Operation: Crazy Operation 32 Wood stove!

[jvenancio30]

i am a huge fan of all the projects you got, but i thinck that i have found the ideal for you...

go to this site and then start working!!

Frog from Portugal!!!

[snoplopolist]

Millk of magnesia I believe. I insulated a garage with straw and cardboard. I was researching simple flame retardent materials, and Milk of magnesia was one. Epsom salt maybe. Worth checking out. Never did practical research on it.

[JMEMantzel]

ohh... milk of magnesia. Cool. I'll ave to look into that. Its sort of funny that magnesium burns like crazy, you milk is, and ..... oh nevermind. :-P

[100yearoldhouse]

Its going to cost you but you ever thought of Trying out using a 4-6 solar panels and a 500W-750W electric heater within 2 hrs should heat the structure enough to habitable temp and with a good 10-12 battery bank would be great plus during the day when you dont need it the batteries are charging and you have a good source of power for lights and a radio or mp3 player

[Matseuo]

So, we have the thought police here?

Only happy unicorn thoughts allowed?

Don't say anything he doesn't like, he can't take it so he will delete your comment.

Complements ONLY allowed. Anyone who tells the truth is "negative".

[dirtTdude]

whoa... what is your problim?

[Matseuo]

Just what I said. I don't like having my comments deleted especially when they are very mild. Look how many have been deleted by him.

That's what my problem is.

[JMEMantzel]

I don't delete videos. Sometimes after I respond to commments, they disappear. That isn't my fault. Its youtubes crappy programming. I've probably deleted 5 comments in the last 2 years. ...and they were really useless ones.

That said, it is my perogative. If I want to have a positive message, and positive conversations on my pages, it is totally within my rights to delete anything I want. ...although.... even if I wanted to, I wouldn't take the time to do so.

[FREENAMEFTW]

You talk about chemicals to prevent fire maybe you could make some sprinkler system instead?

And besides cant you make a nice tripod for the camera so that you can get some better shots on when you are working? ^^

[bmxdevilpro88]

why not drill out a bigger hole and put concrete around the pipe it should stay cool enough

[D8P]

Man, some of your comments are real dumb. Keep up the good work JME !

[JMEMantzel]

Thanks! ....and I appologize for any dumb comments. I try to discourage that whenever possible. :-)

[bogomir67]

About that flame retarding paint thing... You know, for fire there needs to be 3 things: heat, fuel and oxidizer. Your paint-on-styrofoam concept will delay the heat a bit, but in styrofoam there is enough air traped to ignite anyway.

Cover the styro boxes with like thin plywood. On this surface apply something that won't burn and dispense heat. like glass fiber wallpaper (like used in public buildings). Maybe you could use thin aluminium (used printing templates from a print shop)...

[JMEMantzel]

hmmm... print shop. Thanks for the tip. If I cover the walls, though, I can just use borax soaked cardboard. :-)

[redkabbage]

BTW, got my Giant Robot shirt today! Thanks Jamie. Thinking up something to mailya as a thankya. Looks great! Awesome design. Youtube doesn't do it justice. Much love my brotha. Keep up the good works!

[JMEMantzel]

Aw, thats great! I'm glad you like it! :-)

OH OH! ...and I get so psyched when I get mail!

[redkabbage]

DIY fireproofer recipe

Mix a solution of nine ounces Borax and four ounces boric acid in one gallon of water (70ml Borax and 30ml boric acid in 1 liter of water). Take down the foam, saturate in solution, squeeze out excess then let it dry. If you cant take down the foam, wetting with a spray bottle might be alternative?

boric acid is sold as an ant and roach killer (so keeps pesties away).

Wear rubber gloves. There are no fumes, but be careful not to inhale mist if you try the spray idea

[JMEMantzel]

thanks. I better copy this comment.... good info.

[nonsquid]

Maybe you could make a fire suppression spray system (freeze proof, of course) using an insulated water tank on the cliff above. The delivery system would be air filled until needed then a ball valve(s) opens and water sprays down the zone that needs water.

