If you believe in god you have a 50% chance of going to hell or not existing at all. If you don't believe then you have a 50% chance of going to hell or not existing at all. I believe god is a delusion for peace after death
i was born a christian penticostal to be specific then i went to a catholic highschool and learned world religion which fucked me up and i turned atheist. After reading the REAL bible with all 88 books not 66 like most king james editions and reading the qua-ran and leaning more about my self as a black male i couldn't help but shed the athiest title and become a follower of GOD. This was my experience and how i came to believe, with some help from C.S Lewis.
@mrcooldude964 And as always, the facts are against your claim. But I know you aren't able to comprehend this so I'm just going to answer your question.
I would choose atheism because... well, who the heck would choose heaven? A place where you wouldn't be your current self, you'd have no more thinking to do because you're in a "perfect" place where you are "perfect" and it's boring as hell. Your God is stupid. I hope you understand one day what I mean by that. Fear is keeping you from truth.
Atheism offers me two very important things. 1) It allows me to be responsible to myself for my actions and responsible for the consequences. 2) Sundays off.
How do atheist know that what they have is the "truth"? How can you say that their is no God with 100% certainty? The truth is that you can't. If anything the laws of the universe, science, math, physics, etc. all point to a creator, even the big bang points to a creator. Believing that nothing exploded into something as vast as the universe (13 billion light years across) sounds a lot like faith if you ask me.
you have to hand it to her, after all she has been through,born handicapped,got run over by a car,that messed up her face that way,and still not believing in a god she has strong convection's..
you have to hand it to all she has been through,born handicapped,got run over by a car,that messed up her face that way,and still not believing in a god she has strong convection's..
ask a drug addict what "being clean" has to offer, that answer will be valid for atheism as well.. Now dear theist, realize you are just like him and start your path to enlightment...
Happiness isnt a direct consequence, but follows the other rewards of not believing in a giant naked invisible man who sits on a cloud and watches you everywhere you go.
Stop putting out cookies and milk and begin to realise how the real world works, will be the truth, but will be relieving, happiness, less stressful, and more productive, to give you more free time on sundays.
you are the biggest loser i have ever seen, the only reason your videos are watched is because you are so fucking ugly, your voice is annoying as shit. you are the biggest loser i have ever fucking meet
It doesn't surprise me this woman is an atheist. She's the coldest woman I've ever seen. Obviously has poor emotional and empathy skills, it doesn't surprise me she doesn't think she has a soul.
@1h23h237whejh23h i take it your a girl cause no man could say this,, Im not against this girl cause she's atheist,, i used to be christian then atheist, now i dont give a fuck,, its just atheist are supposed to be laid back and not give a shit about religion,, this bitch is a bitch
truth my ass. oh, if only you atheist knew the real world. knew what was really going on in the world. and knew that the 'elites' worship Lucifer and have been trying their utmost to convince you that God doesn't exist. if only you had a clue that beyond your mildly offensive irrationality is a hendenburg size acidic pandemic that irradicates humanity and tolerance.
@digger23d You made a claim regarding intolerance, I disagreed then you bring Reginald Denny into it. That's a strawman but there is a related point. When 1 group of people are treated badly enough by 1 or more other groups for long enough, eventually they will react badly. Regardless of the right or wrong or justification or lack of it concerning the reaction, it is sensible to realize that is what usually happens.
@digger23d Nonsense. Atheists can't be properly judged for intolerance of theists because it is a natural defense reaction to the previous intolerance against them. It is not the same at all.
atheism offers no hope!,it teaches do what you want,live for yourselfs,and thats why the world is in such a evil mess,the love of many has grown cold! the fool in there heart says theres no God!,what makes me laugh is so many athesists are always watching christian videos,science and logic are proof of God,for intelligent life cannot come from nothing! :)
i think what atheism has to offer is the realisation of the fact that u dont need to depend on external factors to be successful..... its within u.... so be free of all the talisman and other such things....
I never made a choice, just like I never choses to be gay, I just am. Although I do like to study religions of the world, I also I like to read science fiction, but unlike religion, sometimes science fiction becomes science fact.
Your video is an important point that many of us seem to overlook, though I think atheism does have a lot to offer, though much of its benefit is subjective or personal. Spiritual independence is one of the more universal benefits, but there are others. It offers intellectual freedom from [intentional and unintentional] oppression driven by peer pressure and familial expectations. Another benefit is that, unlike theism, it rarely operates as a coping mechanism. It offers reality.
atheists are generally happier not because atheism is about hapyness, but because so often religion is about fear, guilt and subordinance to the ones who hold the reins.
I very much agree with this video. Atheism isn't about happiness, it is about truth.
Atheism has actually made me less happy, but I didn't 'choose' atheism 'over' theism; I looked at what was real, and had facts and said "okay, THAT doesn't make sense."
If I could choose what was real, hot damn, I would be all for the magical faerie realms being the everyday, and immortality, and no sickness - but I don't get to choose reality; and looking at reality, most forms of theism just don't compute.
@DanPrinMan Religion didn't make me happy, satisfied, or feel like I have a purpose. What did was getting a job, a girlfriend, just living out life. I already have an innate sense of purpose, I'm satisfied when my goals are completed, I'm happy when I'm with family and friends or just relaxing. I tried joining a prayer group in high school, going to my friends' church, religion just seems stupid and it offers nothing I can't get on my own.
I'm sorry about your bad experience. I know that I can't make any conclusion about your experience being true or not - it was your experience, not mine.
I don't believe religion, as we've come to know it, has anything to offer us if it has been based solely on man. To you, religion might merely be - manmade, but if God does exist and has made us, then the experiences of myself and others are undeniable. It's my hope that, despite your lack of belief, you might experience the same.
I think this is one of the most civil conversations (what I've seen of it - perhaps on page 2 its full of acrimony and hate, but I doubt that :P ) on religion I've ever seen on Youtube. Thanks for reminding me that sometimes genuinely nice people use the Internet too. Have a great day :)
@infideluxe .. :/, well I'm more sure of myself then you are :P And also, I do know this... It was created somehow, the only question is by who... which my belief is in the G-d of the Tanahk... (Bible)
Faith, by definition, is holding something to be true with no evidence. That's why it's not called knowledge.
And no, you don't know that it was created somehow. "Created" implies a creator, and there's simply no evidence. I know what else religious faith sells, so there's more in the bargain for you, ain't there?
A timeless universe is much more believable than a timeless creator. After all, we have the universe to observe, don't we?
To; jamiewindsor: Actually, they are reluctant to renounce it, because, despite the "scientific proof" that evolution is fact, they still have an instinct of their being, that there is a god.
To; Shadusha: I actually agree with you, I hate the Quran, and the belief that it's followers possess, namely because: It teaches to hate everyone else :) if this is false, then please clarify. I have seen the fruit of it (suicide bombers, the hollocaust, etc. ETC.)
What science are you talking about? The stuff that you have been brainwashed with in first grade? I'm sorry, there's as much science in evolution, as there is in the earth being flat :). And actually, it's been tested in many different studies, that the earth can't be more than one hundred thousand years old, with life still existing on it... and I don't know if one hundred thousand years is enough for us to go from soup, to where we are now... :/
@Vedati88 Are you making these typos on purpose? or are you just stupid for real? Cus you just made a TON in only 3 sentences. the only one whos weak here is YOU.
I think the point of the question was to help dispel the myth that the lack of belief in a deity and heaven etc. is depressing or means that life has no meaning. I think that people of faith often are reluctant to accept reasoned and logical arguments for fear that losing their faith will be something that will make them unhappy.
@shadushah Also do you know what the fastest growing segment of people are in first world nations? Non-religious. So, you do have people converting who are desperate, starving, and have nothing to live for, the atheist/agnostic/anti-theist (people who hate the idea of gods)/non-religious/secular humanist are chosen by people who actually have time to think, with full enough bellies, warm enough skin, and access to all the information on the internet.
@shadushah 1. I hate that which harms. 2. I absuse no one. 3. Sharia law is filled with medieval thinking and barbaric over punishments for minor infractions. 4. Finkelstein was being untruthful and was therefore lying, granted he might have been as ignorant, closed minded, and gullible as yourself, but he was still factually inaccurate.
@shadushah Also, your math is off. between the year 2000 and 2011 there have been literally hundreds of attacks by Muslims on either governments, civilians of multiple ethic and religious backgrounds, or other Islamic sects. If you just take the current common year, you have multiple revolutions against Sharia law throughout the Middle East, and they have mostly turned violent due to police brutality.
