Gazans urge Hamas and Fatah leaders to talks - 30 Jan 09

[brucegregory]

hamas is like having the devil dealing for you they are terrorist kill their own people why did these people vote a terrorist group to power if these people truly wanted peace they would stop firing rockets at israel the jewish nation has every right to defend itself.the peace came with egypt when they signed a treaty with the jews i know the truth about islam it is a terrible cult that has lead to the destruction of some otherwise decent people one day the world will see the truth about islam

[AmauriConAmor]

Peice of shit USA, since when is it up to them to list whos terrorist or not?! THEY are terrorist too!! In alot of wars they been thur, theyve done some terrorist acts! USA needs to stfu

[lunafringe10]

that place is full of mad men, and the civilians must bleed for their stupidity,

[Avrilmarian]

Unfortunately, because of Hamas, Hizbullah, Iran and others, Israelis voted for security above peace. How sad for Jews and Arabs that we choose extremist warmongers to lead us, and not peaceful and wise leaders, who will give us all better lives. both sides living together in peace, prosperity and forgiveness. Forget all the rhetoric spat from both sides. All people should demand PEACE from our leaders.

[puddinisgood]

thumbs up!

[Prunesqualer]

Israel has worked hard to divide the Palestinians against each other. All too often Fatah and Hamas have played into their hands. Personally I think thats a tragedy. I just hope they can unite now. But Beware, MOSAD and others will continue to stir up division wherever they can. Every moment that Palestinians are divided puts a nail in the coffin of their hopes.

[BboyScarz]

Everybody who thinks Hamas arent terrorists are stupid!

The Hamas have already proven that they are terrorists.

they teach the children with guns and how to kill.

they send rockets on israel.

and when israel fights back the hide like pussys in tunnels and behind their wifes and children!

they are nothin but Brainless stupid Dum TERRORISTS!

[BboyScarz]

This is stupid even if iran will have nukes and nuke israel they will nuke em selves and israel has more then 200 nukes but they aint gonna do with em nothin! only threaten.

[BboyScarz]

From all of the wars israel had with muslims only the muslims are guilty and responsible! if you think muslims are innocent watch all the videos in youtube and its proof! not like videos about israel that almost none of em proves anything!

[beautifulady2003]

For the moron who called me ugly and stupid -

The Jews invaded Gaza on 27 May, 1948. One of the nice things they did was poison a well with typhoid and dysentery to kill Palestinians. I refer you to Israeli historian Ilan Pappe and his book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," page 101. Before you call anyone an idiot, or ugly, know what you're talking about. Name calling isn't necessary. Grow up.

[EmeterioBetances]

Israel was going to exist in Africa or Latin America. We would have pounded the shit out Israel. You little Zionist cocksuckers who are planning to take the land of the people!

[JerrySPsy]

Amid the cries & protests of the 80,000 Jews who lived in the Gaza Strip as they were being evicted and their homes destroyed - so that Israel could turn it over to the Palestinians - there was almost immediate focus on acquiring weapons to destroy Israel. When you choose this over peace and you provoke a giant this is what happens - especially if you then hide behind women and children!

[beautifulady2003]

The 80,000 Jews didn't belong in the Gaza strip to begin with. Jews ethnically cleansed the area of all Arabs and took over the area by force in 1948. I don't blame the Palestinians for wanting to destroy you, and inshallah someday you will be destroyed. Allah will bring Justice on the Zionist entity.

[brokenarrow2222]

Let's cut the crap out. If the Palestinians had an upper hand over the Israelis they would genocide the Israelis. The stronger force will always dominate. Wars will exist forever.

[abbienetvision]

UGLYlady,

You are an idiot. Israel was not in GAZA at all until the defensive war of 1967. Are you really THAT STUPID?

Ugly and stupid...too bad for you and anyone that has to know you!

[myY0UTUBEchanneI]

dont flatter yourself. Israel is not akin to a Giant. It's comparable to an infection that thrives on violence and hatred of human life.

Look into the eyes of this Israilli

/watch?v=GSAvaYY-y7Q

Pure evil

[JerrySPsy]

Get your head out of the sand. Israel has the 5th largest military in the world and compared to the toy rockets that Hamas can't even aim it is a giant. Israel wants peace but it is these Islamic extremists who want to annihilate it. And this is proven by their early attacks on Jewish settlers, starting wars, untold terrorist attacks, etc. Keep it real!

