping up with the men is just that. BS. The vid is clearly nothing but a propaganda piece to drum up support. As far as why it hasn't been disbanded I can't answer that. I don't know as I am not intimately familiar with the inner workings of the IDF. They could be kept around for propaganda or because the IDF needs ppl.
@Sylux777 I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed in co-ed units, I said infantry or combat arms. The U.S. military has co-ed units. Learn to read before commenting on something you know nothing about other than the bs you've learned on Youtube.
Women have just as much right as any man to die for their country. But will they submit to the draft? Hmmm..... selective equality doesn't fly. Develop a series of physical metrics needed for combat and have men and women perform under the same standards. That will inject more credibility into their clamor for combat. Wanting to do something and being able to do something is not the same.
i believe if a woman is fully informed on what they want to do in the army being more on the combat side of it i think they should be more then welcome too. everyone is wearing uniforms the terrorist aren't gonna tell the differences between male and female in combat. and it doesn't matter what gender. if captured they get just as badly beaten or raped or even killed. yes there are certain circumstance that it may be different. buti think if any woman is to join the military and is aware
@johnnyponny4 Put the words "women in combat karkal" into YouTube's search and click on the first video. Are you saying you know more than the Israeli Army?
Let the women fight if they want to. Just don't start complaining when you don't get preferential treatment. Make up your minds what you want out of your military career. I think a good woman soldier is the exception not the rule, and don't know why a woman would want to have such a profession. The woman is special in that she is the vessel of life. But fine, if they want to get blown to pieces in some far away land.
Women don't belong in combat! Not because they can't fight, it's because when the men see a woman get lite up or blown up it has devistating effects on their moral. I'm talking heavy infantry and main line combat not policing the streets of Iraq.
Combat is more then just pulling a trigger...Its not that simple. Men are better suited for combat both mentally and physically and they naturally bond together better which is actually important. And its actually more for the emotional reasons that women are not allowed combat jobs. Women are more likely to freeze up and get themselves or another american soldier killed because they didnt shoot quick enough or just plain didnt shoot becasue they were afraid to take a life. And thats a fact...
Women can be tough in combat, but a male naturally protects women, and when a woman gets brutally killed in front of a group of males that think of her as a sister it takes way to much out of the troops. It destroys the moral. So yes if women were to be in combat it would need to be a whole team of them. I have been to Iraq twice and during the worst of it. I seen things happen to my brothers and sisters in arms that one should never see. Men cant see women die like that.
A good friend on mine who served in Tanks one said that he would not want a female crew member in his tank but that he would have no problem at all fighting allong side an all female tank crew. From my experience women are in combat, just not in an infantry role. I know of several female helecopter pilots and crew chiefs. If they weren't in combat then how did the bullet holes get in there aircraft? Ever hear of Jessica Lynch? Was she in combat?
@charlieChanning Ah, that great female hero Jessica Lynch. The one who first said she fired her weapon at the enemy. when that ferll thru from other witnessses, she said her gun jammed before she could fire. Oh really? Weapons do not jam when the first round is chambered and they fife reliably. They jam DURING firing. She panicked and got her ass captured. Fine, a man could have done that too. But her lies and the Army's lies (Bronze Star what a joke) made the whole thing a big scam.
Women shouldve been aloud in the army during vietnam war. So instead of men having to go into those tunnels women couldve since they wouldve done such a better job. And I also want know how the fuck you end up by yourself with insurgents firing at you. I can tell already your pretty smart.
4:56 thats right they should meaning women should be forced 2 sign up 4 selective service or face jail time like men do & be sent to the front lines immediately, not if they have no men to put there or some other bullshit
they should also have to pass the same physical test as men instead of some watered down one 2 accommodate there biologically inferior physical being. and we will know if women are doing equal work to men or getting favors based on how many body bags of women to men come back
so let me get this straight 'women have demonstrated there ability to perform well in combat' yet that bitch was standing by herself in the street while everyone else (undoubtedly male) had the sense to GTFO when bullets started dancing
first and foremost, i'd like to make the comment, which is also shown above above, that wome ARE doing these jobs, and are doing them WELL. However, because women are not properly trained for these kinds of missions, the discrimination set against women not being able to handle combat is futhered. If women want the choice to get themselves in these situations, let them decide for themselves. Besides, half of you guys don't have to guts to join as it is. Just swearing in makes them more corageous
'f women want the choice to get themselves in these situations, let them decide for themselves'
oh so women should have the choice but should be forced to through selective service and such.
and u say half of us dont have the guts, like you do. guess what ALL of us would be forced to go to war if ww3 broke out, not you so you can keep your trap shut and go back to your barbie dolls, and no just swearing in doesnt make them courageous. & women are trained just like men but with lower standards
being a medic in the army or any other position that isnt actually on the ground dodging bullets like the matrix isnt doing a job or doing it well, how many women have you seen come home in bags
and if anyone says women are better cause they can go and comeback from front lines without being killed or maimed well then i say have the men stay home and the front lines have nothing but women, since they can do it oh so much better
Women don't belong in combat if for nothing else, biological reasons...why this is even an issue astounds me. It annoys me to the point where I think, "fuck it...let her go. Let her learn her lesson."
Women want the LEGAL RIGHT to fight in combat. That does not change the REALITY of the job. There are standards and if a woman OR a man cannot meet those standards they don't get the job.
Trust me, women will NOT be flocking in the thousands for infantry positions. We have functioning brains too and we are able to realize our limitations.
Top 1% of men are no smarter that the bottom 7% of women, lol, seriously, the issue goes beyond pure strength...it's called OBJECTIVE REALITY.
@ruslanaukraine The army is going to do whats best for them, not women and it is best for them if women do not have the option to serve into combat, so that every women signing up means one more man for the frontline.
@cassius969 so that every women signing up means one more man for the frontline? Grammar Nazi disapproves. I have no clue what that sentence was supposed to mean. If you want to make your argument based on the difference of physical capabilities, that's fine. But you CAN NOT make your argument based on some top ranking penises' wish to protect male egos.
@cassius969 LEGALLY women are EQUAL to men, and unless we can not do the job, no man has the right to refuse us the job. No man has the right to decide what's the best place for a woman. If she can do the job, and do it well, the job should be hers. Like I said, the option for a woman should LEGALLY be there, and I will guarantee you, GUARANTEE you, that even with that option, most women will NOT join combat units. "Doing what is best" is the reason people commit atrocities on others. Ask Hitler
I was in the military in 1970. This generation of young men we have now, as a whole, aren't the men we were at their age. It seems all most of them do is sit in front of a computer or send text messages. They don't want to work hard and whine wen they have to. I think the women of the same generation are just as capable, if not more so, of fighting as they are. I would be happy to serve with female soldiers.
@deere3321 Thank you!!! I want to join the army but all I keep hearing women shouldn't go. And if we do we'll learn our lesson if we don't get sent home in a body bag. ((for the rest of you)) we ARE all equal. Men are not better than women same or vice-versa. Ok pleople? We all just want to serve our country just like anybody else!
I personally think that women should be allowed into these combat units provided they can pass all the tests and training required for combat, and NO lowered requirements either. They should also be integrated with the male soldiers and such as well.
If men can't handle the presence of women in their units, then why do people seem to think that's a fault of women, and not the man's own unprofessionalism?