@shadushah Yes, I am saying that idiot is lying, and no there are numerous problems in the world. Religious people in general are one of them. The fact that two of the largest nations in the world (US and China) are still primarily using fossil fuels is another. The Genocide in Darfur, which is perpetrated by whom... oh that's right Muslims (granted it's against other Muslims and it's primarily based off of race and politics), but they still use the Quaran as justification.
I guess that guy's last comment was deleted, so let me sum it up. He was accusing me of being brainwashed into believing that all Muslims are evil, when Islam is a religion of peace. I pointed out to him that 1. Islam is not a religion of peace, and 2. I don't believe that Muslims are evil, only that Shaira law is grotesque and the Islamic religion is silly.
@shadushah I would point out recent terrorist attacks, and the savage beating my sister took, and the fact that I have some Muslim friends, except they are not as closed minded as you. I would also add, that I know that a minority of Islamic people are terrorists, but very few publicly denounce as even extreme any acts of Islamic terrorists, the way that Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and the non-religious have for people who belong to their belief umbrella.
@shadushah The problem is youthful gullibility leading to close-mindedness. You were told these ridiculous stories when you were young, and you never questioned them, so now you close yourself off to the fact that they have little to no basis in reality. I actually would feel sorry for you, if your mentality were not so pervasive throughout and dangerous to the world.
@shadushah (CON'T) who gave me one of his kidneys so that I could lead the life I chose. 10 (I think). I'm pursuing my dream career, one in which I get to do something I love, while being surrounded by interesting attractive people.
@shadushah 4. Every day I can make the world slightly better knowing that this is probably the only world we have. 5. I have a beautiful nephew. 6. I'm on happy pills because I had back surgery about a week ago. 7. There are people who agree that skepticism should be applied to everything. 8. I was raised to know, I'm human, and therefore have both good and bad qualities, unlike you who seem to believe that humans are scum until they accept Allah. 9. I have a wonderful father, (CON'T)
@shadushah You don't sound happy. You sound incredibly miserable just wishing that there was a place that was beautiful where you get 72 virgins (which, as a man who has slept with both virgins and women of some experience, virgins are highly over rated), I'm happy for a few reasons. 1. I'm genetically predisposed to be happy. 2. I'm living in an era when someone born with my birth defects can live a relatively normal life. 3. I have an amazing girlfriend....
@shadushah Also a book inspired by an omniciant being should not have any verses that do not both sound beautiful in every language, and are 100 % true. All 8 versions of the Quaran I've read in English (and the 2 in Spanish), sounded like poorly written Jr. High poetry, and contained a lot of inaccuracies and some complete lies.
@shadushah wait a minute, you can't get regular sexual release, you have to hover over a woman whom you do not view as an equal, and you can't get high. No wonder you want heaven to exist, it has to be better than the living hell you've made for yourself.
@shadushah The best laws are ones that protect the rights of individuals. Saying you cannot start jerkin' your gerkin or double click on your mouse does NOT protect anyone's rights. Saying that your wife is physically weaker than yourself, and therefore needs to be protected does an injustice to both women (who can be incredibly strong) and men (who can be incredibly weak). Saying that you must remain completely sober at all times...
@shadushah If you can't find at least two verses that have been 100 percent debunked, then either we're reading two completely different books, or you've never read a geology, anthropology, biology, or secular history text of any sort. Or you're as nutty as a prophet.
@shadushah Ignorance is objective. It simply means you do not know something. We are all ignorant as to the existence of the supernatural (gods, angels, spirits, heaven, hell, etc)because there is no evidence for or against it. I say that it is more likely that it does not exist, because the is always no evidence that something does not exist, and for something that does definitely exist there is always evidence. You are willfully ignorant, meaning you chose not to learn.
@shadushah By ass I meant the area between your buttocks. It is an expression meaning that you are willfully ignorant and espouse these inane ramblings that can be debunked with thirty seconds of research.
@shadushah Also, I take Obama at his word that he is a Christian who was raised as a Secular Humanist (one of the 5 things I don't like about him [the other 4 are that he constantly kowtows to the right, he smokes, he basically disregards half of his ethnicity by calling himself black {His mother is white, and so were the grandparents who raised him}, and he never really sticks up for himself]), he is as Jewish as I am Hindu, he has Jewish friends, and respects some Jews, but he isn't Jewish.
@shadushah You don't see how truly disgusting it is to beat the shit out of a 13 year old for not dressing correctly? I already told you I am a Freemason who was raised Jewish and came about my atheism by searching for god and finding none there. Also Moses loved worldly desires that's why he told his troops to save all the virgin women and repeatedly rape them. You are an ignoramus, and I hope you take your head our of your ass.
@shadushah Read a freaking history book, or look at any modern country ruled by Shria Law. There are plenty of "Morality Police," in fact, and I know this is anecdotal, but my family traveled through the middle East when I was young and my sister (wondering off with myself), got the shit beaten out of her by cops for wearing a t-shirt and short while being female. I'm sorry stuff like that does happen, and I cannot respect anyone who apologizes for those actions by saying it's their culture
@shadushah I belong to the Freemasons. It's a freaking social club. They play pool and talk about boring stuff. I am also Jewish (by heritage), and while the mythology is disgusting and violent (trust me, as bad as Muhammad was he was much less of a monster than Moses), Jews don't follow the teachings of said mythologies. There is very little difference in the practices between Muslims and Jews except for the number of times you're supposed to pray, and the importance of spreading the word.
@shadushah Also the Illuminati were only in existence for a few decades in the mid-18th century CE, so how can they control anything now. and Obama is a good person... a giant pussy, and a rather ineffectual leader, but a good person. You just sound crazy when you link him to Satan, or mention a now fully defunct 18th century social club.
@shadushah No, I'm saying the founder of Islam was not a peaceful person, so how can it be a religion of peace when it's originator was filled with hatred and blood-lust.
Also, Hinduism predates Islam by about 5000 years, so if anyone was the original aggressors it was the invaders from the middle East. And by all known accounts the ascension of Confucianism and Taoism as the predominant philosophies of pre-Buddhist China were very un-warlike.
@shadushah Wow, that's stretching it. I don't see how you can eat anything when most fish contains mercury, which is poisonous. Most mammal meat and unpasteurized milk contains Escherichia coli, which is highly toxic. Fowl and their eggs contain salmonella, which is also deadly. Many vegetables contain a multitude of microbes, which can cause death.
Studies have shown that people who have regular sexual release are far less likely to be violent, so if Islam wants to promote peace, they'd...
@shadushah You keep saying that Islam is a religion of peace, but I don't see any evidence for that in the Islamic world, nor in the doctrine of jihad, which I know you are going to say is primarily defensive, but that is still not peaceful, nor are most of the actions of Muhamad (remember after he was a camel merchant, he was a bandit and a general who followed every unsuccessful battle with a quick destruction of a Jewish village, to help out moral... plus the Jews did think he was a nutter).
@shadushah You can catch HIV/AIDS from any kind of sex, not just sex for pleasure, and it's preventable if you use a condom and/or are in a completely monogamy sexual relationship with someone who doesn't have it. Swine Flu is transmitted through casual contact, so what you're not allowed to breath near other people in Islam. Your last segment sounds more like the raving of a paranoid schizophrenic than a man of god... granted the two aren't mutually exclusive.
@shadushah deserving of being spoken ill of. My parents were fantastic (my dad still is, my mother died of cancer), but my father is still a fat ass, and my mother still had a terrible singing voice. Granted those flaws pale in comparison to the good they have done (professionally, raising myself and my sister, and personally), and to the flaws of other parents who rape, beat, force into an ignorant state, and in other ways abuse their children. Even the best parents are not above criticism.
@shadushah Okay so we have a test for which we have no prior knowledge, cannot really be studied for, and it's only real requirement seems to be subjugation and honoring something that more likely than not does not exist. Allah sounds more like a dictator than a teacher.
Also the question I posed was personal, I gave you a personal answer. All the things you've mentioned are good in my oppinion Fornication is fun. There probably is no god, and parents aren't perfect, so sometimes they are...
@shadushah I chose not to look at your links because I recognized them as ones I've tried to watch but couldn't due to those people having a complete lack of understanding of reality. Show me actual evidence for Allah, a footprint, a fosslie, an energy pattern, something that can be observed and measured.
