thats jeus body he died for OUR SINS"its not the womens choice its gods choice women need god to decicide but you dont' have the memo get the memo you dont see the world tally us abotion save more than you think have hope and focus on more urgent call from god than abortion like thousand are starving and with out abortion wemen will throw babys in trash cans seen it befor now thats murder abortion is the price we must pay to save us from destruction of the world
See, the funny thing is...what if Christ really didn't say those exact 4 words? Especially because it would have been much different in Hebrew. Maybe even a different number of words. What if Christ's words were recorded slightly different than how he actually phrased it? That would make this entire speech pointless. This video focuses too heavily on details that could have easily been misinterpreted.
We learn how to create a child. Two people choose to do the act of creating a child. They create a child, components of each of them, alive of them, half of the living information of each come togeather to make one, in the living egg. This life now has the information and the intelligence to make itself a human being. Alive, it has the intelligence to create organs, bones, blood, and how to Complete itself, and it is this intelligence that shows its desire and will to live. All know its wrong.
@jesusisbling You pro-choicer's think this is a matter of moral reletavism. This isn't like saying using cocaine is immoral for me but not for you. That's moral reletavism. Taking someone's life is not an issue of this matter. Some things, like taking away life without due process of law is illegaly wherever you go in the world. You pro-choicer's have many similar argument to former slave owners in the South. AKA my propery my choice(slaves)/my body my choice (fetus)!
Millions of women have abortions every year and they don't find anything wrong with it. Every democratic nation has some form of legal abortion. If you don't believe in moral relativism then, I guess you have to join the MAJORITY of humans that are pro-choice.
@gunzrkewl says: You pro-choicer's have many similar argument to former slave owners in the South. AKA my propery my choice(slaves)/my body my choice (fetus)!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Similar? They were exactly the same. Slaves were not considered human being because they didnt have rights, a fetus isnt considered a human being for the same reason. legally, it WAS my slave my choice, until slaves got rights & that ended, and its still my fetus my right because it has no rights.
If Jesus forgives why can't you. Every one of us will be on judgement day to account for our own sins. You wont pay for mine I wont pay for yours. Who are you to judge what other people do with their lifes. Remember where is that immaculate person who will cast the fist stone. Remember not even ONE out of this world is free of sin.
This is retarded. Have you considered that maybe most people say "this is my body" because there's not many more ways to claim ownership of your body without those words? "This is my torso" sounds ridiculous. By your reasoning, anyone who says this is misconstruing the word of Christ. "Im gonna get a tattoo because this is my body!" or "I can smoke pot! This is my body" or "I don't want your new world order implants! This is my body!" or 'Dont crucify me!!! This is my body!!!"
When Christ said to eat His body and drink His blood He was speaking figuratively, not literally. The Book of John also says "unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Does this mean we need to be pushed out of our mother's womb again? Of course not. That would be impossible. Christ offered His body and blood on the cross for us. He wants us to accept His body and blood sacrifice for the atonement of our sins.
Christ is not present in the eucharist. He died once and for all 2000 years ago.....Hebrews....."So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. . . ."
@marvincling So do I- which is why I support a woman's choice and know better than to judge a woman or to punish both her and a potential child with an entire lifetime of regret and drastically lowered success-rates just to try to prove a point that I'm better than her for not being a slut.
"Everybody knows there is something wrong with women who get abortions. "
everybody knows there is something wrong with people who butt into the business of other people/people who judge others decisions when they know nothing about the situation/people who feel the government should be in control of theirs or someone ese's body.
God also used to support slavery and honor, witch, and heretic-killing until he realized he made a mistake and sent jesus so we could repent for our sins instead of getting executed for them and refute his faith.
Then why were there so many rule and requirements as how to treat slaves, how to seel a slave,h ow to free one, when to and when NOT to beat them, how a slave should be happy to serve his master, ect?
Can you really say it was just a 'thing of the times'? And if so, why does adultery or murder not count, seeing as how we can benefit those and use them with regulations, too?
God DID change his mind, or is the old testament not only NOT APPLICABLE, but also fiction?
Do you not understand the setting? These people weren't slaves... they were indentured servents, i.e. people who are in servitude temporarily because of debt or crime. There are rules on how they are to be treated as they are still citizens and not property...
Lol. Yes, and all them house niggers we had back in the day were just indentured servants, who weren't obligated by beating or death to do what they were told, either, were they?
I've done my research- and if they are people, why is there instruction on how to beat them?
Last I heard you don;t beat just a regular employee- you beat slaves.
Africans were not indentured servants. They were kidnapped and brought to foreign countries to work against their wills. Indentured servants were indentured legally and not against their will. (unless they were criminals.) Indentured servants were under an employment contract and there were guidelines for their treatment. They were still citizens and were to be treated humanely. You have not done your research...
Exodus 21:7-11 NLT "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, yadda-yadda.."
Disgusting word from a sick manmade book.
You want more? I have a whopper, you inane pig.
How about holding a slave's family hostage so that he has to choose to REMAIN a permanent slave to keep them?
If you buy a hebrew slave, he is only to serve six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he owes you nothing. If he was single when he became your slave AND THEN MARRIED AFTER, ONLY HE WILL GO FREE. But if he was married before, his wife will go with him. IF HIS WIFE GAVE HIM SONS AND DAUGHTERS THEY WILL REMAIN UNLESS HE PLAINLY DECLARES HE LOVES HIS MASTER, WIFE, AND CHILDREN... AND THEN HE MUST PIERCE HIS EAR... BEFORE GOD, REMAIN A SLAVE FOREVER..."
Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT "However, you may purchase /SLAVES/ yadda-yadda.. treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as permanent inheritance."
EXODUS 21:20-21 NAB- "WHEN A MAN STRIKES HIS MALE OR FEMALE SLAVE WITH A ROD SO HARD THAT TE SLAVE DUES UNDER HIS HAND, HE IT TO BE PUNISHED. IF HOWEVER, THE SLAVE SURVIVES FOR A DAY OR TWO, HE IS NOT TO BE PUNISHED SINCE THE SLAVE IS HIS OWN PROPERTY."
YOU NEED TO READ YOUR HOLY BOOK AND SEE HOW /HOLY/ IT IS.
SLAVERY IS JUST ////ONE//// OF THE THINS WRONG WITH THE WORD OF YOUR SUPPOSED GOD, BUT IS ALL THE MORE REASON FOR YOU FAITH TO STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM MY LIFE, RIGHTS, LAWS, AND BODY AS POSSIBLE.
Don't you dare tell me I have not studied, that I don't know what i'm talking about.
It was YOUR god and YOUR people who killed witches and executed their CHILDREN for the good of man.
It is GOD that is poison and slander, lies by hateful men.
I have read the scriptures through five times now... shut up.
You have not studied. Your last post wasn't even a valid argument. You are merely slandering my religion. The scriptures repeatedly preach the principles of liberty, justice, and morality. The main principle of the bible is the two greatest commandments, love God, and love your neighbor. You haven't read our scriptures and you are merely ranting. Have a nice day...
I don't have to slander your faith- history had well-documented witch trials throughout.. well.. history.
WE see plainly what the word of god does when it's in control- look at the terorrists in iraq!
Yes, you leave when you see somrthing you don;t like that you cannot refute- I'm willing to prove my point, can't yu prove yours in any way other than saying I'm a liar?
Slavery is justice, is moral.. is LIBERTY? Say that to a black person, lol.
I misunderstood as you did- you said you read the scriptures, I thought you meant the ones I just posted.
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But yeah, the bible paints a lot of historically-proven WRONGS out to be moral, right, or justified.
As a witch I believe birth, pregnnacy, fertility is so sacred.. but it should never be a curse, a punishment, or something that personally damages you.. taking away abortion does just that.
And using the word of god helps nothing- god has had so much influence in war and hate..
But never intended as a punishment. A pregnancy is blessing, as is fertility.. but it should never be used a punishment, it should never harm or distress a woman..
My personal opinion is that if it truly hurts the woman abortion is right in self-defense.. which was the situation I was personally in before I ever became a witch.
Survival and health are defined(by those intelligently) as much more than physical existence.
Wait, you say that life is sacred. But you are also saying that if the child's life brings discomfort to the woman, then she can kill the child. By your religion, which is more sacred? The child's right to live or the woman's comfort.
It all depends- is the woman capable and willing to suffer the discomfort of pregnancy for that life, and is it compltely welcome?
Or is it an unplanned, unwanted, drastically imposing burden that will do as much harm to that womans' livelihood as, say, a rape might?
Is the child fully conscious and capable of surviving on it's own, pondering things, truly living, or is it unthinking, undeveloped, and fully dependent upon another for survival?
Sacrificing a fully viable life for another who is not even aware and is nothing but an imposing, damaging BURDEN on another is NOT moral at all. I could never support that happening to another person- it ALMOST happened to me and I was ready to kill
myself to prevent it.
I was there, I felt that pain, that fear, I WA in a lose/lose situation.. that is not sacred, that is hell.
It is not sacrifice of one life for another. Abortion is not necessary as the child does not threaten the parent's life due to advance medical technologies.
Would medical technologies prevent me from getting abused in a poor shithole house by my father, or make it easier for me to both raise an unwanted child at 14 AND care for a crippled, mentally-ill mother throughout, AND go to school? Would medical science prevent me from getting thrown to the state wolves at 14 if I adopted my child out and got thrown out by my father for 'throwing away family to strangers?
Would it prevent me OR the baby from abused neglected, by state wolves?
Rape justifies murder beucase even though angry sex doesn't kill, it damages the woman enough to warrant murder as an act of SURVIVAL-
the terms concerning abortion are VERY similar, especially in our society here in america.
I have to leave for the night, but please- do some research on child abuse in state wards, foster homes, and the UNREPORTED crime estimations.. and tell me what;'s really so much better- taking one unthinking life, or screwing over two fully-independent ones for life?
How is the murder of the child justified. The woman would survive without killing her baby by going to the hospital. How is the child threatening her life. Just because something bad happened to you doesn't justify killing an innocent person! -.-'
I as threatened with homelessness or raising a child in a poor, abusive household without a father at 14.. in a home where I had, even at the age of 9, been hit in the face with a leather belt AND buckle by my father, ect..