[D8P]

i was thinking, what kind of stove is he going to put in ? An old stove he found somewhere? One he already had? No. He's building it ! What do you think !

[LieutenantClone]

Jamie is excited for some "back door" action!

[futsalfred2]

*blushes*

[kukelz]

Maybe you could buy some fireproof blankets.. or fabric from a second hand site or something.. Put up all the lids and then staple or glue it on as a layer?

[MasterDrow42]

How about a brick wall around the stove area? The ceramic should prevent the heat from catching the foam on fire.

[odinata]

Jamie rocks! "Stuff it into the crack", dude. You are a genuinely beautiful person, dude. I love this stuff!

[JMEMantzel]

thank you very much.  :-P

[odinata]

Have you read "Into the Wild" ? You kinda remind me of that guy. Be careful, dude.

[odinata]

The styrofaom blocks make for good audio quality! Did you notice that?

[Brakeheart]

way to go Jaimie! Bend it over! :D

[uokel]

you should make a forge ^^ and a brick oven hehe

[idahodad1]

Back door, Excellent Idea!

[zygier916]

that stove scares me you would get some sort of ventilation or like the previous bloke said an external in to supply the air to the stove. btw as a kid growing up we had to coat our stoves with a spray paint very similar to rustolem or w/e itz called pretty sure thats flame retardant though you didnt specify what you where going to use it for the whole building? or just the stove area.

[YoinkinatorX]

Sweet!

Whatever happened to the tower :( Oh well, the banana building looks more sophisticated and functional.

[GeeKayKayGee]

Jammie have you provided a combustion air source for your wood stove? It would be a shame to loose much of the heat you generate by sucking heated air from the building into the stove for combustion. 

Considering the volume and air tightness of the building I'd guess you probably could get by without a combustion air supply but it seems probable that such a supply would be beneficial.

[hobbexp]

i like Wood stoves, good job 5/5

[togaida]

Oh yeah, stainless steel, of all grades (304 and up) is very hard to work with, I have a hard time machining it with the machines I have in my shop, your best best is cobalt or TiN coated drill bits, center punch (always) the area you want to drill and use a cutting oil liberally in the punched mark (never drill without a punched mark and oil, don't use WD-40 when machining stainless, fire will start),

[deweys]

You have a time machine in your shop? Can I go see my grandma?

[togaida]

Why not weld the pieces of the stove together, depending on the type of welder you (what type of welder ydo you actually have, anyway?) they do have stainless steel material for welding, heck they have a type of materials for welding ferrous metals, you should know you welded aluminum...either way, nice job everything looks cool, be careful with flame and foam walls.

[togaida]

why not use cement boards over, around and on the bottom of where you are going to put the stove much like, a fire place hearth, or skim coat cement on your wall of foam much like thy do with stucco coating or a combination of cement board and skim coating (with cement)? If possible, maybe even fiber glass cloth(s), sheets also? Hey we want you safe not only for the robot.

[ShawnCFarm]

1 you could use used roofing tin along the bottum of the wall side ways to keep it fire proof. 2 will there be any gases comming off of that stove being stainless steel when it gets realy hot. Just a thought , can't wait to see it done.

[LudicrousTachyon]

Your entire building is like a giant oven waiting to happen. Nice!

[Romashk]

Before you increase the temperature, you should finish those boxes in the back... I've got a bad feeling about 'em. :(

[TheMastahC]

Should say the date when you start filming, so we get a better sense of the time.

[Monkeykid5228]

my friend is a physics teacher in ku, and has made some stuff that once touched by air, will bust in flames! put that stuff in some water balloons... kaboom!!! muahahaha!

[trevdak]

Why not build a radiator on the inside stove pipe? It will cool down the pipe, transfer more heat to the air, and hopefully prevent the styrofoam from catching fire.

If you wanted to get really crafty, you could route your water pipe along the radiator to get yourself some nice hot water so you don't have to shover off the reflector every day.

