Rivkin: Bush Admin. War Conduct Has Been "Exemplary"

[growknow]

It's been kind of sad to see Mr. Rivkin appear at various Senate Judiciary Committee hearings. He is so clearly a paid hack when it comes to the torture issue. He goes to great lengths to defend the Bush administration's prosecution of torture.

[dieyoubastards]

Rivkin is consistent in thwarting the rule of law,distorting the truth and promoting the harshest techniques of the worst despots in history.War criminal scum.

If only there was a god,or karma to take care of scumbags like this.

THEY know there isn't,that's why they do it.

[cruiserweight77]

wtf

[GretchenDawntreader]

only a heartless bastard starts making excuses using expressions like "harsh treatment per thousand combatants detained."

That's just...creepy.

[TedinLasVegas]

No, that's a realist. Atrocities in war always occur, that's why the international legal standard is whether the commander ordered it or knew about it and did nothing - not whether it happened at all.

Our troops did do some bad things on the ground in Iraq, but compared to what our troops did against WWII POWs, in the field, our troops did a lot less. By comparison, what our troops did in WWII is far less than the enemy did in Iraq.

His was an intelligent defense of our troops; catch it?

[chick7489]

I really liked how clear the picture is on your video. Did you use a regular digital camera or did you use something more high tech? Lol, my videos never turn out that claer.

[fghnpoma]

fpm229 Dude you dont know shit.Chinas got too much money they dont need any bail out so you can lie to someone eles you dumb ass.Just to blind to see how f***** up Obama is its ok your not alone.LMFAO funny little liberals

[Lightchannel]

Bush a criminal , NO two different in this

[Lightchannel]

Bush should be tried for war crimes, NOT ONLY SADAM, OK, All world know this, BUT i dont know way the world to give freedom to BUSH? !!!!!! BUSH = MILOSEVIC

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Say hello to Osama for us. Tell him that he better not come out of his hole....ever.

[Lightchannel]

aha, you Mean of Bush's friend,oooh iam sorry , you seem dont know , open your eyes well, he is a trick of Bush for the Afghanistan war, and drinking oil. u know now!!!?

[Lightchannel]

Nakedl: u.s , knew about nuclear in Iran, and does not know where is bin Laden, than 8 years ago , it is Funny lol

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

We know where he is...we just don't want to start a civil war in Pakistan to Kill him. He may even be dead already...he hasn't put out a video in 3 yrs I think. He'll make a mistake one day if he's still breathing and we'll fix all his problems for him.

[Lightchannel]

How he is came to Pakistan & Americans did not see him ? he his magic wand ?!!! hahahaha we are not stupid ,Bush went to hell,END...... now Obama time,"We wants to change".....! well , our see.

[Lightchannel]

ooh Loss of money in America for what? Becuse of Bush and his crazy war . I want to know if Americans are Agree with you( NakedLMF)? i wish NO !!!

[dmac6722]

It is time to hold those who have subverted their office by breaking the vow to support and defend the constitution responsible for their actions. If this is not done, we will continue along this path and become just another despotic regime with no regard for humanity.

[dmac6722]

"examplary"? My god how can he say this. We invade 2 sovereign countries. Killed over 1 1/3 million civilians at a cost of 4500 American lives. Using false intelligence drafted to mislead this country into an unconstitutional war. Spending over 6 trillion dollars to the detriment of our civil rights, and national economy. We now endorse the use of torture? What does it take to get a fair hearing on these issues? I demand that this government take action on this.

[waltereg0]

1 1/3 million is an exaggeration. The best estimate for Iraqi deaths are 100 to 200 thousand, the vast majority of which were not killed by the US, but by arab-vs-arab violence. Of those 1000s killed by the US, many were combatants. The intelligence was wrong but it was a matter of incompetence & a failure of objectivity, not intentional lying, and the war was constituional since congress gave its blessing. The US hasn't endorsed torture except waterboarding, used only 3 times & now banned.

[dmac6722]

I got this figure from Informationclearing house. I believe it reflects both military invasions and the toll attributed the embargo imposed. Your number reflects the official line. Neither of us know the complete truth. No it was not a case of misinterpretation of intelligence. Bush had every intention of going into this war prior to assuming office. The

Downing Street memo clearly shows that Intell was "fixed around the policy", The CIA admits destroying evidence of other torture.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Don't look now, but you are insane...no question about it.