@shadushah My will has absolutely nothing to do with what I accept as true. I accept something as true due to evidence not will, not a book, not the idea that this is all a test (Which makes Allah out to be a giant asshole btw), EVIDENCE, when there is enough evidence to prove something to be true I accept it as true. You need faith, I need knowledge. Also that quote has nothing to do with anything, so pigs and monkeys existed before humans (CON'T)
@shadushah In a world in which Islam were absolutely true, there would be no non-Muslims (there would probably however be lapsed Muslims, and people who just want to rebel). There would be just one sect of Islam (not 7 or 8), and people would not need faith to believe in it. In a world in which Islam were absolutely false, there would be many non-Muslims (all people if it were never proposed), there would probably be multiple sects (or none if it were never proposed), and you would need faith.
@shadushah (CON'T) (Which contradicts your, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, completely moronic, monkeys coming from humans hypothesis), nor, it seems any book that isn't some form of Islamic apologetics or the Quaran.
I would like to pose a mental game, let's say there are three worlds, one is our own, one is one in which Islam is absolutely true, and the third is one in which Islam were absolutely false.
@shadushah Neither occurred, and you have less understanding of evolution than you claim that I do of Islam. Humans and monkeys came from a common ancestor. Evolution is more of a tree than a ladder. You are in fact less evolved than a chimpanzee since chimps evolved further after they split from humans than humans did.
You may know Arabic, but you apparently do not know genetic (which proves that all living things are related by some degree), nor the fossil records (CON't)
@shadushah But someone living over 1000 years prior to myself had less, simply because, 1. he was exposed to less, and 2. there was less knowledge to be obtained (how computers or the internal combustion engine work for example). Things need evidence before they can be considered to be true, and apologetics, and anecdotes do not count as evidence, and therefore Allah and the teachings of the Quaran are not true. I'm not saying they are false, but they probably are.
@shadushah First, I can prove that that one verse (by mixing salt and fresh water), and the creation myth located within (by showing evidence for Evolution [transitional forms, complex genetics, etc,] and big bang cosmology [the expansion of the universe, background radiation, etc.) to be 100% false.
Second, I never claimed to have all the answers, just more than a 6th or 7th century camel merchant (not an insult, that was Mohammad's vocation). I probably know about 1% of all possible knowledge
@shadushah So you're saying that the Quaran was written by 6th or 7th century CE humans. Wow, sounds like it's full of revealed truth, scientific accuracy, and universal morality.
@shadushah No the specific statement I made in my second response to you had nothing to do with miracles and should have been known to be false to the people of the time. If you would like me to repeat it, "Salt water and fresh water cannot mix." Try mixing salt and fresh water and you'll see that the salt water doesn't pass right through, it becomes more and more diluted.
@Jonstern1983 It's basically the same is stating that the Bible cannot be completely true because it says insects have four legs, and rabbits chew their cud.
@shadushah And, there is still the petty narcissistic nature of Allah, which hardly seems fitting of the creator and high ruler (provided the character is just and wise), for said character's major form of entertainment to be calling all his angels to say basically, "Look how awesome this thing I've created is, aren't these things called people fantastic? Doesn't that make me the best thing ever?"
@shadushah How can something be true when there are things in it that are demonstrably false? Also, why would obedience be a virtue is we were specifically made (in your opinion) to be able to think for ourselves?
@shadushah (CON'T) yet your religion does have a concept of the character, heaven, and hell. You don't see the disconnect there? If your religion had no deity, and laid out rules without punishment or reward, then that sentence would make perfect sense.
Finally, from what you've said, I'm sorry to say, Allah sounds like a petty braggart... honestly, if I were he I would make a world with super-powers, easily found love, and immortality for all, but then again, I'm really into comics.
@shadushah Second, if there is an Omniscience there can be no free-will since everything is known, including the future (even if it is by this one being), therefore everything must be predetermined. Granted I accept the fact that our genetics and environment determines everything about our lives, but that's a completely different topic.
Third, your final sentence makes absolutely no sense, you say "...who obey me with freewill without watching hell, heaven, or me," (CON'T)
@shadushah First, What about people who have never read the Quaran (SP?) What about the simple fact that there are things in said book that are demonstrably false (salt water and fresh water cannot mix for example) or are morally abhorrent to non-Muslims such as myself (total subjection of woman for example [and yes, I know that, that is written about in other religious text, considering the only religion I can in any was subscribe to is secular humanism, it would make no difference)
@shadushah Why would there need to be a test? I'm assuming your view of Allah includes omniscience as one of the traits this being has, so it would stand to reason that it would know beforehand whether or not someone will fail. So, it seems to me to be a pointless test. The only possible explanation I can think of is that this universe is Allah's entertainment, which seems to be beneath a supreme being.
Shit I accidentally flagged this as inappropriate! The comment and flag buttons are right beside each other on the iPod. Anyway. Good video. I noticed your username and I was just wondering if you had anything to do with the atheist youtuber rkzenrage?
Hey I really liked your take. Well thought out, calmly and reasonably delivered. A1.
I always answer that question with a resounding nothing. Atheism describes who we are not, not who we are. So OF COURSE it has nothing to offer. Religious people think atheism is a thing to follow complete with dogma and guidelines. SO WRONG! I mean, what does not believing in bigfoot have to offer? We wouldn't expect the non belief of bigfoot would have anything to offer would we?
@TheKenny4292 I don't know, but it shows up for me as "This has been flagged as spam." When that happens I don't receive an e-mail notifying me of a response - I happen upon it in my own time. The message to which I'm responded was flagged as spam, so same thing.
Why would I hate Christ? There's a good chance he didn't even exist, but even if it did, he was just a man. I truncated the word "Christianity" to afford myself a few more characters.
"you are absolutely right that Christianity doesn't make any sense at all."
If you're willing to admit this yet still believe that Xtianity deserves a special pass in the reason department, fine–adhere.
But do atheists a favor: keep it to yourself. Write a letter to every Xtian group insinuating itself into American politics, and ask them to stop. Refrain from saying, "God loves you" – a meaningless catchphrase with which you congratulate only yourself. Have a cookie instead.
"But God is so awesome and powerful. He is so good. God loves me more than I could ever undestand. And he loves you too..."
Statements like these expose your indoctrination. They are mantras you incant to pacify yourself. They assume the existence of an invisible friend—whom you cannot define or prove—as if the work of providing evidence had already been accomplished on your behalf. It has not.
Again, have some personal integrity and think before you chant woo-woo at others.
"The Bible explains all of the issues you mentioned."
The Bible's "explanations" are insufficient to meet the standards of reason.
"How could a perfect God love someone as sinful as I so much that he paid for my sins?"
"An almighty God should just punish imperfection (or destroy it in the first place)."
No, a perfect, all-knowing god simply would not have created imperfection in the first place. If he created it just so he could punish it, he is malevolent and sick.
Not many atheists are actually 100% sure there is no God. So, whilst truth is important, it does actually come down to an emotional judgement: a preference for enjoying life now, a desire for mental freedom, dislike for a God who demands obedience based on flimsy evidence, etc. So, I think many atheists do actually choose their beliefs based on "what's going to benefit our lives". Attention is directed by emotion. "Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions" as David Hume said.
@TheKenny4292 The goat comment was joke, meaning prayer is just as ineffective as sacrificing a goat. The ineffectiveness of prayer is has actually been concluded in studies, and by religious people, too.
It's irrational that someone 2000 years ago could make amends for your misdeeds today. It's a horrible basis for morality (think about it), and is just another way the Bible suckers you into the woo of feeling superior, and, worse, magically absolved of wrong-doing. We know better, don't we?
@TheKenny4292 Exactly. Do you know why? Because they're able to perceive the Bible as any other religious scripture - objectively. Unclouded by delusions of the supernatural and consolation-based wishful thinking, they are able to compare the Bible to the Koran, the New Testament to the Old, and any of these to other mythologies. Most atheist biblical scholars I've heard are extremely well versed in comparative religion.
"You can't speak with my Pastor and tell me that atheists are the only people who've actually studied the Bible."
Putting words in others' mouths seems to be a major pitfall of yours, doesn't it? Did I say that atheists are the *only * people who've studied the Bible, or did I say "Those most familiar with the Bible are actually atheists."?
"You can't speak with my Pastor and tell me that atheists are the only people who've actually studied the Bible."
Putting words in others' mouths seems to be a major pitfall of yours, doesn't it? Did I say that atheists are the *only * people who've studied the Bible, or did I say "Those most familiar with the Bible are actually atheists."?
@TheKenny4292 "How can you just say things like that as if you actually know?"
I do really know, because I've spoken with many atheists who are also Bible scholars. Simple as that.
"how many countless men and women have given their lives to the belief and study of this amazing book."
