Ron Paul is wrong. Capitalism is the problem. Although the real issue, the BIG issue, is the crisis of consciousness that we suffer from. Despite all our advances we still live in fear of neighbors as our cavemen ancestors have. Furthermore, we have built a society around the notions of competition, greed and individual selfishness. Capitalism is an extension of this. An inherent quality of free-market capitalism is failure. Why should we accept such a system that propagates inequality?
@jmintube People dont understand that the reason free markets work is because they are based on respect.If i grow tomatoes in my garden why should i just give it away to someone?Its natural i may want a carrot in return or something,that is capitalism,its not that hard to understand.If i can just use the goverment and take away your tomatoes,its a disrespectful act.Health care education etc are PRODUCTS not rights.Why dont people like you understand RESPECT?There is no equality
@jmintube true compaetition is good keeps us sharp its coprporatism thats bad we live in a duopoly i.e. burger king mcdolnald walmart and target that mentality is coprporatism
I would vote for Ron Paul if it wasn't for his dangerous relegation of civil liberties and education to the states and his large support of state rights.
@Bayview05 I know his support for states rights is pretty annoying. Overall though I think he can really fix this economy and help encourage job growth and those to me is are the most important issues.
i love how your not allowed to say conspiracy. the government woudl never lie oh no. bullshit. all you have to say ins conspiracy and you end the argument. there is zero evidence that they killed Osama. ZERO! this show is corporate media they are not balanced they push the status quo.
God Bless the USA if they get it wrong again and if they do not vote for this man who is the last bastion of political integrity left in this corrupt two party system that we’ve passively allowed and voted for, time and time again! Vote Ron Paul 2012 and more importantly support and volunteer for his campaign!
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RON PAUL IS GOING TO BE PROSECUTED BY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO CALL AMERICAN PEOPLE INVADERS AND INITIATORS OF WARS.
RON PAUL SAID THE USA INVADES COUNTRIES AND STARTS WARS, WHICH GIVES USA A BAD REPUTATION AROUND THE WORLD , THEREFORE IT IS CONSIDERED A CRIME . A US CITIZEN WHO
WAS BORN IN USA CANT GO AGAINST GOVERNMENT POLICIES WHICH MIGHT TREATEN THE FUTURE
Me being part of the young generation, we want Ron Paul in office. We dont want to enter a world (after college graduation) where we cant find a job and where we have national debt on top of our college debt
Ron Paul, America's last chance. Or you can vote for Obama again or some GOP shill. Turns out they're not that different. Get out of Iraq and shut down Gitmo? Nope. They're all playing the same game and we're paying for it. Ron Paul doesn't play this game and that's why he doesn't get serious air time and support from any news station. Ron Paul 2012. If not then I strongly suggest voting 3rd party. We need to get out of this dual dictatorship of the two party system.
He didn't put forth a conspiracy theory he stated that the incompetence of our leaders allows conspiracy to propagate. How stupid are the people conducted these interviews? I mean seriously do they speak English? Do they have difficult with comprehension. We need a media not full of dumb asses.
Voting for anyone except Paul will be a big mistake. ( the same one we keep making). Quit listening to the Neo-cons on Fox and the Socialists on the other networks- It's basically all the status quo that is ruining our country.
RUN RON RUN !!! WE'VE ALREADY WON THEY JUST ,HAVE TOO KEEP YOU THINKING THAT HE'S GOING TOO LOSE !!! SO THEY SAY "THEY NEED ANY BODY TOO RUN OTHER THAN THE CHOICES THEY ALREADY HAVE ", BUT RON PAUL IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN TELL YOU HOW IT IS !! EVEN IF IT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU WANT TOO HEAR, AND LESS THAT HE MAY NOT LIKE SAYING IT EITHER , BUT RON PAUL THINKS THE AMERICAIN PEOPLE CAN HANDLE THE FACTS AND NOT LIES AND FALSE FLAGS AGAIST THE PEOPLE, THANK YOU GOD BLESS , MR.BONES
However, unlike Ron Paul I do not believe you can occupy Pakistan. First and foremost Pakistan has nuclear weapons and a robust air defense system in place which makes a take over let alone a quick one impossible without sustaining heavy losses (i.e. every military installation in Asia/M.E and hundreds of thousands of soldiers).
Secondly, you've got a population of 160+ million where in Afghanistan and Iraq you had 30 million a pop and look at the problems experienced.
@UBSCARED Yes Sheep, it does. It's not just about him winning... it's about the debate. We were mocked in 07/08, and guess what... now we are having conversations about some of these issues. Even morons like you are learning what the Federal Reserve is.
And let's see... He is polling in the top 3 in almost half of the states that have released polls, and he finished in 2nd in several primaries 3 years ago.
Now back to the flock, and take your ignorance with you.
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@Str8Soldier1247 "AND DONT INVADE PAKISTAN CUZ WW3 WILL START." ...the hell are you talking about? we've had military troops in Pakistan since 1990 and we've been funneling them money since the 70's. not to mention the 1 air base and 2 ground troop bases that we have in pakistan. wake up and smell the muslim brotherhood! we arent invading WE'RE HELPING THEM and we're adding more troops for them to utilize. we need to bring our troops home to protect this country bc homeland security SUCKS at it
@HisRoyalFlesh no your not helping anything, america is a selfish bitch right now and has its own agenda, and the elite dont care about u or your wants thats y u need Ron Paul, and nobody wants foreign troops in there country killing them either by a gun or drone attacks get the fuck out of other peoples counties and help your OWN people who are still homeless and without jobs, well worry about our own.
@Str8Soldier1247 you're acting like you are disagreeing with me when you just reworded what i said and took away the facts...? i am a Dr.Paul supporter! and im not arguing with you about HIM. im just saying that your first comment made no sense seeing as how we ALREADY DID invade Pakistan 20 years ago and never left. -__-
The only people who can be called free are those who live by reason. The press has always been the publics reasoning faculty and at pressent all major outlets are owned by major corporations. We are only seeing what television producers want us to see, which means our press consists of nothing but corporate propaganda. This is one thing that I was refering to when I said private institutions can oppress societies just as easily as public ones.
"politicians respond to constituents" Perhaps, but constituents respond to propaganda and propaganda is created through campaign donations. My veiws on the capitalist propaganda model have been largely influenced by Manufacturing Consent. There are several videos on youtube sumerising this book.
RP has vowed to never aprove a tax hike which, with Americas debts, is completely unrealistic. Also I think the libertarian philosophy in general is intellectualy shallow and morally demented.
One major problem I see with many of the responses here is that no one actually knows what they are talking about. Majority of the people are taking their OWN point of view and treating it as reality without even realizing it. In order to understand Ron Paul you need to understand history, economics, and social order---you need to stop being selfish and stop thinking everything is that simple. Also, everyone is worried about evolution when right now at this very moment evolution is non-existent.
It is so interesting. I look at Ron Paul I can tell he is a man that honestly know what he is talking about and one that is speaking from the heart, He truly wants a change and wants good for the people of this country. When I look at all other candidates and politicians, it is so obvious how much bullshit they have in them.
@nicoSF5 No industrialised nation can survive without public education and for this reason alone Ron Paul will send America to the third world.
Also the middle class didn't really exist before unions and income tax, and with RP both these things will be gone. His policies will literally destroy the middle class.
@urdisturbing Interesting...because before/during the industrial revolution majority of the population of the US barely knew how to read; even today still the population of the US is very uneducated. And the middle class has never been more in danger than it is today. I can tell that you don't know much about the history nor the current state of the US. ---One of the major problems we face since the beginning of time: people speaking on subjects they know nothing about. Thanks.
@nicoSF5 The industrial revolution was a terrible time for the working class and public education is one of the biggest differences between have and have-not nations. If these points are true, which I think they are, then libertarianism is bunk.
I'm here strictly to teach and learn, not to hurt people.
