Macro evolution is a psuedoscience created by creatards! The only distinction between macro and micro is time. We also don't need to observe it happening, we just need to examine the results and all results point towards what you call macro evolution.
why are you so slow... would of answered all this by now... well come on this is the point of existence to EXPLORE the possible outcomes of cause and effect... I ask for an alternative... and I get... a "I dunno".. "not sure"... "cant think outside a box to save my life".. "i think I'm brainwashed both ways"... "i need to experience actual science before slagging it off"... "i hate evo because it conflicts with my tribal texts of which I understand nothing about them AT ALL!!".. i could go on!
we are going to experience an exercise of the mind called improvisation ... its a wonderful exercise.. frees the mind up from all these democratic ideals... try it ... who knows where it might lead ;0)
I am still waiting for your alternative to EVO... well come on??? ... I have a whole list of possibilities to list on the fly.... they havent entered my mind yet... I am actually waiting for some original ideas not BELIEFS!!! they aint worth a pot to piss in..
i want to know where this factory is that makes billions of species that all die out in only what 10000 years... and they think a god is involved... your really are primitive screwheads... the religious are pointless... humility its not, stupidity and childish ideals it is!
@Tickly21 Micro and macro evolution is actually the same thing only creationists use this term as they invented it." Are you able to substantiate such a claim?
"Microevolutionary theories are gradualistic explanatory mechanisms that biologists use to account for the origin and evolution of macroevolutionary adaptations and variation." -Douglas Theobald, Ph.D "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution."
Evolution is not defined as change through time. Turning over an hour glass is not the evolution of sand. This video is completely idiotic.
Evolution is the changing of living systems over time through natural selection by way of variation and mutation.
WOW you deny speciation. Speciation has been observed in sexually reproducing living systems. Micro and macro evolution have been observed in nature. You're an idiot.
@jib1000 "Evolution is not defined as change through time." By evolution I assume you mean evolved taxa, which was his purpose for using the generalization "in a broad sense", since that's essentially what it is, right? "...changing of living systems..." is still CHANGE albeit more specific.
@Devolutionism By evolution i mean evolution. There aren't twenty different kinds, just the one. When people say things like "computers evolved a lot over the last decade" they shouldn't use the word evolve.
This video is still idiotic and it still denies scientifically proven facts, like speciation and evolution.
Shameless propaganda at its worst. The creator of this video understand what evolution is, but is either so dishonest or self deluded that he ends up completely misrepresenting what evolution is and what is known about it. There are observations of large scale evolution via the fossil record. Micro and macro evolution are actually the same thing, only creationists use this term as they invented it. There is no debate among relevant scholars in the field. Chemists are not relevant scholars.
@hooseyadaddy These are only the ones that I had off the top of my head too. We also have a whole line of fossils that all match up with one another, as well as genetic data that matches up perfectly with conclusions from this scientific evidence. In regards to a cell though, cells have become increasingly complex over time, current cells are nothing like primitive cells from billions of years ago. The idea of irreducible complexity has constantly been debunked in science and in the court of law
In addition to all of this, still. There is large agreement within the scientific community about this subject. The only countries and people that have a problem with evolution are those that are much more religiously affiliated. And even with all this, what's the purpose, isn't God supposed to be more based on faith rather than reason? I mean, I honestly can't believe we're in the 21st century and we're still having arguments about evolution.
Macroevolution hasn't been observed? How about the domestication of the banana and corn? The silver fox experiment showing the change over generations of animals becoming more doglike and having changed skull size and width, as well as tail length? And as for the Noah's Ark response in the video, that would have literally been impossible, and I hope no one actually believes that, I mean that statement alone should have removed all reliability on this video
@IndependentMario did those become anything othe than bananas and corn? dogs are still dogs.. etc.. all that is is a variation of a species.. lets breed dogs to grow wings.. lets breed reptiles that mutate a 4 chambered heart.. or a fish that mutates a three chambered one.. or a fish from anything else.. or a multicellular sexuall reproductive organism from a unicellular asexual one.. not gonna happen.. yet domestication of bananas is some how proof of this? I think ur bananas...
@hooseyadaddy dogs are not still dogs... the difference between wolf and dog is very wide and over a small period of time... imagine that process over 1 million years.... doesnt take a genius to work it out.... evolution is a solid process and ideally suited to universal law.things change so does culture and social conditioning.. if you think that religion is fixed and outside of this oooo are you so wrong.everything changes thats what freewill IS. evolution is a apart of that!! live with it!
@jammapcb um yes they are.. and what is it with evolutionists as if somehow adding millions of years makes something more probable?.. Get something other than bacteria from bacteria.. Get an asexual organism to become sexual.. Get a fish to mutate a different circulatory system.. then come talk to me.. truth is.. itll never happen.. no matter how long i wait.. And oh yeah, why isnt new life constantly being created?.. Never again in 3.5billion years?... hmmm....
@hooseyadaddy so the alternative with evidence is..made in a factory millions of species last so long (under 10k years and die out) well thats just fucking amazing..and you say a god did this lol please your talking obsolute shit... the other thing is "why isnt life being created".it is right now you ignorant atomaton.. your offspring, animal offspring what you think that is apart of CHANGE!!! frequency of outcome... each of us (well some of us improve on the prev gen) in your case deevolved!
@jammapcb if youd stop to think... u ignorant atomaton.. no new life has spontaneously generated.. and in all of lenski's experiments he still had bacteria.. It will never become a higher lifeform! End of story! Evolution debunked right there! atleast part of it. Going from simple to advanced multicellular life. but life at a simple or complex level will change, within its class.
@hooseyadaddy wrong!!!... 1 experiment nature had 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999942 experiments x 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 to obtain the unique change in many different conditions!
@hooseyadaddy if we are talking about probability its FOR it not against it... thats where you all get it wrong!... The more experiments per nm square = more outcomes ... more outcomes from basic proteins will increase in quantity from there to another process and so forth... to say flat out its bollox shows your ignorance to chemistry!
@hooseyadaddy "no new life has spontaneously generated"
That would contradict the principle of common descent
" and in all of lenski's experiments he still had bacteria"
He also had evolution, including increased fitness, new traits and inreases in information. Everything creationists say is impossible. You seem to expect them to turn into hamsters or something, but they won't. That is what evolutionary theory says in impossible. So creationism fails once again in both interpretations
@ProcInc and evolution.. even evolution if traced all they way back leads to more than one original life form spontaneously generating.. It had to have.. so if it happened then.. It should still happen especially now.. and i said things change within its class! All im saying is bacteria will never be anything but that.. Not that it will change into a hamster.. and YES according to the theory, hamsters came from a single cell lifeform like bacteria.. SO macro-evolution can suck it!
@hooseyadaddy there are thousands of processes before the cell ... i dunno your just to limited to be taken seriously fuck off back to serving in mcdonalds where you belong!!... god blesses those who work at it... in other words learning learning and learning .... thats what the brain is for... so please start using it like the rest of the adults around here!
@jammapcb i know.. so whats your point? Life should still spontaneously generate.. but it doesnt.. all you have done is yelled and proved nothing.. so good job.. lmao evo still fails at making things sexually reproductive and getting something besides bacteria from bacteria.. and takin all the way back, abiogenesis sucks a big one.. you got nothing besides variation in a speies..
@hooseyadaddy "Life should still spontaneously generate"
Actually no, even in the 1800s Naturalists realised that the natural emergence of simplest life would require stages of increasingly complex organic chemistry (after the vitalist/creationist theory of spontaneous generation was discredited) and that this process occuring with life already present would merely provide food for simple life. We can successfully recreate the steps by simulating our understanding of the Hadean conditions
@hooseyadaddy no wrong! its variation from chaos theory!... thats what the universe is! pure CHAOS!! ... for example your religions are from a tree to... split offs variations... perceptions... different rewards.. hell heaven afterlife underworld, ying and yang! ... but there are many processes before the cell... it didnt just pop up ffs... if you had done your homework ALL ELEMENTS FOR LIFE ARE HERE!!! the order, process is key to understanding from simple chemical cohesion to complex DNA.
@hooseyadaddy there are so many variations of bacteria its scary.... go look up more stuff before committing to magical sky beings (aliens are more realistic on our level)... but that would make us an intergalactic space zoo... there are species who are unisex!... which would then allow a split... because the puzzle is not complete doesnt make it bogus... sky daddy concept is not enough!.. its possible with advanced bio engineering! but evidence suggests its all natural no magic numbnut!
@hooseyadaddy the darwin theory was a good start... but since then its become far more detailed... over more time the puzzle will become more clearer and backed up with ACTUAL EVIDENCE!!!!... where your ideals are fuck the evidence the warm and fuzzy version is so much easier and nicer. lol... get a grip you lazy bastard!... religion is fucked it was from the first man/women that created it! as its based on irrational thought and nothing to back it up!.. genetics are showing the reality!
@jammapcb As opposed to the equivocal, empirical evidence that we already have, such as that there are NO records of an organism evolving into a higher taxa anywhere on the planet? When you write "ACTUAL EVIDENCE" it becomes apparent that what you mean by this is "evidence we can interpret logically into our naturalism paradigm". Everyone is subject to philosophical perceptions when concerning the origin of life, because no equivocal, empirical evidence exists pertaining to it.
@Devolutionism LOL....everything changes in this universe... its physics 1 0 1..with change comes difference.. without it life could not be so rich... a self replicating adaptive organism is a wonderful thing.. also look up chemistry and the trillians of combinations with what we have on earth... its just all to obvious aint it!!... of course you like mystery drama and self importance.. let me spell it out YOU ARE A SPECK on a SPECK in many SPECKS amongst billions of SPECKS of star dust! mmkk!
@Devolutionism monkey nuts and man nuts are the same.. only difference a few upgrades from ACTIONS!!!!!... cuase and effect smart ape become clever ape (US)...all because of a few gangs of apes who had the upper advantage... maybe it was diet or nesessity to survive bringing on a more inventive approach... thus creating a tiny extra bit of IQ.. just enough to get the snowball effect... and now today we are what we are... equally clever and retarded as a ape... funny sense of humor this god has!
@hooseyadaddy well give it time... one day your childrens children will understand how obvious and WHAT the universe is... a probability engine!! .. what will can happen.... no intent completely developed with trial and error... what works replicates what doesn't dies out..sorry no happy ending... i know you movie nuts and religious wackjobs like a good story and wonderful ending... HAHA... nature does not give a shit about any of your petty beliefs lol... if it did we would not be hard enough!
@jammapcb First off, im not a religious wackjob.. Second, is being an absolute asshole all u know how to be? U dont help your case by name calling and such, u actually hurt your case because thats all u know. Third, science actually reinforces my belief in a creator everyday. For example, crying gives no reproductive or evolutionary advantage whatsoever, yet we are the ONLY species to have developed it.. and you have yet to show evolution into higher taxa.. because thats impossible. re Lenski..
@hooseyadaddy actually i know both... thats the idea behind a mind.. it has many choices, actions, reactions and many expressive forms... how you take something is another... in my mind most are mindless automatons ... pointless without expression or to afraid to use it... its like walt disney with a pulse these topics... as if religious minds are capable of understanding the sheer variations of possibilities of a cell... that is why they prefer instant creation... its a cop out!