The fact women may get raped if they're captured isn't a good excuse either, seeing as male POW's have been raped, plus there's THOUSANDS of other ways to torture someone, and not just by raping them.
The military should be looking for who's best for the job - not making assumptions or discriminating against people because of their gender/race/etc.
Not all men are aggressive, and not all women are motherly carers. It comes down to individuality at the end of the day.
@MentalicMike90 The only real argument is the reason why women aren't in combat arms. Generally women are about 20% weaker then men, Are unable to withstand the horrors of combat without breaking down, would break down the aggression level of a unit as a whole (due to the natural lack of testosterone), would cause the problem or rivalry and domestic problems within a unit. I only know this because my unit was experimented on and I witnessed it in P.O.G. units.
@esh325 A civilian's woman's lifetime risk of sexual assault is something like 1 in 6. The possibility of female soldiers being captured and raped is not a good enough excuse to keep them out of combat.
@MentalicMike90 And at the end of the day women cannot perform physically as men can!If a 230 pound man gets wounded a woman is not going to be able to run in under fire throw that man over her shoulder and run to safety!
@MentalicMike90 It's not a question of fault or fairness, it's a question of human nature. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her subjected to the kind of authority the military requires from a male superior. Some men can be trusted, some can't; it's a fact. Kept in separate units, I'm sure women can fight effectively, but we should also consider how that affects their mothering abilities later on. The PC BS we've been fed on this is based on politics, not reality.
nothing but a bunch of liberal propaganda bullshit..as soon as u see new york times u know its liberal bullshit..this video is so fuckin dramatic its unacceptable.. oh boo hoo poor women--oh boo hoo they don't get to fight in the military and be raped, maimed, get ptsd, or any other life threatening issue!!! Fighting and dying on a battlefield is not a place to look for equality--plain and simple!!
@paulicrack Woman say that they want equal rights,so give the equal right to die,be mained or disfigured in war as men to do...with no exceptions.Israel does it the Soviets did it,we should do it.Start the draft for woman!
@paulicrack But women are biologically different, and the great majority of them can't handle such a thing, such as special forces. They also have biological issues such as their menstrual cycle, as well as psychological issues that come from the fact that their hormone levels are far more unstable and wild than man's. Women should definitely serve in the military, just as any other well-bodied citizen should; just not in a direct-combat position.
@paulicrack whos scared , if they are going to let women in jobs that are traditionally are for men and endanger those male lives because of their inadequacies as females then I have a problem with that, but hell if its a choice and women dont see a problem with the sex issue in the front lines of battle then there will be no issue about a man using the womans bathroom or going to a womans college or see a OBGYN for care or site as the head of NOW or play womens sports , the knife cuts both ways
let s have women only platoons sent against taliban hardmen and let s have a laugh!this would prove women are no good to following men close combat.now,i know what you re probably thinking.you re wrong.i don t hate women but give me a reason why they should be allowed in front lines!??this is a total feminist joke!
It amazes me that people like you exist. It amazes me that you dare to criticize a woman while you can't even string a sentence together without making at least four spelling mistakes. It amazes me that in America people STILL deny the rights of a woman. We got our rights in 1919 folks. It's 2010. A lot of women aren't designated caretakers anymore. Let's get over male pride and train our women right.
@horselvr1010 women are not genetically designed physically and mentally to handle close combat situations as well as men can. Physically, avg grunt load is 110lbs and grunts patrol on avg 25-30 miles a day on foot. Women's body frame are not designed to handle those loads. Mentally, the mind of a woman is based mostly on emotions, once in a firefight and you let your emotions creep up then you're not effective. Also the psychological effect that it would put on men to see a female get blown up.
@horselvr1010 would destroy a man, and knowing why he failed at his job as a man to protect women would make him reflect and freeze during a firefight. Its all about combat effectiveness, its not criticizing woman, it's the facts! having a woman in a combat unit will decline the combat effectiveness that unit had. as for training, female Marines go through the same boot camp yes...however their physical fitness test is different. females do see combat but not in a direct way like the infantry.
Joan Of Arc was a teenage girl. She wore a suit of armor and rode on a horse in front of the men. BUT there is no evidence that she ever killed anyone.
In the end she was arrested and burnt at the stake.
Whether or not some of you "agree" or disagree with women in combat, the fact remains the same women ARE in combat today and have always been in some capacity throughout history! GET EDUCATED and find out how!
I agree both ways on this one. The ARMY expects women to do all the things required to do there job and on the "off chance" combat will show its face, they are expected to react. However, my job in the ARMY requires me to carry a 120lb rucksack and not skip a beat. I just don't think it would be safe for a woman to attempt to do so and risk her life and the lifes of others.
Also, what about the infamous pirates Ann Bonny, Mary Read and even the Irish pirate Queen O'Malley. They were known to be just as fierce if not moreso than the men.
It's funny how countries that have fully integrated militaries don't have problems with women in combat, but suddenly if it happened in the U.S. military sorts of "chaos" would occur. It's just the "conservative" mindset.
Now I'm sure someone is going to reply to this with some big exaggerated hypothetical situation where one female soldier will some day get in a combat situation with five 6'10" hairy Russian men with steroid muscles and rape her, but I'm not really interested, thanks.
The reason historically and culturally Men did a majority, not all, of the fighting was because Women were busy taking care of children, preparing meals, ect, ect, ect... In todays military a women is just as capable in Combat as a male. They suffer from PTSD the same as a male.
Are you serious? Just because you've not seen it doesn't mean it isn't so. Maybe you need to study some history and read about the MANY women in the past who were warriors, pirates, etc. Not all women sat home cooking and sewing you know.
Really?! Woman are not physically and psychologically capable? Wow on what plant have you been living? I have been a soldier for over 14 yrs and I DO have plenty of confirmed kills. And just for info, muscle is not a requirement. Skill more so. I have seen female soldiers take down guys twice their size. Obviously you have never served or you wouldn't write such ignorant garbage!
Do you think a company of female GI's soldiers would have been able to fight in Normandy or Market Garden or in Ardennes during WW2 against the all male Wehrmacht?
Front line combat...and yes a company of female GI's would do just as well as the males. Matter of fact the Marines do it every day! You know why this idea is laughable to you? Because you don't even serve your country nor have you probably ever considered doing the ultimate sacrifice or serve along side female soldiers. So why don't you get off your soapbox and leave the combat to us "weak" women...obviously you are too scared to do the job yourself!
I would much sooner have a tough female commando veteran at my side than some of the fat male colonels you see around. Some of the toughest fighters in history have been women. When it comes to it, the women are generally braver. True bravery is found on the seat of the electric chair or when a noose is placed around your neck. Women like Joan of Arc show the way.
EasyCompanyAirborne 1 week ago
Yikes.
mrmikeanthony 1 week ago in playlist NYTimes.com/Opinion
women should only be in the infantry is a) there willing to have their hair shaved, infantry and marines shave their head to prevent lice and so the enemy can't grab hair in hand to hand. b) be willing to urinate and shower with her colleges, in war u can't be picky infantry have little modesty in the field c) prove they can perform equal to male soldiers, an injured man isn't going to way 40 less pounds coz you have a vagina. Feminists don't use wars for ur social experiments, people will die.
