@SweetAwesome22 Yes, but Kidd leads with a ring. Too bad Ivarson was MVP, and Kidd or Stockton wasn't. MVP title usually goes to scoring leaders, and not to the best all-around player, like those two.
jason kidd and steve nash used to be so good at passing. they're still good at it, but damn back when they were in their prime, it was kinda scary how good they were at passing perfectly.
@cheesedoodle43 why would they put it in there? its not like the title is: "Jason Kidd gets his 10,000 career assist AND a toronto raptor attempting a three"
@gamoto96 thats because he sacrificed so he could win and btw after he left the pistons his stats increased and his best scoring season was with the nuggets
@pancake608 ha ha! ok but steve nash is still greater imo. ^_^ and i know jason kidd is a good player. no argue, they are both great. its just that i'm really a die hard fan of steve nash. ^_^
@pancake608 yes yes yes! I totally absolutely agree with you! Kidd is really amazing, when he was still in the new jersey with jeferson and vince carter. that team was totally awesome.
@deneve3 i know right they were really good. But the thing was the Heat were in there prime so they didnt make it to the finals, and lebron was also a problem. But he should have stayed, with New Jersey might have helped out brook lopez, steve nash is really amazing tear drop shots so sick and a great shooter
Kidd is a better passer,defender,rebounder,stealing,ballhandler and he made back to back finals with only Martin as a decent teammate. Nash had Amare and Marion and failed to make it to the finals.
if you watched the Spurs and Sun 07, Game 3 was the WORST reffed game since Kings Lakers Game 6. BTW Tim Donaughy was the ref for the Suns and Spurs. I'm basically saying the game was fixed...
This will likely be my last comment since it seems to me that you dont want to actually look at the evidence. Anyway, you are giving Kidd too much credit when it comes to helping teams. He had a large role, but In both Phoenix and New Jersey, Kidd was part of large roster/staff overhauls that brought in better talent. The same year Kidd arrived in Phoenix, Antonio Mcdyess and Clifford Robinson also arrived. In New Jersey, Kerry Kittles, Richard Jefferson, new coach Byron Scott and a few others.
I saw this live. And after they announced this some1 made a buzzer beating half court shot and jason kidd got another assist to. i forgot who it was though.
Kidd is the Innovator Men, No doubt about it! Record holder pass first Mentality, I mean come On. All the players you mentioned were really scorers. Kidd scores when needed. 2 time Gold medalist Olympian. He will take home the Trophy this time with Marion in the Mix..... Gooden might get some minutes.... Oh yes!
The players I mentioned were efficient and prolific scorers while *still* putting up very high assist totals - higher than Kidd in many cases. To say they were "really scorers" makes no sense. They were complete players.
Kidd can only do one of these two things, and I'm not ragging on Kidd because like I said the guy is a first ballot hall of famer no question, but let's not get carried away. And I don't know what you mean by "Innovator"... he didn't innovate anything.
Kidd is by far the best point guard other than maybe Magic. The only reason I say that Kidd might be better would be because he was on bad teams and made them good, I really hope he gets a championship with the Mavs
If Kidd keeps on pace, or especially if he wins at least once championship in the next 5 active years, he will be better than Magic in alot of peoples minds. Also keep in mind Magic played with HOF cast his entire career, Kidd has turned losing teams into contenders his whole career.
He's become a solid long-range shooter, sure, surprising and good for him... but overall he's still scores at a low rate and at a low efficiency. The other side of this is that his defense has become atrocious. He no longer has the speed to keep up with opposing guards. All players face decline, Magic did and so has Kid. Magic never really had long range, that's true - but Kidd could never even dream to score 20+ a game at 50-55% shooting. So I'm not sure what your point is.
And just for the record... I'll also take Stockton over kid. Stockton was the best passer of all time, a great defender, and though he wasn't much of a scorer - he was a smart scorer getting his points at a high percentage, unlike Kidd. Also Chris Paul over Kidd... even though CP's career is just starting. And of course Oscar Robertson. Gary Payton is also in the discussion. Kidd is a first ballot HOFer, but give me Magic, Stockton, CP, Oscar and *maybe* Payton before Kidd.