[duhCider]

Insufficient body armour, insufficient vehicle armour, Walter Reed facility a pig-sty, thousands of homeless veterans in the streets, no cameras at Dover AFB for the deceaseds' homecoming, millions of Iraqis now refugees, hundreds of thousands Iraqi dead, oil going to 147/barrel, mission accomplished?, no WMD found ............

Exemplary? This man is either ill-informed, delusional, a grinning lackey or a total moron.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Where are the "thousands of homeless veterans in the streets"? Obama now sez there can be cameras but only with the families consent...which they won't get very often I'm sure. hundreds of thousands Iraqi dead...Where? We didn't kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. That'a far far left lie! 147 a barrel for oil isn't Bushes fault...blame the Dictators in the Middle east...and the body armor and plating issues aren't planned for by Presidents...that high ranking military planners fault.

[duhCider]

1. Visit some websites relating to the plight of the homeless vets completely ignored by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld.

2. We're not talking Obama here, we're citing Bush policy.

3. Hundreds of thousands Iraqi dead is a correct ballpark estimate, you're in denial.

4. 147/barrel IS Bush's fault. To say anything less is a lie.

5. The commander-in-chief is THE MAN MOST RESPONSIBLE for the military, in peace or at war. The buck stops there.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

1 I am a vet and I don't know what homeless vets youre talking about. I'm sure there are some due to their own personal problems and there are many opportunitites for them to get well and places for them to stay...we have gov programs galore. Look the press took sides and hung all kinds of accusations on Bush...like a run down building at Walter Reed for instance..and homeless vets. Do you really think that there weren't homeless vets during Clinton's terms? Where was ur condemnation then?

[dmac6722]

I have gone down the line reading your comments and don't know if you are for real or not. This is not politcal rhetoric. Both republicans and democrates are part and parcell the same group. Time to take your blinders off buddy. We are furiously heading into a facist police state. Rockerfeller Rothchild and other international banksters just love it when they get the sheep ranting about the illusions on the wall.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

2...we're talking Presidential responsibility...you just can't stand the heat when I turn your lack of perception around on you.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

3...I'm NOT in denial...American troops have not killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis...Yeah, ballpark estimates made by bleary eyed far left lunatics. I hear thise from your side claiming we carpet bombed citys...sickening allegations. Rediculous and un American!

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

5...Im a Nam vet/ 2 tours and we had jeeps back then...no armor. Same in WW2...jeeps with no armor. Clinton sent American forces out in Humvees that weren't armored. Same standard Mr lefty...let's start complaining about JFK, LBJ, and Bill Clinton...where was your indignation then? Where was your indignation when your lefty brothers spit on returning Nam vets? There wasn't any because you were mouth shut...because you see all Rs as bad and all Ds as good...no matter what.....disgusting!

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Almost forgot 4...since when did Bush become a Middle Eastern dictator. They're the ones that run the oil cartel. Saying Bush pushed oil to 147 is insane...tell me how that happened? I guess he started planning that as soon as he blew up the WTC right? Get in the game brother...go see in professional about this Bush hate problem you have. The press and the left demagogued Bush mercilessly and unfairly to a great extent. I'm nort claiming he was a great Pres...but he's not as bad as u insist.

[duhCider]

First, if you are a vet as you say, THANK YOU!!!!!!!

Second, the right treats the military like its personal police force while the left shouts for peace, diplomacy and better services for the troops.

Third, American oil companies control our government and most of the middle east. They are far richer and more powerful than any of those puppet regimes.

Fourth, I don't hate Bush, I pity him. He ran from Guard duty then lied to send our sons and daughters to his cronies' oil war.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

I am a combat veteran so you're welcome. The American oil companies do not control the oil in the Middle East....they did once, that is true...but no more. Nor do they control our government...left wing craziness. Bush did not lie to the American people per the 9/11 Commission...that also found that there was a connection between AQ and Saddam, but no "proof "of operational cooperation. You're going to believe what you want to believe no matter what the truth is. Shame on you for that!

[duhCider]

The shame is Bush's and Rivkin's for deceiving you.

[dmac6722]

You better start getting a clue. Yes, there are thousands of vets on the street. Kissinger equates them to dumb animals ie cannon fodder. There is going to be many more. Latest new VA is shredding claims. Wait untill we start seeing the effects of the depleted uranium. Then the true horror will become apparent. Maybe even to you.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

depleted uranium is not radioactive...it's is sans nucleotides...sorry for the big word...look it up.