@hooseyadaddy ahhh sooo we were all created in 7 days... right?? so all the what 2,8 million known species (that's not counting all the others this doesn't include dinosaurs) WERE ALL MADE IN 7 DAYS... if thats the case... why are they not all on the same layer.. including us... all there is... are simple lifeforms right up to more modern improvements .. the more recent the more VARIATION!!!... do you know how long it takes to make 1 layer of sediment ... dont need JUST evolution to prove it!
@hooseyadaddy yes it does... crying has many advantages.... (or tear duct)... our eyes are shit.. compared to animals... we lost those abilities because we exercised other parts more so... just like our hearing sucks, our bite is weak... like all things in nature something has to give to enhance something else.. sometimes its an average improvement and not exactly a real way to measure the outcome.. there are TO many possibilities to predict it... ohh we aint the only ones with tear ducts lol
@jammapcb i think u just like to hear yourself talk and try n sound all smart.. give 1 concrete proven advantage.. There is none.. We are the ONLY animal to cry from emotion. I didnt say the only with tear ducts. Pay attention. And i didnt say 7 days.. stop jumping to conlusions. Im not a literal creationist. I know how old the earth is.. My point is there is no scientific evidence of an organism evolving into a higher life form.. none.. Lenski has proven that. or from asexual to sexual repro.
@hooseyadaddy eh yes but answer the 7 days myth..please what evidence is there to suggest it exists... anything at all.. instead of trying to take on dozens of disciplines that all work together like woven silk... aint that odd..you see having evidence is far better than any belief..its really helpful in .you know ..freeing yourself from biased BS.. i mean it really does encourage ppl to take you seriously... every species has DNA from other lifeforms.. there is a pattern. religion is a cop out!
@jammapcb lol dude i said im not a literal creationist.. i dont believe in the "7 days" although some say it refers to periods not literal days. There just wasnt the proper terminology back then.. there is evidence yet there are HUGE gaps like ive addressed that u nor any scientist has answers for yet i am supposed to believe its EVO.. dont think so.. thats not science. Like i said, modern science actually reinforces my beliefs.. the forces that bind our atoms for example.. cant happen by chance
@hooseyadaddy of course there will be gaps its complex stuff trying to work out the millions + of unknown species.. then they have to written down correctly in the right order with the right relations and so forth. (no long fancy words). also if you compared from darwin to now the puzzle is looking more complete than ever before... not just for that topic but across many sciences.its all coming together nicely.. that's the reason WHY people dont belief in it they know it works because of x y z!
@hooseyadaddy the ability for life to change and adapt is its grace..this fixed state is for mindless machines such as yourself. 1+1 it is not..there is no equation its that infinitely complex..what cause the change comes from the environment itself. there are so many factors for change and that includes social parts as well (even ours if you knew how an idea can change the world view).. religion is dead..its hocus pocus.. with superstitious nonsense to scare the mindless.. hook line and sinker!
@hooseyadaddy you cant debunk evo..you haven't got the IQ to do it.. nor the experience to take on the masses of overwhelming evidence of changing forms.your alternative is creation in a can. good luck proving that. I mean maybe the alien fairies plant new forms here in sets of 16 male 16 female just to make sure they breed.. but how are they programmed i wonder with instinct, attributes that fit with the natural environment and so forth... lets me honest you really are a simple creature! haha
@jammapcb all u got is insulting and belittling others when you have nothing.. My IQ is higher than most but thats not all u need. Its basic reasoning skills too, that you apparently lack.. Cant answer my points with science so you attack my faith and IQ.. Typical evo.. so go fuck yourself and then come back with a valid and coherent counter-point based on facts..
@hooseyadaddy its not insulting its just obvious..you have to be brain dead to believe any of that prattle in the past... how would they possibly know anything without real processes to PROVE it can operate with nothing more than rocks, sticks and superstition lol.come on you cant be serious lol...if there is no (man made badly described god)..which there cant be as its just BS..and there is only natural law...what is the universe exactly... there is a god or no god any more alt's to then that?
@hooseyadaddy i have 1 fact no variation = no life... stagnant water is of no use to variation... physics always changing... is that enough info for your silicon cells... or are you still away with the fairies!
@hooseyadaddy you dont know how old the earth is... nobody does... and old tribal stories are FAAAARRR from the truth lol... i mean the idea of it is just beyond daft hahah
@jammapcb if evolution does not exist..and the only thing you can attempt to do badly is somehow in your head think you have the answer lol... the alternative is...bio engineering... possible 3rd party aliens altering natural laws to suit themselves.or a bio factory not far away..where they plant NEW LIFEFORMS that could adapt at all only with visual changes..EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING everything that follows that HAS to follow suit!!.. its not that hard to figure out!
@hooseyadaddy god is the only conceivable ideal from a linear mind about a first cause... few on this planet are breaking out of this mindless automaton state... we are born we die... thus start and end...linear measurable outcome...we are linear thus our thoughts and ideas are to... ask any physicist and they really are on another perceptive plain..of course you are talking about a universe and not about existence.. time is a false perception.. its simply a measurement which explains nothing!
@hooseyadaddy Lenski a few experiment. vs mother nature. a trillian x a trillian x a trillian x a trillian x a trillian and on and on for 3.5 billion years of chemical soup of which are even more combinations of chemical cohesion..basic proteins all the way to a cell..the only issue with this is you cannot create life with tools... it is born out of chaos..billions of failures and we are the remains of what works. if you can't get that part.... plz keep your superstitious beliefs within church.
@jammapcb a few experiments? Lmao. the generational cycle of the bacteria is so fast that you get trillions of new bacteria. Now, compare that to say, how quickly humans evolved, the bacteria, if im remembering correctly, shouldve evolved 35,000x faster but they didnt. They never will, because it will not go to a higher taxa. That was a legit experiment, nothing spectacular happened but i know, u dont like science that contradicts evo. Btw that exp. occurs naturally everyday and still nothing!
@hooseyadaddy eh you mean the every 15+ min duplication time.. but that's just a cell... mothernature would be doing this at a far greater variation in a very large lab with conditions for more diverse than any lab... that's the point... dude that experiment doesn't show anything lol... are you really retarded or something lol.... your comparing a man to a cell... in some respects we do multiply 9 months vs 15mins (in ideal conditions and type of bacteria)... and that disproves evolution wtf lol
@jammapcb ehh.. didnt we come from just cell according to u? Moron..and if u listened i said nature carries out this "experiment" everyday with no results even close to what u suggest. And im not against evo entirely but at many points it breaks down and is just nonsense. The theory is wrong in many many places.. again, crying provides no reproductive advantage.. u are too stupid, cynical and insulting to even listen and address my points..
@jammapcb oh.. so now we didnt evolve from a cell?.. idiot, experiments have shown, and nature has shown, that there is no evidence of anything evolving into a higher taxa.. none... anything close to a circulatory system being developed today? no.. 2 to 3 to 4 chamber heart? no... logically, what minute steps make that happen without killing the animal? there are none..
@jammapcb no apparently u dont.. just insulting people doesnt prove ur points.. u have yet to address a single point and provide a valid counter point backed by scientific evidence. not some story how it "couldve happened".. and for the last time i am not a literal creationist u fucking moron! Listen for one time in ur fucking life. and evo if taken all the way back is an attempt to "prove" random formation of life without a creator. although we all know abiogenesis is a crock..
you and I are not important.you are the all singing crap of the world.you are a speck on a speck amongst billions of specks amongst billions of more specks in a larger speck which in turn is within even more specks and for ever and ever fractal concept of existence.break your ape like thoughts before I scream blue fuck because you cannot admit your limits.you can't even comprehend the complexity of maths never mind chemical variation.to me your not even at the domestic science teacher level! lol
@jammapcb no i do know the math, i know the complexity, do i need to write the equation down? Ur right there are trillions upon trillions of combinations of chemicals, temp, pressure, gravity, physics of the atom etc etc.. but only ONE way for it to all work and exist.. just one.. and if it wasnt right the FIRST time, nothing would exist, nothing would ever form.. but see i do know that the odds against life are overwhelming, more zeros at the end of that equation than our universe is old..
@hooseyadaddy you see your still using a limitation on a linear path..a first cause... there is no first cause... by its own admission shows limitation... existence and universe are not the same thing..god is a primitive work used for what we do not know..how would we know... its arrogant to use such pretend authorities when clearly man hasn't a clue to any of it... science has to use what can work within reason.. no fairy tales or mystery needed.. but down to earth disciplines with cold facts!
@jammapcb u just said man hasnt a clue.. yet u say for a fact it wasnt god..hypocrite.. no fairytales!!! lmao over half of evo is a fairytale! Stupid stories till fill in the blanks and then regurgitated as facts! why did we transition from asexual to sexual? Why did most animals lose that ability? Id say retaining it would ensure reproduction.. ie the whiptail lizard and other parthenogenic animals.. they have variation with sexual repro. and a back up if they cant find a mate.. contradicts evo
@hooseyadaddy in the big sense of things yes..there is still so much more to learn. if for a moment you would get off your soap box you would know this..scientific disciplines are designed to remove to much emotional blindness to what reality is... you want to skip all that hardwork which so fits well together for tribal concepts with NOTHING to back any of their madness up..in essence you are irrational in mind... just like they were back then.. glad science is here to stay it keeps us honest!
@hooseyadaddy do m8 a fact is where many sources prove a point... if they were false... peer review would of kicked them out.... go and try and spin your fantasies at a peer review board ... you HAVE NO IDEA how hard it is to prove a fact... years of research...many hours work.... lots of thinking, observation and study.... your kind are always looking for the easy route and in all that self delusion...think that some sand scripts will lead you to something wonderful.. u like the easy route!
@jammapcb dude.. peer review and a scientific "consensus" does not mean FACT.. Sooo many things in evo are indemonstratable, unobserved, and unproven.. yet spouted as fact. Its more of a faith than science. Im not saying evo is totally wrong, just totally wrong in some aspects.. again, evo aside, the physical impossibility of our universe coming from chaos the first time, defies all logic
@hooseyadaddy you know there are species who are unisex... just like a cell... it replicates itself... then later on splits into 2 opposing sexes (ying and yang).. then its past on to many of the offspring who some split into make female and the others do not... i mean its not really that hard to work out... i bet many failures came about.. but those that succeeded are around today... 99+% failure rate 1% success... cant you see the evidence for that like the 99% of failed species... ;0)
@hooseyadaddy again you do not know math.if you did you could see the answer and know its only a matter of possibilities that will produce X.there is no need for control..it is unrelenting outcome that makes this perceptive reality so damn interesting. the shear drama and so called conspiracy is where your illusions lye .you have nothing but assumption on a first cause as your only understanding yet tiresome conclusion is the number 1... a start and a end..again.I can prove I exist but not you!
odds are used by creationists in the most amusing ways.you think 1 in a trillian is something important... lol.... life will come about with odds far greater than that ..1 in a trillian is less than a nano meter of 3D space HAHA!!!!! ..think again..the universe is sea of chemical and atomic interaction the actual maths is === not capable of calculating any of it..its deeper than fixed measurments..it is the point where we cannot see or be or even exist... the real question is .. WHY BOTHER!!