[myY0UTUBEchanneI]

Keeping it real OK BBC Secret History of Zionist Terrorism

/watch?v=jh9ZmNzm1qE

Jewish gangs, terrorist groups,"Stern gang", "Irgun" and "Haganah." blew up a hotel full of British and Palestinian Civilians.

BBC - Israeli attack on the USS Liberty and blamed it on Egypt to get the US into the war.

/watch?v=ZjssoQWiWIo

Who Broke The Cease Fire - Hamas or Israel /watch?v=SILJxPTqjAM

And your at it again with Gaza. CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First /watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

[JerrySPsy]

1)The Jewish gangs & underground were in response to the growing attacks by Arabs.

2) Israeli intelligence learned that Hamas was building a tunnel from which it was kidnap Israelis so the IDF launched a targeted strike to prevent this. Hardly a break of the cease fire!

3) The USS Liberty was mistake on both sides & Israel did not blame it on Egypt.

Any more lies?

[myY0UTUBEchanneI]

1) why kill british civilians then!

2)A cease fire means just that. NO firing of weapons.

3)watch the documentaries and not propaganda.

[myY0UTUBEchanneI]

OMG gogle Israel knew Iraq had no WMD, says MP.

Yossi Sarid MP "It was known in Israel that the story that weapons of mass destruction could be activated in 45 minutes was an old wives' tale,"

"Israel didn't want to spoil President Bush's scenario, and it should have,"

I bet you dont get news like that in israel.

[paradirob]

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to take a vacation to the Middle East in the year 2076? You would be able to enjoy an espresso and sit outside a cafe without worry somebody wearing a vest, full of explosives, would blow you up along with everyone else on that block? Arab nations would be rich, thriving communities. Persia would be Persia and would no longer pose the danger of a nuclear arms race in the region. Just think of the cash flow tourism alone would bring to a peaceful Middle East!

[hicham437]

Most of us tend to forget that Zionists were raised in German schools by Nazi terrorists, they brought that ideology with them. No wonder they are blaming the victim, Hitler was blaming the Jews for the Holocaust as well; Imagine!

[paradirob]

I imagine that Zionism is a way for Jews to protect themselves from hatred that is spread throughout the world over thousands of years. Yes, they will not allow a group of 'wannabees' to form a group dedicated to the age-old habit of hating Jews. The situation on the ground today is: you hate Jews, you fire rockets on Israel, a nation of Jews, what you get in return is a one-way ticket to paradise. You get the dubious distinction of getting to dine at the Almighty's table with the 72 virgins.

[hicham437]

Its very hard to convince the Palestinians to give up their land under the excuse that someone's ancestors lived there 3000 years ago. Sedrot was taken in 1951, its real name is Najaf.

All human rights organizations equal Zionism to racism and Nazism.

Check out Norman Fenkelstien, Self-hating jew.

[beautifulady2003]

I don't think you have any idea of what Zionism is. It has nothing to do with self protection, or even Judaism. Go read something about it, please.

[paradirob]

Sorry I didn't reply sooner since I received your message yesterday. I thought about it and I was going to respond, but waited until today. So, I opened up Google News and read, new today, what it was that I already knew yesterday. Every individual sees the world through their own eyes. I don't even read about the same things my friends read about. By the time it takes me to learn about 'Zionism' the 'disproportionate response' to rockets, promised by Olmert today, will have already happened.

[beautifulady2003]

Learn about it anyway. You're not running for president, you can actually have an opinion of your own. Google "Occupied Minds" and watch the video.

BTW, Zionism is not about protection against hatred. It is a belief that the land of Palestine is supposed to belong to the Jews and that any and all means to obtain this land must be utilized. There is more to it, but that is the simple definition. Stop making excuses and read, open your eyes and stop defending the indefensible.

[paradirob]

I think you feel strongly about your point of view. I believe that Israel and Arab peoples of the area, formerly referred to as 'Palestine,' can learn to work together. I am not saying it will be easy. It would be easier to stay at home (if you live in a place controlled by gangsters) and vote their way, believe their way, and not contradict what they say. I feel sorry for people who are trapped in the middle, because they are powerless to effect any change. Unite and make peace. Forget Zionism.

[oddfielder]

Why don't you get your definition of Zionism from Zionist sources and not what what anti-Israel propaganda feeds you?

