Dylan Avery, Pat Curley Debate, Pt. 2

[ScholarVisual]

The mediator sucks. Hes so bias. This is 2 vs 1. And they still lose.LOL

[MarkB1ngham]

Can we see an independent tonnage audit for the salvaged WTC twin towers steel? wouldn't a gravity alone collapse give a steel out EQUALS steel in figure? is there any precedent for steel not being completely salvaged from building structural failures?

[SvenTviking]

You get iron microspheres from welding and flame cutting steel. Jone's "evidence" is not evidence. Dylan Avery is going to end up in tears on one of these shows.

[SvenTviking]

@Lietuvispartizan I just watched a BBC dicumentry on 9/11 conspiricy theorys. The did spectrographic tests which proved Stephen Jones "Highly reactive particles" burned with less energy than paper, and seemed to be red oxide primer and aluminium basecoat exactly the same as is found painted on the Brooklyn bridge! Jones, what a fuckin' liar!

[Lietuvispartizan]

@SvenTviking Really? You should look a little bit closer. Presenting unfounded opinions from authorities with no evidence as facts is not healthy to you and your little duh'bunker friends. Guess what I can debunk the paint claim by only citing BBC. Listen what the narrator Caroline Catz says at

/watch?v=hiQkCfBBjno&feature=p­layer_embedded;t=50s

listen again and again. After that, open the paper by Harrit et al, on page 21 you will see an ironsphere, which wasn't present before the ignition. ?

[SvenTviking]

@Lietuvispartizan It was a BBC documentry that said that the reactive materials were paint. The red flakes certainly looked like red oxide undercoat, and I've seen and used plenty of it. I would believe the Thermite theorys more if someone had found either the large crucibles needed to react the thermite in, or the major byproduct, large rivulets of hardened iron, like candle wax on the structural steel work.

[SvenTviking]

@Lietuvispartizan There is not a lot of explanation in how thermite cuts steel. Thermite reacts and produces large quantaties of white hot liquid iron which melts through the steel work. It requires huge amounts of reactants and produces large amounts of liquid iron. It needs huge ceramic and steel crucibles to react in and some way (no one has really shown how) of directing this iron flow to cut awkward angles and shapes.

[SvenTviking]

@Lietuvispartizan With all this white hot iron flowing, why did the towers not light up like a fireworks display when the thermite started cutting? It HAS to flow freely otherwise it would cool and block the whole process. Where were the crucibles? Why use thermite when shaped charges would do the job so much better? According to the theorys, explosives were used, so why use thermite as well? Yhese are logical questions which truthers never answer.

[SvenTviking]

@Lietuvispartizan The fact is, all the thermite talk came from one flow of liquid metal, which came from the corner of the south tower and the floor were all the airliner wreckage ended up, and it started pouring out as that flloor was seen and filmed sagging in this corner. So there is a reasonable theory that this metal flow was aircraft aluminium. Thermite was a product of Dylan "make it up as you go along" Avery's imagination.

[Lietuvispartizan]

@SvenTviking BTW, the professor who made the claim about the energy density,appears isn't so neutral about 911. He was involved in Popular Mechanics debunking magazine in 2006. Also he made at that time a stunning proclamation about a natural occurring thermite reaction. According to Richard Fruehan: "The thermite reaction could had occurred with aluminum metal and any oxide that happens to be near it." Apparently BBC wanted to hear an 'unbiased' opinion about the red/gray chips from him.

[joub6708]

this guy (Dylan) is in fact a butt hole.

my main point: if george bush and his clan had these big world take over plans then what's he doing right now to further that agenda? he's at his ranch in Texas walking his horses in circles or whatever it is that he isn't in too. he was elected to do a job thats all he's doing and in a few years him and his father will die off like the rest of us. whats the point of him doing all this unless he was going to be some power figure for the rest of his life

[TeeTownSounds]

I'm sorry, is Dylan debating Rob or Pat? 