@hooseyadaddy all the materials are here... all the chaos is here... everything changes.. a trillian ways to make a construct (or material as our eyes see).. I wonder why you cant comprehend existence without a controller... I mean that is something us lowly beings need to do... religion and texts reek of megalomanics and power hungry nutters... aint that odd... your not after truth but control ... for all the hoes at home .. YOU ARE OUT OF CONTROL like EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE!.. cool huh!
@hooseyadaddy what is the alternative to creation in a can or alien bio farmers from the alternative dimension who trun up drop off some creates of new and improved bio species then vanish into thin air... EVO is the only VIABLE answer to the richness of life.. this factory preset mentality has no merit, nothing at all .. so if in your words its not EVO or instant fantastical creation myths.. what is the alternative... I'm thinking along the lines of singular conscious that dictates reality! me!
@jammapcb oh, and to answer, God or whatever u want to call it, can act through natural processes to create the things we see. Because nothing can come from utter chaos, especially order and constant and binding laws, and where evo fails, something else has to be the answer.. again, in all of your ramblings u have still yet to address a single point with a valid counter point based on observable facts..
@hooseyadaddy you say evo is nonsense but i put that down to lack of understanding or the basic fundamentals of change... without change this universe would be meaningless... it is everything.. from cause and effect... because we do not understand its will... is not an excuse to fill in a gap with a label that seems the only answer... like i said linear minds require a no1 ... machines require the same answer... god = unknown... if your honest about it .. your humble about it...
@hooseyadaddy I am still waiting for an answer that is backed up against change!...lol... you still have nothing but pie in the sky faith... 15k years of BS.. will not work anymore!
@hooseyadaddy ummm your the one making some claims about... the magical sky god hypoth (yes a theory is an actual WORKING MODEL not best guess! lol) .... so you have to back up your claims with broken logic (or missing pieces) and thus you conclude it must be wrong thus it has to be a religious viewpoint(a major fail in any discipline)... I'm still waiting sweet heart!!!! .. well... what is the alternative to evolution in a practical sense... something alot of ppl have overlooked! ...
all life mutates and breaks down... some survive... that is change... some traits are passed on some neutral ... 0 for negative 1=positive ,2 neutral .. you can add active and not active to that as well, so there are more outcomes, then all the combinations of chemicals, cause and effect, temperature, radiation, time, location, energy source, threats or food source enhancers on and on it goes...... fuck we haven't even begun to realise how many factors there are to chemical outcomes have we?
and u say no god exists.. evo is proof.. but i say, look at physics and the forces that bind our atoms and universe, random chance is mathematically impossible.
@hooseyadaddy i didnt say a god didnt exist.. i said its all BS man made nonsense! made by tribes high on smack and drugs... you wont even know the assholes who wrote this stuff!... and there is you thinking you know something about WHY religion was invented.. that includes the piss poor descriptions of uber ideals for children...
@hooseyadaddy oooo i know why you hate evo... because it makes your fairy tale book look ... eh primitive is the work i think!... well you want truth for what it is.. not some warm and fuzzy delusion of grandeur!
@hooseyadaddy lol... you have an astounding ego... religious people tend to do that... you are a dot in this existence of real importance unless you buy into the religion for your own emotional gratification a root of selfish means...have you ever thought that if there is a god... it would give a flying fuck for you! lol... your not important.. get over it! and actually go do some field research and actual tests then you might just a moment be enlightened to the complexity and richness of nature
@jammapcb i have the astounding ego.. Ur the fucking moron that wont listen and continues to ramble with your chaos bullshit to understand i am not a LITERAL creationist! Stuff was put into motion billions of years ago to reach what we have now, US.. if none of that happened before, all we see would NOT be possible... u have yet to address a single point without the chaos shit u spout.. so give me real science showing proof discounting what i say..
we, US are not important..your under this guise of self importance as if all of this is just for US... your always implying intent, a purpose..if there is one thing constant in this universe its quite the opposite of our pathetic attempt to control everything..I am still waiting for an alternative to EVO... I've given you a few...everything is chaos ... EVERYTHING!!!!! that is why it is so varied .. the opposite of chaos is order.. order is what we SEE.. and chaos in its real detail u don't!
"put into motion billions of years ago"..don't you mean change. motion does not exist either.. only change!.. time motion all of it is just our perceptions telling us its moving..its not moving at all just a reaction of change in atoms and electrons..it looks real it feels real... but even us are just changing as we speak... as I type this the keyboard is changing due to interaction, the cables themselves are changing due it electrons.. that is all there is..what we perceive is the end effect!
@jammapcb again u fucking moron that cant comprehend a single sentence.. I wasnt talkin about a cell but the formation and expansion of our universe and the laws that bind it that make all this possible.."motion does not exist either.. only change!" idiot.. u dont get "change" without motion or a passage of time. because if motion ceases so does time u fucking idiot!!! therefor no "change"! from nothing comes nothing. no "time/motion"= no "change" im done with u... u cant even grasp that..
@hooseyadaddy ahhh expansion.can we be so certain.. the evidence of the red shift says so right... but when you see there are billions of stars can we really be certain they are spreading further apart..I mean the tests are local (a couple of thousand light years maybe) .relative to the universe there is still not enough data... it could be just local..and who knows maybe physics is not so fixed (that would be rather limiting).its all about how far we can reach. the next 100 years are exciting!
@hooseyadaddy its all illusion m8y... these dam primate limitations ... oh and there is no such thing as nothing... its always atomic in nature... even beyond that.. its still something... nothing to something is linear and retarded... there has always been something... like i said existence and universe are not the same thing!
@jammapcb u know. u should be a politician. u say more shit without actually saying anything of substance better than anyone i have ever known. u even beat out Obama lmao again, ur "change" can suck it cause u dont get change without motion. without motion there is no time, therefor there will never be a change..sorry i stopped at just the seed.. i was making a point which i still cant grasp.. and yes expansion.. without it galaxies and planets couldnt have formed. im done, ur just a wordy idiot
@hooseyadaddy so you except change now!...its good to be honest.... thus evolution it is the only way for life to survive through this madness .... the alternative is crude and created (ahem).. by automatons... life's ability and outcome is all on the stimulation it has ... now that's grace!!... not your factory ideals!... but then again maybe it is bio engineered..... 99% of the species are extinct .... and no god would make such a fuckup!... right
@jammapcb god damn ur a fucking moron! Its not that i "accept" not except.. idiot.. i know things change. i was arguing against ur previous point about motion doesnt exist just change. well what u failed to grasp is that without motion there can be no change! jimminy christmas.. no motion=no time no time=no change that’s my point.im gullible? u believe in a theory that cant prove most of what it tries to. just wild stories.. if we r to accept evo is true, than the theory of "how" is way off
@hooseyadaddy i do grasp alot of things... i just cant believe how gullible you are... lol...intelligence and wisdom... are amazing things no doubt... but being aware of the outcomes of ones actions before they are put into action has far more natural advantages from a survival perspective.... the difference between could and should... if you like the factory bio engineered route go ahead... I find it limiting and more like the truman show and not what the evidence suggests something far better!
@hooseyadaddy the amount of bacteria is insignificant to the amount of possibilities of a moment in a much more detailed look on just a few proteins... you do not get it.... and it's clearly your issue not mine!
@hooseyadaddy if you dont know something do not pretend to fill in the gaps with BS.. it is better not to say anything at all... me personally i think your the illusion!! everything is illusion... no gods or kings just weak minded mentally challenged bi-pedals !! ;0) ... or like u said its wonder magic and we all live in the wizard of oz meets truman show... either way you have no solid articles or anything that produces doubt in the process called fucking CHANGE!!!!!
@hooseyadaddy Life should still spontaneously generate.. it does right now...the problem is our timing lol.... i mean listen to yourself.. lol..sorry m8 your just to retarded to deal with... I cant explain this science stuff to you... you are to brainwashed and well..pretty much a evolutionary dead end... and nature does prune out the dead ends so well..sorry no happy endings....if you are confident in your amazing proofs lol.. then write an article to disprove EVO.. watch it get ripped apart!
@hooseyadaddy If you can only argue against evolution by misrepresenting it then on some level you must already know you have no case.
Hamsters are all related to one another and to all other rodents, mammals, amniotes etc well before resembling bacteria and an exception to this is evidence AGAINST evolution. Claiming that bacteria directly spawns an already existing lifeform is plain out lying or stupidity with no lighter alternative.
@hooseyadaddy it needs more replication and trillians of more ENVIRONMENTAL factors... like i said lab vs planet... aint no competition...i mean i am still waiting for the alternative truth (whatever u call it) .. a bio factory with billions of lifeforms all planted here... and then 99.9% of them extinct in ??k years... is that what your getting at... where's the evidence for it! ... still waiting for the god knows how many times lol... inbred swine!
@hooseyadaddy do you even grasp what 3.5 billion years is...lets split that down to say an inch of matter over a billion years...the SHEAR outcome and possibilites are FOR evolution not against it... its not random but what works within physics. What are physics another opposite to chaos a partial order (which we perceive as anyways).. its still chaos and through all that our type of life is just 1 possible VIABLE outcome within these restrictions!... to say nothing changes is just so hickville!
@hooseyadaddy so what your saying is A everything is a preset and thats that... guess what there is 0 evidence to suggest that... why because if that was the case LIFE would not work... life is diverse and connected to the cell in each and every way... some have additions some do not... to say god just did it shows how mentally limited you really are... there is far more to this than a cop off like that... IF u want to go through life with that fine...I just think your ignorant of nature!
@hooseyadaddy you need an education and to observe such things in nature first.... get out of the mythical crazy wild claims of religion and do some real hard work. You'll see far more than a bunch of words made by sheep gropers!... fucking ppl always think the past has more answers ... EVOLVE you dumb ape (you and I are apes) before your offspring regret having you as a parent!
@jammapcb lol address my points.. evolution can not explain those things.. its good for finches beaks.. not for circulatory systems, sexual reproduction and the like.. do explain how an asexual organism can produce something other than itself? and again, why hasnt new life been created in what? 3.5 billion years? Earth is perfect for life now.. Yet nothing..
@hooseyadaddy if you could live that long or use time travel you would know! (time is an illusion and change allows us to measure it but as it is no rule can really exist..because a beginning makes no sense to existence). like i said many minds on this planet think linear.they are conditioned to, dictated by it...ruled by it..and everything you try to process will always be in vein..we are linear thus we think the universe follows suit... how arrogant you are to think you control existence lol!
@hooseyadaddy jebus in 3.5 billion years the mathematical possibilities for multiple diversity on a massive scale (that's just this sphere)...ever atom interacting like a ballet the amount of outcomes in just a square MM over 3.5 billion years is just..well lets say your mind would be fucked to deal with just 1 second of it.. there is that many interactions..now take that planet side... and if you know anything about maths or chaos... life HAS TO occur from base elements... it is simply obvious!
@hooseyadaddy ahh so if you cant explain something or need it explaining to you... you say la la la... there are many things we do not understand... but at least the scientists are not being biased like faith dwelling minds... religion does not work you fuckwit...15000 years of this BS... and yet nothing to show from it.. debunked ... dethroned .. complete madness and not very practical.. god is a word to describe everything that is unknown.. today though ppl work to understand unknowns..simplz!