[dmac6722]

To a neuclear biologist, this might have some meaning. Hate to ruin your day, but if you are truely interested in the effects of depleted uranium, try googleing that.

[patsagainstrats]

In other words, assholes, file charges w/the Justice Dept. if you uncover any REAL evidence(which you haven't and won't), you unpatrotic, terrorist sympathizers. LOL!

[charlie44444]

What a great final comment to this video!!

[skyller2s]

politically owned

[stealth63]

Good old "never admit you are wrong".Gee, I really miss BushCo and his secrecy and misinformation campaigns. I say the more comissions the better. Whats wrong with some honest accounting for the last 8 years? Were the repubs this reluctant to appoint Ken Star? What comes around goes around.

[MeLikeGoFast]

Get over it.

I understand youre butt hurt and hate George Bush, but quit being a child.

LOL

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Do you really believe that you'll get an honest accounting of anything Republican from Harry Reid and Nancy Pilosi? They spent the last 8 yrs smearing every conservative they could with both hands. The smear campaigns and political hatred are what's wrong with this country...and that comes from both sides and it is nauseating.

[zapponsalvia]

NakedLadyMudFlap: Less typing for you, and more thinking!!!

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Less opinion and more thinking would help you.

[zapponsalvia]

fail

[dmac6722]

There are very few conservatives in congress these days. A true conservative advocates small government and following the edicts of the Constitution. The "neocons" you support have no regard for either.

[rakrobn]

Well said dmac6722, these neo-conservatives that in actually advocate bigger govt. and more importantly trampling our Constitution are the true enemies of this country. Smaller govt. means smaller govt. for ALL issues, not on all issues except taxpayer funded subsidies for oil and corporate agriculture.

[fghnpoma]

I think they need to investigate Obama for all my kids money hes stealing to spend on what ever the hell he wants to now he wants more what the fuck for.Obama is destroying the global economie China is already getting pist off with him and that damn sure isnt good.He has committed a terrorist act does anybody see this or do they still see Will Smith.

[fpm229]

fghnpoma: Actually China is currently working on a bailout package similar to Obamas.

[anarchyclayman]

left versus right.

who gives a fuck.

war crimes are war crimes.

hang the fucker.

[MeLikeGoFast]

My relatives in Iraq feel differently.

The world exist beyone your forearm.

[VerbotenDingleberry]

Those "crimes" will pale in comparison to the ones committed in WWIII. Putin knows what kind of man we have in the White House and no KGB worth his salt would let this opportunity slip through their fingers.

Eastern Europe is screwed. Again.

But, only time will tell for sure...

[TheIllegit]

Haha.. Rivkin is a straight up G. Don't take no shit.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Other generations have done worse...The Liberal Hero FDR put more than 100,000 totally innocent Japanese American citizens into prison camps and shot anybody that tried to escape. FDR also carpet bombed civilians all over the place. The fire bombing of Dresden Germany incinerated an estimated 100,000 Germans...most were civilians. FDR also ordered the building of thermo nuclear devices and Truman used them..the total civilain deaths for the 2 bombs was prolly in the 200 to 250k range.

[qwertyman233]

it was war world 2 get over it.

[lamouchemorte]

That was amazing!!!

[buddyluh]

Terrorists are not war combatants, they are terrorists, you can't compare the war on terror to other wars.

As a result, the Geneva Conventions don't apply to terrorists, they have no rights.

[lamouchemorte]

wow, you sure bought it. Chapeau to the Bush admin for their number on you.

[awerner2007]

When experiencing cognitive dissonance, "One may try to acquire new information or beliefs that will increase the existing consonance and thus cause the total dissonance to be reduced." Leon Festinger

[buddyluh]

Tell that to the fucking terrorists

[gahonyeb]

Go back to your trailer park you dumb fuck.

[buddyluh]

Go fuck a terrorist up the ass you fucking piece of shit

[awerner2007]

If they are listening, I won't forget to mention it.

[waltereg0]

Not exactly. The Geneva Conventions were very specific. They protected civilian noncombatants, people not involved in the fighting, which is common decency. Secondly they protected combatants (soldiers, guerillas, anyone involved in the fighting & thereby not a civilian) provided that those combatants follow a few basic rules, the main being to carry arms openly, to not pretend to be a civilian. By definition terrorists such as those with AQ violate that & are excluded as unlawful combatants.