98raza20 5 months ago
RPG r thrown at us?
totoynani143 8 months ago
I dont think anyone cares what the gender of the person next to them is when they are being shot at. It would be great if women could get proper training to be able to react to those intense situations.
WeBecomeSilhouettess 9 months ago
If women want to get the training that will make them feel like GI Jane that is fine. However, intentionally placing women on the front lines is ludicrous. Large men have a difficult enough time carrying a wounded Marine while in a full combat load. For a woman, this task would be nearly impossible. Its not sexist, it is just the truth. If you have not experienced daily combat first hand, you probably shouldn't talk because you have no idea.
rwpanfil 9 months ago
Lets get down to facts. I do not know the exact date, but I remember when a women was in a unit in Iraq, and her convoy got lost, and she was captured by the Iraq's. Then the Army had to send the Delta force to go in, and rescue her from her captures. The Army had to risk the lives of those men in the Delta force just for one woman. This is the reason why women should only be in the military in rear area positions only! There's your proof!
turk18207735 10 months ago
@turk18207735 that could have been a male who got caught? i believe that story but im just saying a man could have been in that position and the delta force would go in to save him too...it wasnt just cuz she was a woman, it was the whole convoys fault for getting lost in the first place.
23NikeWitness23 10 months ago
@turk18207735 "The Army had to risk the lives of those men in the Delta force just for one woman. This is the reason why women should only be in the military in rear area positions only! There's your proof!" Isn't there a policy in the armed forces the no soldier is left behind....maybe that is why they went in to rescue her, because she was a soldier...Or are you one of the cowards who would leave your fellow soldiers behind as long as they are men.
ruslanaukraine 10 months ago
@ruslanaukraine It is not a policy it is a creed. When it is possible no soldier is left behind. You must have forgotten about the Vietnam war, The Korean war, and of course World War II. Many soldiers were left behind, and none of them were women, and many of them died prisoners. I am not against women in the military. Just not in combat, or forward positions. You seem to sound like a women who may have served their country I don't know for sure , but you sound like it. If so I salute you!
turk18207735 9 months ago
@turk18207735 I'm very happy to hear that you'd never leave a fellow soldier behind, whether a man or a woman. Equality under the law dictates that any job should be open to women if they can meet the standards. I want those combat positions to be open for women, but that doesn't mean that every woman will qualify.I know I wouldn't :) I support our troops, and I know that me in the front lines will never ever happen even if I was given the honour to do so. It's a matter of equal rights, not ego.
ruslanaukraine 9 months ago
@ruslanaukraine Also I never left a buddy behind even with bullets flying over my head, and I never will! You should not judge people if you do not know who you are communicating with. I will lay down my life when it comes to a fellow soldiers life!!! I have never been a coward!!! Why have you? Have you ever had bullets flying over your head, and your fellow soldiers being hit right next to you?
turk18207735 9 months ago
@turk18207735 I believe you are referring to the 507th. This incident could also be used as proof that men shouldn't lead convoys, as a man getting lost caused the incident in the first place.
Vydio 8 months ago
@Vydio First thank you for your reply. Yes the incident did involve the 507th in Iraq, and yes a man was in command using a faulty GPS unit. In the first place it was faulty equipment that caused the incident. My point is that the delta force was sent in to rescue her. The Delta force did not rescue the soldier who was beheaded. So maybe you should ask his family is that fair that she is alive, and he is dead.
turk18207735 8 months ago
@turk18207735 Which soldier was beheaded due to the Delta Force not going in? You have evidence the Delta Force knew where this soldier was and did nothing? How ever did soldiers find their way prior to GPSs? It was by this thing called maps, which some men apparently didn't know how to read. His GPS was faulty? He only became aware of this after he took his company into Nasiriya?
Vydio 8 months ago
@Vydio First the delta force does not know where the soldiers are until the CIA, or Army intelligence tells them. Second where you there, and how would know if the commander had a map? third here is your proof of a soldier beheaded, and many more. Go on the internet and type in the search soldiers beheaded in Iraq. Enjoy the pictures. This will be my last reply as I will not argue with you. Have a nice day.
turk18207735 8 months ago
@turk18207735 So you have no actual proof of your statements regarding the Delta Force not rescuing a soldier but doing so for Jessica Lynch? A commander is wandering around Iraq with a faulty GPS and no map .... sounds like the solid male leadership the military needs. If you really want to read what happened to the 507th I'd recommend Marines in the Garden of Eden by Richard Lowery. But prepare to be offended, as he is nastier than I am.
Vydio 8 months ago
@Vydio Maybe you are nasty, maybe you were never in the military, maybe you were never in combat. Yes I have no proof of the Delta force rescuing a male soldier, because they never did, but there is plenty of proof they rescued Jessica Lynch. I showed you proof of Male soldiers beheaded. Now its your turn to show me proof of Female soldiers beheaded? Do you have any? As for the book I am glad you read. Now show me proof of female soldiers beheaded?
turk18207735 8 months ago
@turk18207735 Maybe you ought to quit making statements that imply the Army deliberately left male soldiers behind while sending in the Delta Force to rescue Lynch. Do you have proof that the Army knew the whereabouts of male soldiers and then did nothing to save them? No need to show you anything involving beheadings because it isn't relevant to my question. Did the Army deliberately leave male soldiers behind when they knew of their whereabouts?
Vydio 8 months ago
Respond to this video... You are free to think maybe I wasn't in the military, however you would be wrong. I don't happen to think I am all that nasty, however you seem to get all defensive when I imply that male soldiers aren't the perfect beings many claim they are.
Vydio 8 months ago
@Vydio Well if you are in the military I salute you! I also do not think you are nasty, but the phrases you use seemed that way. If I took it wrong I am sorry. I know all of us as human beings are not perfect, but I know there is a time and place for everyone. I just think that war is no place for a women as I value a women's life above my own. I am not a male chauvinist, and hope you are not a female chauvinist. I also checked your profile and found your in Afganistan so I wish you luck!
turk18207735 8 months ago
@turk18207735 So,you're saying a man's life is worth much less than a womans?
Bryan022MP 7 months ago
@Bryan022MP If you read my comment right I said I value a woman's life above my own. Not anyone else's. I did not say a mans life is worth much less. So next time please read carefully. Thank you. here is what I said. I copied it from below. I just think that war is no place for a women as I value a women's life above my own.
turk18207735 7 months ago
So if the military will be opened wide for female will that mean that all females will have to fill out their selective service draft cards on their 18th birthday?
Bigredcfr 10 months ago
Where is our politicians which we have wrote and they do nothing. we have the government NPRC, VA losing our reocords and admit it then we are denied by the VA for compensation because there is no records. They are intentally losing records, so they do not have to give compensation. Right now I been wait 5 years because the NPRC lost and admits loosing my reocords, i have been denied from the VA and now I wait for the VA appeals board another 3 year wait.
BigBry49 10 months ago
4:34 "G.I. Jane" please remove the cog cover to aim your weapon...you might hit something next time lass.
DeusVenator 10 months ago
Allow women in infantry combat roles...in all women combat units.
"..a firefight" , big foking day lass.
"G.I. Jane" isn't real tossers.....