The point is clear; the one you failed to adress. Above all else, Kidd has won his records by playing with poor teams. He joins up and makes them contenders. Magic played with a great cast of people his ENTIRE career, making his assist (his only real claim to fame) averages rather expected. Case in point; if Kobe stayed with the Hornets instead of playing with a large market LAL team...would he be the same player? I doubt it.
I didn't address it because I dont think its relevant. Quality of teammates is something players generally cant control, so when evaluating players I think its generally last on the list. But if you insist on making that Kidd's calling card... well, fine. The year prior to the Lakers drafting Magic the Lakers went 47-35 and got bounced in the 2nd round. In Magic's first year the team went 60-22 and won it all, beginning a decade of dominance. Sounds like "making a team a contender" to me .
other points: Sorry, but getting 10-15 assists a game is never expected. Besides, I don't how much you know about basketball statistics, but there's never been any link shown between quality of teammates and assist totals. It may exist, but if it does its a small effect. What has been shown is that playing on "stacked" teams tends to decrease statistical production because the stats are shared more. Also, assists were his claim to fame? Hardly! Magic was one of the most complete players ever.
I never said the word innovator about anything. Magic was complete in the sense of he did everything on an AVERAGE level, while being surrounded with an outstanding team. Kidd does several things consistently outstanding, with a few weaknesses (like shooting) which he has made strides in. If you call making the playoffs with a winning record a "losing" franchise, then you're confused. How about every team kidd went to was never even close to post season. He shows up at they make the finals
I wasn't replying to you in regards to the innovator comment. Anyway, average level? 50-55 field goal percentage is not average.10-15 assists a game is not average. 2-3 steals a game is not average. You familiar with PER? Its a metric that measures statisitical production. Has its flaws, but it can still tell us a lot about how much a player is producing. A PER of 15.0 is average. Magic posted some of the best PERs in history and his career PER is 24.1. Compare that to Kidd's career PER of 18.6.
you must be very young and never had the opportunity to watch magic and the rest of that showtime squad. to say that magic johnson is an average player is laughable. he's a top 5 lock, top 3 in my opinion. there is nothing average about having 19/11/7 career averages, and putting up 14/6/5 after being diagnosed with HIV and not playing in the NBA for 3 years in 1995. Yes of course he had great players, but honestly you'll never win this argument saying jason>magic.
Now THAT is turning a franchise. If you don't think playing with great players helps an average, such as assists, you're in denial. Magic played with great people. Period. He would pass the ball and they would score, naturally, because they were outstanding players on a big market team. Kidd was so pinpoint with his passes, he made below average players into consistent scorers, and losing teams into championship contenders. Thus, Kidd > Magic.
Then show me the evidence. Though I have no statistical training, I'm very interested in statistical analysis... and as far as I know no studies have shown that playing with other "great" players has a large effect on assist totals. What has been shown is that playing with other talented players tends to *decrease* statistical production. If you are going to make a claim, back it up. Don't just say "it seems that way to me so I must be right," thats not a valid argument.
right. It's similar to why similarly aged Ray Lewis signed 6 or 7 years with Baltimore. Kidd got his start there and wants to end there, and a big deal like that not only secures him to do so from the teams standpoint, but it's respectful and shows that the team believes they are worth it.
well compared to the rest, but how many players average 20 points at the age of 40. he even scored 50 points(record for his age). so he did not "suck"
Yeah he did have like less than 10% of the MJ inside of him as a wizard, and by the way, He didn't play just to get a championship, He played to donate his salary to whatever foundation because of 9/11
You can claim that 1/5th of assists arent assists because someone has to dribble, but guess what? If you give a player the ball in there spot there going to score regardless, thats what kidd does.
crazy how as great as he iis since he doesnt score alot he doesnt have an MVP to his name while nash has 2...kidd has literally carried far inferior teams 2 the nba finals twice...& iis better than nash at every aspect of ball except scoring
Kidd isn't a scoring type of person. He CAN score, but he would rather not unless he knows for a fact he can hit the jumper or is super wide open and everyone else is defended. Coming from a Nets and Kidd fan, Kidd deserved an MVP as much as Nash does. Kidd>Nash.