@hooseyadaddy why are there species that are omnisex... cells have no sex... and why are tribal texts obsessed with a god that is male lol such lables denotes a sex... a reproductive system .... god is not a he or she... would a it be more sufficient to say IT... of course men wrote this garbage as IT cannot be related to... and as it was a male dominated culture IT became HE.... there is nothing you have that makes any sense.. or is based on observation and within a FAIR humble understanding
@hooseyadaddy I am still waiting for the alternative to EVO ... creationism is just a joke lol... intelligent design (sorry its not that intelligent) 99% of species are extinct.. not to good is it (that's the down and upside of chaos and limited space).. good things happen to bad ppl, bad things to good... no rules, just cause and effect!
@hooseyadaddy apes were put here for a laugh right lol..i mean talk about the blind leading the blind... we are related to apes not directly but we are a split off from a common ancestor.the evidence is overwhelming and not just from a clinical test either.but a social one.spend less time in fairy tale books and actually go out and EXPERIENCE nature face to face. I wouldn't recommend going near silver backs in the mating season..they tend to think your gonna fuck their misses.. sound familiar!
@hooseyadaddy your kind always want it easy... like it all just happened with magic.. nothing to do with chaos..its all drama and intent ..WE DO THAT... IT DOES NOT NEED SOME trivial methods... this existence is nothing more than a probability system so complex its obvious that it requires no superstitious beliefs to appreciate its grace... evo is used in drugs and medicines.. IF IT WAS NONSENSE it would not work at all... but here is the real question what good is creationism for medical use!
@hooseyadaddy face it m8 you just do not know enough!... or have experienced enough of the OBSERVATION <<< hint hint... to make any conclusions (this is always altering as truth can NEVER be obtained if your honesy about it).. all you want is happy land where the instant planet in a can theory is for POLITICAL reason and not truth... nothing in this life is easy... yet you except this linear beginning concept as if it was a walk in the park... your a fool ... religion is old and OUTDATED!!!
@jammapcb chaos can not give us the forces that bind our atoms and universe.. tweak it a minute degree any way and none of this exists.. matter expands in all directions and never forms.. so we just got i right the first time against all the odds..? cause it has been calculated.. if the expansion was wrong just once we get NOTHING.. so we just hit the Universe megaball the first time? btw u need to get the christian god and religion out of your mind.. because humans wrote it and got A LOT wrong.
@hooseyadaddy got it right the first time.... what... you still do not get it!!! first time lol... sorry m8 it does not work like that... are you saying that cell just popped up like that... go look up the a cross section of a cell... there are thousands of processes before that...:0)
have you ever wondered why they think a atom is a sphere... when you stack spheres together... the gaps inbetween ... what do you think might be there... anti matter maybe! or a force for it to flow
if your not one of those sad hack creationists trying to use science to justify their religious beliefs ... then you must be of the bio engineering cult.. aliens... other 3rd party factors... (god we wont even go there as there is no way to prove that concept)..a god definition is its strength (all powerful).. but at the same time its weakest.. why because its all to fluffy...and a god well it must be boring as shit to KNOW everything.. maybe that is why ppl suck up a god... they like the ideal!
this is not a first universe... we have to assume that part!.. its the only one we know of... there are probably all sorts of freaky alternatives.. or maybe we all trapped in another universe in a marble collection owned by aliens .. yeah that's it... i believe it so it must be so!
not just xtian gods... all the 8000+ versions of it to... OMG... social evolution can it be... its following the same outcome.... many first ideals ... CHANGING into even more diverse gods and religions... much like a branch of a tree amongst a vast forest of trees... so many different outcomes from the same constructs ... wow... think about it!
@jammapcb but a tree comes from a "seed".. whatever kind of tree it is a seed has to be planted in the beginning.. so call the seed "it" "god" or whatever you wish but they are all rooted in the same thing from the same thing.. every civilization has believed in spirits.. im not saying any one is correct but the concept is...
@hooseyadaddy nope again your trying to fill in gaps with no proof..your having a hard time comprehending the many steps between the proteins right up to what you define as seed.what is a seed but a collection of cells. the tricky part is understanding why they are together separated from other cells..a huge step from singular to collective bio diversity.. but to fill it in with something without fully understanding its process... leads to presumption .you need mental discipline not emotion!
@hooseyadaddy tweak it... the only way to prove this is to make your own universe.. but of course we cant can we... that is why you need a god concept.... just to feel powerful and useful.... but really we are specks... really tiny in all of this... so the only real option is to make a purpose for ourselves.. be it religion, politics, creativity etc.... its the distraction of it all that makes me suspect of ... where are we going exactly... whats the point.. it serves nothing... yet we are here!
if evolution is true, then what happend with our all weather outter coating of hair? monkeys and apes still have them.. So did we invent clothes before we needed them? or did we only invent them after we lost this protection? So my question is, why would we have lost it in the first place? seems like a disadvantage...
@hooseyadaddy The best theory we have on why we lost our hair is due to poor grooming. The idea is that through our evolutionary history, we took care of our hair poorly and didn't groom each other of parasites like we see monkeys doing to each other. Natural selection quickly began to thin out our heavily-haired ancestors and began to favor those of us with less hair.
@hooseyadaddy Its not the "nappy hair" that kills you, its the parasites that thrive in the unclean hair. But how about looking down at your arm? You still have vestigial erector muscles under ever hair on your arm and the hair itself has become almost vestigial. Why do you think that is? God designed us with thousands and thousands of useless muscles, or, we once were covered in hair that served as protection, but for some reason, natural selection began to favor individuals with less hair.
@fuzzy711 really? You have any sciencific evidence for that? Plenty of other animals have hair and dont pluck things off eachother.. the most common parasites associated are fleas and lice which wont kill you.. so why do we still have hair on our heads, arms, and pubic region?.. why does the hair on our head grow so much longer than our cousins? So our hair genes slowly mutated for no real reason and no real environmental pressures.. what did the first one lose? 1 hair? 30? all at once?...
@hooseyadaddy Really? You're asking me for scientific evidence? Someone who doesn't believe in evolution is asking me for scientific evidence? I hope you realize that the evidence that evolution happens is about as strong as the evidence that the holocaust happened.
And other animals have ways of grooming themselves, think of a cat licking itself, the point it, they have methods of staying clean, the theory is that we didn't. You obviously have no real knowledge about how evolution works.
@fuzzy711 yes really. wheres the evidence for that claim? i dont believe everything we are told no, parts of it are true.. so for millenia we groomed ourselves then just stopped?.. yeah i dont think so.. people with dreads reproduce just fine.. u dont know how it works so u make up absurd stories to fit it.. if we were so bad at cleanig ourselves then why was hair retained in those regions? why does our hair get so long compared to chimps if we were so bad at cleaning oursleves?..
@hooseyadaddy All you need to know is that we shared a common ancestor with chimps, and for some reason, natural selection started choosing for those of us that had less body hair then others. That much we know as scientific truth, as to what exactly caused our hair to be a detriment, we can only speculate. You asked, I gave you the top theory.
Why are you comparing us to chimps anyways? You don't think we evolved from chimps do you?
@hooseyadaddy Actually corn wasn't "just corn" read Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma there's a chapter on how it evolved. And the banana was a banana before but not the same as the ones we currently eat, non-domesticated bananas are full of seeds, which you can google. This isn't something that could have occured by any other means than evolution.
@hooseyadaddy Also yes the foxes are still foxes, but tail length, cranial structure and it's nueral structure changed, and this is only about 60 years of selective breeding, if this occured for thousands of more years we'd easily get another species. And within the silver fox experiment, one "species" would diverge and evolve to become 2 other species. One being more docile, thus having different brian structures, meaning different cranial structures.
You were doing GREAT! You came across as well educated and easy to understand. Very nice!! But... You don't really understand, do you? Rhetorical question! Next time, leave out the Noah flood thing and the term Darwinism. Don't you think that we would have found some evidence to a world wide flood? Since you like to sound intelligent, calculate the amount of water it would take to flood the Earth and how much of that water would be in the atmosphere. What would all that water do?
How can you refute Darwinism...... there is no such thing. That would be like me trying to refute the theory of Hobokinism (the theory that everything comes from hobokin). It's pointless to disagree with something that never existed in the first place
Boy do you fail in this video. Allready the tag "darwinism", that is a stupid word used by creationists, it doesnt exist in science. But your biggest fail is"bacteria are still bacteria". Wow, do you know how many species of bacteria exist ? Thats about as stupid as stating a mammal is allways a mammal and not suddenly a reptile. Nowhere in science anybody states that a bacteria suddenly become ssomething completely different. Macro evolution is simply a lot of micro evolution and much time
I didn't know you could put so much misinformation in a video under eleven minutes. Biological evolution is not the change in the frequency of different genes. It is the change in frequency of alleles in populations. The nested hierarchy that molecular biology shows is more than enough evidence to make it a very well established theory. No real scientists call it Darwinism. That's just silly. Darwin was right about some things and wrong about others.
To turn this around, Do you consider creationism / ID is a fact? How do you go about proving this fact? Do you agree that ID invokes a designer but falls short of identifying this intelligence? If you don't identify the agency are you open for multiple definitions of what it could be? How many possibilities do you have for a possible designer?
The Hypohippus lived 17 - 11 million years ago. Why would you bring that up when you believe in Noah flood some 4000 years ago? And if you believe in that, wouldn't you believe the earth is less the 10,000 years old? So, bring up a horse like animal from 17 - 11 million years ago doesn't really seem logical.
I thought the Christian god didn't like liars? if this is the case, and the Christian god does exist, then the makers of this video are in need of some serious groveling and begging for forgiveness. Liars go to hell and burn for all eternity.... better hope your god doesn't exist, eh?
Macro evolution is a psuedoscience created by creatards! The only distinction between macro and micro is time. We also don't need to observe it happening, we just need to examine the results and all results point towards what you call macro evolution.
maskofsan1ty 2 months ago
6:43 what a load of bollox!... noah missed out kangaroos lol and the other 2 million +species... the religious are retards!...
jammapcb 6 months ago
why are you so slow... would of answered all this by now... well come on this is the point of existence to EXPLORE the possible outcomes of cause and effect... I ask for an alternative... and I get... a "I dunno".. "not sure"... "cant think outside a box to save my life".. "i think I'm brainwashed both ways"... "i need to experience actual science before slagging it off"... "i hate evo because it conflicts with my tribal texts of which I understand nothing about them AT ALL!!".. i could go on!
jammapcb 6 months ago
we are going to experience an exercise of the mind called improvisation ... its a wonderful exercise.. frees the mind up from all these democratic ideals... try it ... who knows where it might lead ;0)
jammapcb 6 months ago
I am still waiting for your alternative to EVO... well come on??? ... I have a whole list of possibilities to list on the fly.... they havent entered my mind yet... I am actually waiting for some original ideas not BELIEFS!!! they aint worth a pot to piss in..
jammapcb 6 months ago
i want to know where this factory is that makes billions of species that all die out in only what 10000 years... and they think a god is involved... your really are primitive screwheads... the religious are pointless... humility its not, stupidity and childish ideals it is!
jammapcb 6 months ago
LOL he quotes conservapedia. Instant fail.
Pomaori 7 months ago
@Tickly21 Micro and macro evolution is actually the same thing only creationists use this term as they invented it." Are you able to substantiate such a claim?
"Microevolutionary theories are gradualistic explanatory mechanisms that biologists use to account for the origin and evolution of macroevolutionary adaptations and variation." -Douglas Theobald, Ph.D "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution."
