It is obvious that you are woefully ignorant of the normal penis--NO one should EVER retract the foreskin on a child to clean under it--this causes damage and that Phimosis that you claim necessitates a circumcision.
"Just a piece of skin"? More ignorance!
BRITISH JOURNAL OF UROLOGY, Volume 77, Pages 291-295,February 1996.
The prepuce: Specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision
The fore skin protects the penis from insect bite when you're asleep. But from a girl view point I think it's like a gift wrap. Only a Christian would send a gift without the wrapping LOL !
When did the USA REALLY become an ally of Israel and can a connection be drawn. Most of Isreal are not truely jewish, so I am not being critical of a religion. I am critical of politics.
Forgive my spelling...I am not an english speaker.
And way too often more effort is applied to cutting it off than to the concept that it cannot be put back. And easier and more profitable to remove it than find simple ways to preserve it like most more-educated cultures do.
So you're married, have a kid, talk to other men about their dicks, and you have openly stated that circumcision should be done because it is your own "personal preference".... I feel sorry for your child, husband, and every other man who has to deal with the ignorance woman like you bring into the world.
circumcision is a jewish tradition....thes the thing with america we are comprised of Pop culture ..whatever is the most popular that is what we run with..without questioning to much about whether we should run with it or not ..
circumcision was started by Abraham as a covenant to God, its a sacrifice to that which made us so Jewish men have been circumcised since then and since Jesus was born Jewish he was more than likely circumcised as well so Christians just continued the practice...everyone can decide for themselves (though its odd since its ultimately the parent's choice and not the child's)
Sorry, but a mistaken belief that some imaginary sky giant demands this involuntary sacrifice.does not justify this.
Yes, this "parents should decide" is nothing but cognitive dissonance when it comes to "everyone should make a choice" renders this as complete nonsense.
BTW, this "circumcision covenant is not original--it was added by the priests ca. 550BCE. And scholars deem Abraham a myth.
i hate how people generalise it to be a religious cultural thing... In Australia, a lot of white guys born in the 60's,70's are circumsised.. And I cant stand guys with the cottage cheese skin! seriously. My ex was circumsised as a baby, HE DIDNT REMEMBER! and he's glad he has a cut penis.
@Tandykane look, sorry to offend anyone, probably a bit ignorant. but... its true that its pretty much and even stat of what women prefer. esp this generation. but please find me the reference to that stat please of that 5%.. he's def not a minority coz ive known a lot of Caucasian men to actually majority be cut mostly over the age of 30... Again, im entitled to an opinion, im aussie, athiest. and im a woman.. and from experiences, there is no way i think id ever touch an uncut one.
letting everyone know. as a contemporary young adult.. i dont like guys my age becuase i dont like intact penis', find them disgusting and gross... iam entitled to an opinion
@obamasucksdick99 umm, someone hates their uncut cock... what's the cheese stuck between your foreskin like? blergh... btw, umm.. not jew, english, scottish, australian! no jew at all, not based on religion. its becuase CLEAN AND LESS DISGUSTING!!
@obamasucksdick99 well its a Muslim cock, but thanks anyways, not only i am enjoying it , but the ladies around me as well, my free advice is that if you don't have trouble with your fore skin, then its OK, but learn and save others, as I am telling you, circumcision is far better, and I am talking about everyday life ,hygiene and sex, if you want to research about the scientific benefits , then Google is there for you.
@Tandykane I don't know but I have asked this question more than 50 times in female gathering and 10% girls said that they don't care if it is circumcised or not , 90% said that they preferred circumcised as it is clean, its not about you actually....if you don't like circumcision i agree, i wonder if I have to go through surgery in my age,it would be scary and a mess, I wont agree probably,thats why it should be done in young age, it heals better, but you stick to what you got,its your dick.
Thanks for the anecdotes from culturally indoctrinated cultures, but I will stick to peer-reviewed study of preferences based on KNOWING both--and not some sill prejudice..and evidence of which is better,,
Int.J. Epidem. (2011) 40(5); p.1367-1381
Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark
WHY would you assume you would ever have need circumcision..for a man who was not circumcised as an infant the chances of him having to get circumcised as a adult are extremely rare. In fact it's only 6 in 100,000. (0.006%)
"90% said that they preferred circumcised as it is clean" Ah, the tired old "clean" myth..retract, rinse, replace--much easier than trying to clean female genitalia..and a myth discarded decades ago..
HYGIENE: "Circumcision has been suggested as an effective method of maintaining penile hygiene since the time of the Egyptian dynasties, but there is little evidence to affirm the association between circumcision status and optimum penile hygiene." - AAP
The foreskin contains more nerve endings than any other part of the penis, that's just fact. In the largest study on circumcision in South Korea, Seoul University found 33% of men who were circumcised reported difficulty attaining sexual gratification, 63% said masturbation less enjoyable, and 11% had "frequent" orgasm difficulties.
Part-3: a person should circumcise his kids in young age as as a person grows older he gets more and more scared of it. I can tell you from personnel experience that circumcision is good.
A wake up call, Muslims and all stupid people do it because that are stupid and/or ignorant. There is not a rational reason for circumcision--just a lot of stupid excuses.
Find a better class of women--those not ignorant.
Retract, rinse, replace--if too stupid to do that, then chop the whole thing off.
@Tandykane you are an ignorant so don't try to teach me,what i wrote is my experience, try to watch videos here...in Rwanda, govt is trying to get all male circumcised, I try to keep an open mind and I had friends from all over the world, as well as I had girlfriends from 15 different countries, all girls were studying bachelor or masters, so there you go, they were top class women mentally, further more not once any of them questioned my erection or size, try to keep an open mind.
Sorry, but I rely on anecdotes contradicted by the evidence to the extent that I believe in Santa Claus..come back with valid evidence and then we can have an intelligent discussion.
Foreskin useless? Seems you are arguing from ignorance-educate yourself:
BRITISH JOURNAL OF UROLOGY, Volume 77, Pages 291-295,February 1996.
The prepuce: Specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision
@major9211 You were circumcised as an infant, yes? In a way, your opinion is moot since being circumcised is all you've ever known. You're talking about how your life is "better" because of it... How do you know? Fact is, you can't possibly know. But cutting a child's genitals without their active & informed consent is, in most cases, unethical. People with your viewpoint almost always seem to shy away from one thing in this case: that which looks unfamiliar.
@ashley060189 I was 4 years old and I do remember, my father was a doctor and my uncle his brother is one of the top doctors in Canada, and I saw the problems people were having b cuz of fore skin, one of my girlfriend decided to circumcise her younger brother, as she thought it was good her brother was 12 years old and he was quite scared, but after it was done he thanked me, circumcision is not necessary, but its better, to avoid feuture complications, and you cant guess future.
Have you ever compared the rates of problems caused by circumcision?
These are much more common & much more disastrous than from being intact..
It is not rational to pick out anecdotes about a few circumcision "needed" here and there, and just ignore the larger picture of documented cases of damage done.
for a man who was not circumcised as an infant the chances of him having to get circumcised as a adult are extremely rare. In fact it's only 6 in 100,000. (0.006%)
@Tandykane the population of Pakistan is 173,593,380, and every male in Pakistan is circumcised, never have seen or heard a problem, complication , you collect figures of population of Muslim countries all over the world and I assure you every male 99.9% is circumcised, after that you count Jews + all other countries and individuals who prefer circumcision, more that half of the world I think is circumcised.may be 70%. so what you say?they all went nuts and you are one genius?
@major9211 About a third of males in the world of circumcised. Leave behind for religious delusions for just a few minutes and think about it from a rational and reasonable perspective. It is genital mutilation. The foreskin is not a birth defect, it protects the head of the penis and keeps it sensitive. The purpose of circumcision, both male and female, is to reduce sexual pleasure by as much as possible while still leaving the organ functional.
@Tandykane the population of Pakistan is 173,593,380, and every male in Pakistan is circumcised, never have seen or heard a problem, complication , you collect figures of population of Muslim countries all over the world and I assure you every male 99.9% is circumcised, after that you count Jews + all other countries and individuals who prefer circumcision, more that half of the world I think is circumcised.may be 70%. so what you say?they all went nuts and you are one genius?