when Kidd went to the finals with the nets they were far from inferior...they had richard jefferson, kenyon martin, J.kidd...Mutumbo, etc...they had a good team...but idk why kidd was never mvp even when he went to the finals
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you call that an assist? in europe we call it a pass, an assist is a pass that fid you free, with no defense on you. 10.000 assist my ass- anyway kidd is a grat player
yeah right, im from europe also and im playing a lot of basketball, youre talking a lot of bs...your explanation of an assist is bs, the 10000 were all real assist
haha stupid americans :D 10,000 yeah its great,very nice player but they cheering as everyone just won milion bucks. only comercial,no spirit of the game
Kidd, how awesome you are...
sergi0ram0s23 1 month ago
8 stupid people...
martinronan76 1 month ago
how can people dislike such a historic video liek this one !?!?
mrdunks25 2 months ago
Barg tried to back him down but J-kidd is stronger haha
Royalewithcheese3000 8 months ago
@soal09 I'm sorry, but you have a disease and the only cure is for you to die =(
DrPwoz 8 months ago
admirable Defense by Jason Kapono and the raptors
JoseCaldercat 8 months ago
Congrats J-Kidd! NBA Champion!!
vinsanityrules97 8 months ago 3
woow john stock got 14,000
troyiscute123 8 months ago
@soal09 ...Have you ever seen basketball before?
trombonekingdom 8 months ago
@soal09 THEN WTF IS THAT U NIGGER??
77gaurab 8 months ago
one of the best point guards ever.
Xcoming2 8 months ago
@soal09 I'm guessing you don't watch much basketball
MethodD 8 months ago
it would be on the Raptors ,lol.
Iodine69 9 months ago
Basketball teacher: Define point guard
Student: Jason Kidd!
Basketball teacher: A+ for you
reggie123456d 9 months ago
@reggie123456d Nice job, you said the same shit on different videos, A+ for you
FlashDwade18 8 months ago
steve nash dislikes 8 times ^^
Weisswoscht 9 months ago
@Weisswoscht
steve nash is too polite to dislike the video, obviously.
hambreadncoke 9 months ago
I think that Raptors do really committ in these kind of stuff...
Royy164 9 months ago
@Royy164
yeah, teams always seem to hit some sorta milestone against them. meh
hambreadncoke 9 months ago
haha of course it was against the Raptors
TheSamps0n 9 months ago
Belated congratulations to you, Mr. Kidd. One of the greatest players.
poogodinks 9 months ago
Toronto...AGAIN!!! -.-
MistaQuestionMark 9 months ago
everytime i see an nba record set on a team its always the raptors lol
misuihc 9 months ago
I thought the commentator said "Jason Jizz"
laistar 9 months ago
this gave me chills
NASvsEMIN3M 10 months ago
WHY DOES THIS STUFF ALWAYS HAPPEN TO TORONTO?
KOBE MORE POINTS CAREER VS TORONTO AND JASON KID! D:
conti1967 10 months ago 5
....had to be Toronto.....
rAPSjO77 10 months ago
Impressive. He is now only 5000 behind my main man Stock.
SweetAwesome22 11 months ago 18
@SweetAwesome22 Now he's like 3500-4000 behind Stockton.
ShadowNightGamer 10 months ago
@SweetAwesome22
Back then yeah, but he has over 11,500 assists now.
UnrivaledShogun 9 months ago
@SweetAwesome22 Yes, but Kidd leads with a ring. Too bad Ivarson was MVP, and Kidd or Stockton wasn't. MVP title usually goes to scoring leaders, and not to the best all-around player, like those two.