@urdisturbing Yes it was, but right now we're trending simultaneously towards the worst kind of capitalism and state socialism... Maybe Ron Paul's dismantling of the state will open up a window for the rebirth of real workers' movements and collective action in ways that our current pseudo-democracy will not allow... The ONE THING we can do to reform the US government is to end private campaign contributions (cash or not), and force candidates to use 100% pooled public money.
@urdisturbing Are you joking? You think public education is what has propelled China and similar nations to unprecedented levels of wealth? The same system Bismarck used to inculcate and control the masses? Of course, it is a non sequitur to infer from their truth libertarianism being "Bunk" - assuming they are true. But they're not.
@urdisturbing : oh boy, we have another ignorant and corrupt bot from ThinkProgress.
So according to your logic, they had "free-market economy" in the dark pages? Well, speaking of being "ignorant"...
Man, you seem quite unafraid to glow your ignorance - no wonder you hate Cato. Honey, unlike America, China has been steadily moving towards freer-economy from once a iron-fisted centrally planning economy that starved as many as 40 millions to death under Mao. Sure the commie China is still
@tooltalk I believe Ron Paul will usher in the next dark ages. No modern industrialised economy can survive without public education and I challenge you to find a single example that indicates otherwise. For this reason alone he will send America to the third world.
He wants America to be the way it was 150 years ago. The dark ages actually aren't so bad by comparison.
@urdisturbing : eh? you believe, b/c you don't understand how economics works?
It seems apparent you never studied development economics. You know, there was a development economic model based on education - on a belief that universal education alone would help bring modern industrialization, etc, back in the 60's (of course, by our libtardo economists). So they spent billions in most promising countries like Ghana, once a crown jewel of (sub-Sarahan) Africa (which had the best universities)
@tooltalk Are there any countries worth mentioning that don't have public education?
And Africas problems are extremely complicated, their society is very different then ours. I know this because I've been there. It doesn't suprise me that a simple solution didn't work.
@urdisturbing : Of course, most countries without any *industralization* fit in that "no public education" category. In Africa, one of the fastest growing economy like Botswana doesn't have a compulsory system.
"Africas problems are extremely complicated"
That's an excellent point. Unfortunately it's not just Africas. In general we know very little or nothing about what causes economic growth in Africas or in most developed countries. To pretend that we know better - or education is necessary
@urdisturbing : Sure, Botswana is no club med - though tourism is one of the main source of revenue for Botswana - but, since its independence 40 years ago, it's been growing like no other, bar Germany (50's), Japan (60's), Korea (70's), or China (90's-present).
Also consider that Botswana is one of the few countries in Africa to have moved towards free-market from very early on, unlike most Africans countries that socialized and nationalized under some lefti'sm.
@urdisturbing : as you've insinuated - is not only condescending, but the same idea that we think we know certain factors contribute to economic growth also caused more pain and waste in underdeveloped countries in the past 60 years.
Conversely, to answer your first questions, there are a lot of countries with public education that failed to develop modern industrialization (in addition to Jamaica and Ghana).
@tooltalk "the same idea that we think we know certain factors contribute to economic growth also caused more pain and waste in underdeveloped countries in the past 60 years." I think the problem in most societies is that power is concentrated and subsequently abused. Lassaiz-fair capitalism concentrates power encredibly effectively and the 19th century proves this. Even republicans at this time considered "Wage Slavery" to be no different from other kinds of slavery.
@urdisturbing : no, all I'm saying is that there's no positive/negative correlation between *public education* and industrialization - again, I think we know preciously little when it comes to economics. I just think your argument is a bit of red herring.
Furthermore, Paul is not against *education*; he's just against the state's control of it.
@tooltalk I used to be a big fan of RP. However, I have a friend who is a teacher and a mother who is a college instructor and they are both adamant that public education is one of the biggest differences between have and have-not countries. I haven't been given any reason to think otherwise.
@urdisturbing So because the people that work for the "Public Education" team are saying that we would be nothing without them? Maybe you should check your sources.
Also, RP has never said that there shouldn't be public education, he just says that the Federal Government has no business being involved.
Name a benefit of the Federal Gov being involved? Since the have, spending has skyrocketed, but results have plummeted. You end up with situations where teachers have to "teach to the test"
@Syphalis1 "RP has never said that there shouldn't be public education, he just says that the Federal Government has no business being involved." Federal, local, I don't see any reason to care. Whichever works best, I say.
My mother is an honest, hard-working, wonderful woman. I trust her more then you.
The benefit of the government being involved is that people go to school who otherwise wouldn't afford it. Like yourself, for instance.
@urdisturbing But that's the problem... you don't see the difference. Look, I'm not here to talk down to you, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I want you to see things the way I (and Dr Paul) see them.
The Federal government is the ultimate force. They make blanket rulings and laws that have sweeping consequences (usually for the worse). Because they are a larger bureaucracy, they can never be efficient, and can never know what is going to work best for your school district.
@Syphalis1 Politically, I consider myself an anarchist. This means I believe that having power over people is always wrong. However, I don't think that government authority is worse than corporate authority. If you don't like what a politician you can protest and vote, but you can't do this if you don't like a CEO. I think capitalism is undemocratic. I know that public institutions are usually (but not always) seen as less efficient then private ones, but at least they're accountable.
@urdisturbing One of my friends was recently explaining the anarchist position... it's intriguing, but I think mankind needs further evolution before it would be viable.
I think you have it backwards though... If I don't like a company (or ceo), I can boycott their products, encourage others to do so. I could buy stock in that company and earn a vote. I could support their competitors. I could file torts if they violate my property rights. I could start my own company and challenge them.
@urdisturbing Corporations are held waaaaay more accountable than government. As long as there is free market competition, the market forces will keep them accountable to the consumers. otherwise, they lose sales and eventually go out of business.
How is the government accountable? Last Prez election I wanted to end the wars (afghan, Iraq, Terror, Drugs). I wanted to lessen militarism while strengthening defense. I wanted the FED to be held accountable. Who could I have voted for?
@urdisturbing Public institutions give the illusion of accountability. But it's always a monopoly. There's no other choice.
We live in a system of Corporate Cronyism where in the government creates more regulatory laws/bodies, creating closer ties to corporations.... then you end up with corporate lobbyists writing all the laws, and competition being stifled because only the biggest Corps. with political ties getting advantages while making it harder for start ups to come into play.
@urdisturbing I'm sure your mom is a great person. Mine was a teacher too. But I saw first hand how she had to deal with Federal rules, and the Unions, and how she was treated by other under-achieving teachers (paid more only because they had been there longer.
And I would hope you trust your mom more than me! I'm just a RP supporter trying to show the light to anyone willing to look.
This debate has nothing to do with availability of education... which I would argue, especially in regards
@urdisturbing (cont) to college ed (the $ of which has been ridiculously inflated by the availability of "gov guaranteed loans" under the guise of "helping the lower classes").
Y should we be taxed by the federal gov just so they can give the money back to our schools (after losing about 50% in the bureaucracy) w/strings attached?
Ask your Mom what she thinks about "No Child Left Behind". I'd be interested to know.
But I challenge either of u to show how the fed Gov makes education better.
@urdisturbing Well, both Parties are terrible... and pretty much the same (sure the rhetoric sounds a little different... and listening to Obama talk is way better than W, but..)
Again, both parties support the same monetary policy, same imperialistic interventionist foreign policy, they support all the wars, they support the Patriot act, the Support the Federal Reserve, and they support that the Fed Gov can make laws for just about anything (regardless of what the Constitution says)
@Syphalis1 Everybody knows that Americas education is crap. Every country worth mentioning puts more into its public education then America. RPs solution is to cut funding to public education. Smart.
In Canada our post-secondary tuition is about 1/4 what it is in America. This is how the federal government helps.
@urdisturbing We spend over Half a Trillion $ on education every year! Japan & Germany (next highest) spend under $140 Billion!
Yes, cut FEDERAL spending, because it hurts. Since the Dept of Ed was created, federal spending on Ed has more than quadrupled, yet scores have consistently dropped. This is not a money issue!
Now your second point is actually leading somewhere! Canada does it differently (arguably better). in the US, the Fed Gov guarantees tons of loans to college applicants...