@ashley060189 i regret getting a circumcision. i requested it when i was in jr high because i thought it was considered abnormal to not get it. but for mainly sexual reasons, i wish i still had that extra foreskin just so that a woman can slide it down and play with it.
part 2:one of my friend was telling me that he always bleeds in an intercourse as the skin sticks to his penis head, one other friend of mine told that his skin is breaking during the intercourse , just think if it breaks deep in female organ and it rottens there, but I knew many who doesn't have any problem at all, so my opinion is that circumcision should be necessary for all as you never know what will happen in older age, most girls told me they prefer circumcised dick as its clean, part-3
Please get your facts straight, all Muslims and Jews are circumcised for sure, and they are not in USA,well i think its great and clean,the problem is that for some, it creates health hazards and for some it never dose,as a person grows of age he gets scared of it so in our Muslim case they do it when we are kids, some 6 months old and in my case i was 4 years old and i remember the event, circumcision never effects on your size,i will write the rest in part 2
In a study investigating the adequacy of condom sizes, Richters, Gerofi, and Donovan noted that circumcised men had significantly shorter erect penises by a mean length of 8mm than genitally intact men (p<.05). The difference in erect penile size was attributed to insufficient skin to accomodate the erection.
Richters J, Gerofi J,Donovan B. Are condoms the right size(s)? Venereology 1995;8:77-81
@Tandykane ...oh I am sorry if you are worried about your size and try to show some use less stinking fore skin to fool ladies, and you are well aware that the fore skin is just visual size, in process it moves back and is use less, I had a good debate with people from other religions who were not circumcised, some were having trouble and some were OK with it, if you ask my opinion, it is far better, I like it and have absolutely no problem what so ever.
All videos on circumcision are made by women, and all aren't in favor of it.. because women like to turn men on, which isn't possible with circumcised males.
The issue is not whether circumcision is good or bad, if you want to be circumcised, be my guest, find a doctor and go for it! But if you want to hold down a baby and circumcise him/her, that is just sick!
i needed to be circumcised cuz my 4skn would'nt pull back with out pain. so in my case i needed it. do you still think your not in favour of it. or do you just mean men having it done just for the sake of it. plz reply. oh im also on meth.
Phimosis is easily cured by applying a steroid cream and simple stretching--too bad you didn't know of this simple remedy before choosing to get your foreskin amputated--or that the quack who circumcised your didn't know this remedy.
Gee, and the real world consists solely of a small group of selected subjects while ignoring the whole larger world? Someone is confusing BS with reality.
Try coming with evidence from the world at large and we can then have an intelligent discussion.
I even heard thar circumsized dicks grow bigger than uncircumcised! What a load of crap.... ! See how the falseness is used to lure in for ones desires!
In a study investigating the adequacy of condom sizes, Richters, Gerofi, and Donovan noted that circumcised men had significantly shorter erect penises by a mean length of 8mm than genitally intact men (p<.05). The difference in erect penile size was attributed to insufficient skin to accomodate the erection.
Richters J, Gerofi J,Donovan B. Are condoms the right size(s)? A method for self-measurement of the erect penis. Venereology 1995;8:77-81
What do I think about circumcision?. Not really much for what I think but for what I believe. I believe that circumcision have to do more with religion than anything else. It started with one man in the bible who was called & chosen by God. Since no one practiced circumcision, God told this man to do so as well as any male under his care as a covenant that those circumcised were the selected people from God. There other tribes that practice circumcision as proof of manhood.
@argent2020 Continued: Throughout time, circumcision became popularized giving the thought that circumcision is better to keep the bird clean & away from fungus & certain infections, & based on those thoughts, people followed without being religious people. Personally, I'm not circumcised & I'm glad for that, after all; I'm a Gentile :)
tlc-x tugger for "restoring" (you can't get the original sense organs in the original foreskin back, but there are amazing benefits). It is possible, and the results are so worth it
The health benefits angle is a nonsense, medically speaking. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't involuntary male circumcision adopted in the U.S. due to the efforts of one puritan doctor?
The way I understood it, it was a measure taken to reduce masturbation in males during the religious revival of the first half of the 20th century (especially in the 1950s).
@p34cekeeper Exactly. It IS nonsense. And you're correct in that it was originally meant to prevent boys from masturbating (which is ludicrous since all humans start touching themselves in the womb, indicating that it's totally natural).
@ashley060189 That's actually very true, the movement was made popular in America by Mr. Kellog(yes, the one who made all that cereal). I honestly wish I was joking, but he thought that he could end masturbation with a steady diet and by circumsizing young boys. Back then it was much harder to come by vaseline so it was actually fairly effective. Anyways just a little but of useless information for you :-P
Two things. First you are right it doesn't need to be done Paul writes in the bible it doesn't matter. However your comment that touching yourself is totally natural since humans start doing in the womb is not at all correct. Masturbation is not natural. Women are the only ones who believe its naturally, if you were a man and had to deal with the mess and come to the stark realization after you spill your sperm all over that it wasn't meant to go all over the ground. Sexuality is meant for two
First, you talk about Christianity and circumcision, and then go off on that irrational Jewish nonsense about masturbation...religion so screws up supposedly rational people.
Im Circumcised & I know for a FACT that the Foreskin causes no pleasure. The remaining foreskin on mine hurts when touch. The Sensitive pleasurable glands are all in the Head. It doesn't matter if the Head is "Lubed" by the Foreskin or not. I feel no pain at all when "rubbing one out". Im not Jewish, my Grandma worked as a Nurse at a Seniors home for 30 Years & convinced my Parents to cut me like she did to my Dad.
@HBKanedge818 you arer circumcised therefore you know about what it feels like to be a natural man. oh and yes. i did not say uncut because you know what!, most men ARENT circumcised so why should i use a term that sets the precedence that most men are cut. enjoy your jew cock!
"Clinically, the presence of smegma preputii is a rare finding; in a prospective examination of 4521 uncircumcised boys, only 0.5% had smegma [72]. In adult men with clinically confirmed phimosis, only 6% had smegma present on examination [73]. Smegma can also be found in up to 25% of circumcised male children [25] and can be detected in circumcised adults."
@HBKanedge818 LOL, at least my comment was accurate! that is such a pretentious insult! natural men are actually cleaner than butchered men. i hope you do realize that its no big deal to pull back the foreskin and apply la soap in the shower. your fucking pathetic, you cant even come up with an insult that isnt pretentious.
You have to remember that circumcisers have such a desperate need to justify their actions, that they will grasp onto any ridiculous excuse for exoneration that simple logic and common sense should be ignored.
Intact men are too stupid to retract, rinse and replace is such a difficult thing that we have to amputate the most sensitive part of their penis?
They can get us to the moon, but cannot wash themselves? How stupid can one be?
@Tandykane sounds about right. its just a silly petty way to justify their cultural barbarism. it just ANGERS me so much that they do this to innocent children. In one breath they say "pro life motherfuckers! yeaaa! you cant make decisions for that LIVING BEING!", and then before they even have time to draw breath for their next insipid insidious vile comment they say this, "chop its dick up!!!! its not a human being its a piece of property that belongs to the parents!"
@HBKanedge818 explain to me why you begin by saying oh. you havent said anything else.and now explain to me how what i said was racist, because what i said was TRUE. circumcision is a jewish tradition. YOU are actually the racist, because your saying its not OK to point out silly, stupid things they do because they need to be protected or something
@HBKanedge818 I'd challenge you to support that slur with evidence. Circumcision, as commonly practiced in America, is done mostly by non-Jews but originated in the Puritanical religious mind via its derivation from the Old Testament - which is the religious scripture of Judaism (more or less; I'm aware there are flaws in its translation), and influenced such Christian movements as Seventh-Day Adventism, which was largely responsible for its popularization. Knowing the history helps... Cheers
@HBKanedge818 Then why make a fuss accusing the other guy of anti-semitism? It's not me you need to make peace with, but him.