DeusVenator 10 months ago
Canadian Forces females are allowed into any job in the military they want, that includes special forces, submarines, infantry, fighter pilots etc. EVERYTHING. The only thing that is required for them in terms of advanced training and special forces is that they meet the same physical requirements as the men with no exceptions. But for the regular forces and P-res they have slight variations. As for combat effectiveness and morale, nothing negative to report. If they can tough it out, why not?
TashaRules 11 months ago
@TashaRules Why not? because you just said it. They have to alter the training for women. And if you have 1 woman in the Canadian military that can pass what it takes to be a spec ops combat solider then the training ain't what it should be.
Any Man or women that wants to be considered equal to the other has a screw loose. It's like saying a square and a circle with the same mass are equal.
SuperBigblue19 11 months ago
@TashaRules Well that's good. I'm glad to hear that women in the Canadian military have the same requirements as men. Now send them to the front, and let them huddle down in a fox hole while enduring an artillery barrage. They will put in for a transfer the next day if they survive and get it.
turk18207735 10 months ago
why would anyone have anything against women getting proper Combat training. They risk their asses to be out there doing there Job & that Job requires a Proper combat training. Women & men are equal in every aspect & in most cases perform better than men. They should be given the necessary training so that if things get nasty...they have the required training to deal with the situation.
0515524847 11 months ago
- on the push-up test, only 7% of women can meet a score of 60, while 78% of men exceed it.
- adopting a male standard of fitness at West Point would mean 70% of the women he studied would be separated as failures at the end of their junior year, only 3% would be eligible for the Recondo badge, and not one would receive the Army Physical Fitness badge.
renegadephalanx 11 months ago
After a study was conducted at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, one expert testified that:
- using the standard Army Physical Fitness Test, the upper quintile (top 20%) of women at West point achieved scores on the test equivalent to the bottom quintile (bottom 20%) of men.
- only 21 women out of the initial 623 (3.4%) achieved a score equal to the male mean score of 260.
renegadephalanx 11 months ago
- in terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median. The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man.
renegadephalanx 11 months ago
An Army study done in 1988 found that women are more than twice as likely to suffer leg injuries and nearly five times as likely to suffer fractures as men.
Further, the Commission heard an abundance of expert testimony including:
- women's aerobic capacity is significantly lower, meaning they cannot carry as much as far as fast as men, and they are more susceptible to fatigue.
renegadephalanx 11 months ago
From the report of the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces dated November 15, 1992, it states in part:
The average female Army recruit is 4.8 inches shorter, 31.7 pounds lighter, has 37.4 fewer pounds of muscle, and 5.7 more pounds of fat than the average male recruit. She has only 55 percent of the upper-body strength and 72 percent of the lower-body strength.
renegadephalanx 11 months ago
"i didnt know if i'd ever see anyone again" and "the combat we see"
she was a MECHANIC
its not like she saw combat on a regular basis like the infantry
cman904xFLAX 11 months ago
2:20 or maby you were out there because YOU WERE A SOLDIER IN WAR! Not because you were female but because you were soldier. Firefights they happen to soldiers in war despite of race , age or gender
vineeja 1 year ago
Well, lets just go ahead and let everybody in to the combat units. Blind folks should be allowed to be pilots. Double amputees should be in recon units, folks with no arms/legs can be grunts. You fucking people are nuts. American women cannot even have a baby without doctors on hand, days in hospital bed being waited on hand and foot. I saw women in Vietnam drop a baby at one end of a rice paddy and be back up working an hour later. American women are spoiled crybabies. Men will die for this.
bacsi19461 1 year ago
@bacsi19461 What was the maternal mortality rate in the Valhalla known as Vietnam? How about the infant? You are woefully behind the times if you think women spend days in bed after giving birth. They had me walking 2 hours after.
Vydio 8 months ago
@Vydio Wow, you were up walking after 2 hours of childbirth. Well, that settles it.You no doubt were ready to pick up a couple of 40 lb water cans along with your equipment and run thru the jungle or desert. I have no doubt you could lug a mortar tube and base along with 1/2 dozen rounds.Hell no you can't. All you would do is set back and a let male do it while you draw the same pay and shoot up the ranks so the Army can brag about diversity (also to get you out of combat). If men die, so what.
bacsi19461 8 months ago
@bacsi19461 You are the one who made the ridiculous claim that American women laid around in bed after giving birth while Vietnamese women were toiling in the rice paddies. I asked you what the maternal and infant mortality rates were for this land of tough women .... I note you did not answer those questions but launched into a personal attack. That's usually a diversionary tactic. So what about those rates?
Vydio 8 months ago
well if women want to be in the infantry let them , but let me paint the picture for you ladies out there , I just got back from a 1 year deployment in Afghanistan last month, I lived in a shipping container covered in sand bags that I had to build myself, we had no running water, no hot food, we got motored daily and shot at, my platoon of 30 had 3 deaths and 4 severally wounded, my friend got shot in the head next to me and i still have pieces of his brain on my helmet, this is reality people
haydenman2 1 year ago
@haydenman2 If you are ever inclined, look up this little incident we refer to here as the Cheshire home invasion. There are good reasons to oppose women in Combat Arms, but do not claim protecting them is a good one. These women were nowhere near a FOB. Didn't mean diddly squat.
Vydio 8 months ago
Women aren't in the infantry for the same reason that guys and girls don't share locker rooms. If somethings not broke then don't fucking fix it. Don't fuck with grunts. If woman want to call that sexist then too damn bad. Grow a penis, register for the draft, and then we'll talk.
gurumagoo 1 year ago
Women in infantry units and the like would also cause a serious morale problem. Anyone who has every been in the infantry knows what I'm talking about. InfantryMEN are different from other forces. Bonds are closer. In the ranks there's very little that doesn't get said. It's no place for women and rules for political correctness. Grunts shouldn't be asked to watch their mouths or check their behavior to suit a womans ears. It's not right.
gurumagoo 1 year ago
@gurumagoo
Your right, "grunts shouldn't be asked to watch their mouths or check their behaviour to suit a womans ears." That has to do more with their comfortability around women. For example: I didn't ask a group of young men to stop making dirty jokes when I was going to walk past them. They MADE that decision based on the fact they feared the impression it would make on me as a woman and the ironic part is, I knew the joke one of them was about to finish!
lovelyladynostalgic 10 months ago
No women in combat until women are required to register for the draft. Combat isn't a right; it's a responsibility. Nobody is "entitled" to a right to fight. It comes at a cost. I say, if women want to fight, they must pay the same price as men. Military standards for women must also be the same as those for men. No short cuts, no makeup, no long girly hair. If women think they can do what a man can do, then they have to do it under the same rules and standards. No exceptions.
gurumagoo 1 year ago
Yes! women in front line combat..Equality right ? same rules right across..in this age of silly man "superior woman" this needs to happen.. forget the selective equality BS.