@urdisturbing (cont.) to make sure "everyone has a chance at a decent education." Sure it sounds great, but all it does is inflate the cost of ed (same thing happened with our housing market when the Fed and the Gov were guaranteeing loans, while forcing interest rates below market demand!).
Meanwhile, these loans are being defaulted on at a rate of about 1 in 4, and then we get this huge "Private College" industry that sprouts up encouraging people to take classes (gov will give u a loan!)
@Syphalis1 A lot of the money that is being spent on education in America is going to private ivy league universities, which cost a lot more but don't deliver a lot more. They do a good job of making sure halfatard elites can buy their way in any time (case and point: George Bush).
@Syphalis1 I agree that there is no real difference between the two parties. According to political scientist Larry Bartels, both parties only respond to the desires of high income voters. This isn't suprising to me because elections are normally won by whoever generates the most campaign revenue. I don't think Ron Paul will be effective in stopping Americas militarism, but he will help end environmentalism and cut funding to social programs to people who need them.
@urdisturbing In actuality, politicians respond to constituents.The big problem is our apathetic constituents. If people paid attention and actually held politicians accountable, things would change. In the end, politicians want to get re-elected; right now though, it benefits them to be nice to the connected corporations because they will "fundraise" the most, allowing them to air many(mostly untrue)commercials which is enough to convince a majority of the 50% of the apathetic people who vote.
@urdisturbing What are you basing this on? The several speeches he's giving in the last few months where he blatantly states he thinks it would be ridiculous to go after the social programs right now while we are funding the empire like we are. Listen to his speech on the House Floor where he chastises Republicans for going after Planned Parenthood and NPR.
He has offered solutions to getting the "social programs" into financial viability. & never does he say just end them and cut people off
@urdisturbing There are aspects of other systems. Finland obviously get's results (but that's from a mostly socialist country... I don't think you could adopt their system of education without getting closer to their full government philosophy... which I have major issues with).
South Korea has been a great innovator. They focus on Math and Science and have a good system for rewarding and promoting the best teachers (because they allow their teachers to experiment with different methods).
@urdisturbing Otherwise they will lose their precious federal funding (which they didn't have before, but got better results!)
Let localities and states handle education. Does some congressmen in DC really know whats better for your kids in the class room than the teacher/principal/School Board?
You have to understand that whenever the Federal Government is involved, no matter how noble the intentions, there are always unintended consequences (often worse than the original issue!)
@urdisturbing That's not his position. So either he misspoke, or you misunderstood. He generally is always referring to the federal government. You can check him out on many other videos... he wants local control of education, and no federal involvement.
not really. Well, it seems like you are leaning towards anarchism, so you shouldn't have any difficulty understanding Karl Popper's piece-meal solutions or Hayek's top vs. bottom planning. When it comes to education, I think it really should be left up to parents, teachers and students to determine the best way.
Also note America current ed is heavily influenced by Germany's research-university scholarship and institution of the late 19th century and there's also
@urdisturbing : Furthermore, America's universities, both private and public, are the envy of the world (even with the education mania going on now) - so much so that Germany is now trying to emulate America's success. I think that's a proof that education can thrive without too gov't interference. Why emulate others? Conversely, take a look at CUNY: it once competed with Harvard and Princeton for top spots, but the city's politically motivated reform in the 60's pretty much destroyed it.
@urdisturbing If you're interested in education and how america became great without institutionalized compulsory schooling, and how today's schooling is in no way 'educating' read this book by John Taylor Gatto, 3 time winner of the New York State Teacher of the Year award who quit on the OP ED page of the Wall Street Journal saying he was "no longer willing to hurt children".
@urdisturbing : and Jamaica. Jamaica has produced some worthy intellectuals, but not much increase in living standard, much less "modern industrialization" that proponents of education once claimed.
Likewise, in most developed countries, you need to look at what came first, industrialization or education? Sure education maybe a noble thing, but, as Oscar Wilde once said, nothing worth knowing can be taught in school.
@urdisturbing The next Dark Age will make way for real change. There is no other way to revitalize American society than to destroy it to a certain extent. The drugged masses who have forgotten that their grandparents had to take billy clubs to the head in fighting for basic workers' rights will have to be reminded of that struggle firsthand. We need a lot of mass hardship to undo the Boomers' spoiled-brat outlook on life. Break the state; vote Ron Paul.
@urdisturbing Incidentally, the dark ages followed the collapse of an unsustainable, bloated empire. Much like the US. So if he heralds in a dark age, it'll be one resulting from the US collapsing on itself.
@tooltalk "Free-markets" have never existed anywhere except in Ron Pauls head. In every economic system power is concentrated into the hands of a few individuals, and in every system the common man has no say in important decisions which effect his life.
I hope he gets the republican nomination because then most if not all republicans would vote for him as opposed to if someone else won than some hardcore republicans wouldnt and then there would be a split vote between rp and the other guy making Obama technically win. NOBAMA 2012
@RJWooller A gold standard does not mean that everybody should have physical gold... obviously there is not enough for that. It means that paper money`s value is determined by the amount of gold held.
@badaboomrock I think the idea is for the government to hold the gold, but that requires an honest president and those seem to only come arond every hundred years or so... Luckily there is one now
@nod1207 Some of my Green Party constitutants think this is unfair b/c people holding gold would come out ahead ; I disagree strongly with this viewpoint. 'They' mostly tout Keynesian, which at its findamentals is Ok but in my humblest opinion, its too easily corrptable power that in the wrong hands is disasterous. Perfect example: USA now, Zimbabwe, Germany, Argentina.... A commodity (or reasource - iam bathed hippie) based economy is the safest way to go.
@GuysCallMeShawna No system is perfect, but you are right. A commodity based economy is by far the safest one we have. But you know, this still requiers an honost government that are looking out for people`s best interests. It is vital that people start paying attention to what the government is doing, instead of focusing on Justin Biebers new tatoo. I believe this is the number one reason for misplaced power.. people are just too distracted nowadays
FedGov.Inc profits from the selective enforcement of our laws. Ron Paul would put an end to that. The middle class will be on the endangered species list until Ron Paul is president. He's a brave man to run for President when the US teeters on the brink of financial collapse.
Major corporations are bribing ("Lobbying") politicians to start wars and destroy the environment and do anything else that will increase stock prices to rise. The problem is capitalism.
And don't try to tell me there is a difference between corporatism and capitalism, because there isn't. One has never existed without the other.
@urdisturbing There is. Don't you try tell me there is not a difference, when there are and have been instances of capitalism without corporatism. The problem IS the government and its apparatus of coercion.
@urdisturbing Hong Kong right now. But lets go furhter - provide a logical theory as to why they cannot be separated. It doesn't do to just assert it, like you do. Oh and please don't try the "history" argument, as there's instances of non-corporatist societies that espoused free trade like medieval Ireland or Iceland, or the actual American wild west. So go on and give me a proper theory as to why. It should be amusing.
@Moragauth Hong Kong has public education and health care. Medieval Ireland and iceland predate the Wealth of Nations so they can hardly be called relevant. There isn't a single successful democracy today that doesn't have these things. Try again.
@Moragauth Libertarianism is nothing but capitalist propaganda. It is the product of think tanks such as CATO, which is controlled by Koch Industries. Anybody who listens to these sources is either ignorant or corrupt. Like most other religious leaders, I suspect Ron Paul is a bit of both.
@urdisturbing Are you embarrassed to show who you advocate for? A lot of yara yara yara. Either your ideology is so fucked up that there is not even a politician in the US out that can cater to your bullshit, or you are on here specifically to refute anything that Ron Paul stands for? Either way I catch you commenting daily on Ron Paul's videos busting everyone's chops and for what? Aren't you Canadian or something you socialist pig?