[oddfielder]

Zionism is simply the belief in the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish state. It does not imply acquiring any new land, the goal being to be left in peace. The word Zionism has been high-jacked to represent some distorted cartoonish version of the far-right.

[paradirob]

I think I am aware of what the term refers to, regardless of the source. The struggle in the Middle East is a paradox. Israelis apparently have the right to defend themselves, so others come up with crazy ideas about what 'Zionism' means. This then spreads through the population like a pandemic. Individuals planting this memetic virus are probably motivated by fear and hate. Innocents end up paying the ultimate price, and this fact is then plowed back into the terrorist propaganda machinery.

[oddfielder]

paradirob, I just want to clarify - I am not arguing with you. I agree with you.

[paradirob]

OK, understood. I have done my homework and have been following this struggle for over 20 years. I do not trust information taken off of the web. Junk floats in cyberspace, and I don't know what is going on behind the scenes in real space. Who knows? All I can say is that Iran will end up like Gaza if it does not unclench its fist or loosen its turban. Biden has just made an announcement that basically states that nothing is taken off the table when it comes to dealing with Iran. Go figure!

[FundedByTheMob]

dude.. are you for real? i hope you just say thought out of propaganda and trying to spread hate rather than actually believing that.

[ikran2007]

all i asking is for ppl to go to google by typing democracy know and cbs 60 minute the truth in palestine and u see the fact what is happing in the gound in the west bank and we all know for ppl in gaza .the so call 2 state soulation that the west put in front of palestine ppl if their any more land is left in the frist places for the palestine.

[paradirob]

ikran brings up a good point. At one time talks were based upon the motto 'you give me land and I give you peace.' That meant that all of the land that Israel obtained after defeating three nations attacking from every corner would have to be returned. Golan in Syria as well. However, Israel is thin North by South. If a Palestinian state could be formed, then Israelis and Arabs could work together. Both nations would be enriched. Persia would lose influence and would then stop enriching uranium.

[ikran2007]

this why the west,israel,un and the araba regime from saudia arabia, jordan, egypt and others mr.abbas because they know by divieding and working with abbas the isreal will get every it want's and the the palestine would have to get little amount if the isreal would leave any think in the first places.

[badgeless]

Now we're talking. Someone who actually knows what's going on.

People, listen to this person.

[paradirob]

Yes listen to this person if you speak that language. The prospect is that Palestinians (there still ain't no such thing) won't have anything to begin with. But look at the rationale for not granting peace to the Israelis: 'They took our land, they kicked us out, and they treat us like dogs.' That must not sit well with God-is-great thinking. You have to start somewhere. What, do you think the British humanitarian society is going to give you everything that God promised you back to you? Think!

[ikran2007]

the peaces take that abbas is haveing with isreal leaders since 2008 wouldonly remove about 60 thousand sttlers and 230,000 would have remine refuges outside the countrys would have not beable to returen to their homes they where removed from by the isreal gov. all of these and more could be found out in democracy know and in also cbs 60 mintue the truth in palestione.

[alexei3333]

Whats wrong whit you people?!!

Last 50 years muslim kill muslims 11 milion in different wars and violent conflicts, Who was care ?But they already killed thousand Americans and Europenions.

Muslims want destroy West!

[paradirob]

When Hamas announced, today, that they should be the leaders of Palestinians rather than Fatah, they were saying it for Gaza to hear. They are afraid that their own Gaza people, who's heads they are sitting on, will turn against them. When they advertise to the world that Israel did not harm them but harmed women and children instead, they look rather like they are the women and children because they had to hide during the battle. They get their pay check from Iran and seem caught in the middle.

[paradirob]

Hamas will have to become Hamless and become Fatahtized before the Palestinian people will ever have a chance to escape being held hostage by Iran and Syria. They will have to 1) renounce violence and terror, 2) recognize Israel, and 3) stop smuggling weapons and firing rockets. Iran is keeping you guys divided and that's just OK for Israel. You are lost if Persia is your sponsor. Arabia will not come to your aid and you will remain a stillborn cult of the walking dead having no voice or hope.

[badgeless]

Hamas is "Hamless" they don't eat pork

[paradirob]

I wanted to say 'Hamlas' or 'Hamlass' whichever sounded like 'harmless.' The issue which is stopping all progress toward a two state solution is that the leaders of the Gaza Strip sound like the spokespersons for Iranian Mullahs. Iran is hedging its bets that they will have more influence in the region in the long run if Palestine remains stillborn in the short run. They figure they will have nukes by then and that Israel won't bomb them because they have dug themselves into a Persian mountain.