I'm sorry but I run into so many hard assed,mouthy,man haters looking for confrontation..just like racism.. is the back lash to the "suppression of women" ever going to end ? Do this & put it to bed...
tjfreak 1 year ago
@tjfreak Are you equally able to shoot kids because they shoot back at you over there with AKs and RPGs do you have the ability to stop menstruating for 1 year straight and go without a shower do you have the ability to shut the fuck up and do the job and quite your damned whining, can you not sleep around with the entire FOB so soldiers arent fighting over your fat sorry ass These are all the problems that we have already with the females in the support units , you want to be in join the draft
haydenman2 1 year ago
@haydenman2 Your reply to me, is as If I'm a female ? & for it.. I'm tired of men & women are equals, I'm tired of tough guy chick man haters,"Silly man" " man cave" crap ,the complete hypocrisy, its in the sitcoms,media, tv commercials...(I'm aware this is not ALL women) no phobias. The US military is not the place to test this,instead of disappearing in a cloud of bureaucracy &never brought to light,what better proving ground? men need to take a goddamn stand is what I'm sayin ..
tjfreak 1 year ago
@tjfreak oh sorry i completely fd that up
haydenman2 1 year ago
@haydenman2
Females in combat roles can be highly effective. In WW2 the average Red army woman sniper had 10 confirmed kills. Some female snipers got in excess of 200 and the highest got a staggering 300 confirmed kills.
The Kurdish resistance movement has all female fighter groups and on many occasions they have ambushed and taken out whole groups of Turkish men.
BTW when the kurdish women get captured they simply shoot themeselves in the head.
Illusive92 1 year ago
@haydenman2 You could, of course, do something about sleep around men. Oh, I forgot, they're not responsible for what they do. Maybe with DADT being history we'll just assign lesbians to all those FOBs. Of course, we will then be hearing the males whining about how they won't give us any.
BTDT. You folks tend to complain no matter what women do.
Vydio 8 months ago
@haydenman2 Premenstrual 3 days bitchy and useless, actual period, 4or 5 days bitchy and useless, post menstrual, a couple of days bitchy and useless. Hey I was married twice I no how this shit works. Men will die because of this plan to put women in combat. The only women who can even come close to performing the combat role are butch dykes and that will be a real morale killer for the men.They will have to be on tiptoes all the time. Also, a huge percent of women get pregnant on cruises.
bacsi19461 8 months ago
Women, CANNOT perform in "All" phases of combat, PERIOD! Of course, it's a given none will ever be SEALS (or even the lesser berets). There isn't a single SEAl or beret that would ever take more than 5 seconds to dispatch a female. It's that simple. Now, infantry or anything like that where women can get lost in the numbers game, .....maybe. They Are NOT combat material. Demi Moore's BULLSHIT movie was/is a hoax. What a joke!
badtolzstandby 1 year ago
If more women want to come home in body bags then let them. As long as they can keep up and do their part I dont care. When we get captured I will not give up any information when the interogator is raping her in front of me.
TheFlagrantFoul 1 year ago
Women in combat is a joke and it will be the final nail the coffin for our once great military. First of all, what do you mean that women should have a choice whether to fight or not, men don't have that choice. If a man is assigned to a combat unit then his ass will fight, he can't opt out. The same thing will happen to the military that would happen to any football team if you force them to include women, they will eventually become weaker because they will be forced to accomodate.
spencer1776 1 year ago
Oh yeah, women and grandmothers too!!! All for equality's sake huh! So you think it's cute. Great! Vets and all. You ready to lose your arms and legs too! Not to mention that face. How will you wash dishes when you don't have those arms anymore.
oneshotonekillify 1 year ago
Im in the army and my main opstion to women in combat is this im 6ft 194 pounds can a 5 ft 110 pound women get me outta oof an area if i am hit can she stand up to an enemy in hand to hand if it get to that
soad316 1 year ago
@soad316 So because women smaller and weaker they shouldnt serve? Only men should be forced into battle to fight and die?
Zain844 1 year ago
@Zain844 I am saying men are natrually stronger and bigger we can carry more and i know i can pull a small women to saftey but can a women pull me to saftey could they carry a combat load? Like i said i am not huge but im kinda big at 6ft 194 can a 5ft 110 pound women carry pull or drag me?
soad316 1 year ago
@soad316 First of all, a 5ft 110 pound woman wouldnt even pass basic training. My friend's wife is a firefighter, She's 5'10'' and weighs 180lbs and the physical tests weren't made any easier for her because she's a woman. All female units would solve many problems because a female soldier would have no problem carrying and dragging another female soldier. the reason why women dont serve in combat has more to do with emotional and tactical concerns, then physical concerns.
Zain844 1 year ago
@Zain844 uh yes they do there is women that says in the army im stationed in ft.drum and i see small women in uniform all the time. why emotional and tactical they learn some tactics and we as soldiers are trained thats why my only concern would be could theykeep up physicaly, just cause they are women does not mean they will freak out or dont know the basic tactics all soldiers are taught
soad316 1 year ago
@soad316 Those "small" female soldiers aren't fighting on the frontlines. so it's irrelevant. Like I said having all female units would solve many problems. Since female soldiers would have to keep up with other female soldiers. It would be fair.
Zain844 1 year ago
@Zain844 Your full of shit. Another female trying to fireman carry or drag another 180# female....don't make me laugh. And yes I know about Firefighter tests CPAT ect...less than .01% females can actually pass without help or increased time built into the program, just like Basic Training.....
Females in ground combat? Fine for me as long as all female Battalion. Next Falluja they can have a crack at it...good luck ladies. Too funny, you people watch too much G.I. Jane.
actonbath 1 year ago
@actonbath
Less then 0.1%? Do you have any proof to back up this statistic? Please cite your source. Futhermore I know a female firefighter, She is 180lbs of solid muscle and is often mistaken for a man when she's in full gear and you can't see her face. She's an exception to the rule. I'm not saying ANY woman could pass most would fail. the percentage of those who would pass is pretty small but the 0.1% figure was either pulled out of your ass, or grossly overexaggerated.
Zain844 1 year ago
@Zain844 I bet you could find any young teen training in any given gym playing football for highschool who will completely dwarf your female firefighter in strength. So they lowered the physical standards for firefighters and you're bragging about how your butch friend gets mistaken for a man. Even if a woman can meet the lowered minimum push-up or pull-up requirement, they are much lighter. Let's see your friend carry a 300lbs person down a flight of stairs, not happening PERIOD.
sashmuscle 10 months ago
@sashmuscle
I'm sure a few teenagers are stronger then her however i'd say her strength rivals that of a reasonbly fit male Given how much she trains and the fact that she's the same size or maybe a little bit smaller then the men in her team. she had no problem carrying me on her back in while she was in full gear and i weigh about 175 which is roughly the weight of an average sized man. a 300lb person i dunno about that but even a male firefighter would struggle with that much weight.
Zain844 10 months ago
@Zain844 I recall every single teen on my grade 11 football team could bench over 220 and squat 1.5-2x their body mass. These are kids, not grown men. The average weight for an adult male in the US is near 200 lbs. Many Americans are large people and it would make sense to have the most capable person in that position, not someone who can "pass" the minimum requirement after prolonged periods of training. Go to any gym and compare how much more your average male lifts compared to females.
sashmuscle 10 months ago
@sashmuscle Being able to carry a 175lb person on your back may not sound all that impressive but considering she is a woman.. are there male athletes who are stronger then her? probably.. but she is ATLEAST as strong as a reasonbly athletic man.
Zain844 10 months ago
@actonbath Futhermore, Males are bigger then females, It's much easier to drag and carry someone who is your own size or smaller then someone who is bigger then you, Simple logic. Having a woman in a male unit would cause problems because males would been compelled to carry extra load of females. Because thats how men are programmed. A unit with all females, a female soldier would be expected to carry their own weight and would not get any pity from her female comrades.