[NATEandtheMONKEY]

thats what you call getting verbally bitch slapped. seweet

[carrierexchange]

Just like Katrina! Exemplary!

[CapitalistHolocaust]

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Check out my video:

Bush 'Loyalist' Oversaw Iraq Deaths Survey

The guy originally sent to oversee the Iraqi healthcare system; Frederick M Burkle Jr. was sacked, because (as senior USAID officials told him) the White House wanted a 'loyalist' on the job.

The Iraqi Ministry of Health was trying to keep an accurate account on the death tolls using morgue records, but were pressured to stop by the U.S. puppet government in Iraq.

[marniespeaks]

More Rivkin - You Tube Search -

Glenn Greenwald on CSPAN: FISA

[kittystrokem]

BURN!

[playfyte]

The point is a simple one from a citizen's point of view. Bush swore to protect, preserve and defend our constitution. What he did was quite the contrary. He sought to weaken and undermine it's significance and power and therefore it's authority over him while he was president. This was such an egregious attack on the rule of law in this country that it's only right to prosecute. I can't justify any american regardless of political party overlooking these issues. No one is above the law.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Trying Bush for water boarding 3 mass murderers to protect the country is insane. Your hatred of Bush has clouded your judgement to the point where you would ruin his life for doing what any wise person would have done in the same circumstance...yes, I would have water boarded 3 top terrorists if I though it would save thousands of lives or maybe even 10s of thousands...in an instant. I don't owe humane treatment to maniacs that murdered 3,000 Americans. If you dont get that then shame on you.

[flang]

It doesn't matter who he water boarded, because water boarding is torture. Torture is a crime committed by war criminals, and war criminals should be tried and convicted for their actions.

I suppose you believe his warrantless wiretapping kept us safe as well.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

US Drones have attacked targets inside Pakistan several times since Obama has been President and locals say that civilians were killed...that's US military violating a countries borders that is not at war with us...by your definition this is a war crime...care to try Obama. Did you know that there were zero warrantless wire tapes of US citizens during the Bush Admin? The Dems cynically demagoged that issue and you bought it...it never happened per the NSC and is a non issue now.

[flang]

You realize that Pakistan is Afghanistan except with a line between it drawn by the British?

When the NSA's warrantless wiretapping program was even thought about being used, that was taking away individual's rights.

Maybe you should read up on the Wiretap Act.

I suppose you think Bush is a great president, that's the job of a revisionist.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Thinking about something is not a criminal act and thinking about something takes away nothing....the revision is yours...you are the one finding guilt in things that didn't even occur. FWIW, rendition was used during the Clinton Admin...care to try him for war crimes? I doubt it. How about trying Obama ofr the attacks in Pakistan? No? But let's convict Bush for "thinking" about something...Bush did keep us for being attacked for almost 8 yrs..how about giving him credit for that?

[playfyte]

NakedLady you totally missed the point of what I was saying. But first let's see how patriotic you really are. If Bush would ask you to give up your first amendment rights and then your fourth amendment rights, would you? If he said that in the interest of national security "We need to lock up your mom and dad for an undetermined amount of time." And then refused to say what it was they were actually accused of,would you be okay with that. I am a republican too. But I am an american first.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

It's a false premise because it didn't happen. Bush didn't take away anyone's rights...it didn't happen. American citizens were not wire-tapped without warrants...and very seldom with warrants. That's why ypu're no longer hearing about that as an issue. So what rights are you talking about bush taking away?

[dylbro]

If you close your eyes and cover your ears all the bad things will go away....

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

I wish that made sense...but it doesn't.

[playfyte]

Please, stop drinking the koolaide. It is not a false premise. The reason we no longer hear about it is because Bush is out of office. Remember the old lesson about people who said nothing? First they came for the insane but I wasn't insane so I didn't say anything. Then they came for the gypsies but I wasn't a gypsy so I didn't say anything.... and so on. Then they came for me and there wasn't anyone left to say anything. The point is that under NO circumstance should we give up our values.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

I'm not drinking "all" of the leftwing coolaide is the problem that you have with me. Hold Bush to the same standards that you would hold your own people to. This is not team D vs team R...Bush waterboarded 3 horrible people for YOUR protection. The World has changed and these people have the ability to harm and kill great numbers of your brothers and sisters and maybe even you personally.Did you know that the US Gov has clips of AQ resting chemweps? They do...made before 9/11.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

testing I mean

[Chewy240284]

.....touche....