I told you what happens in group homes/foster home-s- abuse, neglect, ect-- do you know that statistics of how many children in foster care/group homes get educations, paying jobs, how many of them end up on welfare/in prison?
Yeah? So what? I am sorry that you were abused as a child but whether you were abused or not has nothing to do with the right of a child to live. A woman's emotions are irrelevent when faced with the life of a child as life is more important than emotion...
Suicide is not a good option, but to a lot of people it is a viable option, and often the 'best' if you face reality.
How long would you like to liv,e honestly, being abused by family, and watching your LOVED INFANT abused and neglected, and watch not only yourself BUT another suffer?
How happy would you be knowing(rather NEVER knowing) what became of your child, and being unable to, as you are underage and thrown into a snake pit called 'child services'?
Your argument is flawed as you feel that the abortion is necessary for the woman's survival. I can assure you that it is not. She can survive without killing an innocent party. Your argument is crushed beneath my feet.
Define health.. define survival.. is it merely the survival of flesh, or does surival encompass the entire livlihood of the woman?
I'm not talking about not having enough cash to buy those pretty shoe,s I'm talking about being crushed emotionally, financially, completely enough to destroy a life, most likely TWO if you count forcing her to carry that child to fruition.
Odds only count AGAINST both the mother AND the child in an unwanted, unfit pregnancy.
You seem to think that everyone who needs help can just ask and receive.. I NEVER FUCKING RECIEVED.
NEITHER DOES EVERYONE ELSE.
You only want to see the GOOD stories about unplanned children, and see the success stories.. I lived through a brutal hell, and mine WAS a success, too- just of the other kind.
Be realistic- destroying one, if not TWO souls, or sacrificing one for the better, period? THAT WAS MY LIFE.
You see no problem with killing innocent children for the comfort of the mother? You know what, I don't care whether you were abused during childhood or not but that is disgusting.
And you twist it all as if to say I was merely missing out n bing able to fit into a pair of jeans or something so simple as 'comfort'...
THAT is the disgusting thing- you can't see the forest for the trees.. rather, you want to think quantity over quality, even at the long-lived personal expense of TWO people, one of them being the person you're most trying to save.
I'm sorry that my life circumstances/choices weren't up to with your pretty ideals, but I could never deliver a child like that!
If I got pregnant again right here, right now, chances are I would NOT abort, but merely pursue a personal, careful adoption... and not out of guilt or fear or pressure, but because I would able to do that much atleast with success, support, and SAFETY- I could have the time and ability to personally select an adoption candidate from the get-go to ensure my CHILDS life, and I could without threat of abuse or homelessness or even the loss of my job, pursue medical care and preparation.. -c
c-BUT IF I WAS STILL IN THE HELL I WAS WHEN I GOT PREGNANT THE FIRST TIME, I WOULD, AGAIN, ABORT.
I see no point in prolonging suffering not only for myself but for my child who would most likely end up mentally damaged from it, even physically abused, I see that as more cruel all the way around, not moral, kind, or good
'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'. And my intentions are not good or evil- they are common sense.
If you want to do something to prevent abortion, then go as far as you can trying to better the circumstances of child services, adopt children, provide women who get pregnant with MORE support and protection, speak for their rights and don't condemn people who have accidental pregnancies- condemn the people who attack and judge them for it!
Do everything you can to prevent what happened to ME from happening again. Fight for 100% effect BC, not just risky BC.
You are saying that the woman's suffering is justification to kill the child. Is it better to end one life to make another more bearable? I understand that you or any1 else might be suffering extremely. But human suffering is no excuse for murder.
There are many murderers who were abused and who lived horrible lives. But that doesn't justify what they did to people. Simply because you were abused doesn't mean that you can take it out on another person.
Look at ALL of the circumstnaces- I'm not talking about killing someone on the street, or a cheating spouse or a disbodient kid or even a competitive employee at work.. I'm talking about an unthinking, unfeeling person that is physically COMPLETELY dependent on only ONE person for an extended period of time.
The killing of this person to save the livelihood of the mother IF she deems it necessary Is better than FORCING BOTH to be abused or suffer, yes.
You are missing the point. If you had sex and had a baby, it is your DUTY to preserve the life of that baby; no matter whether the baby is unconscious or not! The comfort of the mother will be sacrificed, but you know what, that is the price of having sex, you get a baby. Why do you think that you can have sex and expect not to get a baby?
Why does rape, porn, prostitution, and birth control exist?
Because sex is a LOT more than making children, and that risk is not enough to control how or why a woman lives out her sex life.
Ask any doctor if sexual readiness is the same as child/birth readiness, and see how eloquently they explain the differences between both the physical AND emotional requirements for either act.
Because of birth control and because I'm much more than JUST a walking womb.
Sex has one purpose, to have children. There is no other purpose.
Any biologist can tell you that sex is a trait specifically evolved or designed to reproduce. That is why the sex organs are considered part of the reproductive system...
Sex has one purpose, to have children. There is no other purpose.
We don't have sex to make babies every time, and like I said before, the use of birth control pretty much negates that argument.
You want to think only married, perfect people wil ever have sex, make babies, ect.. and that we all have to live by your standards of life, readiness, and preparation, but we don't.
Sex has been since the dawn of time a pastime, an act of love, a tool, a poison, so many things.
Abortion has always been around,t he ONLY difference now is it being legal and SAFE. -c
The fact that you use birth control doesn't negate my argument that pleasure isn't more important then life! Simply because you try your hardest not to have babies from sex doesn't make you not have babies. When birth control fails, you have no right to act selfish and kill the baby to preserve your well being...
I know what society says. Just because society says something doesn't mean that is true... I AM A REBEL FROM SOCIETY!!!
You said, "Who cares how many MORE lives I screw up, as long as I save one? Who cares if that life I saved end up in hell, just as long as it's alive?"
This displays your EXTREME selfishness. This is very misguided.
#1 You don't want to go to hell.
#2 So you would screw up lives so that your life can be happy? Wow, you seem rather similar to a mass killer!
I have a very good life. And I don't regret it one bit. I get paid to nurse the mentally and physically handicapped and elderly, I get paid very well for it, I'm pretty, happy, socially welcomed, single and not looking, healthy, emotionally stable, and pretty much successful.. all that and on top of an abortion!
How incredible.
I donate to my local church though I'm not christian, because they do charities, I donate to my animal shelter, my clients love me to death.. what now?
You have just presented ultimate proof as to why the prolife opinion is correct. Even though you had a sucky childhood you made it better through hard work! Same with the children... If you abort them, they won't have a chance to make their lives better. Give them a chance as you were given a chance...
I did have an abortion, and look where I am, and more importantly, look where my future children will be if I ever decide to have them- well cared for and supported, never abused, loved, and provided for fully so that they will never grow up in pain, hunger, or terror, sot hat they will look back at their best years with peace and happiness, not shame, disgust, and regret that they ever existed.
They will try to provide their own children love, not spitting a callous 'get over it'.
No, I would have been throw out of my house and sent to a group home until I was 18 or taken into foster care where I would have most likely been abused, molested, or neglected by foster parents who only adopt unwanted teens for the monthly pay of 1500 to 3000$.
My child would have either grown up in a group home and been beaten by other children, even raped, and chances of even graduating high school would have been less than 30%, and 100,000 babies go unadopted each year. Sound so positive?
Do some research then look up how many unadopted children there are, right now, ready to go to a new home, and not JUST babies, but teens like I was.
Look up abuse cases in foster homes and how many MORE abuse cases go unreported or outright IGNORED each year,e very year.
See what happens to the majority of BABIES that get adopted, and see how many eligible couples get turned away due to too-high standards,e ct.. and then look at the LOWER standards required for adopting older children.
I have respect for the people around me and believe that a child deserves a REAL childhood, not the hell you want to call a blessing..
'better than nothing' only applies to certain things, and scarring abuse and minimal chances at success is NOT BETTER.
My opinion.. but again, it differs from person to person, and until YOU are in that position and actually have to consider it ALL, and have LIVED through it ALL, your opinion is less than substantial.
What it all boils down to is literally EVERY part of the woman's circumstances, AND that circumstances of the child's probably life.
Unless that woman is willing and CAPABLE, noone should ever force her to abort OR give birth, to adopt OR to keep that child.. It is her body and her life that dominates it, and the circumstances of the child's life depend very closely on the circumstances of the woman's, leaving it up to HER abilities and judgement.
Dude, I have refuted this same argument over and over again. I have fully twisted this very same argument several times now to prove to you the opposite of what you are trying to say. If you can't look at reason, then I can't help you. I have better things to do...
All you have done is twisted it, not proven anything other than fairytale hope and ideals that worst-case scenarios DON'T happen and that a life through hell is worth anything else..
when apparently you are wrong beucase legalities, common sense, historical documentation, legal statistics of ALL kinds from ALL corners of not just america but the globe itself, and personal experience standing right in front of you say the complete opposite.
are u so selfish that u cant under go a lil trauma for the sake of another human being! Ur own child even... murder is never the answer u should have went with adoption!
@08metalmama If you think i was the only one facing 'a little trauma'.. think of homelessness, rape and abuse, and then put my CHILD in that situation, too.
or OR they could have grown up and enjoyed their life... they COULD have done great things... now we'll never know not that u care but my bff is adopted and she was adopted by a freakin rich family ok... sounds like a great life to me.
DO u even know or care wat kind of pain those babies go through? If u are really a righteous person like ur claiming to be u should look up videos of live abortions.. and remember u did this to ur child.. ur helpless child..
@08metalmama Good for your friend, really. A lif elike that is a rarity. I knew a guy in high school who grew up since abandonement in a group home and saw kids beat and even RAPE eachother.
He told me 'ever seen White Oleander? It's like that."
I know that a child is not conscious while in the womb- it is why we don't remember life en utero, or why we don't even remember being 1-2 years old.
-c I grew up in HELL and would rather have been aborted or not conceived than have the memories I do. I look back with regret and hate and pain on the time of my life that should have been the best-
I don't think any child should EVER face that, and if I have to choose between aborting a child in the womb while thy can't think or feel, or force them through a life like mine, I'd choose aborting.