I love Jewish people. I also happen to support a ban that would make non-medically-necessary genital cutting of any American infant a felony crime. This stance doesn't make me, or anyone who shares it, an anti-semite. It's not taken *against* them, but *for* helpless baby boys. It is *their* freedom I am concerned about - the most powerless people involved in this. :\
I'm uncircumcised, and I am so glad that my parents gave me a choice. I will do the same for my children. Guys, if a girl doesn't like it she's immature and definitely someone you shouldn't be having sex with.
thank you for being open minded. i'm uncircumcied and i'm glad I am. guys who are circumcised think what they have is normal? and like to make fun of uncircumcised guys. what they have is man made (cut by a knife), what I have is natural. People make a big deal over it and they shouldn't. the skin retracts easily and can easily appear circumcised. HYGENE IS HYGENE CIRCUMCISED OR NOT.
@Tandykane I want to know what men who were circumcised as adults say, considering that men circumcised as infants or children don't know the difference.
Well, the Fink study of men cut as adults found a loss of sensitivity and some erectile impairment..how much more do you want?
And just how does this result in any way alter the fact that cut men suffer up to a 3/4 loss of sensation and sensitivity--OPINIONS do not reality change?
@Tandykane I know! But the stats you posted showed a high rate of satisfaction or neutral feelings, and very few dissatisfied people, so it looked like you were arguing that men actually tend to support circumcision.
Yes, and what you are ignoring is that these people chose to be circumcised due to an existing problem, so alleviation of the problem must be taken into account. With this in mind only 62% reported being satisfied IN SPITE of diminished sensitivity and erectile impairment.
And none of the studies show that the objective evidence of sensation and sensitivity loss--only that their SUBJECTIVE OPINION is that this is OK.
We have objective evidence vs subjective OPINIONS.
@Tandykane Holy crap, I just saw the other half of the stats. We are in agreement - the way you posted the data was confusing and I misunderstood. Do you have a link so I can share those stats?
Satisfaction with a loss of sensitivity is irrelevant to the fact that this loss exists. This subjective take hardly justifies forcing this loss onto helpless infants.
Instead of all these EXCUSES and APOLOGIAS for circumcision, how about providing a rational proven REASON for infant circumcision--we need this to justify forcing this practice on infants.
@Tandykane You misunderstand me completely. I absolutely do not support infant circumcision without a preexisting condition that cannot be treated in a less harmful way. No son of mine will be cut.
@foreskin6 well said. I think people in the US may be surprised to find out that in Europe and elsewhere (in teh First World), circumcision (male or female) is uncommon. This business of mutiliating children without their consent is usually limited to certain Bronze Age Abrahamic religions i.e. Judaism and Islam. With the Reformation, Enlightenment and discovery of running water ans soap, there really is no need for it any more.
um ppl get it done to prevent infection my cusin did not get it done when he was an infant and he got a bad infection so when he was 5 months old his mother went and got it done cause its more sanitary that way plus when i guys grow they are self conshious about the way it looks i know cause if herd it by sevral guys and it looks more natrual when its done for my personal standerds it should be done!
Sure, pick and choose anecdotes to support your position, and ignore the the same conditions CAUSED by circumcision.
Only those intact people in circumcising cultures (mainly Jews, Muslims and a decreasing number of Americans will feel out of place.
Intelligent people wash, stupid people amputate.
BTW I bet that his infections were caused by premature retraction..in foreskin educated countries later circumcision is only needed in 6 in 100,000 men.
I used to be fervently against it, but as I started becoming more religious (I am Jewish), I started to accept the religious reasons why it's done. I agree it's medically unnecessary, but I also believe parents have the right to make decisions about elective surgeries for their children.
@Tandykane Because they have the right to many other decisions in their children's lives. I should have the right to circumcise my child, to spank my child, to tattoo my child, or to refuse medical treatment for my child. Whether I choose to do any of those things is a different story...
And to the first question: logic based on faith is difficult for a person such as yourself to understand, so I am not going to try to explain.
@tovahification You are crazy! You probably also believe you have the right to rape your child and starve them! Children have rights. They are people NOT your property and if you don't treat them well they will be taken from you and you will have your parental rights ended!
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly "you wouldn't do those horrible things you listed"? When did I say that I did any of those things? You know what they say about assuming...
@Tandykane Of course children aren't property in the sense that you can't sell them, etc. However, parents can and do make many decisions for their children. This shouldn't be any different. It is already a cultural practice and can be performed safely...so people do not see it as harmful.
Actually religious reasons are pretty logical. My religion tells me what I can eat, what I can wear, who I can marry, how I behave...and what I can do with my body.
Good, now after you are finished with these pathetic excuses for mutilating infants, can you please provide a rational ethical justification for doing so?
I couldn't care less what silly things people choose to believe, I want a justification for this horrible practice. WHY SHOULD parents be allowed to damage their children?
Your superstitions tell you how to run your life. and you think this is LOGICAL?
This is about as logical as the Grimm's Fairy tales.
Sure, but unnecessary risks from an unnecessary practice hardly justifies the death from someone who has this FORCED on him--and even more tragic is this death when it motivated by some irrational belief in some imaginary sky giant obsessed with mutilating helpless infants.
These excuses are getting more and more pathetic and illogical with every attempt at justification.
@Tandykane AAP cites that .000002% die from circumcision. Your argument that "circumcision=death" is pretty weak. A child has a higher risk of dying from eating grapes.
"Your argument that "circumcision=death" is pretty weak." No it isn't--I have DOCUMENTED deaths from this mutilating practice--do you have any documented cases of a life saved by it?
@Tandykane I have DOCUMENTED deaths from children eating grapes, riding in cars, tripping, and crossing the street. My point is that that argument is NOT significant. Also, I'm not obsessed with mutilating genitals. First, circumcision is not mutilation. Second, I don't particularly care as much as you apparently do. And third, if you're against it...don't do it.
I used to be vehemently against it, really. But I favor parental rights.
YOU are still avoiding the crucial issue of necessity..how many UNNECESSARY deaths from an UNNECESSARY FORCED practice on infants is acceptable? Death is NOT significant? Sick!
Not mutilation? then you must provide a rational argument as to whay it is not mutilation.
Exactly if infants are against having their genitals mutilated--then don't force it onto them.
AGAIN-- WHY SHOULD parents have the right to mutilate their son's genitals?
@Tandykane "Death is NOT significant? Sick!" Frsrsly? That is so not what I said.
EVERYTHING has a possible risk of death. The extremely low death rate that results from circumcision is not significant enough to say "If you circumcise your child, he has a high chance of dying."
It's modified, not mutilated. You only use the term "mutilated" in order to try to get some emotion out of people.
AGAIN, parents have the right to every other decision in the lives of their children.
So, unnecessary deaths from an unnecessary forced practice is completely acceptable to you? Is there any upper limit to this acceptability?
I am sorry, but no amount of obfuscation and attempt at trivialization will alter the reality that this practice results in senseless, unnecessary deaths.
I use the dictionary definition of mutilation--not some your imaginary one.
WHY SHOULD parents have the right to endanger their child's life unnecessarily?
@Tandykane Mutilate: destroy or injure severely; mangle: alter so as to make unrecognizable; (mutilated) maimed: having a part of the body crippled or disabled.
If you weren't so dishonest, I might be able to take your opinion seriously.
EVERYTHING HAS A POSSIBLE RISK OF DEATH. If that's your argument, you might as well not have children because you'll find that everything that they do could ultimately result in death.
@Tandykane "To make imperfect" is the definition of the verb imperfect. Perfect is subjective therefore that would not be in any dictionary for the definition for mutilate.
EVERYTHING HAS THE RISK OF DEATH. Let's say I circumcise my child. He lives. Ok....now what? Your whole argument is that if you circumcise, your child will die. I better not put my child in the car either. Unnecessary practice that can lead to death. You were doing better with your bodily integrity argument.
No, my argument has been and still remains, is can you rationally justify this practice, can you provide a rational reason why parents should be allowed to unnecessarily endanger the lives of their children, why should parents be allowed to cause forced unnecessary damage to their child's genitals...
And not one of these have you answered. Just danced around these critical questions.
Perfect genitals are defined with very normal male birth--and objective.
@Tandykane AGAIN because parents have the right to make decisions for their children, whether it be to circumcise, to vaccinate, to medicate, etc. Parents have rights over their children even if you don't have to agree with their actions.
You can't use "the risk of death" argument because EVERYTHING HAS A RISK OF DEATH. Circumcision is not dangerous if it is done by a competent individual in a safe and clean environment...like every other surgery in the history of mankind.