[Mychaels]

Man I would love to smack that smirk off his face.Not to many people have the balls to stand up for bush..

[justcallmebaby]

You always know when you're hearing from a Bush administration incompetent. They all manage to work in that most flaccid of phrases: "Mistakes were made." As if shredding the Constitution was carried out by faeries. LOL.

I loved Rivkin's face at the end. D'oh!

[mos277]

that douche bag needs to be put behind bars

[pwnstoohard]

why what'd he do ?

[zapponsalvia]

"compared to the historic baseline of past wars" ?? So he's saying compared to Napoleon and Hitler, it was great. Well bra-fucking-vo. Thank you Republicans for your wonderful, wonderful war.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

The wars overseen by Democrats were much much worse by comparison...WW2 and Viet Nam for instance....muuuuuch worse!

[2008goo]

The ultimate foundation for the dumbing-down of political discourse is the idea that all issues and events, both past and present, can only be discussed in terms of which team one is on. Democrat. Republican. Who gives a damn?

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

I agree completely. Everyone wants to place the guys on the other side in neat little boxes and then use every means possible to trash them completely. I am a conservative, for instance, so the way that they would like to tag me is as a greedy, racist and utterly despicable human being...when the truth is that I support affirmative action and do sweat equity work for Habitat for Humanity building homes for poor people. People can't be classified so easily. Political parties should be banned IMO.

[flang]

Individuals are defined by those who call themselves the same name.

[rortiz266]

Rivkin, got owned by Whitehouse. He really said that the bush adm performed "exemplaraly" WTF?????

[milkgodnl]

.. woah! .. Senator Whitehouse from Rhode Island starting at 1:20

[VinceOmega]

Mr. Whitehouse. That's the best name I've ever seen.

[Richardgwm]

George Bush is a confessed war criminal. George Bush has publicly admitted ordering the torture of a prisoner of war. Torture is a war crime. George Bush must be tried and executed.

[awerner2007]

As much as I hate too I have too agree, if international law has any legitamacy it must be excecuted.

[cdnwithaconscience]

OWNAGE!

[musicthor]

Do you have nothing better to do than to troll on YouTube?

[InTylerWeTrust84]

Senator Whithouse is my newest hero. That shit was awesome. David Ravkin looks fucking odd. He looks like he worked with J. Eger Hoover or built cases against Al Capone during prohibition. I love that look on his face at the end when he knew he didnt have shit to say back to Senator Whitehouse, it was like Ill just shut up now before I really get dragged through the mud.

[TedinLasVegas]

Ravkin's just so surprised that someone can become a Senator and be so clueless.

Waterboarding = Small pox infested blankets???

I don't think so.

[TedinLasVegas]

Of course, that moron Dem Whitehouse from Rhode Island is sure quick to throw we current generation of soldiers under the bus.

HYPOCRITE! MORON!

Exactly why you can count on the military vote 70-80% Republican every time. Libs hate us.

[burntonion05]

Because they are trained to think like a team and if the leaders of that team are Republican than you can bet not many will dare admitting they are not. Anyway those numbers are changing.

[Travisty1986]

You vote 70-80% Republican because you are trained not to question your superiors, which is exactly what Repbulicans want of their constituents. Hypocrite.

[TedinLasVegas]

That's moronic.

No, we vote Republican because we know who appreciates and who doesn't.

Morons like Whitehouse and Obama don't really appreciate us and we know it because they show it with stupid statements like that found herein.

[flang]

He isn't throwing anybody under the bus. It's a fact that we water boarded detainees, it is indisputable. Waterboarding IS torture. The Japanese waterboarded American POWs during WW2 and after the war, we found them guilty of being war criminals and had them hung. Hmmmm, it is now ok for us to do it?

Open your fucking eyes and realize that America isn't as great as you think it is.

[TedinLasVegas]

You're joking, right? Hung Japanese for waterboarding? Sources?

Japenese doctors in Manchuria were pulling people's organs out of there bodies and dropping them in acid, while alive, and we HIRED them.

We tortured captured Japenese far worse than waterboarding, in WWII, too.

Have you no clue about history? Wait, you're a lib; of course not.