@bytemeNWO America is the most powerful nation in their world and they have made sure that everyone knows it. As Canadian prime minister Peirre Trudeau put it: "Living next to you (America)is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
@urdisturbing Please don't start with the "religious" crap, it just poisons the discussion and adds nothing - not that you've been adding much so far. If you wanna call libertarianism "capitalist propaganda", I'll just call everything you say dimwit-socialist-propaganda and Soros worship. How's that? If you cannot attack specific arguments logically, shut up. No one cares what you personally think of the thought system. FYI, Paul is anti-Koch. Ooh. Burn.
@urdisturbing Re Koch, examine their political positions and stances rather than taking a rather broad ideological similarity to mean they agree on much at all. Re HK, public provision of services is not inand of itself corporatism. It is merely a mixed economy. Re property rights, no one "invented" them. Authors from Aristotle to Locke tried to justify them. And not all had "lots" of property. Which is a spurious argument anyway. Re wealth of Nations, it did not inaugurate capitalism...
@Moragauth The problem is government coercion AND capitalist coercion... To paraphrase Bakunin: freedom without socialism is privilege and gangsterism; socialism without freedom is slavery and tyranny. For an example of the former, see Singapore or Hong Kong; for and example of the latter, see China or N. korea.
@mollyjeorgensen What is "capitalist" coercion? How does HK or Singapore conform to gangsterism and/or privilege and how is capitalism to blame for this? Of course, the foregoing from Bakunin is pure assertion.
@Moragauth Gangsterism, for HK, is literal - Triads are the ones primarily in control of commerce and politics. For Singapore, it is more figurative - Singapore is a brutal fucking authoritarian state that, despite very free markets, has nothing resembling liberty or freedom. "Capitalist coersion" refers, in part, to the state's continued monopoly on violence (to underwrite the power of corporate interests), and in part to wage slavery as an exclusive vehicle for survival for most citizens.
Paul is wrong on pakistan, they are the 6th largest populated country in the world. Even the Republic party would be frighten to go to war with them, we in the US only pick on defenseless little countries.
@mathers3000 I'm gonna respectfully disagree with you and this is only my opinion, but I don't think Pakistan is as organized (militarily) as the 5 other larger populations. There are a lot of tribal areas. They don't have the sheer firepower the U.S. does, and I don't believe their nuclear warheads are attached to any reliable I.C.B.M's that could reach the U.S. or even many of the U.S's E.U. allies. I don't see a purpose going into Pakistan for war unless we're working towards China or Iran.
It would be nice if Ron Paul is voted in President and weeds out the criminals in the Government and bring them and their deeds to account before the people of America ....
When will people grow the hell up...wake the hell up...and realize that they are turning their own children and grandchildren into livestock to be consumed by globalist banksters? Maobama has continued every one of Shrub's most egregious policies and has innovated even more abusive ones of his own. When will the sheeple stop dancing with stars and start using their heads? When will we stop blowing up people on the other side of the earth and turn our attention to protecting our own borders?
PURE HARD CORE TRUE FROM DR.PAUL. I AM SO AGREE WITH HIM IN EVERYTHING. UNFORTUNATELY.....I AM NOT AGREE WITH THE OTHER POLITICIANS DUE TO THIS FACT :
I BELIEVE IN AMERICA ( YEAH RIGHT)
YES..YES WE CAN ( REALLY?)
IS NOT WHAT YOU COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU.IS WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY (WHAT A LIP WORK)
THE REAL CHANGE HAS COME! ( ARE YOU SERIOUS?) WHAT CHANGE?
RON PAUL: LET's END THE FEDERAL RESERVE. NOW...THAT IS VERY SERIOUS CHANGE Among MANY MORE.
Conspiracies happen ALL the TIME, and EVERYONE KNOWS that! What is the big taboo about a conspiracy theory with these idiot presstitutes?!
The mainstream American society is a hedonistic debauchery, and it's frustrating to watch these disney land "news" medias put forth feel good, jackasses who refuse to report NEWS in place of real journalists for the public 's news consumption.
@ademar9988 Thank you from American my friend! We all can come together around liberty! Government systems have long divided people in various ways to take and hold control!
I'm sorry Ron Paul. I don't want my SS deductions to stop. Instead, I actually want a REFUND! That would be one more step in the extreme and I think it is what is owed. What? Everything would collapse? Where was the money even going then? Argh.... :-(
People have been trying to explain to me the difference between "Corporatism" and "Capitalism," and its hard to understand. I'm not aware of any point in history where capitalist institutions were separate from corporate ones.
Ron Paul is wrong. Capitalism is the problem. Although the real issue, the BIG issue, is the crisis of consciousness that we suffer from. Despite all our advances we still live in fear of neighbors as our cavemen ancestors have. Furthermore, we have built a society around the notions of competition, greed and individual selfishness. Capitalism is an extension of this. An inherent quality of free-market capitalism is failure. Why should we accept such a system that propagates inequality?
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@jmintube People dont understand that the reason free markets work is because they are based on respect.If i grow tomatoes in my garden why should i just give it away to someone?Its natural i may want a carrot in return or something,that is capitalism,its not that hard to understand.If i can just use the goverment and take away your tomatoes,its a disrespectful act.Health care education etc are PRODUCTS not rights.Why dont people like you understand RESPECT?There is no equality
affilinet 2 weeks ago
@jmintube true compaetition is good keeps us sharp its coprporatism thats bad we live in a duopoly i.e. burger king mcdolnald walmart and target that mentality is coprporatism
fodiz9 6 days ago
What kind of name is Newt anyway? Newt!? lol it's like having a president named Toad.
ohedd 1 month ago 2
I would vote for Ron Paul if it wasn't for his dangerous relegation of civil liberties and education to the states and his large support of state rights.
Bayview05 4 months ago
@Bayview05 I know his support for states rights is pretty annoying. Overall though I think he can really fix this economy and help encourage job growth and those to me is are the most important issues.
SecretAgent194 4 months ago
Ron Paul knows that the whole bin Laden fairy tale is contrived bullshit !
0815funkmaster 4 months ago
i love how your not allowed to say conspiracy. the government woudl never lie oh no. bullshit. all you have to say ins conspiracy and you end the argument. there is zero evidence that they killed Osama. ZERO! this show is corporate media they are not balanced they push the status quo.
robaquarian 4 months ago
God Bless the USA if they get it wrong again and if they do not vote for this man who is the last bastion of political integrity left in this corrupt two party system that we’ve passively allowed and voted for, time and time again! Vote Ron Paul 2012 and more importantly support and volunteer for his campaign!
TheFamousamosmoses 6 months ago
"Did you just bounce a conspiracy theory off of us Ron Paul?" Everyone looks and waits.
That was fucking sad. Why does the media do that with the term to stigmatize shit? History is a series of conspiracies you dense dunce.
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shawondemand 8 months ago
Me being part of the young generation, we want Ron Paul in office. We dont want to enter a world (after college graduation) where we cant find a job and where we have national debt on top of our college debt
ravensgangsta 8 months ago 17
@ravensgangsta Exactly, right now, if we were to pay off the debt immediately, it would cost the taxpayer $36,000.
masterskyrunner 8 months ago
@ravensgangsta if i was american i would vote for him....hes like jack layton to us LOL
shakysyxx 8 months ago
@shakysyxx lol amen man
ravensgangsta 8 months ago
@shakysyxx If I was Canadian I would have voted for Jack Layton (:
MegaCokamo 8 months ago
Ron Paul, America's last chance. Or you can vote for Obama again or some GOP shill. Turns out they're not that different. Get out of Iraq and shut down Gitmo? Nope. They're all playing the same game and we're paying for it. Ron Paul doesn't play this game and that's why he doesn't get serious air time and support from any news station. Ron Paul 2012. If not then I strongly suggest voting 3rd party. We need to get out of this dual dictatorship of the two party system.
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Ron Paul is not America's last chance, the fate of the entire world will be decided in 2012. Ron Paul is mankind's last chance.