In other words, more circular reasoning.
In other words, circular reasoning.
Devolutionism 7 months ago
The second can never be correct.
Evolution is not defined as change through time. Turning over an hour glass is not the evolution of sand. This video is completely idiotic.
Evolution is the changing of living systems over time through natural selection by way of variation and mutation.
WOW you deny speciation. Speciation has been observed in sexually reproducing living systems. Micro and macro evolution have been observed in nature. You're an idiot.
jib1000 8 months ago
@jib1000 "Micro and macro evolution have been observed in nature." Only in a circulatory reasoned sort of way.
Devolutionism 7 months ago
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To clarify, I meant macro evolution has not been observed.
Devolutionism 7 months ago
@jib1000 "Evolution is not defined as change through time." By evolution I assume you mean evolved taxa, which was his purpose for using the generalization "in a broad sense", since that's essentially what it is, right? "...changing of living systems..." is still CHANGE albeit more specific.
Devolutionism 7 months ago
@Devolutionism By evolution i mean evolution. There aren't twenty different kinds, just the one. When people say things like "computers evolved a lot over the last decade" they shouldn't use the word evolve.
This video is still idiotic and it still denies scientifically proven facts, like speciation and evolution.
jib1000 7 months ago
This video is stupid in so many ways..
Stevoukos 9 months ago
Shameless propaganda at its worst. The creator of this video understand what evolution is, but is either so dishonest or self deluded that he ends up completely misrepresenting what evolution is and what is known about it. There are observations of large scale evolution via the fossil record. Micro and macro evolution are actually the same thing, only creationists use this term as they invented it. There is no debate among relevant scholars in the field. Chemists are not relevant scholars.
Ticky21 9 months ago
The truth of God? Which God?
gamesbok 11 months ago
@hooseyadaddy These are only the ones that I had off the top of my head too. We also have a whole line of fossils that all match up with one another, as well as genetic data that matches up perfectly with conclusions from this scientific evidence. In regards to a cell though, cells have become increasingly complex over time, current cells are nothing like primitive cells from billions of years ago. The idea of irreducible complexity has constantly been debunked in science and in the court of law
IndependentMario 1 year ago
In addition to all of this, still. There is large agreement within the scientific community about this subject. The only countries and people that have a problem with evolution are those that are much more religiously affiliated. And even with all this, what's the purpose, isn't God supposed to be more based on faith rather than reason? I mean, I honestly can't believe we're in the 21st century and we're still having arguments about evolution.
IndependentMario 1 year ago
Macroevolution hasn't been observed? How about the domestication of the banana and corn? The silver fox experiment showing the change over generations of animals becoming more doglike and having changed skull size and width, as well as tail length? And as for the Noah's Ark response in the video, that would have literally been impossible, and I hope no one actually believes that, I mean that statement alone should have removed all reliability on this video
IndependentMario 1 year ago
@IndependentMario did those become anything othe than bananas and corn? dogs are still dogs.. etc.. all that is is a variation of a species.. lets breed dogs to grow wings.. lets breed reptiles that mutate a 4 chambered heart.. or a fish that mutates a three chambered one.. or a fish from anything else.. or a multicellular sexuall reproductive organism from a unicellular asexual one.. not gonna happen.. yet domestication of bananas is some how proof of this? I think ur bananas...
hooseyadaddy 1 year ago
@hooseyadaddy dogs are not still dogs... the difference between wolf and dog is very wide and over a small period of time... imagine that process over 1 million years.... doesnt take a genius to work it out.... evolution is a solid process and ideally suited to universal law.things change so does culture and social conditioning.. if you think that religion is fixed and outside of this oooo are you so wrong.everything changes thats what freewill IS. evolution is a apart of that!! live with it!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@jammapcb um yes they are.. and what is it with evolutionists as if somehow adding millions of years makes something more probable?.. Get something other than bacteria from bacteria.. Get an asexual organism to become sexual.. Get a fish to mutate a different circulatory system.. then come talk to me.. truth is.. itll never happen.. no matter how long i wait.. And oh yeah, why isnt new life constantly being created?.. Never again in 3.5billion years?... hmmm....
hooseyadaddy 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy so the alternative with evidence is..made in a factory millions of species last so long (under 10k years and die out) well thats just fucking amazing..and you say a god did this lol please your talking obsolute shit... the other thing is "why isnt life being created".it is right now you ignorant atomaton.. your offspring, animal offspring what you think that is apart of CHANGE!!! frequency of outcome... each of us (well some of us improve on the prev gen) in your case deevolved!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@jammapcb if youd stop to think... u ignorant atomaton.. no new life has spontaneously generated.. and in all of lenski's experiments he still had bacteria.. It will never become a higher lifeform! End of story! Evolution debunked right there! atleast part of it. Going from simple to advanced multicellular life. but life at a simple or complex level will change, within its class.
hooseyadaddy 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy wrong!!!... 1 experiment nature had 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999942 experiments x 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 to obtain the unique change in many different conditions!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy your conclusion sucks!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy well 10k years 99 percent extinction does that sound like its made by a god... silly person!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy if we are talking about probability its FOR it not against it... thats where you all get it wrong!... The more experiments per nm square = more outcomes ... more outcomes from basic proteins will increase in quantity from there to another process and so forth... to say flat out its bollox shows your ignorance to chemistry!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy "no new life has spontaneously generated"
That would contradict the principle of common descent
" and in all of lenski's experiments he still had bacteria"
He also had evolution, including increased fitness, new traits and inreases in information. Everything creationists say is impossible. You seem to expect them to turn into hamsters or something, but they won't. That is what evolutionary theory says in impossible. So creationism fails once again in both interpretations
ProcInc 10 months ago
@ProcInc and evolution.. even evolution if traced all they way back leads to more than one original life form spontaneously generating.. It had to have.. so if it happened then.. It should still happen especially now.. and i said things change within its class! All im saying is bacteria will never be anything but that.. Not that it will change into a hamster.. and YES according to the theory, hamsters came from a single cell lifeform like bacteria.. SO macro-evolution can suck it!
hooseyadaddy 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy there are thousands of processes before the cell ... i dunno your just to limited to be taken seriously fuck off back to serving in mcdonalds where you belong!!... god blesses those who work at it... in other words learning learning and learning .... thats what the brain is for... so please start using it like the rest of the adults around here!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@jammapcb i know.. so whats your point? Life should still spontaneously generate.. but it doesnt.. all you have done is yelled and proved nothing.. so good job.. lmao evo still fails at making things sexually reproductive and getting something besides bacteria from bacteria.. and takin all the way back, abiogenesis sucks a big one.. you got nothing besides variation in a speies..
hooseyadaddy 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy "Life should still spontaneously generate"
Actually no, even in the 1800s Naturalists realised that the natural emergence of simplest life would require stages of increasingly complex organic chemistry (after the vitalist/creationist theory of spontaneous generation was discredited) and that this process occuring with life already present would merely provide food for simple life. We can successfully recreate the steps by simulating our understanding of the Hadean conditions
ProcInc 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy no wrong! its variation from chaos theory!... thats what the universe is! pure CHAOS!! ... for example your religions are from a tree to... split offs variations... perceptions... different rewards.. hell heaven afterlife underworld, ying and yang! ... but there are many processes before the cell... it didnt just pop up ffs... if you had done your homework ALL ELEMENTS FOR LIFE ARE HERE!!! the order, process is key to understanding from simple chemical cohesion to complex DNA.
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy there are so many variations of bacteria its scary.... go look up more stuff before committing to magical sky beings (aliens are more realistic on our level)... but that would make us an intergalactic space zoo... there are species who are unisex!... which would then allow a split... because the puzzle is not complete doesnt make it bogus... sky daddy concept is not enough!.. its possible with advanced bio engineering! but evidence suggests its all natural no magic numbnut!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy the darwin theory was a good start... but since then its become far more detailed... over more time the puzzle will become more clearer and backed up with ACTUAL EVIDENCE!!!!... where your ideals are fuck the evidence the warm and fuzzy version is so much easier and nicer. lol... get a grip you lazy bastard!... religion is fucked it was from the first man/women that created it! as its based on irrational thought and nothing to back it up!.. genetics are showing the reality!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@jammapcb As opposed to the equivocal, empirical evidence that we already have, such as that there are NO records of an organism evolving into a higher taxa anywhere on the planet? When you write "ACTUAL EVIDENCE" it becomes apparent that what you mean by this is "evidence we can interpret logically into our naturalism paradigm". Everyone is subject to philosophical perceptions when concerning the origin of life, because no equivocal, empirical evidence exists pertaining to it.
Devolutionism 7 months ago
@Devolutionism LOL....everything changes in this universe... its physics 1 0 1..with change comes difference.. without it life could not be so rich... a self replicating adaptive organism is a wonderful thing.. also look up chemistry and the trillians of combinations with what we have on earth... its just all to obvious aint it!!... of course you like mystery drama and self importance.. let me spell it out YOU ARE A SPECK on a SPECK in many SPECKS amongst billions of SPECKS of star dust! mmkk!
jammapcb 7 months ago
@jammapcb This unintelligent "argument" is hardly even worth typing this sentence for.
Devolutionism 7 months ago
@Devolutionism
I wouldn't bother if I were you...
Your religious opinions can't replace scientific facts....
odinata 7 months ago
@odinata What religious opinions? I was merely pointing out ridiculous you made yourself appear.
Devolutionism 7 months ago
@Devolutionism monkey nuts and man nuts are the same.. only difference a few upgrades from ACTIONS!!!!!... cuase and effect smart ape become clever ape (US)...all because of a few gangs of apes who had the upper advantage... maybe it was diet or nesessity to survive bringing on a more inventive approach... thus creating a tiny extra bit of IQ.. just enough to get the snowball effect... and now today we are what we are... equally clever and retarded as a ape... funny sense of humor this god has!
jammapcb 7 months ago
@Devolutionism
Religious opinions are the only reason yo reject Biology.
odinata 7 months ago
@Devolutionism dude they dont get it.. they only see what they want and believe what they want even if no scientific evidence exists..
hooseyadaddy 7 months ago
@hooseyadaddy
Biology is MADE of scientific evidence...