This is a plea that it can not all have been for nought. But the amount of time dedicated to studying a book—the book's popularity—is not proportional to any truth contained therein. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@TheKenny4292 If the bible is the literal inerrant word then your changing the meaning of those words is blasphemous. 1. He created the light. If he is the light did he create himself after he already existed? 2. He saw the light. Was he looking at himself? 3. He called the light Day. Did he change his name? 4. He separated day from night. If god is day and he's separate from the night is there no god at night time? If you read genesis it's not as you say.
"you did insinuate that "fabricate" is too big of a word for me"
Because you said I was using big words, and that was the biggest one there.
"you should read the Bible with an open mind for yourself."
Most atheists were once theists precisely because they have read the Bible. Those most familiar with the Bible are actually atheists. I have not read the Bible from cover to cover. I may someday, but you can bet it won't convert me. The passages I have read only confirm my atheism
@TheKenny4292 "you've called me a fool for not believing what you say."
Wrong. Your book calls anybody a fool for not believing what it says. Please point out where I called you a fool, or explain why you're trying to put words in my mouth.
"But I'd say that you are the one who has been hoodwinked."
How so? And why should I trust your any further in this discourse if you're going to be as dishonest as you were above?
Psalm 14 says, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"
What do you think about scripture that labels anyone a "fool" for doubting its supernatural claims? That same scripture will, of course, present all manner of characters (Paul) vouching for the existence of its main character.
I have no valid reason to believe yours or anyone else's proselytization pertaining to supernatural claims. It seems you've been hoodwinked, most likely since early childhood.
Girl, I don't know how old you are, but you have the wisdom of a sage. You are so right about all of what you have said except for one thing: Theists, especially Abram's Trio. Big G demands its followers to get others into the circle even at the cost of killing those who do not succumb. That is the real problem. Any thoughts about that?
@TheKenny4292 Best of luck to you then. Btw I've read the bible. In genesis god creates day and night (day 1) then four days later creates the sun and the moon. How can you have a light without a light source much less a day without a sun to revolve around the earth? I'd never insult you by calling you stupid, that would be rude. What would be the merit in it?
@TheKenny4292 " I was just confused about the parentheses."
My comment in parentheses was a carry-over from another video, where you wrote to me "you don't have to use big words in an assanine way."
Please understand that I value being as articulate as I can. I don't think the words I use are really above the level of any high-school freshman. Some words convey better than others.
Your second sentence sounds logically incoherent. Try stating it succinctly for me, please.
@TheKenny4292 I'm just relating basic high school science if that's so over your head you have to call it rambling then that's on you. I'm trying to answer your question as directly as possible, but if you make it so open that it's unanswerable that's also on you. Be specific and be courteous if that's also beyond you then bow out.
@TheKenny4292"Why are you trying to insult me?" I apologize for the parentheses. If the rest of my response feels like an insult, however, your belief system is way too fragile.
@TheKenny4292 Another point, just because you don't know what caused something doesn't mean you ascribe it to "x". Unless you prove "x" caused it you could just as easily cite Vishnu or Amida as much as Jehovah. You haven't proven anything, you've just opened a Pandora's box.
@TheKenny4292 If you're talking about the big bang then the current science is that the earliest we can go back there was a singularity (which is a something). Before that we do not know which is an honest answer. To say it was nothing is a lie because you don't have any special knowledge that I don't. You can only say you don't know. Unless you specify what nothing you are referring to I can't answer your question.
@TheKenny4292 And you would like to say that since something cannot come from nothing, then (your particular) god had to have created everything, right? And you would say that this god has "always existed," right?
Saying that the universe has existed makes much more sense, though, and we get to remove supernatural woo from the equation.
Either way, we can still say, "I don't know" and keep searching for answers rather than fabricating (that word too big for you?) them.
@TheKenny4292 Can you be more specific or rephrase the question? Depending on the circumstance nothing by itself is something. An absence of something is something that's why we have to come up with a name to describe it. If you're referring to the Big Bang which came from a Singularity (a something not a nothing) then your question is irrelevant.
So why don't you keep your atheism to yourself? It's a fair question, since in this video you pretty much requested believers to "keep their religion to themselves." And I would remind you that, at one time in human history, you might have heard the question "What does knowing that the Sun goes around the Earth have to offer? It just is." Obviously there was something of importance that motivated us to change the paradigm, and you appear to have missed that point entirely.
I think she means for people not to impose their religious beliefs on others, like certain peope who campaign for creationism to be taught in schools. She's not imposing her atheism on others, she's just talking about it.
I "believe" it's better to not know what to "believe" and best to not even care. Only positive form of control that came from the bible is the whole "Do unto others... spiel" but life rarely affords such. Especially when it comes to the heart.
Buddhism states that "Illusion Causes Suffering." Liberation from lying to yourself is "something to offer." Not hitting your head up against a brick wall when Critical Thinking conflicts with whatever Theism you practice is "something to offer." Not ignoring real threats to the species (ala Global Warming) is "something to offer." Accepting reality and recognizing falsity is "something to offer."
you're a an idiot. there are a lot of educated middle class idiots like you. i hope you find out one day how wrong you are.
FreeBornJohn1600s 20 hours ago
If you believe in god you have a 50% chance of going to hell or not existing at all. If you don't believe then you have a 50% chance of going to hell or not existing at all. I believe god is a delusion for peace after death
Charlieroxs13 1 month ago
i was born a christian penticostal to be specific then i went to a catholic highschool and learned world religion which fucked me up and i turned atheist. After reading the REAL bible with all 88 books not 66 like most king james editions and reading the qua-ran and leaning more about my self as a black male i couldn't help but shed the athiest title and become a follower of GOD. This was my experience and how i came to believe, with some help from C.S Lewis.
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curemymind 1 month ago
what does atheism have to offer? deception and eternal damnation
what does jesus have to offer? eternal life in paradise
(freewill) you chose where youll be for eternity not god, thats why he gave us free will.
jesus is the way to heaven. will you chose heaven or atheism?
mrcooldude964 2 months ago
@mrcooldude964 And as always, the facts are against your claim. But I know you aren't able to comprehend this so I'm just going to answer your question.
I would choose atheism because... well, who the heck would choose heaven? A place where you wouldn't be your current self, you'd have no more thinking to do because you're in a "perfect" place where you are "perfect" and it's boring as hell. Your God is stupid. I hope you understand one day what I mean by that. Fear is keeping you from truth.
sheikhylian 2 months ago
Atheism offers me two very important things. 1) It allows me to be responsible to myself for my actions and responsible for the consequences. 2) Sundays off.
tcsam9202 2 months ago
Does atheism offer coffee? Or is coffee too theistic?
AtheismKills 3 months ago
How do atheist know that what they have is the "truth"? How can you say that their is no God with 100% certainty? The truth is that you can't. If anything the laws of the universe, science, math, physics, etc. all point to a creator, even the big bang points to a creator. Believing that nothing exploded into something as vast as the universe (13 billion light years across) sounds a lot like faith if you ask me.
moali68 4 months ago
@moali68
"How do atheist know that what they have is the "truth"?"
They don't claim to have "the truth." They just don't believe in god(s).
"How can you say that their is no God with 100% certainty?"
We don't. We just don't believe there is.
"If anything the laws of the universe, science, math, physics, etc. all point to a creator"
This is a baseless assertion for which you have no evidence.
You have trouble understanding that atheists don't pretend to have answers. Religion does.
infideluxe 4 months ago
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you have to hand it to her, after all she has been through,born handicapped,got run over by a car,that messed up her face that way,and still not believing in a god she has strong convection's..
waspsoul95 5 months ago
you have to hand it to all she has been through,born handicapped,got run over by a car,that messed up her face that way,and still not believing in a god she has strong convection's..
waspsoul95 5 months ago
ask a drug addict what "being clean" has to offer, that answer will be valid for atheism as well.. Now dear theist, realize you are just like him and start your path to enlightment...
fardrum 5 months ago
Happiness isnt a direct consequence, but follows the other rewards of not believing in a giant naked invisible man who sits on a cloud and watches you everywhere you go.
R3M3MB3RxM3 5 months ago
Stop putting out cookies and milk and begin to realise how the real world works, will be the truth, but will be relieving, happiness, less stressful, and more productive, to give you more free time on sundays.