[badgeless]

You're making it way too complicated.

"The issue which is stopping all progress toward a two state solution is"

Israel's refusal pull the settlers out of the West Bank, allow Palestinian refugees the right of return, stop the blockade of Gaza, allow Palestinians to have East Jerusalem as their capital,

or,

even easier:

Israel's refusal to recognize international law.

Simple - done - peace achieved. Everybody go home now. Thanks for coming. Visit soon.

[paradirob]

From that point of view, I guess you would be right if reality were Hobbit Land. The reality on the ground today is 'no more you give us peace we give you land.' It is 'you don't give us peace, we give you pieces.' You want the almighty God-is-great to redeem what you feel is yours, by God's right. Giving back settlements might happen after a two state solution is achieved. I've seen Israel kick its own people out when necessary. It is not as simple as I first stated. But somebody has to blink.

[badgeless]

if you had any fucking idea what you're talking about I'd respond. Considering you're a moron that has no clue... carry on idiot.

[paradirob]

Please let me know where you disagree.

[hicham437]

If Pakistan didn't have nukes, experts say it would have been nuked by India, for sure. the only reason the Indians didn't nuke or attack because they know they can respond. its a smart strategy for creating peace. we either take away the illegal nukes from Israel, and we won't do that, we need to balance the scale to have peace in the region. for us anyone who militarily resist is a terrorist.

Be good pal.

[Darthguy09]

A MASSACRE SO HORRENDOUS

IT IS OBVIOUSLY JUST MORE ATTEMPTS to provoke rash reactions by

Iran, Syria or other countries/groups who defend The Arab R_I_G_H_T_S

And if the provocation doesnt work, THEY ARE GOING TO

FALSE FLAG MASSACRE OUR OWN POPULATIONS AGAIN

LIKE THEY DID "9-11"

ISRAEL is just a tool of US Financial & Political War profiteering

group running affairs from behind the stage & HUMANITY MUST

learn to be VIGILANT against their conspiracies !

~ Copy+Paste if you agree

[raybl]

A MASSACRE SO HORRENDOUS

IT IS OBVIOUSLY JUST MORE ATTEMPTS to provoke rash reactions by Iran, Syria or other countries/groups who defend The Arab R_I_G_H_T_S

And if the provocation doesnt work, THEY ARE GOING TO FALSE FLAG MASSACRE OUR OWN POPULATIONS AGAIN

LIKE THEY DID "9-11"

ISRAEL is just a tool of US Financial & Political War profiteering

group running affairs from behind the stage & HUMANITY MUST

learn to be VIGILANT against their conspiracies !

~ Copy+Paste if you agree

[citizendragon]

Hamas has already proven it is a terrorist organization, so they can fuck off

[IHateReligiousNuts]

No they're not,they're freedom fighters.The only terrorist are Israel.

[borntopaz]

I agree too.

Thegoverment doesn't do shit.

Hamas is the way to go.. They are the one's fighting and actually helping the people out with giving them money, food, and shelter.

Israel get out of Palestine

[fire9720]

what government? oh u mean the terrorists that were elected by "democratic elections in Gaza" what a bad joke

[spitbullit]

yes

it backfired

the people democratic elleted hamas

because they aint terrorist

if it wassent for hamas gaza would be israel terretory now

fuck fatah president put on by israel and america

his president time is finished.. reelect now and youll see hamas will be elected in west bank too

[saadasim]

No, the terrorists that were elected in Israel.

Menachim Begin was a member of Irgun which was a terrorist organization.

[phonixwk79]

hahhahahha sure they stupid they love terrorists

[fire9720]

some stupid ppl like to be used as scapegoats

[AbuUbaydah1]

lol fateh unites with israel

mahmoud abbas, can you say... "im a mossad agent?"

[charlessmyth]

With a bullet for any who disagree, this is consistent with Hamas' propaganda. Hamas is only interested in Hamas, the people are pawns in Hamas' zero-sum-game, and Hamas will say whatever they think will curry foreign favour--especially money. Hamas are elected to authority in Gaza Strip, okay. But that's where its authority stops until others outside of Gaza Strip choose to cooperate, and not that they must because of Hamas' willingness to kill them, as per Hamas' democratic mandate.