MrGrayson78 1 year ago
@MrGrayson78 I'd say you're correct. Not so much because men would feel the need to help out women, but simply because infantry units are only as strong as their weakest links. Those who meet the standard must take up the slack from those who do not. Marine combat infantry load is about 100 pounds. Someone falling out of a hump in combat isn't an option. That means everyone else has to carry that persons load. Everyone suffers and the units capabilities also suffer.
gurumagoo 1 year ago
@actonbath that's why all female units are a good idea, just because women are weaker physically doesnt mean they shouldnt serve why should only men be forced to be sent off to war to die?
MrGrayson78 1 year ago
@Zain844 men want to live dumbass that is why they reject women in combat.
bacsi19461 8 months ago
@bacsi19461 did you even read anything i wrote moron? ALL FEMALE COMBAT UNITS it would solve alot of problems. Sure they can't carry as much and not fight on the frontlines but they could still be snipers, do support and recon be security at checkpoints etc. When war starts its the males that get drafted. EVERYONE should get drafted or do you think men are expandable? only men should be sent off to war and die while women are safe at home? women should be forced into the army just like men
Zain844 8 months ago
Dont get me wrong im all for women rights... but i just think that some things should be a mens job and somethings be for women.
zmxooo 1 year ago
Women shouldn't be in combat and they definitely should have co-ed units. Anybody thats been in the military especially infantry or combat arms knows that most women couldn't hack and even for the few females that can measure up are you really going to put couple of women in an infantry battalion with a couple hundred men?
tuopvm 1 year ago
@tuopvm Put the words "women in combat karkal" into YouTube's search and click on the first video. Are you saying you know more than the Israeli Army?
Sylux777 1 year ago
@Sylux777 For one that unit is not a regular infantry unit. It says in the clip they are used for routine security patrols. Second, the commander also says that if there was a war he doesn't know if they would be used. Third, if this unit is so amazing and just as capable as any other why are they the only one? It would seem to me they would be doing this to every unit if it is such a success.
tuopvm 1 year ago
@tuopvm You were the one who made a blanket statement saying women shouldn't be in combat or co-ed units period, not just infantry. I directed you to an example that shows equal numbers of men and women in combat arms. And it's been pretty clear that the Karkal battalion is an experimental unit; perhaps Israel has been slow to integrate all of it's security patrols. A better question is if it's worse than all the other units why hasn't it been disbanded by now?
Sylux777 1 year ago
@Sylux777 You clearly haven't been in the military otherwise you would know that all that bs about them keeping up with the men is just that. BS. The vid is clearly nothing but a propaganda piece to drum up support. As far as why it hasn't been disbanded I can't answer that. I don't know as I am not intimately familiar with the inner workings of the IDF. They could be kept around for propaganda or because the IDF needs ppl.
tuopvm 1 year ago
@Sylux777 I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed in co-ed units, I said infantry or combat arms. The U.S. military has co-ed units. Learn to read before commenting on something you know nothing about other than the bs you've learned on Youtube.
tuopvm 1 year ago
Women have just as much right as any man to die for their country. But will they submit to the draft? Hmmm..... selective equality doesn't fly. Develop a series of physical metrics needed for combat and have men and women perform under the same standards. That will inject more credibility into their clamor for combat. Wanting to do something and being able to do something is not the same.
leprechaun8121 1 year ago
of what could happen then go for it. HOO-AH
nicholasgaerlan1 1 year ago
i believe if a woman is fully informed on what they want to do in the army being more on the combat side of it i think they should be more then welcome too. everyone is wearing uniforms the terrorist aren't gonna tell the differences between male and female in combat. and it doesn't matter what gender. if captured they get just as badly beaten or raped or even killed. yes there are certain circumstance that it may be different. buti think if any woman is to join the military and is aware
nicholasgaerlan1 1 year ago
There should be separate armies for men and women.The two sexes distract each other.
johnnyponny4 1 year ago
@johnnyponny4 Put the words "women in combat karkal" into YouTube's search and click on the first video. Are you saying you know more than the Israeli Army?
Sylux777 1 year ago
@Sylux777 Nah don't feel like it
johnnyponny4 1 year ago
Let the women fight if they want to. Just don't start complaining when you don't get preferential treatment. Make up your minds what you want out of your military career. I think a good woman soldier is the exception not the rule, and don't know why a woman would want to have such a profession. The woman is special in that she is the vessel of life. But fine, if they want to get blown to pieces in some far away land.
johnnyponny4 1 year ago
@joemaggot11 I do agree with you on the last thing you said. I would be willing too.
4everjdepp 1 year ago
Women don't belong in combat! Not because they can't fight, it's because when the men see a woman get lite up or blown up it has devistating effects on their moral. I'm talking heavy infantry and main line combat not policing the streets of Iraq.
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Combat is more then just pulling a trigger...Its not that simple. Men are better suited for combat both mentally and physically and they naturally bond together better which is actually important. And its actually more for the emotional reasons that women are not allowed combat jobs. Women are more likely to freeze up and get themselves or another american soldier killed because they didnt shoot quick enough or just plain didnt shoot becasue they were afraid to take a life. And thats a fact...
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milla4da8killa 1 year ago
Women can be tough in combat, but a male naturally protects women, and when a woman gets brutally killed in front of a group of males that think of her as a sister it takes way to much out of the troops. It destroys the moral. So yes if women were to be in combat it would need to be a whole team of them. I have been to Iraq twice and during the worst of it. I seen things happen to my brothers and sisters in arms that one should never see. Men cant see women die like that.
MW2xSAWxClan 1 year ago
A good friend on mine who served in Tanks one said that he would not want a female crew member in his tank but that he would have no problem at all fighting allong side an all female tank crew. From my experience women are in combat, just not in an infantry role. I know of several female helecopter pilots and crew chiefs. If they weren't in combat then how did the bullet holes get in there aircraft? Ever hear of Jessica Lynch? Was she in combat?
charlieChanning 1 year ago
@charlieChanning Ah, that great female hero Jessica Lynch. The one who first said she fired her weapon at the enemy. when that ferll thru from other witnessses, she said her gun jammed before she could fire. Oh really? Weapons do not jam when the first round is chambered and they fife reliably. They jam DURING firing. She panicked and got her ass captured. Fine, a man could have done that too. But her lies and the Army's lies (Bronze Star what a joke) made the whole thing a big scam.
bacsi19461 8 months ago
no one address the issue of woman injured in combat situations being denied combat pay after the fact
RickWolf68 1 year ago
Women shouldve been aloud in the army during vietnam war. So instead of men having to go into those tunnels women couldve since they wouldve done such a better job. And I also want know how the fuck you end up by yourself with insurgents firing at you. I can tell already your pretty smart.