Ihateflagging123 8 months ago 23
@Ihateflagging123 LOL Nice scaremongering. :D
OrthodoxAtheist 7 months ago
@Ihateflagging123 -There might be some truth to that...if only Ross Perot was elected...we might not have to beg people to vote for Ron Paul today
eternalperchedbird 7 months ago
@Ihateflagging123 if not then maybe the mayans had a point
skunkworks226 3 months ago
He didn't put forth a conspiracy theory he stated that the incompetence of our leaders allows conspiracy to propagate. How stupid are the people conducted these interviews? I mean seriously do they speak English? Do they have difficult with comprehension. We need a media not full of dumb asses.
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Voting for anyone except Paul will be a big mistake. ( the same one we keep making). Quit listening to the Neo-cons on Fox and the Socialists on the other networks- It's basically all the status quo that is ruining our country.
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Mr420wholesalers 9 months ago
I agree with Ron Paul.
However, unlike Ron Paul I do not believe you can occupy Pakistan. First and foremost Pakistan has nuclear weapons and a robust air defense system in place which makes a take over let alone a quick one impossible without sustaining heavy losses (i.e. every military installation in Asia/M.E and hundreds of thousands of soldiers).
Secondly, you've got a population of 160+ million where in Afghanistan and Iraq you had 30 million a pop and look at the problems experienced.
ticklemegangrene 9 months ago
@UBSCARED Yes Sheep, it does. It's not just about him winning... it's about the debate. We were mocked in 07/08, and guess what... now we are having conversations about some of these issues. Even morons like you are learning what the Federal Reserve is.
And let's see... He is polling in the top 3 in almost half of the states that have released polls, and he finished in 2nd in several primaries 3 years ago.
Now back to the flock, and take your ignorance with you.
RP2012!
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Str8Soldier1247 9 months ago
@Str8Soldier1247 "AND DONT INVADE PAKISTAN CUZ WW3 WILL START." ...the hell are you talking about? we've had military troops in Pakistan since 1990 and we've been funneling them money since the 70's. not to mention the 1 air base and 2 ground troop bases that we have in pakistan. wake up and smell the muslim brotherhood! we arent invading WE'RE HELPING THEM and we're adding more troops for them to utilize. we need to bring our troops home to protect this country bc homeland security SUCKS at it
HisRoyalFlesh 9 months ago
@HisRoyalFlesh no your not helping anything, america is a selfish bitch right now and has its own agenda, and the elite dont care about u or your wants thats y u need Ron Paul, and nobody wants foreign troops in there country killing them either by a gun or drone attacks get the fuck out of other peoples counties and help your OWN people who are still homeless and without jobs, well worry about our own.
Str8Soldier1247 9 months ago
@Str8Soldier1247 you're acting like you are disagreeing with me when you just reworded what i said and took away the facts...? i am a Dr.Paul supporter! and im not arguing with you about HIM. im just saying that your first comment made no sense seeing as how we ALREADY DID invade Pakistan 20 years ago and never left. -__-
HisRoyalFlesh 9 months ago
@HisRoyalFlesh lol... We're helping them by killing innocent civilians with predator drones.... Jesus christ
99Steve 9 months ago
The only people who can be called free are those who live by reason. The press has always been the publics reasoning faculty and at pressent all major outlets are owned by major corporations. We are only seeing what television producers want us to see, which means our press consists of nothing but corporate propaganda. This is one thing that I was refering to when I said private institutions can oppress societies just as easily as public ones.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
"politicians respond to constituents" Perhaps, but constituents respond to propaganda and propaganda is created through campaign donations. My veiws on the capitalist propaganda model have been largely influenced by Manufacturing Consent. There are several videos on youtube sumerising this book.
RP has vowed to never aprove a tax hike which, with Americas debts, is completely unrealistic. Also I think the libertarian philosophy in general is intellectualy shallow and morally demented.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
What the hell is Joe wearing? He's missing the old weak cat in his lap and the sunday crossword puzzle in his hand that would complete the outfit.
uk6strings 9 months ago
So basically the US has two choices.
1. To create a debt free US money, issued by Congress, or
2. Continue this nonsense and go for a global fiat currency, secure to give us a much worse recession than the one we have now.
HolliValsMusic 9 months ago
anti-corporatism is good for the public, from poor to middle-class....so...all
Vote for Ron Paul
MrEdwinauer 9 months ago
It's Ron Paul or it's fail!
NCIcaucus 9 months ago
One major problem I see with many of the responses here is that no one actually knows what they are talking about. Majority of the people are taking their OWN point of view and treating it as reality without even realizing it. In order to understand Ron Paul you need to understand history, economics, and social order---you need to stop being selfish and stop thinking everything is that simple. Also, everyone is worried about evolution when right now at this very moment evolution is non-existent.
nicoSF5 9 months ago
It is so interesting. I look at Ron Paul I can tell he is a man that honestly know what he is talking about and one that is speaking from the heart, He truly wants a change and wants good for the people of this country. When I look at all other candidates and politicians, it is so obvious how much bullshit they have in them.
nicoSF5 9 months ago
@nicoSF5 Ron Paul would usher in the next dark age if it were possible for him to get elected.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing What makes you say this?
nicoSF5 9 months ago
@nicoSF5 No industrialised nation can survive without public education and for this reason alone Ron Paul will send America to the third world.
Also the middle class didn't really exist before unions and income tax, and with RP both these things will be gone. His policies will literally destroy the middle class.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Interesting...because before/during the industrial revolution majority of the population of the US barely knew how to read; even today still the population of the US is very uneducated. And the middle class has never been more in danger than it is today. I can tell that you don't know much about the history nor the current state of the US. ---One of the major problems we face since the beginning of time: people speaking on subjects they know nothing about. Thanks.
nicoSF5 9 months ago
@nicoSF5 The industrial revolution was a terrible time for the working class and public education is one of the biggest differences between have and have-not nations. If these points are true, which I think they are, then libertarianism is bunk.
I'm here strictly to teach and learn, not to hurt people.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Yes it was, but right now we're trending simultaneously towards the worst kind of capitalism and state socialism... Maybe Ron Paul's dismantling of the state will open up a window for the rebirth of real workers' movements and collective action in ways that our current pseudo-democracy will not allow... The ONE THING we can do to reform the US government is to end private campaign contributions (cash or not), and force candidates to use 100% pooled public money.
mollyjeorgensen 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Are you joking? You think public education is what has propelled China and similar nations to unprecedented levels of wealth? The same system Bismarck used to inculcate and control the masses? Of course, it is a non sequitur to infer from their truth libertarianism being "Bunk" - assuming they are true. But they're not.
Moragauth 9 months ago
@Moragauth Anybody who gets their ideas from CATO is either ignorant or corrupt. Like most religious leaders, I suspect RP is a bit of both.
If you think the dark ages were a good think you should definately support Ron Paul.
Holding China and similiar nations up as stellar examples of free-market economies. I'm not even going to bother...
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : oh boy, we have another ignorant and corrupt bot from ThinkProgress.
So according to your logic, they had "free-market economy" in the dark pages? Well, speaking of being "ignorant"...
Man, you seem quite unafraid to glow your ignorance - no wonder you hate Cato. Honey, unlike America, China has been steadily moving towards freer-economy from once a iron-fisted centrally planning economy that starved as many as 40 millions to death under Mao. Sure the commie China is still
tooltalk 9 months ago
@tooltalk I believe Ron Paul will usher in the next dark ages. No modern industrialised economy can survive without public education and I challenge you to find a single example that indicates otherwise. For this reason alone he will send America to the third world.
He wants America to be the way it was 150 years ago. The dark ages actually aren't so bad by comparison.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : eh? you believe, b/c you don't understand how economics works?
It seems apparent you never studied development economics. You know, there was a development economic model based on education - on a belief that universal education alone would help bring modern industrialization, etc, back in the 60's (of course, by our libtardo economists). So they spent billions in most promising countries like Ghana, once a crown jewel of (sub-Sarahan) Africa (which had the best universities)
tooltalk 9 months ago
@tooltalk Are there any countries worth mentioning that don't have public education?
And Africas problems are extremely complicated, their society is very different then ours. I know this because I've been there. It doesn't suprise me that a simple solution didn't work.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : Of course, most countries without any *industralization* fit in that "no public education" category. In Africa, one of the fastest growing economy like Botswana doesn't have a compulsory system.