[paradirob]

Yes, and Hamas can't dominate others outside its sphere of influence. This is probably the reason Egypt doesn't want to have anything to do with Hamas. It will be hard for Hamas to reach an agreement with Fatah. They will, of course, feel emasculated and impotent as if facing 'sudden death,' but they have to unite with Fatah in order to just survive. This is no longer in the hands of the British overlords or their American allies. The Palestinian people must unite and make peace with Israel.

[hicham437]

Egypt sees Hamas as an extension of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Party, that's why they want them to be exterminated.

[paradirob]

Look. I wouldn't want to see anybody exterminated. All people are just people. They have ideas today that are not conducive to continued health and a longer life. That doesn't mean that, tomorrow, they can't have a change of mind and continue to survive. The only problem is that they worry about what will be thought of them amongst their own. They will try to find a place that will guarantee their continued survival, but they worry most about what their peers are thinking of them.

[hicham437]

I can't agree more, and honestly the blame game, the back and forth accusation didn't work and will never solve any conflict. But we,westerners, think of Palestinians like animals, no dignity, just numbers, Jew haters, terrorists. Whenever/wherever you have occupation you have military resistance, this is Math. 4 millions refugees, we know where they came from, where will they go? the west bank is full of on going settlements. we are after Irak/Iran.., Israel has illegal nukes! Justice for all

[paradirob]

Yes, but nobody wants Iran to have nukes.

[hicham437]

Well, if I am an Iranian and my neibhor has 200illegal nukes, I'll feel insecure and i'll look for sth to defend myself. if nukes are bad they are bad in the hand of everyone; their functions don't change by changing the hand that holds them. We have to stop being hypocrites and start behaving as civilized species, assuming we are.

[paradirob]

Except if Iran has nukes Iran will get nuked, and nobody will want that, either.

[mj4sh]

I want that hamas cup lol

[nomatane]

Free Palestine

חינם פלסטין

Palestina libre

Palestina Libera

Palestina Livre

Freie Palästina

فلسطين حرة

Ελεύθερη Παλαιστίνη

無料パレスチナ

自由巴勒斯坦

[Ennisveb]

Hamas fight as lions against those zionist where was Fatah and Abbas.Abbas coward and traitor of the palestine people shaking the bloody hands of olmert pig.Arrafath will stand up and spitch in his face if he now what i traitor abbas is

[fire9720]

we still don"t have any remedy for stupidity

what can one say

[12TonyT]

But NetanYAHOO the next hitler in chief of Israel has said he will increase settlement building in the West Bank so don't think it will matter if they get together or not. Not that settlement building has stopped under Olmert. Israel now controls 45% of the west bank! Not a good sign for a quick peace deal...

[exptnl]

There is no doubt that Hamas should lead it's people,,,

after all they were the only ones that did fight for there peoples freedom.

[ODK1413]

bahasa jawi satu bahasa satu nusantara

hidup islam palestin

hidup melayu patani

hidup melayu sulu

takbir

[emoshka123]

hey good

[oceanbound222]

Hamas  !!!!!!!!

Fuck Fatah - puppets of Izrael and US

[badgeless]

Fatah likes to roll over for the Zionsts.

[TylerNull]

"...elected leaders..."

Yeah, Hamas was elected, only after they assassinated their opposition immediately prior to the election.

The filth of Islamic fascism is just a 1,400 yr old bad joke against mankind; an endlessly warring plague. The ONLY way to peace is victory over them to liberate the holy lands of other they occupy, from Libya to Constantinople.

[suspendedb4]

man how i hate people like u radical christioans and jews go fuck ur selfs we wont stop until we conquer rome washington tel aviv

[TylerNull]

I know you fascists won't stop. That's my point.

As for "radical", observing the historical record and lessons thereof isn't radical. What civilized man needs to relearn -- quickly -- is that peace is just an unavoidable result of victory. Appeasing fascists never works, be it the socialist or the Islamist sorts.

[suspendedb4]

like it or not we wont stop until we turn every humanbeing into islam submit or die

[badgeless]

you're not Muslim. You are an asshole shit disturber.

[suspendedb4]

lol u wish

[badgeless]

you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're a redneck, racist, homophobe, bloodthirsty bigot who likes to wallow in your own ignorance.

good luck with that.