Bo3Bo2Bo1 1 year ago
4:56 thats right they should meaning women should be forced 2 sign up 4 selective service or face jail time like men do & be sent to the front lines immediately, not if they have no men to put there or some other bullshit
they should also have to pass the same physical test as men instead of some watered down one 2 accommodate there biologically inferior physical being. and we will know if women are doing equal work to men or getting favors based on how many body bags of women to men come back
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
so let me get this straight 'women have demonstrated there ability to perform well in combat' yet that bitch was standing by herself in the street while everyone else (undoubtedly male) had the sense to GTFO when bullets started dancing
hmmmm ok, define 'perform well'
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
you already know how i feel about this one jospeh
gigglepuffpunk 1 year ago
first and foremost, i'd like to make the comment, which is also shown above above, that wome ARE doing these jobs, and are doing them WELL. However, because women are not properly trained for these kinds of missions, the discrimination set against women not being able to handle combat is futhered. If women want the choice to get themselves in these situations, let them decide for themselves. Besides, half of you guys don't have to guts to join as it is. Just swearing in makes them more corageous
gigglepuffpunk 1 year ago
'f women want the choice to get themselves in these situations, let them decide for themselves'
oh so women should have the choice but should be forced to through selective service and such.
and u say half of us dont have the guts, like you do. guess what ALL of us would be forced to go to war if ww3 broke out, not you so you can keep your trap shut and go back to your barbie dolls, and no just swearing in doesnt make them courageous. & women are trained just like men but with lower standards
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
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being a medic in the army or any other position that isnt actually on the ground dodging bullets like the matrix isnt doing a job or doing it well, how many women have you seen come home in bags
and if anyone says women are better cause they can go and comeback from front lines without being killed or maimed well then i say have the men stay home and the front lines have nothing but women, since they can do it oh so much better
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
Women don't belong in combat if for nothing else, biological reasons...why this is even an issue astounds me. It annoys me to the point where I think, "fuck it...let her go. Let her learn her lesson."
mrtony80 1 year ago
@mrtony80 To bad your opinion, one that is held by too many Americans, does not extend to the protection of male soldiers.
You comment should have been: HUMAN BEINGS DON'T BELONG IN COMBAT!
If only more people could see the truth in that view of war.
wdgeo 1 year ago
Too funny. All the "equal rights" people think women can perform as well as a male in combat....in your dreams.
Top 1% of females perform no better than the bottom 7% of males......without the tampons.
Go watch G.I. Jane and leave the combat to those physically able to carry 140# of Kit, weapon(s) and armor over mtns in 120F heat.
But...since women can vote..they should be put into combat...in all female Combat Brigades....and after they are slaughtered......
actonbath 1 year ago
Women want the LEGAL RIGHT to fight in combat. That does not change the REALITY of the job. There are standards and if a woman OR a man cannot meet those standards they don't get the job.
Trust me, women will NOT be flocking in the thousands for infantry positions. We have functioning brains too and we are able to realize our limitations.
Top 1% of men are no smarter that the bottom 7% of women, lol, seriously, the issue goes beyond pure strength...it's called OBJECTIVE REALITY.
ruslanaukraine 1 year ago 7
@ruslanaukraine The army is going to do whats best for them, not women and it is best for them if women do not have the option to serve into combat, so that every women signing up means one more man for the frontline.
cassius969 10 months ago
@cassius969 so that every women signing up means one more man for the frontline? Grammar Nazi disapproves. I have no clue what that sentence was supposed to mean. If you want to make your argument based on the difference of physical capabilities, that's fine. But you CAN NOT make your argument based on some top ranking penises' wish to protect male egos.
ruslanaukraine 10 months ago
@cassius969 LEGALLY women are EQUAL to men, and unless we can not do the job, no man has the right to refuse us the job. No man has the right to decide what's the best place for a woman. If she can do the job, and do it well, the job should be hers. Like I said, the option for a woman should LEGALLY be there, and I will guarantee you, GUARANTEE you, that even with that option, most women will NOT join combat units. "Doing what is best" is the reason people commit atrocities on others. Ask Hitler
ruslanaukraine 10 months ago
I was in the military in 1970. This generation of young men we have now, as a whole, aren't the men we were at their age. It seems all most of them do is sit in front of a computer or send text messages. They don't want to work hard and whine wen they have to. I think the women of the same generation are just as capable, if not more so, of fighting as they are. I would be happy to serve with female soldiers.
deere3321 1 year ago
@deere3321 Thank you!!! I want to join the army but all I keep hearing women shouldn't go. And if we do we'll learn our lesson if we don't get sent home in a body bag. ((for the rest of you)) we ARE all equal. Men are not better than women same or vice-versa. Ok pleople? We all just want to serve our country just like anybody else!
4everjdepp 1 year ago
I personally think that women should be allowed into these combat units provided they can pass all the tests and training required for combat, and NO lowered requirements either. They should also be integrated with the male soldiers and such as well.
If men can't handle the presence of women in their units, then why do people seem to think that's a fault of women, and not the man's own unprofessionalism?
MentalicMike90 1 year ago
The fact women may get raped if they're captured isn't a good excuse either, seeing as male POW's have been raped, plus there's THOUSANDS of other ways to torture someone, and not just by raping them.
The military should be looking for who's best for the job - not making assumptions or discriminating against people because of their gender/race/etc.
Not all men are aggressive, and not all women are motherly carers. It comes down to individuality at the end of the day.
MentalicMike90 1 year ago 6
@MentalicMike90 The only real argument is the reason why women aren't in combat arms. Generally women are about 20% weaker then men, Are unable to withstand the horrors of combat without breaking down, would break down the aggression level of a unit as a whole (due to the natural lack of testosterone), would cause the problem or rivalry and domestic problems within a unit. I only know this because my unit was experimented on and I witnessed it in P.O.G. units.
Supernova310 1 year ago
@MentalicMike90, Yes there have been men who have been raped, but it's something that is far more likely to happen with a female POW then a male POW.
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 A civilian's woman's lifetime risk of sexual assault is something like 1 in 6. The possibility of female soldiers being captured and raped is not a good enough excuse to keep them out of combat.
Sylux777 1 year ago
@MentalicMike90 And at the end of the day women cannot perform physically as men can!If a 230 pound man gets wounded a woman is not going to be able to run in under fire throw that man over her shoulder and run to safety!
brianbmf 1 year ago
@brianbmf Exactly!
kimchiotaku 1 year ago
@MentalicMike90 ...which one do you think has a better chance of getting raped.. girl guy?...common sense
zmxooo 1 year ago
@MentalicMike90 It's not a question of fault or fairness, it's a question of human nature. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her subjected to the kind of authority the military requires from a male superior. Some men can be trusted, some can't; it's a fact. Kept in separate units, I'm sure women can fight effectively, but we should also consider how that affects their mothering abilities later on. The PC BS we've been fed on this is based on politics, not reality.
lrd9999 1 year ago
She is looking for a check. Exactly what combat was she in??? What unit????
Baloney!!!1
manofcailay 2 years ago
nothing but a bunch of liberal propaganda bullshit..as soon as u see new york times u know its liberal bullshit..this video is so fuckin dramatic its unacceptable.. oh boo hoo poor women--oh boo hoo they don't get to fight in the military and be raped, maimed, get ptsd, or any other life threatening issue!!! Fighting and dying on a battlefield is not a place to look for equality--plain and simple!!
nddavi58 2 years ago
@nddavi58
Hallelujah!
The battlefield is the LAST place to look for equality.
TheHairReview 1 year ago
omg you must be so scared of girls?
how old are you?