RadBal2 8 months ago
six two six four zero nine zero zero eight zero <----text this number...its like another cha cha or kgb
ThePeniswrinkle12 1 year ago
Kidd my idol. Lets Go Nets!
autonomo12 1 year ago
@autonomo12 nets? lolz
zoneforgamers 11 months ago
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best video ever, *MUST WATCH* youtube.com/watch?v=2QP4exxqbU8
bestkobefan 1 year ago
jason kidd and steve nash used to be so good at passing. they're still good at it, but damn back when they were in their prime, it was kinda scary how good they were at passing perfectly.
zzomgitsme 1 year ago
If he got a dollar for each one of those assists, he still wouldn't have as much money as I have.
ninjajesus81 1 year ago
@ninjajesus81 that's cuz he makes more then a dollar for every pass
he's in the league your in a project...working on your projects
QwarterZ1 1 year ago
i love how they stop the video right when the guy on the othyer team is probably about to hit a three
cheesedoodle43 1 year ago
@cheesedoodle43 why would they put it in there? its not like the title is: "Jason Kidd gets his 10,000 career assist AND a toronto raptor attempting a three"
hahyunlee 1 year ago
did you notice that most scoring leaders karl malone and kareem had stockton and magic which are top at assist
OlyMp241 1 year ago
@OlyMp241 Which brings this our minds that '' There is a great passer behind every great scorer ''
BlueWoWTaylan 1 year ago
man always the raptors
itsmacki 1 year ago
Best PG has to be John Stockton, in my opinion.
Cxaxakluth 1 year ago 3
whats funny is how they ended the video right before toranto made the 3. just to end it with a good note
mrdagater 1 year ago
That's not a double there at 0.19?
hydrohexane 1 year ago
0:10, those motherfuckers were just standing there!!
CoolerKing37 1 year ago
Jason Kidd- No rings
Steve Nash- No rings
Chauncey Billups- 1 ring
benbek27 1 year ago
@benbek27 yes billups got carried by wallace and his career stats and averages are knowhere neer as good as kidd's and nash's...
gamoto96 1 year ago
@gamoto96 thats because he sacrificed so he could win and btw after he left the pistons his stats increased and his best scoring season was with the nuggets
benbek27 1 year ago
Of course it was against Toronto.... Everything amazing happens AGAINST the Raps.
theNo10 1 year ago
I'm greasy :(
mateoo2 1 year ago
So Kidd made his 10,000th assist against the Raptors,
Kobe scored 81 on them, recorded as the second highest score by an individual player.
What's going to happen next? LOL
xMarkChristianx 1 year ago
@xMarkChristianx kobe will do his 38388 point in the nba
amodelchurro 1 year ago
He will never catch John Stockton.
1. John Stockton= 15806
2. Jason Kidd = 10923
3. Mark Jackson= 10334
4. Magic Johnson= 10141
IxDEVOUTxI 1 year ago 3
Okay I live in Canada and it was obviously against the Raptors LIKE FUCK COME ON.
Who gave Kobe 81? TORONTO
I swear TORONTO teams give up so much pieces of history. PLUS BARGNANI IS A SHIT DEFENDER AND HESS A BUST.
IceBalrog 1 year ago 2
in europe, he couldn't even reach 5 000...
Ousvec 1 year ago
@Ousvec When the hell did high level basketball players not play in the NBA.
Ammaculate44 1 year ago
@Ousvec of course not, in europe most of the players can't hit an easy mid range jumper, or an almost open look layup.
caue981 1 year ago
If he misses that shot, I would call Chuck Norris to beat him up.
nichikun30 1 year ago 57
@nichikun30 hahahha for sure!
thesarskiller 10 months ago
He deserved it.
Alexwkj 1 year ago
he let more than 20.000 points being scored easily in his career
TiKayedge 1 year ago
the best PG in the NBA history
spiderlocjohnny 1 year ago
Anyone who says Jason Kidd is greater than Steve Nash, you're all wrong!
deneve3 1 year ago
@deneve3 jason kidd is better than steve. Nash defense is a big O.
wothyn 1 year ago
@wothyn yea but if you actually look at what they're used for, the role they play in, that of the playmaker, steve nash is a lot better. -.-
ForzaAquila 1 year ago
@deneve3 he is career wise jason kidd is way better steve nash is nothing and btw there almost the same age steve is a oldy.
pancake608 1 year ago
@pancake608 ha ha! ok but steve nash is still greater imo. ^_^ and i know jason kidd is a good player. no argue, they are both great. its just that i'm really a die hard fan of steve nash. ^_^
deneve3 1 year ago
@deneve3 true that. i have nothing againest steve nash, im a die hard Jason Kidd fan. there both good and help their teams out
pancake608 1 year ago
@pancake608 yes yes yes! I totally absolutely agree with you! Kidd is really amazing, when he was still in the new jersey with jeferson and vince carter. that team was totally awesome.
deneve3 1 year ago
@deneve3 i know right they were really good. But the thing was the Heat were in there prime so they didnt make it to the finals, and lebron was also a problem. But he should have stayed, with New Jersey might have helped out brook lopez, steve nash is really amazing tear drop shots so sick and a great shooter
pancake608 1 year ago
@pancake608 It was really a bad luck for them. Kidd, Carter, and the rest of the nets deserves a ring!
deneve3 1 year ago
@deneve3 i know they arent getting any younger and vince is getting out of his prime.
pancake608 1 year ago
This is a pass, not an assist.Oh, this is the NBA!Sorry to everyone
Danythehouse 1 year ago
@Danythehouse What are you talking about? That's obviously a pass AND an assist for any level in basketball. Not only the NBA.
Alexwkj 1 year ago
@Danythehouse Lol, are u serious?
wothyn 1 year ago
Why is everyone getting miles on Raptors.. LOL.
Ammaculate44 1 year ago
kidd is the perfect guy for the position of point guard.......he is the better point guard of alltime
529thiago 1 year ago
kidd & nash will be missed when they both retire
lookatamonkey 2 years ago 4
:/ yes
MoonchildCR 2 years ago
@lookatamonkey so true
pancake608 1 year ago
What a great player. So good.
heatbucspies55 2 years ago
>Nash
xmuscularghandix 2 years ago
different play style
jerjeremy 2 years ago
nah nash is still better
ArsenalXX13 2 years ago
nash only better as a scorer.
Kidd is a better passer,defender,rebounder,stealing,ballhandler and he made back to back finals with only Martin as a decent teammate. Nash had Amare and Marion and failed to make it to the finals.
irishock 2 years ago
The skill debat is fair, but the East sucked though in the early 2000s. Suns lost to SA when Duncan was still the man and the Spurs were stacked.
jmacfadyen 2 years ago
if you watched the Spurs and Sun 07, Game 3 was the WORST reffed game since Kings Lakers Game 6. BTW Tim Donaughy was the ref for the Suns and Spurs. I'm basically saying the game was fixed...
lookatamonkey 2 years ago
@lookatamonkey you have a knack for stating the obvious.... just saying
CurryOverdose 1 year ago
@irishock J Kidd with Nowitzki,Butler,Terry fkced by the Spurs!Yet Nash is in the playoffs with Amare and Hill...:|
MistaArni 1 year ago
wow
arklys19 2 years ago
OMG!! Jason Kidd was my childhood hero! I really idolize this man and I wish I was there on the ring-side when this assist was made.
hitsugayaalexis 2 years ago
Fuck all of your long comments.You're not running for presidency so don't nag.
MrMrGaara 2 years ago
People, you think some1 will read these long comments :D ?? I certanly won't.
BooyakaWwe619 2 years ago 127
yea me too. youtube is all about vid. curse these people writing very long comments.
jhem00 2 years ago
kidd is awesome! I hope he and dirk get their championship rings in the next years, they both deserve it.
ps: bargnani still sucks
bubibobo 2 years ago 2
This will likely be my last comment since it seems to me that you dont want to actually look at the evidence. Anyway, you are giving Kidd too much credit when it comes to helping teams. He had a large role, but In both Phoenix and New Jersey, Kidd was part of large roster/staff overhauls that brought in better talent. The same year Kidd arrived in Phoenix, Antonio Mcdyess and Clifford Robinson also arrived. In New Jersey, Kerry Kittles, Richard Jefferson, new coach Byron Scott and a few others.
caleb462 2 years ago
I saw this live. And after they announced this some1 made a buzzer beating half court shot and jason kidd got another assist to. i forgot who it was though.
brandonboy45 2 years ago
Kidd is the Innovator Men, No doubt about it! Record holder pass first Mentality, I mean come On. All the players you mentioned were really scorers. Kidd scores when needed. 2 time Gold medalist Olympian. He will take home the Trophy this time with Marion in the Mix..... Gooden might get some minutes.... Oh yes!
bryanmontojo 2 years ago
The players I mentioned were efficient and prolific scorers while *still* putting up very high assist totals - higher than Kidd in many cases. To say they were "really scorers" makes no sense. They were complete players.