[UTBESUX]

TedinLasVegas an IDIOT like you who is a Rush Limbaugh moronic follower who needs Fox news to get his thinking and believes George Bush cared says a lot. Bush is and always will be a traitor FACT. Left many to DIE after Katrina hit, FACT, yes he cares moron. Caused MILLIONS of deaths due to a war for oil. Bankrupted America. And a fucking idiot like you has the nerve to attack others? You truly are a fucking idiot. Please die.

[TedinLasVegas]

You are delusional.

Millions dead? HAH!

Katrina? HAH!  (Gov Blanco had the authority to do something and didn't; the Pres had no authority to do anything the first few days and didn't.)

I don't get my news from Fox, I usually watch NBC - I just think for myself.

[flang]

What would the governor do? Send in the National Guard?

Bush had a delayed reaction when sending in FEMA, who then continually fucked the citizens of NO over and over. Bush appointed a failure as the head of FEMA, therefore it was his failure.

There have been 2.2 million injured or wounded in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Guess that's not a lot to a person like you who only cares about themselves.

[TedinLasVegas]

OK, 2 separate Katrina issues.

1) Until the gov. declares a state of emergency, FEMA can't go in and ONLY she had command of the National Guard. That's what the National Guard are for and why they share 2 chains of command, State and Federal.

2) As for what FEMA did AFTER they were authorized....

You may have a point; poorly run with horrible results.

[NotBornEveryMinute]

Gov. Blanco declared a state of emergency more than 2 days before Katrina made landfall. She asked Dubya for "everything you have" the day before Katrina's landfall! "Brownie" and the Dubya admin lied about it, repeatedly. These are matters of fact, and may be checked, however, the official documents have been removed from Louisiana's site by the current Repugicans, so you'll have to do a little research to find references to them.

[Plutonwolf]

That's the way they roll yo! Jack dat troof bitch up and slap dat ho with they pimp hand.

You have to admit, the repugnicants do act like pimps.

[cdnwithaconscience]

Have you ever noticed that there are NO funny conservatives? It's like they don't understand jokes...

[TedinLasVegas]

Have you ever noticed there are no wise liberals? It's like they never learn about reality...

[stargirlsusan]

ye i've notice that, too

that's why they get most of the youth vote

[awerner2007]

Ever noticed something bout motha-fucking trolls? They butcher the lanuage. Learn grammar. You can start by googling "ellipsis." Then learn how to argue. Ted is troll too. But, you can claim to be a liberal so I expect better from you.

[cdnwithaconscience]

I don't think you understood the video.

[pokerslut530]

fucking owned.

[CD26Genesis]

Gee. One of our Senators (the esteemed 100!) resorting to a trite phrase about throwing so-and-so under a bus. I'm surprised he didn't suggest that something had jumped the shark, too. What a freakin' genious is that representative from Rhode Island.

[TheDuckofLaw]

genius... that is all..

[bernlin2000]

Excellent response at the end of that video: Rivkin doesn't know a damn thing about our government's war conduct over the past 6-7 years.

[matman125]

5 stars

[waltereg0]

It's true though, compared to past wars, the US forces have behaved in an exemplary fashion, and given the enemy far more humane treatment overall than happened in previous conflicts. The abuses at Abu Graib & Bagram were so few in number, and really only occurred in late 2003 to early 04. Some incidents that were hyped by the intl. press as atrocities were later revealed to be lawful combatwhich hurt civilians merely by accident (for example the Haditha incident).

[playfyte]

You are seriously mistaken. The problem is that the way it is being reported has changed. During the 1970s it wasn't unusual to see the effects of napalm bombs on the evening news. Men women and children running from their villages with second and third degree burns on their bodies. They don't show that anymore. What you see is a line of trucks rolling down the road followed by a group of soldiers raiding a house. "And now to the economy." Highly sanitized reporting. Not too upsetting to us.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Is this the values that you were talking about...napalm and agent orange. Mybe the values of FDR imprisoning 100k japanese american citizens and shooting those that tried to escape...innocent americans too. FDR fire bombed Dresden Germany and killed an estimated 100k civilians. Abe Lincoln sent Sherman out to destroy 2 states..in what could best be described as an uncintrolled murderous rampage. Bush got 3 mass murderers wet and scared Hell out of them...to protect YOU and ME!

[playfyte]

War is hell isn't it? I speak from personal knowledge of what it is like to go there and to come back to total indiference. The napalm reference was in response to someone else. I was trying to point out the difference of reporting between now and then. It is much more sanitized now.