They should give women the option of fighing front line like they give the men.
Then they can decide for themselves whether they want to or not.
This is a democracy isnt it??
so why do we have weak male politicians making our decisions for us while we're in iraq fighting to keep their country alive!
paulicrack 2 years ago 3
@paulicrack Woman say that they want equal rights,so give the equal right to die,be mained or disfigured in war as men to do...with no exceptions.Israel does it the Soviets did it,we should do it.Start the draft for woman!
gotthemgoing 2 years ago
@paulicrack But women are biologically different, and the great majority of them can't handle such a thing, such as special forces. They also have biological issues such as their menstrual cycle, as well as psychological issues that come from the fact that their hormone levels are far more unstable and wild than man's. Women should definitely serve in the military, just as any other well-bodied citizen should; just not in a direct-combat position.
kimchiotaku 1 year ago
@paulicrack whos scared , if they are going to let women in jobs that are traditionally are for men and endanger those male lives because of their inadequacies as females then I have a problem with that, but hell if its a choice and women dont see a problem with the sex issue in the front lines of battle then there will be no issue about a man using the womans bathroom or going to a womans college or see a OBGYN for care or site as the head of NOW or play womens sports , the knife cuts both ways
haydenman2 1 year ago
let s have women only platoons sent against taliban hardmen and let s have a laugh!this would prove women are no good to following men close combat.now,i know what you re probably thinking.you re wrong.i don t hate women but give me a reason why they should be allowed in front lines!??this is a total feminist joke!
diztanguy 2 years ago
It amazes me that people like you exist. It amazes me that you dare to criticize a woman while you can't even string a sentence together without making at least four spelling mistakes. It amazes me that in America people STILL deny the rights of a woman. We got our rights in 1919 folks. It's 2010. A lot of women aren't designated caretakers anymore. Let's get over male pride and train our women right.
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@dimsuminab0x sorry women are NOT genetically designed
dimsuminab0x 1 year ago
@horselvr1010 women are not genetically designed physically and mentally to handle close combat situations as well as men can. Physically, avg grunt load is 110lbs and grunts patrol on avg 25-30 miles a day on foot. Women's body frame are not designed to handle those loads. Mentally, the mind of a woman is based mostly on emotions, once in a firefight and you let your emotions creep up then you're not effective. Also the psychological effect that it would put on men to see a female get blown up.
dimsuminab0x 1 year ago
@horselvr1010 would destroy a man, and knowing why he failed at his job as a man to protect women would make him reflect and freeze during a firefight. Its all about combat effectiveness, its not criticizing woman, it's the facts! having a woman in a combat unit will decline the combat effectiveness that unit had. as for training, female Marines go through the same boot camp yes...however their physical fitness test is different. females do see combat but not in a direct way like the infantry.
dimsuminab0x 1 year ago
Women shouldn't be allowed into combat, they should be forced into it.
watch?v=KZC1l_24k8c
TheHappyMisogynist 2 years ago 3
One last example and I'm done...how about JOAN OF ARC? That's NOT a myth...check any French history book!
belladeballe 2 years ago
@belladeballe
Joan Of Arc was a teenage girl. She wore a suit of armor and rode on a horse in front of the men. BUT there is no evidence that she ever killed anyone.
In the end she was arrested and burnt at the stake.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
Whether or not some of you "agree" or disagree with women in combat, the fact remains the same women ARE in combat today and have always been in some capacity throughout history! GET EDUCATED and find out how!
belladeballe 2 years ago
Who are you calling stupid or bitches? You probably wouldn't last a day in the service!
belladeballe 2 years ago
I agree both ways on this one. The ARMY expects women to do all the things required to do there job and on the "off chance" combat will show its face, they are expected to react. However, my job in the ARMY requires me to carry a 120lb rucksack and not skip a beat. I just don't think it would be safe for a woman to attempt to do so and risk her life and the lifes of others.
kastinmcmahon 2 years ago
Also, what about the infamous pirates Ann Bonny, Mary Read and even the Irish pirate Queen O'Malley. They were known to be just as fierce if not moreso than the men.
belladeballe 2 years ago
It's funny how countries that have fully integrated militaries don't have problems with women in combat, but suddenly if it happened in the U.S. military sorts of "chaos" would occur. It's just the "conservative" mindset.
Now I'm sure someone is going to reply to this with some big exaggerated hypothetical situation where one female soldier will some day get in a combat situation with five 6'10" hairy Russian men with steroid muscles and rape her, but I'm not really interested, thanks.
Letcherism 2 years ago
Did women serve in the Roman legions when you had to use brute strength to kill the enemy?
In the modern military they use guns to kill at long range but soldiers still have to be prepared to kill the enemy with their bare hands don't they?
So if a woman finds herself fighting for her life against a giant Russian she's fucked.
In primitive tribal , the closest examples we have to our stone age ancestors, the men do all the fighting and hunting.
Don't you think there is a reason why?
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
The reason historically and culturally Men did a majority, not all, of the fighting was because Women were busy taking care of children, preparing meals, ect, ect, ect... In todays military a women is just as capable in Combat as a male. They suffer from PTSD the same as a male.
it works in the Forces.
~Thanato
Thanato26 2 years ago
Do you not think that it might have to with men being .. I don't know... physically stronger and more aggressive?
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
No, women can be just as if not more agressive, and as well can be stronger then alot of guys. If they can pass the courses and do the job. Let them.
~Thanato
Thanato26 2 years ago
I have never in my life seen a woman who could beat up or kill a man.
I just don't believe a woman can do the job.
But we will agree to disagree.
LOL
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
I have and they are Infantry Women.
~Thanato
Thanato26 2 years ago
Are you serious? Just because you've not seen it doesn't mean it isn't so. Maybe you need to study some history and read about the MANY women in the past who were warriors, pirates, etc. Not all women sat home cooking and sewing you know.
belladeballe 2 years ago
When was the last time you saw a well muscled fully grown adult male beaten a fight by a much smaller less physically powerful woman?
I suppose you would put Paris Hilton in the ring against Mike Tyson?
Soldiers are trained to kill.
They are trained to direct an underlying human instinct to use savage physical violence to kill other violent people.
How many women are in jail for violent murders or assaults?
Few women are not physically and psychologically capable.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
Really?! Woman are not physically and psychologically capable? Wow on what plant have you been living? I have been a soldier for over 14 yrs and I DO have plenty of confirmed kills. And just for info, muscle is not a requirement. Skill more so. I have seen female soldiers take down guys twice their size. Obviously you have never served or you wouldn't write such ignorant garbage!
XuncouthX 2 years ago
Did you serve in front line combat?
Do you think a company of female GI's soldiers would have been able to fight in Normandy or Market Garden or in Ardennes during WW2 against the all male Wehrmacht?
I find the idea totally laughable.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
Front line combat...and yes a company of female GI's would do just as well as the males. Matter of fact the Marines do it every day! You know why this idea is laughable to you? Because you don't even serve your country nor have you probably ever considered doing the ultimate sacrifice or serve along side female soldiers. So why don't you get off your soapbox and leave the combat to us "weak" women...obviously you are too scared to do the job yourself!
XuncouthX 2 years ago
I've never heard of an all female company in combat. Nobody would be stupid enough to do that.
They would all get killed and/or raped.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago