How to play Shogi(将棋) -Lesson#8- Game notation

[n0director]

Ok, can we use chess notation?, so like the first move would be shorter to write like instead of using the name of the foot-pawn, we say G2-F2?, its writed like that on western chess, and its shorter

[hirohiigo]

@n0director P-7f is shorter than "7g-7f." Also, the coordinates are reversed on shogi boards.

[jaromino]

in Japanese, do you say: instead of "white pawn 3d", gote fu 3d?

[hirohiigo]

@jaromino No, you would say "gote san yon (3-4) fu" Japanese style names the destination square first then the piece going to it.

[granjaguar48]

Hidetchi sensei, what kind of notation were used in Edo period?, I wonder if they used arabic numbers.

Thank you for your videos.

[KampungJering]

Sen-Te uses King General or Jewel General?

[race1717]

how do you pronounce numbers in japanese?

[hirohiigo]

@race1717 In numerical order: ichi, ni, san, shi (yon), go, roku, shichi (nana), hachi, kyuu (ku), juu.

[darkjaychou]

is it ok if i move a piece without saying the square notation like i just move a piece without saying anything

[HIDETCHI]

@darkjaychou Of course. I'm only discussing "notation" in this video.

[darkjaychou]

@HIDETCHI oh ok, thanks BTW your videos help me out alot! your awesome ^^

[DKsexyme]

WHERE TO BUY THIS GAME IN DKK,

i'm From Denmark SOOOoooo.... it is hard to find

[iLuvHinata360]

Interesting notation, I guess it serves for you to take home and review the match if you lose, to see where you made a mistake and learn from it ^^. Hidetchi sensei, thanks for another lesson!

[vinniram]

sometimes in game notation I see "?" or "!" following a certain move. Does this mean anything?

[HIDETCHI]

"!" means a move that is hard to find and is very good.

"?" means a move that might be pretty bad.

[plasticmailbox]

How do you know which player is playing as sen-te? Is it the Jewel king who plays as sen-te? Does it even matter?

[hirohiigo]

@plasticmailbox: As Hidetchi explained in a previous video, the player who is better will use the King General and the player who is weaker will use the Jewel General. There is no way to show in the pieces which one is sente and which one is gote.

[thenetimp]

I liked enemy camp better. ;-) The lessons are totemo sugoi! arigatou gozaimashita hidetchi-san honto ni arigatou!

[HIDETCHI]

Pawn push to 2c: P-2c

Pawn push to 2c and promote: P-2c+

Pawn drop to 2c: P*2c

In Japanese notation, promotion is 成, and drop is 打. But we use 打 only when it's necessary for recognizing whether it's a drop or a move.

And 同 means, "the same square as the previous move".

[SpencervdM]

I also read that when promotion is possible but rejected, it is notated with a = at the end in English notation.

So if gote (white) pushes pawn to 2c, it would be notated P-2c

If sente (black) pushes pawn to 2c it would be notated P-2c+ if he chooses to promote, or P-2c= if he chooses not to promote.

Also if a piece is capturing another piece in the move is is notated with an x in between. In the above example, if sente captures a piece in the 2c move and chooses to promote, it is notated Px2c+

[OneWeirdDude]

@HIDETCHI There's one more: P-2c= for "pawn moves (or 'pushes') to 2c and COULD have promoted but didn't.

[2025AD]

Hello HIDETCHI, I would like to ask you a few questions.

How is the notation for a promotion? And for a drop?

And regarding the Japanese book you showed at the end of the lesson, what do the moves beginning with the kanji 同 consist in?

Thank you very much!

[MikesGoAcademy]

do you play go by the way?

also its a Chinese game not Japanese

also as far as i know go is more popular then Shogi but sadly Japanese go is dying

[HIDETCHI]

Go is thought to be born in China.

But after it was spread to Japan, it became more popular in Japan than in China. Techniques and strategies of Go are developed mainly in Japan. ("Go" is a Japanese word.)

However, recently non-Japanese players especially Chinese and South Korean players are becoming as strong as Japanese players (or even stronger), and now Go is being spread to all over the world.

I don't think Japanese go is dying.

[MikesGoAcademy]

I am sorry to say but Japanese go is now very weak

and even western European rating is stronger then Japanese

some even say that Japanese go is already dead in the meaning the Japanese pros no longer play in the international scene

by the way thank you for all the lessons

i am a western 2 dan in go and id like to learn more about shogi

[pimporosz]

"These four squars are corners." lol

[Hieeeu]

Nice lessons HIDETCHI :) I've learned a lot through your lessons, but there's still something bugging me....