"AGAIN because parents have the right to make decisions"
Corrections- they are allowed to do this, but you are unable to provide a rational reason WHY they SHOULD. in the end not morally or ethically justifiable.
"Circumcision is not dangerous if it is done by a competent individual in a safe and clean environment."
Do I need to provide some of the hundreds of documented disasters to prove this fallacy wrong?
Face it, you cannot morally or ethically justify this, and all of your sad excuses merely expose the fact that this practice is morally and ethically bankrupt.
"You were doing better with your bodily integrity argument." ALL of my arguments against this have more merit than your pathetic excuses for it.
You have not provided any rational reason for it!
MY whole argument is that this is unnecessary, with unnecessary risks, causes unnecessary harm, and violates the child's human right of bodily integrity--and you have no argument.
@Tandykane THEY DONT REMEMBER IT WONT HAUNT THEM FOR LIFE MY HUSBAND HAD IT DONE HE DONT REMEMBER MY SON HAD IT DONE HE CERTANLY WONT REMEMBER A THING YOU GUYS NEED MORE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START JUDGING GET A LIFE!!!!!!!! IF THE DOCTOR KNOWS WHAT THERE DOING THEN IT WILL BE OK THINGS HAPPEN BADLY CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIANCE!!!!!!!!
"The Reason for circumcision is to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. Violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished."
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Moses Maimonides (Rabbi, Philosopher, Scholar, Physician) 1135-1204 AD
So, having lost up to 3/4 of your penile sensation and sensitivity is no problem? I would think that would be something TO complain about. But ignorance is bliss.
I didn't mutilate my son. It is his body not mine!
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apriliaktm7 9 hours ago
Don't believe in circumcision! I am complete and glad for it, it gives my wife something more to play with!
8475143117 9 hours ago
@Foloman1 No I'm not mutilated just smart.
thatguy4885 11 hours ago
yay to us few circumcised people. Im glad I dont have my foreskin
thatguy4885 15 hours ago
@thatguy4885 Glad that you're mutilated? Weird!
Foloman1 12 hours ago
@thatguy4885
Easy to say that when you've never had it.
I'm glad I have mine.
lastplacewin 11 hours ago
fuck the circumcision
imranmehedigulib 19 hours ago
@imranmehedigulib Fuck you anti-semite!
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It is obvious that you are woefully ignorant of the normal penis--NO one should EVER retract the foreskin on a child to clean under it--this causes damage and that Phimosis that you claim necessitates a circumcision.
"Just a piece of skin"? More ignorance!
BRITISH JOURNAL OF UROLOGY, Volume 77, Pages 291-295,February 1996.
The prepuce: Specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision
by J.R. Taylor, A.P. Lockwood and A.J. Taylor
Tandykane 19 hours ago
The fore skin protects the penis from insect bite when you're asleep. But from a girl view point I think it's like a gift wrap. Only a Christian would send a gift without the wrapping LOL !
sinnieleeonUtube 19 hours ago
Circumcision is VERY similar to Scientology! ;)
When did the USA REALLY become an ally of Israel and can a connection be drawn. Most of Isreal are not truely jewish, so I am not being critical of a religion. I am critical of politics.
Forgive my spelling...I am not an english speaker.
shilltheshillXXX 2 days ago
Its easier to take it off than it is to put it back on. Just sayin.'
CAMERONDAMNIT 3 days ago
@CAMERONDAMNIT
And way too often more effort is applied to cutting it off than to the concept that it cannot be put back. And easier and more profitable to remove it than find simple ways to preserve it like most more-educated cultures do.
Tandykane 2 days ago
@08clanic1
So you're married, have a kid, talk to other men about their dicks, and you have openly stated that circumcision should be done because it is your own "personal preference".... I feel sorry for your child, husband, and every other man who has to deal with the ignorance woman like you bring into the world.
Apocules13 4 days ago
Dude foreskin feels good when your smashing trust me(;
obeyJETLIFE 5 days ago
circumcision is a jewish tradition....thes the thing with america we are comprised of Pop culture ..whatever is the most popular that is what we run with..without questioning to much about whether we should run with it or not ..
leejee88 5 days ago
good on you. most idiots seem to think it doesn't matter to do it it to a guy coz 'he's a guy'
calabiyou 5 days ago
circumcision was started by Abraham as a covenant to God, its a sacrifice to that which made us so Jewish men have been circumcised since then and since Jesus was born Jewish he was more than likely circumcised as well so Christians just continued the practice...everyone can decide for themselves (though its odd since its ultimately the parent's choice and not the child's)
TreytheRockstar 5 days ago
@TreytheRockstar
Sorry, but a mistaken belief that some imaginary sky giant demands this involuntary sacrifice.does not justify this.
Yes, this "parents should decide" is nothing but cognitive dissonance when it comes to "everyone should make a choice" renders this as complete nonsense.
BTW, this "circumcision covenant is not original--it was added by the priests ca. 550BCE. And scholars deem Abraham a myth.
Tandykane 5 days ago
i hate how people generalise it to be a religious cultural thing... In Australia, a lot of white guys born in the 60's,70's are circumsised.. And I cant stand guys with the cottage cheese skin! seriously. My ex was circumsised as a baby, HE DIDNT REMEMBER! and he's glad he has a cut penis.
ffsjademae 5 days ago
@ffsjademae
Cottage cheese? That is pure BS--and ignorance.check out the stats.
Not remembering losing up to 3/4 of one's penile sensation and sensitivity is hardly a rational justification.
BTW, rates in OZ are down to 5%..your poor husband will be a minority.
Tandykane 5 days ago
@Tandykane look, sorry to offend anyone, probably a bit ignorant. but... its true that its pretty much and even stat of what women prefer. esp this generation. but please find me the reference to that stat please of that 5%.. he's def not a minority coz ive known a lot of Caucasian men to actually majority be cut mostly over the age of 30... Again, im entitled to an opinion, im aussie, athiest. and im a woman.. and from experiences, there is no way i think id ever touch an uncut one.
ffsjademae 5 days ago
@ffsjademae
My bad--the rate is 10.6% --Health Insurance Commission Australia.
yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but that does not entitle one to force circumcision onto helpless infants.
If you have never touched a normal penis, then you do not have a preference, you have an irrational prejudice.
READ the O'Hara study before making specious claims.
Tandykane 5 days ago
letting everyone know. as a contemporary young adult.. i dont like guys my age becuase i dont like intact penis', find them disgusting and gross... iam entitled to an opinion
ffsjademae 5 days ago
@ffsjademae enjoy your jew cock
obamasucksdick99 5 days ago
@obamasucksdick99 umm, someone hates their uncut cock... what's the cheese stuck between your foreskin like? blergh... btw, umm.. not jew, english, scottish, australian! no jew at all, not based on religion. its becuase CLEAN AND LESS DISGUSTING!!
ffsjademae 5 days ago
@obamasucksdick99 well its a Muslim cock, but thanks anyways, not only i am enjoying it , but the ladies around me as well, my free advice is that if you don't have trouble with your fore skin, then its OK, but learn and save others, as I am telling you, circumcision is far better, and I am talking about everyday life ,hygiene and sex, if you want to research about the scientific benefits , then Google is there for you.
major9211 5 days ago
@major9211
There is not a single thing about circumcision that is better--and sex certainly is not better...
Int.J. Epidem. (2011) 40(5); p.1367-1381
Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark
Hygiene? Retract, rinse, replace--something any man can manage.
KNOWING ladies sure do not prefer chopped sex:
BJU INTERNATIONAL, Volume 83, Supplement 1, Pages 79-84,January 1, 1999.
Tandykane 5 days ago
@Tandykane I don't know but I have asked this question more than 50 times in female gathering and 10% girls said that they don't care if it is circumcised or not , 90% said that they preferred circumcised as it is clean, its not about you actually....if you don't like circumcision i agree, i wonder if I have to go through surgery in my age,it would be scary and a mess, I wont agree probably,thats why it should be done in young age, it heals better, but you stick to what you got,its your dick.
major9211 5 days ago
@major9211
Thanks for the anecdotes from culturally indoctrinated cultures, but I will stick to peer-reviewed study of preferences based on KNOWING both--and not some sill prejudice..and evidence of which is better,,
Int.J. Epidem. (2011) 40(5); p.1367-1381
Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark
Tandykane 5 days ago
@major9211
WHY would you assume you would ever have need circumcision..for a man who was not circumcised as an infant the chances of him having to get circumcised as a adult are extremely rare. In fact it's only 6 in 100,000. (0.006%)
Tandykane 5 days ago
@major9211
"90% said that they preferred circumcised as it is clean" Ah, the tired old "clean" myth..retract, rinse, replace--much easier than trying to clean female genitalia..and a myth discarded decades ago..