[GeeKayKayGee]

cooling the flue gasses leads to condensation in the flue pipe which may lead to perforation and allow gasses to escape into the living space. Further cooling the flue gasses may lead to increased build up of creosote and potentially a chimney fire. The engineering, construction and installation of combustion appliances should not be undertaken without full understanding of the combustion appliance as a working interacting interdependent  system.

[pashabulker1]

although your knowledge is obvious on this topic.......you sound like the sort of person we are all trying to escape from!!!!!

[GeeKayKayGee]

Unhappily I do sound too often here, like Debbie Downer, always with the negative comments. In my defense I do appreciate and admire what Jamie is doing and hope that what I offer is critique based on some experience. As much as I am often frustrated by codes and standards, bureaucracy and officialdom, I am also cognizant of the hazardous conditions created when even those minimum standards are poorly applied and the costs to pocket, health and life that often result.

[GeeKayKayGee]

CO poisoning and death are still all too common even with structures that have passed code inspections. In my own work I know that I make mistakes and would do differently this or that aspect of a project. I can only wish I'd thought of or had the benefit of external input to give me pause *before* I expended time, effort & resources. It would be a disservice to keep silent when a word just might save time, energy or who knows, maybe even a life.

[dirtTdude]

codes are for people with building permits....

[GeeKayKayGee]

So are you saying then that the laws of physics are suspended for those who build without a permit? No permit means you can triple the span on a 2x10? Are you saying that you don't need traps in the dwv system if you build without permit?

Codes are often a response to a failure that has resulted in death. Building without permit means one should be even more careful in engineering, design, detail and execution.

[dirtTdude]

no, i'm saying you're an ass

[JMEMantzel]

The laws of physics do not change to comply with building codes. I've been living in the dome.... with a stove I built for 6 years. The stove in the banana building is actually much better.

Don't worry. People have been telling me I'm going to kill myself and be miserable all my life. I've learned to just tune it out.

[GeeKayKayGee]

Information, engineering and planning often save one from repeating the mistakes made by others before you. Codes are simply that, information and engineering. You can benefit from that collected knowledge or you can work hard to patch up your mistakes and live with the collapsing results.

[breezebro]

Sometimes codes are common sense, other times they are nothing but bureaucratic nonsense that any fool can plainly see makes no difference in a given situation. We all know what codes are for and that it's not up to code so what useful information are you supplying?

[trevdak]

Hmmm a few things:

1. Won't snow, rain, wind, and the banana building cool the pipe on the outside? That would also lead to a buildup

2. Do you think there's a potential danger of leaves/sticks falling in such a way that they touch the pipe and catch fire?

[GeeKayKayGee]

1. My *guess* is Maybe. I don't know enough about this subject to have a definitive opinion. With a hot enough fire, the flue gasses should keep build up low but with a single wall, uninsulated, exposed to the elements chimney... I just don't know. Regular inspection would seem a wise precaution.

2. My *guess* is that No, combustion due to such contact seems improbable. I doubt there would be enough heat for ignition of such external debris.

[dirtTdude]

havent you ever seen a wood stove?

[GeeKayKayGee]

Haven't you ever had to notify the next of kin?

[dirtTdude]

you've got serious issues, might want to get some counceling for that.

[GeeKayKayGee]

I beg your pardon? I have issues for which I need counseling?

Why do you believe that my concern for safety is bad? Do you deny that every year lives and property are lost to due to fire and CO poisoning caused by the improper installation of combustion appliances? Do you deny that someone has to tell the sad news to the next of kin?

I'd like to know your answers but it seems inappropriate to continue this subject here. Please PM me if you think we can converse for our mutual benefit.

[dirtTdude]

safety good, obnoxious behavior bad.... knock it off.

[breezebro]

So how many next of kin have you had to notify about relatives that died of poisoning from a wood stove?

[smartpartzzkidd]

try mixing in baking soda to the paint

[thehilitereel]

You could try papercrete, its pretty much flame resistant even to a blow torch. Not sure how it would stick to the styrofoam though

[withemer]

THe pipe needs to be a least  6 inches or smoke will not vent and fill banana.