I almost killed myself to induce my miscarriage and was READY AND WILLING to die to get away.
u apparently desire to live or u would no longer be living... i'm sure ur child would have loved to live... and i'm srry about giving u a hard time I really am but the videos I have watched bother me beyond words these infants suffer... real infants suffering u can see them scream... u watch the videos and tell me if u feel the same still will u please? I will gladly leave u alone once I see ur response to them..
@08metalmama I don't know why people always say that to me. I'm afraid to kill myself.
I have seen them, and I do understand it is horrible to kill a child, but I also know it is more horrible to force a child into a life that will make them regret and fear and cast a cold eye on themselves and tell others to 'suck it up' without pity.
I had no support and was terrified for myself, but I wasn't the only one facing living hell. If you live and are happy, good, but not everyone has that LUXURY.
just because u had a bad life doesn't mean ur child would.. but i'm gonna leave u alone now another thing u might want to research is that jena woman who survived the saline abortion her mother tried to get.. shes happy yo be alive.. even ppl who have had the hardest lives are still happy to have lived.
it has many flaws but it is not murder! how is it different than killing a newborn please answer that for me... And don't say that it isn't human or a lump of cells.. if u really believe this look up partial birth abortions.. or saline abortions...
there are many differences between a fetus and newborn: the fact that fetuses are inside the womb and are not separate individuals, the fact that a fetus can't breathe, or poop, or eat, the fact that their bodies are not separate until birth, fetuses are not capable of consciousness, their bodies are not developed enough for them to survive on their own, etc.
98.8% of abortions are performed at or before the 3rd trimester
are u really such a f***ing sheep? Just because the government classifies it different u think that makes it so? you are such a tool that its pathetic.. (con)
is cursing necessary? no. it just makes you look like a fool.
the law classifies it as such. it has nothing to do with how i feel about the government. personally, i don't like the people who run america or how they run this country. if you want to change the laws then get off your ass and do something about it instead of complaining to random strangers.
Oh yea because I can just go up and smack the president in the face and be like hey stop abortion! lol apparently its not only the law its how u believe too or else u wouldn't defend it..
and how do I help anything by complaining to strangers? If I convince even 1 person not to get an abortion than I have saved a live that makes it seem worth while to me : ) And if u believe that isn't legal in america type in obama abortion and go to the first vid.. I promise I will just shut my mouth after u watch that and reply. Srry youtube wont let u post links XP
lulz. you can't convince anyone to not have an abortion. studies have shown that where birth control, abortion, and comprehensive sex education are readily available, teenagers have less sex, not more, and abortion rates go down. reality dictates that birth control and abortion be available to help prevent teens from becoming parents.
who says it has anything to do with teens? I was a teen mother and my son is perfect.... and if ur saying its impossible to sway someones mind from abortion ur wrong.. ppl in abortion clinics even change their minds sometimes..and are u really that ditsy? The smacking the president in the face was sarcasm in response to u saying to go do something about abortion. And it is their rights but that don't mean I shouldn't try to save a life!
it's important to educate teens and children about sex early and make contraceptives easy to access. THAT would decrease the amount of abortions by a lot. but either way, women will still have abortions and you telling them not to won't make a big difference. when i said do something, i meant DO something. promote sex education. promote the easy access of contraceptives. promote women's health clinics. telling people to not have abortions will not have much of an effect.
I might just do that some day. I'm 19 right now though. Not vary easy to put myself out there like that. Also u said I could not change a persons mind back track and read ur the one that said it. I will tell any teen to wait to have sex in the first place and if they do use protection! I lucked up big time. Most girls aren't that fortunate.. but if the do get pregenent I would like to tell the they are able to do it! anyways we are kinda going in circles now I don't see this lasting much longer.
i said you, yes. meaning you, specifically. it's very unlikely that you will persuade a woman to not have an abortion unless you guilt her out of it, which is stupid.
telling teens to wait to have sex won't have an effect. teens don't like the word 'no' and have a tendency to do the opposite. EDUCATION is what will help prevent many women and teens from having abortions.
I just agreed with u on that i'm not arguing that they should educate them to use protection and if I do guilt them out of it its not stupid its another live that is saved! But for the ones that have done got pregnant(and there will always be some) I just want them to know if a 17 yr old can do it so can they!
compassion is needed; not guilt. guilting a woman out of such a choice is asinine and heartless. a woman should be able to decide for herself what she should do.
compassion? u speak of compassion? U have got to be kidding me... how about compassion for the life they are taking.. no I will not feel compassion for someone who is so eager to end a life just so they can keep partying! And that is why the biggest part of them do it.. under 1% is done because of rape.. Abortion is the new birth control and that IS NOT ok I hope they all get wat is coming to them!
"u speak of compassion? U have got to be kidding me"
hm. and i thought you were pro-life. o_O i guess not.
"no I will not feel compassion for someone who is so eager to end a life "
just because a woman has an abortion, that doesn't mean she's "eager" to have one. women have abortions for many reasons. there is no scientific consensus as to when human life begins. it is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief.
I am pro life. I said I don't feel compassion for them.. that in no way means I want to kill them now who is putting words in who's mouth? When life begins is not a matter of anythings except it lives. it has a heartbeat.. it feels pain .. it moves.. these government officials are just pro choice most of the time to keep population control up.. they'l lie and say anything to get these women to kill their children.one guys was caught plotting wanting to put things in the water to caz infertility
pro-life = pro-LIFE. if you have no compassion for a life form (ie: woman) then you are not pro-life. you don't seem to really give a shit about her at all.
i repeat...there is no scientific consensus as to when human life begins. it is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief. yes, a fetus feels pain. however 98.8% of abortions are done when a fetus cannot feel pain. most late abortions are done for health-related reasons.
government officials are not all pro-choice. you make the stance of pro-choice sound horrible. we do not want to force women into having abortions. we are completely against that.
U do not have to have compassion for something to want it to live u over analyze things. There is no PROOF they can feel pain some estimate that they can feel pain after 8wks of fertilization! the same man making this claim told the reporter that the ppl saying they can't prove that they can feel pain also have no proof that animals feel pain! u can't rely on proof for everything either..
saying that abortion is used as birth control is like saying, "why bother eating when you can have an IV in your arm?" to choose to have an abortion is a very personal and very private decision, and no one has the right to question why a woman decides as she does. there are a number of reasons why a woman chooses to have an abortion, including health, family welfare, financial situation, and other personal reasons. it's usually a very difficult decision to make
its has been proven that women are choosing to us abortion as birth control they have interviewed some at a the clinics asking we they didn't protect themselves better.. u wanna know wat they said? "well I just thought if I ended up getting pregnant I could abort it .. no big deal" is that right? u like statistics i take it.. most of the women that are honest will give answers like this.. this is not talking about all of them this is talking about the majority..
statistics on rape are not accurate because there are people who never report it. we have no way to conclusively know how many women are raped, how many rapes result in pregnancy, or how many abortions occur because of rape. would you punish a woman who was simply too scared to tell anyone what happened to her?
U really think it would make that much of a difference? Theres only 2 days a month a woman can conceive.. its highly unlikely that any one gets pregnant form rape! so lets put it at 2% to make u happy..93% actually occur for social reasons..U say morality has nothing to do with it? why must u make every thing about legalization?
Oh really because u seemed to care a lot about percentages earlier.. is it because u thought it helped ur argument.. now that u see percentages are not always completely reliable we can get onto the real issues here. And u do so make everything about legalization u claim its not murder because its legal.. That is purely based on over analyzed thoughts of the legal system. Its rare that it happens not during ovulation but lets get out of percentages and statics now since u suddenly don't care.
blackrose368: If a women gets raped why take it out on the baby by killing it when u can give the baby up for adoption. Either way you look at it is murder. The women who get abortions get pregnant cause they don't care if they get pregnant and get a abortion because it is a easy way out. Well i hope all the women who get abortions feel realy bad cause they killed a part of them. Way to go,way to be the mother of the year
some women have found that they were able to raise their rapist's child. that doesn't mean that every woman who was raped could do such a thing, nor should any woman who was raped be forced to. rape effects every victim differently. no two people will react or feel exactly the same way.
adoption is an option but it has flaws of its own; it's not the magical cure for unwanted pregnancies.
abortion isn't murder according to the law and definition of murder.
to choose to have an abortion is a very personal and very private decision. and no one has the right to question why a woman decides as she does. there are a number of reasons why a woman chooses to have an abortion; such as health, family welfare, financial situation, and other personal reasons, but the decision itself is not one that is ever taken lightly. also, most women would choose, and do choose, to use contraception before undergoing any surgical procedure.
abortion rarely causes any long-lasting or severe psychological after-effects. many negative feelings are related to the unwanted pregnancy, not the abortion, which usually brings feelings of relief.
birth control and other methods of contraceptives are not always adequate. they can sometimes cause uncomfortable side effects, can be unsafe, are expensive or difficult to obtain, have to be hidden from parents or be difficult to use or be ineffective. they are also not 100% effective. i know many people who were born while their mothers were on birth control or some other method. it's not that uncommon.
sex is a natural, beautiful, pleasurable thing which everybody should experience whether they are ready for children or not. having children is not the only purpose of sex. the possibility of an outcome is very different than its intent. a woman who has sex only invites the sharing of sexual pleasure, not the embryo that accidentally resulted. consenting to sex is not the same thing as consenting to motherhood since sex is not just for procreation (reproduction)
morality isn't subjective. there's a million different ideas on what's moral or immoral, but not all of them were right. who is right is another matter entirely, but there are definite, universal rights and wrongs. i mean, if it's all about what's right for you, is hitler really so bad? he was just doing what he believed in. and why would mother theresa be so special? she was just doing what worked for her. there'd be no point to morality at all.
morality is subjective. even in its most objective form, it is still subjective. this is because morality can only be seen through the perception of a persons reality. it is not something that is tangible. its a concept that humans contrived in order to structure our actions. since the concept of 'good' is a subjective idea, it is irrelevant as well. if 'good' was objective, then it would be relevant. i guess it's also relevant/similar to altruism. are you religious?