R3M3MB3RxM3 5 months ago
You might enjoy, The Mythicist Position - video
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Read the links in the info box too
Hercules2345 6 months ago
bravo zulu,
my happiness is sadly irrelevant. the truth is there is no god. never was, never will be. I am pretty happy anyway, I have just accepted the truth.
ezwages 6 months ago
bravo zulu
ezwages 6 months ago
you are the biggest loser i have ever seen, the only reason your videos are watched is because you are so fucking ugly, your voice is annoying as shit. you are the biggest loser i have ever fucking meet
TheSpiesAtHome 7 months ago
It doesn't surprise me this woman is an atheist. She's the coldest woman I've ever seen. Obviously has poor emotional and empathy skills, it doesn't surprise me she doesn't think she has a soul.
Liam2621 7 months ago
it offers nothing. I just have to deal with the fact I'm alone and insignificant. Honestly i was happier as a religious person. fucked u huh?
i m an atheist.
Szekler11 7 months ago
I think that you should marry me lol
1h23h237whejh23h 7 months ago
@1h23h237whejh23h i take it your a girl cause no man could say this,, Im not against this girl cause she's atheist,, i used to be christian then atheist, now i dont give a fuck,, its just atheist are supposed to be laid back and not give a shit about religion,, this bitch is a bitch
XxSwAiN69xX 7 months ago
truth my ass. oh, if only you atheist knew the real world. knew what was really going on in the world. and knew that the 'elites' worship Lucifer and have been trying their utmost to convince you that God doesn't exist. if only you had a clue that beyond your mildly offensive irrationality is a hendenburg size acidic pandemic that irradicates humanity and tolerance.
bslinkymi112 7 months ago
@digger23d (cont) I did not say or imply anyone is justified.
It is ridiculous to be equally or more disturbed by reactions to undeserved intolerance than by the initial intolerance.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@digger23d You made a claim regarding intolerance, I disagreed then you bring Reginald Denny into it. That's a strawman but there is a related point. When 1 group of people are treated badly enough by 1 or more other groups for long enough, eventually they will react badly. Regardless of the right or wrong or justification or lack of it concerning the reaction, it is sensible to realize that is what usually happens.
I did not (cont)
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
What are you trying to say about Santa Claus?...I mean, surely you're just...
What do you mean?...
I feel funny...
TheDisturbism 7 months ago
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@TheDisturbism Santa Claus isn't real?????????
wijayapala 7 months ago
@digger23d Nonsense. Atheists can't be properly judged for intolerance of theists because it is a natural defense reaction to the previous intolerance against them. It is not the same at all.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
Belief is stronger and a reality than what many may believe in. It's old story already
pendragonU 8 months ago
atheism offers no hope!,it teaches do what you want,live for yourselfs,and thats why the world is in such a evil mess,the love of many has grown cold! the fool in there heart says theres no God!,what makes me laugh is so many athesists are always watching christian videos,science and logic are proof of God,for intelligent life cannot come from nothing! :)
andymcq2509 8 months ago
@andymcq2509 Gods cannot come from nothing.
Strangerinasland 7 months ago
@andymcq2509
"atheism offers no hope"
Correct. Nor does it propose to.
"it teaches do what you want..."
Incorrect. It's lacking beliefs in god(s). That's it.
"the fool in there heart says..."
Only a fool would subscribe to book that labels one a fool for not believing it.
"so many athesists are always watching christian videos"
It's good to know how others think when it affects the rest of us.
infideluxe 4 months ago
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atheism is truth? And you know this how?
barkingwater2000 8 months ago
Statistically, more attheists commit suicide every year.
Pilgrim1411 8 months ago
everyone likes being right
Justen1980 9 months ago
best take on this argument I have seen yet...thanks yet again for being the real voice of rationality...its a relief to see :)
DincusMincus 10 months ago
i think what atheism has to offer is the realisation of the fact that u dont need to depend on external factors to be successful..... its within u.... so be free of all the talisman and other such things....
TheRtjhe 10 months ago
I never made a choice, just like I never choses to be gay, I just am. Although I do like to study religions of the world, I also I like to read science fiction, but unlike religion, sometimes science fiction becomes science fact.
rcleapor 10 months ago
Your video is an important point that many of us seem to overlook, though I think atheism does have a lot to offer, though much of its benefit is subjective or personal. Spiritual independence is one of the more universal benefits, but there are others. It offers intellectual freedom from [intentional and unintentional] oppression driven by peer pressure and familial expectations. Another benefit is that, unlike theism, it rarely operates as a coping mechanism. It offers reality.
ixamraxi 10 months ago
atheists are generally happier not because atheism is about hapyness, but because so often religion is about fear, guilt and subordinance to the ones who hold the reins.
dandil 10 months ago
I very much agree with this video. Atheism isn't about happiness, it is about truth.
Atheism has actually made me less happy, but I didn't 'choose' atheism 'over' theism; I looked at what was real, and had facts and said "okay, THAT doesn't make sense."
If I could choose what was real, hot damn, I would be all for the magical faerie realms being the everyday, and immortality, and no sickness - but I don't get to choose reality; and looking at reality, most forms of theism just don't compute.
PurpleGhost 10 months ago
So basically the answer is: nothing! Zero happiness. Zero satisfaction. Zero purpose.
Nice, when can I sign up?
NOT!
DanPrinMan 11 months ago
@DanPrinMan Reality sucks, huh?
infideluxe 11 months ago
@infideluxe
Haha, as long as we call it reality.
DanPrinMan 11 months ago
@DanPrinMan
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. ~Philip K. Dick
infideluxe 11 months ago 6
@DanPrinMan Religion didn't make me happy, satisfied, or feel like I have a purpose. What did was getting a job, a girlfriend, just living out life. I already have an innate sense of purpose, I'm satisfied when my goals are completed, I'm happy when I'm with family and friends or just relaxing. I tried joining a prayer group in high school, going to my friends' church, religion just seems stupid and it offers nothing I can't get on my own.
Subtalvik2 11 months ago
@Subtalvik2
I'm sorry about your bad experience. I know that I can't make any conclusion about your experience being true or not - it was your experience, not mine.
I don't believe religion, as we've come to know it, has anything to offer us if it has been based solely on man. To you, religion might merely be - manmade, but if God does exist and has made us, then the experiences of myself and others are undeniable. It's my hope that, despite your lack of belief, you might experience the same.
DanPrinMan 11 months ago
@DanPrinMan
I think this is one of the most civil conversations (what I've seen of it - perhaps on page 2 its full of acrimony and hate, but I doubt that :P ) on religion I've ever seen on Youtube. Thanks for reminding me that sometimes genuinely nice people use the Internet too. Have a great day :)
paulbottomley42 10 months ago
I want to know more about the chocolate chip cookie god! That sounds awesome.
serotta09 1 year ago
Please answer me these four question. Where did Space come from? Where did Matter come from? Where did Time come from? And which came first?
xeilyy 1 year ago
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@xeilyy "Where did .... come from?"
They were all sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure. Now we all live in fear for the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief.
mandolinic 1 year ago
@xeilyy
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And neither do you!
infideluxe 11 months ago
@infideluxe .. :/, well I'm more sure of myself then you are :P And also, I do know this... It was created somehow, the only question is by who... which my belief is in the G-d of the Tanahk... (Bible)
xeilyy 11 months ago
@xeilyy
" well I'm more sure of myself then you are"
Faith, by definition, is holding something to be true with no evidence. That's why it's not called knowledge.
And no, you don't know that it was created somehow. "Created" implies a creator, and there's simply no evidence. I know what else religious faith sells, so there's more in the bargain for you, ain't there?
A timeless universe is much more believable than a timeless creator. After all, we have the universe to observe, don't we?
infideluxe 11 months ago
To; jamiewindsor: Actually, they are reluctant to renounce it, because, despite the "scientific proof" that evolution is fact, they still have an instinct of their being, that there is a god.
To; Shadusha: I actually agree with you, I hate the Quran, and the belief that it's followers possess, namely because: It teaches to hate everyone else :) if this is false, then please clarify. I have seen the fruit of it (suicide bombers, the hollocaust, etc. ETC.)
xeilyy 1 year ago
What science are you talking about? The stuff that you have been brainwashed with in first grade? I'm sorry, there's as much science in evolution, as there is in the earth being flat :). And actually, it's been tested in many different studies, that the earth can't be more than one hundred thousand years old, with life still existing on it... and I don't know if one hundred thousand years is enough for us to go from soup, to where we are now... :/
xeilyy 1 year ago
@xeilyy but... but.... i thought the bible says the earth is only 6,ooo years old... how did you come up with 1oo,ooo?
beenn15 10 months ago
I've never believed in Santa because my parents didn't lie to me as a child. But I believe in God.
canuckaho 1 year ago
Athiems simply means Beleiving there is no gods. wrong and stupid
Vedati88 1 year ago
@Vedati88 Spelling atheism wrong is wrong and stupid.
lucasvandam 1 year ago
@lucasvandam ahhahaha thats weak, makuing a typo and being wrong and stupid are 2 different htings a wouldnt expect you to know.