[dirtTdude]

wierd, i have 4" stove pipe in my cabin and its never been smoky

[withemer]

Place 3 coats or clear on it.

[dirtTdude]

i had an idea that may be worthy of consideration. Think Cob - What we could do is make or buy 1 million toothpicks, stick em in the styrofoam, oh say, every couple of inches apart or so, you know... Then cob it in. dirt free, clay free, straw free, water free, I think cob is well within your budget- it is very fire proof and meets your cost requirements. Only really have to do the 1st 8 or 10 feet, I suppose with that in mind you could just use OSB if you are tired

[vintageludwig]

Jaimie, good work on the wood stove. I have cooked in a few wood-fired pizza ovens in my day, and the only thing they have in common is a stone floor. I suggest you try to find several stone tiles that are nominal for cooking and cover your stove floor to make sure the fire doesn't over heat treat the stainless steel. and try to find a high heat thermometer. 1000 degrees should suffice, since you probably won't go above 800 degrees..

[vintageludwig]

and yes, Stainless Steel is notorious for breaking drill bits. you deff. have to go slow. keep your eyes out for Carbide bits. you can find carbide center drills that can make a nice hole in hard sheet metals for bolts and save a little time too.

[Norritt42]

Nice work. Maybe the best thing is not to paint the whole thing with a fire retardant because if it starts to burn it will still be melt away. Instead use some kind of fire proof/resistant blankets or cloth and just glue it on to the Styrofoam. Just an idea. Try burn some Styrofoam and see what happens in educational purpose. Also try to put some of it out to learn how to.

[admarshall4]

2 foot diameter pancakes :D YUMMY - keep positive dude.

[nauravalokki]

And you dont have to cover all styrofoam, just sidewalls. You can cut some doors for shelves in it too. Or how about some other sheets?

[breezebro]

You could glue a bunch of styrofoam containers together to make movable partitions so you don't have to heat the whole banana building.

Until you solve the fireproofing problem, get at least a small fire extinguisher. BTW, if you've never had to use one, take a breath and hold it before you pull the trigger or you'll be sucking in powder.

[paperjack93]

I'm pretty sure styrofoam hardly ignites, mostly melts.

[dirtTdude]

go outside with a styrofoam box and your LP tourch and get back to me

[texas5020]

I think you should mount 2 bars in an angle from the pipe to the roof on the outside so the wind and snow dont bend it. I guess you have real winters there like we do. You´re doin a great job Jamie!

[breezebro]

You must live in the panhandle to get winters like his. Tornado alley?

[texas5020]

No, I´m living in Sweden and we have realy bad winters here sometimes with lots of snow and wind. And you don´t want to go out to fix a broken pipe in that weather...

[breezebro]

Sorry, I should have looked at your profile before I asked. I just assumed you are from Texas. We don't have many places with winters as bad as yours.

[dave1234fuknab]

thats going to be one big awesome wood stove :D

[DeoMachina]

Today I make Jamie noises when working. I've been watching for too long!

[1N4148]

Yep, stainless is a pain to drill... Keep it cutting, as soon as the drill bit just skids in the hole it gets dull. As you found out, low speed, high feed.

But why not get a roll of stainless steel wire for your welder and just weld the thing together?

[breezebro]

1N4148, or should we call you Diode Dude?

Low speed, high feed is right, I hate drilling stainless. It seems to help to drill a small pilot hole first.

Don't you need a different wire and gas in a MIG for welding stainless? Or is there a flux wire for it?

[F0gstridEr]

Goood work! Im happy to se that your in better mode then last time!!!!!

All possitive power to you!! :)

Btw, i recomend some good music to listen to this fall.. Pinkfloyd "Darkside of the moon & Infected muschroom"

Peace/FogstridEr

[MyHairyChin]

sounds like you may be getting a cold?

[edjorg]

Fourth comment! (I take my thrills where I can get them)

[urchin34]

Love the back door. is it gonna swing up kind of like how you had them sitting?

[mjlynch712]

Lookin well

[kattejuice]

awesome!