@blackrose386 : Be responsable enough to use protection or more than one method of protection to make sure you don't get pregnant . don't take your anger out on the baby cause you were the one who created the child so you take the responsability of taking care of him or her
ok. well, i am on birth control. does that mean all women who use contraceptives are responsible, even if they do end up having an abortion? contraceptives are not 100% effective. women have abortions for many reasons; it's usually not out of anger. children deserve to be loved and wanted. they don't deserve to be forced to live with a family that does not want or love them.
why are you telling me this? i'm not pregnant. and even if i was, it's absolutely none of your business what i decide to do with my body. if i was to abort, keep a child, or put it up for adoption, that's my own business.
@blackrose386 :I was not talking directly to you. I'm talking to the women who got pregnant and murdered their child. It is your body but if your pregnant there is another body inside you so if u take another persons life because you don't want the responsability, it is murder.
i think you're confusing morality with people's conscience. standards/conscience formation change from people to people when they decide what's right for themselves, but whether or not their standards are moral or immoral is the real question. but i agree that good/bad are useless words if their meaning is subjective.
to answer your question, i am religious (if that means i have a definite religion that i believe in. if you're asking if i'm saint-like, then i'd have to say no).
there are no absolute standards by which an action can be judged to be unequivocally right or wrong. it all depends on the perceptions of the individual. morality changes through time as well as among individuals and cultures.
"morality changes through time as well as among individuals and cultures."
no, not really. if you were to walk up to any sane person on the earth and say "I killed someone." they would think you did something bad. you would have to explain that the person you killed was trying to run you through with a knife before they could sympathize with you. the fact that you have to justify yourself suggests that murder is an inherently bad act.
murder/killing is more difficult as the general standard depends on motivation and circumstance. morality can only be seen through the perception of a persons reality. it is not something that is tangible. its a concept that humans contrived in order to structure our actions. morality is simply that which creates harmony. harmony in that anything that creates chaos we deem to be evil and anything that creates harmony we deem good. i use the words good and harmony interchangably.
likewise, if you were to tell that same person, "i gave someone a hug" they would assume you're a nice person. until you tell them you only did so to steal thier wallet. and so suggests that hugging (or just expressing love) is an inherently good act, because even tho you ended up having bad intentions, the other person just assumed you were being nice.
any action that creates more harmony, and makes it easier for us to live in harmony, is a moral act. morality is completely irrelevant. why? because really, what does it matter, whether or not we do good or bad? whether morals actually work or not?
what about Ghandi? his actions were anything but harmonious with south african/indian ways of life, yet he's generally perceived as a good man. same goes for any status-quo defying hero/ine out there.
i agree that morality does seem pointless if you don't believe in God. but humanity only moves forward when we don't insist that every man be for himself. which requires sticking to -some- sort of code that applies to everyone (morality)
yes. key word, generally. how were his actions not harmonious? he was a very peaceful man.
morality isn't pointless if you don't believe in god. everyone has morals; or at least most people do. however morals differ from person to person. no two people share all of the exact same morals. however there are certain morals which most people share.
his actions were peaceful, but they weren't harmonious with his time. yet society still deemed him "good."
morality doesn't work if it's subjective. there's more to being good than just pleasing the people around you. besides, where would we be if anybody could justify anything by insisting that their morals are different? it'd be impossible to discipline anyone or correct mistakes, or even function as a society.
@ mohawksUnItE: i'm not sure if you got my comment. apparently it's been removed.
people do "good" things, but that doesn't mean they are. if someone is doing something "good" with "bad" intentions, i do not consider that a good thing. some people do, some people don't. but ether way, it's not an objective fact that it's a moral or immoral thing, since the concept of good is also subjective.
the fact is, if morality was subjective, and anybody could justify -anything- they do, society just wouldn't work. think about it: a group of people convinced that anything they do is ok, and that no one should be able to tell them anything. doesn't that sound potentailly problematic to you?
if morality is different to every person, how can it create harmony? if anything, it'd just make more chaos. if morality is gonna create harmony in society, then it'd have to be the same thing to everybody, and it'd have to apply to everyone.
any action that creates more harmony, and makes it easier for us to live in harmony, is a "moral" act. most people share many similar morals (ex: the belief that killing, rape, thievery are bad) but not everyone does.
there has to be a negative consequence for doing the opposite of morality, and a positive consequence or at least a continued state of harmony for staying along the path of morality. morality is simply that which creates harmony. harmony in that anything that creates chaos we deem to be evil and anything that creates harmony we deem good.
what about those who's morals aren't similar to everyone else's? do they have negative consequences? and what if an entire society (say for example, sparta) thrived on killing, stealing, ect. and there was one man who refused to join the army and to pillage for food. is he being immoral for causing this discord?
u know wat happens when a baby takes its breath and is able to live outside the womb? They let it lay and die! In Britain they recently passed a law giving them lethal injection.. when they cut these babies up or burn them with saline they cry.. they bleed.. a newborn is incapable of thoughts but its considered murder to kill one.. u my friend have been suckered in by propaganda! I would gladly give up my rights for the lives of these children.. feminists are taking things too far..
thats jeus body he died for OUR SINS"its not the womens choice its gods choice women need god to decicide but you dont' have the memo get the memo you dont see the world tally us abotion save more than you think have hope and focus on more urgent call from god than abortion like thousand are starving and with out abortion wemen will throw babys in trash cans seen it befor now thats murder abortion is the price we must pay to save us from destruction of the world
urantiruslan 10 months ago
See, the funny thing is...what if Christ really didn't say those exact 4 words? Especially because it would have been much different in Hebrew. Maybe even a different number of words. What if Christ's words were recorded slightly different than how he actually phrased it? That would make this entire speech pointless. This video focuses too heavily on details that could have easily been misinterpreted.
GUITARdan22 1 year ago
"This is my body, eat of this..."
Five dried grams in silent darkness. amen
jesusisbling 1 year ago
Putting it in simple words:
ANTI-CHOICE = SLAVERY
PRO-CHOICE = FREEDOM
FACT OF LIFE: EVERYONE LOVES FREEDOM
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
We learn how to create a child. Two people choose to do the act of creating a child. They create a child, components of each of them, alive of them, half of the living information of each come togeather to make one, in the living egg. This life now has the information and the intelligence to make itself a human being. Alive, it has the intelligence to create organs, bones, blood, and how to Complete itself, and it is this intelligence that shows its desire and will to live. All know its wrong.
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago
@SeekTruthinLight
!) We don't have to learn how to create a child...
2) You are using the word intelligence wrong, please look up the definition
3) If YOU think abortion is wrong then, you don't have to have one. Millions of women disagree and actually have one, every year.
4) Your whole rap is just your opinion
jesusisbling 1 year ago
@jesusisbling You pro-choicer's think this is a matter of moral reletavism. This isn't like saying using cocaine is immoral for me but not for you. That's moral reletavism. Taking someone's life is not an issue of this matter. Some things, like taking away life without due process of law is illegaly wherever you go in the world. You pro-choicer's have many similar argument to former slave owners in the South. AKA my propery my choice(slaves)/my body my choice (fetus)!
gunzrkewl 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl
Peace and love to you..... flowers falling from the heavens.....
acceptance, forgiveness
jesusisbling 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl
Millions of women have abortions every year and they don't find anything wrong with it. Every democratic nation has some form of legal abortion. If you don't believe in moral relativism then, I guess you have to join the MAJORITY of humans that are pro-choice.
jesusisbling 1 year ago
@gunzrkewl says: You pro-choicer's have many similar argument to former slave owners in the South. AKA my propery my choice(slaves)/my body my choice (fetus)!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Similar? They were exactly the same. Slaves were not considered human being because they didnt have rights, a fetus isnt considered a human being for the same reason. legally, it WAS my slave my choice, until slaves got rights & that ended, and its still my fetus my right because it has no rights.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
If Jesus forgives why can't you. Every one of us will be on judgement day to account for our own sins. You wont pay for mine I wont pay for yours. Who are you to judge what other people do with their lifes. Remember where is that immaculate person who will cast the fist stone. Remember not even ONE out of this world is free of sin.
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
This is retarded. Have you considered that maybe most people say "this is my body" because there's not many more ways to claim ownership of your body without those words? "This is my torso" sounds ridiculous. By your reasoning, anyone who says this is misconstruing the word of Christ. "Im gonna get a tattoo because this is my body!" or "I can smoke pot! This is my body" or "I don't want your new world order implants! This is my body!" or 'Dont crucify me!!! This is my body!!!"
Cinthorc 1 year ago
lol the new slogan of anti abortion
PRIESTS 4 LYFE!!!!
ughzean 1 year ago
The Eucharist used to be an actual entheogen. Do THIS in remembrance of me.
btw - Jesus is a myth, just like Hercules, Dionysus, Horus and all the other sons of god.
100chemosabe 1 year ago
I don't believe in god.
moonchild07 1 year ago
When Christ said to eat His body and drink His blood He was speaking figuratively, not literally. The Book of John also says "unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Does this mean we need to be pushed out of our mother's womb again? Of course not. That would be impossible. Christ offered His body and blood on the cross for us. He wants us to accept His body and blood sacrifice for the atonement of our sins.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
Christ is not present in the eucharist. He died once and for all 2000 years ago.....Hebrews....."So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. . . ."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
Everybody knows there is something wrong with women who get abortions.
marvincling 2 years ago
@marvincling Really? Are you a psychiatrist? Or a doctor?
Or just a prejudiced judgmental chauvinist who probably has a religious tumor?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree No, but I do have morals.
marvincling 2 years ago
everyone has morals. they differ from person to person. no two people have all of the exact same morals. and also, morality is subjective.
blackrose386 2 years ago
@blackrose386 If killing is subjective and is moral in your eyes then you're stupid, plain and simple.
marvincling 2 years ago
huh? when did i ever say killing is subjective? you are yet another person who is trying to put words in my mouth. way to go.
morality is subjective. READ what i said. it's NOT hard.
blackrose386 2 years ago
@marvincling So do I- which is why I support a woman's choice and know better than to judge a woman or to punish both her and a potential child with an entire lifetime of regret and drastically lowered success-rates just to try to prove a point that I'm better than her for not being a slut.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
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"Everybody knows there is something wrong with women who get abortions. "
everybody knows there is something wrong with people who butt into the business of other people/people who judge others decisions when they know nothing about the situation/people who feel the government should be in control of theirs or someone ese's body.
blackrose386 2 years ago
abortion is Murder! The bible says there will come a day when they will call evil good n good evil...that day is here.
smithaven 2 years ago
God also used to support slavery and honor, witch, and heretic-killing until he realized he made a mistake and sent jesus so we could repent for our sins instead of getting executed for them and refute his faith.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
You have not done any biblical research. God never changes his mind on anything. He never supported slavery.
the5thCount 2 years ago
Then why were there so many rule and requirements as how to treat slaves, how to seel a slave,h ow to free one, when to and when NOT to beat them, how a slave should be happy to serve his master, ect?