HYGIENE: "Circumcision has been suggested as an effective method of maintaining penile hygiene since the time of the Egyptian dynasties, but there is little evidence to affirm the association between circumcision status and optimum penile hygiene." - AAP
Tandykane 5 days ago
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The foreskin contains more nerve endings than any other part of the penis, that's just fact. In the largest study on circumcision in South Korea, Seoul University found 33% of men who were circumcised reported difficulty attaining sexual gratification, 63% said masturbation less enjoyable, and 11% had "frequent" orgasm difficulties.
(Kim, Peng et all, Seoul University)
tipoomaster 6 days ago
Part-3: a person should circumcise his kids in young age as as a person grows older he gets more and more scared of it. I can tell you from personnel experience that circumcision is good.
major9211 1 week ago
@major9211
A wake up call, Muslims and all stupid people do it because that are stupid and/or ignorant. There is not a rational reason for circumcision--just a lot of stupid excuses.
Find a better class of women--those not ignorant.
Retract, rinse, replace--if too stupid to do that, then chop the whole thing off.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane you are an ignorant so don't try to teach me,what i wrote is my experience, try to watch videos here...in Rwanda, govt is trying to get all male circumcised, I try to keep an open mind and I had friends from all over the world, as well as I had girlfriends from 15 different countries, all girls were studying bachelor or masters, so there you go, they were top class women mentally, further more not once any of them questioned my erection or size, try to keep an open mind.
major9211 1 week ago
@major9211
Sorry, but I rely on anecdotes contradicted by the evidence to the extent that I believe in Santa Claus..come back with valid evidence and then we can have an intelligent discussion.
Foreskin useless? Seems you are arguing from ignorance-educate yourself:
BRITISH JOURNAL OF UROLOGY, Volume 77, Pages 291-295,February 1996.
The prepuce: Specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision
by J.R. Taylor, A.P. Lockwood and A.J. Taylor
Tandykane 1 week ago
@major9211
Sorry to hear that Rwanda is stupid and foolish enough to fall for the circumcision scam.
People satisfied with having lost up to 3/4 of their penile sensation and sensitivity? Hardly a logic position.
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
It is difficult trying to have an educated discussion with some one who is not educated
Educate yourself!
Tandykane 1 week ago
@major9211
EVERY circumcised man suffers from up to 3/4 of his penile sensation and sensitivity.
Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss 2 0 07 BJU INTERNATIONAL 2007
Tandykane 1 week ago
@major9211 You were circumcised as an infant, yes? In a way, your opinion is moot since being circumcised is all you've ever known. You're talking about how your life is "better" because of it... How do you know? Fact is, you can't possibly know. But cutting a child's genitals without their active & informed consent is, in most cases, unethical. People with your viewpoint almost always seem to shy away from one thing in this case: that which looks unfamiliar.
ashley060189 1 week ago 6
@ashley060189 I was 4 years old and I do remember, my father was a doctor and my uncle his brother is one of the top doctors in Canada, and I saw the problems people were having b cuz of fore skin, one of my girlfriend decided to circumcise her younger brother, as she thought it was good her brother was 12 years old and he was quite scared, but after it was done he thanked me, circumcision is not necessary, but its better, to avoid feuture complications, and you cant guess future.
major9211 1 week ago
@major9211
Have you ever compared the rates of problems caused by circumcision?
These are much more common & much more disastrous than from being intact..
It is not rational to pick out anecdotes about a few circumcision "needed" here and there, and just ignore the larger picture of documented cases of damage done.
for a man who was not circumcised as an infant the chances of him having to get circumcised as a adult are extremely rare. In fact it's only 6 in 100,000. (0.006%)
Tandykane 6 days ago
@Tandykane the population of Pakistan is 173,593,380, and every male in Pakistan is circumcised, never have seen or heard a problem, complication , you collect figures of population of Muslim countries all over the world and I assure you every male 99.9% is circumcised, after that you count Jews + all other countries and individuals who prefer circumcision, more that half of the world I think is circumcised.may be 70%. so what you say?they all went nuts and you are one genius?
major9211 6 days ago
@major9211
Never seen or heard of complication? Perhaps you need to do a little research and you will discover a plethora of them--even death.
You might even discover that only ~20% of men in the world are circumcised...and that many are NOT happy being circumcised.
Educate yourself, and spare me the myths.
Tandykane 6 days ago
@major9211 About a third of males in the world of circumcised. Leave behind for religious delusions for just a few minutes and think about it from a rational and reasonable perspective. It is genital mutilation. The foreskin is not a birth defect, it protects the head of the penis and keeps it sensitive. The purpose of circumcision, both male and female, is to reduce sexual pleasure by as much as possible while still leaving the organ functional.
Pillowpants8495 5 days ago
@major9211
You think 70% of the world is circumcised? I'm not even going to bother.
BillyHerrington69 3 days ago 3
@Tandykane the population of Pakistan is 173,593,380, and every male in Pakistan is circumcised, never have seen or heard a problem, complication , you collect figures of population of Muslim countries all over the world and I assure you every male 99.9% is circumcised, after that you count Jews + all other countries and individuals who prefer circumcision, more that half of the world I think is circumcised.may be 70%. so what you say?they all went nuts and you are one genius?
major9211 6 days ago
@major9211
BTW, do you not think that losing up to 3/4 of one's penile sensation and sensitivity is a problem?
If not, what in your mind, would be a problem or complication?
Tandykane 6 days ago
@ashley060189 i regret getting a circumcision. i requested it when i was in jr high because i thought it was considered abnormal to not get it. but for mainly sexual reasons, i wish i still had that extra foreskin just so that a woman can slide it down and play with it.
0326hkim 5 hours ago
@major9211 enjoy your jew cock
obamasucksdick99 5 days ago
part 2:one of my friend was telling me that he always bleeds in an intercourse as the skin sticks to his penis head, one other friend of mine told that his skin is breaking during the intercourse , just think if it breaks deep in female organ and it rottens there, but I knew many who doesn't have any problem at all, so my opinion is that circumcision should be necessary for all as you never know what will happen in older age, most girls told me they prefer circumcised dick as its clean, part-3
major9211 1 week ago
Please get your facts straight, all Muslims and Jews are circumcised for sure, and they are not in USA,well i think its great and clean,the problem is that for some, it creates health hazards and for some it never dose,as a person grows of age he gets scared of it so in our Muslim case they do it when we are kids, some 6 months old and in my case i was 4 years old and i remember the event, circumcision never effects on your size,i will write the rest in part 2
major9211 1 week ago
@major9211
"never affects the size"? WRONG!
In a study investigating the adequacy of condom sizes, Richters, Gerofi, and Donovan noted that circumcised men had significantly shorter erect penises by a mean length of 8mm than genitally intact men (p<.05). The difference in erect penile size was attributed to insufficient skin to accomodate the erection.
Richters J, Gerofi J,Donovan B. Are condoms the right size(s)? Venereology 1995;8:77-81
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane ...oh I am sorry if you are worried about your size and try to show some use less stinking fore skin to fool ladies, and you are well aware that the fore skin is just visual size, in process it moves back and is use less, I had a good debate with people from other religions who were not circumcised, some were having trouble and some were OK with it, if you ask my opinion, it is far better, I like it and have absolutely no problem what so ever.
major9211 1 week ago
I like it.
newcarabu 1 week ago
All videos on circumcision are made by women, and all aren't in favor of it.. because women like to turn men on, which isn't possible with circumcised males.
UrineBroth68 2 weeks ago
@UrineBroth68 ...i am circumcised and women turn me on...what kind of comment is that?
major9211 1 week ago
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UrineBroth68 2 weeks ago
The issue is not whether circumcision is good or bad, if you want to be circumcised, be my guest, find a doctor and go for it! But if you want to hold down a baby and circumcise him/her, that is just sick!