Your hillbilly sentiments can't stop that....
odinata 7 months ago
@hooseyadaddy well give it time... one day your childrens children will understand how obvious and WHAT the universe is... a probability engine!! .. what will can happen.... no intent completely developed with trial and error... what works replicates what doesn't dies out..sorry no happy ending... i know you movie nuts and religious wackjobs like a good story and wonderful ending... HAHA... nature does not give a shit about any of your petty beliefs lol... if it did we would not be hard enough!
jammapcb 7 months ago
@jammapcb First off, im not a religious wackjob.. Second, is being an absolute asshole all u know how to be? U dont help your case by name calling and such, u actually hurt your case because thats all u know. Third, science actually reinforces my belief in a creator everyday. For example, crying gives no reproductive or evolutionary advantage whatsoever, yet we are the ONLY species to have developed it.. and you have yet to show evolution into higher taxa.. because thats impossible. re Lenski..
hooseyadaddy 7 months ago
@hooseyadaddy actually i know both... thats the idea behind a mind.. it has many choices, actions, reactions and many expressive forms... how you take something is another... in my mind most are mindless automatons ... pointless without expression or to afraid to use it... its like walt disney with a pulse these topics... as if religious minds are capable of understanding the sheer variations of possibilities of a cell... that is why they prefer instant creation... its a cop out!
jammapcb 7 months ago
@hooseyadaddy ahhh sooo we were all created in 7 days... right?? so all the what 2,8 million known species (that's not counting all the others this doesn't include dinosaurs) WERE ALL MADE IN 7 DAYS... if thats the case... why are they not all on the same layer.. including us... all there is... are simple lifeforms right up to more modern improvements .. the more recent the more VARIATION!!!... do you know how long it takes to make 1 layer of sediment ... dont need JUST evolution to prove it!
jammapcb 7 months ago
@hooseyadaddy yes it does... crying has many advantages.... (or tear duct)... our eyes are shit.. compared to animals... we lost those abilities because we exercised other parts more so... just like our hearing sucks, our bite is weak... like all things in nature something has to give to enhance something else.. sometimes its an average improvement and not exactly a real way to measure the outcome.. there are TO many possibilities to predict it... ohh we aint the only ones with tear ducts lol
jammapcb 7 months ago
@jammapcb i think u just like to hear yourself talk and try n sound all smart.. give 1 concrete proven advantage.. There is none.. We are the ONLY animal to cry from emotion. I didnt say the only with tear ducts. Pay attention. And i didnt say 7 days.. stop jumping to conlusions. Im not a literal creationist. I know how old the earth is.. My point is there is no scientific evidence of an organism evolving into a higher life form.. none.. Lenski has proven that. or from asexual to sexual repro.
hooseyadaddy 7 months ago
@hooseyadaddy eh yes but answer the 7 days myth..please what evidence is there to suggest it exists... anything at all.. instead of trying to take on dozens of disciplines that all work together like woven silk... aint that odd..you see having evidence is far better than any belief..its really helpful in .you know ..freeing yourself from biased BS.. i mean it really does encourage ppl to take you seriously... every species has DNA from other lifeforms.. there is a pattern. religion is a cop out!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb lol dude i said im not a literal creationist.. i dont believe in the "7 days" although some say it refers to periods not literal days. There just wasnt the proper terminology back then.. there is evidence yet there are HUGE gaps like ive addressed that u nor any scientist has answers for yet i am supposed to believe its EVO.. dont think so.. thats not science. Like i said, modern science actually reinforces my beliefs.. the forces that bind our atoms for example.. cant happen by chance
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy of course there will be gaps its complex stuff trying to work out the millions + of unknown species.. then they have to written down correctly in the right order with the right relations and so forth. (no long fancy words). also if you compared from darwin to now the puzzle is looking more complete than ever before... not just for that topic but across many sciences.its all coming together nicely.. that's the reason WHY people dont belief in it they know it works because of x y z!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy the ability for life to change and adapt is its grace..this fixed state is for mindless machines such as yourself. 1+1 it is not..there is no equation its that infinitely complex..what cause the change comes from the environment itself. there are so many factors for change and that includes social parts as well (even ours if you knew how an idea can change the world view).. religion is dead..its hocus pocus.. with superstitious nonsense to scare the mindless.. hook line and sinker!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy you cant debunk evo..you haven't got the IQ to do it.. nor the experience to take on the masses of overwhelming evidence of changing forms.your alternative is creation in a can. good luck proving that. I mean maybe the alien fairies plant new forms here in sets of 16 male 16 female just to make sure they breed.. but how are they programmed i wonder with instinct, attributes that fit with the natural environment and so forth... lets me honest you really are a simple creature! haha
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb all u got is insulting and belittling others when you have nothing.. My IQ is higher than most but thats not all u need. Its basic reasoning skills too, that you apparently lack.. Cant answer my points with science so you attack my faith and IQ.. Typical evo.. so go fuck yourself and then come back with a valid and coherent counter-point based on facts..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy its not insulting its just obvious..you have to be brain dead to believe any of that prattle in the past... how would they possibly know anything without real processes to PROVE it can operate with nothing more than rocks, sticks and superstition lol.come on you cant be serious lol...if there is no (man made badly described god)..which there cant be as its just BS..and there is only natural law...what is the universe exactly... there is a god or no god any more alt's to then that?
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy i have 1 fact no variation = no life... stagnant water is of no use to variation... physics always changing... is that enough info for your silicon cells... or are you still away with the fairies!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy you dont know how old the earth is... nobody does... and old tribal stories are FAAAARRR from the truth lol... i mean the idea of it is just beyond daft hahah
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb if evolution does not exist..and the only thing you can attempt to do badly is somehow in your head think you have the answer lol... the alternative is...bio engineering... possible 3rd party aliens altering natural laws to suit themselves.or a bio factory not far away..where they plant NEW LIFEFORMS that could adapt at all only with visual changes..EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING everything that follows that HAS to follow suit!!.. its not that hard to figure out!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy god is the only conceivable ideal from a linear mind about a first cause... few on this planet are breaking out of this mindless automaton state... we are born we die... thus start and end...linear measurable outcome...we are linear thus our thoughts and ideas are to... ask any physicist and they really are on another perceptive plain..of course you are talking about a universe and not about existence.. time is a false perception.. its simply a measurement which explains nothing!
jammapcb 7 months ago
@hooseyadaddy Lenski a few experiment. vs mother nature. a trillian x a trillian x a trillian x a trillian x a trillian and on and on for 3.5 billion years of chemical soup of which are even more combinations of chemical cohesion..basic proteins all the way to a cell..the only issue with this is you cannot create life with tools... it is born out of chaos..billions of failures and we are the remains of what works. if you can't get that part.... plz keep your superstitious beliefs within church.
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb a few experiments? Lmao. the generational cycle of the bacteria is so fast that you get trillions of new bacteria. Now, compare that to say, how quickly humans evolved, the bacteria, if im remembering correctly, shouldve evolved 35,000x faster but they didnt. They never will, because it will not go to a higher taxa. That was a legit experiment, nothing spectacular happened but i know, u dont like science that contradicts evo. Btw that exp. occurs naturally everyday and still nothing!
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy eh you mean the every 15+ min duplication time.. but that's just a cell... mothernature would be doing this at a far greater variation in a very large lab with conditions for more diverse than any lab... that's the point... dude that experiment doesn't show anything lol... are you really retarded or something lol.... your comparing a man to a cell... in some respects we do multiply 9 months vs 15mins (in ideal conditions and type of bacteria)... and that disproves evolution wtf lol
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb ehh.. didnt we come from just cell according to u? Moron..and if u listened i said nature carries out this "experiment" everyday with no results even close to what u suggest. And im not against evo entirely but at many points it breaks down and is just nonsense. The theory is wrong in many many places.. again, crying provides no reproductive advantage.. u are too stupid, cynical and insulting to even listen and address my points..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy eh no we didnt come from a cell directly and that is why you fail!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb oh.. so now we didnt evolve from a cell?.. idiot, experiments have shown, and nature has shown, that there is no evidence of anything evolving into a higher taxa.. none... anything close to a circulatory system being developed today? no.. 2 to 3 to 4 chamber heart? no... logically, what minute steps make that happen without killing the animal? there are none..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy ahhh so the alternative is?
jammapcb 6 months ago
lol you really haven't a clue about this topic have you... lol
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb no apparently u dont.. just insulting people doesnt prove ur points.. u have yet to address a single point and provide a valid counter point backed by scientific evidence. not some story how it "couldve happened".. and for the last time i am not a literal creationist u fucking moron! Listen for one time in ur fucking life. and evo if taken all the way back is an attempt to "prove" random formation of life without a creator. although we all know abiogenesis is a crock..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?????
jammapcb 6 months ago
you and I are not important.you are the all singing crap of the world.you are a speck on a speck amongst billions of specks amongst billions of more specks in a larger speck which in turn is within even more specks and for ever and ever fractal concept of existence.break your ape like thoughts before I scream blue fuck because you cannot admit your limits.you can't even comprehend the complexity of maths never mind chemical variation.to me your not even at the domestic science teacher level! lol
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb no i do know the math, i know the complexity, do i need to write the equation down? Ur right there are trillions upon trillions of combinations of chemicals, temp, pressure, gravity, physics of the atom etc etc.. but only ONE way for it to all work and exist.. just one.. and if it wasnt right the FIRST time, nothing would exist, nothing would ever form.. but see i do know that the odds against life are overwhelming, more zeros at the end of that equation than our universe is old..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy you see your still using a limitation on a linear path..a first cause... there is no first cause... by its own admission shows limitation... existence and universe are not the same thing..god is a primitive work used for what we do not know..how would we know... its arrogant to use such pretend authorities when clearly man hasn't a clue to any of it... science has to use what can work within reason.. no fairy tales or mystery needed.. but down to earth disciplines with cold facts!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb u just said man hasnt a clue.. yet u say for a fact it wasnt god..hypocrite.. no fairytales!!! lmao over half of evo is a fairytale! Stupid stories till fill in the blanks and then regurgitated as facts! why did we transition from asexual to sexual? Why did most animals lose that ability? Id say retaining it would ensure reproduction.. ie the whiptail lizard and other parthenogenic animals.. they have variation with sexual repro. and a back up if they cant find a mate.. contradicts evo
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy in the big sense of things yes..there is still so much more to learn. if for a moment you would get off your soap box you would know this..scientific disciplines are designed to remove to much emotional blindness to what reality is... you want to skip all that hardwork which so fits well together for tribal concepts with NOTHING to back any of their madness up..in essence you are irrational in mind... just like they were back then.. glad science is here to stay it keeps us honest!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy do m8 a fact is where many sources prove a point... if they were false... peer review would of kicked them out.... go and try and spin your fantasies at a peer review board ... you HAVE NO IDEA how hard it is to prove a fact... years of research...many hours work.... lots of thinking, observation and study.... your kind are always looking for the easy route and in all that self delusion...think that some sand scripts will lead you to something wonderful.. u like the easy route!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb dude.. peer review and a scientific "consensus" does not mean FACT.. Sooo many things in evo are indemonstratable, unobserved, and unproven.. yet spouted as fact. Its more of a faith than science. Im not saying evo is totally wrong, just totally wrong in some aspects.. again, evo aside, the physical impossibility of our universe coming from chaos the first time, defies all logic
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy well of course it defies logic... its not a logical existence!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy you know there are species who are unisex... just like a cell... it replicates itself... then later on splits into 2 opposing sexes (ying and yang).. then its past on to many of the offspring who some split into make female and the others do not... i mean its not really that hard to work out... i bet many failures came about.. but those that succeeded are around today... 99+% failure rate 1% success... cant you see the evidence for that like the 99% of failed species... ;0)
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy again you do not know math.if you did you could see the answer and know its only a matter of possibilities that will produce X.there is no need for control..it is unrelenting outcome that makes this perceptive reality so damn interesting. the shear drama and so called conspiracy is where your illusions lye .you have nothing but assumption on a first cause as your only understanding yet tiresome conclusion is the number 1... a start and a end..again.I can prove I exist but not you!
jammapcb 6 months ago
damn you are stupid... there is no equation... chaos it not fixed... lol... so no there is no answer... that would limit it!
jammapcb 6 months ago
odds are used by creationists in the most amusing ways.you think 1 in a trillian is something important... lol.... life will come about with odds far greater than that ..1 in a trillian is less than a nano meter of 3D space HAHA!!!!! ..think again..the universe is sea of chemical and atomic interaction the actual maths is === not capable of calculating any of it..its deeper than fixed measurments..it is the point where we cannot see or be or even exist... the real question is .. WHY BOTHER!!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy all the materials are here... all the chaos is here... everything changes.. a trillian ways to make a construct (or material as our eyes see).. I wonder why you cant comprehend existence without a controller... I mean that is something us lowly beings need to do... religion and texts reek of megalomanics and power hungry nutters... aint that odd... your not after truth but control ... for all the hoes at home .. YOU ARE OUT OF CONTROL like EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE!.. cool huh!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy what is the alternative to creation in a can or alien bio farmers from the alternative dimension who trun up drop off some creates of new and improved bio species then vanish into thin air... EVO is the only VIABLE answer to the richness of life.. this factory preset mentality has no merit, nothing at all .. so if in your words its not EVO or instant fantastical creation myths.. what is the alternative... I'm thinking along the lines of singular conscious that dictates reality! me!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb oh, and to answer, God or whatever u want to call it, can act through natural processes to create the things we see. Because nothing can come from utter chaos, especially order and constant and binding laws, and where evo fails, something else has to be the answer.. again, in all of your ramblings u have still yet to address a single point with a valid counter point based on observable facts..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy you say evo is nonsense but i put that down to lack of understanding or the basic fundamentals of change... without change this universe would be meaningless... it is everything.. from cause and effect... because we do not understand its will... is not an excuse to fill in a gap with a label that seems the only answer... like i said linear minds require a no1 ... machines require the same answer... god = unknown... if your honest about it .. your humble about it...