Can you really say it was just a 'thing of the times'? And if so, why does adultery or murder not count, seeing as how we can benefit those and use them with regulations, too?
God DID change his mind, or is the old testament not only NOT APPLICABLE, but also fiction?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Do you not understand the setting? These people weren't slaves... they were indentured servents, i.e. people who are in servitude temporarily because of debt or crime. There are rules on how they are to be treated as they are still citizens and not property...
Do some research... it would do you some good...
the5thCount 2 years ago
Lol. Yes, and all them house niggers we had back in the day were just indentured servants, who weren't obligated by beating or death to do what they were told, either, were they?
I've done my research- and if they are people, why is there instruction on how to beat them?
Last I heard you don;t beat just a regular employee- you beat slaves.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Africans were not indentured servants. They were kidnapped and brought to foreign countries to work against their wills. Indentured servants were indentured legally and not against their will. (unless they were criminals.) Indentured servants were under an employment contract and there were guidelines for their treatment. They were still citizens and were to be treated humanely. You have not done your research...
the5thCount 2 years ago
Exodus 21:7-11 NLT "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, yadda-yadda.."
Disgusting word from a sick manmade book.
You want more? I have a whopper, you inane pig.
How about holding a slave's family hostage so that he has to choose to REMAIN a permanent slave to keep them?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Here you go - Exodus 21:2-6 NLT
If you buy a hebrew slave, he is only to serve six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he owes you nothing. If he was single when he became your slave AND THEN MARRIED AFTER, ONLY HE WILL GO FREE. But if he was married before, his wife will go with him. IF HIS WIFE GAVE HIM SONS AND DAUGHTERS THEY WILL REMAIN UNLESS HE PLAINLY DECLARES HE LOVES HIS MASTER, WIFE, AND CHILDREN... AND THEN HE MUST PIERCE HIS EAR... BEFORE GOD, REMAIN A SLAVE FOREVER..."
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
And the Bible NEVER instructed to beat servants. What you said there was a lie and an act of slander.
the5thCount 2 years ago
What the fuck.. are you kidding me?
Fine- I can play ball.
Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT "However, you may purchase /SLAVES/ yadda-yadda.. treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as permanent inheritance."
EXODUS 21:20-21 NAB- "WHEN A MAN STRIKES HIS MALE OR FEMALE SLAVE WITH A ROD SO HARD THAT TE SLAVE DUES UNDER HIS HAND, HE IT TO BE PUNISHED. IF HOWEVER, THE SLAVE SURVIVES FOR A DAY OR TWO, HE IS NOT TO BE PUNISHED SINCE THE SLAVE IS HIS OWN PROPERTY."
Get the FUCK OUT.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
OMG, I'm sorry, I didn't see this comment. I must do my research... Expect an answer soon...
the5thCount 2 years ago
YOU NEED TO READ YOUR HOLY BOOK AND SEE HOW /HOLY/ IT IS.
SLAVERY IS JUST ////ONE//// OF THE THINS WRONG WITH THE WORD OF YOUR SUPPOSED GOD, BUT IS ALL THE MORE REASON FOR YOU FAITH TO STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM MY LIFE, RIGHTS, LAWS, AND BODY AS POSSIBLE.
Don't you dare tell me I have not studied, that I don't know what i'm talking about.
It was YOUR god and YOUR people who killed witches and executed their CHILDREN for the good of man.
It is GOD that is poison and slander, lies by hateful men.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
I have read the scriptures through five times now... shut up.
You have not studied. Your last post wasn't even a valid argument. You are merely slandering my religion. The scriptures repeatedly preach the principles of liberty, justice, and morality. The main principle of the bible is the two greatest commandments, love God, and love your neighbor. You haven't read our scriptures and you are merely ranting. Have a nice day...
the5thCount 2 years ago
Slavery is moral?
Ar eoyu even in America?
I don't have to slander your faith- history had well-documented witch trials throughout.. well.. history.
WE see plainly what the word of god does when it's in control- look at the terorrists in iraq!
Yes, you leave when you see somrthing you don;t like that you cannot refute- I'm willing to prove my point, can't yu prove yours in any way other than saying I'm a liar?
Slavery is justice, is moral.. is LIBERTY? Say that to a black person, lol.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
I never said that slavery was moral.
the5thCount 2 years ago
I misunderstood as you did- you said you read the scriptures, I thought you meant the ones I just posted.
>>;
But yeah, the bible paints a lot of historically-proven WRONGS out to be moral, right, or justified.
As a witch I believe birth, pregnnacy, fertility is so sacred.. but it should never be a curse, a punishment, or something that personally damages you.. taking away abortion does just that.
And using the word of god helps nothing- god has had so much influence in war and hate..
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Does your religion view life as sacred?
the5thCount 2 years ago
Yes, all life.
But never intended as a punishment. A pregnancy is blessing, as is fertility.. but it should never be used a punishment, it should never harm or distress a woman..
My personal opinion is that if it truly hurts the woman abortion is right in self-defense.. which was the situation I was personally in before I ever became a witch.
Survival and health are defined(by those intelligently) as much more than physical existence.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Wait, you say that life is sacred. But you are also saying that if the child's life brings discomfort to the woman, then she can kill the child. By your religion, which is more sacred? The child's right to live or the woman's comfort.
the5thCount 2 years ago
It all depends- is the woman capable and willing to suffer the discomfort of pregnancy for that life, and is it compltely welcome?
Or is it an unplanned, unwanted, drastically imposing burden that will do as much harm to that womans' livelihood as, say, a rape might?
Is the child fully conscious and capable of surviving on it's own, pondering things, truly living, or is it unthinking, undeveloped, and fully dependent upon another for survival?
ALL these circumstances TOGETHER= the woman.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Sacrificing a fully viable life for another who is not even aware and is nothing but an imposing, damaging BURDEN on another is NOT moral at all. I could never support that happening to another person- it ALMOST happened to me and I was ready to kill
myself to prevent it.
I was there, I felt that pain, that fear, I WA in a lose/lose situation.. that is not sacred, that is hell.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
It is not sacrifice of one life for another. Abortion is not necessary as the child does not threaten the parent's life due to advance medical technologies.
the5thCount 2 years ago
Would medical technologies prevent me from getting abused in a poor shithole house by my father, or make it easier for me to both raise an unwanted child at 14 AND care for a crippled, mentally-ill mother throughout, AND go to school? Would medical science prevent me from getting thrown to the state wolves at 14 if I adopted my child out and got thrown out by my father for 'throwing away family to strangers?
Would it prevent me OR the baby from abused neglected, by state wolves?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Dude, obviously not. But none of these things justify abortion.
By adopting your child out you did the right thing(if you indeed did such a thing) as you spared an innocent life. Good for you.
Your argument fails to justify abortion though...
the5thCount 2 years ago
Rape justifies murder beucase even though angry sex doesn't kill, it damages the woman enough to warrant murder as an act of SURVIVAL-
the terms concerning abortion are VERY similar, especially in our society here in america.
I have to leave for the night, but please- do some research on child abuse in state wards, foster homes, and the UNREPORTED crime estimations.. and tell me what;'s really so much better- taking one unthinking life, or screwing over two fully-independent ones for life?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
How is the murder of the child justified. The woman would survive without killing her baby by going to the hospital. How is the child threatening her life. Just because something bad happened to you doesn't justify killing an innocent person! -.-'
the5thCount 2 years ago
I as threatened with homelessness or raising a child in a poor, abusive household without a father at 14.. in a home where I had, even at the age of 9, been hit in the face with a leather belt AND buckle by my father, ect..
I told you what happens in group homes/foster home-s- abuse, neglect, ect-- do you know that statistics of how many children in foster care/group homes get educations, paying jobs, how many of them end up on welfare/in prison?
Does that sound so nice to you? Like survival?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
Yeah? So what? I am sorry that you were abused as a child but whether you were abused or not has nothing to do with the right of a child to live. A woman's emotions are irrelevent when faced with the life of a child as life is more important than emotion...
the5thCount 2 years ago
I would have killed myself otherwise.
Suicide is not a good option, but to a lot of people it is a viable option, and often the 'best' if you face reality.
How long would you like to liv,e honestly, being abused by family, and watching your LOVED INFANT abused and neglected, and watch not only yourself BUT another suffer?
How happy would you be knowing(rather NEVER knowing) what became of your child, and being unable to, as you are underage and thrown into a snake pit called 'child services'?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Your argument is flawed as you feel that the abortion is necessary for the woman's survival. I can assure you that it is not. She can survive without killing an innocent party. Your argument is crushed beneath my feet.
the5thCount 2 years ago
Define health.. define survival.. is it merely the survival of flesh, or does surival encompass the entire livlihood of the woman?
I'm not talking about not having enough cash to buy those pretty shoe,s I'm talking about being crushed emotionally, financially, completely enough to destroy a life, most likely TWO if you count forcing her to carry that child to fruition.
Odds only count AGAINST both the mother AND the child in an unwanted, unfit pregnancy.
I'm living proof of it.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
Oh, I see, so you are saying that the emotional state of a woman is more important than the life of the child. Can't you see the problem with that?
the5thCount 2 years ago
Yes it is, when faced with ALL the facts.
I see no problem.
You seem to think that everyone who needs help can just ask and receive.. I NEVER FUCKING RECIEVED.
NEITHER DOES EVERYONE ELSE.
You only want to see the GOOD stories about unplanned children, and see the success stories.. I lived through a brutal hell, and mine WAS a success, too- just of the other kind.
Be realistic- destroying one, if not TWO souls, or sacrificing one for the better, period? THAT WAS MY LIFE.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
You see no problem with killing innocent children for the comfort of the mother? You know what, I don't care whether you were abused during childhood or not but that is disgusting.
the5thCount 2 years ago
And you twist it all as if to say I was merely missing out n bing able to fit into a pair of jeans or something so simple as 'comfort'...