"Africas problems are extremely complicated"
That's an excellent point. Unfortunately it's not just Africas. In general we know very little or nothing about what causes economic growth in Africas or in most developed countries. To pretend that we know better - or education is necessary
tooltalk 9 months ago
@tooltalk I've been to Botswana, and I would rather live in Canada.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : Sure, Botswana is no club med - though tourism is one of the main source of revenue for Botswana - but, since its independence 40 years ago, it's been growing like no other, bar Germany (50's), Japan (60's), Korea (70's), or China (90's-present).
Also consider that Botswana is one of the few countries in Africa to have moved towards free-market from very early on, unlike most Africans countries that socialized and nationalized under some lefti'sm.
tooltalk 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : as you've insinuated - is not only condescending, but the same idea that we think we know certain factors contribute to economic growth also caused more pain and waste in underdeveloped countries in the past 60 years.
Conversely, to answer your first questions, there are a lot of countries with public education that failed to develop modern industrialization (in addition to Jamaica and Ghana).
tooltalk 9 months ago
@tooltalk "the same idea that we think we know certain factors contribute to economic growth also caused more pain and waste in underdeveloped countries in the past 60 years." I think the problem in most societies is that power is concentrated and subsequently abused. Lassaiz-fair capitalism concentrates power encredibly effectively and the 19th century proves this. Even republicans at this time considered "Wage Slavery" to be no different from other kinds of slavery.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@tooltalk And proving that Jamaica is poor doesn't prove that modern countries don't need public education.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : no, all I'm saying is that there's no positive/negative correlation between *public education* and industrialization - again, I think we know preciously little when it comes to economics. I just think your argument is a bit of red herring.
Furthermore, Paul is not against *education*; he's just against the state's control of it.
tooltalk 9 months ago
@tooltalk I used to be a big fan of RP. However, I have a friend who is a teacher and a mother who is a college instructor and they are both adamant that public education is one of the biggest differences between have and have-not countries. I haven't been given any reason to think otherwise.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing So because the people that work for the "Public Education" team are saying that we would be nothing without them? Maybe you should check your sources.
Also, RP has never said that there shouldn't be public education, he just says that the Federal Government has no business being involved.
Name a benefit of the Federal Gov being involved? Since the have, spending has skyrocketed, but results have plummeted. You end up with situations where teachers have to "teach to the test"
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 "RP has never said that there shouldn't be public education, he just says that the Federal Government has no business being involved." Federal, local, I don't see any reason to care. Whichever works best, I say.
My mother is an honest, hard-working, wonderful woman. I trust her more then you.
The benefit of the government being involved is that people go to school who otherwise wouldn't afford it. Like yourself, for instance.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing But that's the problem... you don't see the difference. Look, I'm not here to talk down to you, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I want you to see things the way I (and Dr Paul) see them.
The Federal government is the ultimate force. They make blanket rulings and laws that have sweeping consequences (usually for the worse). Because they are a larger bureaucracy, they can never be efficient, and can never know what is going to work best for your school district.
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 Politically, I consider myself an anarchist. This means I believe that having power over people is always wrong. However, I don't think that government authority is worse than corporate authority. If you don't like what a politician you can protest and vote, but you can't do this if you don't like a CEO. I think capitalism is undemocratic. I know that public institutions are usually (but not always) seen as less efficient then private ones, but at least they're accountable.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing One of my friends was recently explaining the anarchist position... it's intriguing, but I think mankind needs further evolution before it would be viable.
I think you have it backwards though... If I don't like a company (or ceo), I can boycott their products, encourage others to do so. I could buy stock in that company and earn a vote. I could support their competitors. I could file torts if they violate my property rights. I could start my own company and challenge them.
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Corporations are held waaaaay more accountable than government. As long as there is free market competition, the market forces will keep them accountable to the consumers. otherwise, they lose sales and eventually go out of business.
How is the government accountable? Last Prez election I wanted to end the wars (afghan, Iraq, Terror, Drugs). I wanted to lessen militarism while strengthening defense. I wanted the FED to be held accountable. Who could I have voted for?
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Public institutions give the illusion of accountability. But it's always a monopoly. There's no other choice.
We live in a system of Corporate Cronyism where in the government creates more regulatory laws/bodies, creating closer ties to corporations.... then you end up with corporate lobbyists writing all the laws, and competition being stifled because only the biggest Corps. with political ties getting advantages while making it harder for start ups to come into play.
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@urdisturbing I'm sure your mom is a great person. Mine was a teacher too. But I saw first hand how she had to deal with Federal rules, and the Unions, and how she was treated by other under-achieving teachers (paid more only because they had been there longer.
And I would hope you trust your mom more than me! I'm just a RP supporter trying to show the light to anyone willing to look.
This debate has nothing to do with availability of education... which I would argue, especially in regards
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@urdisturbing (cont) to college ed (the $ of which has been ridiculously inflated by the availability of "gov guaranteed loans" under the guise of "helping the lower classes").
Y should we be taxed by the federal gov just so they can give the money back to our schools (after losing about 50% in the bureaucracy) w/strings attached?
Ask your Mom what she thinks about "No Child Left Behind". I'd be interested to know.
But I challenge either of u to show how the fed Gov makes education better.
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 And I would take the party of Obama and Clinton over the party of Bush and Bush any day of the week.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Well, both Parties are terrible... and pretty much the same (sure the rhetoric sounds a little different... and listening to Obama talk is way better than W, but..)
Again, both parties support the same monetary policy, same imperialistic interventionist foreign policy, they support all the wars, they support the Patriot act, the Support the Federal Reserve, and they support that the Fed Gov can make laws for just about anything (regardless of what the Constitution says)
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 Everybody knows that Americas education is crap. Every country worth mentioning puts more into its public education then America. RPs solution is to cut funding to public education. Smart.
In Canada our post-secondary tuition is about 1/4 what it is in America. This is how the federal government helps.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing We spend over Half a Trillion $ on education every year! Japan & Germany (next highest) spend under $140 Billion!
Yes, cut FEDERAL spending, because it hurts. Since the Dept of Ed was created, federal spending on Ed has more than quadrupled, yet scores have consistently dropped. This is not a money issue!
Now your second point is actually leading somewhere! Canada does it differently (arguably better). in the US, the Fed Gov guarantees tons of loans to college applicants...
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@urdisturbing (cont.) to make sure "everyone has a chance at a decent education." Sure it sounds great, but all it does is inflate the cost of ed (same thing happened with our housing market when the Fed and the Gov were guaranteeing loans, while forcing interest rates below market demand!).
Meanwhile, these loans are being defaulted on at a rate of about 1 in 4, and then we get this huge "Private College" industry that sprouts up encouraging people to take classes (gov will give u a loan!)
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 A lot of the money that is being spent on education in America is going to private ivy league universities, which cost a lot more but don't deliver a lot more. They do a good job of making sure halfatard elites can buy their way in any time (case and point: George Bush).
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing The only federal funding going to private colleges is in the form of research grants.
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 I agree that there is no real difference between the two parties. According to political scientist Larry Bartels, both parties only respond to the desires of high income voters. This isn't suprising to me because elections are normally won by whoever generates the most campaign revenue. I don't think Ron Paul will be effective in stopping Americas militarism, but he will help end environmentalism and cut funding to social programs to people who need them.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing In actuality, politicians respond to constituents.The big problem is our apathetic constituents. If people paid attention and actually held politicians accountable, things would change. In the end, politicians want to get re-elected; right now though, it benefits them to be nice to the connected corporations because they will "fundraise" the most, allowing them to air many(mostly untrue)commercials which is enough to convince a majority of the 50% of the apathetic people who vote.
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@urdisturbing What are you basing this on? The several speeches he's giving in the last few months where he blatantly states he thinks it would be ridiculous to go after the social programs right now while we are funding the empire like we are. Listen to his speech on the House Floor where he chastises Republicans for going after Planned Parenthood and NPR.