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy I am still waiting for an answer that is backed up against change!...lol... you still have nothing but pie in the sky faith... 15k years of BS.. will not work anymore!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy ummm your the one making some claims about... the magical sky god hypoth (yes a theory is an actual WORKING MODEL not best guess! lol) .... so you have to back up your claims with broken logic (or missing pieces) and thus you conclude it must be wrong thus it has to be a religious viewpoint(a major fail in any discipline)... I'm still waiting sweet heart!!!! .. well... what is the alternative to evolution in a practical sense... something alot of ppl have overlooked! ...
jammapcb 6 months ago
all life mutates and breaks down... some survive... that is change... some traits are passed on some neutral ... 0 for negative 1=positive ,2 neutral .. you can add active and not active to that as well, so there are more outcomes, then all the combinations of chemicals, cause and effect, temperature, radiation, time, location, energy source, threats or food source enhancers on and on it goes...... fuck we haven't even begun to realise how many factors there are to chemical outcomes have we?
jammapcb 6 months ago
and u say no god exists.. evo is proof.. but i say, look at physics and the forces that bind our atoms and universe, random chance is mathematically impossible.
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy i didnt say a god didnt exist.. i said its all BS man made nonsense! made by tribes high on smack and drugs... you wont even know the assholes who wrote this stuff!... and there is you thinking you know something about WHY religion was invented.. that includes the piss poor descriptions of uber ideals for children...
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy how in all the blue fuck.. does evo disprove a god lol are you really this blind to possibilities and math
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy oooo i know why you hate evo... because it makes your fairy tale book look ... eh primitive is the work i think!... well you want truth for what it is.. not some warm and fuzzy delusion of grandeur!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy lol... you have an astounding ego... religious people tend to do that... you are a dot in this existence of real importance unless you buy into the religion for your own emotional gratification a root of selfish means...have you ever thought that if there is a god... it would give a flying fuck for you! lol... your not important.. get over it! and actually go do some field research and actual tests then you might just a moment be enlightened to the complexity and richness of nature
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb i have the astounding ego.. Ur the fucking moron that wont listen and continues to ramble with your chaos bullshit to understand i am not a LITERAL creationist! Stuff was put into motion billions of years ago to reach what we have now, US.. if none of that happened before, all we see would NOT be possible... u have yet to address a single point without the chaos shit u spout.. so give me real science showing proof discounting what i say..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy there is no time... stop thinking linear... it aint sinking in is it!
jammapcb 6 months ago
we, US are not important..your under this guise of self importance as if all of this is just for US... your always implying intent, a purpose..if there is one thing constant in this universe its quite the opposite of our pathetic attempt to control everything..I am still waiting for an alternative to EVO... I've given you a few...everything is chaos ... EVERYTHING!!!!! that is why it is so varied .. the opposite of chaos is order.. order is what we SEE.. and chaos in its real detail u don't!
jammapcb 6 months ago
"put into motion billions of years ago"..don't you mean change. motion does not exist either.. only change!.. time motion all of it is just our perceptions telling us its moving..its not moving at all just a reaction of change in atoms and electrons..it looks real it feels real... but even us are just changing as we speak... as I type this the keyboard is changing due to interaction, the cables themselves are changing due it electrons.. that is all there is..what we perceive is the end effect!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb again u fucking moron that cant comprehend a single sentence.. I wasnt talkin about a cell but the formation and expansion of our universe and the laws that bind it that make all this possible.."motion does not exist either.. only change!" idiot.. u dont get "change" without motion or a passage of time. because if motion ceases so does time u fucking idiot!!! therefor no "change"! from nothing comes nothing. no "time/motion"= no "change" im done with u... u cant even grasp that..
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy ahhh expansion.can we be so certain.. the evidence of the red shift says so right... but when you see there are billions of stars can we really be certain they are spreading further apart..I mean the tests are local (a couple of thousand light years maybe) .relative to the universe there is still not enough data... it could be just local..and who knows maybe physics is not so fixed (that would be rather limiting).its all about how far we can reach. the next 100 years are exciting!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy its all illusion m8y... these dam primate limitations ... oh and there is no such thing as nothing... its always atomic in nature... even beyond that.. its still something... nothing to something is linear and retarded... there has always been something... like i said existence and universe are not the same thing!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb u know. u should be a politician. u say more shit without actually saying anything of substance better than anyone i have ever known. u even beat out Obama lmao again, ur "change" can suck it cause u dont get change without motion. without motion there is no time, therefor there will never be a change..sorry i stopped at just the seed.. i was making a point which i still cant grasp.. and yes expansion.. without it galaxies and planets couldnt have formed. im done, ur just a wordy idiot
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy so you except change now!...its good to be honest.... thus evolution it is the only way for life to survive through this madness .... the alternative is crude and created (ahem).. by automatons... life's ability and outcome is all on the stimulation it has ... now that's grace!!... not your factory ideals!... but then again maybe it is bio engineered..... 99% of the species are extinct .... and no god would make such a fuckup!... right
jammapcb 6 months ago
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hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@jammapcb god damn ur a fucking moron! Its not that i "accept" not except.. idiot.. i know things change. i was arguing against ur previous point about motion doesnt exist just change. well what u failed to grasp is that without motion there can be no change! jimminy christmas.. no motion=no time no time=no change that’s my point.im gullible? u believe in a theory that cant prove most of what it tries to. just wild stories.. if we r to accept evo is true, than the theory of "how" is way off
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy i do grasp alot of things... i just cant believe how gullible you are... lol...intelligence and wisdom... are amazing things no doubt... but being aware of the outcomes of ones actions before they are put into action has far more natural advantages from a survival perspective.... the difference between could and should... if you like the factory bio engineered route go ahead... I find it limiting and more like the truman show and not what the evidence suggests something far better!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy the amount of bacteria is insignificant to the amount of possibilities of a moment in a much more detailed look on just a few proteins... you do not get it.... and it's clearly your issue not mine!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy if you dont know something do not pretend to fill in the gaps with BS.. it is better not to say anything at all... me personally i think your the illusion!! everything is illusion... no gods or kings just weak minded mentally challenged bi-pedals !! ;0) ... or like u said its wonder magic and we all live in the wizard of oz meets truman show... either way you have no solid articles or anything that produces doubt in the process called fucking CHANGE!!!!!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy Life should still spontaneously generate.. it does right now...the problem is our timing lol.... i mean listen to yourself.. lol..sorry m8 your just to retarded to deal with... I cant explain this science stuff to you... you are to brainwashed and well..pretty much a evolutionary dead end... and nature does prune out the dead ends so well..sorry no happy endings....if you are confident in your amazing proofs lol.. then write an article to disprove EVO.. watch it get ripped apart!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy If you can only argue against evolution by misrepresenting it then on some level you must already know you have no case.
Hamsters are all related to one another and to all other rodents, mammals, amniotes etc well before resembling bacteria and an exception to this is evidence AGAINST evolution. Claiming that bacteria directly spawns an already existing lifeform is plain out lying or stupidity with no lighter alternative.
ProcInc 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy it needs more replication and trillians of more ENVIRONMENTAL factors... like i said lab vs planet... aint no competition...i mean i am still waiting for the alternative truth (whatever u call it) .. a bio factory with billions of lifeforms all planted here... and then 99.9% of them extinct in ??k years... is that what your getting at... where's the evidence for it! ... still waiting for the god knows how many times lol... inbred swine!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy do you even grasp what 3.5 billion years is...lets split that down to say an inch of matter over a billion years...the SHEAR outcome and possibilites are FOR evolution not against it... its not random but what works within physics. What are physics another opposite to chaos a partial order (which we perceive as anyways).. its still chaos and through all that our type of life is just 1 possible VIABLE outcome within these restrictions!... to say nothing changes is just so hickville!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy so what your saying is A everything is a preset and thats that... guess what there is 0 evidence to suggest that... why because if that was the case LIFE would not work... life is diverse and connected to the cell in each and every way... some have additions some do not... to say god just did it shows how mentally limited you really are... there is far more to this than a cop off like that... IF u want to go through life with that fine...I just think your ignorant of nature!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy you need an education and to observe such things in nature first.... get out of the mythical crazy wild claims of religion and do some real hard work. You'll see far more than a bunch of words made by sheep gropers!... fucking ppl always think the past has more answers ... EVOLVE you dumb ape (you and I are apes) before your offspring regret having you as a parent!
jammapcb 10 months ago
@jammapcb lol address my points.. evolution can not explain those things.. its good for finches beaks.. not for circulatory systems, sexual reproduction and the like.. do explain how an asexual organism can produce something other than itself? and again, why hasnt new life been created in what? 3.5 billion years? Earth is perfect for life now.. Yet nothing..