THAT is the disgusting thing- you can't see the forest for the trees.. rather, you want to think quantity over quality, even at the long-lived personal expense of TWO people, one of them being the person you're most trying to save.
I'm sorry that my life circumstances/choices weren't up to with your pretty ideals, but I could never deliver a child like that!
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
If I got pregnant again right here, right now, chances are I would NOT abort, but merely pursue a personal, careful adoption... and not out of guilt or fear or pressure, but because I would able to do that much atleast with success, support, and SAFETY- I could have the time and ability to personally select an adoption candidate from the get-go to ensure my CHILDS life, and I could without threat of abuse or homelessness or even the loss of my job, pursue medical care and preparation.. -c
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
c-BUT IF I WAS STILL IN THE HELL I WAS WHEN I GOT PREGNANT THE FIRST TIME, I WOULD, AGAIN, ABORT.
I see no point in prolonging suffering not only for myself but for my child who would most likely end up mentally damaged from it, even physically abused, I see that as more cruel all the way around, not moral, kind, or good
'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'. And my intentions are not good or evil- they are common sense.
You're blind to human suffering BECAUSE of it..
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
If you want to do something to prevent abortion, then go as far as you can trying to better the circumstances of child services, adopt children, provide women who get pregnant with MORE support and protection, speak for their rights and don't condemn people who have accidental pregnancies- condemn the people who attack and judge them for it!
Do everything you can to prevent what happened to ME from happening again. Fight for 100% effect BC, not just risky BC.
Don't point fingers like god.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
You are saying that the woman's suffering is justification to kill the child. Is it better to end one life to make another more bearable? I understand that you or any1 else might be suffering extremely. But human suffering is no excuse for murder.
There are many murderers who were abused and who lived horrible lives. But that doesn't justify what they did to people. Simply because you were abused doesn't mean that you can take it out on another person.
the5thCount 2 years ago
Still manipulating what I have to say.
Look at ALL of the circumstnaces- I'm not talking about killing someone on the street, or a cheating spouse or a disbodient kid or even a competitive employee at work.. I'm talking about an unthinking, unfeeling person that is physically COMPLETELY dependent on only ONE person for an extended period of time.
The killing of this person to save the livelihood of the mother IF she deems it necessary Is better than FORCING BOTH to be abused or suffer, yes.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
So now you are saying that it is okay to kill an unconscious person...
If you were unconscious, would I have the right to shoot you in the head? Because you are not thinking or feeling when you are unconscious...
the5thCount 2 years ago
Once again you play deaf, dumb AND blind to the ENTIRE set of circumstances-
does a simple unconscious person, while sleeping or even in the hospice bed reside, for a permanent 9 months, inside the body of another?
Are they completely and utterly dependent upon one person and one person only, for 9 months?
Is any one person being FORCED to assume responsibility for them?
..no.. hired nurses, ect.
Stop playing word games. It is sad that all pro-lifers can do is play games.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
Hargh... Playing games is fun though :)
You are missing the point. If you had sex and had a baby, it is your DUTY to preserve the life of that baby; no matter whether the baby is unconscious or not! The comfort of the mother will be sacrificed, but you know what, that is the price of having sex, you get a baby. Why do you think that you can have sex and expect not to get a baby?
the5thCount 2 years ago
Why is it my duty, exactly?
Why does rape, porn, prostitution, and birth control exist?
Because sex is a LOT more than making children, and that risk is not enough to control how or why a woman lives out her sex life.
Ask any doctor if sexual readiness is the same as child/birth readiness, and see how eloquently they explain the differences between both the physical AND emotional requirements for either act.
Because of birth control and because I'm much more than JUST a walking womb.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
Sex has one purpose, to have children. There is no other purpose.
Any biologist can tell you that sex is a trait specifically evolved or designed to reproduce. That is why the sex organs are considered part of the reproductive system...
Sex has one purpose, to have children. There is no other purpose.
the5thCount 2 years ago
Yes, I know that, but does the intended purpose really matter so much as the use?
Why do people like porn, masturbation, rape, prostitution, why did I have sex and wear a condom?
Tell me- did i want a baby and just.. change my mind?
do all rpaist pursue children THAT forcibly, are all whores getting paid to make children?
Or are they doing it all for PLEASURE, as an act of power/aggression, ect?
Tell me, really.
It's not selfish, it's reality. Sex is more than birth, and you can't judge.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
So you are saying that a woman's right to have PLEASURE is more important than a child's right to live? Wow!
the5thCount 2 years ago
We don't have sex to make babies every time, and like I said before, the use of birth control pretty much negates that argument.
You want to think only married, perfect people wil ever have sex, make babies, ect.. and that we all have to live by your standards of life, readiness, and preparation, but we don't.
Sex has been since the dawn of time a pastime, an act of love, a tool, a poison, so many things.
Abortion has always been around,t he ONLY difference now is it being legal and SAFE. -c
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
The fact that you use birth control doesn't negate my argument that pleasure isn't more important then life! Simply because you try your hardest not to have babies from sex doesn't make you not have babies. When birth control fails, you have no right to act selfish and kill the baby to preserve your well being...
the5thCount 2 years ago
Society has said otherwise from the dawn of civilization, believe me.
Would you like to know how abortions were performed in the 1600's?
Do you ignore the odds of survival and SUCCESS on BOTH parts, the woman AND the child, if an unfit mother is forced to carry a child to term?
Do the means justify the end, or is it the other way around, to you?
Who cares how many MORE lives I screw up, as long as I save one? Who cares if that life I saved ends up in hell, just as long as it's alive?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
I know what society says. Just because society says something doesn't mean that is true... I AM A REBEL FROM SOCIETY!!!
You said, "Who cares how many MORE lives I screw up, as long as I save one? Who cares if that life I saved end up in hell, just as long as it's alive?"
This displays your EXTREME selfishness. This is very misguided.
#1 You don't want to go to hell.
#2 So you would screw up lives so that your life can be happy? Wow, you seem rather similar to a mass killer!
the5thCount 2 years ago
And now you're going off the deep end on your very select interpretation of what I say- proof that your argument is nothing but nitpicked opinion.
And by the way, I was saying what YOU are very openly implying, if not outright saying.
To be quite honest, if I had the choice of either not being born, or living through my childhood, I would have rather NOT been born.
Feel free to manipulate THAT how you will, but it is THAT pain/neglect/abuse I'd indeed kill to prevent from happening again.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
Did you watch the video that I sent you?
the5thCount 2 years ago
Yes and I think that girl is nuts.
That she would ever support putting another life through what SHE went through was fucking.. insane. How about I send YOU a video next?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
No, YOU are nuts. You would deny someone else their right to live simply because you didn't have the best life. My advice to you: get a life...
the5thCount 2 years ago
I have a very good life. And I don't regret it one bit. I get paid to nurse the mentally and physically handicapped and elderly, I get paid very well for it, I'm pretty, happy, socially welcomed, single and not looking, healthy, emotionally stable, and pretty much successful.. all that and on top of an abortion!
How incredible.
I donate to my local church though I'm not christian, because they do charities, I donate to my animal shelter, my clients love me to death.. what now?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
You have just presented ultimate proof as to why the prolife opinion is correct. Even though you had a sucky childhood you made it better through hard work! Same with the children... If you abort them, they won't have a chance to make their lives better. Give them a chance as you were given a chance...
the5thCount 2 years ago
I made it better through hard work AND an abortion.
..I also said I would rather have not been born at all than go through what I went through.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
You didn't have to have that abortion though...
the5thCount 2 years ago
I did have an abortion, and look where I am, and more importantly, look where my future children will be if I ever decide to have them- well cared for and supported, never abused, loved, and provided for fully so that they will never grow up in pain, hunger, or terror, sot hat they will look back at their best years with peace and happiness, not shame, disgust, and regret that they ever existed.
They will try to provide their own children love, not spitting a callous 'get over it'.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
You could have done all of this without of having an abortion though!
the5thCount 2 years ago
No, I would have been throw out of my house and sent to a group home until I was 18 or taken into foster care where I would have most likely been abused, molested, or neglected by foster parents who only adopt unwanted teens for the monthly pay of 1500 to 3000$.
My child would have either grown up in a group home and been beaten by other children, even raped, and chances of even graduating high school would have been less than 30%, and 100,000 babies go unadopted each year. Sound so positive?
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
Do some research then look up how many unadopted children there are, right now, ready to go to a new home, and not JUST babies, but teens like I was.
Look up abuse cases in foster homes and how many MORE abuse cases go unreported or outright IGNORED each year,e very year.
See what happens to the majority of BABIES that get adopted, and see how many eligible couples get turned away due to too-high standards,e ct.. and then look at the LOWER standards required for adopting older children.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
None of these phenomena apply though. Pain and suffering in the world do not justify killing the person...
the5thCount 2 years ago
Your opinion only.
I have respect for the people around me and believe that a child deserves a REAL childhood, not the hell you want to call a blessing..
'better than nothing' only applies to certain things, and scarring abuse and minimal chances at success is NOT BETTER.
My opinion.. but again, it differs from person to person, and until YOU are in that position and actually have to consider it ALL, and have LIVED through it ALL, your opinion is less than substantial.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
What it all boils down to is literally EVERY part of the woman's circumstances, AND that circumstances of the child's probably life.
Unless that woman is willing and CAPABLE, noone should ever force her to abort OR give birth, to adopt OR to keep that child.. It is her body and her life that dominates it, and the circumstances of the child's life depend very closely on the circumstances of the woman's, leaving it up to HER abilities and judgement.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
@RyddelIsFree
Dude, I have refuted this same argument over and over again. I have fully twisted this very same argument several times now to prove to you the opposite of what you are trying to say. If you can't look at reason, then I can't help you. I have better things to do...
the5thCount 2 years ago
All you have done is twisted it, not proven anything other than fairytale hope and ideals that worst-case scenarios DON'T happen and that a life through hell is worth anything else..
when apparently you are wrong beucase legalities, common sense, historical documentation, legal statistics of ALL kinds from ALL corners of not just america but the globe itself, and personal experience standing right in front of you say the complete opposite.