He has offered solutions to getting the "social programs" into financial viability. & never does he say just end them and cut people off
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 Is there an education system in any other country that you would like America to emulate?
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing There are aspects of other systems. Finland obviously get's results (but that's from a mostly socialist country... I don't think you could adopt their system of education without getting closer to their full government philosophy... which I have major issues with).
South Korea has been a great innovator. They focus on Math and Science and have a good system for rewarding and promoting the best teachers (because they allow their teachers to experiment with different methods).
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Otherwise they will lose their precious federal funding (which they didn't have before, but got better results!)
Let localities and states handle education. Does some congressmen in DC really know whats better for your kids in the class room than the teacher/principal/School Board?
You have to understand that whenever the Federal Government is involved, no matter how noble the intentions, there are always unintended consequences (often worse than the original issue!)
Syphalis1 9 months ago
@Syphalis1 and btw, he most certainly did say there should be no public education.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing That's not his position. So either he misspoke, or you misunderstood. He generally is always referring to the federal government. You can check him out on many other videos... he wants local control of education, and no federal involvement.
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tooltalk 9 months ago
@tooltalk Is there anyones education system that you would like America to emulate?
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : I'm back.
not really. Well, it seems like you are leaning towards anarchism, so you shouldn't have any difficulty understanding Karl Popper's piece-meal solutions or Hayek's top vs. bottom planning. When it comes to education, I think it really should be left up to parents, teachers and students to determine the best way.
Also note America current ed is heavily influenced by Germany's research-university scholarship and institution of the late 19th century and there's also
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tooltalk 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : Furthermore, America's universities, both private and public, are the envy of the world (even with the education mania going on now) - so much so that Germany is now trying to emulate America's success. I think that's a proof that education can thrive without too gov't interference. Why emulate others? Conversely, take a look at CUNY: it once competed with Harvard and Princeton for top spots, but the city's politically motivated reform in the 60's pretty much destroyed it.
tooltalk 9 months ago
@urdisturbing If you're interested in education and how america became great without institutionalized compulsory schooling, and how today's schooling is in no way 'educating' read this book by John Taylor Gatto, 3 time winner of the New York State Teacher of the Year award who quit on the OP ED page of the Wall Street Journal saying he was "no longer willing to hurt children".
Schooling does not equal education.
johntaylorgatto(dot)com/underground/toc1(dot)htm
stargatelolol 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : and Jamaica. Jamaica has produced some worthy intellectuals, but not much increase in living standard, much less "modern industrialization" that proponents of education once claimed.
Likewise, in most developed countries, you need to look at what came first, industrialization or education? Sure education maybe a noble thing, but, as Oscar Wilde once said, nothing worth knowing can be taught in school.
tooltalk 9 months ago
@nicoSF5 I agree that your system needs change and Obama is as crooked as fuck, but Ron Paul will take everything in the wrong direction.
Except on war. You can't hate his stance on war.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing The next Dark Age will make way for real change. There is no other way to revitalize American society than to destroy it to a certain extent. The drugged masses who have forgotten that their grandparents had to take billy clubs to the head in fighting for basic workers' rights will have to be reminded of that struggle firsthand. We need a lot of mass hardship to undo the Boomers' spoiled-brat outlook on life. Break the state; vote Ron Paul.
mollyjeorgensen 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Incidentally, the dark ages followed the collapse of an unsustainable, bloated empire. Much like the US. So if he heralds in a dark age, it'll be one resulting from the US collapsing on itself.
Moragauth 9 months ago
@urdisturbing : eh? That's a great logic. So they had "free-market" economies back in the dark ages? There is a revelation (about your ignorance).
tooltalk 9 months ago
@tooltalk "Free-markets" have never existed anywhere except in Ron Pauls head. In every economic system power is concentrated into the hands of a few individuals, and in every system the common man has no say in important decisions which effect his life.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
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FROM PAKISTAN !!!
aamanatullah 9 months ago
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aamanatullah 9 months ago
I hope he gets the republican nomination because then most if not all republicans would vote for him as opposed to if someone else won than some hardcore republicans wouldnt and then there would be a split vote between rp and the other guy making Obama technically win. NOBAMA 2012
PloK00nsClone 9 months ago
Pitty not enough gold to go round for every body. No to Ron Paul 2012
RJWooller 9 months ago
@RJWooller A gold standard does not mean that everybody should have physical gold... obviously there is not enough for that. It means that paper money`s value is determined by the amount of gold held.
nod1207 9 months ago 5
@nod1207 ya but who holds the gold the government or the banks, if it ends up with the banks we will still get screwed
badaboomrock 9 months ago
@badaboomrock I think the idea is for the government to hold the gold, but that requires an honest president and those seem to only come arond every hundred years or so... Luckily there is one now
nod1207 9 months ago
@nod1207 Some of my Green Party constitutants think this is unfair b/c people holding gold would come out ahead ; I disagree strongly with this viewpoint. 'They' mostly tout Keynesian, which at its findamentals is Ok but in my humblest opinion, its too easily corrptable power that in the wrong hands is disasterous. Perfect example: USA now, Zimbabwe, Germany, Argentina.... A commodity (or reasource - iam bathed hippie) based economy is the safest way to go.
GuysCallMeShawna 9 months ago
@GuysCallMeShawna No system is perfect, but you are right. A commodity based economy is by far the safest one we have. But you know, this still requiers an honost government that are looking out for people`s best interests. It is vital that people start paying attention to what the government is doing, instead of focusing on Justin Biebers new tatoo. I believe this is the number one reason for misplaced power.. people are just too distracted nowadays
nod1207 9 months ago
FedGov.Inc profits from the selective enforcement of our laws. Ron Paul would put an end to that. The middle class will be on the endangered species list until Ron Paul is president. He's a brave man to run for President when the US teeters on the brink of financial collapse.
Aridzonan13 9 months ago 7
If only we had sound money we could be free!
FreakishDonQuixote 9 months ago
so many Starbucks cups on that table...I hope they paid good coin for the exposure lol
sefrzan 9 months ago
Major corporations are bribing ("Lobbying") politicians to start wars and destroy the environment and do anything else that will increase stock prices to rise. The problem is capitalism.
And don't try to tell me there is a difference between corporatism and capitalism, because there isn't. One has never existed without the other.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing There is. Don't you try tell me there is not a difference, when there are and have been instances of capitalism without corporatism. The problem IS the government and its apparatus of coercion.
Moragauth 9 months ago
@Moragauth "there are and have been instances of capitalism without corporatism" When and where?
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Hong Kong right now. But lets go furhter - provide a logical theory as to why they cannot be separated. It doesn't do to just assert it, like you do. Oh and please don't try the "history" argument, as there's instances of non-corporatist societies that espoused free trade like medieval Ireland or Iceland, or the actual American wild west. So go on and give me a proper theory as to why. It should be amusing.
Moragauth 9 months ago
@Moragauth Hong Kong has public education and health care. Medieval Ireland and iceland predate the Wealth of Nations so they can hardly be called relevant. There isn't a single successful democracy today that doesn't have these things. Try again.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@Moragauth And fyi, it is a historical fact that property rights were invented by people who had lots of property. Kinda suspicious, if you ask me.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@Moragauth "FYI, Paul is anti-Koch"
He's anti Koch yet his political and scientific beliefs happen to be identical to theirs. Sure.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@Moragauth Libertarianism is nothing but capitalist propaganda. It is the product of think tanks such as CATO, which is controlled by Koch Industries. Anybody who listens to these sources is either ignorant or corrupt. Like most other religious leaders, I suspect Ron Paul is a bit of both.
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Are you embarrassed to show who you advocate for? A lot of yara yara yara. Either your ideology is so fucked up that there is not even a politician in the US out that can cater to your bullshit, or you are on here specifically to refute anything that Ron Paul stands for? Either way I catch you commenting daily on Ron Paul's videos busting everyone's chops and for what? Aren't you Canadian or something you socialist pig?
bytemeNWO 9 months ago
@bytemeNWO Dogmaticism is the enemy of free-thought
And yes, I am Canadian
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Then stop being such a dogmatist.