The way you see the opponent like ind your video, does the opponent have the same "view" like you have? For instance if you move your BlackPawn-2F; doesn't the opponent see your move like BlackPawn-8D?

[HIDETCHI]

We always notate from black's viewpoint. So it's still BlackPawn-2f when white player refers to it.

[Hieeeu]

Aaah thanks Hidetchi :D

Keep up the good work :)

[chessdawgz]

wouldn't it be easier to name the square the piece was on, then the square it moves?

example:

1. g8-f8 b3-c3

2. BxB SxB

I sort of do it like that for western chess

[runemonk1]

BTW, HIDETCHI, the stars are to denote the opponent's camp from your own camp, which is why it's at the farthest and closest three ranks. And I'm really enjoying the lessons! Keep them coming!

[Kagemaru089]

What did you call the japanese game that is almost as popular as Shogi?

[HIDETCHI]

It's "I-Go" or "Go". It's a stone-placing board game.

[AstralBrandon]

i have a combo where i made the rook into a dragon and take pawns then the gold and silver or others if i can so its easy to get the king is there a name for that? and a way i can make it better?

[MastahBoss]

Man, ive been playing master shogi even on the lowest difficulty and yet im losing. lol

The comp moves the pawn in front of the dragon/rook and then between opening and mid, he manages to put me in a tight spot on the left side of my camp, where in any sequence of move develops him into promoting his rook.

It frustrates me to no end, maybe to think ahead more or now that i won't fall for it again. ;)

[HIDETCHI]

I don't know "master shogi", but it sounds like, the computer is very strong. Keep trying to beat it!

[Alanynn]

Try "Shogi Variants Version 1.55a". It's easier than Shogi Master and very good at the beginning, when you're not familiar with pieces' movements (there's an option "show possible moves") and promotion. You can also set handicap. At "less weak" level it's almost impossible to lose.

[HIDETCHI]

Wow, I searched it on google, and it looks interesting. Although I havn't downloaded it, it sounds great that you can play many shogi variants.

[AstralBrandon]

if you have an Xbox with Xbox LIVE you can get Shotest Shogi

[Kagemaru089]

Xbox 360? And the game is a free download?

[AstralBrandon]

its an Arcade and its not free but its cheap

[F2L4Life]

In western chess White moves first not Black. So Sen-Te would be White and Go-Te Black.

[F2L4Life]

Note: I am referring to your first comparison. Not the notation which is correct.

[HIDETCHI]

Yes, I know. That's why I said they're complete reversed and confusing. In shogi, Black moves first, even when notated in English.

[F2L4Life]

That is confusing.....but that only makes the game more interesting. Thank you for your time.

[shingi085]

I'm sorry, my first question was poorly-worded. I really enjoyed seeing the Japanese written notation at the end of this lesson. How would a move be spoken, 日本語で？ For example, would a move of f4 be spoken as "せんてよん四歩?" (Sen-te yon-yon fu?) Thank you for your excellent lessons!

[HIDETCHI]

Exactly! It's "先手4四歩" (Sen-te you-you fu).

[shingi085]

Also, was that a basic rook opening we saw at ~4:05? I think I've seen some basic climbing silver strategies that use this, I'm guessing it is a common tactic.

[HIDETCHI]

Yes, it's one of the basic Rook Opening. It goes into various openings after that, one of which is Climbing Silver.

[shingi085]

I'm new to Shogi notation, but it's interesting how the ranks are labeled alphabetically, and the files numerically. In western chess, it is the opposite, although the direction of counting (A-I, 1-9) is the same, from White's lefthand corner.

My question is this: What preference do Japanese players generally have for naming the ranks? I have also seen numeric Kanji to depict them (一、二、三、四, etc)

[PoliomanGamer]

Could you put something clear to me?, so, I can get inside my enemy camp and promote at the same time, all in the same turn?

[HIDETCHI]

Yes. When you promote a piece, you move the piece to/from a square inside enemy camp and flip it over at the same time, all in the same turn.

[fireman777]

I believe the stars are to mark the territories of each player

[HIDETCHI]

Oh! Is that so? Thanks for the information!

(^o^)