hooseyadaddy 10 months ago
@hooseyadaddy if you could live that long or use time travel you would know! (time is an illusion and change allows us to measure it but as it is no rule can really exist..because a beginning makes no sense to existence). like i said many minds on this planet think linear.they are conditioned to, dictated by it...ruled by it..and everything you try to process will always be in vein..we are linear thus we think the universe follows suit... how arrogant you are to think you control existence lol!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy jebus in 3.5 billion years the mathematical possibilities for multiple diversity on a massive scale (that's just this sphere)...ever atom interacting like a ballet the amount of outcomes in just a square MM over 3.5 billion years is just..well lets say your mind would be fucked to deal with just 1 second of it.. there is that many interactions..now take that planet side... and if you know anything about maths or chaos... life HAS TO occur from base elements... it is simply obvious!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy ahh so if you cant explain something or need it explaining to you... you say la la la... there are many things we do not understand... but at least the scientists are not being biased like faith dwelling minds... religion does not work you fuckwit...15000 years of this BS... and yet nothing to show from it.. debunked ... dethroned .. complete madness and not very practical.. god is a word to describe everything that is unknown.. today though ppl work to understand unknowns..simplz!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy why are there species that are omnisex... cells have no sex... and why are tribal texts obsessed with a god that is male lol such lables denotes a sex... a reproductive system .... god is not a he or she... would a it be more sufficient to say IT... of course men wrote this garbage as IT cannot be related to... and as it was a male dominated culture IT became HE.... there is nothing you have that makes any sense.. or is based on observation and within a FAIR humble understanding
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy I am still waiting for the alternative to EVO ... creationism is just a joke lol... intelligent design (sorry its not that intelligent) 99% of species are extinct.. not to good is it (that's the down and upside of chaos and limited space).. good things happen to bad ppl, bad things to good... no rules, just cause and effect!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy we are apes... deal with it!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy apes were put here for a laugh right lol..i mean talk about the blind leading the blind... we are related to apes not directly but we are a split off from a common ancestor.the evidence is overwhelming and not just from a clinical test either.but a social one.spend less time in fairy tale books and actually go out and EXPERIENCE nature face to face. I wouldn't recommend going near silver backs in the mating season..they tend to think your gonna fuck their misses.. sound familiar!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy your kind always want it easy... like it all just happened with magic.. nothing to do with chaos..its all drama and intent ..WE DO THAT... IT DOES NOT NEED SOME trivial methods... this existence is nothing more than a probability system so complex its obvious that it requires no superstitious beliefs to appreciate its grace... evo is used in drugs and medicines.. IF IT WAS NONSENSE it would not work at all... but here is the real question what good is creationism for medical use!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy face it m8 you just do not know enough!... or have experienced enough of the OBSERVATION <<< hint hint... to make any conclusions (this is always altering as truth can NEVER be obtained if your honesy about it).. all you want is happy land where the instant planet in a can theory is for POLITICAL reason and not truth... nothing in this life is easy... yet you except this linear beginning concept as if it was a walk in the park... your a fool ... religion is old and OUTDATED!!!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb chaos can not give us the forces that bind our atoms and universe.. tweak it a minute degree any way and none of this exists.. matter expands in all directions and never forms.. so we just got i right the first time against all the odds..? cause it has been calculated.. if the expansion was wrong just once we get NOTHING.. so we just hit the Universe megaball the first time? btw u need to get the christian god and religion out of your mind.. because humans wrote it and got A LOT wrong.
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy are we talking about antimatter!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy got it right the first time.... what... you still do not get it!!! first time lol... sorry m8 it does not work like that... are you saying that cell just popped up like that... go look up the a cross section of a cell... there are thousands of processes before that...:0)
jammapcb 6 months ago
have you ever wondered why they think a atom is a sphere... when you stack spheres together... the gaps inbetween ... what do you think might be there... anti matter maybe! or a force for it to flow
jammapcb 6 months ago
if your not one of those sad hack creationists trying to use science to justify their religious beliefs ... then you must be of the bio engineering cult.. aliens... other 3rd party factors... (god we wont even go there as there is no way to prove that concept)..a god definition is its strength (all powerful).. but at the same time its weakest.. why because its all to fluffy...and a god well it must be boring as shit to KNOW everything.. maybe that is why ppl suck up a god... they like the ideal!
jammapcb 6 months ago
this is not a first universe... we have to assume that part!.. its the only one we know of... there are probably all sorts of freaky alternatives.. or maybe we all trapped in another universe in a marble collection owned by aliens .. yeah that's it... i believe it so it must be so!
jammapcb 6 months ago
not just xtian gods... all the 8000+ versions of it to... OMG... social evolution can it be... its following the same outcome.... many first ideals ... CHANGING into even more diverse gods and religions... much like a branch of a tree amongst a vast forest of trees... so many different outcomes from the same constructs ... wow... think about it!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@jammapcb but a tree comes from a "seed".. whatever kind of tree it is a seed has to be planted in the beginning.. so call the seed "it" "god" or whatever you wish but they are all rooted in the same thing from the same thing.. every civilization has believed in spirits.. im not saying any one is correct but the concept is...
hooseyadaddy 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy nope again your trying to fill in gaps with no proof..your having a hard time comprehending the many steps between the proteins right up to what you define as seed.what is a seed but a collection of cells. the tricky part is understanding why they are together separated from other cells..a huge step from singular to collective bio diversity.. but to fill it in with something without fully understanding its process... leads to presumption .you need mental discipline not emotion!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@hooseyadaddy tweak it... the only way to prove this is to make your own universe.. but of course we cant can we... that is why you need a god concept.... just to feel powerful and useful.... but really we are specks... really tiny in all of this... so the only real option is to make a purpose for ourselves.. be it religion, politics, creativity etc.... its the distraction of it all that makes me suspect of ... where are we going exactly... whats the point.. it serves nothing... yet we are here!
jammapcb 6 months ago
if evolution is true, then what happend with our all weather outter coating of hair? monkeys and apes still have them.. So did we invent clothes before we needed them? or did we only invent them after we lost this protection? So my question is, why would we have lost it in the first place? seems like a disadvantage...
hooseyadaddy 1 year ago
@hooseyadaddy The best theory we have on why we lost our hair is due to poor grooming. The idea is that through our evolutionary history, we took care of our hair poorly and didn't groom each other of parasites like we see monkeys doing to each other. Natural selection quickly began to thin out our heavily-haired ancestors and began to favor those of us with less hair.
fuzzy711 1 year ago
@fuzzy711 lol thats an absurd fairy tale... nappy hair wont kill you.. yet youll believe it.. whatever story u can come up with to fit the theory..
hooseyadaddy 1 year ago
@hooseyadaddy Its not the "nappy hair" that kills you, its the parasites that thrive in the unclean hair. But how about looking down at your arm? You still have vestigial erector muscles under ever hair on your arm and the hair itself has become almost vestigial. Why do you think that is? God designed us with thousands and thousands of useless muscles, or, we once were covered in hair that served as protection, but for some reason, natural selection began to favor individuals with less hair.
fuzzy711 1 year ago
@fuzzy711 really? You have any sciencific evidence for that? Plenty of other animals have hair and dont pluck things off eachother.. the most common parasites associated are fleas and lice which wont kill you.. so why do we still have hair on our heads, arms, and pubic region?.. why does the hair on our head grow so much longer than our cousins? So our hair genes slowly mutated for no real reason and no real environmental pressures.. what did the first one lose? 1 hair? 30? all at once?...
hooseyadaddy 1 year ago
@hooseyadaddy Really? You're asking me for scientific evidence? Someone who doesn't believe in evolution is asking me for scientific evidence? I hope you realize that the evidence that evolution happens is about as strong as the evidence that the holocaust happened.
And other animals have ways of grooming themselves, think of a cat licking itself, the point it, they have methods of staying clean, the theory is that we didn't. You obviously have no real knowledge about how evolution works.
fuzzy711 1 year ago
@fuzzy711 yes really. wheres the evidence for that claim? i dont believe everything we are told no, parts of it are true.. so for millenia we groomed ourselves then just stopped?.. yeah i dont think so.. people with dreads reproduce just fine.. u dont know how it works so u make up absurd stories to fit it.. if we were so bad at cleanig ourselves then why was hair retained in those regions? why does our hair get so long compared to chimps if we were so bad at cleaning oursleves?..
hooseyadaddy 1 year ago
@hooseyadaddy All you need to know is that we shared a common ancestor with chimps, and for some reason, natural selection started choosing for those of us that had less body hair then others. That much we know as scientific truth, as to what exactly caused our hair to be a detriment, we can only speculate. You asked, I gave you the top theory.
Why are you comparing us to chimps anyways? You don't think we evolved from chimps do you?
fuzzy711 1 year ago
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fuzzy711 1 year ago
@hooseyadaddy Actually corn wasn't "just corn" read Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma there's a chapter on how it evolved. And the banana was a banana before but not the same as the ones we currently eat, non-domesticated bananas are full of seeds, which you can google. This isn't something that could have occured by any other means than evolution.
IndependentMario 1 year ago
@hooseyadaddy Also yes the foxes are still foxes, but tail length, cranial structure and it's nueral structure changed, and this is only about 60 years of selective breeding, if this occured for thousands of more years we'd easily get another species. And within the silver fox experiment, one "species" would diverge and evolve to become 2 other species. One being more docile, thus having different brian structures, meaning different cranial structures.
IndependentMario 1 year ago
You were doing GREAT! You came across as well educated and easy to understand. Very nice!! But... You don't really understand, do you? Rhetorical question! Next time, leave out the Noah flood thing and the term Darwinism. Don't you think that we would have found some evidence to a world wide flood? Since you like to sound intelligent, calculate the amount of water it would take to flood the Earth and how much of that water would be in the atmosphere. What would all that water do?
yrunuts1962 1 year ago
I don't know if this is a poe or not, but biologists are pretty sure what the word "species" means. It is the biblical "kind" which is more dubious.
MrColuber 1 year ago
How can you refute Darwinism...... there is no such thing. That would be like me trying to refute the theory of Hobokinism (the theory that everything comes from hobokin). It's pointless to disagree with something that never existed in the first place
Ondrix 1 year ago
Boy do you fail in this video. Allready the tag "darwinism", that is a stupid word used by creationists, it doesnt exist in science. But your biggest fail is"bacteria are still bacteria". Wow, do you know how many species of bacteria exist ? Thats about as stupid as stating a mammal is allways a mammal and not suddenly a reptile. Nowhere in science anybody states that a bacteria suddenly become ssomething completely different. Macro evolution is simply a lot of micro evolution and much time
MrRichardQED 1 year ago
So well crafted, so rich in fail!
Rockster969 1 year ago
The video fails at exactly 7:04
gininginin 1 year ago
I didn't know you could put so much misinformation in a video under eleven minutes. Biological evolution is not the change in the frequency of different genes. It is the change in frequency of alleles in populations. The nested hierarchy that molecular biology shows is more than enough evidence to make it a very well established theory. No real scientists call it Darwinism. That's just silly. Darwin was right about some things and wrong about others.
foxlake02 1 year ago
Macroevolution has never been observed? Wrong. Type in "instances of speciation" into google. Welcome to the age of the internet.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
To turn this around, Do you consider creationism / ID is a fact? How do you go about proving this fact? Do you agree that ID invokes a designer but falls short of identifying this intelligence? If you don't identify the agency are you open for multiple definitions of what it could be? How many possibilities do you have for a possible designer?
ptango101 1 year ago
The Hypohippus lived 17 - 11 million years ago. Why would you bring that up when you believe in Noah flood some 4000 years ago? And if you believe in that, wouldn't you believe the earth is less the 10,000 years old? So, bring up a horse like animal from 17 - 11 million years ago doesn't really seem logical.
Loathomar 1 year ago
Macroevolution is defined as change at or above the species level. This whole video is a giant strawman.
jesuriah 1 year ago
theories are not speculations.
macro-evolution(speciation) has been observed.
I thought the Christian god didn't like liars? if this is the case, and the Christian god does exist, then the makers of this video are in need of some serious groveling and begging for forgiveness. Liars go to hell and burn for all eternity.... better hope your god doesn't exist, eh?
1n354a 1 year ago