Inventio13 2 weeks ago
i needed to be circumcised cuz my 4skn would'nt pull back with out pain. so in my case i needed it. do you still think your not in favour of it. or do you just mean men having it done just for the sake of it. plz reply. oh im also on meth.
TheTdub35 2 weeks ago
@TheTdub35
Phimosis is easily cured by applying a steroid cream and simple stretching--too bad you didn't know of this simple remedy before choosing to get your foreskin amputated--or that the quack who circumcised your didn't know this remedy.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane Circumcision cures all stop spreading all these fake shamanistic remedies that you stole from a 3rd world country, dumb putz.
MrJewishWarrior 1 week ago
@MrJewishWarrior
OK, now show me where in the REAL world (as opposed to the paper world) we can find these alleged "cures".
Tandykane 1 week ago
@Tandykane The studies came from the real world schmuck they were then written on PAPER, you Goy putzes crack me up!
MrJewishWarrior 1 week ago
@MrJewishWarrior
Gee, and the real world consists solely of a small group of selected subjects while ignoring the whole larger world? Someone is confusing BS with reality.
Try coming with evidence from the world at large and we can then have an intelligent discussion.
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Tandykane 2 weeks ago
I even heard thar circumsized dicks grow bigger than uncircumcised! What a load of crap.... ! See how the falseness is used to lure in for ones desires!
saznrai 2 weeks ago 6
@saznrai
Yes, crap..
In a study investigating the adequacy of condom sizes, Richters, Gerofi, and Donovan noted that circumcised men had significantly shorter erect penises by a mean length of 8mm than genitally intact men (p<.05). The difference in erect penile size was attributed to insufficient skin to accomodate the erection.
Richters J, Gerofi J,Donovan B. Are condoms the right size(s)? A method for self-measurement of the erect penis. Venereology 1995;8:77-81
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@saznrai
I'm pretty sure that "falseness" isn't a word.
djvardar 3 days ago
@saznrai
"Untruthatude" - maybe.
djvardar 3 days ago
What do I think about circumcision?. Not really much for what I think but for what I believe. I believe that circumcision have to do more with religion than anything else. It started with one man in the bible who was called & chosen by God. Since no one practiced circumcision, God told this man to do so as well as any male under his care as a covenant that those circumcised were the selected people from God. There other tribes that practice circumcision as proof of manhood.
argent2020 2 weeks ago
@argent2020 Continued: Throughout time, circumcision became popularized giving the thought that circumcision is better to keep the bird clean & away from fungus & certain infections, & based on those thoughts, people followed without being religious people. Personally, I'm not circumcised & I'm glad for that, after all; I'm a Gentile :)
argent2020 2 weeks ago
i got a 8.5 inch circumcised cock for you to try out and see if you like it.
SlaveMaster62 2 weeks ago
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ZimmermanHound 2 weeks ago
tlc-x tugger for "restoring" (you can't get the original sense organs in the original foreskin back, but there are amazing benefits). It is possible, and the results are so worth it
vipinigy 3 weeks ago
I agree with you and I don't support the practice. It is mutilation.
sk8ross 3 weeks ago
The health benefits angle is a nonsense, medically speaking. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't involuntary male circumcision adopted in the U.S. due to the efforts of one puritan doctor?
The way I understood it, it was a measure taken to reduce masturbation in males during the religious revival of the first half of the 20th century (especially in the 1950s).
p34cekeeper 3 weeks ago 8
@p34cekeeper Exactly. It IS nonsense. And you're correct in that it was originally meant to prevent boys from masturbating (which is ludicrous since all humans start touching themselves in the womb, indicating that it's totally natural).
ashley060189 3 weeks ago 7
@ashley060189
A cursory minute or so of Wikipedia research would seem to indicate John Harvey Kellog (that Kellog) is the doctor I was thinking of.
p34cekeeper 3 weeks ago
@ashley060189 I think you pretty much answered your own questions in that vid.
If you want LOTS of info on the subject, Google "CIRCUMSTICIONS" and click on the 1st result.
(Sorry if this has been pointed out to you already.)
em745aa 3 weeks ago
@ashley060189 That's actually very true, the movement was made popular in America by Mr. Kellog(yes, the one who made all that cereal). I honestly wish I was joking, but he thought that he could end masturbation with a steady diet and by circumsizing young boys. Back then it was much harder to come by vaseline so it was actually fairly effective. Anyways just a little but of useless information for you :-P
LugeoOrbis 2 weeks ago
Two things. First you are right it doesn't need to be done Paul writes in the bible it doesn't matter. However your comment that touching yourself is totally natural since humans start doing in the womb is not at all correct. Masturbation is not natural. Women are the only ones who believe its naturally, if you were a man and had to deal with the mess and come to the stark realization after you spill your sperm all over that it wasn't meant to go all over the ground. Sexuality is meant for two
superdubman999 1 week ago
@superdubman999
First, you talk about Christianity and circumcision, and then go off on that irrational Jewish nonsense about masturbation...religion so screws up supposedly rational people.
Tandykane 1 week ago
@ashley060189
Im Circumcised & I know for a FACT that the Foreskin causes no pleasure. The remaining foreskin on mine hurts when touch. The Sensitive pleasurable glands are all in the Head. It doesn't matter if the Head is "Lubed" by the Foreskin or not. I feel no pain at all when "rubbing one out". Im not Jewish, my Grandma worked as a Nurse at a Seniors home for 30 Years & convinced my Parents to cut me like she did to my Dad.
HBKanedge818 6 days ago
@HBKanedge818 you arer circumcised therefore you know about what it feels like to be a natural man. oh and yes. i did not say uncut because you know what!, most men ARENT circumcised so why should i use a term that sets the precedence that most men are cut. enjoy your jew cock!
obamasucksdick99 5 days ago
@obamasucksdick99
Enjoy eating the Crusty Cheesy Smegma out of your weiner flap douchebag.
HBKanedge818 5 days ago
@HBKanedge818
Gee, another uneducated myth-mongerer,,
"Clinically, the presence of smegma preputii is a rare finding; in a prospective examination of 4521 uncircumcised boys, only 0.5% had smegma [72]. In adult men with clinically confirmed phimosis, only 6% had smegma present on examination [73]. Smegma can also be found in up to 25% of circumcised male children [25] and can be detected in circumcised adults."
Tandykane 5 days ago
@HBKanedge818 LOL, at least my comment was accurate! that is such a pretentious insult! natural men are actually cleaner than butchered men. i hope you do realize that its no big deal to pull back the foreskin and apply la soap in the shower. your fucking pathetic, you cant even come up with an insult that isnt pretentious.
obamasucksdick99 5 days ago
@obamasucksdick99
You have to remember that circumcisers have such a desperate need to justify their actions, that they will grasp onto any ridiculous excuse for exoneration that simple logic and common sense should be ignored.
Intact men are too stupid to retract, rinse and replace is such a difficult thing that we have to amputate the most sensitive part of their penis?
They can get us to the moon, but cannot wash themselves? How stupid can one be?
Tandykane 5 days ago
@Tandykane sounds about right. its just a silly petty way to justify their cultural barbarism. it just ANGERS me so much that they do this to innocent children. In one breath they say "pro life motherfuckers! yeaaa! you cant make decisions for that LIVING BEING!", and then before they even have time to draw breath for their next insipid insidious vile comment they say this, "chop its dick up!!!! its not a human being its a piece of property that belongs to the parents!"
obamasucksdick99 5 days ago
@obamasucksdick99
Oh & your racist against Jews. Yeah, I can see your a real winner.
HBKanedge818 1 day ago
@HBKanedge818
BORING!!!
Every time their obsession with mutilating infant genitals is questioned or challenged, they wheel out the antisemitism card.