Kidd can only do one of these two things, and I'm not ragging on Kidd because like I said the guy is a first ballot hall of famer no question, but let's not get carried away. And I don't know what you mean by "Innovator"... he didn't innovate anything.
caleb462 2 years ago
Your not making this clear to me...Were Does His triple Doubles Come From Then.. he has over 100.
Jason Kidd Hater,instead of looking for the negatives in his game look for the positives...there easier to find =D
chrisdakid15 2 years ago 4
He is very on 9
KoiEKI 2 years ago
Kidd is by far the best point guard other than maybe Magic. The only reason I say that Kidd might be better would be because he was on bad teams and made them good, I really hope he gets a championship with the Mavs
91basket 2 years ago
the best PG has to be Magic Johnson
nosai4 2 years ago 32
without a doubt.
erik24MVP 2 years ago
If Kidd keeps on pace, or especially if he wins at least once championship in the next 5 active years, he will be better than Magic in alot of peoples minds. Also keep in mind Magic played with HOF cast his entire career, Kidd has turned losing teams into contenders his whole career.
oyouarehereo 2 years ago
what in the hell are u talkin about man?
KingKoltAir 2 years ago
Kidd - great playmaker.
Magic - Even better playmaker.
Kidd - inefficient scorer. 14 ppg on .402 FG%
Magic - Incredibly efficienct scorer. 20 ppg on .520 FG%
There's really no contest.
caleb462 2 years ago
Kidd - Turned losing franchises into contenders.
Magic - Played with a stacked Lakers team his entire career
Kidd - Has raised his career averages as recently as last year.
Magic - Steady averages that declined in his last 3 years.
Kidd - Severely raised his shooting percentage, even being the most accurate three point shooter on a team with Jason Terry and Dirk Nowitzki
Magic - Never really possessed range outside of 15 feet.
I can go on and on.
oyouarehereo 2 years ago 3
He's become a solid long-range shooter, sure, surprising and good for him... but overall he's still scores at a low rate and at a low efficiency. The other side of this is that his defense has become atrocious. He no longer has the speed to keep up with opposing guards. All players face decline, Magic did and so has Kid. Magic never really had long range, that's true - but Kidd could never even dream to score 20+ a game at 50-55% shooting. So I'm not sure what your point is.
caleb462 2 years ago
And just for the record... I'll also take Stockton over kid. Stockton was the best passer of all time, a great defender, and though he wasn't much of a scorer - he was a smart scorer getting his points at a high percentage, unlike Kidd. Also Chris Paul over Kidd... even though CP's career is just starting. And of course Oscar Robertson. Gary Payton is also in the discussion. Kidd is a first ballot HOFer, but give me Magic, Stockton, CP, Oscar and *maybe* Payton before Kidd.
caleb462 2 years ago
The point is clear; the one you failed to adress. Above all else, Kidd has won his records by playing with poor teams. He joins up and makes them contenders. Magic played with a great cast of people his ENTIRE career, making his assist (his only real claim to fame) averages rather expected. Case in point; if Kobe stayed with the Hornets instead of playing with a large market LAL team...would he be the same player? I doubt it.
oyouarehereo 2 years ago
I didn't address it because I dont think its relevant. Quality of teammates is something players generally cant control, so when evaluating players I think its generally last on the list. But if you insist on making that Kidd's calling card... well, fine. The year prior to the Lakers drafting Magic the Lakers went 47-35 and got bounced in the 2nd round. In Magic's first year the team went 60-22 and won it all, beginning a decade of dominance. Sounds like "making a team a contender" to me .