All you can do is play games. Fail, lol.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
are u so selfish that u cant under go a lil trauma for the sake of another human being! Ur own child even... murder is never the answer u should have went with adoption!
08metalmama 2 years ago
@08metalmama If you think i was the only one facing 'a little trauma'.. think of homelessness, rape and abuse, and then put my CHILD in that situation, too.
Shows how much you know.. or /care/.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
or OR they could have grown up and enjoyed their life... they COULD have done great things... now we'll never know not that u care but my bff is adopted and she was adopted by a freakin rich family ok... sounds like a great life to me.
DO u even know or care wat kind of pain those babies go through? If u are really a righteous person like ur claiming to be u should look up videos of live abortions.. and remember u did this to ur child.. ur helpless child..
08metalmama 2 years ago
@08metalmama Good for your friend, really. A lif elike that is a rarity. I knew a guy in high school who grew up since abandonement in a group home and saw kids beat and even RAPE eachother.
He told me 'ever seen White Oleander? It's like that."
I know that a child is not conscious while in the womb- it is why we don't remember life en utero, or why we don't even remember being 1-2 years old.
-c
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
-c I grew up in HELL and would rather have been aborted or not conceived than have the memories I do. I look back with regret and hate and pain on the time of my life that should have been the best-
I don't think any child should EVER face that, and if I have to choose between aborting a child in the womb while thy can't think or feel, or force them through a life like mine, I'd choose aborting.
I almost killed myself to induce my miscarriage and was READY AND WILLING to die to get away.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
u apparently desire to live or u would no longer be living... i'm sure ur child would have loved to live... and i'm srry about giving u a hard time I really am but the videos I have watched bother me beyond words these infants suffer... real infants suffering u can see them scream... u watch the videos and tell me if u feel the same still will u please? I will gladly leave u alone once I see ur response to them..
08metalmama 2 years ago
@08metalmama I don't know why people always say that to me. I'm afraid to kill myself.
I have seen them, and I do understand it is horrible to kill a child, but I also know it is more horrible to force a child into a life that will make them regret and fear and cast a cold eye on themselves and tell others to 'suck it up' without pity.
I had no support and was terrified for myself, but I wasn't the only one facing living hell. If you live and are happy, good, but not everyone has that LUXURY.
RyddelIsFree 2 years ago
just because u had a bad life doesn't mean ur child would.. but i'm gonna leave u alone now another thing u might want to research is that jena woman who survived the saline abortion her mother tried to get.. shes happy yo be alive.. even ppl who have had the hardest lives are still happy to have lived.
08metalmama 2 years ago
@08metalmama: and you're NOT being selfish?
murder is not legal, hunny. pick up a law book. people go to jail for murder.
adoption is not the magical cure for unwanted pregnancies. adoption has many flaws too.
blackrose386 2 years ago
it has many flaws but it is not murder! how is it different than killing a newborn please answer that for me... And don't say that it isn't human or a lump of cells.. if u really believe this look up partial birth abortions.. or saline abortions...
08metalmama 2 years ago
"but it is not murder"
you're right! abortion is not murder!
there are many differences between a fetus and newborn: the fact that fetuses are inside the womb and are not separate individuals, the fact that a fetus can't breathe, or poop, or eat, the fact that their bodies are not separate until birth, fetuses are not capable of consciousness, their bodies are not developed enough for them to survive on their own, etc.
98.8% of abortions are performed at or before the 3rd trimester
blackrose386 2 years ago
a fetus is 'human' but it's not a human 'being'.
blackrose386 2 years ago
are u really such a f***ing sheep? Just because the government classifies it different u think that makes it so? you are such a tool that its pathetic.. (con)
08metalmama 2 years ago
"sheep"?
is cursing necessary? no. it just makes you look like a fool.
the law classifies it as such. it has nothing to do with how i feel about the government. personally, i don't like the people who run america or how they run this country. if you want to change the laws then get off your ass and do something about it instead of complaining to random strangers.
blackrose386 2 years ago
Oh yea because I can just go up and smack the president in the face and be like hey stop abortion! lol apparently its not only the law its how u believe too or else u wouldn't defend it..
08metalmama 2 years ago
"Oh yea because I can just go up and smack the president in the face and be like hey stop abortion!"
oh yeah, like THAT would do anything, even IF you were able to do that.
fact of the matter is, you CAN'T prevent women from having abortions! whether it's legal or not, women WILL continue to have them.
i don't defend abortion. i defend the woman's right to have one. i defend rights.
blackrose386 2 years ago
and how do I help anything by complaining to strangers? If I convince even 1 person not to get an abortion than I have saved a live that makes it seem worth while to me : ) And if u believe that isn't legal in america type in obama abortion and go to the first vid.. I promise I will just shut my mouth after u watch that and reply. Srry youtube wont let u post links XP
08metalmama 2 years ago
lulz. you can't convince anyone to not have an abortion. studies have shown that where birth control, abortion, and comprehensive sex education are readily available, teenagers have less sex, not more, and abortion rates go down. reality dictates that birth control and abortion be available to help prevent teens from becoming parents.
blackrose386 2 years ago
who says it has anything to do with teens? I was a teen mother and my son is perfect.... and if ur saying its impossible to sway someones mind from abortion ur wrong.. ppl in abortion clinics even change their minds sometimes..and are u really that ditsy? The smacking the president in the face was sarcasm in response to u saying to go do something about abortion. And it is their rights but that don't mean I shouldn't try to save a life!
08metalmama 2 years ago
it's important to educate teens and children about sex early and make contraceptives easy to access. THAT would decrease the amount of abortions by a lot. but either way, women will still have abortions and you telling them not to won't make a big difference. when i said do something, i meant DO something. promote sex education. promote the easy access of contraceptives. promote women's health clinics. telling people to not have abortions will not have much of an effect.
blackrose386 2 years ago
I might just do that some day. I'm 19 right now though. Not vary easy to put myself out there like that. Also u said I could not change a persons mind back track and read ur the one that said it. I will tell any teen to wait to have sex in the first place and if they do use protection! I lucked up big time. Most girls aren't that fortunate.. but if the do get pregenent I would like to tell the they are able to do it! anyways we are kinda going in circles now I don't see this lasting much longer.
08metalmama 2 years ago
i said you, yes. meaning you, specifically. it's very unlikely that you will persuade a woman to not have an abortion unless you guilt her out of it, which is stupid.
telling teens to wait to have sex won't have an effect. teens don't like the word 'no' and have a tendency to do the opposite. EDUCATION is what will help prevent many women and teens from having abortions.
blackrose386 2 years ago
I just agreed with u on that i'm not arguing that they should educate them to use protection and if I do guilt them out of it its not stupid its another live that is saved! But for the ones that have done got pregnant(and there will always be some) I just want them to know if a 17 yr old can do it so can they!
08metalmama 2 years ago
compassion is needed; not guilt. guilting a woman out of such a choice is asinine and heartless. a woman should be able to decide for herself what she should do.
blackrose386 2 years ago
compassion? u speak of compassion? U have got to be kidding me... how about compassion for the life they are taking.. no I will not feel compassion for someone who is so eager to end a life just so they can keep partying! And that is why the biggest part of them do it.. under 1% is done because of rape.. Abortion is the new birth control and that IS NOT ok I hope they all get wat is coming to them!
08metalmama 2 years ago
"u speak of compassion? U have got to be kidding me"
hm. and i thought you were pro-life. o_O i guess not.
"no I will not feel compassion for someone who is so eager to end a life "
just because a woman has an abortion, that doesn't mean she's "eager" to have one. women have abortions for many reasons. there is no scientific consensus as to when human life begins. it is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief.
blackrose386 2 years ago
I am pro life. I said I don't feel compassion for them.. that in no way means I want to kill them now who is putting words in who's mouth? When life begins is not a matter of anythings except it lives. it has a heartbeat.. it feels pain .. it moves.. these government officials are just pro choice most of the time to keep population control up.. they'l lie and say anything to get these women to kill their children.one guys was caught plotting wanting to put things in the water to caz infertility
08metalmama 2 years ago
pro-life = pro-LIFE. if you have no compassion for a life form (ie: woman) then you are not pro-life. you don't seem to really give a shit about her at all.
i repeat...there is no scientific consensus as to when human life begins. it is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief. yes, a fetus feels pain. however 98.8% of abortions are done when a fetus cannot feel pain. most late abortions are done for health-related reasons.
blackrose386 2 years ago
government officials are not all pro-choice. you make the stance of pro-choice sound horrible. we do not want to force women into having abortions. we are completely against that.
blackrose386 2 years ago
U do not have to have compassion for something to want it to live u over analyze things. There is no PROOF they can feel pain some estimate that they can feel pain after 8wks of fertilization! the same man making this claim told the reporter that the ppl saying they can't prove that they can feel pain also have no proof that animals feel pain! u can't rely on proof for everything either..
08metalmama 2 years ago
saying that abortion is used as birth control is like saying, "why bother eating when you can have an IV in your arm?" to choose to have an abortion is a very personal and very private decision, and no one has the right to question why a woman decides as she does. there are a number of reasons why a woman chooses to have an abortion, including health, family welfare, financial situation, and other personal reasons. it's usually a very difficult decision to make
blackrose386 2 years ago
its has been proven that women are choosing to us abortion as birth control they have interviewed some at a the clinics asking we they didn't protect themselves better.. u wanna know wat they said? "well I just thought if I ended up getting pregnant I could abort it .. no big deal" is that right? u like statistics i take it.. most of the women that are honest will give answers like this.. this is not talking about all of them this is talking about the majority..
08metalmama 2 years ago
"well I just thought if I ended up getting pregnant I could abort it .. no big deal" is that right?"
most women do not feel that way. but of course some do.
blackrose386 2 years ago
statistics on rape are not accurate because there are people who never report it. we have no way to conclusively know how many women are raped, how many rapes result in pregnancy, or how many abortions occur because of rape. would you punish a woman who was simply too scared to tell anyone what happened to her?
blackrose386 2 years ago
U really think it would make that much of a difference? Theres only 2 days a month a woman can conceive.. its highly unlikely that any one gets pregnant form rape! so lets put it at 2% to make u happy..93% actually occur for social reasons..U say morality has nothing to do with it? why must u make every thing about legalization?