Tandykane 1 day ago
@HBKanedge818 explain to me why you begin by saying oh. you havent said anything else.and now explain to me how what i said was racist, because what i said was TRUE. circumcision is a jewish tradition. YOU are actually the racist, because your saying its not OK to point out silly, stupid things they do because they need to be protected or something
obamasucksdick99 1 day ago
@HBKanedge818 I'd challenge you to support that slur with evidence. Circumcision, as commonly practiced in America, is done mostly by non-Jews but originated in the Puritanical religious mind via its derivation from the Old Testament - which is the religious scripture of Judaism (more or less; I'm aware there are flaws in its translation), and influenced such Christian movements as Seventh-Day Adventism, which was largely responsible for its popularization. Knowing the history helps... Cheers
nfinn42 23 hours ago
@nfinn42
I didn't even know the History. My family espesically my Grandparents are very Christian. Peace.
HBKanedge818 22 hours ago
@HBKanedge818 Then why make a fuss accusing the other guy of anti-semitism? It's not me you need to make peace with, but him.
I love Jewish people. I also happen to support a ban that would make non-medically-necessary genital cutting of any American infant a felony crime. This stance doesn't make me, or anyone who shares it, an anti-semite. It's not taken *against* them, but *for* helpless baby boys. It is *their* freedom I am concerned about - the most powerless people involved in this. :\
nfinn42 22 hours ago
I'm uncircumcised, and I am so glad that my parents gave me a choice. I will do the same for my children. Guys, if a girl doesn't like it she's immature and definitely someone you shouldn't be having sex with.
Zirnon 3 weeks ago
LADYS GET OVER IT. PENNIS IS SUPPOSE TO SMELL BAD AND HAV HOOD. PLEASE DON TALK WITH YOUR MOUTH FULL
Wentfradump 3 weeks ago
thank you for being open minded. i'm uncircumcied and i'm glad I am. guys who are circumcised think what they have is normal? and like to make fun of uncircumcised guys. what they have is man made (cut by a knife), what I have is natural. People make a big deal over it and they shouldn't. the skin retracts easily and can easily appear circumcised. HYGENE IS HYGENE CIRCUMCISED OR NOT.
foreskin6 3 weeks ago
@foreskin6
Interestingly, this survey shows the difference in satisfaction of penile states:
A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood
T. Hammond, BJU International (83, Suppl. 1), p. 85-92, January, 1999 circumcised intact
Satisfied 38% 78%
Dissatisfied 20% 3%
Ambivalent 41% 17%
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane I want to know what men who were circumcised as adults say, considering that men circumcised as infants or children don't know the difference.
lorelome 2 weeks ago
@lorelome
Well, the Fink study of men cut as adults found a loss of sensitivity and some erectile impairment..how much more do you want?
And just how does this result in any way alter the fact that cut men suffer up to a 3/4 loss of sensation and sensitivity--OPINIONS do not reality change?
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane I know! But the stats you posted showed a high rate of satisfaction or neutral feelings, and very few dissatisfied people, so it looked like you were arguing that men actually tend to support circumcision.
lorelome 2 weeks ago
@lorelome
Yes, and what you are ignoring is that these people chose to be circumcised due to an existing problem, so alleviation of the problem must be taken into account. With this in mind only 62% reported being satisfied IN SPITE of diminished sensitivity and erectile impairment.
And none of the studies show that the objective evidence of sensation and sensitivity loss--only that their SUBJECTIVE OPINION is that this is OK.
We have objective evidence vs subjective OPINIONS.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane Holy crap, I just saw the other half of the stats. We are in agreement - the way you posted the data was confusing and I misunderstood. Do you have a link so I can share those stats?
lorelome 2 weeks ago
@lorelome
I sent the link and offer for many others to your personal channel.
Glad you decided to leave the choice to your son--many and many more people are doing this realizing that the choice should be his and his alone.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@lorelome
Satisfaction with a loss of sensitivity is irrelevant to the fact that this loss exists. This subjective take hardly justifies forcing this loss onto helpless infants.
Instead of all these EXCUSES and APOLOGIAS for circumcision, how about providing a rational proven REASON for infant circumcision--we need this to justify forcing this practice on infants.
Tandykane 2 weeks ago
@Tandykane You misunderstand me completely. I absolutely do not support infant circumcision without a preexisting condition that cannot be treated in a less harmful way. No son of mine will be cut.
lorelome 2 weeks ago
@foreskin6 well said. I think people in the US may be surprised to find out that in Europe and elsewhere (in teh First World), circumcision (male or female) is uncommon. This business of mutiliating children without their consent is usually limited to certain Bronze Age Abrahamic religions i.e. Judaism and Islam. With the Reformation, Enlightenment and discovery of running water ans soap, there really is no need for it any more.
blueray1969 3 weeks ago
I'll give you something to research...
kearney1234 3 weeks ago
and when its done there is no trama cause the baby dosent remember it ppl really need to grow up its safe my son is healthy and has it done!
08clanic1 3 weeks ago
@08clanic1
Not remembering it justifies it? HOW?
Safe-except for the numerous adverse events--including death.
You son and husband have lost up to 3/4 of their penile sensation and sensitivity.
MY preference is for circumcised females.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
um ppl get it done to prevent infection my cusin did not get it done when he was an infant and he got a bad infection so when he was 5 months old his mother went and got it done cause its more sanitary that way plus when i guys grow they are self conshious about the way it looks i know cause if herd it by sevral guys and it looks more natrual when its done for my personal standerds it should be done!
08clanic1 3 weeks ago
@08clanic1
Sure, pick and choose anecdotes to support your position, and ignore the the same conditions CAUSED by circumcision.
Only those intact people in circumcising cultures (mainly Jews, Muslims and a decreasing number of Americans will feel out of place.
Intelligent people wash, stupid people amputate.
BTW I bet that his infections were caused by premature retraction..in foreskin educated countries later circumcision is only needed in 6 in 100,000 men.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
His body his choice! I love me some foreskin!
lovins88 3 weeks ago
PENNIS IS SUPPOSE TO HAVE LONG SKIN AND IT IS SUPPOSE TO SMELL BAD. GET USE TO IT LADYS.
Wentfradump 3 weeks ago
Don't talk down to me. I probably have more education than most of the
people on this page. I've taught for 3 colleges and universities. When I
said consider the source, that would include credibility. As Medical
Journal are credible, that's why doctors publish in them.
nmfunrider 4 weeks ago
@nmfunrider
"When I said consider the source, that would include credibility. As Medical Journal are credible, that's why doctors publish in them.
It seems you, in your education, missed this:
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False John P. A. Ioannidis
An Epidemic of False Claims--Competition and conflicts of interest distort too many medical findings By John P. A. Ioannidis
Try using REALITY as a credible source...science does.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
I used to be fervently against it, but as I started becoming more religious (I am Jewish), I started to accept the religious reasons why it's done. I agree it's medically unnecessary, but I also believe parents have the right to make decisions about elective surgeries for their children.
tovahification 4 weeks ago
@tovahification
So, you think superstitious beliefs somehow justify infant genital mutilation? How does this qualify as a rational thought process?
I am afraid you need to supply a rational justification for this violation of a child's basic human right of bodily integrity.
WHY SHOULD parents have the right to damage the genitals of their children?
ANY rational answer?
Tandykane 4 weeks ago
@Tandykane Because they have the right to many other decisions in their children's lives. I should have the right to circumcise my child, to spank my child, to tattoo my child, or to refuse medical treatment for my child. Whether I choose to do any of those things is a different story...
And to the first question: logic based on faith is difficult for a person such as yourself to understand, so I am not going to try to explain.
tovahification 4 weeks ago
@tovahification You are crazy! You probably also believe you have the right to rape your child and starve them! Children have rights. They are people NOT your property and if you don't treat them well they will be taken from you and you will have your parental rights ended!
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 4 weeks ago
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly Bah, of course not. Personally I believe life is precious.
tovahification 4 weeks ago
@tovahification If you valued life you wouldn't do those horrible things you listed
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 4 weeks ago
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly "you wouldn't do those horrible things you listed"? When did I say that I did any of those things? You know what they say about assuming...
tovahification 4 weeks ago
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly BTW, the things that I listed are not illegal in the majority of states. Raping and starving a child is illegal.
tovahification 4 weeks ago
@tovahification
I am not talking legality, but morality--your argument is the same as those used by slave owners. Hide behind the law?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
There is a law that blows all of these assertions out of the water--the FGM law does not allow you to circumcise your daughter for ANY reason.
So again, I am asking WHY SHOULD you be allowed to do it to your son? Do you have any rational justification for this to be allowed?