caleb462 2 years ago
other points: Sorry, but getting 10-15 assists a game is never expected. Besides, I don't how much you know about basketball statistics, but there's never been any link shown between quality of teammates and assist totals. It may exist, but if it does its a small effect. What has been shown is that playing on "stacked" teams tends to decrease statistical production because the stats are shared more. Also, assists were his claim to fame? Hardly! Magic was one of the most complete players ever.
caleb462 2 years ago
I never said the word innovator about anything. Magic was complete in the sense of he did everything on an AVERAGE level, while being surrounded with an outstanding team. Kidd does several things consistently outstanding, with a few weaknesses (like shooting) which he has made strides in. If you call making the playoffs with a winning record a "losing" franchise, then you're confused. How about every team kidd went to was never even close to post season. He shows up at they make the finals
oyouarehereo 2 years ago
I wasn't replying to you in regards to the innovator comment. Anyway, average level? 50-55 field goal percentage is not average.10-15 assists a game is not average. 2-3 steals a game is not average. You familiar with PER? Its a metric that measures statisitical production. Has its flaws, but it can still tell us a lot about how much a player is producing. A PER of 15.0 is average. Magic posted some of the best PERs in history and his career PER is 24.1. Compare that to Kidd's career PER of 18.6.
caleb462 2 years ago
you must be very young and never had the opportunity to watch magic and the rest of that showtime squad. to say that magic johnson is an average player is laughable. he's a top 5 lock, top 3 in my opinion. there is nothing average about having 19/11/7 career averages, and putting up 14/6/5 after being diagnosed with HIV and not playing in the NBA for 3 years in 1995. Yes of course he had great players, but honestly you'll never win this argument saying jason>magic.
fnyman14 2 years ago
Now THAT is turning a franchise. If you don't think playing with great players helps an average, such as assists, you're in denial. Magic played with great people. Period. He would pass the ball and they would score, naturally, because they were outstanding players on a big market team. Kidd was so pinpoint with his passes, he made below average players into consistent scorers, and losing teams into championship contenders. Thus, Kidd > Magic.
oyouarehereo 2 years ago 2
Then show me the evidence. Though I have no statistical training, I'm very interested in statistical analysis... and as far as I know no studies have shown that playing with other "great" players has a large effect on assist totals. What has been shown is that playing with other talented players tends to *decrease* statistical production. If you are going to make a claim, back it up. Don't just say "it seems that way to me so I must be right," thats not a valid argument.
caleb462 2 years ago
@caleb462 proof that playing with great players make assist seem great...LOOK AT RAJON RONDO.
lookatamonkey 2 years ago
isnt he 35? and he wants 5 more years?
aznplayersz 2 years ago
right. It's similar to why similarly aged Ray Lewis signed 6 or 7 years with Baltimore. Kidd got his start there and wants to end there, and a big deal like that not only secures him to do so from the teams standpoint, but it's respectful and shows that the team believes they are worth it.
oyouarehereo 2 years ago
michael jordan was 40 when he retired, so its not that bad
nuthman18 2 years ago
well jordon sucked in his last years with wizard (comparing to his legendary seasons with bulls)
aznplayersz 2 years ago
well compared to the rest, but how many players average 20 points at the age of 40. he even scored 50 points(record for his age). so he did not "suck"
nuthman18 2 years ago
mj was unstopable,even in his 40's
SunMan6A6 2 years ago
exactly
nuthman18 2 years ago
Unstoppable? He was Un-Go-Able with Wizards.
irishock 2 years ago
dude he was still amazing for sumone his age
nuthman18 2 years ago
Yeah he did have like less than 10% of the MJ inside of him as a wizard, and by the way, He didn't play just to get a championship, He played to donate his salary to whatever foundation because of 9/11
irishock 2 years ago
hell nah bro it was allen iverson nigga
JakePomar 2 years ago
Oscar is the greatest PG to ever play the game; you probably don't even know who he is.