[celebritysketches]

@TeeTownSounds He just ruins the credibility of the debate.

[zenoist2]

Its obvious the interviewer is biased.

The only thing truthers really want is a new investigation because the official one has too many holes and unanswered questions.

What is the incredible problem with that?

It is a murder case dont forget.

If theres any reasonable doubt , never mind huge gaps, implausible explanations and unanswered questions in a normal murder case its reinvestigated,ask any policeman.

They dont say fire did it, so we wont bother looking for anything else.

[BlandBoy]

I notice how the interviewer tries to use the claims of One Lunatic from the middle-east, possibly under duress, to discredit the claims of the interviewee.

[primrod]

It is only her claim that she knew nothing about it. She also claimed she cannot judge the paper because the subject matter is outside her field of experience. Yet she has a thorough background in physical chemistry/chemical physics, as well as with explosives. She also has extensive connections to the defense industry. To say all Bentham journals are not peerreviewed because one journal at one time had a problem with the peer review process is merely a fallacious guilt by association argument.

[bob911truth]

Zero: an investigation into 9/11 part 5 check this out on you tube

[primrod]

Hey "debunkers", if you ever come up with any primer paint chips that we can burn which yields microspheres, would you be kind enough to PM me? Thanks. The Harrit team is emphatic that no spheres were present in the chips before igniting them.

[Edbrad]

@primrod

When Jones and Harrit submit their paper to a proper journal and provide their samples for independent study wake me up.

[primrod]

What makes you think that the paper in question was not published in a "proper journal"? Or that it was not studied independently? Tell me Edbrad, do you hold NIST to the same standards? If not, maybe you prefer to stay asleep and not deal with the troubling reality this peer- reviewed document brings forth.

[Edbrad]

@primrod

It was published in Bentham that has had numerous embarrassing incidents of accepting fake papers (probably because you pay to publish), in the Niels/Harrit case the editor quit because it was published without her knowing about it. If you aren't aware of how journals work you wont know how serious that is.

[primrod]

Journals are profit making ventures, publishing is not free, either the reader pays, or the writer. If you are concerned about it being published in a pay-to-publish journal, guess what: Almost 50% of all journals offer this option.

Btw, Bentham has published over 200 scientific journals.

You commit the hasty generalization logical fallacy.

[Edbrad]

@primrod

DIdnt think you knew what you were talking about.

[sucker4lush]

Umm... No steel was recovered from WTC7?

No official investigative agency examined the dust? Not even for a whitewash? We have to rely on Steven Jones' samples with the dubious chain of custody?

[edpgroup]

Man, Dylan really gets schooled here

[Obelisk2290]

TKO by now on Dylan

[Physman2011]

Amazing!! Dylan Avery demonstrates the long held truther tactic of coming to a conclusion and then seeking out evidence to verify that conclusion.

"I know that Steven Jones .....the person that's come the closest to discovering any actual evidence of explosives inside the world trade center." -Dylan Avery

[sucker4lush]

How amazed were you at the parade of people on TV, within 30 minutes of the attacks, telling us who did it? Over and over and over...

[Physman2011]

Not at all...why would I be? Al-Qaeda has been responsible for numerous terrorist attacks against the United States in the past . Here are a few:

August 7th 1998 attacks on Nairobi and Dar es Salaam US embassies, June 14th 2002 Karachi attack on consulate, Oct. 12th 2000 attack on the USS Cole and of course the first WTC attack in 1993 carried out by Ramzi Yousef , whose uncle is a senior al-Qaeda member.

But I guess these were all staged by the US government as well.

[Physman2011]

To sucker4lush:

No I had not heard of al-Qaeda before 9/11 ....does that mean they didn't exist? I've pointed out the many attacks carried out by al-Qaeda prior to 9/11 and one since 9/11. Why is it that whenever I try to engage in a truther in debate they resort to name calling? Just like Dylan calling Pat a liar when he can't refute a valid point.