[NakedLadyMudFlap]

Yes it is...vet myself. I'm often amazed by how little the American public actually gets...but if you've been there, then you know that you can't explain it..just the way it is. I don't know if the reporting is more sanitized or if the level of combat is less and different. Viet Nam was far more agressive on a larger scale than Iraq is...Iraq is a series of fire fights mostly. Nam had theatre elements at times involving large numbers acting in a co-ordinated manner..Nam was us vs the USSR really

[waltereg0]

Keep things in perspective, Sherman"s march to the sea was a bold maneuver, not a "uncontrolled murderous rampage". Sherman did what was necessary to break the confederates' will & stop the slaughter of the war. Destruction of property was limited to resources which supported the CSA insurrection, and shattered CSA morale, causing desertions. Lincoln saved the USA, FDR helped save the world from fascist domination. The destruction was far greater than the last 8 years but it was just as necessar

[waltereg0]

playfte, the reason we don't see that as much anymore is because instead of bombing an entire valley or city, we see far more precision guided weapons used, which do cause collateral civilian deaths, but in vastly lower numbers. Instead of an entire city or village being bombed or chelled for days, just a building is hit by a missile or two, and the civilians that die are in just that building and/or the ones right next to it.

[onlywinter]

Destroy the Bushes!

[facelesshorseman]

Anyone ever notice how Fascists are most often pale little chicken farmers, instead of the mighty warriors they paint themselves as?

"Mistakes vere made! Ve vere following orders!

I know nothink NOTHINK!"

[AlienTruth]

lol audio @ 1:35

[go4011s]

shot in the face. awesome.

[tetropods]

owned

[laughinacorner]

wow, owned.

[AlienTruth]

daaamn

[BrightLighter]

Sometimes I wish seespan had commentators like ESPN. "AND BAM! SHELDON WHITE-IN-DA-HOUSE WITH THE FACIAL. NOT IN OUR HOUSE- SAYS HE!"

[FairelyGushing]

Lol.

Unfortunately, heavy action sequences like this one occur far too infrequentlly. I'm sure C-Span will be covering this event on tomorrow morning's "Washington Journal." The comments here are funny, but I can't wait to hear what callers on the Republican line will be saying in the call-in segment.

Besides the review of newspaper headlines and editorials, the guest interviews and rountable discussions, the call-in segments are my favorite part of the show!

[Pleblian]

Laughable, asking a former Reagan official to tally 'war misconduct' is like asking Bill Gates if Microsoft manipulated the software industry to create a monopoly.

Google: Iran contra or Oliver North

[oldtownkid]

what a circus this Bush folks are

[keithwhitmer]

Exemplary!... except for those misdeeds, bad things... and uh... mistakes....

Weasel.

[entropyfu]

can you say complicit in war crimes?

[DavesMx6]

pwned !!!!!! LOL

[GeoliphicMedia]

you say mistakes and I say crimes ... so lets call the whole thing off? tomato tomAto, gitmo potato

[nt0xik8ed]

i bet he called his mother afterwards, lol

[voyeurdug]

After Whitehouse (good name, by the way), bitch-slaps him, he just smirks. That's what weasels do.

[timer999o]

BITCH SLAPPED LOL

[bodah44]

elbow from the sky! PWNED BIATCH!

[ArkeAngelRevonulet]

DAAAAAAMMMMMNNNNNN!! LOL!! he got pwnd!! LOL!!

[volumedealer1]

When a guy with a slite lisp can level you with what he has to say, you know you're done!

[AstoundedAtheist]

Smack down!

[GBTRU]

I have to know something, this is the smartest, and brightest people getting these high level jobs? Because this man is a complete idiot ti believe any of the sht he just said. It amazes me that all these assholes sit in a room, and make policies, and war plans that ruin millions, of peoples lives.

[chumashfalcon]

Rivkin is a sick fuck, warmonger, scaremonger, and Im pretty sure he is a Fascist. Just look at how he dresses and acts, looks like self styled goose stepper to me.

[kcp12304]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[FoShizzle951]

Wow. That was a bitch slap from the sky!!!

LMAO!!!

[SubmarinerAndroid]

PWNED

[MikeRocks25]

Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge.

I'm about to lose my head.

It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder why I keep from going under.

[PersonalJesus348]

ha haha ha

[Francebrasil]

Please understand. This chicken hawk is applying for a job at Fox News. He´s got a good chance...