Vedati88 1 year ago
@Vedati88 Are you making these typos on purpose? or are you just stupid for real? Cus you just made a TON in only 3 sentences. the only one whos weak here is YOU.
lucasvandam 1 year ago
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@lucasvandam heheh Cus. why do you believe that there is no god?
Vedati88 1 year ago
I think the point of the question was to help dispel the myth that the lack of belief in a deity and heaven etc. is depressing or means that life has no meaning. I think that people of faith often are reluctant to accept reasoned and logical arguments for fear that losing their faith will be something that will make them unhappy.
jamiewindsor 1 year ago
@shadushah Also do you know what the fastest growing segment of people are in first world nations? Non-religious. So, you do have people converting who are desperate, starving, and have nothing to live for, the atheist/agnostic/anti-theist (people who hate the idea of gods)/non-religious/secular humanist are chosen by people who actually have time to think, with full enough bellies, warm enough skin, and access to all the information on the internet.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
What is the affect of religion? "To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."-- Thomas Jefferson.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago 14
@shadushah Reguardles of whether you are lying due to ignorance, or lying do to a desire to put forth an agenda, you are still lying.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah 1. I hate that which harms. 2. I absuse no one. 3. Sharia law is filled with medieval thinking and barbaric over punishments for minor infractions. 4. Finkelstein was being untruthful and was therefore lying, granted he might have been as ignorant, closed minded, and gullible as yourself, but he was still factually inaccurate.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Also, your math is off. between the year 2000 and 2011 there have been literally hundreds of attacks by Muslims on either governments, civilians of multiple ethic and religious backgrounds, or other Islamic sects. If you just take the current common year, you have multiple revolutions against Sharia law throughout the Middle East, and they have mostly turned violent due to police brutality.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Yes, I am saying that idiot is lying, and no there are numerous problems in the world. Religious people in general are one of them. The fact that two of the largest nations in the world (US and China) are still primarily using fossil fuels is another. The Genocide in Darfur, which is perpetrated by whom... oh that's right Muslims (granted it's against other Muslims and it's primarily based off of race and politics), but they still use the Quaran as justification.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
I guess that guy's last comment was deleted, so let me sum it up. He was accusing me of being brainwashed into believing that all Muslims are evil, when Islam is a religion of peace. I pointed out to him that 1. Islam is not a religion of peace, and 2. I don't believe that Muslims are evil, only that Shaira law is grotesque and the Islamic religion is silly.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah I would point out recent terrorist attacks, and the savage beating my sister took, and the fact that I have some Muslim friends, except they are not as closed minded as you. I would also add, that I know that a minority of Islamic people are terrorists, but very few publicly denounce as even extreme any acts of Islamic terrorists, the way that Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and the non-religious have for people who belong to their belief umbrella.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah The problem is youthful gullibility leading to close-mindedness. You were told these ridiculous stories when you were young, and you never questioned them, so now you close yourself off to the fact that they have little to no basis in reality. I actually would feel sorry for you, if your mentality were not so pervasive throughout and dangerous to the world.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah (CON'T) who gave me one of his kidneys so that I could lead the life I chose. 10 (I think). I'm pursuing my dream career, one in which I get to do something I love, while being surrounded by interesting attractive people.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah 4. Every day I can make the world slightly better knowing that this is probably the only world we have. 5. I have a beautiful nephew. 6. I'm on happy pills because I had back surgery about a week ago. 7. There are people who agree that skepticism should be applied to everything. 8. I was raised to know, I'm human, and therefore have both good and bad qualities, unlike you who seem to believe that humans are scum until they accept Allah. 9. I have a wonderful father, (CON'T)
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah You don't sound happy. You sound incredibly miserable just wishing that there was a place that was beautiful where you get 72 virgins (which, as a man who has slept with both virgins and women of some experience, virgins are highly over rated), I'm happy for a few reasons. 1. I'm genetically predisposed to be happy. 2. I'm living in an era when someone born with my birth defects can live a relatively normal life. 3. I have an amazing girlfriend....
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Also a book inspired by an omniciant being should not have any verses that do not both sound beautiful in every language, and are 100 % true. All 8 versions of the Quaran I've read in English (and the 2 in Spanish), sounded like poorly written Jr. High poetry, and contained a lot of inaccuracies and some complete lies.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah wait a minute, you can't get regular sexual release, you have to hover over a woman whom you do not view as an equal, and you can't get high. No wonder you want heaven to exist, it has to be better than the living hell you've made for yourself.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah The best laws are ones that protect the rights of individuals. Saying you cannot start jerkin' your gerkin or double click on your mouse does NOT protect anyone's rights. Saying that your wife is physically weaker than yourself, and therefore needs to be protected does an injustice to both women (who can be incredibly strong) and men (who can be incredibly weak). Saying that you must remain completely sober at all times...
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
That's another term I'd like to coin if it hasn't been coined already, "Nutty as a prophet."
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah If you can't find at least two verses that have been 100 percent debunked, then either we're reading two completely different books, or you've never read a geology, anthropology, biology, or secular history text of any sort. Or you're as nutty as a prophet.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Alright, that one, I have not seen before, but I could debunk it in less than 5 minutes. You really know how to pick them don't you.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Ignorance is objective. It simply means you do not know something. We are all ignorant as to the existence of the supernatural (gods, angels, spirits, heaven, hell, etc)because there is no evidence for or against it. I say that it is more likely that it does not exist, because the is always no evidence that something does not exist, and for something that does definitely exist there is always evidence. You are willfully ignorant, meaning you chose not to learn.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah By ass I meant the area between your buttocks. It is an expression meaning that you are willfully ignorant and espouse these inane ramblings that can be debunked with thirty seconds of research.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Also, I take Obama at his word that he is a Christian who was raised as a Secular Humanist (one of the 5 things I don't like about him [the other 4 are that he constantly kowtows to the right, he smokes, he basically disregards half of his ethnicity by calling himself black {His mother is white, and so were the grandparents who raised him}, and he never really sticks up for himself]), he is as Jewish as I am Hindu, he has Jewish friends, and respects some Jews, but he isn't Jewish.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
Did anyone coin the phrase, "searching for god and finding none."?
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah You don't see how truly disgusting it is to beat the shit out of a 13 year old for not dressing correctly? I already told you I am a Freemason who was raised Jewish and came about my atheism by searching for god and finding none there. Also Moses loved worldly desires that's why he told his troops to save all the virgin women and repeatedly rape them. You are an ignoramus, and I hope you take your head our of your ass.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Read a freaking history book, or look at any modern country ruled by Shria Law. There are plenty of "Morality Police," in fact, and I know this is anecdotal, but my family traveled through the middle East when I was young and my sister (wondering off with myself), got the shit beaten out of her by cops for wearing a t-shirt and short while being female. I'm sorry stuff like that does happen, and I cannot respect anyone who apologizes for those actions by saying it's their culture
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah I belong to the Freemasons. It's a freaking social club. They play pool and talk about boring stuff. I am also Jewish (by heritage), and while the mythology is disgusting and violent (trust me, as bad as Muhammad was he was much less of a monster than Moses), Jews don't follow the teachings of said mythologies. There is very little difference in the practices between Muslims and Jews except for the number of times you're supposed to pray, and the importance of spreading the word.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Also the Illuminati were only in existence for a few decades in the mid-18th century CE, so how can they control anything now. and Obama is a good person... a giant pussy, and a rather ineffectual leader, but a good person. You just sound crazy when you link him to Satan, or mention a now fully defunct 18th century social club.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah No, I'm saying the founder of Islam was not a peaceful person, so how can it be a religion of peace when it's originator was filled with hatred and blood-lust.
Also, Hinduism predates Islam by about 5000 years, so if anyone was the original aggressors it was the invaders from the middle East. And by all known accounts the ascension of Confucianism and Taoism as the predominant philosophies of pre-Buddhist China were very un-warlike.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah How does that excuse him from being a war mongering bandit? I know that may sound insulting, but it is a statement of fact.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah ... sexuality.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Wow, that's stretching it. I don't see how you can eat anything when most fish contains mercury, which is poisonous. Most mammal meat and unpasteurized milk contains Escherichia coli, which is highly toxic. Fowl and their eggs contain salmonella, which is also deadly. Many vegetables contain a multitude of microbes, which can cause death.