Ammaculate44 1 year ago
@nosai4 JOHN STOCKTON FOOL
XxsiqneszxX 1 year ago
@XxsiqneszxX Magic over Stockton. No disrispect to Stockton though
Chrischi7777 1 year ago
@nosai4 For me best PG is John Stockton... Just sayin'...
Philipos6 1 year ago
@nosai4
Always has been.
dacbiet 1 year ago
thats a great career milestone to reach.
live2hoop3 2 years ago 2
As a Raptor fan when I watched this game I applauded Kidd. That's a huge accomplishment.
elmntx32 2 years ago 4
I DID 2
greenmatrix151023387 2 years ago 3
congratulations to J-Kidd aka Mr.Triple Double
tmacof93 2 years ago 7
You can claim that 1/5th of assists arent assists because someone has to dribble, but guess what? If you give a player the ball in there spot there going to score regardless, thats what kidd does.
NotSoEpicMuffinz 2 years ago
wow he contributed to 20,000+ points damn......
dimedropper1992 2 years ago 2
Yea at least, some may have been 3's.
91basket 2 years ago
and he has a few thousand points as well:P,so it will be 30000+ in the end of his career
Jumpman0818 2 years ago
or more. remember, there could've been 3 pointers 2.
rochabeatlesfan 2 years ago 3
was at that match!
Vortex996 2 years ago
im surprised it wasnt an alley-oop..
AzNMVP23 2 years ago
its always against the rapotrs, always!
adheeb 2 years ago 3
i know uhh
yungspades 2 years ago
JUST HAD TO BE AGAINST RAPTORS
kjamre 2 years ago 7
crazy how as great as he iis since he doesnt score alot he doesnt have an MVP to his name while nash has 2...kidd has literally carried far inferior teams 2 the nba finals twice...& iis better than nash at every aspect of ball except scoring
ericapin1972 2 years ago
Kidd isn't a scoring type of person. He CAN score, but he would rather not unless he knows for a fact he can hit the jumper or is super wide open and everyone else is defended. Coming from a Nets and Kidd fan, Kidd deserved an MVP as much as Nash does. Kidd>Nash.
vash9 2 years ago 4
yeaa th@ what ii mean iits crazy how they dish out mvps..nash has 2...kidd has 0..mind yu when they were on the same team nash was the backup
ericapin1972 2 years ago 2
when Kidd went to the finals with the nets they were far from inferior...they had richard jefferson, kenyon martin, J.kidd...Mutumbo, etc...they had a good team...but idk why kidd was never mvp even when he went to the finals
BJgrand 2 years ago
white guys can play ball
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Sasuke7228 2 years ago
Kidd & Carter 4 life
Pastetto 2 years ago
you got damn right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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you call that an assist? in europe we call it a pass, an assist is a pass that fid you free, with no defense on you. 10.000 assist my ass- anyway kidd is a grat player
dennina78 2 years ago
and thats why all of Europe gets wrecked by the USA in Basketball in the olympics all the time.
xAmphoric 2 years ago 5
and thats why all of Europe gets wrecked by the USA in Basketball in the olympics all the time.
famousfahad 2 years ago 3
can u do better
dont think so
JNboy23 2 years ago
Yeah don't be braggin about your European basketball thinking it can in any way be compared to the NBA..
JustLogic24 2 years ago
yeah right, im from europe also and im playing a lot of basketball, youre talking a lot of bs...your explanation of an assist is bs, the 10000 were all real assist
Nr1337 2 years ago
haha stupid americans :D 10,000 yeah its great,very nice player but they cheering as everyone just won milion bucks. only comercial,no spirit of the game
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and thats why all of the world gets wrecked by the USA in Basketball in the olympics all the time.
famousfahad 2 years ago
possibly because americans are enthusiastic about their teams and players...
maybe if where ever your stupid fans are from were this excited in the game
your country would be half as good as US
GibsonRock4All 2 years ago
if you americans would be half as good fans as europeans,your team would be at least half proud as they are now
durshlekas 2 years ago
ahahh
why would they want to be half as proud as they are now?
how could anyone be Prouder?
i mean we did just win GOLD in that little competition called the OLYMPICS
GibsonRock4All 2 years ago 4
PWNED!
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