08metalmama 2 years ago
a woman can get pregnant on any day of the month. my mom's sister got pregnant on a day she was not ovulating (says her doctor).
i don't care about the percentage. the fact is, too women get pregnant from rape.
if a woman feels that having an abortion is best for her, then what business is it of yours to try to force her not to?
morality is subjective. and our laws are not based odd pure morality.
i don't make everything about legalization o.O
blackrose386 2 years ago
Oh really because u seemed to care a lot about percentages earlier.. is it because u thought it helped ur argument.. now that u see percentages are not always completely reliable we can get onto the real issues here. And u do so make everything about legalization u claim its not murder because its legal.. That is purely based on over analyzed thoughts of the legal system. Its rare that it happens not during ovulation but lets get out of percentages and statics now since u suddenly don't care.
08metalmama 2 years ago
there is no such thing as legal murder. look up the definition of murder.
i never said percentages were always reliable or relevant.. but you seem to be missing my point entirely.
blackrose386 2 years ago
why does this thing making it hard for me to post comments?? o.O
i'll just message you
blackrose386 2 years ago
blackrose368: If a women gets raped why take it out on the baby by killing it when u can give the baby up for adoption. Either way you look at it is murder. The women who get abortions get pregnant cause they don't care if they get pregnant and get a abortion because it is a easy way out. Well i hope all the women who get abortions feel realy bad cause they killed a part of them. Way to go,way to be the mother of the year
ladybug19791 2 years ago
some women have found that they were able to raise their rapist's child. that doesn't mean that every woman who was raped could do such a thing, nor should any woman who was raped be forced to. rape effects every victim differently. no two people will react or feel exactly the same way.
adoption is an option but it has flaws of its own; it's not the magical cure for unwanted pregnancies.
abortion isn't murder according to the law and definition of murder.
blackrose386 2 years ago
to choose to have an abortion is a very personal and very private decision. and no one has the right to question why a woman decides as she does. there are a number of reasons why a woman chooses to have an abortion; such as health, family welfare, financial situation, and other personal reasons, but the decision itself is not one that is ever taken lightly. also, most women would choose, and do choose, to use contraception before undergoing any surgical procedure.
blackrose386 2 years ago
abortion rarely causes any long-lasting or severe psychological after-effects. many negative feelings are related to the unwanted pregnancy, not the abortion, which usually brings feelings of relief.
blackrose386 2 years ago
You have a different opinion than me so it is not doing any good to talk. Your not right to me and i'm not right to you
ladybug19791 2 years ago
@blackrose386 : if u don't want a baby keep your legs closed or use protection,its that easy now are u people that stupid or what?
ladybug19791 1 year ago
birth control and other methods of contraceptives are not always adequate. they can sometimes cause uncomfortable side effects, can be unsafe, are expensive or difficult to obtain, have to be hidden from parents or be difficult to use or be ineffective. they are also not 100% effective. i know many people who were born while their mothers were on birth control or some other method. it's not that uncommon.
blackrose386 1 year ago
sex is a natural, beautiful, pleasurable thing which everybody should experience whether they are ready for children or not. having children is not the only purpose of sex. the possibility of an outcome is very different than its intent. a woman who has sex only invites the sharing of sexual pleasure, not the embryo that accidentally resulted. consenting to sex is not the same thing as consenting to motherhood since sex is not just for procreation (reproduction)
blackrose386 1 year ago
@blackrose386
morality isn't subjective. there's a million different ideas on what's moral or immoral, but not all of them were right. who is right is another matter entirely, but there are definite, universal rights and wrongs. i mean, if it's all about what's right for you, is hitler really so bad? he was just doing what he believed in. and why would mother theresa be so special? she was just doing what worked for her. there'd be no point to morality at all.
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
morality is subjective. even in its most objective form, it is still subjective. this is because morality can only be seen through the perception of a persons reality. it is not something that is tangible. its a concept that humans contrived in order to structure our actions. since the concept of 'good' is a subjective idea, it is irrelevant as well. if 'good' was objective, then it would be relevant. i guess it's also relevant/similar to altruism. are you religious?
blackrose386 1 year ago
@blackrose386 : Be responsable enough to use protection or more than one method of protection to make sure you don't get pregnant . don't take your anger out on the baby cause you were the one who created the child so you take the responsability of taking care of him or her
ladybug19791 1 year ago
ok. well, i am on birth control. does that mean all women who use contraceptives are responsible, even if they do end up having an abortion? contraceptives are not 100% effective. women have abortions for many reasons; it's usually not out of anger. children deserve to be loved and wanted. they don't deserve to be forced to live with a family that does not want or love them.
blackrose0987 1 year ago
@blackrose0987 : All I'm saying is don't take it out on the baby just because you had a accident and got pregnant.
ladybug19791 1 year ago
why are you telling me this? i'm not pregnant. and even if i was, it's absolutely none of your business what i decide to do with my body. if i was to abort, keep a child, or put it up for adoption, that's my own business.
blackrose386 1 year ago
@blackrose386 :I was not talking directly to you. I'm talking to the women who got pregnant and murdered their child. It is your body but if your pregnant there is another body inside you so if u take another persons life because you don't want the responsability, it is murder.
ladybug19791 1 year ago
@ladybug19791: you can't tell people what to do and neither can i. if someone has an abortion, that's their business; not mine
blackrose386 1 year ago
i think you're confusing morality with people's conscience. standards/conscience formation change from people to people when they decide what's right for themselves, but whether or not their standards are moral or immoral is the real question. but i agree that good/bad are useless words if their meaning is subjective.
to answer your question, i am religious (if that means i have a definite religion that i believe in. if you're asking if i'm saint-like, then i'd have to say no).
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
there are no absolute standards by which an action can be judged to be unequivocally right or wrong. it all depends on the perceptions of the individual. morality changes through time as well as among individuals and cultures.
blackrose0987 1 year ago
"morality changes through time as well as among individuals and cultures."
no, not really. if you were to walk up to any sane person on the earth and say "I killed someone." they would think you did something bad. you would have to explain that the person you killed was trying to run you through with a knife before they could sympathize with you. the fact that you have to justify yourself suggests that murder is an inherently bad act.
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
murder/killing is more difficult as the general standard depends on motivation and circumstance. morality can only be seen through the perception of a persons reality. it is not something that is tangible. its a concept that humans contrived in order to structure our actions. morality is simply that which creates harmony. harmony in that anything that creates chaos we deem to be evil and anything that creates harmony we deem good. i use the words good and harmony interchangably.
blackrose386 1 year ago
likewise, if you were to tell that same person, "i gave someone a hug" they would assume you're a nice person. until you tell them you only did so to steal thier wallet. and so suggests that hugging (or just expressing love) is an inherently good act, because even tho you ended up having bad intentions, the other person just assumed you were being nice.
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
any action that creates more harmony, and makes it easier for us to live in harmony, is a moral act. morality is completely irrelevant. why? because really, what does it matter, whether or not we do good or bad? whether morals actually work or not?
blackrose386 1 year ago
what about Ghandi? his actions were anything but harmonious with south african/indian ways of life, yet he's generally perceived as a good man. same goes for any status-quo defying hero/ine out there.
i agree that morality does seem pointless if you don't believe in God. but humanity only moves forward when we don't insist that every man be for himself. which requires sticking to -some- sort of code that applies to everyone (morality)
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
"generally perceived as a good man."
yes. key word, generally. how were his actions not harmonious? he was a very peaceful man.
morality isn't pointless if you don't believe in god. everyone has morals; or at least most people do. however morals differ from person to person. no two people share all of the exact same morals. however there are certain morals which most people share.
blackrose386 1 year ago
his actions were peaceful, but they weren't harmonious with his time. yet society still deemed him "good."
morality doesn't work if it's subjective. there's more to being good than just pleasing the people around you. besides, where would we be if anybody could justify anything by insisting that their morals are different? it'd be impossible to discipline anyone or correct mistakes, or even function as a society.
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
@ mohawksUnItE: i'm not sure if you got my comment. apparently it's been removed.
people do "good" things, but that doesn't mean they are. if someone is doing something "good" with "bad" intentions, i do not consider that a good thing. some people do, some people don't. but ether way, it's not an objective fact that it's a moral or immoral thing, since the concept of good is also subjective.
blackrose386 1 year ago
the fact is, if morality was subjective, and anybody could justify -anything- they do, society just wouldn't work. think about it: a group of people convinced that anything they do is ok, and that no one should be able to tell them anything. doesn't that sound potentailly problematic to you?
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
if people did anything they wanted, that would create chaos. people created morals to create harmony in society, as i've said before.
blackrose386 1 year ago
if morality is different to every person, how can it create harmony? if anything, it'd just make more chaos. if morality is gonna create harmony in society, then it'd have to be the same thing to everybody, and it'd have to apply to everyone.
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
any action that creates more harmony, and makes it easier for us to live in harmony, is a "moral" act. most people share many similar morals (ex: the belief that killing, rape, thievery are bad) but not everyone does.
blackrose386 1 year ago
there has to be a negative consequence for doing the opposite of morality, and a positive consequence or at least a continued state of harmony for staying along the path of morality. morality is simply that which creates harmony. harmony in that anything that creates chaos we deem to be evil and anything that creates harmony we deem good.
blackrose386 1 year ago
what about those who's morals aren't similar to everyone else's? do they have negative consequences? and what if an entire society (say for example, sparta) thrived on killing, stealing, ect. and there was one man who refused to join the army and to pillage for food. is he being immoral for causing this discord?
mohawksUnItE 1 year ago
@mohawksUnItE
I think that it's God's laws that matter, not what our personal interests are.
haitipi 1 year ago
why are you putting words in my mouth? i never once said that people were incapable of changing their minds. and you call me ditsy?
blackrose386 2 years ago
u know wat happens when a baby takes its breath and is able to live outside the womb? They let it lay and die! In Britain they recently passed a law giving them lethal injection.. when they cut these babies up or burn them with saline they cry.. they bleed.. a newborn is incapable of thoughts but its considered murder to kill one.. u my friend have been suckered in by propaganda! I would gladly give up my rights for the lives of these children.. feminists are taking things too far..
08metalmama 2 years ago