Sons are not property!
There is NO logic in superstitious beliefs--it is completely illogical.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane Of course children aren't property in the sense that you can't sell them, etc. However, parents can and do make many decisions for their children. This shouldn't be any different. It is already a cultural practice and can be performed safely...so people do not see it as harmful.
Actually religious reasons are pretty logical. My religion tells me what I can eat, what I can wear, who I can marry, how I behave...and what I can do with my body.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
Good, now after you are finished with these pathetic excuses for mutilating infants, can you please provide a rational ethical justification for doing so?
I couldn't care less what silly things people choose to believe, I want a justification for this horrible practice. WHY SHOULD parents be allowed to damage their children?
Your superstitions tell you how to run your life. and you think this is LOGICAL?
This is about as logical as the Grimm's Fairy tales.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
".so people do not see it as harmful."
And do these anonymous people know that many die each year from this barbaric practice? How is that NOT harmful?
No one is more blind than he who CHOOSES not to see.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane Every surgery has risks, this isn't anything new.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
Sure, but unnecessary risks from an unnecessary practice hardly justifies the death from someone who has this FORCED on him--and even more tragic is this death when it motivated by some irrational belief in some imaginary sky giant obsessed with mutilating helpless infants.
These excuses are getting more and more pathetic and illogical with every attempt at justification.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane AAP cites that .000002% die from circumcision. Your argument that "circumcision=death" is pretty weak. A child has a higher risk of dying from eating grapes.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
So, your sense of morality will accept HOW many unnecessary deaths from an unnecessary procedure--one, ten, hundred, thousand--HOW MANY?
I would like to know just how deep your obsession for genital mutilation runs.
WHEN do we get this rational ethical justification for infant genital mutilation?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
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@tovahification
"Your argument that "circumcision=death" is pretty weak." No it isn't--I have DOCUMENTED deaths from this mutilating practice--do you have any documented cases of a life saved by it?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane I have DOCUMENTED deaths from children eating grapes, riding in cars, tripping, and crossing the street. My point is that that argument is NOT significant. Also, I'm not obsessed with mutilating genitals. First, circumcision is not mutilation. Second, I don't particularly care as much as you apparently do. And third, if you're against it...don't do it.
I used to be vehemently against it, really. But I favor parental rights.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
YOU are still avoiding the crucial issue of necessity..how many UNNECESSARY deaths from an UNNECESSARY FORCED practice on infants is acceptable? Death is NOT significant? Sick!
Not mutilation? then you must provide a rational argument as to whay it is not mutilation.
Exactly if infants are against having their genitals mutilated--then don't force it onto them.
AGAIN-- WHY SHOULD parents have the right to mutilate their son's genitals?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane "Death is NOT significant? Sick!" Frsrsly? That is so not what I said.
EVERYTHING has a possible risk of death. The extremely low death rate that results from circumcision is not significant enough to say "If you circumcise your child, he has a high chance of dying."
It's modified, not mutilated. You only use the term "mutilated" in order to try to get some emotion out of people.
AGAIN, parents have the right to every other decision in the lives of their children.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
So, unnecessary deaths from an unnecessary forced practice is completely acceptable to you? Is there any upper limit to this acceptability?
I am sorry, but no amount of obfuscation and attempt at trivialization will alter the reality that this practice results in senseless, unnecessary deaths.
I use the dictionary definition of mutilation--not some your imaginary one.
WHY SHOULD parents have the right to endanger their child's life unnecessarily?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane Mutilate: destroy or injure severely; mangle: alter so as to make unrecognizable; (mutilated) maimed: having a part of the body crippled or disabled.
If you weren't so dishonest, I might be able to take your opinion seriously.
EVERYTHING HAS A POSSIBLE RISK OF DEATH. If that's your argument, you might as well not have children because you'll find that everything that they do could ultimately result in death.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
Mutilate: to make imperfect.
So any other dancing you want to do to keep from answering the critical questions asked of you?
How much longer do you attempt to obfuscate before answering them?
How many UNNECESSARY deaths from an UNNECESSARY practice do YOU find acceptable?
Can you rationally justify this unnecessary practice?
WHY Should parents be allowed to endanger an infant's life?
Provide a RATIONAL OPINION please.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane "To make imperfect" is the definition of the verb imperfect. Perfect is subjective therefore that would not be in any dictionary for the definition for mutilate.
EVERYTHING HAS THE RISK OF DEATH. Let's say I circumcise my child. He lives. Ok....now what? Your whole argument is that if you circumcise, your child will die. I better not put my child in the car either. Unnecessary practice that can lead to death. You were doing better with your bodily integrity argument.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
No, my argument has been and still remains, is can you rationally justify this practice, can you provide a rational reason why parents should be allowed to unnecessarily endanger the lives of their children, why should parents be allowed to cause forced unnecessary damage to their child's genitals...
And not one of these have you answered. Just danced around these critical questions.
Perfect genitals are defined with very normal male birth--and objective.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane AGAIN because parents have the right to make decisions for their children, whether it be to circumcise, to vaccinate, to medicate, etc. Parents have rights over their children even if you don't have to agree with their actions.
You can't use "the risk of death" argument because EVERYTHING HAS A RISK OF DEATH. Circumcision is not dangerous if it is done by a competent individual in a safe and clean environment...like every other surgery in the history of mankind.
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification * if you don't agree
tovahification 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
"AGAIN because parents have the right to make decisions"
Corrections- they are allowed to do this, but you are unable to provide a rational reason WHY they SHOULD. in the end not morally or ethically justifiable.
"Circumcision is not dangerous if it is done by a competent individual in a safe and clean environment."
Do I need to provide some of the hundreds of documented disasters to prove this fallacy wrong?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
Unnecessary sequela:
Partial or complete glans amputation--whole penis amputation, gangrene, necrotizing fasciatus, gastric rupture, total denudation of the penis, meatal ulcers, meatal stenosis, Glans necrosis, Penile urethral fistula, septicemia...
How many more of these "safe" outcomes would it take for it to register that this practice is indefensible?
How many unnecessary deaths are acceptable?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
Face it, you cannot morally or ethically justify this, and all of your sad excuses merely expose the fact that this practice is morally and ethically bankrupt.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
"You were doing better with your bodily integrity argument." ALL of my arguments against this have more merit than your pathetic excuses for it.
You have not provided any rational reason for it!
MY whole argument is that this is unnecessary, with unnecessary risks, causes unnecessary harm, and violates the child's human right of bodily integrity--and you have no argument.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@Tandykane THEY DONT REMEMBER IT WONT HAUNT THEM FOR LIFE MY HUSBAND HAD IT DONE HE DONT REMEMBER MY SON HAD IT DONE HE CERTANLY WONT REMEMBER A THING YOU GUYS NEED MORE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START JUDGING GET A LIFE!!!!!!!! IF THE DOCTOR KNOWS WHAT THERE DOING THEN IT WILL BE OK THINGS HAPPEN BADLY CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIANCE!!!!!!!!
08clanic1 3 weeks ago
@08clanic1
Not remembered? using this "logic", then anything goes--including infant rape and beatings?
"IF" is a powerful word--unfortunately in real life, sh**t happens.
And even if no tragedy occurs, they still lose up to 3/4 of their sensations and sensitivity...in 100% of the cases.
Screaming will not change reality.
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
STILL waiting for a rational, ethical justification for the forced genital mutilation of an infant's genitals.
Can we ever expect one from you?
Tandykane 3 weeks ago
@tovahification
"The Reason for circumcision is to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. Violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished."
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Moses Maimonides (Rabbi, Philosopher, Scholar, Physician) 1135-1204 AD
freedom0speech 4 weeks ago
@freedom0speech A quick search will show you that quotation is not correct...
tovahification 4 weeks ago
@tovahification
Point me in the right direction.
freedom0speech 4 weeks ago
i want my skin back, im hung horse but i want my skin back .
onlythewise1 4 weeks ago
I was circumcised at birth. I have no problem being cut.
No1Complainer 4 weeks ago
@No1Complainer
So, having lost up to 3/4 of your penile sensation and sensitivity is no problem? I would think that would be something TO complain about. But ignorance is bliss.
Tandykane 4 weeks ago