Studies have shown that people who have regular sexual release are far less likely to be violent, so if Islam wants to promote peace, they'd...
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah You keep saying that Islam is a religion of peace, but I don't see any evidence for that in the Islamic world, nor in the doctrine of jihad, which I know you are going to say is primarily defensive, but that is still not peaceful, nor are most of the actions of Muhamad (remember after he was a camel merchant, he was a bandit and a general who followed every unsuccessful battle with a quick destruction of a Jewish village, to help out moral... plus the Jews did think he was a nutter).
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah You can catch HIV/AIDS from any kind of sex, not just sex for pleasure, and it's preventable if you use a condom and/or are in a completely monogamy sexual relationship with someone who doesn't have it. Swine Flu is transmitted through casual contact, so what you're not allowed to breath near other people in Islam. Your last segment sounds more like the raving of a paranoid schizophrenic than a man of god... granted the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah deserving of being spoken ill of. My parents were fantastic (my dad still is, my mother died of cancer), but my father is still a fat ass, and my mother still had a terrible singing voice. Granted those flaws pale in comparison to the good they have done (professionally, raising myself and my sister, and personally), and to the flaws of other parents who rape, beat, force into an ignorant state, and in other ways abuse their children. Even the best parents are not above criticism.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Okay so we have a test for which we have no prior knowledge, cannot really be studied for, and it's only real requirement seems to be subjugation and honoring something that more likely than not does not exist. Allah sounds more like a dictator than a teacher.
Also the question I posed was personal, I gave you a personal answer. All the things you've mentioned are good in my oppinion Fornication is fun. There probably is no god, and parents aren't perfect, so sometimes they are...
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah What do you count as your worst deed. Mine is that I killed a bunny... granted I didn't mean to, but I did kill that bunny.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah I chose not to look at your links because I recognized them as ones I've tried to watch but couldn't due to those people having a complete lack of understanding of reality. Show me actual evidence for Allah, a footprint, a fosslie, an energy pattern, something that can be observed and measured.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah My will has absolutely nothing to do with what I accept as true. I accept something as true due to evidence not will, not a book, not the idea that this is all a test (Which makes Allah out to be a giant asshole btw), EVIDENCE, when there is enough evidence to prove something to be true I accept it as true. You need faith, I need knowledge. Also that quote has nothing to do with anything, so pigs and monkeys existed before humans (CON'T)
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Which world is more like the one in which we live?
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah In a world in which Islam were absolutely true, there would be no non-Muslims (there would probably however be lapsed Muslims, and people who just want to rebel). There would be just one sect of Islam (not 7 or 8), and people would not need faith to believe in it. In a world in which Islam were absolutely false, there would be many non-Muslims (all people if it were never proposed), there would probably be multiple sects (or none if it were never proposed), and you would need faith.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah (CON'T) (Which contradicts your, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, completely moronic, monkeys coming from humans hypothesis), nor, it seems any book that isn't some form of Islamic apologetics or the Quaran.
I would like to pose a mental game, let's say there are three worlds, one is our own, one is one in which Islam is absolutely true, and the third is one in which Islam were absolutely false.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Neither occurred, and you have less understanding of evolution than you claim that I do of Islam. Humans and monkeys came from a common ancestor. Evolution is more of a tree than a ladder. You are in fact less evolved than a chimpanzee since chimps evolved further after they split from humans than humans did.
You may know Arabic, but you apparently do not know genetic (which proves that all living things are related by some degree), nor the fossil records (CON't)
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah But someone living over 1000 years prior to myself had less, simply because, 1. he was exposed to less, and 2. there was less knowledge to be obtained (how computers or the internal combustion engine work for example). Things need evidence before they can be considered to be true, and apologetics, and anecdotes do not count as evidence, and therefore Allah and the teachings of the Quaran are not true. I'm not saying they are false, but they probably are.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah First, I can prove that that one verse (by mixing salt and fresh water), and the creation myth located within (by showing evidence for Evolution [transitional forms, complex genetics, etc,] and big bang cosmology [the expansion of the universe, background radiation, etc.) to be 100% false.
Second, I never claimed to have all the answers, just more than a 6th or 7th century camel merchant (not an insult, that was Mohammad's vocation). I probably know about 1% of all possible knowledge
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah So you're saying that the Quaran was written by 6th or 7th century CE humans. Wow, sounds like it's full of revealed truth, scientific accuracy, and universal morality.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah No the specific statement I made in my second response to you had nothing to do with miracles and should have been known to be false to the people of the time. If you would like me to repeat it, "Salt water and fresh water cannot mix." Try mixing salt and fresh water and you'll see that the salt water doesn't pass right through, it becomes more and more diluted.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@Jonstern1983 It's basically the same is stating that the Bible cannot be completely true because it says insects have four legs, and rabbits chew their cud.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah And, there is still the petty narcissistic nature of Allah, which hardly seems fitting of the creator and high ruler (provided the character is just and wise), for said character's major form of entertainment to be calling all his angels to say basically, "Look how awesome this thing I've created is, aren't these things called people fantastic? Doesn't that make me the best thing ever?"
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah How can something be true when there are things in it that are demonstrably false? Also, why would obedience be a virtue is we were specifically made (in your opinion) to be able to think for ourselves?
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah (CON'T) yet your religion does have a concept of the character, heaven, and hell. You don't see the disconnect there? If your religion had no deity, and laid out rules without punishment or reward, then that sentence would make perfect sense.
Finally, from what you've said, I'm sorry to say, Allah sounds like a petty braggart... honestly, if I were he I would make a world with super-powers, easily found love, and immortality for all, but then again, I'm really into comics.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Second, if there is an Omniscience there can be no free-will since everything is known, including the future (even if it is by this one being), therefore everything must be predetermined. Granted I accept the fact that our genetics and environment determines everything about our lives, but that's a completely different topic.
Third, your final sentence makes absolutely no sense, you say "...who obey me with freewill without watching hell, heaven, or me," (CON'T)
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah First, What about people who have never read the Quaran (SP?) What about the simple fact that there are things in said book that are demonstrably false (salt water and fresh water cannot mix for example) or are morally abhorrent to non-Muslims such as myself (total subjection of woman for example [and yes, I know that, that is written about in other religious text, considering the only religion I can in any was subscribe to is secular humanism, it would make no difference)
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@shadushah Why would there need to be a test? I'm assuming your view of Allah includes omniscience as one of the traits this being has, so it would stand to reason that it would know beforehand whether or not someone will fail. So, it seems to me to be a pointless test. The only possible explanation I can think of is that this universe is Allah's entertainment, which seems to be beneath a supreme being.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
I lost my faith and then I made up one of my own.
sanleng2 1 year ago
Awesome video :) Could not agree with it any more
Are you a Penn & Teller fan?
Victorgoleche75 1 year ago
1:05: John 18:38
Sirenhound 1 year ago
Shit I accidentally flagged this as inappropriate! The comment and flag buttons are right beside each other on the iPod. Anyway. Good video. I noticed your username and I was just wondering if you had anything to do with the atheist youtuber rkzenrage?
LilDrummerBoy74 1 year ago
there is something sexi about you girl
cmcruz2toyou 1 year ago
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@TheKenny4292
"I will be praying for you."
I will be thinking for you! ; )
infideluxe 1 year ago
Hey I really liked your take. Well thought out, calmly and reasonably delivered. A1.
I always answer that question with a resounding nothing. Atheism describes who we are not, not who we are. So OF COURSE it has nothing to offer. Religious people think atheism is a thing to follow complete with dogma and guidelines. SO WRONG! I mean, what does not believing in bigfoot have to offer? We wouldn't expect the non belief of bigfoot would have anything to offer would we?
2eelShmeal 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 I don't know, but it shows up for me as "This has been flagged as spam." When that happens I don't receive an e-mail notifying me of a response - I happen upon it in my own time. The message to which I'm responded was flagged as spam, so same thing.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
And would whomever keeps flagging TheKenny4292's posts as spam please cut it out?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
Why would I hate Christ? There's a good chance he didn't even exist, but even if it did, he was just a man. I truncated the word "Christianity" to afford myself a few more characters.
Now seriously, are you kidding me?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
"you are absolutely right that Christianity doesn't make any sense at all."
If you're willing to admit this yet still believe that Xtianity deserves a special pass in the reason department, fine–adhere.