Moragauth 9 months ago
@bytemeNWO America is the most powerful nation in their world and they have made sure that everyone knows it. As Canadian prime minister Peirre Trudeau put it: "Living next to you (America)is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
Americas problems are now everyones problems
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Please don't start with the "religious" crap, it just poisons the discussion and adds nothing - not that you've been adding much so far. If you wanna call libertarianism "capitalist propaganda", I'll just call everything you say dimwit-socialist-propaganda and Soros worship. How's that? If you cannot attack specific arguments logically, shut up. No one cares what you personally think of the thought system. FYI, Paul is anti-Koch. Ooh. Burn.
Moragauth 9 months ago
@Moragauth And if arguments on youtube are pointless I suggest you stop arguing with me
urdisturbing 9 months ago
@urdisturbing Re Koch, examine their political positions and stances rather than taking a rather broad ideological similarity to mean they agree on much at all. Re HK, public provision of services is not inand of itself corporatism. It is merely a mixed economy. Re property rights, no one "invented" them. Authors from Aristotle to Locke tried to justify them. And not all had "lots" of property. Which is a spurious argument anyway. Re wealth of Nations, it did not inaugurate capitalism...
Moragauth 9 months ago
@Moragauth The problem is government coercion AND capitalist coercion... To paraphrase Bakunin: freedom without socialism is privilege and gangsterism; socialism without freedom is slavery and tyranny. For an example of the former, see Singapore or Hong Kong; for and example of the latter, see China or N. korea.
mollyjeorgensen 9 months ago
@mollyjeorgensen What is "capitalist" coercion? How does HK or Singapore conform to gangsterism and/or privilege and how is capitalism to blame for this? Of course, the foregoing from Bakunin is pure assertion.
Moragauth 9 months ago
@Moragauth Gangsterism, for HK, is literal - Triads are the ones primarily in control of commerce and politics. For Singapore, it is more figurative - Singapore is a brutal fucking authoritarian state that, despite very free markets, has nothing resembling liberty or freedom. "Capitalist coersion" refers, in part, to the state's continued monopoly on violence (to underwrite the power of corporate interests), and in part to wage slavery as an exclusive vehicle for survival for most citizens.
mollyjeorgensen 9 months ago
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Ron Paul for President 2012!
a4finger 9 months ago
This guy is dangerous because he speaks the truth.
sjones8295 9 months ago
Ron Paul running for president. LMFAO. They day Ron Paul wins the presidency is the day I shave all the hairs off my ass and bleach my asshole.
ConfederacyFailure 9 months ago
The panel is confused! GET EM' RON PAUL!
cstaterams2 9 months ago
wait, I didn't hear anything involving the title of this video...
PhauxTheFox 9 months ago 2
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All the while Obama is still baseraping the Middle East and being a crooked fuck.
Pull out of the Middle East,
Slash Federal Powers,
Minimize the Government,
End the forever-lost war on drugs,
Save the Dollar,
Bear proudly the Constitution,
Protect your Rights.
Ron Paul 2012.
Shadowsolid 9 months ago
Paul is wrong on pakistan, they are the 6th largest populated country in the world. Even the Republic party would be frighten to go to war with them, we in the US only pick on defenseless little countries.
mathers3000 9 months ago
@mathers3000 I'm gonna respectfully disagree with you and this is only my opinion, but I don't think Pakistan is as organized (militarily) as the 5 other larger populations. There are a lot of tribal areas. They don't have the sheer firepower the U.S. does, and I don't believe their nuclear warheads are attached to any reliable I.C.B.M's that could reach the U.S. or even many of the U.S's E.U. allies. I don't see a purpose going into Pakistan for war unless we're working towards China or Iran.
timongarretson 9 months ago
It would be nice if Ron Paul is voted in President and weeds out the criminals in the Government and bring them and their deeds to account before the people of America ....
Operationjugular 9 months ago
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President Obama has protected Neoconservatives for years.
Will Obama protect Neoconservatives four more years?
Was the 9-11 operation good for Israel?
ryanshaunkelly 9 months ago
When will people grow the hell up...wake the hell up...and realize that they are turning their own children and grandchildren into livestock to be consumed by globalist banksters? Maobama has continued every one of Shrub's most egregious policies and has innovated even more abusive ones of his own. When will the sheeple stop dancing with stars and start using their heads? When will we stop blowing up people on the other side of the earth and turn our attention to protecting our own borders?
Stepper11 9 months ago
OMG look at that stooge'S face when he asks about conspiracy theories 7:45
DREwestcoast 9 months ago
Uh yea, and the winner is...Ron Paul !
jibbi4one 9 months ago
Are those....chemtrails behind Mr. Paul?.....my goodness...
RON PAUL 2012!!
jankowitts 9 months ago 14
@jankowitts Ha! no doubt.. half of those are chemtrails...
GunClingingPalin 9 months ago
CAPS LOCK FUCK YEAH
dubscheckem1 9 months ago
FACTS:
1.THE NAME CODE OF ASAMA BIN LADEN INSIDE THE CIA was TIM OSMAN.
2. HE WAS A USA ASSET.TRAINED BY US. The USA.
Gioxtream 9 months ago
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST TO SOMEONE TO DONATE A BULLET PROOF VEST FOR THIS GENTLEMAN.
Let's PROTECT THIS GUY FROM THE ELITES and GLOBALISTS!
Gioxtream 9 months ago
PURE HARD CORE TRUE FROM DR.PAUL. I AM SO AGREE WITH HIM IN EVERYTHING. UNFORTUNATELY.....I AM NOT AGREE WITH THE OTHER POLITICIANS DUE TO THIS FACT :
I BELIEVE IN AMERICA ( YEAH RIGHT)
YES..YES WE CAN ( REALLY?)
IS NOT WHAT YOU COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU.IS WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY (WHAT A LIP WORK)
THE REAL CHANGE HAS COME! ( ARE YOU SERIOUS?) WHAT CHANGE?
RON PAUL: LET's END THE FEDERAL RESERVE. NOW...THAT IS VERY SERIOUS CHANGE Among MANY MORE.
RON PAUL 2012.
Gioxtream 9 months ago
Conspiracies happen ALL the TIME, and EVERYONE KNOWS that! What is the big taboo about a conspiracy theory with these idiot presstitutes?!
The mainstream American society is a hedonistic debauchery, and it's frustrating to watch these disney land "news" medias put forth feel good, jackasses who refuse to report NEWS in place of real journalists for the public 's news consumption.
voiceofreason2u 9 months ago
RON PAUL 4 PRESIDENT!!!!
FROM ITALY !!!
ademar9988 9 months ago 29
@ademar9988 Buongiorno! Always love sensible euros!
Rensune 9 months ago
@ademar9988 Thank you from American my friend! We all can come together around liberty! Government systems have long divided people in various ways to take and hold control!
NCIcaucus 9 months ago
I'm sorry Ron Paul. I don't want my SS deductions to stop. Instead, I actually want a REFUND! That would be one more step in the extreme and I think it is what is owed. What? Everything would collapse? Where was the money even going then? Argh.... :-(
linagee 9 months ago
VOTE Ron Paul 2012!!! Save America and all Western Civilization!
ashtavideo 9 months ago
Ron Paul 2012? Screw that!
RON PAUL 2011!!!!
Hope the people sometime THIS YEAR stand up and get rid of the long joke that is supposedly called the "US government"
BirdFluJapan 9 months ago
Chemtrails in the background behind Ron Paul.
patriciaredstone 9 months ago
Every question has an underling theme - attack Ron Paul. But he uses their stupid questions to educate people - with a smile! RP 2012!
ThoughtCrime7 9 months ago
People have been trying to explain to me the difference between "Corporatism" and "Capitalism," and its hard to understand. I'm not aware of any point in history where capitalist institutions were separate from corporate ones.
urdisturbing 9 months ago