But do atheists a favor: keep it to yourself. Write a letter to every Xtian group insinuating itself into American politics, and ask them to stop. Refrain from saying, "God loves you" – a meaningless catchphrase with which you congratulate only yourself. Have a cookie instead.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
"But God is so awesome and powerful. He is so good. God loves me more than I could ever undestand. And he loves you too..."
Statements like these expose your indoctrination. They are mantras you incant to pacify yourself. They assume the existence of an invisible friend—whom you cannot define or prove—as if the work of providing evidence had already been accomplished on your behalf. It has not.
Again, have some personal integrity and think before you chant woo-woo at others.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
"The Bible explains all of the issues you mentioned."
The Bible's "explanations" are insufficient to meet the standards of reason.
"How could a perfect God love someone as sinful as I so much that he paid for my sins?"
"An almighty God should just punish imperfection (or destroy it in the first place)."
No, a perfect, all-knowing god simply would not have created imperfection in the first place. If he created it just so he could punish it, he is malevolent and sick.
infideluxe 1 year ago
i've given up on the church and religion but not God.
aktrejo23 1 year ago
@aktrejo23 How do you define god?
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
Not many atheists are actually 100% sure there is no God. So, whilst truth is important, it does actually come down to an emotional judgement: a preference for enjoying life now, a desire for mental freedom, dislike for a God who demands obedience based on flimsy evidence, etc. So, I think many atheists do actually choose their beliefs based on "what's going to benefit our lives". Attention is directed by emotion. "Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions" as David Hume said.
xntubes 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 The goat comment was joke, meaning prayer is just as ineffective as sacrificing a goat. The ineffectiveness of prayer is has actually been concluded in studies, and by religious people, too.
It's irrational that someone 2000 years ago could make amends for your misdeeds today. It's a horrible basis for morality (think about it), and is just another way the Bible suckers you into the woo of feeling superior, and, worse, magically absolved of wrong-doing. We know better, don't we?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
" I will pray for you."
I appreciate the sentiment. Could you sacrifice a goat while you're at it?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 Exactly. Do you know why? Because they're able to perceive the Bible as any other religious scripture - objectively. Unclouded by delusions of the supernatural and consolation-based wishful thinking, they are able to compare the Bible to the Koran, the New Testament to the Old, and any of these to other mythologies. Most atheist biblical scholars I've heard are extremely well versed in comparative religion.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 Who would want to? :)
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 By the way, I do plan to read the Bible from beginning to end sometime soon. If chance allows, I'll let you know what I thought.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
"You can't speak with my Pastor and tell me that atheists are the only people who've actually studied the Bible."
Putting words in others' mouths seems to be a major pitfall of yours, doesn't it? Did I say that atheists are the *only * people who've studied the Bible, or did I say "Those most familiar with the Bible are actually atheists."?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
"You can't speak with my Pastor and tell me that atheists are the only people who've actually studied the Bible."
Putting words in others' mouths seems to be a major pitfall of yours, doesn't it? Did I say that atheists are the *only * people who've studied the Bible, or did I say "Those most familiar with the Bible are actually atheists."?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 "How can you just say things like that as if you actually know?"
I do really know, because I've spoken with many atheists who are also Bible scholars. Simple as that.
"how many countless men and women have given their lives to the belief and study of this amazing book."
This is a plea that it can not all have been for nought. But the amount of time dedicated to studying a book—the book's popularity—is not proportional to any truth contained therein. Sorry to burst your bubble.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 If the bible is the literal inerrant word then your changing the meaning of those words is blasphemous. 1. He created the light. If he is the light did he create himself after he already existed? 2. He saw the light. Was he looking at himself? 3. He called the light Day. Did he change his name? 4. He separated day from night. If god is day and he's separate from the night is there no god at night time? If you read genesis it's not as you say.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
"you did insinuate that "fabricate" is too big of a word for me"
Because you said I was using big words, and that was the biggest one there.
"you should read the Bible with an open mind for yourself."
Most atheists were once theists precisely because they have read the Bible. Those most familiar with the Bible are actually atheists. I have not read the Bible from cover to cover. I may someday, but you can bet it won't convert me. The passages I have read only confirm my atheism
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 "you've called me a fool for not believing what you say."
Wrong. Your book calls anybody a fool for not believing what it says. Please point out where I called you a fool, or explain why you're trying to put words in my mouth.
"But I'd say that you are the one who has been hoodwinked."
How so? And why should I trust your any further in this discourse if you're going to be as dishonest as you were above?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292
Psalm 14 says, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"
What do you think about scripture that labels anyone a "fool" for doubting its supernatural claims? That same scripture will, of course, present all manner of characters (Paul) vouching for the existence of its main character.
I have no valid reason to believe yours or anyone else's proselytization pertaining to supernatural claims. It seems you've been hoodwinked, most likely since early childhood.
infideluxe 1 year ago
Girl, I don't know how old you are, but you have the wisdom of a sage. You are so right about all of what you have said except for one thing: Theists, especially Abram's Trio. Big G demands its followers to get others into the circle even at the cost of killing those who do not succumb. That is the real problem. Any thoughts about that?
amoralis123 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 Best of luck to you then. Btw I've read the bible. In genesis god creates day and night (day 1) then four days later creates the sun and the moon. How can you have a light without a light source much less a day without a sun to revolve around the earth? I'd never insult you by calling you stupid, that would be rude. What would be the merit in it?
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 " I was just confused about the parentheses."
My comment in parentheses was a carry-over from another video, where you wrote to me "you don't have to use big words in an assanine way."
Please understand that I value being as articulate as I can. I don't think the words I use are really above the level of any high-school freshman. Some words convey better than others.
Your second sentence sounds logically incoherent. Try stating it succinctly for me, please.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 I'm just relating basic high school science if that's so over your head you have to call it rambling then that's on you. I'm trying to answer your question as directly as possible, but if you make it so open that it's unanswerable that's also on you. Be specific and be courteous if that's also beyond you then bow out.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292"Why are you trying to insult me?" I apologize for the parentheses. If the rest of my response feels like an insult, however, your belief system is way too fragile.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@infideluxe " " Those are quotation marks. ( ) These are parentheses.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@MrPlaid81
Yes. Did I err? I was referring to the words in parentheses from my previous comment.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@infideluxe Ah, my mistake.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 Another point, just because you don't know what caused something doesn't mean you ascribe it to "x". Unless you prove "x" caused it you could just as easily cite Vishnu or Amida as much as Jehovah. You haven't proven anything, you've just opened a Pandora's box.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 If you're talking about the big bang then the current science is that the earliest we can go back there was a singularity (which is a something). Before that we do not know which is an honest answer. To say it was nothing is a lie because you don't have any special knowledge that I don't. You can only say you don't know. Unless you specify what nothing you are referring to I can't answer your question.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 And you would like to say that since something cannot come from nothing, then (your particular) god had to have created everything, right? And you would say that this god has "always existed," right?
Saying that the universe has existed makes much more sense, though, and we get to remove supernatural woo from the equation.
Either way, we can still say, "I don't know" and keep searching for answers rather than fabricating (that word too big for you?) them.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@TheKenny4292 Can you be more specific or rephrase the question? Depending on the circumstance nothing by itself is something. An absence of something is something that's why we have to come up with a name to describe it. If you're referring to the Big Bang which came from a Singularity (a something not a nothing) then your question is irrelevant.
MrPlaid81 1 year ago
So why don't you keep your atheism to yourself? It's a fair question, since in this video you pretty much requested believers to "keep their religion to themselves." And I would remind you that, at one time in human history, you might have heard the question "What does knowing that the Sun goes around the Earth have to offer? It just is." Obviously there was something of importance that motivated us to change the paradigm, and you appear to have missed that point entirely.
patrickimo1 1 year ago
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@patrickimo1
I think she means for people not to impose their religious beliefs on others, like certain peope who campaign for creationism to be taught in schools. She's not imposing her atheism on others, she's just talking about it.
jessiessica 1 year ago
WAT DO U MEAN? O_o
renderman86 1 year ago
I "believe" it's better to not know what to "believe" and best to not even care. Only positive form of control that came from the bible is the whole "Do unto others... spiel" but life rarely affords such. Especially when it comes to the heart.
EddyVitkauskasXband 1 year ago
Buddhism states that "Illusion Causes Suffering." Liberation from lying to yourself is "something to offer." Not hitting your head up against a brick wall when Critical Thinking conflicts with whatever Theism you practice is "something to offer." Not ignoring real threats to the species (ala Global Warming) is "something to offer." Accepting reality and recognizing falsity is "something to offer."
MrPlaid81 1 year ago